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07:11 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:07 <@Evilpig> the second I went to bed last night...  pizza thief.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5qwgl7d4a3rpvk/2014-12-30%2001.22.45.jpg?dl=0
08:08 < Synx|hm> ha nice
08:08 < Synx|hm> my cat wont he human food with the exception of jerky and goldfish
08:08 < Synx|hm> goldfish is like her kitty crack
08:09 <@Evilpig> that bitch snatched teh crust the second I rolled over
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08:33 <@opticron> Evilpig, where did you get that killer deal on soda you mentioned yesterday?
08:37 <@Evilpig> shoprite
08:38 <@Evilpig> http://plan.shoprite.com/Circular/ShopRite-of-North-Brunswick/D019773/Weekly/2
08:38 <@Evilpig> second page of that ad
08:39 <@Evilpig> 144-oz. tot. wt. cans (Plus Dep. or Fee Where Req.) Seagram’s, Minute Maid, Sprite, Barq’s, Fuze, Mello Yello, Fanta, Dr Pepper or Any Variety Limit 4 Offers MUST BUY 5 Additional or lesser quantities will scan at 4.85 ea.
08:39 <@Evilpig> only bad part was you had to buy 5 12 packs to get the lower rate.  which isn't that big a deal cause i'll just stack them up near the fridge
09:11 <@opticron> dayum
09:11 <@opticron> I never see deals like that here
09:20 < RangerZ1> so the gop whip had to resign over speaking at david duke white power group back in 2002.... who knew that would be bad politically... lol
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09:48 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: http://steamcommunity.com/games/324510/announcements/detail/204116086940035740
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10:26 <@Evilpig> http://meanwhileathq.tumblr.com/post/105466478160/whenislunch-autoreverse-and-a-meowy-christmas
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11:44 < aestetix> hi
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11:57 < aestetix> fucking cat has decided that I am tasty today, and she bites
11:58 < RangerZ1> aestetix: hope you don't sleep naked
11:58 < RangerZ1> lol
12:11 < aestetix> ugh
12:11 < aestetix> http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6240_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412271400_-_reproducible_builds_-_mike_perry_-_seth_schoen_-_hans_steiner.html#video
12:11 < aestetix> very important and interesting talk
12:11 < aestetix> Mike Perry sucks at speaking though
12:12 < aestetix> that said, you should all watch that talk
12:16 < RangerZ1> listening to techno and reading up on covariance and contravariance in c# and java... (having 'too much' fun with that... ugh) I'll listen later, lol
12:17 < aestetix> actually I take that back
12:18 < aestetix> he's a decent speaker, the slides just suck
12:18 < RangerZ1> i like lessig's slides
12:18 < RangerZ1> where he just has keywords
12:18 < RangerZ1> and 'open' and 'close' "sections" of his talk
12:22 < aestetix> I prefer pictures.
12:23 < aestetix> Then again, I prefer a narrative storytelling.
12:23 < aestetix> That said, for a scientific talk, the best way I've found is have two sets of slides
12:23 < RangerZ1> thats what lessig does
12:23 < aestetix> One that you give your talk with, and one that you post with more info
12:23 < aestetix> Because nobody wants to read 18 bullet points on the screen
12:23 < RangerZ1> lies
12:23 < aestetix> but it's totally fine for a PDF
12:23 < RangerZ1> they want 20
12:23 < RangerZ1> ;)
12:23 < aestetix> lol
12:24 < RangerZ1> actually, its better to not publish slides with notes like that
12:24 < RangerZ1> just publish the paper
12:24 < aestetix> sure
12:24 < aestetix> that works too
12:24 < aestetix> although I find slides easier than a paper
12:24 < RangerZ1> 'easier' sometimes, but not 'complete' enough most of the time
12:25 < RangerZ1> .... trust me... I've tried to figure out enough BS theory stuff from slides from some random prof... and ugh...
12:25 < RangerZ1> thats why I recommend people stay AWAY from MIT's online Algorithms course
12:26 < aestetix> lol
12:26 < RangerZ1> they just recorded _part_ of their in class lectures
12:26 < aestetix> really?
12:26 < aestetix> I've watched a bunch of those
12:26 < aestetix> what else is there
12:26 < RangerZ1> yeah, it isn't apparent at first
12:26 < RangerZ1> but MIT plays 'fast and loose' with anotations
12:26 < RangerZ1> their Big O notation in particular is WRONG what they say in the video
12:27 < RangerZ1> and unless you have read the formal definition before, you'd be confused
12:29 < RangerZ1> there are 5 notations, small o, big O, theta, big sigma, and little sigma , which ~=  <, <=, ==, >=, and > asymptotically
12:30 < aestetix> this is why I bought a copy of CLRS
12:30 < RangerZ1> big O is generally the only one you 'care' about, but MIT doesn't really explain this properly
12:30 < RangerZ1> yeah, its a good book
12:30 < RangerZ1> there are better 'intro' algorithm books
12:31 < RangerZ1> but not ones as nearly as complete
12:31 < aestetix> I should revisit that stuff sometime
12:31 < aestetix> It's just good to understand algorithms in general
12:32 < RangerZ1> yeah
12:33 < RangerZ1> and honestly... I need to revisit proving an alogorithm is np-complete again
12:33 < RangerZ1> b/c my last algo prof confused the FUCK out of me...
12:33 < RangerZ1> I was able to do it fine in undergrad, but he marked that method as wrong and gave me 0
12:33 < RangerZ1> and honestly I have no clue what the fuck he wanted
12:33 < RangerZ1> lol
12:35 < RangerZ1> but... he's a graph theory genius and... used to sing in a punk rock band... so 'odd' doesn't even start to cover it, lol, great guy... just hard material
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12:42 <@dasunt> Email was a nice idea before people confused it with instant messaging.
12:43 < aestetix> dasunt: especially when someone doesn't even bother to write a subject
12:44 < RangerZ1> dasunt: I liked my professional writing course I took in undergrad, because it gave a good framework for how to write good emails
12:44 < RangerZ1> basically consider them formal post cards
12:44 < RangerZ1> and any 'bulk data' should be in attachments
12:45 < RangerZ1> and gmail + google chat *cough*hangouts*cough* makes it easy to 'chat' if you want to chat or email if you want email, lol
12:47 <@dasunt> I'm just hating the fact people expect emails to be read ASAP.
12:48 < aestetix> dasunt: or how someone sends an email and then sends you an IM "did you get my email?"
12:48 <@Dolemite> I prefer to call to verify if someone received my text or email
12:48 <@Dolemite> call me old fashioned
12:49 <@dasunt> Remember, call right away!
12:50 <@dasunt> And no offense, but what the hell are coworkers doing with their days when they expect everyone to read an email message as soon as it arrives?
12:50 < aestetix> dasunt: their email is the most important thing in the world
12:50 <@Dolemite> I have too many coworkers that apparently are small-task driven
12:51 <@Dolemite> None of them seem to understand the value/importance of uninterrupted time working on a single task
12:51 < aestetix> Dolemite: just like short-term thinking, it's the american way
12:52 <@Dolemite> I find it crazy that pretty much all of our sysadmin team gave up real laptops for Surface Pro tablets.  It's like trying to be a professional photographer with an etch-a-sketch.
12:53 < aestetix> wait
12:53 < aestetix> how the fuck do you do sysadmin stuff with a tablet?
12:53 <@dasunt> "sysadmin team gave up real laptops for Surface Pro tablets" appears to have the correct grammar, but makes no fucking sense.
12:53 < RangerZ1> dasunt: Coka-a-Cola has gotten rid of email
12:53 <@Dolemite> All they do is RDP into another box
12:54 < aestetix> that's like writing shell scripts on an iPad
12:54 <@Dolemite> RangerZ1: They got rid of voicemail, not email
12:54 < RangerZ1> sorry... not email, voice-mail, and is using their own in house email system which is closer to IMing instead of 'email'
12:54 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I could be more productive with a tablet, but not as my ONLY computing device
12:55 <@dasunt> IM - letting others exert less effort to bother you.
12:55 < RangerZ1> hmm... who was it that was getting rid of email entirely...
12:55 <@Dolemite> Apparently some pointy hat fucker decided that you can have a tablet and a desktop, but not a tablet and a laptop - even if you already have that laptop
12:55 < RangerZ1> ehh, I just got an email, so I'll finish talking to you about this later ;)
12:55 <@Dolemite> But most of the SysAdmins (Windows Server Team) only has the tablet, because all they ever do is RDP and click
12:55 < aestetix> Dolemite: isn't half of sysadminning sshing into systems and doing thing?
12:56 <@dasunt> RangerZ1 - remember to type your reply on your Surface Pro.
12:56 < aestetix> s/type/tap/
12:56 < aestetix> oh
12:56 < aestetix> I would be totally lost on a Windows Server
12:56 <@Dolemite> aestetix: More than that, but you also need real estate to see several things at once
12:56 < aestetix> does windows allow things like awk?
12:56 <@dasunt> I'm lost on a Windows Server apparently, because even though my Powershell skills are pitiful, I still use them.
12:57 <@Dolemite> like awk?  yes
12:57 < aestetix> You can do awk on windows?
12:57 <@Dolemite> You asked if you can do something like awk, not specifically awk
12:58 < aestetix> what is something like awk
12:58 <@dasunt> perl?
12:58 < aestetix> I have tried to write code on a windows system, I gave up
12:58 <@Dolemite> Nothing native
12:58 < aestetix> unxutils?
12:58 <@dasunt> Powershell ain't too bad.
12:59 <@Dolemite> Cygwin lets you run most of the common unix scripting tools
12:59 <@Dolemite> But you have to use PowerShell if you want to get into the meat of the OS
12:59 < Warcop> and next up with have powershell DSC on unix
13:01 < aestetix> How hard is powershell to use?
13:01 < aestetix> Is it anything like bash?
13:02 < Warcop> Most Windows sysadmins really don't know what they are doing in my experience. They heavily rely on guide configuration work books and blogs posted by someone that got XYZ to work.
13:02 <@dasunt> Windows is like cutting your legs off.  Powershsell is like having a good prosthetic.
13:02 < Warcop> Developers like PowerShell because they can write 50 lines of code whereas the GUI can do it in 5 clicks.. and then they proclaim they are better because they did it with Powershell.
13:03 < Warcop> I like Powershell and it has come a long ways since its invention
13:03 <@dasunt> Warcop - except the parts where you can't do it in the GUI at all, hence you need a script.
13:04 <@dasunt> Windows:  It slowly causes madness.
13:04 < aestetix> I'm way faster typing than using a mouse
13:04 < aestetix> I fucking hate mice.
13:04 < aestetix> also, rdp needs way more bandwidth.
13:05 < aestetix> I don't even want to think of proxy-chaining rdp
13:05 <@Dolemite> I find references for what objects you can actually poll in PowerShell to be very limited
13:05 < Warcop> dasunt: yes and that is becoming more prevelant and the Windows guys who have never worked with a shell are getting lost
13:06 < Warcop> Dolemite: Indeed and many times digging into the C# underneath you'll find MS didn't even write it correctly.
13:06 < aestetix> well can you do something like ps aux | awk '{ print "kill "  $2 }' | xargs in powershell?
13:07 < aestetix> or is it just click click click
13:07 <@dasunt> It's a scripting language.
13:07 < Warcop> there are several API interfaces to work with windows services
13:07 < aestetix> no I mean is it possible to do that in powershell or do you have to use a gui
13:08 < Warcop> Sure
13:08 < Warcop> Newer Windows server installations allow you to install GUI-less
13:08 < aestetix> wow
13:09 <@Dolemite> you can get a list of services and applications running and modify their run state
13:09 < RangerZ1> i'm curious to see what win10 will bring
13:09 <@shapr> maybe even something like ssh?
13:09 <@Dolemite> You can also change the configuration via scripting
13:09 <@dasunt> Windows 10 will bring pain, suffering, bleakness.
13:09 < Warcop> powershell remote execution has existed for a while.. Not SSH but same difference
13:09 <@Dolemite> There's just no Kernigan and Ritchie book on PowerShell to get people started in the right direction
13:10 < Warcop> True - plus the versioning is changing rapidly right now so by the time a book is published there will be another 1000 object references added to existing cmdlets
13:13 < RangerZ1> dasunt: at this point, I am in the camp that believes that windows' fate is tied to video games, because if linux ever gets to the point where directx isn't king of the roost... no one will run windows at home for gaming
13:13 < Warcop> The engineers behind powershell are unix guys.. but the political landscape at Microsoft has challenged them. awk/grep/sed just doesn't directly work against WMI/AD/Registry
13:15 < Warcop> this is a good reference http://books.google.com/books/about/Windows_PowerShell_in_Action.html?id=MYZQAAAAMAAJ
13:15 < aestetix> the political lanscape?
13:15 < aestetix> so MS really has turned into the new IBM?
13:16 < Warcop> Neah.. comparing MS and IBM is rather difficult
13:16 <@Bahhumbug> There has been internal in-fighting between departments at msft for decades.
13:16 < Warcop> ^
13:16 <@Bahhumbug> So in that regard it has long been IBM in nature.
13:16 < RangerZ1> MSFT has WANTED political infighting between depts for a long time
13:16 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.
13:16 < RangerZ1> the new head is actually against that
13:17 <@Bahhumbug> Because it's good for product design.
13:17 < RangerZ1> and we'll see what that brings
13:17 <@Bahhumbug> You have two or more departments fighting for funds and people work harder to get PoCs out that actually work.
13:18 < RangerZ1> Possession of a Controlled Substance?
13:18 < RangerZ1> ;)
13:19 < aestetix> penis over chocholate sauce
13:38 < aestetix> I'm thinking of starting a little twitter account "conversation stoppers"
13:38 < aestetix> with questions like "so does anyone wanna talk about butt play?"
13:40 < RangerZ1> just think about most things you say in here
13:42 < Warcop> @convosopper exists
13:42 < Warcop> s/convostopper
13:43 <@dasunt> Jesus.  I need to take a vacation or retire someplace where the most technically advanced thing is an oil lamp.
13:44 < Warcop> dasunt: that is why I live off of a dirt road that is off of a dirt road
13:44 <@dasunt> I just have the urge to scream.
13:44 < Warcop> dasunt: the only Internet that was available was getting a circuit
13:44 <@dasunt> Someone just submitted a ticket that said "error message" with a screenshot.  No mention what they were doing, what program this is, nothing.
13:45 < Warcop> awesome, reply back with "fixed"
13:45 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: Have you seen this? I have some friends you keep trying to get me to try it.
13:46 <@benthemeek> http://store.steampowered.com/app/244770/
13:50 < aestetix> dasunt: go to burning man
13:52 <@Bahhumbug> dasunt: CLOSED-NOTABUG
14:03 < aestetix> and another instance of bullshit
14:03 < aestetix> someone on twitter complaining about rampant sexism at CCC
14:04 < aestetix> but when I asked her how the conference handled it when she reported it, she said "oh it didn't happen to me I heard about it"
14:16 <@shapr> aestetix: huh
14:18 < Warcop> Microsoft building a new lightweight browser called Spartan?! Yeah, because that is what the market wants.
14:19 <@Evilpig> is that their way of saying "fuck ie" 
14:19 <@Evilpig> quote of the day " i ended up in a musical somehow "
14:20 <@Evilpig> not watching one... IN one.
14:21 < Warcop> I've been trying to push some Firefox with a few clients of mine..
14:21 < Warcop> It is met with a lot of resistance
14:46 < RangerZ1> Warcop: instead of IE?
14:47 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: its not 'that' hard to end up in a musical by accident
14:47  * RangerZ1 speaks from experience
14:48 <@Evilpig> I am pretty sure i'm speaking for most folks when I say I think you're wrong on that
14:48 < Warcop> RangerZ: instead of IE, yes..
14:49 < RangerZ1> I was volunteering as a lighting tech for a local winter performance, and the one guy's back went out, so they had me stand in for the swing dance number, because I was able to do it....
14:49 < RangerZ1> they needed someone who was strong enough to throw the girls around without hurting themselves... lol
14:50 < RangerZ1> but I also was at a VERY strong (nationally) musical school... and in several choirs... so... yeah...
14:51 < RangerZ1> Warcop: My issue with firefox was the god aweful speed/memory leaks it had when I switched to chrome
14:51 < RangerZ1> I haven't really used it since, I'm going to assume they have improved those aspects?
14:55 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: now this is neat.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2QYtLZR98
14:55 < Warcop> It's working fairly well for me. I haven't experienced those issues.
14:58 < Warcop> However, depending on the project or client I have all three browsers always available.
15:03 <@dasunt> I was a long term Opera user until they shot themselves in the foot with "lets adopt another group's rendering engine and not bother putting in the features we used to have in our browser".
15:04 < aestetix> oh nice
15:04 < aestetix> we're getting a visit from our local recycling team
15:04 < aestetix> a very noisy visit, right outside my window
15:06 <@Dagmar> Now's your chance to get rid of that dead hooker!
15:07 <@Evilpig> there's a lesson there. always recycle your hookers.  someone will else will sue them dead or alive.
15:07 <@Evilpig> s/sue/use/
15:15 <@Dagmar> Time sensitive: Sandisk selling their flashdrives and sdcards super fuckin cheeap on Amazon today.  See also http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Force-Casing-SDCZ71-032G-B35/dp/B00C9Q6NM2/ref=br_lf_m_10011503011_1_2_ttl/175-1286688-7612231?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=19CM9W3M0CZQWW2JF1X4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=2008381342&pf_rd_i=10011503011&tag=androidcentralb-20&m1k=d_ac
15:15 <@Dagmar> That's a $32gb flash drive for $12.99
15:17 <@Dagmar> Even their 64Gb units are reasonably priced at that
15:17 <@Dagmar> Obvs... don't expect much of a discount on the flaghship 128's, but the rest are awesome
15:22 < Warcop> Isn't Sandisk one of the faster ones out there
15:23 < Warcop> i'm oblivious to why one is better than the others
15:23 <@Dagmar> Well, they're one of the larger producers out there, and they don't really fuck around with selling drives that are onerously slow anymore
15:24 <@Dagmar> They're pretty decent innovators
15:24 <@Dagmar> Some of their products are a little odd tho
15:24 <@Dagmar> They have a "wireless flash drive" which has a use case I'm still trying to wrap my head around
15:25 <@Dagmar> It's basically like a very large thumbdrive with an AP built in
15:25 <@Dagmar> Can run for about four hours
15:26 <@Dagmar> That is, it can run for about four hours on it's own internal battery
15:27 <@Dagmar> They also used to make those U3 drives which stopped being butt-slow once you disabled the U3 support on them with a reflashing
15:28 <@Dagmar> I think it would be incorrect to say their stuff is especially fast, but it's accurate to say that they _do_ meet the speed specifications they say they will
15:28 <@Dagmar> I've got a bunch of their drives, and all of them work just like their supposed to with no surprises
16:01 < RangerZ1> they make a lot of SSDs too
16:02 < RangerZ1> I haven't heard much bad about their SSDs or thumb drives in a while
16:03 <@Evilpig> and this pun has to be made
16:03 <@Evilpig> "They're grrrrrrrrreat!"  http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/east-asia/story/china-businessman-jailed-13-years-buying-and-eating-three-tigers-20141230
16:05 <@Dagmar> hehehh
16:15 < RangerZ1> thats legal in ohio...
16:16 < RangerZ1> sadly
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16:23 < RangerZ1> finally watched the last ep of Colbert Report, wasn't bad
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16:40 < aestetix> RangerZ1: how much do you like your feet?
16:40 < RangerZ1> huh?
16:40 < RangerZ1> I'm kinda "attached" to them
16:40 < RangerZ1> if thats your joke
16:40 < aestetix> Actually
16:40 < aestetix> I was gonna ask how much money it would take you to cut off one of your toes.
16:41 <@Bahhumbug> You are work, aestetix?
16:41 <@Bahhumbug> If so I'm thinking it's time your company downsized and replaced you with an intern for free.
16:41 < RangerZ1> depends on the toe
16:41 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: interns now have to be paid, the fed. govt has actually been enforcing that
16:42 < RangerZ1> interns can only be 'free' if they do no work
16:42 < RangerZ1> my old job almost got fucked because of that
16:42 <@Bahhumbug> He does no work.
16:42 <@Bahhumbug> I see it as a win for the company.
16:43 < RangerZ1> it wasn't paying interns at first... and then an intern at the end of his time told them he was going to go to the DA and ask about the legality, etc...
16:43 < RangerZ1> ohh look... he got paid
16:43 < RangerZ1> lol
16:45 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: no, I am not work. I'm fun!
16:51 < aestetix> RangerZ1: are big toes more expensive than little toes?
16:51 < RangerZ1> yes
16:51 < RangerZ1> do you know how your foot actually works
16:52 < RangerZ1> same with fingers, thumb is more important than other fingers
16:52 < RangerZ1> thumb> pointer finger, pinky > middle > ring finger in order of importance
16:53 < RangerZ1> similar for toes for sense of balance and control while walking
16:53 < aestetix> the pinky toe is worth more?
16:55 < aestetix> so which toe would you cut off first?
17:02 < RangerZ1> ring or middle
17:03 < RangerZ1> on toes or fingers
17:03 <@Evilpig> i'd cut off your toes before mine
17:03 < RangerZ1> thats what I was assuming too
17:03 <@Evilpig> i'm out bitches!
17:03 < RangerZ1> b/c obviously he's getting paid to cut off toes
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17:07 <@Bahhumbug> I'll cut his toes off for free.
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> Consider it my gift.
17:56 < RangerZ1> anyone here use a mechanical keyboard?
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18:53 <@Evilpig> ROFL  http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/alabama_21_other_states_seeing.html
18:53 < aestetix> RangerZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr0E6Lw4Nk
18:53 <@Evilpig> "The report shows that about 97 percent of the confirmed flu cases during Week 51 are of Type A, or the Switzerland strain. That strain is not one of the flu types that were compiled for this year's flu vaccine,"
18:54 <@Evilpig> fucking telemarketers
18:54 <@Evilpig> calling to offer me vehicle protection on my parents vehicles
18:54 <@Evilpig> told me I self reported my number for them to contact me then hung up on me
18:54 <@Evilpig> tried to call back and the number is invalid
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19:19 <@shapr> well that's cool, I got retweeted by travis goodspeed and dan kaminsky
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20:06 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I'm typing on a unicomp right now.
20:11 <@Dickie> That's a computer with one wheel, right?
20:11 <@Evilpig> unicomp?  is that what you get when terminator fucks a unicorn?
20:12 < _NSAKEY> Unicomp = the company that took over the Model M plant in Lexington after Lexmark divested itself.
20:13 < _NSAKEY> Some IBM employees bought the factory, equipment, and patent for the Model M's buckling spring switches.
20:13 < _NSAKEY> It's not exactly the same. I've got an 80s and a 90s Model M handy to confirm that.
20:14 < _NSAKEY> Still, the difference is mostly acoustic, because they changed the case to use 33% less plastic.
20:14 < _NSAKEY> They also fixed my keyboard under warranty even though I had owned it for 18 months because of a manufacturing defect.
20:16 < _NSAKEY> They will also take your old keyboard + a fee ($30 for the most basic model) and completely rebuild it, even if it's an actual Model M.
20:17 < _NSAKEY> One of the downsides is that the USB version is a power hog, and you can't use it with an unpowered KVM switch.
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21:00 < RangerZ1> LOL @ MSNBC's Chris Hayes just saying (bleeped) "What the holy f**k just happened"
21:00 < RangerZ1> lol
21:04 < RangerZ1> it was a bleeper reel... but stil
21:12 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt7t43z8mh6klw0/2014-12-30%2021.10.52.jpg?dl=0
21:12 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2t0l8d1jyurf8ar/2014-12-30%2021.10.58.jpg?dl=0
21:12 <@Evilpig> splitter is functional!
21:13 < RangerZ1> hdmi?
21:13 < RangerZ1> or something else?
21:14 <@Evilpig> hdmi
21:14 <@Evilpig> got an active splitter that didn't require any weirdness to make happy
21:15 < RangerZ1> nice
21:16 <@Evilpig> so if anyone is looking for one.  sewell
21:16 <@Evilpig> that's the brand that made this one
21:18 < RangerZ1> good to know
21:18 < RangerZ1> i've been curious
21:18 < RangerZ1> been debating on how I want to setup stuff here
21:19 <@Evilpig> when I turn on either the tv or monitor the other one flashes for a sec
21:19 < RangerZ1> hmm
21:19 <@Evilpig> it's to be expected
21:19 < RangerZ1> hopefully thats not TOO much 'active'
21:20 < RangerZ1> would hate to get a power spike b/c of a little box like that
21:20 <@Evilpig> not too worried
21:20 <@Evilpig> had the monitor for well over 7 years now
21:20 <@Evilpig> and the tv was $300 
21:20 <@Evilpig> willing to toss the dice on this setup for a while
21:21 <@Evilpig> not like i'm gonna use the second monitor often anyhow.
21:21 < RangerZ1> yeah
21:22 < RangerZ1> I've been debating what to do, so that I can play games or watch movies on both the TV in the living room and my monitor in my room (unfortunately far ends of my apartment ~40ft away)
21:23 < RangerZ1> the movies is easier
21:23 < RangerZ1> games not so much...
21:24 <@Evilpig> hdmi over ethernet
21:24 <@Evilpig> supposedly can go up to 200' from some of the ones I saw
21:25 <@Evilpig> the video would be the easy part.  making your controllers hit the console from either location would be the bitch
21:27 <@Dagmar> well, it's a good thing the consoles don't weigh more than ten pounds.
21:29 <@Evilpig> get a rolling cart, an hdmi switch, and a power strip.  have a mobile gaming station.  all your shit stays connected, have two cords that come out.  one hdmi, one power.
21:46 < RangerZ1> apparently Dagmar has never seen the original xbox or the xbox one....
21:47 < RangerZ1> LOL
21:51 <@Evilpig> technically those are only that heavy cause of the brick
21:51 <@Evilpig> the console itself isn't that heavy
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21:56 < RangerZ1> the PS4 has the power brick inside the unit
21:56 < RangerZ1> LOL
22:00 <@Evilpig> I kinda want some ham
22:03 < RangerZ1> man... i hope you don't mean looking in a mirror naked
22:04 < RangerZ1> anyone here from Lynchburg ?
22:06 <@Evilpig> nope
22:07 < RangerZ1> thinking about taking the Jack Daniels tour when a friend comes to visit
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22:08 < RangerZ1> she's a bartender, so she would like it and all, etc
22:08 < RangerZ1> and is anyone else's comcast FUCKED right now?
22:12 <@Evilpig> haha
22:12 <@Evilpig> the tour is fun
22:12 <@Evilpig> and don't know on comcrap, my shit is working fine
22:13 < RangerZ1> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4023136923
22:13 < RangerZ1> 2.48/0.49
22:13 < RangerZ1> ugh
22:13 < RangerZ1> didn't notice until youtube video wouldn't even play
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22:51 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssxHtFnDRVA [Bill Cosby Hires Private Investigator To Shame Women Who Accuse Him Of Rape] ... god... (Streisand Effect)^400
22:55 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/yokey017/status/549961468771172353/photo/1 HAHAHA play-doh ... doh...
22:56 < RangerZ> NSFW depending if you work at a church or not...
22:56 < RangerZ> lol
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23:42 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: PIs are like mercenaries.
23:43 < _NSAKEY> .
23:43 < RangerZ> yeah, i dated one actually
23:43 < _NSAKEY> I would call them whores, but they're usually the ones on the giving end of the fuckings they dish out.
23:43 < RangerZ> lol
23:44 < _NSAKEY> Repo people are worse in some ways, but PIs get all the love because of American noir films.
23:44 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: about that... apparently the two biggest noir character PIs from LA are probably both based off the same PI
23:44 < _NSAKEY> You mean Sam Spade and Phillip Marlowe, or different characters?
23:45 < RangerZ> same first/last name of half of each of the two characters (can't think of name offhand), i heard it on.... nvm... Sam Marlowe was the PI's name
23:45 <@Dagmar> So I guess the police are doing their proactive monitoring for people breakin' into cars in my condoplex tonight
23:45 < RangerZ> he was a Black PI in LA in the 30s
23:45 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Bait cars, or worse?
23:45 < RangerZ> the studios used him, and other stuff
23:45 <@Dagmar> I have two unmarked and a rather obvious patrol car sitting in different places in my parking lot
23:45 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Got firecrackers?
23:45 < RangerZ> lol
23:46 <@Dagmar> The two unmarked came in at the same time and don't realize how obvious they are when they're in caravan mode
23:46 < RangerZ> or ... room service like from beverly hills cop 1... bring them food on a platter saying "room service from room XYZ" lol
23:46 <@Dagmar> I should probably go out later, see if they're still there, and maybe suggest they don't tailgate one another
23:46 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Their threat model doesn't account for people staking the place out (Like residents).
23:46 <@Dagmar> Well, it doesn't generally account for the clinically paranoid
23:47 < _NSAKEY> Do you guys remember the guys in Long Beach a few years back who were using key fobs to open cars and were looting their contents?
23:47 < _NSAKEY> (It looked like they were probably using key fobs. That's just speculation on my part.)
23:47 < RangerZ> I liked the guys who were using tennis balls to completely bypass car locks...
23:47 < RangerZ> just forced air all of a sudden
23:48 <@Dagmar> Yeah I gotta admit that's pretty elegant
23:48 <@Dagmar> Doesn't work on older cars tho
23:48 < RangerZ> which is ironic...
23:48 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: That was a 0day. I knew some retired thieves who were kind of sad to see that one go.
23:48 < RangerZ> "you can only break into new cars this way"
23:48 < RangerZ> "um... ok"
23:48 <@Dagmar> it's because older cars have crap for insulation
23:48 < _NSAKEY> Before anyone fucking freaks out, I'm in the repo business.
23:48 <@Dagmar> Newer cars tend to have airtight doors
23:48 < _NSAKEY> I make it my business to learn random tricks like that.
23:49 <@Dagmar> The air literally blows the pushbutton up
23:49 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: A lot of those older cars also have really big knobs on the lock switches inside.
23:49 < _NSAKEY> Almost like a mushroom head.
23:49 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: repo men.... collecting organs...you mother fucker... my uncle had his kidney taken back b/c he couldn't make payments
23:49 < RangerZ> lol
23:49 < _NSAKEY> Those old cars are easy to get into if you know what you're doing.
23:51 < _NSAKEY> Something senselessly ornate like this makes people like me jump for joy: http://www.cruisermotorsports.com/Door%20Lock%20Pull.JPG
23:51 <@Dagmar> Oh wow.  Yeah I can see why
23:51 <@Dagmar> You could snag that with a wire loop with a blindfold on
23:52 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Try a box strap from an appliance.
23:52 <@Dagmar> Not a bad use
23:52 < _NSAKEY> The people who sell lockout tools generally sell a piece of 10 mil plastic that's been folded in half.
23:52 <@Dagmar> I'm more of a broken antenna and fishing line kind of guy
23:53 < _NSAKEY> The crease has sandpaper glued to the inside.
23:53 < _NSAKEY> I've seen other people work magic with a bent antenna.
23:53 < _NSAKEY> At this point though, I'm focused on the back-end shit that nobody cares about, and don't get to play in the field much anymore.
23:55 < _NSAKEY> If ECUs weren't so expensive and nonstandard, I'd probably have some laying around just to experiment with next level car hacks.
23:55 < _NSAKEY> Then again, so would a bunch of more qualified academics.
23:56 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: fuck that... you should read some of the academic papers I've read
23:56 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I've got two of the only recent autosec papers I could find printed off. Just haven't read all of them yet.
23:56 < _NSAKEY> Academic papers kind of suck for people like me though.
23:56 < _NSAKEY> Because they give you just enough info to have to reverse engineer what they did.
23:56 < RangerZ> god... cars are pathetic when it comes to security/reliability when it comes to the data being sent through the car
23:56 < _NSAKEY> Then again, that keeps skids at bay I suppose.
23:57 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: lawyers
23:57 < _NSAKEY> Very true.
23:57 < _NSAKEY> I still think it's fucking bullshit, though.
23:57 < RangerZ> do you have ANY idea how much <Insert Car company X here> would flip out if you said how to hack into their car via blutooth ?
23:58 < _NSAKEY> That would be hilarious.
23:58 < RangerZ> and I haven't looked into the math behind it... but keyless entry isn't really that secure from what i can tell
23:58 < _NSAKEY> Keyless entry lacks entropy.
23:58 < _NSAKEY> It's what, 5 buttons with multiple numbers assigned to them?
23:58 < RangerZ> with a specialized antenna, you could probabably fuck over them all easily
23:59 < _NSAKEY> Oh, you mean the fobs.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> There was a talk at blackhat a couple years ago that I never watched.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> But the news articles were clear enough.
23:59 < RangerZ> I meant the older ones, not the fobs
23:59 < RangerZ> fobs probably have 'some' randomization
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