--- Log opened Fri Dec 26 00:00:25 2014 00:25 -!- frsilent_ is now known as frsilent 00:25 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@198.91.88.88] has quit [Changing host] 00:25 -!- frsilent [~frsilent@unaffiliated/frsilent] has joined #se2600 00:39 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:37 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 02:17 -!- klixa-cloud is now known as klixah8sluts 02:21 -!- klixah8sluts is now known as klixa 02:27 -!- RangerZ2 [~rangerz@69.137.107.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:16 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:11 < aestetix> wait there's a new orphan black out? 05:12 < aestetix> apparently not 05:37 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgcgchreicuwzwrd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:30 <@Dagmar> _Coming_ out 06:30 <@Dagmar> They ran teasers/ads for it during Doctor Who 06:32 <@Dagmar> It's very weird to see Penn Jilette talking to little Cyan 06:45 < RangerZ> s/talking to little Cyan// 06:46 < RangerZ> -_- 07:15 < aestetix> Here guys, an xmas present in the spirit of theological analysis: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6s248iojqoydm34/AABQKNMTkPLhXYkSN84t-riea?dl=0 07:15 < aestetix> benthemeek: you'll enjoy this a lot 10:07 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has quit [shutting down] 10:10 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #se2600 10:10 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o ChanServ] by adams.freenode.net 10:46 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@66-169-24-35.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 11:17 -!- sdodson_ [~Scott@2606:a000:110d:c03b:5528:4d33:5352:4a12] has joined #se2600 11:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson_] by ChanServ 12:45 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@66-169-24-35.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57 <@Evilpig> did one of y'all send me bacon? 12:59 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@96.43.128.186] has quit [Changing host] 12:59 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 13:20 <@sdodson_> not it 13:20 -!- sdodson_ [~Scott@2606:a000:110d:c03b:5528:4d33:5352:4a12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42 <@Mirage> Not me, but I should have thought about it. 14:11 <@oddball> Huh... the Scion IQ made the Forbes list of "15 new cars to avoid." 14:39 <@oddball> Well, shit. One of the Hypericon crew (Fred) had a stroke last night and the doctors are giving him 3-4 days. 14:39 <@Mirage> that sux 15:02 <@Mirage> someone shoot me please. for some sick demented reason I have "come sail away" stuck in my head 15:02 <@oddball> I'm saaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiling away.... 15:23 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 15:25 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I got a box in the mail from "mancrates.com" that had three packages of different bacon jerkies in it with a note that read "Merry Christmas Wilpig. Enjoy some pig" 15:27 <@Evilpig> http://www.mancrates.com/jerkygrams/bacon 15:28 <@Mirage> funny 15:28 <@Mirage> maybe it was a peace offering from Skydog..=) 15:28 * Mirage ducks 15:28 <@Evilpig> no telling since it wasn't signed 15:28 <@Evilpig> I'd expect him to send me shit rather than bacon 15:29 <@Mirage> LM have your address? I could see her doing that. 15:29 <@Evilpig> anyone can get my address. it's on my whois shit 15:29 <@Mirage> oh, you finally updated that? 15:30 <@Evilpig> pretty sure I did 15:47 < RangerZ> I'm still surprised that people were surprised that they got 'cow patties' from CAH 15:47 <@rattle> http://isc.org 15:47 < RangerZ> if they DIDN'T send that, they would have had a class action lawsuit on their hands for false advert 15:48 < RangerZ> rattle: thankfully they don't publish any important software used on servers worldwide or anything 15:50 <@rattle> Yeah. It's a good thing they don't run a DNS root server either. 16:00 < RangerZ> yeah... 16:05 < RangerZ> ". ISC also expanded their operational activities to include Internet hosting facilities for other open-source projects such as NetBSD, XFree86, kernel.org, secondary name service (SNS) for more than 50 top-level domains" 16:05 < RangerZ> ....yeah... 16:05 < RangerZ> (from the wiki) 16:06 < RangerZ> I didn't even realize they hosted that stuff... 16:09 <@rattle> http://www.cyphort.com/isc-org-infected/ 16:10 <@Dagmar> No, seriously? 16:11 <@Dagmar> GOOD OLD FUCKING WORDPRESS 16:12 <@Dagmar> I would just like to say, I had nothing to do with this http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Report-Small-Aircraft-Flips-Over-At-John-C-Tune-Airport-286865151.html 16:16 < RangerZ> Dagmar: thou does protest too much 16:20 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:29 <@Dagmar> I just point it out so you'll know what kind of pilots and planes they have over there that I might technically be "endangering" by flying my drone 16:30 <@Dagmar> This is a case where the 5 mile radius rule is just silly. It's a tiny little airport that handles tiny little planes, and absolutely none of them should ever be flying within 300 feet of my house 16:30 <@Dagmar> Also, even if there was a high wind and the drone ran completely amok I'm pretty sure it couldn't reach the flight lanes 16:30 <@Dagmar> The battery gives it about a five to ten minute flight time right now 16:30 < RangerZ> how else are they going to crop dust over your house? 16:31 < RangerZ> i mean... 16:31 < RangerZ> lol 16:31 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is that they're not the problem 16:31 <@Dagmar> The military bullshit doing I Follow Rivers navigation is a much bigger problem 16:31 <@Dagmar> They'll take it to exactly 300 feet. 16:32 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm pretty sure they're built to just ignore impact with something like a 4oz dronbe 16:32 <@Dagmar> Actually I'm pretty sure they've been closer than 300 feet before, but I'm not going to get terribly upset about it because it only happens maybe 1-2 times a yaer, and it's just noisy 16:33 <@Dagmar> IF it were even a monthly thing, then maybe I could get upset about it 16:36 <@oddball> Dagmar: I thought there was a ceiling that you couldn't fly your drone over... not "you can't fly it period." 16:36 <@Dagmar> Nah I didn't find out until semi-recently there's a 5mi radius around airports where it's forbidden 16:37 <@Dagmar> ...but pragmatically, there is no reasonable problem possible for me flying a tiny little drone over and around my condoplex. 16:37 <@Dagmar> If I had even a tiny concern I could be endangering a pilot, I wouldn't even put the battery in it here. 16:37 <@Dagmar> I'm not about to be "that guy" 16:38 <@Dagmar> Airspace around airports somewhat depends on anything and everything in the area being under the watch of the tower 16:38 <@Dagmar> ...and there's not really any way for a drone pilot to coordinate with them. 16:40 <@oddball> I just figured "below roof tops" to generally be safe. 16:41 <@Dagmar> Yeah I barely even fly it that high here 16:41 <@oddball> 'cause if a plane is swooping below that in you condo complex, he has more to worry than your little chunk of flying plastic. 16:41 <@Dagmar> I'm mainly still working on getting it to behave with the _added weight_ of the light up Enlightenent logo 16:41 -!- _NSAKEY [~nsakey@static.38.19.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:41 <@Dagmar> oddball: Precisely 16:41 <@Dagmar> Any plane flying lower than 300 feet around here has a major fucking problem of some sort 16:43 <@Mirage> I'd say airplane vs anything smaller than a Canadian Goose shouldn't be an issue. 16:43 <@oddball> Fucking geese. 16:46 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqocxujexljitvbc] has joined #se2600 16:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 16:48 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, did you see that Marriott is trying to get the FCC to give them the ok to start jamming wireless devices in their hotels? 16:49 <@Dagmar> Yes, and I intend to start commenting publicly about how much bullshit that is 16:49 <@Dagmar> Actually already have started commenting publicly 16:49 <@Dagmar> Their claims as to why are completely crap 16:49 <@Dagmar> What they claim they are attempting to do is not possible 16:49 <@oddball> yep 16:50 <@oddball> No... it is. They already have the tech to do so at Opryland Hotel. 16:50 <@Mirage> Solaris. need to get file from remote web server but no fetch, wget, or curl. what else might i use? drawing a blank. 16:50 <@rattle> I believe the reason or the blanket 5mi rule is that some airports have bird detection technology in place.. So that if a flock of geese or something is flying through, they can ground halt.. 16:50 -!- _NSAKEY [~nsakey@static.38.19.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #se2600 16:50 <@oddball> The reason they're asking for permission now is because they got caught actively fucking with cell data signals a few months back. 16:51 <@rattle> s/or/for/ 16:51 <@Dagmar> oddball: Wifi signals. They were interfering with people's ability to use a cellular link to make their own wifi hot spots 16:51 <@Dagmar> If they had interfered with cellular, all hell would have broken loose on them 16:52 < RangerZ> Mirage: sftp? 16:52 <@oddball> Right, sorry. And that's what they're wanting permission to fuck with now. 16:52 <@Dagmar> As far as I know, your best bet is going to be to use scp/sftp or something 16:52 <@Dagmar> Grab the http resource from somewhere else and then push it to the Solaris host 16:52 <@Dagmar> There's no _simple_ way to do HTTP and keep the file with just telnet's logging ability 16:53 <@oddball> It might have also been cell signal, they were just smart enough to go after the frequencies used for data. 16:53 <@Dagmar> Nope 16:53 < RangerZ> hell, there is PAINT that will passively block cell phone signals 16:53 <@Dagmar> The WAN APs they use have it as a "feature" that they will broadcast deauth packets for anything but their own connections 16:53 < RangerZ> the movie theaters were thinking of installing it in all of the national chains 16:53 <@Dagmar> This forcibly disconnects hosts from APs. 16:54 <@Dagmar> It's basically no better than spoofing FINs 16:54 < RangerZ> but they decided that they didn't want to deal with possible lawsuits from a doctor not getting a call, etc 16:54 <@oddball> RangerZ: Right, but that's not what Marriott was doing at Opryland. They were actively fucking with shit. 16:54 < RangerZ> oddball: yeah, but if they want to 'block' cell phones, just use the paint 16:54 <@Dagmar> This is why after I found out about it I was mad, because if they want to open that door, I can certainly stick multiple Wifi units into my Raspberry and do the same to them 16:54 < RangerZ> it has micro-copper fragments in it or something 16:55 <@oddball> RangerZ: The problem is that 1. you don't want to get between a business man and his cell phone calls, and 2. it would probably block their wifi service that they're charging out the ass for. 16:55 <@Dagmar> The deauth spoofing is effective for disabling unauthorized access points, however, they have no legal grounds to use it in a public meeting space 16:55 < RangerZ> hell you don't even need that... a battery and a radio chip can block entire 'bands' of radio waves 16:55 <@Dagmar> It's called shared spectrum for a reason 16:55 < RangerZ> HIGHLY illegal 16:56 < RangerZ> but passive blocking is 'fine' 16:56 <@oddball> right 16:56 <@oddball> So... after they got caught doing that, they're not petitioning the FCC to carve out an exception for the hotel industry. 16:57 <@Dagmar> s/not/now/ 16:57 <@Dagmar> ...which is nothing _but_ them trying to protect their ability to force people to pay them to use their service 16:58 <@Dagmar> They are trying to make the claim that it is to prevent people from getting up to mischeif with fake APs, but they simply can not prevent that this way 16:58 <@Dagmar> It's not even slightly possible 16:58 <@oddball> Oh, absolutely. 16:58 <@Dagmar> I can get in there and MITM their shit all day long 16:59 < RangerZ> so, I purposely ignored the details of the story... b/c I would have raged and been "you wouldn't like me ...when I'm mad" , but... did they block their 'confrence space' ? 16:59 <@Dagmar> ...and if I map the recievers out, which is fucking trivial, I can simply spoof the MAC of one of their transcievers outside of it's normal range and the system will not even notice me 16:59 < RangerZ> or in the hotel rooms themselves? 16:59 <@oddball> The idea that a cellular hotspot is less secure than a hotel's LAN is ridiculous. 16:59 <@Dagmar> The whole place 17:00 <@oddball> RangerZ: Well, yes. 17:00 < RangerZ> ohh, fuck that 17:00 <@Dagmar> Exactly. 17:00 < RangerZ> i could 'understand' their idea of 'confrence space' (still bs, but 'understand') 17:00 < RangerZ> but in ROOMS, then fuck them 17:00 <@Dagmar> This is one of those places where a local 2600 group can provide a useful "service" to the populace by showing such claims to be utter bullshit 17:01 <@oddball> Because it's something liek $20/night for the hotel guests, and "we're going to rape you now" for conference vendors. 17:02 < RangerZ> like 1000$ a day for venders or something 17:02 < RangerZ> thank god dru wasn't offered that 17:02 < RangerZ> i mean... 17:02 < RangerZ> lol 17:03 <@oddball> Of course, a good chunk of the hotel guests either 1. don't pay for it because it's a bonus feature for rewards program members, or 2. pay for it because their work is picking up the tab (so... not paying it in their minds) 17:04 -!- nexusl [~holoirc@168-250-48-76.health-partners.org] has joined #se2600 17:11 -!- nexusl [~holoirc@168-250-48-76.health-partners.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29 <@Dagmar> I love that this has come up in the Nashville+ forum 17:29 <@Dagmar> Looove it 17:30 <@Dagmar> I am totally ready to take on some challenges like that to block Opryhell's evil plans 17:35 < RangerZ> hell we could write an academic confrence paper on it 17:35 < RangerZ> see how they love the press 17:36 <@Dagmar> Oh yes 17:36 < RangerZ> hell work it into a BUNCH of papers, about how we need 'resilient internet' 17:36 <@Dagmar> I have to admit I grinned when I saw that Marriott was trying to challenge the FCC, and offering bogus technical reasons 17:37 <@Dagmar> That thing Tom brought to PN a few years back where APs actually have certs is the *only* thing that would actually provide the security they're claiming 17:37 <@Dagmar> Their system does not support it, and most people's devices don't support it and are highly unlikely to support it 17:37 <@Dagmar> If they want to provide secure network access, they'll need to run some actual cable drops. Period. 17:38 <@Dagmar> Otherwise they can not increase the security of the wireless spectrum in the hotel proper even one little bit 17:38 <@rattle> Screech be all grown up getting into bar fights and shit. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/11cab2cef61242acb2f00924dacd5f1d/dustin-diamond-charged-stabbing-wisconsin-bar 17:38 <@Dagmar> lol I love NotLarry's recent FB post 17:38 <@Dagmar> That's a lot of damn eating hehe 17:44 <@oddball> So.... my father-in-law and sister-in-law decided that they wanted to legally watch the Interview. 17:44 <@oddball> Naienko is not pleased. 17:48 <@Dagmar> Well, at least it was only $6 17:51 <@oddball> Have you seen it yet? 17:52 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I pirated it and I still wanted my money back after it was done. 17:52 <@rattle> That bad, eh? 17:52 <@rattle> I haven't watched it yet. 17:53 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: can't be as bad as the first new Hulk movie 17:53 < RangerZ> I wanted my money, time, and bits that went over my internet back 17:53 <@oddball> So far, the the Eminem bit was pretty good. 17:53 < RangerZ> rattle: its got a ~50% on rotten tomatoes 17:54 < RangerZ> so its not 'bad' its just not 'for everyone' 17:54 <@oddball> It's... a James Franco/Seth Rogan movie. You were expecting good? 17:54 < RangerZ> I was expecting Kim Jong Un-Believablely good 17:54 < RangerZ> ;) 17:56 < RangerZ> and lol @ thief being 7.49$ on steam... for being a AAA game that came out 'this year' 17:56 <@rattle> The leaked death scene was hilarious.. I had some hope for it. 17:57 < RangerZ> I hate to give gamestop some credit, but their CEO made a good point... digital prices _are_ falling too fast for brick & mortor stores to keep up with anything other than brand new games 17:57 < RangerZ> rattle: I'll watch it when i'm bored some time, not expecting anything 17:58 < RangerZ> as long as it is better than pineapple express... 17:58 < RangerZ> that fucking sucked 17:58 <@oddball> RangerZ: I'm guessing it also fell on its face 17:59 < _NSAKEY> It's not as terrible as I thought, but it's still a bad movie. 18:03 <@oddball> Wow... Franco is really pushing his LotR fandom. 18:04 < _NSAKEY> It doesn't stop there. 18:04 < _NSAKEY> Neither does the gay innuendo. 18:17 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47 <@Evilpig> oddball: I laughed my butt off at it. the opening with the little korean girl just about made me piss myself 18:47 <@Bahhumbug> Mirage: If you have bash installed you can use the internal pseudo devices for "/dev/tcp" to get a remote file. 18:48 <@oddball> Yeah... it's definately your kind of movie. 18:49 <@Evilpig> I might just watch that again now actually 18:52 <@Evilpig> and eminem coming out of the closet? ROFL 18:57 <@oddball> yeah... that was kind of awesome. 19:11 <@Evilpig> oddball: hate us cause they anus 19:13 <@oddball> yep 19:14 <@oddball> fucking Katy Perry. 19:14 <@Evilpig> we were wondering how much money she made off this movie 19:14 <@oddball> heh 19:23 <@oddball> The puppy! 19:27 <@Evilpig> "hi little fatty" 19:29 <@Evilpig> haha "this gum has no flavor. your gum tastes like shit!" 19:35 <@Evilpig> hehe cunt punt that fuckin' bitch! 19:44 -!- _NSAKEY [~nsakey@static.38.19.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:44 -!- _NSAKEY [~nsakey@static.38.19.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #se2600 20:50 <@oddball> "I'm hoping you realize what an incredibly stupid idea that is. 20:50 <@oddball> " 21:34 < aestetix> vagina 23:39 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:48 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Sat Dec 27 00:00:25 2014