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00:00 < aestetix> where is taht push coming from
00:00 < RangerZ2> vermont
00:00 < RangerZ2> they aren't going to go forward b/c thats the cost
00:00 < aestetix> is that bernie sanders?
00:00 < RangerZ2> no, state level
00:00 < aestetix> oh
00:01 < aestetix> so do they want to make a 50 hour work week?
00:01 < RangerZ2> "Launching Green Mountain Care, which was likened to Medicare for all, would have required a double-digit percentage payroll tax on businesses and as much as a 9.5 percent assessment on individuals’ incomes to pay the premiums."
00:01 < RangerZ2> thankfully only for 'system critical' employees
00:02 < RangerZ2> those grunts who keep servers up and running
00:02 < RangerZ2> (completely making up the 'system critical' part... but.... I wouldn't be surprised if thats the actual language that shows up
00:04 < RangerZ2> basically 'computer people' seem to always be the brunt of these 'discussions'
00:05 < aestetix> you know
00:05 < aestetix> I'd be ok with paying more taxes for health care
00:05 < aestetix> if I actually got decent health care and not this abortion of a health insurance system
00:05 < RangerZ2> ONLY 11% ? sure I'd pay that
00:05 < RangerZ2> hands  down
00:05 < RangerZ2> because you already pay that much to insurance companies
00:06 < RangerZ2> just 'companies' pay it
00:06 < aestetix> RangerZ2: waht do you think of a flat tax
00:06 < RangerZ2> horrible idea
00:06 < RangerZ2> a 'flat progressive tax' though...
00:06 < RangerZ2> at 0$ its 1% and a straight line up to 40% at 10million a year
00:06 < RangerZ2> THAT seems to be 'ok'
00:07 < RangerZ2> I ran the numbers on the BLS stats once
00:07 < RangerZ2> but I need MUCH more data to do it properly
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00:11 < RangerZ2> b/c it was 'averages' and what not
00:11 < RangerZ2> hard to tell
00:11 < RangerZ2> MY excel speedsheet was sickening
00:11 < RangerZ2> I had columns out to something like aabe or something
00:11 < aestetix> you know
00:11 < aestetix> I would be ok with paying 40% of my income to tax
00:11 < aestetix> if I got anything useful for it.
00:11 < aestetix> like health care
00:11 < aestetix> the number of hours I spent on hold and/or fighting with health insurance companies along makes up the difference
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00:11 < aestetix> and having to send things certified mail recieipt so they can't lie and say they never got it
00:11 < aestetix> (had that happen several times)
00:12 < RangerZ2> ohhh nice... the "overtime push" is actually good news...
00:13 < RangerZ2> apparently Obama could just sign an executive order raising the pay limit for overtime pay to 69k
00:13 < RangerZ2> and changing the 'exemptions' to maybe not include 'managers' , etc
00:14 < RangerZ2> apparently thats another one of those things that congress has given the power to the presidency
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01:17 < aestetix> man
01:17 < aestetix> setting up a chromium sync srver is kind of a pain
01:49 <@Dagmar> All remote synchronisation hubs are complex.
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02:01 <@northrup> aestetix: I haven't checked in a while - I d idn't think they had a server package out
02:26 < RangerZ> yeah, I didn't know they had a server package out
02:27 <@northrup> I don't think there is, I've been half-assed looking for about 10 minutes now
02:33 < RangerZ> apparently there is [You can use the command line flag --sync-url="<your server here>" if you want to sync against your own server. The chromium repository has a python server written as an example of the protocol (chromiumsync.py). That said, there are no plans to expose this via the sync setup page.]
02:37 <@northrup> yeah - and that's just shitty
02:38 <@northrup> I mean, yeah - I could write a shell scrypt that calls Chrome with the flag... but I think it's just shitty that they don't give an option
02:38 <@northrup> Firefox used to have an option to run your own as well, with them providing the open source for it
02:38 <@northrup> then they borked it and removed the option to use your own server in version 20 or 21 I think
02:44 < RangerZ> I'd love to have my own private server too, also the command line flags are easy to setup on windows even
02:46 < RangerZ> http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/sync
02:47 < RangerZ> it just uses fucking XMPP
02:47 < RangerZ> for pub/sub mechanics
03:14 < aestetix> RangerZ: right
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03:29 < RangerZ1> huh... think it might be a driver/software issue
03:29 < RangerZ1> might need to actually find a pci-e nic
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03:29 < aestetix> wait chromium just uses XMPP?
03:29 < aestetix> basically
03:30 < aestetix> I like the idea of syncing bookmarks/tabs
03:30 < aestetix> but not to a server I don't own/control
03:35 < aestetix> btw unrelated
03:35 < aestetix> http://rainbow.chard.org/2013/02/19/thunderbird-high-cpu/
03:36 < aestetix> zomg Bahhumbug for once it wasn't some disgusting link
03:36 < aestetix> unless you don't like mozilla
03:37 <@Bahhumbug> Eat a dick, aestetix.  Highlighting me for the express purpose of pushing buttons is sure to end poorly in the long-run.
03:37 <@Bahhumbug> On another note, fuck python.
03:40 < aestetix> wow
03:40 < aestetix> Thunderbird's CPU usage dies when I enable "work offline"
03:40 < aestetix> and jumps right back up when I disable it
04:00 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: what about python is worth fucking ?
04:00 < RangerZ1> well other than all of it?
04:00 < RangerZ1> lol
04:08 <@Bahhumbug> I'm packaging pyusb for EL5/6/7 and it's just a fucking annoyance.  It's more to do with rpm packaging than python itself, but still... fuck python.
04:31 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: so how is Centos better than Ubuntu? I've seen some differences, but nothing major. Although the packages are possibly more up to date
04:33 < RangerZ1> package management
04:34 < RangerZ1> thats 'all'
04:34 < RangerZ1> (big part of it)
04:34 < RangerZ1> plus defaults
04:34 < aestetix> so if you already basically know how to use linux, it's not much of a difference
04:34 < RangerZ1> other than bsd, all linux varients are that way
04:34 < RangerZ1> other than gentoo
04:34 < RangerZ1> which just hates you
04:34 < aestetix> lol
04:35 < RangerZ1> gentoo has a great idea
04:35 < RangerZ1> but it needs a fucking installer for human beings
04:35 < RangerZ1> i love freebsd
04:35 < RangerZ1> and portage and ports are MUCH Better than any of the crap package management we have for linux
04:36 < RangerZ1> personally I kinda love PC-BSD's PIB idea
04:36 < RangerZ1> apparently its very 'mac-like'
04:37 < RangerZ1> but PC-BSD is just a wrapper around FreeBSD, so you can use port, etc
04:43 < RangerZ1> PIBs are binary files that allow you to install an application and all its dependencies into a single directory, and then only link those things that need to be outside that dir, and it makes installing software easy as fuck
04:44 < RangerZ1> part of me wishes that linux distros would do that... (kinda 'wasteful' on disk space...) but 'ehh'
04:52 <@Bahhumbug> It's more than just wasteful of disk, it's a fucking interop nightmare.
04:53 <@Bahhumbug> Then again, it's craptastic BSD so color me unsuprised.
04:53 <@Bahhumbug> Err, unsurprised.
04:54 <@Bahhumbug> EL is a _system_; engineered and tested as such.
04:54 <@Bahhumbug> All components are guaranteed to work with all others in the system.
04:58 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I take it you like standards.
04:58 <@Bahhumbug> s/standards/standardization/
04:58 <@Bahhumbug> They are not the same.
04:59  * Bahhumbug goes to walk the mutts
04:59 < aestetix> Are you a fan of Henry Ford?
04:59 < aestetix> Remember, my religion is based on worshipping chaos :)
05:05 < RangerZ1> Hipsterism?
05:15 < aestetix> no, that's worshipping irony
05:20 < aestetix> So something just occurred to me
05:20 < aestetix> Apparently Google/Facebook/etc rank your stuff based on how much "activity" there is
05:20 < aestetix> likes, comments, etc
05:20 < aestetix> So they are directly feeding into the outrage economy
05:22 < RangerZ1> ohh... so I just remembered...
05:22 < RangerZ1> I told my one friend (she's an Indian Grad student) that I'd go with her to the NLUG when she wants to go, because otherwise the weird people would probably scare her
05:22 < RangerZ1> hehe
05:23 < RangerZ1> aestetix: look up youtube comments, and their history
05:23 < RangerZ1> EVERYONE pretty much agrees that integration with G+ killed the youtube comment system
05:23 < RangerZ1> because it doesn't list things chronologically anymore
05:24 < RangerZ1> it raises up 'talked about' things aka.... controversial stuff raises to the top
05:24 < aestetix> That has a very bad endgame
05:25 < RangerZ1> so much so that a LOT of big youtubers have just disabled comments entirely
05:25 < RangerZ1> #1 on the site....
05:25 < RangerZ1> TotalBiscuit (game reviewer)among biggest on site
05:25 < RangerZ1> and many others
05:27 < RangerZ1> pewdiepie * (couldn't think of it at first, b/c i find him annoying and don't watch him)
05:28 < RangerZ1> talks in a fake voice and makes 4million a year...
05:28 < RangerZ1> :/
05:28 < RangerZ1> fml
05:31 < RangerZ1> but yeah... I think google could face a REALLY big issue if someone (maybe yahoo or msn, or w/e) setup a really good site like youtube was at one point
05:31 < RangerZ1> a really good player
05:31 < RangerZ1> and a lot of content CREATOR choices
05:31 < RangerZ1> b/c as the creator _I_ should have the choice as to how my comments are ranked
05:37 < aestetix> The more I thnk about it the more I hate it.
05:37 < aestetix> It seems to me that a bunch of autistic geeks (Googlers) tried to impose how they *thought* social ranking should work.
05:40 < aestetix> RangerZ1: it seems that the entire "social media" economy is run on snake oil.
05:43 < RangerZ1> nope
05:43 < RangerZ1> adverts
05:43 < RangerZ1> lol
05:43 < RangerZ1> fuck if I know how twitter makes money
05:44 < RangerZ1> but I use adblock (not to block 'ads', but to block 'malware-delivery networks', and 'annoy the fuck out of a pontential customer-script delivery networks', and 'play an audio ad on a non-video based website' delivery networks')
05:45 < RangerZ1> I didn't use adblock until like 2008 or something
05:45 < aestetix> well
05:45 < RangerZ1> and when I use a computer with out it, I'm amazed at how shitty most websites look because of ads
05:45 < aestetix> the internet has turned into a machine that killed print and has not been a good replacement
05:45 < RangerZ1> i wouldn't say that
05:46 < RangerZ1> its a 'differnt kind' of replacement
05:46 < RangerZ1> not a 100% 'drop in' replacement
05:46 < RangerZ1> people posting videos of police brutality, streaming ferguson, etc
05:46 < RangerZ1> those would NEVER have happened in 'print' journalism
05:46 < aestetix> Which in turn generates more outrage
05:46 < RangerZ1> and?
05:47 < RangerZ1> thats not a BAD thing
05:47 < RangerZ1> in and of itself
05:47 < aestetix> But it doesn't lead to anything better.
05:47 < RangerZ1> you're right... MLK shouldn't have been outraged over civil rights or worker's rights
05:47 < aestetix> Because instead of processing and resolving the situation, everyone moves to the next outrage.
05:47 < RangerZ1> not true either
05:47 < RangerZ1> OWS DID change things
05:48 < RangerZ1> it got the idea back into public discussion of the "1% vs everyone else"
05:48 < RangerZ1> which is/has/been true for a long time
05:48 < RangerZ1> the outrage over ferguson and NYC has already brought some changes in the form of body cameras, and the public awareness of it
05:49 < aestetix> Do you honestly thing the Interview movie crap would be a story if it weren't for the outrage economy?
05:49 < aestetix> lol
05:49 < aestetix> they did that in Oakland years ago. But people don't realize that having the police wear cameras is one thing, releasing those videos publicly is another
05:49 < RangerZ1> so?
05:49 < RangerZ1> you're implying that something has to be 100% beneficial all the time
05:49 < RangerZ1> even medicine isn't regulated that way
05:50 < RangerZ1> of course there will be downsides, etc
05:50 < aestetix> No I'm not
05:50 < RangerZ1> yes you are
05:50 < aestetix> I'm implying I would like to read about something besides what the latest outrage is.
05:50 < RangerZ1> you're trying to find outliers
05:50 < aestetix> Or in addition to
05:50 < RangerZ1> then read about something else
05:50 < RangerZ1> thats all
05:50 < RangerZ1> news.google.com
05:51 < RangerZ1> LOTs to read about
05:51 < aestetix> Google ranks things based on outrage ;)
05:51 < RangerZ1> news
05:51 < RangerZ1> n(y)o͞oz/Submit
05:51 < RangerZ1> noun
05:51 < RangerZ1> newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events.
05:51 < RangerZ1> obviously you don't want NEWS, you want 'thought provoking info pieces'
05:52 < RangerZ1> which is fine, its called books
05:52 < RangerZ1> esp. History, Politics, Economics
05:52 < RangerZ1> lol
05:53 < RangerZ1> or sometimes long form journalism pieces
05:53 < RangerZ1> which you did NOT get in print journalism like you do today
05:53 < aestetix> Yes you did
05:53 < aestetix> They were serialized
05:54 < RangerZ1> i dunno... 10k words is a LOT of word space
05:54 < RangerZ1> but yes, you are correct there were serialized things
05:55 < RangerZ1> but my point stands, 'outrage' = reaction to news
05:55 < RangerZ1> you don't want that, so don't look at the news
05:55 < RangerZ1> also, you use social media too much
05:55 < RangerZ1> I watch the news and/or listen to it daily, but I never get in arguments online
05:55 < RangerZ1> other than in here....
05:56 < RangerZ1> lol
05:56 < aestetix> lol
05:56 < RangerZ1> its really the bubble you live in
05:56 < RangerZ1> oakland/SF/sillyValley/etc
05:56 < aestetix> thus why I'm leaving
05:56 < RangerZ1> no where else has protests like oakland has been having
05:57 < RangerZ1> and when they DO, they are peaceful, and somewhat powerful
05:57 < RangerZ1> 25 people got arrested for a 'die in' in the mall of america
05:57 < RangerZ1> for stopping shopping on the busy day (not sure 'which day' offhand)
05:58 < RangerZ1> almost every med school nationwide had a 13min 'die in' (11 min for each time michael gardner(sp?) said ' I can't breathe ' and 1min for each of two more vicitms)
05:59 < RangerZ1> http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/december/medical-students-to-hold-nationwide-%E2%80%98die-ins%E2%80%99-and-protests-wednesday-because-blac
06:00 < RangerZ1> there ARE protests going on, that ARE making powerful images, etc... just not in that 'reality distortion field' , lol (to coin a black turtleneck wearing ghost)
06:01 < RangerZ1> hell... protesters got Fracking banned in NY State
06:01 < RangerZ1> over _health_ concerns
06:02 < RangerZ1> now ...that... could have implications...
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07:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
07:41 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: where can I signup to protest people resisting arrest and attacking cops? because that is the issue in the current round of stupidity.  they can claim it's about racial injustice all they want, but at the end of the day the thing that led up to the issue were people being retarded.
07:45 < RangerZ2> sure Evilpig
07:46 < RangerZ2> so resisting arrest = death sentence?
07:46 <@Evilpig> if you don't resist, then the cops have no reason to act out either
07:46 < RangerZ2> thats fine, I didn't know we had Judge Dredds
07:46 <@Evilpig> it's one child acting out to another child acting out
07:47 < RangerZ2> hahaha
07:47 < RangerZ2> unless you're a minority
07:47 <@Evilpig> would the guy be dead right now if he hadn't resisted arrest and just cooperated with the cop?
07:47 < RangerZ2> and you're told you can be stopped and frisked for NO reason
07:47 <@Evilpig> I can be stopped and frisked damn near anytime in the city
07:47 <@Evilpig> there are signs all over the subway that say just that
07:47 < RangerZ2> sure police practices are generally written to be race neutral, but when applied...
07:48 < RangerZ2> its something like 85% were minorites
07:49 < RangerZ2> honestly, michael brown deserved to be shot (once) not multiple times from 150 feet away, or whatever distance the prosecutor doesn't want to say today
07:49 < RangerZ2> but the guy in NYC who broke up a fight didn't deserve to be arrested, or killed
07:49 <@Evilpig> if you train to shoot in two round bursts, come time fight or flight time you're gonna shoot in two round bursts
07:50 <@Bahhumbug> Oh my god.  A voice of sanity.
07:50 <@Evilpig> at this point it doesn't matter.  I'm still standing by "attack a cop, DIE!"
07:50 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.
07:51 <@Evilpig> if the guy in NY was involved in some type of fight and the cops got called.  they will detain EVERYONE INVOLVED, then let the innocent go free after they've gotten a handle on the situation
08:13 <@Dolemite> Well that was a short work day.  Wife just called and asked me to come home to watch the kids so she can go to the doctor.  She woke up with a 100 F fever.
08:15 <@Evilpig> that's how you're finally gonna get rid of her?  I thought you were more creative than that
08:18 <@Dolemite> Uh, no, not going to get rid of her, now - kids are still too young to make get a job ;)
08:24 <@Dolemite> Maybe when I get home I can work on moving the opendcim mailing list off of dreamhost
08:24 <@Dolemite> I just have that and the AFCOM lists to move and I can drop the hosting option and save $10/month
08:24 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: pong
08:26 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: I talked to you the other day
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08:34 < RangerZ2> Evilpig: you probably missed my nlug comment: "I told my one friend (she's an Indian Grad student) that I'd go with her to the NLUG when she wants to go, because otherwise the weird people would probably scare her"
08:35 < RangerZ2> lol
08:41 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: Sorry to hear that.  I hope she gets better before xmas.
08:41 <@Dolemite> I'm hoping she doesn't have the flu
08:42 <@Dolemite> Though I did wake up this morning doing a lot more coughing.  I may have grabbed it, too.
08:43 <@Evilpig> hahah http://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/harder.gif
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08:46 <@Bahhumbug> Sucks, dude.  This isn't the time you want to be sick.  Hope you both get better.
08:47 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: don't worry.  it's not the flu, you had the shot.
08:47  * Evilpig giggles
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08:53 <@Bahhumbug> heh
08:54 <@Bahhumbug> That's just mean :)
08:56 <@Evilpig> I know, right?  He got a shot to stop that shit yet ... here it is. Guess that thing is just a guess afterall.  lol
08:58 <@Bahhumbug> It's a roll of the dice and normally it's not a good roll.
08:58  * Dolemite gives Evilpig a shot of grey water.
08:58 <@Dolemite> There you go, maybe that will keep you from being full of shit. :)
08:59 <@Bahhumbug> I've never had a flu shot and I've had the flu once in the past 15 years; and my wife works in a germ factory^W^Welementary school and carries _everything_.
08:59 <@Bahhumbug> Some people are just unluckier than others when it comes to these things.
09:00 <@Dolemite> It has been bad up here this year - my son's school had 165 kids out sick last Wednesday.
09:00 <@Dolemite> We were wondering at what point they'd just call off school to keep it from spreading further
09:00 <@Bahhumbug> I've not asked my wife but I don't think here in Coffee it's been bad (yet).
09:00 <@Bahhumbug> (yet being the big bad keyword here)
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09:08 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to head back to the car
09:12 <@RangerZ> is there a nice place to go on new years in nashville?
09:12 <@Evilpig> home
09:18 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that
10:37 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh....
10:37 <@Bahhumbug> Another case of a cop beating a black man in NYC.
10:37 <@Bahhumbug> http://imgur.com/gallery/H3NPEbi
10:37 <@Evilpig> is there an irssi flag I'm not seeing for /ignore to target a network?  ie /ignore -network blah * modes
10:37 <@Evilpig> my only real complaint on the slack gateway is I keep seeing it set people +v -v 
10:37 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: did he deserve the beating?
10:38 <@Bahhumbug> Probably not.
10:38 < TheGrinch>  /help ignore
10:39 < TheGrinch> Sigh
10:39 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid Grinch
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10:41 <@Evilpig> i'm agreeing with stupid grinch
10:44 <@Bahhumbug> I'm waiting on a staffer to release an expired nick that's just as good.
10:44 <@Bahhumbug> So *pfft*
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> shapr: You're a Haskell weenie, right?
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.shellcheck.net/about.html
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11:04 <@Scrooge> There we go.
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11:23 < aestetix> wow
11:23 < aestetix> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/f/f0/Lakewood_interior.jpg
11:23 < aestetix> Apparently that's a church
11:39 <@Bahhumbug> Shitstain of a "mega-church"
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14:12 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/photos/a.151342491542569.29994.116999698310182/910492475627563/?type=1
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
14:23 < _NSAKEY> Without even clicking, is that the guy who owned MikeRoweSoft?
14:24 <@Evilpig> I don't know shit about MikeRoweSoft, it's mike rowe from dirty jobs
14:24 < _NSAKEY> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft
14:24 <@Evilpig> he's a very well spoken tv personality and all around good guy
14:25 <@Bahhumbug> He's one of the very few people on TV I'd like to meet and shoot the shit with.
14:25 <@Bahhumbug> He's also one of the smarter people on tv in any role.
14:28 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm in measurement hell now
14:28 <@Dagmar> Now I am refactoring the _entire_ HMD
14:31 < timball> HMD ?
14:32 < timball> human mint detector ?
14:32 < timball> huge money ditch ?
14:32 < timball> s/ditch/dump
14:33 <@Dagmar> Head mount display
14:33 < timball> hamster mountain detail
14:33 <@Dagmar> The very annoying thing is that now I know there will be image convergence issues
14:34 <@Dagmar> My eyes... ~65mm separation
14:34 <@Dagmar> Screen size: 106.5 mm
14:34 < timball> Dagmar: do you haz occulus ?
14:34 < timball> or is this some sort of google cardboard ?
14:34 <@Dagmar> ...meaning the optimal separation would be 53.25mm
14:34 <@Dagmar> Google Cardboard
14:34 <@Dagmar> Occulus Rift hasn't hit retail yet
14:35 < timball> Dagmar: so this "cardboard" i don't have one but i do haz a nx7 and been thinking of making one
14:35 < timball> have lenses and some bits on order and i've used laser cutter to make me cardboard
14:35 <@Dagmar> You can order a kit, or you can just order the lenses for <$10 and spend a lot of time measuring and cutting
14:35 < timball> Dagmar: measure and cut seemed easy
14:35 <@Dagmar> Dude if you have a laser cutter, get with me at the end of the week
14:35 < timball> lenses should be here today or tmrw
14:36 < timball> Dagmar: okay
14:36 < timball> laser cutter == best tool
14:36 <@Dagmar> Over here I'm freaking printing stencils on cardstock and gluing them to backing board (which comes out to about 1.5mm thick exactly)
14:36 <@Dagmar> I'll have some SVG files for you
14:36 <@Evilpig> I disagree.  screwdriver == best tool
14:36 <@Evilpig> followed closely by a claw hammer
14:36 < timball> or at least vastly superior scissors
14:37 <@Dagmar> I'm using a combination of xacto knives and box cutters
14:37 <@Dagmar> This shit ain't easy to cut
14:37 < timball> Evilpig: nope . laser cutter , angle grinder , mig welder
14:37 <@Dagmar> heh
14:37 < timball> Dagmar: nope
14:37 < timball> Dagmar: but it's a cinch w/ a laser cutter
14:37 <@Dagmar> I'm sure
14:38 < timball> surely one of the nerds down in nashville has a laser cutter by now .
14:38 < timball> like skydog ?
14:38 < timball> or any of those types ?
14:38 <@Dagmar> Not dealing with him
14:38 <@Evilpig> nothing cures road rage quite like a claw hammer.  I think i'd laugh if someone came at me dragging a laser cutter.
14:38 < timball> woah things going that well eh ?
14:38 <@Dagmar> I'm going to stick with "super fucking cheap" manufacturing methods for now
14:38 <@Evilpig> timball: skydick isn't in nashville anymore.  :P and he took his laser cutter with him
14:38 < timball> Evilpig: i will zap you from this chair
14:38 < timball> oh that's right he's in SC
14:38 < timball> but isn't there another maker space in nashvegas ?
14:39 < timball> or surely you guys can pile together $300 adn buy one
14:39 < timball> maybe it's more like $500
14:39 <@Evilpig> there isnt another right now
14:39 < timball> i'm about to buy a pick&place machine for $2k
14:39 < timball> srsly ?
14:39 < timball> wtf is wrong you w/ you people ?
14:39 <@Evilpig> and nashville2600 isn't in a position to buy jack shit after their stellar loss this year
14:40 < timball> can't Dolemite arbitrate this and fix everything ?
14:40 <@Evilpig> he's in knoxville
14:40 < timball> maybe i should get a job in nashville and show you fuckers what's up
14:40 < timball> :)
14:40 <@Evilpig> do it!
14:40 <@Dagmar> I'm kinda praying that when Google releases their devkit details for Google Cardboard that one of the things that will be adjustable will let me compensate for eye separation and screen size
14:40 <@Evilpig> then hire dagmar so he stops spending his days at home. ;)
14:40 < timball> Dagmar: uh
14:40 < timball> they did didn't they ??
14:41 <@Dagmar> THey haven't yet
14:41 < timball> or wtf am i building my shit off of ?
14:41 <@Dagmar> In the Google Cardboard app there's a thing that lets you "select your viewer" which reads a QE Code, but they've released nothing I can find about what's supposed to go into that QR code yet
14:41 <@Dagmar> s/QE/QR/
14:42 <@Dagmar> I'm basically just fudging measurements right now and knowing the convergence will be off by a bit
14:43 <@Dagmar> ...but at least I'm doing better than the fuckers who made the templated piece I bought from Amazone
14:43 < timball> Dagmar: swimmy
14:43 <@Dagmar> The divider in the middle has it's slots in the wrong place and they don't even line up properly with the nose
14:43 < timball> i'm just hoping when my lenses come back i did everything right or if i'm gonna have to cad up a new thing
14:43 <@Dagmar> I'm not bothering with the tabs
14:44 <@Dagmar> I'm just using three layers of the board for the faceplate
14:44 <@Dagmar> The middle one has holes that are 25.25mm in circumference, the rear and front pieces, 23mm
14:44 < timball> a high speed way of sending video data to nx7 so i can play slender might be a bad idea
14:44 <@Dagmar> It does hold them _perfectly_
14:44 <@Dagmar> There's actually a few screencasting apps people are using for that
14:45 < timball> yeah i figured
14:47 <@Dagmar> With the screen on the Nexus 7 being (apparently) 150mm wide, you're going to have an image convergence problem of your own
14:47 <@Dagmar> Slightly greater than mine
14:48 <@Dagmar> That size would mean the screen divides evenly into two 75mm sections, which is gonna be twice the difference I'm dealing with
14:48 <@Dagmar> Ah needz that qr code nfoz
14:49 <@Dagmar> But hey, at least the resulting resolution on the phone's display is still better than NTSC
14:49 <@Dagmar> :)
14:56 < timball> cool
14:56 < timball> what fon you use ?
15:02 <@Evilpig> a claw hammer. ;)
15:02 < timball> you get 4G w/ that thing ?
15:03 <@Evilpig> nah. but after a few whacks you're kinda glad it isn't connected.
15:29 <@Evilpig> when a coworker complains of being cold, the proper response is not "awwww, does your vagina hurt?"
15:34 < aestetix> uh
15:34 < aestetix> Evilpig: who the hell would reply with that?
15:34 <@Evilpig> me, clearly
15:34 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna call them nancy and michelle for the next week too probably
15:37 < aestetix> Dagmar: wait, there's a google Cardboard app? isn't the thing just a dinky mock VR toy?
15:37 <@Dagmar> You have to run the _app_ to split the display
15:44 < aestetix> oh boy
15:44 < aestetix> http://theantimedia.org/houston-police-orders-all-officers-turn-off-cameras-during-protest/
15:52 < aestetix> god
15:53 < aestetix> I find myself agreeing with John Schindler more and more
15:53 < aestetix> Maybe it's because he's actually a voice of reason, whereas all the rest of them are idiots.
16:05 <@ShadowHntr> anyone here looking for a sysadmin?
16:14 <@shapr> I'll pay you $5 a month!
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16:35 <@Evilpig> I'm looking for a ball warmer.
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16:40 <@Dagmar> Jesus where did Dolemite find this crazy woman
16:41 <@Dagmar> THey're all down with the fly and one of her friends is suggesting they take Oscillociccinum (which is HOMEOPATHIC) and his wife just posted that she's burning essential oils hoping to kill the flu in the house.
16:41 <@Dagmar> s/fly/flu/
16:47 <@ShadowHntr> wtf
16:47 <@ShadowHntr> here's your sign
16:51 <@Evilpig> bug dagmar... they got flu shots. :D
16:51 <@Evilpig> s/bug/but/
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17:00 <@Dagmar> Heh.
17:00 <@Dagmar> I knew there was something missing from this diagram
17:00 <@Dagmar> Classic Batman eyebrows
17:08 <@Dagmar> http://dagmar.isamotherfucking.ninja/~dagmar/cardboard/faceplate.pdf
17:17 <@Dagmar> Looks like PDF Creator took it's turn at trying to fuck me over by selecting A4 paper that time.  Fixed.
17:17 <@Dagmar> I changed the tabs to be 1.5mm deep, fixed teh everything.
17:17 < aestetix> you know
17:18 < aestetix> I'm all in favor of protecting free speech
17:18 < aestetix> But jesus why does all this drama have to be over THIS movie?
17:18 <@Dagmar> It's so we can't possibly win.
17:19 <@Dagmar> Either the idiots win and we never see the movie... or we have to watch a Seth Rogen film, and the idiots still win.
17:40 <@ShadowHntr> i'm not going to lose sleep over it
18:08 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that
18:10 <@Evilpig> HEY!  I like stupid seth rogan movies.
18:12 <@Bahhumbug> Dude... we know your taste in movies...
18:13 <@Evilpig> :D and fuck you too. heh
18:14 <@Evilpig> I laughed my butt off at "this is the end"
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> What?  You know I'm right :)
18:15 <@Evilpig> I'm not disagreeing.  I love stupid movies
18:15 <@Evilpig> dumb and dumber too was amazing
18:17 <@Bahhumbug> I do believe that you and I have a different definition of "amazing" as used above.
18:19 <@Evilpig> I jsut have a different taste in funny from y'all
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, I'll go with that.
18:39 <@Evilpig> fuckers~
18:39 <@Evilpig> !!!!
18:40 <@Evilpig> verizon people trying to get me to turn the fios on made me put pants on to answer the door
18:41 <@Evilpig> they offered me cheaper service though if I ever consider it
18:45 < aestetix> maybe if you left your pants off they'd give you free service
18:45 <@Evilpig> if verizon didn't hide their pricing online so much I might consider them seriously
18:45 <@Evilpig> getting a static from them wasn't possible before, dude told me they offer it now.
18:48 <@Evilpig> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10858441_896019323744030_5847976039861098710_n.jpg?oh=b047120d352a8181802fd153ea8ab065&oe=55361C18&__gda__=1430150304_4142fa1506153dc4bcc1958c8f16ac2c
18:49 <@Dagmar> You should have asked him about tinted addressses as well
18:49 <@Dagmar> If he says "yes" he was lying about both
18:49 <@Evilpig> I will give them this much.  they have the fastest speeds in the area.  they make comcrap look downright slow
18:49 <@Evilpig> 500/500
18:52 <@Evilpig> he did ask why I needed a static IP and my answer of because the root servers don't like cnames got a smirk, and i'm wearing one of my yahoo shirts.  hehe
18:53 < aestetix> wait
18:53 < aestetix> Evilpig: do you work from home?
18:54 < aestetix> I ask b/c I thought yahoo "cracked down" on that
18:56 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I can't do the majority of my job remotely, but some of it I will do from here
18:58 <@Evilpig> if I did upgrade to fios I would have to upgrade my firewall setup.  it's only got a 10/100 card for the external connection.  iirc my boss said they are paying roughly $150/mo for 300/300
18:59 < aestetix> vagina
18:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: is your work mostly hardware based then?
18:59 <@Evilpig> yes
18:59 < aestetix> if you were doing mostly "cloud" based stuff, would you be able to work remotely?
18:59 < aestetix> I'm just curious how much the Yahoo crackdown actually did
19:00 <@Evilpig> yahoo's policies only lightly affect us
19:00 <@Evilpig> we are still very much independant 
19:00 < aestetix> I guess yahoo wants to distance itself from the porn blogs :p
19:16 <@Shadow404> hmmm
19:16 <@Shadow404> yahoo cracked down on porn?
19:17 <@Shadow404> hrm, most of my groups are still online
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20:16 <@Evilpig> dear god... fuckin' coworker
20:16 <@Evilpig> he just ran a bios update remotely via an ssh session on flakey wireless
20:17 <@Evilpig> all because he didn't read the screen that said "Continue: Y/N"  he just pounded Y without a thought
20:34 <@Bahhumbug> Yay for houseplants!
20:34 <@Bahhumbug> Oh.  Wait.
20:40 <@Evilpig> he's just young and apparently isn't scared shitless by a rom flash like he should be
20:43 <@Bahhumbug> He'll learn.
20:44 <@Bahhumbug> Painfully, granted.  But it's still learning.
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> EZTV is back!
20:46 <@Evilpig> I had to explain to him today why chmod 777 is ridiculous and he shouldn't ever do it and he should break himself of th filfthy habit immediately
20:51 < aestetix> http://thepiratebay.se/
20:51 < aestetix> wtf is this
20:51 <@Evilpig> I do believe that is them saying they are gonna launch something
20:52 <@Evilpig> in two weeks
20:52 <@Evilpig> what's the code decrypt to?
20:52 < aestetix> the AES key is throwing me off
20:52 < aestetix> I assume it's aes because of the filename
20:52 <@Evilpig> <div class="thacode"><img src="/aes.png" width="650" /></div>
20:53 <@Bahhumbug> It's aes, yes.
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> No one seems to know what tpb is going to do at this point.
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> There is mountains of speculation and nothing concrete.
20:57 < aestetix> the server is based in moldova
21:03 <@Evilpig> email from neteng to the dc crew "A small shipment for me will be coming to the DC hopefully tomorrow. I don't have tracking info, but when it arrives please handle it with care."
21:03 <@Evilpig> my response.  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e2jpYpQUg9A/TxVeQD4r5GI/AAAAAAAAbME/sBDw42QlRdE/s1600/am+dad+shake.gif  "I'm on it!"
21:12 <@Bahhumbug> the "server" in question is nothing but a frontend load-balancer.
21:12 <@Bahhumbug> At least according the many various rumors making the rounds.
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21:57 <@Evilpig> racial profiling, or not to assume this dude doesn't have a legally registered to him gun?  http://fox17.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/man-accused-pulling-gun-after-getting-wrong-mcdonalds-order-25356.shtml
21:58 <@Shadow404> food is serious business
22:03 <@Evilpig> $1 for that mcdouble. how dare they
22:10 < aestetix> hmmm
22:11 < aestetix> this is from the piratebay's server headers
22:11 < aestetix> Server: lighttpd/2.0.0
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22:41 < aestetix> man
22:41 < aestetix> I love seeing lines like this in log files
22:41 < aestetix> /usr/share/nginx/html/w00tw00t.at.blackhats.romanian.anti-sec
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23:56 <@northrup> Evilpig: Whaaaa?? don't chmod 777 things? Where's your peace, love, and happiness man... share the love!
23:58 < RangerZ1> northrup: make sure your shadow file is 777 too
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