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00:49 < RangerZ1> oddball: don't bother with the "outdoor lights" at opryland
00:49 < RangerZ1> like 20 trees total
00:49 < RangerZ1> you can see a better version of by driving down 155
00:49 < RangerZ1> lol
00:50 < RangerZ1> (plus no lies about Yule being called Christmas because of baby, etc) being blasted out speakers at you
00:58 < aestetix> fucking hell
00:58 < aestetix> isohunt is gone
01:10 < RangerZ1> http://isohunt.to/ ?
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09:02 <@Evilpig> domain squatter contacted me about se2600.com and thinks that $175 is a fair offer
09:16 <@Bahhumbug> Did you tell the douchebag to choke on a knife?
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09:23 <@Evilpig> I gave him a counter offer of $10 or fuck off
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12:45 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: the ONLY good part of the TPP would be squashing domain squatters via treaty
12:45 < RangerZ1> just like how redcross.com was just 'taken' by the fed. gov't after katrina
12:45 < RangerZ1> etc
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15:02 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: I'm lost. Don't you own se2600.com?
15:02 < _NSAKEY> It points to se2600.org and your name is all over the whois...
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15:17 < RangerZ1> so... steam is fucked right now
15:17 < RangerZ1> lol
15:17 < RangerZ1> I can't legit buy a game I was going to, lol
15:23 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: LOL  so I actually do own it and they are offering to sell me my own domain.  I didn't even look I just assumed it was like phreaknic.com
15:25 < _NSAKEY> That's rich.
15:25 <@Bahhumbug> I'm surprised you're not hearing about phreaknic.com since the renewal is 1/5/2015
15:26 <@Evilpig> I'm not on the whois anymore
15:26 <@Evilpig> with they way they spent money this year $2000 for a domain is probably a reasonable offer to them
15:27 <@Bahhumbug> They need $2000 to spend $2000.
15:28 <@Evilpig> they didn't have $6000 to spend but did anyway
15:28 <@Bahhumbug> Well... there _is_ that.
16:06 <@Dagmar> Well, they signed an obligation to pay that
16:06 <@Dagmar> ...which probably woudln't have been possible had their been a credit check
16:06 < aestetix> http://gawker.com/justine-sacco-is-good-at-her-job-and-how-i-came-to-pea-1653022326
16:15 <@Evilpig> I wonder if I have any non-expired milk in the fridge
16:19 <@Bahhumbug> I'm going with "no".
16:25 <@Evilpig> that's probably the safe bet
16:25 <@Evilpig> guess I shoudl go check.   I really want some mac and cheese
16:26 <@Evilpig> bah!  it's only expired by a week...
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16:56 <@Dagmar> Ah just scoop the lumps out
16:57 <@Dagmar> ...because things less dumb than that are why I've got a partial tolerance to botulist toxin
16:59 <@Evilpig> I think this is beyond lump scooping.  the carton is kinda buldging a little.  heh
17:00 <@Dagmar> Oooo outgassing
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17:39 <@Dagmar> Jesus
17:39 <@Dagmar> Some dude has a kickstarter for a hoodie tailored to alcoholics
17:40 <@Evilpig> liquor pouch sewn in?
17:42 <@Dagmar> Insulating hand grips, and an insulating breast pocket, bottle opener on the zipper pull
17:43 <@Dagmar> I feel like, if you need to start altering your clothing because of your drinking habits, it's time to start taking a good look at yourself.
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17:46 <@Evilpig> hipsters will buy anything
17:49 <@Bahhumbug> Can I sell them a bag of air?
18:00 <@Evilpig> yes actually
18:00 <@Dickie> Put a bird on it
18:00 <@Evilpig> they call them oxygen bars
18:01 <@Dickie> omfg that's real
18:02  * Dickie kills himself
18:06 <@Evilpig> Dickie: http://www.waitingtoinhale.com/
18:08 <@Dagmar> There actually was one around here
18:08 <@Evilpig> wasn't there one in opry mills for a while?
18:09 <@Dagmar> Possibly.  I know there was one in Printer's Alley as well
18:10 <@Dagmar> ...but not even in Printer's Alley can you do something that dumb and survive unless titties are involved.
18:10 <@Bahhumbug> It's actually pot smoke you're inhaling, right?
18:10 <@Dagmar> Nope
18:10 <@Bahhumbug> Plain old air?
18:10 <@Bahhumbug> And people spent money on this?
18:10 <@Dagmar> Bottled oxygen supplements.
18:10 <@Dagmar> Precisely like old people with emphysema use
18:11 <@Dagmar> ...and some light perfuming
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> ...
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> I'm in the wrong line of work.
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> I should be fleecing America.
18:11 <@Dagmar> The site that had it was where we were holding goth night for awhile
18:12 <@Dagmar> The oxygen bar folded, and left the equipment behind.
18:12 <@Dagmar> There were dudes who used to huff head cleaner who thought it was weird.
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18:14 <@Dagmar> I did get to see the club owner say "Man... I have watched you inhale butane out of a plastic bag, and you *won't* try that machine?"
18:14 <@Dagmar> Mind you it was like 15 years ago when he last did it, but I'd seem him do it too
18:15 <@Dagmar> The apparatus tries _so hard_ to make it look like you're not just inhaling air
18:48 < aestetix> so it turns out that in the US, it is possible for a company to keep you employed while dropping your health insurance
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19:18 <@Dagmar> Yep.
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22:49 < RangerZ2> so part of me thinks that it should be legal to "resist arrest" if you feel that the arrest is illegal , as long as you don't strike the cop or ...something...
23:03 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2pvx53/eli5_the_millennial_generation_appears_to_be_so/
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> Let me know how that works out for you, RangerZ2.
23:11 < aestetix> Oh wow
23:11 < aestetix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization
23:11 < aestetix> This is interesting
23:12 < RangerZ2> Bahhumbug: the thought behind it is refusing to be arrested for an illegal arrest
23:12 < RangerZ2> which would make the officer liable for arresting action
23:12 <@Bahhumbug> You don't get to "refuse to be arrested".
23:12 < RangerZ2> i know
23:12 < RangerZ2> which is why I said "that it should be legal"
23:12 <@Bahhumbug> No, it should not be.
23:13 < aestetix> RangerZ2: if you feel the arrest is legal, fight it in court.
23:13 <@Bahhumbug> And it befuddles me that someone with your intellect would think this a good thing to have.
23:13 < aestetix> er, illegal
23:14 < RangerZ2> I said (carefully) that you shouldn't strike the officer, etc, so if the officer PUSHES it and arrests you, you have to accept
23:14 < RangerZ2> but you have the right to say that you think the arrest is illegal, and if the officer continues they are legally responsible
23:14 < RangerZ2> s/should have/have
23:15 < RangerZ2> make it a CRIME to arrest someone improperly, and it'll bring some balance to the policing
23:16 < RangerZ2> (only part of a solution) but something worth thinking about
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> No it won't.  It will be a civil offense, not criminal, and it would just tie up the dockets more than they already are.  You could push for an extension on illegal restraint laws already on the books but that's a huge stretch.
23:19 < aestetix> uh
23:19 < aestetix> it IS a crime to arrest someone wrongfully
23:19 < aestetix> However, you need to demonstrate it was wrongful in court
23:19 < aestetix> Just like you'd argue any other case
23:20 < aestetix> That said, a bunch of circumstances apply..... like how long you were held, etc
23:20 < aestetix> wow am I actually agreeing with Bahhumbug?
23:22 < RangerZ2> ok, perhaps I should refine it, and if the person lodges a formal complaint the arresting officer recieves jailtime if the arrest was indeed wrongful
23:24 < RangerZ2> too many cases where police don't actually know the law, and "do whatever the fuck they want" , minimum jail times in general aren't a good idea... but in a case like this.... 2x the length of time the person was held for , minimum 5 days.
23:24 < RangerZ2> etc...
23:25 < aestetix> So if I understand this page
23:25 < aestetix> Financialization seems to be the converting of things like commodities to financial tools
23:26 < aestetix> So rather than trading 5 bushels of grapes, trading on the value of 5 bushels of grapes
23:26 < aestetix> which is a VERY different thing
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23:29 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ2: You will have cops walking out in masse; as in entire departments walking a picket line.  Your idea will never, ever fly.
23:30 < RangerZ2> no
23:31 < RangerZ2> i know that
23:31 < RangerZ2> never expected it to
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23:31 < RangerZ2> aestetix: you should look into 'dirivitives'
23:31 < RangerZ2> instead of a bet on if a stock will raise or fall
23:31 < RangerZ2> its bets on HOW FAST a stock will raise or fall
23:31 < RangerZ2> aka.... the derivitive (math term)
23:32  * aestetix nods
23:32 < aestetix> I am
23:32 < aestetix> The thing is
23:32 < aestetix> financialization is actually against Objectivism
23:32 < RangerZ2> w/e its all against the 'common class'
23:32 < RangerZ2> aka 'most people'
23:32 < aestetix> that is, treating money as a commodity, rather than a tool of exchange
23:33 < RangerZ2> ehh
23:33 < RangerZ2> i really don't know much about that
23:33 < aestetix> basically it's from the whole speech about the nature of money in Atlas Shrugged
23:33 < RangerZ2> though I have been looking into 'minority unions' (nothing about race) but unions that can exist with less than 50% membership
23:34 < RangerZ2> and TN is fucking in an uproar over them
23:34 < RangerZ2> b/c VM just allowed a minority union in its Chatt. plant
23:34 < aestetix> what is a minority union?
23:34 <@Bahhumbug> Good.
23:34 < RangerZ2>  unions that can exist with less than 50% membership
23:34 <@Bahhumbug> More unions++
23:35 < aestetix> 50% of what
23:35 < RangerZ2> employees
23:35 < RangerZ2> do you know what a "union" is?
23:35 < RangerZ2> lol
23:35 < aestetix> yes
23:35 <@Bahhumbug> Apparently... no.
23:35 < aestetix> But do you mean of a company's employees
23:35 < aestetix> or of a type of work
23:35 < RangerZ2> non-salary employees
23:35 <@Bahhumbug> eligble membership
23:35 < aestetix> IE teachers union, versus teachers at this school union
23:35 < RangerZ2> thats how unions work
23:35 <@Bahhumbug> ie. non-management.
23:35 < RangerZ2> VW
23:36 < RangerZ2> they make cars
23:36 < RangerZ2> so UAW
23:36  * aestetix nods
23:36 < aestetix> Honestly I think we need to bring unions back
23:36 <@Bahhumbug> Christ.
23:36 < aestetix> because companies are turning into assholes
23:36 <@Bahhumbug> I agree with it.
23:36 < RangerZ2> minority unions ARE bringing them back
23:36 <@Bahhumbug> I am quite apparently not stoned enough if I'm agreeing with it.
23:36  * Bahhumbug &
23:36 < aestetix> lol
23:37 <@Evilpig> fuck unions, eliminate career politicians and lobbiests
23:37 < aestetix> but for examlpe
23:37 < RangerZ2> b/c it eliminates the "only" talking point that anit-union people have used for years (decades?) is that people not in the union shouldn't have to pay union fees
23:37 < aestetix> I would be in favor of a union demanding that walmart gave employees health benefits
23:37 < RangerZ2> aestetix: walmart empoloyees DO get health benefits
23:37 < RangerZ2> as long as you work 38 hours a week
23:37 < aestetix> heh
23:38 < RangerZ2> so walmart just doesn't schedule anyone oer 32hrs a week
23:38 < RangerZ2> lol
23:38 < aestetix> right
23:38 < aestetix> just like "with COBRA you can keep your health insurance, provided you can pay for it"
23:39 < aestetix> of course they don't have a response for "and what if my COBRA payment is more than my unemployment?"
23:39 < aestetix> or like.... a retail workers union
23:39 < aestetix> the job sucks, and the pay sucks. but man some of the tricks retail stores pull to fuck employees on money
23:40 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fx9s97408I
23:40 < RangerZ2> this guy was REALLY convincing
23:40 < RangerZ2> [Majority Report 12/17/14 - Thomas Geoghegan: Why America Needs a New Kind of Labor Movement]
23:41 < RangerZ2> and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofy5GxRfQKI  [Majority Report 12/11/14 - Stanley Aronowitz: The Death and Life of American Labor]
23:43 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600
23:43 < RangerZ2> ok... so... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ofy5GxRfQKI#t=1188
23:43 < RangerZ2> skipped BS intro
23:45 < aestetix> I should leave a disgusting link for Bahhumbug to see when he gets back
23:46 < aestetix> hmm
23:46 < aestetix> I wonder if there's an irc plugin that will let you email someone from the channel
23:47 < aestetix> that way I could continue to send Corydon questions
23:55 < RangerZ2> why bother with IRC
23:55 < RangerZ2> just email him directly
23:55 < RangerZ2> and leave us the FUCK out of it
23:56 < RangerZ2> http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2014/12/18/cyberattack-on-german-iron-plant-causes-widespread-damage-report/
23:56 < RangerZ2> damn... 'furnaces' at an iron plant can cost millions
23:56 < RangerZ2> and take up to a year to replace
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