--- Log opened Tue Dec 16 00:00:16 2014
00:18 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/PNckYKM.gif
00:18 < aestetix> wtf is up with the south
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00:24 < RangerZ3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgpGyRbuaRg lol
00:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mexican Pilot Relieved Of Command After Sharing His Cockpit - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:27 < RangerZ3> ok... so... I get the sinking suspicion that comcast is up to lvl 4 shenanigans
00:28 < RangerZ3> b/c youtube and other sites, have been messing up in 'odd' ways, parts of pages just not loading
00:28 < RangerZ3> etc
00:29 <@Dagmar> Coul dbe
00:29 < aestetix> I am getting better at government speak
00:30 < aestetix> The practice of subtly throwing someone under the bus, veiled as a suggesting to make a process work better
00:32 < aestetix> Although I'm pretty convinced that most government people are too incompetent to fully embrace that art.
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01:20 < RangerZ> aestetix: nah, they are just compitent in being layers
01:21 < RangerZ> our system doesn't push any other field into politics, other than "business men"
01:21 < RangerZ> and we all saw how well that worked for 999-Pizza-man and MrRoboto last time... lol
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02:11 < RangerZ> yep, all Shadow404's fault
02:38 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9wxyDrud4 steam fucking up... :/
02:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ultraviolent Game Hatred REMOVED from Steam Greenlight - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:44 < RangerZ> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html
02:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Official Google Blog: Microsofts Bing uses Google search resultsand denies it (at googleblog.blogspot.com)
02:45 < RangerZ> wow... google just calling out Bing
02:45 < RangerZ> like 'fuck you mean'
02:45 < RangerZ> man*
02:50 <@Dagmar> Note the year
02:53 < RangerZ> yeah, but I still found amusing
02:53 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVwHCGAr_OE this just came out, which is why I happend upon that other link
02:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google - Year in Search 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:57 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'm kinda amused, apparently my civic has a tow hitch accessory
02:57 < RangerZ> can tow up to 200 Pound Tongue Weight
02:57 < RangerZ> 2000 Pound Towing
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07:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:40 <@Evilpig> i'll be0tch your ho
07:46 <@Evilpig> bah!  damn neteng.  "we need this now"  ...  their request is cable this server for some ospf testing and doesn't have any details on where the additional cables need to be run to.
07:47 <@Evilpig> emailed them yesterday before I went home saying we need this info to get this done now and they didn't update the ticket or email a response back.  later this morning this is gonna become an emergency
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07:56 <@Dolemite> been there, done that
07:57 <@Dolemite> Just got off the phone with my boss asking about why I haven't prioritized a cluster installation that nobody has asked me to prioritize.  Apparently they went to their boss to schedule a meeting with my boss but forgot to ask me to do anything, so this should be interesting.
08:02 <@Evilpig> lol
08:03 <@Dolemite> I had 4 new equipment requests entered in on the same day from 2 different people, so I emailed them and their boss to let them know that it would be a while because I already had a previously scheduled install this week and then with reduced staff over the two weeks of holidays, we'd have less capacity...   but nobody responded to say, 'Hey, do this one first.'
08:03 <@Evilpig> a vender that sends candy at christmas is a good thing.  a vender that sends see's suckers... is that a backhanded compliment or sorts?  it's a gift but at teh same time a fuck you
08:04 <@Dolemite> I work for the gubment, so I get nothing from vendors as that would be a conflict of interest
08:04 <@Dolemite> They could at least send me a beer
08:04 <@Dolemite> or 50
08:04 <@Evilpig> I can send you some suckers.
08:04 <@Evilpig> I'm not touching those things
08:04 <@Dolemite> ha
08:04 <@Dolemite> I've still got a giant bowl of halloween candy at home
08:05 <@Dolemite> Plus Pamela made a crapload of candy yesterday, and not enough peanut butter fudge
08:05 <@Dolemite> btw, have you played Civ:Beyond Earth much, yet?
08:06 <@Evilpig> is it just because i'm from california and i'm jaded toward these things or they really as bad as I think?
08:06 <@Dolemite> You may be jaded.  I don't recall much more than basic ambivelence towards See's Candies.
08:06 <@Evilpig> yes. I played it when it first came out a few times.  the research stuff is really beating on me pretty good still.  I have it on the macbook now but haven't had time to really mess with it
08:06 <@Evilpig> have you had their chocolate suckers though?
08:07 <@Evilpig> the rest of the stuff i'm good with.  it's just these nasty suckers
08:07 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ullfsd76300hoa0/Photo%20on%2012-15-14%20at%202.07%20PM%20%232.jpg?dl=0
08:07 <@Evilpig> btw we got a label printer setup
08:07 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I finally managed to get the hang of having a positive health settlement, but you're right, the research is major complicated
08:08 <@Evilpig> worked out nice because our current printer label printer downstairs has cable label support and csv import capabilities
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08:08 <@Dolemite> which printer did you go with?
08:09 <@Evilpig> it's a brother.  one sec
08:09 <@Evilpig> we already had it and we figured out how to make it do this other
08:09 <@Evilpig> PT-9800PCN
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09:04 <@Evilpig> hrmm.  where the hell is floyd?
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09:45 <@ignotus-sdf> isn't THIS a whirling dervish.....
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10:05 < aestetix> well that was a fun lesson in how not to use openvpn
10:06 <@Mirage> ?
10:07 < aestetix> I set it up wrong so that new clients disconnected each other
10:08 <@Mirage> and that's a problem?   sounds like fun to me
10:10 <@Evilpig> lol
10:10 <@Evilpig> that would only be a little fun because you could see it happening but not hear them yelling when they got disconnected
10:11 <@CRasH180> I can hear a collective, "WHAT THE HELL?!"
10:11 <@ignotus-sdf> I think a conference call would be in order, just for your enjoyment.
10:15 < aestetix> haha
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11:32 <@Evilpig> i'd like to take a minute here to say FUCK GPT
11:32 <@Evilpig> like seriously...
11:33 <@Evilpig> larger disk support is awesome but this partitioning nonsense is stupid.  I just went in to break a software raid and in the past i'd just hit up fdisk and set the type to extX
11:34 <@Evilpig> can't do it with parted
11:44 <@CRasH180> You can't remove hte paritition with parted?
11:48 <@CRasH180> s/hte/the
11:53 <@Evilpig> you can remove it, you can't change it
11:53 <@Evilpig> you can't change the type 
12:10 <@Mirage> Yeah, I dumped RHEL7 for my server migration at home and just stuck with RHEL6, laregly because of the partition management
12:41 <@CRasH180> That is not right
13:11 <@Dagmar> Easier solution: Stop using partitions.
13:11 <@Dagmar> On a UEFI/BIOS board, you need one to boot.  _That's it._
13:11 <@Dagmar> One.
13:12 < oddball> I thought you were the one that liked to set up 10,000 partitions for your linux boxes.
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13:13 <@CRasH180> That is not hardly enough partitions
13:13 <@Dagmar> I do.
13:13 <@Dagmar> However, _oartitions_ are now obsolete.
13:13 <@Dagmar> Use LVM.
13:32 <@Dagmar> Oh god the colors
13:32 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153449944887576
13:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
13:41 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: this is all automated stuff and the partitions are just simple.
13:41 <@Evilpig> yes I know you can automate lvm
13:43 < RangerZ> Evilpig: are you going to the holiday party as red-santa?
13:43 <@Evilpig> nah.  I have some nice clothes out in the truck
13:44 <@Evilpig> tanya just got the okay to wear jeans and a sweater even though everything said "cocktail attire"
13:45 < RangerZ> you should send a company email explaining that you're from KY, and that "cocktail attire means butt naked"
13:45  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
13:45 < aestetix> how goes
14:03 <@Mirage> RangerZ: and generally includes farm animals
14:07 < RangerZ> Mirage: yeah, but i figured he might not want to admit that in public
14:08 < _NSAKEY> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57y1Ryr66cM
14:08 < RangerZ> they don't need to know the REAL reason why he got the name 'Evil(to)pig"
14:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cards Against Humanity Bullshit Unboxing - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:09 <@Mirage> Evilpig: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HWOMLU
14:11 <@Mirage> RangerZ: based on this, i doubt it would be much of a suprise.  http://www.therightperspective.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/New_Jersey_Map.jpg
14:12 < aestetix> Man everything is on fire.
14:12 < aestetix> We *have* had periods in world history where there was some semblance of everyone not killing each other, right?
14:14 < RangerZ> woot, our chapter proposal got accepted
14:14 < RangerZ> aestetix: no
14:14 < RangerZ> until the end of WW2, ~1million people died a year in war conflicts
14:14 <@Mirage> aestetix: lol
14:14 < aestetix> how many die now?
14:15 < aestetix> it just seems like it has gotten worse
14:15 < RangerZ> ~10,000 /year or so I think
14:15 < aestetix> or maybe the media coverage allows it to carry more
14:15 < RangerZ> until iraq at least
14:15 < RangerZ> 'after' that... maybe 25k/yr
14:16 < RangerZ> but really, NOT 'many'
14:16 < RangerZ> ISIS probably took it up a noth
14:16 < aestetix> you know
14:16 < RangerZ> notch*
14:16 < aestetix> 25k is a lot
14:16 < RangerZ> not compared to 1m
14:16 < aestetix> really more than 0 is a lot
14:16 < RangerZ> not really
14:16 < aestetix> You wouldn't be saying that if you were in the number :p
14:16 < RangerZ> i'm not 'pro-war' but i'm being a realist
14:17 < RangerZ> correct, I also wouldn't be going to go take a nap either
14:18 < RangerZ> Neil deGrass Tyson's piece about how only 3 things have ever driven people to invest 1) king 2) religion 3) materials, holds true for wars too
14:19 < RangerZ> religious wars are just that... BS reasons for wars
14:19 < RangerZ> if you think its alright to go to war over religion, then I don't really care if you die
14:19 < RangerZ> now... INNOCENTS in the area(s) you are fighting in... thats different
14:20 < RangerZ> but the globe is going to have the same thing that has happened to the USA
14:20 < RangerZ> non-religious move away from the religious
14:20 <@Dagmar> How about shooting up schools?
14:20 <@Dagmar> ...because apparently the Taliban just did that.
14:20 < aestetix> mass consumerism and complacency?
14:20 <@Dagmar> Over 120 people killed.
14:21 < RangerZ> Dagmar: obviously those people are children and not able to make decisios for themselves
14:21 < RangerZ> so therefore innocents
14:21 <@Dagmar> They *really* make me want to use the phrase "sand n******"
14:21 <@Dagmar> It just doesn't carry _enough_ hate
14:22 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/now-trending/More-than-130-killed-in-Taliban-shooting-of-Pakistan-military-school-285956761.html
14:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: More than 130 killed in Taliban shooting of Pakistan military school - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
14:22 < aestetix> RangerZ: wht precisely happend in the US that's going to migrate out?
14:23 < RangerZ> huh? I don't get what you mean, the migration process has already happened and is continuing, everyone who isn't a bible thumper is moving to the cities basically
14:23 < RangerZ> mind you there is 'cross over'
14:24 < RangerZ> where people just want to be 'out in the middle of no where', or bible thumpers living in the city, etc
14:24 <@shapr> good afternoon?
14:24 < aestetix> I'm curious if that will be the case in 50 years
14:24 <@shapr> aestetix: VAINA
14:24 < aestetix> shapr: penisbreath
14:24 <@Dagmar> After my 'THIS IS A CLASS PROBLEM' post, so far... no one's been stupid enough to call me a racist to my face.
14:24 <@shapr> not like I've seen a vaina in ...
14:24 <@shapr> dang, I've lost count of the months
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...but someone came *real* close by citing a MotherJones article at me
14:25 < RangerZ> but look at the election map, if you want to know if a county will be democratic, look at minorty population, and if it has a university in it
14:25 <@Dagmar> I was nice about it
14:25 < RangerZ> ohio and NC 'state univ' = blue, otherwise red
14:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'm not sure what you're suggesting.
14:26 <@Dagmar> shapr: I hear ya.  If it weren't for the occasional poorly-chosen public art piece I wouldn't even remember what one looks like.
14:26 < aestetix> Are you saying over time they will all become "democrats"?
14:26 < RangerZ> no
14:26 <@shapr> Dagmar: hah... ouch :-/
14:26 < RangerZ> I'm saying that democrats will be that way ... and MOVE to the cities, etc
14:26 <@Dagmar> I suspect the political changes are occuring because of intelligence.
14:27 <@Dagmar> Not that I'm saying Republicans are stupid, but that the areas where Republicans hold sway seems to be areas where intelligence isn't valued very much.
14:27 < RangerZ> and evangelicals will move out of cities, b/c they don't want to be 'near the gays'
14:27 <@Dagmar> ...and the Republicans more and more are becoming the party of the idiotic one-liner.
14:27 < RangerZ> look, "the south" is already the butt of every possible joke
14:28 <@Dagmar> Prop 1 in Tennessee... where was it acceptable?
14:28 < aestetix> I'd argue that actual republicans are very intelligent. I agree with a lot of the tenets of actual conservatives.
14:28 <@Dagmar> In exactly *no* major population centers.
14:28 < aestetix> That said, the republican PARTY is a bunch of nitwits
14:28 < RangerZ> there is 0 Democrats in The South elected to state-wide position
14:28 < RangerZ> aestetix: nitwits yes... BUT... hold political power 'for now'
14:30 < RangerZ> but the single biggest point I was pointing towards, if you had the choice to move to a more liberal or a more conservative (socially) city, which would you choose
14:30 < RangerZ> and the non-poor have that choice now
14:31 < RangerZ> and wars push the poor to move too
14:31 < RangerZ> so parts of me wish everyone other than religious nutjobs would just leave the middle east
14:32 < aestetix> and congress
14:32 < RangerZ> that way we can just put a fence around it, and have a few million sq.km. 'fitting pit'
14:32 < RangerZ> fighting*
14:32 < RangerZ> fuck... i'm tired
14:33 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvs15xzd7jpniet/2014-12-16%2014.32.55.jpg?dl=0
14:34 <@Dolemite> Heh, that works
14:34 <@Dagmar> Unrelated but bizarre: I think Neil Gaiman wins the 'goth closet' award this year
14:35 < RangerZ> ?
14:35 <@Dagmar> After their touring this year, his wife posted a thing to her blog telling him he needs to come get his clothes that got mixed up with hers over time.
14:35 <@Dagmar> That man apparently has _lost to his wife_ more black t-shirts, underwear, and socks _than I actually own_.
14:35 <@Dagmar> That's hardcore.
14:36 <@Dagmar> Either that or he's repeatedly buying more and deliberately leaving the others with her to mess with her
14:41 < RangerZ> lol
14:41 < RangerZ> thats amusing
14:41 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  Like, nineteen pairs of black socks.
14:41 <@Mirage> the yearly death tolls from war would be much higher if it wasn't for modern medicine.
14:45 < RangerZ> Mirage: good point, gotta prevent religious extremists from having medicine
14:45 < RangerZ> I hadn't thought of that, but excellent addition
14:47 <@Dagmar> There wouldn't be as much war without (un)modern religion.
14:50 < RangerZ> aestetix: actually... the biggest threat to global peace is going to be resources (in particular non-salt-water)
14:50 < aestetix> RangerZ: so the water problem
14:51 < aestetix> I don't think religion is an issue. Religious extremism that calls for murdering others is though.
14:51 < RangerZ> nah, its just religion
14:51 < RangerZ> lol
14:51 <@CRasH180> Mad MAx might become a reality
14:52 < RangerZ> personally I'd prefer Water World
14:52 < RangerZ> but 'ehh'
14:52 <@CRasH180> ah, who knows
14:53 < RangerZ> but we really don't have 'that' much ice to melt, etc
14:54 <@CRasH180> No, no we do not
14:57 <@Mirage> aestetix: since when has it only been religious extremists killing people?
15:02 <@ignotus-sdf> since atheists decided not having a religion is a religion.
15:02 <@Dagmar> Ugh.  Okay I definitely strained a pectoral muscle two nights ago.  There's no denying it now.
15:02 <@Dagmar> It just hurt to use my deodorant stick.
15:02 <@Dagmar> Heh
15:04 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I pulled that before... fucking sucks
15:05 < RangerZ> not as bad as the one on the back... that basically made me an invalid for a day and a half... that sucked
15:05 <@Dagmar> It wasn't from doing push-ups.  Those are still pain free.
15:05 <@CRasH180> the question is, doesn't is really depend on what you were doing with that deodorant stick?
15:05 <@Dagmar> My best guess is I got my arm twisted up under myself while I slept
15:05 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: Drawing it up my chest, across the strained muscle.
15:05 <@Dagmar> ...with the opposing arm.
15:05 <@Dagmar> It's sensitive to the touch
15:06 <@CRasH180> ahh, yeah, that is not good
15:07 <@Dagmar> Mainly I hate it when I hurt myself in my sleep.  It feels like someone cheated me somehow
15:07 <@CRasH180> Your arm cheated on you
15:07 < RangerZ> Dagmar: perhaps you should look into not 'almost dying' in your sleep too
15:07 <@Dagmar> At least it's not the entire rotator cuff this time
15:07 <@CRasH180> It wanted to be with another
15:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: No, that's "deep hibernation mode".  ;)
15:07 <@CRasH180> Rangez: That seems a little harsh
15:08 < RangerZ> i'm not even kidding
15:08 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: No, he's referring to Lindsey getting all excited about my "sleep apnea".
15:08 <@Dagmar> I don't _stop_ breathing.
15:08 < RangerZ> his body temp going to 95 and barely breathing
15:08 <@Dagmar> I just begin aspirating oxygen passively.
15:08 <@Dagmar> hehe
15:08 <@CRasH180> egads
15:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah I have to watch the thermostat settings and keep a careful supply of blankets.
15:09 <@Dagmar> ...cuz when I sleep, I tend to really _shut down_.
15:09 <@Dagmar> there's been a few times I've woken up with the apt at 60F and me with a core temp of 94F
15:09 <@Dagmar> A few times lower than that
15:10 < RangerZ> _not_ healthy
15:10 < RangerZ> don't make us send crazypants to your apartment, to 'jump-start' your body
15:10 <@Dagmar> Only if you want to see a lot of blood
15:11 <@Dagmar> It's perfectly healthy.  I'm just a little biologically separated from most people.
15:11 < RangerZ> that would probably bring you back from the dead... b/c your body would be afraid of what she would do to your corpse
15:11 <@Dagmar> I am still considering getting a "YES, RESUSCITATE.  ...AND USE MULTIPLE REDUNDANT UPSES WHILE YOU'RE AT IT." tattoo
15:12 <@Dagmar> Unless my brain gets knocked completely out of my skull... LIFE SUPPORT.
15:12 <@Dagmar> I'll do the rest from the inside.
15:15 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Heh http://i.imgur.com/jMAsJR4.png
15:16 <@Evilpig> lol
15:29 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: gratz!
15:31 < RangerZ3> "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS will not receive any future balance patches, series director Masahiro Sakurai said in a recent interview."
15:31 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: Two days without being fired?
15:32 < RangerZ3> Dolemite: he was off today
15:32 < RangerZ3> so we gotta ask tomorrow
15:32 < RangerZ3> (joke, since he's mon-fri now...)
15:32 <@Dolemite> Uh huh
15:32 < RangerZ3> he'll be fine, as long as he can keep his mouth shut
15:33 < RangerZ3> and not be asked to put any hand-sanitzers up...
15:33 <@Mirage> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/34/0b/c8340bea606b4929af7ab310b0683a92.jpg
15:33 <@Dolemite> He'll be fine as long as he can keep NotLarry at home.  That's what I always told him. ;)
15:33 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: so far.
15:33 <@NotLarry> Boss just left and said he would see me tomorrow at the hill center.
15:34 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: Gotcha.  That's always where I had the disciplinary meetings with the folks I was about to fire.
15:34 <@Dolemite> Er, wait, that's not encouraging.  lol
15:34 <@Dagmar> Well, at least we know someone who actually cares about the output will be watching the chillers
15:35 <@Mirage> Dolemite: that could have been related to the fact that your office was in the hill center
15:35 <@NotLarry> Had an administrator talking down to me cause "he always respected facilities" as I watched his machine boot up to windows server 2003.
15:40 <@Mirage> Dagmar: what was that pic of "the butcher" from?  Surely not WoW..
15:40 <@NotLarry> My boss went online and tried to find a connection between me and NotLarry on the interwebs.  He was pretty impressed by the seperation.
15:42 < RangerZ3> so ... apparently.... tracking apps installed on OTHER PEOPLE's phones... are legal
15:42 <@Dagmar> Mirage: yes, it's the Highmaul raid in fact.
15:42 <@Dagmar> RangerZ3: Doubt it
15:43 < RangerZ3> Sen. Al Frankin is trying to pass a law to outlaw it
15:43 < RangerZ3> Dagmar: no... it 'is' thats the problem
15:43 <@Dagmar> That's fine, IMHO, depending on _how it's worded_
15:44 <@Dagmar> It's a bit of a grey area at the moment because without consent, you have a potential lawsuit on your hands, but I don't think it's _directly_ a criminal violation.
15:49 <@oddball> RangerZ3: depends on where you are.  There are a number of states that have laws against it.
15:49 <@oddball> Of course, it's usually a misdemenor.
15:58 < aestetix> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/john-yoo-if-senate-report-is-true-cia-interrogators-are-at-legal-risk/383790/
15:58 < aestetix> this is a huge thing
16:00 <@oddball> Yeah... no... not going to happen.
16:01 < RangerZ3> obama isn't going to prosecute bush
16:01 < aestetix> RangerZ3: that is obvious
16:01 < RangerZ3> that way the next republican doesn't prosecute him
16:01 < RangerZ3> its a very cynical reason
16:01 < aestetix> basically a job in the federal government is awesome if you want to be a total asshole and never go to jail
16:02 < RangerZ3> no
16:02 < RangerZ3> you have to be HIGH LEVEL
16:02 < RangerZ3> low level people can go to jail easily
16:02 < RangerZ3> they do when they report crimes
16:03 < aestetix> so basically Obama is the new Gerald Ford
16:03 < RangerZ3> nope, even worse
16:03 < RangerZ3> b/c he's not doing it to 'shut everyone up'
16:04 < RangerZ3> but to 'protect me from future issues'
16:04 < aestetix> well there's a theory that that's why Nixon appointed Ford
16:04 < RangerZ3> yeah, but i've never really thought it was that convincing
16:05 < aestetix> What do you think Ford could have done better, besides pardoning him?
16:05 <@Mirage> Dolemite: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/184858759677831907/
16:06 < RangerZ3> aestetix: honestly... not really... b/c sending him to jail would have been really divisive too
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16:08 < aestetix> So there was no good way to handle Nixon?
16:08 < RangerZ3> honestly... not really
16:08 < RangerZ3> thats the problem
16:08 < RangerZ3> same with the torture
16:08 < aestetix> Well the easiest way to handle torture is to stop doing it.
16:08 < RangerZ3> the republican party _honestly_ believes that "if the (republican) president does it, its legal"
16:09 < RangerZ3> there really isn't a way to 'round that squar peg'
16:09 < aestetix> So if the president is caught in a homosexual act with a 10 year old its ok?
16:09 < RangerZ3> don't mix religion into this
16:09 < RangerZ3> LOL
16:09 < RangerZ3> but I mean on 'policy'
16:10 < RangerZ3> and you know it
16:10 < aestetix> So the question at hand
16:11 < aestetix> was the federal government completely broken before Nixon, or did he break it?
16:12 < RangerZ> neither, the EPA , the clean air act, the clean water act... all the things that Nixon did were his, he ENDED the vietnam war, etc
16:12 < aestetix> And he also completely disabled the POTUS from any kind of accountability
16:13 < RangerZ> I'd argue it was Reagan who de-regulated, broke unions, pushed his 'role' as president
16:13 < aestetix> He also created the DEA and started the war on drugs ;)
16:13 < RangerZ> b/c I honestly think thats what he did, he viewed it as another actor's role
16:14 < aestetix> Not arguing with that. A lot of the issues we have now are becuse of Reagan.
16:14 < aestetix> Like the fact that taxes make it impossible to be an independent contractor now, because of him.
16:14 < RangerZ> huh?
16:14 < aestetix> Reagan's tax changes basically fucked the middle class.
16:15 < aestetix> The whole trickle down bullshit.
16:15 < RangerZ> well, its the GOP's biggest selling point, tell lies that 'sound convincing'
16:16 < aestetix> And the fact that Reagan closed a bunch of mental health facilities
16:16 < RangerZ> (mind you democrats aren't MUCH better, but at least they aren't fucking hypocrits en-mass)
16:16 < RangerZ> aestetix: lets be honest... he was afraid he'd be sent to one...
16:16 < aestetix> I mean Nancy Reagan was a fucking puritan bitch and she was basically running the country
16:16 < aestetix> hahahah
16:16 < _NSAKEY> Don't forget that Reagan also did Executive Order 12333, and pushed more police militarization.
16:16 < aestetix> yep
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16:17 < _NSAKEY> Also, Reaganomics was only good if you were in the repo business or a similar line of work.
16:17 < aestetix> these RangerZ accounts are like a hydra beast
16:17 < aestetix> Comcast kills one and another spawns
16:17 < RangerZ> pretty much
16:17 < aestetix> which one is the real RangerZ
16:17 < _NSAKEY> Or maybe he's just poisoning the ircstats page. [/tinfoil]
16:18 <@CRasH180> see you all later. Going to beat my head against a wall.
16:18 < RangerZ> I haven't setup a IRC server yet, so I have 2 clients up
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16:18 <@Evilpig> I linked most of them together
16:21 < RangerZ> I've been doing some experiments (not on this channel) with different clients, and seeing which command line client I like
16:21 < RangerZ> just haven't had time to sit down and set everything up (honestly been just lazy) lol
16:22 <@Mirage> RangerZ: irssi
16:22 < _NSAKEY> Seconded. irssi + screen + a vps = win.
16:25 < RangerZ> so... this is kinda interesting... http://vimeo.com/102499208
16:25 < RangerZ> a new chat app from a security firm
16:28 < RangerZ> not sure 'exactly' how they handle the "100 ft" (I'm thinking the available wifi(s) SSID+mac)
16:28 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You use pidgin for IRC? Ewwww.
16:28 < RangerZ> pidgin and finch
16:28 < RangerZ> using finch right now
16:29 <@oddball> Yeah... I know people that use finch.  I tried it and just couldn't get used to it.
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16:29 <@oddball> I'm with _NSAKEY as far as irssi + screen + ssh goes.
16:30 <@oddball> Thrown in centerIM, and you've got instant messenger services taken care of as well.
16:30 < _NSAKEY> irssi is so nice (Once you're used to it) that adding Bitlbee to the mix is great for non-IRC connections.
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16:31 <@oddball> Eh... I've found bitlbee to be a bit of a cludge.  It works, but isn't a great solution.
16:31 < RangerZ> thats why finch is nice
16:31 < _NSAKEY> I don't think Bitlbee handles actual IRC connections, which is ironic.
16:31 < RangerZ> has full XMPP support, etc
16:32 < RangerZ> problem is... most people are moving towards skype and its crap 'no-api'
16:32 < _NSAKEY> Skype has more problems than that.
16:32 <@oddball> Really? most of my friends have stuck with google chat.
16:32 < RangerZ> yeah, but now it has 'real time' translations...
16:33 < RangerZ> which means... its camera feeds are going through "processing" already probably
16:33 < _NSAKEY> I guess I'm lucky, since the people I talk to all use XMPP + OTR.
16:33 <@Bahhumbug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dfpe_-Lgg
16:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Best of Star Wars Music Christmas Lights Show 2014 - Featured on Great Christmas Light Fight! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:34 < RangerZ> anyone been to opryland light show?
16:34 < aestetix> you know
16:35 < aestetix> it's unethical to mention star wars and christmas in the same sentense
16:35 < RangerZ> ok you Bahhumbug-aestetix
16:36 < RangerZ> I'm just waiting for the 2019 star-wars christmas special
16:38 <@oddball> RangerZ: not this year
16:38 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: does OTR work on all XMPP connections if both have it?
16:39 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Yeah. The clients used don't matter as long as both support it.
16:39 < _NSAKEY> pidgin requires a plugin. Adium bakes it in.
16:39 < _NSAKEY> Bitlbee can't decide, but it's currently a separate package.
16:39 < RangerZ> oddball: in the past, how is it? i got invited to go with a bunch of girls from school who aren't from the US, and want a 'local' (which I'm fine with...lol)
16:40 < RangerZ> I'm like... its not really 'that' far from downtown... but 'sure'
16:40 <@oddball> It's usually fairly impressive.
16:40 < RangerZ> the two Indian girls have never really seen snowfall
16:41 < RangerZ> so Ice Skating might be amusing...
16:41 <@oddball> Now... are they talking about the lights around the grounds, or the "ice" show that you have to pay to get into?
16:41 < RangerZ> honestly I don't know if they realize there is a difference
16:41 < RangerZ> i looked online, and they are _expensive_ and lots of options
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16:42 <@oddball> Yeah... I've never done the ice thing.  I know a few folks that have, and had a good time, though.
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16:43 < RangerZ> wtf...
16:44 < RangerZ> but anyways... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkCSPEQ4uJw
16:44 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: If you decide to go with bitlbee, you'll want to turn otr_color_encrypted off unless you just like red text with whatever color you've got set for your console.
16:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Elizabeth Warren to Bankers: We Should Have Broken You Into Pieces - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:45 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: don't worry
16:45 < RangerZ> hehe
16:45 < _NSAKEY> Regardless of what client you use, you'll have to decide on whether you want it to automatically start a new OTR session whenever you IM someone, or whether you get to do that manually each time.
16:45 < RangerZ> I'll be checking out irssi again and if not, sticking with finch
16:46 < RangerZ> finch does xmpp/aim/irc/etc
16:46 < RangerZ> really now I only use xmpp/irc anymore
16:46 < _NSAKEY> irssi-otr is a nightmare, and I do not recommend.
16:49 < RangerZ> thats what they said about me dating my ex, did I listen... no, so...
16:49 < RangerZ> actually, thats not really true... but was the best line I could come up with...
16:49 < RangerZ> lol
16:50 < RangerZ> but... I DID end up causing a friend of mine to have a nightmare after he found out I was dating a girl we knew... he was afraid we got married, had kids, and those kids took over the world...
16:50 < RangerZ> that was amusing...
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16:57 < aestetix> http://wonkette.com/569324/bay-area-cop-threatens-to-shoot-everybody-who-thinks-their-lives-matter
16:58 <@shapr> huh
16:58 < RangerZ> satire site?
16:59 < aestetix> it is too detailled to be satire
16:59 < aestetix> has screenshots of his tweets
17:04 < aestetix> ok stupid question. anyone here experienced with openvpn?
17:05 < aestetix> I have a server within a network set up, trying to make it so someone can vpn into that server and connect to any of the other systems
17:05 < aestetix> when I enable two systems though, the damn thing locks up
17:06 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: My only openvpn experience is with setting it up on android, and that's only to upset anyone trying to sniff my packets on wifi.
17:06 < aestetix> heh
17:06 < aestetix> yeah basically I want it so that someone can log into the vpn and connect to all the servers easily
17:08 < _NSAKEY> e.g. at PhreakNIC, I mostly left my phone in airplane mode, but for those few times I had a need for internet service, I opted for 3g + vpn.
17:19 < RangerZ> so if anyone likes to go out camping and wants a reasonable _picnic table set_ to take with you... http://spiderlegs.com/shop-folding-tables/folding-picnic-tables-and-benches/
17:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Folding Picnic Tables and Benches at spiderlegs.com (at spiderlegs.com)
17:19 < RangerZ> this actually looks pretty nice especially for the 330$
17:20 < RangerZ> aestetix: even NASA feels bad for you
17:20 <@oddball> aestetix: I'm guessing you have it set up so that someone can VPN into copmuter x, and then remote into computer y?
17:20 < RangerZ> "Needed: 11 Trillion Gallons to Replenish California Drought"
17:20 < RangerZ> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/16dec_drought/
17:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Needed: 11 Trillion Gallons to Replenish California Drought - NASA Science (at science.nasa.gov)
17:20 < aestetix> oddball: basically
17:21 <@oddball> Shouldn't have any issues.  I think I've set that up before, but it's been a while.
17:21 < aestetix> it's more.... using the vpn server as a bastion system to a bunch of prod servers
17:22 <@oddball> The tricky part is making sure you remember which computer you're interacting with. :p
17:22 < aestetix> lol
17:22 <@oddball> You'd be amazed at the number of instances where someone has rebooted the wrong machine.
17:25 < RangerZ> oddball: you might know (but open to anyone) know a place where you can get older wooden pallets for free/cheap?
17:27 <@oddball> "older" pallets?  hmm... sorry, not really.
17:27 <@oddball> What are you wanting to do with these things?
17:28 <@oddball> Might call up a warehouse and ask them what they do with the ones that are too beat up to use.
17:28 < RangerZ> just for putting on the bottom of a storage unit, to keep them off the floor a few inches
17:29 < RangerZ> we have a few places back home where you can go and get 'ancient' pallets for free
17:30 < RangerZ> they make 'great' "reclaimed lumber" accent pieces
17:31 < RangerZ> (some people go overboard on them... and the inside of their home looks like a jrr tolkien film prop stage
17:31 < RangerZ> lol
17:31 <@oddball> ah, gotcha.  Yeah... my best guess would be call up some warehouses and ask them where they send theres or a lumber yard and be prepared to pay for them.
17:32 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: It's called the "rustic" look.
17:32 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah, i'm aware, but there are limits
17:33 < _NSAKEY> My grandmother did that with her front porch, except with wood from a barn that was about to be torn down in the 70s.
17:33 < RangerZ> I have friends who were on site for filming of LOTR, and they said that some people's "rustic" was more hobbit than the LOTR hobbit homes
17:34 < _NSAKEY> The flower bed was the same way, except it used beams from the barn.
17:34 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah, I'm all for 'parts' of the house being that way, espcially porches, etc. but not 'all' of the house
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18:10  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
18:10  * Bahhumbug kicks aestetix in the junk
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18:19 <@Dagmar> Acutally they're usually recycled
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18:23 < aestetix> sigh
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18:23 < aestetix> I'm really sad to see DrDobbs go under
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/12/15/6
18:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: oss-security - Linux kernel: multiple x86_64 vulnerabilities (at www.openwall.com)
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-9322
18:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: access.redhat.com | CVE-2014-9322Red Hat Customer Portal (at access.redhat.com)
18:36 < aestetix> http://kotaku.com/when-a-great-game-comes-out-of-nowhere-1671514331/+katharinetrendacosta
18:49 < aestetix> god
18:49 < aestetix> I jsut spent $35 on a game
18:49 < aestetix> I don't think I've ever done that
18:53 < sasquatc2> shoulda talked to the russians, its 8$ over there, so probably ~10$ to buy it from one
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19:00 < aestetix> hahah
19:02 <@sasquatc4> i usually buy all my steam games from a couple russian sellers whenever possible, they just get em way too cheap over there not too
19:02 <@sasquatc4> the only times i wont is if its an actual region sell/play locked game, so one that would require a vpn
19:02 <@sasquatc4> cause thats just shadiness
19:02 <@sasquatc4> plus a hassle, as long as it activates normally on a USA account, got no probs
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19:17 < aestetix> Someone just suggested we remove Andrew Jackson form the $20 bill because he's racist.
19:18 < aestetix> I pointed out that if you really want to avenge him, leave him on there, as he hated the idea of a national currency/bank.
19:18  * aestetix is not popular with these fauxminists
19:20 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'd just tell them to shut their ignorant holes.
19:21 <@Dagmar> With the possible exception of Ghandi, there are very damn few historical figures of importance who weren't racist or sexist by today's standards.
19:21 <@Dagmar> Judging the actions of our forefathers by the enlightened standards of today _is insane_.
19:21 < aestetix> If you call today's standards enlightened
19:22 < aestetix> More of an inquisition than an enlightenment
19:42 < RangerZ> Look at Jefferson, he owned slaves, and loved them (in more than one way)
19:42 < RangerZ> but couldn't legally free them his entire life b/c he was ALWAYS in debt
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20:41 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjuG8LAwzI
20:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Characters Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:42 < RangerZ> ohh look ANOTHER games Square Enix released in JPN only, and now is bringing over b/c fans were like "wtf, this is actually a good game, bring it over"
20:43 < RangerZ> i swear... japanese studios need to get a (god I hate myself for even saying this) american in as ceo to make them actually bring back games like they used to
20:45 < RangerZ> thats what SONY did (and despite its movie studio's issues) has been turning a huge profit  (even with an ENTIRE studio not having produceed a game during the entire PS3 era(and is STILL working on the same game(which is now a PS4 title instead of PS3)))
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> SONY can choke on a knife
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
20:58 < aestetix> It's kind of sad how few gay bars are left in San Francisco.
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22:09 <@oddball> What... there's only 20 left? :p
22:51 < aestetix> oh man
22:52 < aestetix> the drama just never ends
22:52 < aestetix> I think one of the reasons I can be silly in here sometimes is anger at so many policy problems I'm dealing with
22:52 < aestetix> IDESG and the oakland privacy stuff
22:53 <@oddball> IDESG?
22:53 < aestetix> idecosystem.org
22:54 <@oddball> "Identify Ecosystem"
22:55 <@oddball> Isee a lot of buzz words...
22:55 < aestetix> IDESG = Identity Ecosystem Steering Group
22:56 < aestetix> It's the group charged with implementing NSTIC, Obama's cyber identity strategy
22:56 <@oddball> ah
23:14 < RangerZ> aestetix: "Controversial Crucifix Shaped Penis Necklace Makes Headlines" I'll let you find the video
23:14 < RangerZ> honestly I thought you trolling somehow when I saw the headline
23:15 < aestetix> hahah
23:16 < RangerZ> and more important world news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_j-NH3gIBI
23:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: McDonalds Japan is Running Out Of Fries - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:17 < RangerZ> b/c of the port of Oakland being slow as shit recently b/c 1) they are over booked 2) the workers have the _audacity_ to not be killing themselves when they feel already overworked
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