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00:02 <@RangerZ> oddball: you'll appreciate this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCeFbK-WEVE
00:02 <@RangerZ> [VivifxAMV] Ship Happens [Best Comedy Otakon 2014] (an AMV)
00:13 <@oddball> heh
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01:06 < RangerZ1> mario kart 8 got GOTY from gamespot on the Wii U
01:07 < RangerZ1> but... AMD announced that they are working on a new chip for a new console.... but said that it was up to their customer to announce it
01:07 < RangerZ1> so.... it makes me wonder... is it the Wii 3
01:07 < RangerZ1> or "A new challenger Appears"
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02:01 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: Don't like it?  Tough shit.  I, and others, are sick of aestetix's bullshit.
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03:00 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: Steambox
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04:39 < RangerZ> hmmm
04:39 < RangerZ> check to make sure your wish lists on amazon are 'shared' or 'private' (depending on what you want, and not public
04:50 <@Bahhumbug> Did someone see the 16inch dildo you had on your wish list? :)
07:01 <@Shadow404> i thought that was aestetix saying that for a sec
07:02 <@Bahhumbug> I thought of that as well; sadly after I sent the message.
07:02 <@Bahhumbug> The difference is he would have posted some disgusting image.
07:04 <@Shadow404> yet he got unbanned again
07:04 <@Shadow404> tooo soon
07:04 <@Bahhumbug> The bot will reban him the next time he cycles or gets kicked.
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> The bot's ban on him expires Jan 4.
07:05 <@Shadow404> but the bot got kicked ban
07:05 <@Shadow404> or did i miss it re-joining?
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> Not that it will do any good, the namby-pamby's will just on-ban him.
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> I removed the ban on the bot and re-joined it.
07:05 <@Bahhumbug> @anonymous do #se2600 wave
07:05  * GateKeeper wave
07:06 <@Shadow404>  nice
07:22 <@Shadow404> OMG
07:22 <@Shadow404> In 2014, in an interview for Wired Magazine, Joel Hodgson discussed plans to revive the show, this time online featuring a new host with MST3K alumni making cameo appearances.[12] In a reddit AMA on November 25, 2014, Hodgson mentioned "the reboot" implying that a reboot was already in progress.[13]
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08:47 <@Dickie> I have trouble seeing that happening
08:47 <@Dickie> How will they afford it
08:49 <@Dickie> SciFi Channel cited movie licensing costs as a reason for cancellation
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10:09 <@Evilpig> Dickie: was that when scifi was hell bent on making shitty movies and showing wrastling?
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10:22 <@Dickie> Ratings, man.
10:22 <@Dickie> That's why TLC followed a big fat redneck family around
10:22 <@Dickie> So we could LEARN
10:25 <@Dickie> If I got the wrong network, correct it, point still stands
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10:41 <@sasquatc4> I still remember watching the connections series TLC brought over from the UK when I was kid, and then I see the slop they show now and wonder where it all went wrong
11:09 <@Shadow404> from education to brain dead tv
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11:34 <@Evilpig> https://gleam.io/tLhRR-FmHBaH 
11:34 <@Evilpig> day 7 of the 12 days of loot is pretty sweet
11:35 <@Evilpig> $100 to for humble bundle, some shit from think geek, and a nuc sized gaming pc
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11:55 <@sasquatc4> man, i dunno what steam was thinkin with this gem crap, but at least they earned me 15 free gaben bucks out of thin air thanks to their stupidity
12:05 <@oddball> huh?
12:05 <@sasquatc4> they effectively crashed their own marketplace, made worthless things worthless and then equated new fancy things with things that already existed, i just managed to catch it at all the right times
12:06 <@oddball> ah
12:06 <@sasquatc4> they made those useless emoticons worth 3-4x what they used to be, I managed to buy a couple hundred before their prices shot up, then sold off 2/3 of those when they shot up
12:07 <@sasquatc4> turned the rest into their new 'gems', and the price of gems promptly shot up the next day because they 1000 gems essentially equals 1 booster card pack so theres no point in cards
12:07 <@sasquatc4> so i sold off all the gems at 70cents a bag when they cost 20-30 to make
12:07 <@sasquatc4> eventually they will find parity though since a booster pack is usually ~30cents, so gems will fall down to that rate soon
12:08 <@sasquatc4> so by them introducing this new crap they just made me 15 steam bucks out of nothing, now i see how the banks do it :)
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12:10 <@oddball> ah
12:10 <@oddball> I've never really seen the point of the "trading cards"
12:11 <@sasquatc4> yea, i just used a card idler to farm them and immediately sell and get free steam money, i dunno who these wierdos are that actually buy all the cards
12:15 <@sasquatc4> plus these new gems are supposed to be used for their 'auctions' where you bid using them, but if you look at the prices of gems->cash in these auctions the products are usually 2x what they normally cost on sale at various places, so theres no real deal to be had
12:15 <@sasquatc4> just the usual attempt at hiding behind krusty fun bucks to fool people
12:17 <@oddball> Yeah... I just looked at the auction page, and instantly thought "holy shit, people are bidding what?!"
12:18 <@sasquatc4> yup, like counterstrike GO going for 105,500 gems, for what gems are selling for thats basically 73$
12:19 <@sasquatc4> spore for 20$ when you could buy it for 5 or less
12:19 <@oddball> I could see if Steam decided to simply state "spend x number of gems for this game" as a rewards program, but auctions?
12:20 <@oddball> It's up there with Quibids and other "penny auctions" as far as the deception goes.
12:21 <@sasquatc4> yea
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12:22 <@sasquatc4> just makes me wish i had gone whole hog with my wad of card money, could have gone from 25 to almost 100 in one day with minimal work, but oh well, hindsight 20/20 and all that
12:23 <@oddball> And of course, there's the bit of "wait... you're bidding on an item where there is 0 scarcity."
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12:24 <@sasquatc4> yea, it still amazes me the people who bitch about the price of a game dropping 1-3mo after release, they still have yet to understand that the price is only dominated by what the market will bear
12:25 <@sasquatc4> and since theres no scarcity the moment the initial buyers stop buying the price drops to keep up sales
12:25 <@sasquatc4> because theres no reason anymore to leave the price that high
12:29 <@sasquatc4> i wonder how many people this year are gettin weed for christmas here, gotta remember to go get a new vape pen cartridge for the lady
12:32 < aestetix> http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/american-crosses-into-north-korea-denounces-us-policies
12:32 < aestetix> why does anyone thing that's a good idea
12:56 <@oddball> Well, there were the two well off white girls from... uh... Germany? a while back that decided to run away and join ISIS... and then found out that that was a terrible idea.
12:57 <@Shadow404> yeah, because ISIS stands for the best of all humanity
12:58 <@oddball> Especially white women who aren't muslem.
12:58 <@Shadow404> or refuse to wear a burka to cover everything but their eyes
12:59 <@Shadow404> you know, there are certain times where that could come in handy when they start talking up
13:00 <@oddball> There's a certain percentage of folks (usually younger) that have blindly followed the "screw the man" attitude to the point that anyone that "the man" says is bad must be fighting the good fight.
13:01 <@Shadow404> hehe, like crazy
13:01 <@oddball> Example: the folks that actually believe that the Soviet Union was actually working, and only fell due to the evil US being evil.
13:05 <@oddball> I love the comments on that article.
13:10 < aestetix> you know one thing I learned from going to Russia
13:11 < aestetix> things in the US suck right now, but they are a LOT worse in other places
13:11 < aestetix> In the US the government will not shoot you for saying things denouncing it
13:13 < aestetix> I'm actually kind of amazed I was able to leave the country without being questioned given that I accidentally made a yakov smirnov joke on stage in moscow
13:16 <@oddball> yep
13:18 <@oddball> I actually have a buddy that's been meaning to go to PN for a few years.  I decided not to remind him of it this year due to the chosen artwork.  Straight up USSR propoganda with no real irony used... and he and his family escaped the Soviet Union.
13:19 <@oddball> People think communism is great... until they're the guy that got a new fridge for writing Tetris.
13:20 < aestetix> communism works great in small communities
13:20 < aestetix> but then again, so does democracy
13:20 <@oddball> heh
13:20 < aestetix> and if I'm in a small community, I'd prefer democracy
13:20 <@oddball> yeah... communism works as long as everyone is someone you know.
13:20 < aestetix> well there's also the whole secret police thing
13:21 < aestetix> people who say they want communism don't realize how much it sucks to find out your gf/bf is a spy who has been reporting your activities
13:22 < aestetix> or she bugged your bedroom, and when you try to speak out against the government, they publish personal info
13:22 <@oddball> "but that's not communism!"
13:22 <@oddball> nevermind that every full-blown commy country ever has resorted to that.
13:25 < aestetix> well do they want communism or socialism
13:25 < aestetix> Let me rephrase that: what do they want to have happen when a dispute among the workers breaks out
13:25 <@oddball> Or what's currently going on in Hong Kong, where people are in jail for the audacity of saying that they want to be able to have people on the ballot that aren't hand chosen by the mainland.
13:27 < aestetix> in oakland people walk down the streets protesting
13:27 < aestetix> in Moscow, there would be government snipers on top of the buildings taking out the leaders of the march
13:28 <@oddball> yep
13:28 < aestetix> so yes this whole praise of everything russian....
13:28 < aestetix> go to russia and tell me what you think :)
13:29 <@oddball> And while I deride a lot of the protestors, as long as they're not burning buildings, etc, they have that right, and I will fight for it.
13:29 < aestetix> yep
13:30 < aestetix> I speak as someone who has seen the KGB/FSB headquarters in person
13:31 <@oddball> In related news... I'm thinking about just shutting down my various social media accounts and living as a hermit.
13:31 < _NSAKEY> oddball: That's not a bad policy.
13:31 <@oddball> I'm getting really damned tired of people yelling at me that everything is my fault because I'm a white male, and my opinion doesn't matter.
13:32 <@oddball> Oh... and because the hate is towards white males, it's not sexist or racist... because reasons.
13:34 <@oddball> ah... someone unbanned GateKeeper.  I'm guessing Bahhumbug showed up and fixed his shit?
13:35 < _NSAKEY> Now you just need a bot that kickbans GateKeeper on sight, and we can kickstart the robot war that kill us all.
13:36 <@oddball> No.  My problem was that it appeared that Bahhumbug set it up so that it only recognized him as op of this channel.
13:37 <@oddball> He does not own this channel, and there's a reason why there's a shit ton of ops here.
13:37 <@Shadow404> thats the way its always been
13:37 <@oddball> yep
13:38 <@oddball> and he doesn't get to change that.
13:38 < _NSAKEY> I was joking.
13:38 <@oddball> I know.
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13:38 <@Shadow404> heh
13:38 < _NSAKEY> I had ops?
13:38 < _NSAKEY> Shit, I didn't even notice.
13:38 <@Shadow404> no, i was just messing with something
13:38 <@Shadow404> and now its in place
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13:39 <@oddball> I meant to do that last night, and forgot.
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14:41 <@Dagmar> I should probably get some kind of achievement for the Facebook post I just made.
14:42  * Dagmar has earned the achievement: [1,000 Watchlist Membership]
14:42 <@oddball> oh dear...
14:42  * oddball wanders over to check his FB
14:42 <@Dagmar> Pretty sure it'll make Ava pissed, but that's her probnlem
14:43 <@Dagmar> That last stupid picture of hers talking about "if the press come and you are a 'white person', you have no opinion and should direct them to a 'black person'" did it for me
14:43 <@Dagmar> Fuck that noise.
14:44 <@oddball> long post is long
14:44 <@Dagmar> Yep.
14:44 <@Dagmar> I intend to strike down with furious anger any individual so stupid as to post a two-line "rebuttal" demonstrating that they didn't read it.
14:45 <@Dagmar> I may have no fucks to give, but my budget for "fuck you" is literally boundless.
14:49 <@oddball> I would add that a lot of good cops turn into bad cops when they protect the bad ones.
14:51 <@Dagmar> I thought about it, but I thought it was an obvious deduction.
14:51 <@Dagmar> IMHO, once they're engaging in coverups, they _are_ the bad cops.
14:52 <@oddball> Well, it kind of goes against the whole "a few bad apples" argument.
14:52 <@Dagmar> ...and I begin to wonder if the system itself is slanted towards promotion of those types of bad cops into positions of authority somehow.
14:52 <@Dagmar> The rank and file _really_ don't have any say in internal investigations.
14:53 <@oddball> And it's not just incidents where the bad cop had a good record and screwed up.  There have been repeated incidents where the cop had proven to be a bad cop for years, and his brothers in blue continue to defend him.
14:54 <@Dagmar> YEah I've stumbled across a few studies that would seem to indicate that in the "bad" areas, it's only about 10% of the cops who are "bad", and they are consistently bad.
14:54 <@oddball> There was the example of Officer 'Roid Rage in Ohio where just about all of his fellow officers "donated" their vacation days to him so that he kept getting paid while he was fighting the department firing him.
14:55 <@Dagmar> ...and if they make a lot of charges and arrests stick as a result, this may be what's propelling them into positions of higher authority in order to perpetuate the problem.
14:55 <@oddball> Oh... and the union managed to get the department to reverse that termination.
14:56 <@oddball> Well, and then you have locations like NYC, where the long time mayor would openly refer to them as his occupying military force.
14:59 < aestetix> Dagmar: screenshot of the post?
14:59 < aestetix> Unless it's public
15:00 <@Dagmar> All my FB posts are publi c
15:00 < aestetix> url?
15:00 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/evildagmar
15:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dagmar dSurreal (at www.facebook.com)
15:00 < aestetix> I can't see anything
15:01 <@Dagmar> Your problem, not mine
15:01 < aestetix> I think you need to be logged in to view it
15:01 <@Dagmar> It is _definitely_ a public post.
15:01 < aestetix> IE you need a facebook account
15:02 <@Dagmar> Setting my "view as" to public I still see it
15:02 < aestetix> huh
15:03 < aestetix> Is there a direct link to the post itself?
15:03 <@Dagmar> Nope
15:03 <@Dagmar> I'll make it easy for you and post it to G+
15:04 < aestetix> lol
15:05 <@oddball> https://www.facebook.com/evildagmar/posts/970815396281511
15:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Welcome to Facebook (at www.facebook.com)
15:05 <@oddball> direct link
15:05 < aestetix> that worked
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15:36 < aestetix> Dagmar: no comments yet?
15:36 < aestetix> I assumed that would piss of a bunch of SJWs
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15:39 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I feel like I'm going to jail just for reading this.
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15:44 < aestetix> Dagmar: my biggest issue with the "Race" thing is that if I say anything I will immediately get shouted down for being white
15:44 < aestetix> which honestly, is irrelevant.
15:48 <@Dagmar> This is why I put the "fair warning" on Facebook and not G+
15:48 <@Dagmar> ...and I suspect has a great deal to do with the lack of comments right now.
15:48 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Welcome to my world.  Now you understand why I said what I did about not being made P at the last meeting.
15:49 <@klixa-cloud> aestetix: all whites are racist and all non whites love everyone
15:49 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Exactly.
15:49 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: I am pretty furious at the state of society right now, and it's only a matter of time before my words piss off the wrong person, and _they_ fire "the first shot".
15:50 <@Dagmar> I'm totally fine with people who self-identify as "blacks" being mad about black people being shot disproportionately
15:50 <@Dagmar> It's fact.
15:50 <@Dagmar> It would be madness to dispute it.
15:50 <@klixa-cloud> aestetix: I'm loving this rain/fog in NorCal today
15:50 <@Dagmar> However, trying to change that one little thing I do not believe will accomplish anything.
15:50 <@Dagmar> It's primarily caused by economics, not skin color.
15:51 <@RangerZ> just that people at the top  have been racist, and found it easy to push down minorities, b/c they are poor
15:51 <@Dagmar> If the cops shot and killed an equal number of 'black people' and 'white people', we would still have the problem of cops shooting people.
15:51 <@RangerZ> but they would be pushing down anyone poor
15:51 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It's not even that
15:52 <@Dagmar> I don't think the people "at the top" are demonstratably racist at all.
15:52 <@RangerZ> 'have been' I should have been more specific, I meant during slavery, etc
15:52 <@Dagmar> I think they might harbor ill will against say... rap culture... but there are perfectly justifiable reasons for tat
15:52 <@RangerZ> but now, 'ehh' it doesn't really matter
15:53 <@Dagmar> Horribly sexist standards, glorification of violence and drug abuse, warlordism, etc etc
15:53 <@Dagmar> It's not a good thing.
15:53 <@Dagmar> ...despite whether or not rap is a valid art form, it's usual incarnations are terribly self-destructive.
15:53 < aestetix> klixa-cloud: I thought you were in Nebraska
15:54 <@Dagmar> ...but the fact of the matter is that there's an "us vs. them" mentality and the people in power _always_ protect their own, over the people who are not a part of their power structure.
15:55 <@klixa-cloud> aestetix: I left
15:55 < aestetix> where are you no?
15:55 <@Dagmar> I've been watching.  Outside of the people who were subject to the very obvious abuses, there has been no mention of the bullshit that the cops were engaging in the night they failed to indict Wilson
15:55 <@klixa-cloud> redding on route to Seattle just left Phoenix yesterday
15:55 <@Dagmar> Literally no press coverage at all.
15:55 <@Dagmar> The only press coverage you ever see is about "the riots"
15:56 <@klixa-cloud> taking the long way to Seattle from nebraska via Phoenix
15:56 < aestetix> Dagmar: honestly "racism" is the same thing as "sexism" with a few properties changed.
15:56 <@Dagmar> ...and then they do their cause & effect narrative of claiming the riots forced the police to use tear gas and assault the crowds.
15:56 < aestetix> At least the way these idiots are using it.
15:56 <@Dagmar> ...and that cause and effect narrative _is a lie_.
15:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes, largely spend haranging and blaming those who don't engage in it for the actions of the few who do.
15:57 <@klixa-cloud> I had someone on facebook tell me my opinion about ferguson didn't matter cause I'm white and then rambled on about white privakage
15:57 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: Fuck that person
15:57 < aestetix> basically if someone is in power, I want them to have a clue what they are doing, white or black I don't care
15:58 < aestetix> these idiots think it's more important to have an idiot black than a smart white in power
15:58 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: my thoughts too
15:58 <@Dagmar> It seems to me that most of the jabbering about "white privilege" is just coming from the people _too fucking lazy_ to identify actual racists.
15:58 < aestetix> Now to have someone in power who is black representing a black community.... which means that community has elected them... that's fine with me.
15:59 <@Dagmar> Instead of hunting for the actual source of their problem, the just oversimplify and blame anyone nearby.
15:59 < aestetix> yep
15:59 <@Dagmar> It's self-defeating because it's incredibly divisist.
15:59 < aestetix> yep
15:59 <@Dagmar> I don't give a single galloping fuck what skin color someone has.
15:59 <@klixa-cloud> I think white privalage is guilty white closet racists projecting onto all white people
15:59 < aestetix> But you do care if they are a useless ignorant brute right?
16:00 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Generally, yes.
16:00 <@Dagmar> If they're a mindless degenerate, _then we have a major problem_.  ...but there are very few people who fit that stereotype.
16:01 <@Dagmar> The people who are my enemy are virtually _never_ brave enough to declare it outright.
16:01 <@Dagmar> ...so the people coming after me about this 'white privilege' stuff are making a huge mistake.
16:04 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Here's a great example of the New Racism: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1156341047725089&set=a.395066453852556.111288.100000476140015&type=1&theater
16:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cover Photos (at www.facebook.com)
16:05 < aestetix> wow that is stupid
16:05 <@Dagmar> I posted a one word comment to it... "No."
16:05 <@Dagmar> She actually deleted the post and resubmitted it
16:06 <@Dagmar> I'm seriously considering imguring that with the caption "Yes, this is racist"
16:06 <@Dagmar> We are not separate.  We are _Americans_ goddamn it.
16:06 < aestetix> Lemme guess, the person who made/posted this is a white feminist?
16:07 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately, despite being a decent person, she's practically a damn mems
16:07 < aestetix> mems?
16:07 <@Dagmar> Her major hobby is protesting and her profession is massage therapist
16:07 <@Dagmar> er meme
16:07 <@Dagmar> We are _completely_ not on the same page about this race thing
16:07 < aestetix> Did she make this sign?
16:08 <@Dagmar> _Probably_
16:08 <@Dagmar> ...which is why I'm considering imguring it.  It'll get back to her.
16:08 < aestetix> The funny thing is
16:08 < aestetix> the whole "shut up you're white" comes from white people
16:08 < aestetix> Most black peope don't give a shit about that
16:08 < aestetix> They're like "yo I just wanna do my thing"
16:09 <@Dagmar> I can't say that I've had any black people come at me about the 'white privilege' thing, because I frankly don't give a damn what their skin color is
16:10 <@Dagmar> Iv'e had a number of _stupid_ people bitch at me about it tho
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16:10 < aestetix> yep
16:14 <@klixa-cloud> I don't understand the motivation of anti white , white people
16:14 <@Dagmar> Self-aggrandizement.
16:14 <@Dagmar> Since they can't find a way to substantially improve themselves, they will instead turn on those around them and demand _they_ improve, so they can feel better about themselves by proxy.
16:16 < aestetix> klixa-cloud: it's the same thing as closet gay people being vocally anti-gay
16:16 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAnbeTt7psQ .... real... bill submitted to congress....
16:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Legislation To Save Christmas Brought Back From Dead - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:16 <@Dagmar> Just as an experiment, I'm tempted to show up to one of those things with a large sign that says "ALL LIVES MATTER".
16:16 < aestetix> "If I am brutally anti-racist, then nobody will realize that I am racist"
16:16 <@klixa-cloud> well would that mean they are all closet racists aestetix ?
16:17 < aestetix> klixa-cloud: yes
16:17 <@Dagmar> ...because I'm sure there would be almost immediate dickery.
16:17 <@klixa-cloud> they are also all delusional
16:17 < aestetix> yep
16:17 <@klixa-cloud> have you seen the Hey White People video
16:18 <@klixa-cloud> it's basically propaganda to sell t shirts but anti white white people ate it up
16:18 < aestetix> no
16:19 <@klixa-cloud> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfg52m0-4o
16:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hey White People: A Kinda Awkward Note to America by #Ferguson Kids by FCKH8.com - YouTube (at m.youtube.com)
16:21 <@klixa-cloud> I said that the enemy are the police and this video is trying to distract us by focusing on race... and of course this means I'm a racist
16:22 <@Dagmar> Well, you'd have to get kids to say it, because most adults might know better.
16:22 <@Dagmar> Have seen it.  Thought it was _very_ racist
16:23 <@klixa-cloud> I thought so too, but was attached by many people for saying so
16:23 <@klixa-cloud> attacked*
16:23 <@Dagmar> ...but you'll note that it's got a quarter more downvotes than upvotes, so there's still hope for the human race.
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16:51 <@Dagmar> LOL one of her friends is calling her out on the racist wording of the sign
16:51 <@Dagmar> ^5 that guy
17:13 <@RangerZ> 6 quarts of chili cooking....  gotta love crock pots...
17:37 < aestetix> oh fuck me now
17:37 < aestetix> http://www.alterconf.com/speak
17:39 < aestetix> oh god it's being held like 7 blocks from where I live
17:41 <@oddball> See how they respond to a furry giving a talk!
17:42 < aestetix> not a bad idea
17:42 < aestetix> actually
17:42 < aestetix> A group of furries should go out to a black lives matter protest
17:42 < aestetix> especially if they have dark fur
17:42 <@oddball> "no one knows your skin color under the suit."
17:45 < aestetix> speaking of furries
17:45 < aestetix> what is it that causes some people to turn into fat warthogs between like the ages of 25 and 35
17:47 <@oddball> office life
17:47 < aestetix> but don't kids in school sit all day too?
17:47 <@oddball> nope
17:48 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you should propose a talk
17:48 <@RangerZ> you wouldn't have to pay for travel
17:48 < aestetix> on what?
17:48 <@RangerZ> and you'd have a hidey-hole to escape to after they decide to storm you for your talk
17:48 <@oddball> lots of moving between classes, PE, school sports, usually aren't allowed to use the elevator (if there is one)...
17:48 <@RangerZ> class, language, parental status
17:49 <@RangerZ> just make it a talk about programming
17:49 <@RangerZ> age
17:49 < aestetix> oddball: true
17:49 <@oddball> Also, through highschool, you're typically still growing, which eats a lot of calories.
17:49 < aestetix> But yeah a lot of people seem to go downhill after they leave school
17:50 <@oddball> Yep.  Because they go from walking all over the place, doing sports, etc, to sitting in a chair at an office for 8+ hours.
17:50 < aestetix> And they probably drive everywhere.
17:50 <@oddball> yep
17:50 < aestetix> Unless you're in a place like SF
17:52 <@RangerZ> mine was being stuck at a call center or on campus
17:52 <@oddball> That last bit is why folks in the US are fatter on average than europeans.  Most european cities are still built around pre-automobile designs.
17:52 <@RangerZ> crap food both places
17:54 <@oddball> While a good percentage of the US urban centers really developed after cars, so there's much more distinct residential, comercial, and industrial zones.
17:55 <@oddball> I *can* walk to the grocery store... it's just going to take a good while.  "popping down to the market" on foot is pretty much a no-go for most of the residential areas around here.
17:55 <@oddball> Sorry... I think I can get to the gas station and what ever they have in their little store in 15 minutes.
17:56 <@RangerZ> oddball: I literally can't
17:56 < aestetix> Heh. For me it's a 2 block walk to the nearest grocery
17:56 <@RangerZ> there is no walk ways between where I live and the major roads
17:56 <@RangerZ> and its too dangerous to walk them
17:56 <@RangerZ> (b/c of cars)
17:56 <@RangerZ> belive me... I tried it ... to ride the bus to work/home
17:57 <@oddball> Oh, right... because "sidewalks?  What the fuck are those?"
17:57 < aestetix> Heh. I have to go into San Francisco today. That involved a 15 minute walk on the sidewalk and a BART ride
17:57 <@RangerZ> sadly... I think thats why (Despite living between dickerson and Gallatin pike) my neighborhood is nice
17:57 < aestetix> It sounds like that's more walking than some folks do in a week.
17:58 <@RangerZ> b/c asshats can't "walk" here
17:58 <@oddball> When we first moved down here in '85, there was a measure to get sidewalks put in around our new house... our neighbors sucessfully fought it.
17:58 <@RangerZ> thats so stupid
17:58 <@RangerZ> but it does simplify a lot of land use-issues
17:58 <@oddball> The reason was that they wanted to "keep the small town charm."
17:58 <@RangerZ> b/c technically you 'lose' like 6ft of your property
17:59 < aestetix> Actually don't small towns usually have sidewalks?
17:59 <@oddball> RangerZ: Didn't realize you lived in East Nashville.  That's another reason it's too dangerous to walk. :p
17:59 <@RangerZ> lol
17:59 <@oddball> aestetix: Around town square? yes, but not much past that.
17:59 <@RangerZ> b/c the "devil's strip" becomes city property (why you can't put political signs there) [actually I'm not sure if TN has that law that way, but OH, PA, do)
18:01 < aestetix> oddball: to me a small town is a walking community.
18:03 <@oddball> Oh, you can walk to just about any of the stores in a small town... once you drive into town.
18:03 < aestetix> But small towns predate cars.
18:03 < aestetix> I mean I guess you could ride your horse into town...
18:03 <@RangerZ> yes/no
18:03 < aestetix> haha you did it
18:03 < aestetix> we need to get you a "yes/no" macro
18:04 <@RangerZ> hehe
18:04 <@RangerZ> i did that one on purpose
18:04 <@oddball> Most of "small town USA" is rural, where a large percentage of the residents have enough land to grow at least some crops.  That requires a good amount of space.
18:04 <@RangerZ> but ... small towns were placed based on "whatever distance was travable in a day" throughout history, until the car
18:04 <@RangerZ> then after the car, it still holds true
18:05 <@oddball> There are some houses right on top of the actual "town," owned by shop keepers, etc, and they can walk in.
18:05 <@RangerZ> after the car "it was a 'tank of gas' " in a lot of places... like TX
18:05 <@RangerZ> look at mufreesburoro (sp?)
18:06 <@RangerZ> its only 1hr away from nashville
18:06 <@RangerZ> and basically 'part' of nashville
18:06 <@RangerZ> but not to the people from 'either' place... lol
18:06 <@oddball> and that hour is before the interstate was built.
18:06 <@Bahhumbug> Murfreesboro
18:06 <@RangerZ> yeah, I knew i was butchering it, but didn't really care, lol
18:07 <@RangerZ> ahh actually just the end was wrong... not as far off as I figured...
18:07 <@RangerZ> lol
18:07 <@RangerZ> but anyways... the "youngstown/warren/boardman metro area" (what the census calls it) is the same
18:08 <@RangerZ> that 'area' covers 2 entire counties basically
18:08 <@RangerZ> so... Idle Master for Steam.... great little hack, lol
18:09 < aestetix> "only" 1hr away
18:09 <@oddball> I'm fairly certain that Nashville/Murfreesboro will start being considered a twin cities setup in the near future.
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> @google idlemaster for steam
18:09 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Idle Master - Get your Steam Trading Cards the Easy Way: <http://www.steamgifts.com/forum/NMXTu/idle-master-get-your-steam-trading-cards-the-easy-way>; jshackles/idle_master · GitHub: <https://github.com/jshackles/idle_master>; Steam Community :: Group :: Idle Master: <http://steamcommunity.com/groups/idlemastery>; Steam Idle Master Tutorial: Automatic Card Drops - YouTube: (2 more messages)
18:09 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I'm posting a disgusting NSFW link and highlighting you just for fun: http://i.imgur.com/e9RMXUh.jpg
18:09 <@RangerZ> you just run it and it collects steam cards for you on the games you havne't collected them for
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: In many respects it already is.
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18:09 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck you.
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18:10  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
18:10 <@Bahhumbug> Grow up, child.
18:11 <@RangerZ> LOL.... FYI... that Idle Master... makes your web-session French...
18:11 <@RangerZ> but not your real clients
18:12 <@oddball> yeah... that's why I got rid of the bot last night.
18:12 <@Bahhumbug> Instead of addressing the root issue.
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> Which is his complete disregard for the multiple people that have asked him to stop his shit.
18:14 <@Dagmar> o.O
18:14 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you really do need to grow up though
18:14 <@Dagmar> THere's a game on Steam called "I Am Bread".
18:14 <@oddball> Dagmar: yep
18:14 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah, its kinda funny actually
18:14 <@Dagmar> I'm not really sure there's a market for that kind of simulation, but whatever makes them happy.
18:14 <@RangerZ> your goal is to 'toast yourself'
18:15 <@oddball> It actually looks like an interesting game.
18:15 <@Bahhumbug> kerosene and a match?
18:15 <@RangerZ> I would never buy it, but a 20min video of a guy playing was funny
18:15 <@RangerZ> its a "streamer" game
18:15 <@oddball> Looks like you *really* need to use a game pad to play it.
18:15 <@RangerZ> there have been a series of games coming out designed to be played by 'streamers' online
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18:16 <@oddball> Because it's apparently become a thing to watch other people play games now.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Sometimes it's funny.
18:16 <@Dagmar> *Sometimes*.
18:16 <@oddball> Had a friend ask me to turn streaming on on my steam client so he could watch me play Rift.
18:16 <@oddball> Told him "it'll be boring, but... ok..."
18:16 <@Dagmar> Other times it just illustrates why some people stay at home playing video games instead of doing things with their friends.
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> What codec is that thing using?
18:17 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: There's also a root problem that GateKeeper doesn't appear to recognize anyone besides you as an op of the channel.
18:18 <@Bahhumbug> It doesn't care about channel acls.
18:18 <@Bahhumbug> I will happily add Evilpig as a channel op.
18:18 <@Bahhumbug> And that's not a root problem
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> The root problem is aestetix and his constant bullshit of posting disgusting images.
18:19 <@RangerZ> does anyone use MINT.com or a competetor ?
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Many of which are 100% against freenode TOS.
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> If you'd like I can just get him klined from the network.
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Doesn't matter a bit to me.
18:19 < aestetix> Freenode has a ToS?
18:19 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yes
18:19 < aestetix> url?
18:19 <@RangerZ> has to https://freenode.net/policy.shtml
18:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: freenode: Policies (at freenode.net)
18:19 <@RangerZ> for legal CYA alone
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> It has nothing to do with "legal", it has to do with people acting like responsible users.
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Freenode is not based it he US, by the way.
18:20 <@oddball> RangerZ: Naienko used to use it, and recommends it.
18:20 <@RangerZ> Bahhumbug: yes, but I mean, even if they didn't for that 'legal' would require them to now
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> No, it wouldn't.
18:21 <@RangerZ> DMCA would 'require' it
18:21 <@RangerZ> gives them legal protection
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> No, it wouldn't.
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> Again, not based in the US.
18:21 <@Shadow404> you guys complain like little babies
18:21 <@RangerZ> DMCA is only the US's version of the WTO treaty
18:22 <@RangerZ> i'm sure their country is a signatory
18:22 <@RangerZ> Shadow404: good news, Amber is moving in next door to you
18:22 <@Shadow404> crazy?
18:22 <@Shadow404> wheres that? kennesaw?
18:22  * RangerZ feels bad for giving Shadow404 nightmares
18:23 <@RangerZ> who knows... she was rambling about moving
18:23 <@RangerZ> and 'not telling anyone yet'
18:23 <@Shadow404> heh
18:23 <@Bahhumbug> I have a pig farm down the road from me.  Just sayin'
18:23 <@RangerZ> where*
18:23 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: ++
18:23 <@oddball> It's to New Jersey... to stalk Evilpig
18:23 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure you could follow her insanity on twatter and she'll eventually get drunk enough to reveal the destination.
18:24 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you *could* just ignore me.
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> You *could* stop being an ass.
18:24  * aestetix shrugs
18:25 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Whose bright idea was it to make a MOBA of Dead Island that is _cartoony?_
18:25 <@Bahhumbug> @define moba
18:25 <@Dagmar> I just noticed I had multiple things in my Steam inventory to get me into it's Open Beta
18:25 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Urban Dictionary: MOBA: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MOBA>; Multiplayer online battle arena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_online_battle_arena>; terminology - What does MOBA really mean and what characterizes ...: (2 more messages)
18:25 <@RangerZ> since the US shut down the "insane assylums" (which had their own problems) ... its actually TOO hard to get someone forcably admitted now
18:25 <@Bahhumbug> Neat.  Never heard of that before.
18:25 <@Dagmar> After looking at it, zero interest
18:26 <@oddball> RangerZ: Actually, it's surprisingly easy... at least for a weekend.
18:26 <@RangerZ> oddball: I mean for longer than just 48hrs for "observation"
18:26 <@oddball> ah
18:26 <@RangerZ> needs to be like 3 weeks... for detox alone...
18:27 <@RangerZ> I mean... it takes that long to get crazypant's ramblings out of your anger-system after hearing her
18:27 <@RangerZ> hehe
18:28 <@oddball> 'cause yeah... I know at least one person that got thrown in the loony bin for the weekend because they had a seriously bad day (lost job, wrecked car, had fight with s/o) and made the mistake of talking to their psychologist who was actually a slimy little rat.
18:28 <@RangerZ> but seriously... its a shitty situation... you have people with 'real' problems who can't be helped b/c their issues make them think they DON'T have problems.... and on the other hand... the system we had before was abused to get rid of 'unwanted' people
18:29 <@oddball> So... instead of getting the actual help they needed, they got thrown in the loony bin for the weekend.
18:29 <@oddball> And people wonder why I'm... distrustful... of shrinks.
18:29 <@RangerZ> oddball: yeah... but you can't really BLAME the psychologist... if they thought she was dangerous to herself
18:29 <@RangerZ> ....they 'did' make the right decision
18:30 <@RangerZ> but... that should be a 2 psychologist approved thing (at least)
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/12/14/nr-sony-hack-christmas-gift.cnn.html
18:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sony Pictures hackers promise 'Christmas gift' - CNN.com Video (at www.cnn.com)
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> Awesome.
18:30 <@RangerZ> but again... our system is fucked... doesn't actually help in the general case
18:30 <@oddball> Nope... I actually knew the shrink in question.  He was a little weasel that saw problems with everything and he seriously overreacted.
18:31 <@RangerZ> oddball: yeah... thats not good either... but ... I'm hopeful that getting money out fo politics will eventaully lead to getting money out of healtcare more
18:31 <@oddball> AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhahahahahahaha....
18:31 <@oddball> you're funny.
18:32 <@RangerZ> optimist
18:32 <@RangerZ> not 'crazy'
18:32 <@RangerZ> lol
18:32 <@RangerZ> oddball: the ONLY reason I didn't already run for gov't position is b/c of campaign finance laws
18:32 <@RangerZ> if we could get some more ENGINEERS in congress
18:32 <@RangerZ> it would help a lot
18:33 <@RangerZ> imagine Elon Musk as the rep. of s. Cali.
18:33 <@RangerZ> or FFS ... ME...
18:33 <@RangerZ> and I get to question AT&T on their policy on fiber
18:33 <@RangerZ> "no I don't believe you, and I wish you'd stop lying to me and the american people"
18:34 <@oddball> heh
18:34 <@RangerZ> part of me wonders if I moved back home... or even here... and ran as a 'national' candidate, if I could get a lot of support nationally
18:35 <@RangerZ> promise to have a website where citizens can vote on matters to tell me how they feel
18:35 <@RangerZ> not that it would be 'binding'
18:35 <@RangerZ> but I think it would help tell a lot
18:37 <@RangerZ> i'd like to see aestetix's stance on 'real name" policty on a system like that
18:37 <@RangerZ> lol
18:38 <@RangerZ> http://search.slashdot.org/story/14/12/14/2020216/spanish-media-group-wants-govt-help-to-keep-google-news-in-spain HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
18:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Spanish Media Group Wants Gov't Help To Keep Google News In Spain - Slashdot (at search.slashdot.org)
18:38 <@RangerZ> aww poor babies
18:38 <@RangerZ> you wanted to charge google to send traffic TO YOU
18:38 <@RangerZ> and they said 'fuck it'
18:38 <@RangerZ> and now you're upset
18:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: that already sort of exists
18:42 < aestetix> well not voting, but to allow politicians to get an idea of what their consituents want
18:42 < aestetix> also for citizens, names don't matter as much as location
18:43 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yes, but I mean to stop multi-voting
18:44 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yeah, but politicans have to use outside polling firms (more $) or just see how the emails/letters they recieve point
18:44 < aestetix> uh
18:44 < aestetix> we already have issues with multi-voting
18:44 < aestetix> I'm not sure how technology would stop it
18:44 <@RangerZ> no we don't
18:44 <@RangerZ> thats a myth
18:45 <@RangerZ> we have a problem where old people show up to the WRONG voting location, yes
18:45 < aestetix> or where dead people vote
18:45 <@RangerZ> but the cases of people voting for someone else, are almost non-existent
18:45 <@RangerZ> not really
18:45 <@RangerZ> another myth
18:45 < aestetix> or where Bill Smith and William Smoth both vote even though it's the same guy
18:45 <@RangerZ> << was a head elections judge for my precinct , and went through a bunch of training, etc.
18:46 <@RangerZ> the BIGGEST issues we have is someone files their absentee voting, and then goes to vote in person
18:46 <@RangerZ> but never lies about it, etc
18:46 <@oddball> didn't a state rep in Alabama just get busted for voting in multiple precints?
18:47 <@RangerZ> oddball: yeah... we have "independant GOP investigations" that are trying to prove its possible to vote multiple times.... going to jail
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18:48 <@oddball> Nope... this one was a Democrat
18:48 <@RangerZ> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/1/video-shows-planned-parenthood-manager-aiding-pimp/?page=all
18:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pimp video stings Planned Parenthood - Washington Times (at www.washingtontimes.com)
18:48 < aestetix> But yeah I don't think online voting will ever happen.
18:48 < aestetix> Every way to do it is way too technical.
18:48 <@RangerZ> aestetix: it will
18:49 <@RangerZ> easier to steal elections
18:49 < aestetix> lol
18:49 <@RangerZ> look at the voting in ohio in 2004
18:49  * oddball still doesn't understand how requiring a photo ID is an infringement.
18:49 <@RangerZ> oddball: b/c you have a car
18:49 < aestetix> oddball: infringment on what?
18:49 <@oddball> I know folks that don't have cars that have photo IDs.  A couple don't even have driver's licenses.
18:49 <@RangerZ> the 'photo id' is a GREAT political tool by the GOP
18:49 < aestetix> oddball: I recommend Ginsberg's scathing dissent on the texas photo ID law decision
18:50 < aestetix> she nailed all the reasons it's a problem
18:50 <@RangerZ> b/c NO... theoretically requiring a photo ID is NOT  an infringement upon rights
18:50 <@RangerZ> but.... if 80% of blacks don't HAVE that idea
18:50 <@RangerZ> and 95 % of whites do
18:50 < aestetix> RangerZ: one argument is that because you have to pay for a photo ID, it's a form of poll tax
18:50 <@oddball> Ok, then let's remove that requirement for all rights! :)
18:50 < aestetix> another issue is that you must have a valid ID, meaning it can't be expired
18:50 <@RangerZ> aestetix: they get around that by giving 'state photo ID' (non-driver) for free
18:50 < aestetix> who is they
18:51 <@oddball> aestetix: Depends on the state.  TN offers a photo ID for free.
18:51 <@RangerZ> the states that enacted the law
18:51 < aestetix> interesting
18:51 <@RangerZ> they HAD to, otherwise its one of the 'few' parts of the voting rights act still in tact
18:51 < aestetix> but yeah read Ginsberg's dissent
18:52 <@RangerZ> but... still the 'hassle' of going and getting it JUST to vote... is time consuming/expsensive... if you don't have babysitter/car(obviously you don't b/c no ID already)
18:52 <@RangerZ> plus.... states deciding that "hunting liscense" is good to vote
18:52 < aestetix> yep
18:52 <@RangerZ> but "state issues student ID" is not
18:52 <@oddball> RangerZ: TN offered a free photo ID before the idea of requiring photo IDs to vote was a big thing.
18:52 < aestetix> http://www.salon.com/2014/10/20/ruth_bader_ginsburg_destroys_gops_lie_why_voter_id_is_the_rights_new_poll_tax/
18:52 <@RangerZ> -> Shenanigans
18:52 <@RangerZ> oddball: I'm not saying thats a bad thing
18:52 < aestetix> ok that doesn't link to the actual dissent
18:53 <@RangerZ> oddball: I actually agree that photo ID should be required
18:53 < aestetix> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/18/ruth-bader-ginsburg-voter-id-dissent_n_6007612.html
18:53 <@RangerZ> BUT.... after .... getting a photo ID is easy/done by the majority of the citizens
18:53 < aestetix> this does link to it
18:53 <@RangerZ> my issues with it ... is how its applied
18:54 <@oddball> RangerZ: Because even "State schools" essentially operate as private entities, why carry permits and hunting licenses with photo IDs are typically handled by the state's department of safety.
18:54 <@oddball> RangerZ: ah, ok.
18:54 < aestetix> RangerZ: have you read her dissent?
18:54 <@RangerZ> oddball: and the short amount of time to tell 1m blacks in GA to get it, only 4mo or so
18:54 <@RangerZ> give them a year or two to get ready
18:54 <@Evilpig> http://lootcrate.tumblr.com/post/105194535537/square-enix-has-released-a-new-teaser-for-the
18:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Loot Crate: Epic Gear For Geeks + Gamers, Square Enix has released a new teaser for the... (at lootcrate.tumblr.com)
18:54 <@RangerZ> thats all I'm saying
18:55 < aestetix> There's also the immigration question
18:55 <@oddball> Oh, yeah... there needs to be ample time between the enactment of such requirement and enforcement.
18:55 <@RangerZ> oddball: they were trying 3~4 mo in different states
18:55 <@RangerZ> and state ID in many states is more legit than hunting IDs
18:55 <@RangerZ> state STUDENT ID*
18:56 < aestetix> I agree that a student ID is a state id
18:56 <@RangerZ> b/c hunting liscense in OHIO does NOT have photo
18:56 <@RangerZ> etc
18:56 <@oddball> How so?
18:56 <@RangerZ> but is legal
18:56 <@RangerZ> my my YSU ID isn't
18:56 <@oddball> right... and therefor would not be considered a vailed *photo* ID.
18:56 <@oddball> er valid
18:56 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure that 'Queer Hunting Licence' your uncle has isn't real
18:56 <@RangerZ> but the law doesn't say 'photo id'
18:56 < aestetix> What's the difference between a legal ID and a state issued ID?
18:57 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: nah, its my couisin, and he's the one being hunted
18:57 <@oddball> Then that's not in line with what I'm advocating.
18:57 <@RangerZ> not the hunter
18:57 <@RangerZ> oddball: but thats the shit laws we have now
18:57 <@RangerZ> I pretty much agree with you, but the laws passed so far, have been far from 'ideal' (or legal ... in many cases)
18:57 <@oddball> And I disagree with that law.  At that point, you're back to where TN is now, where you just have to have your paper voter's card.
18:58 < aestetix> I see nothing wrong with asking people to show a voter's card
18:58 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: nice find
18:58 < aestetix> Among other things, that proves your residency.
18:58 < aestetix> I fill out a form, they mail it to me. That is all that you should need to vote.
18:59 < aestetix> That said, when I have voted here, they just ask you what your address is.
19:00 <@oddball> aestetix: The problem is that the voter's card (which has no photo on it) proves nothing about your identity other than you're the guy holding the card.
19:00 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe this is the asshat I was talking about trying to setup "stings"
19:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: James O'Keefe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
19:00 <@RangerZ> etc
19:00 < aestetix> oddball: the answer to that is, how big of a problem do we actually have with someone stealing someone's card to vote?
19:00 <@oddball> ah, him
19:01 <@RangerZ> aestetix: not really an issue, but its the latest road block for the GOP to put into voting
19:01 <@RangerZ> b/c the 'harder' it is to vote, the better they do
19:01 <@oddball> aestetix: after their dead?  Turns out Rufus smith is the dog?
19:01 < aestetix> I mean, the way it is set up, one person could in theory vote twice or more, but then others don't get to vote.
19:01 < aestetix> And the question is, should the state handle that, or let the people bicker among themselves.
19:01 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yes, but in a LOT of elections that single vote could matter
19:02 <@RangerZ> city/county more so than 'state'/federal
19:02 < aestetix> Also, if someone really wants to, what's to prevent them from getting a fake iD
19:02 < aestetix> oddball: your SSN card doesn't have a photo on it either
19:03 <@RangerZ> aestetix: the ever increasing difficulty in creating them
19:03 <@RangerZ> your SSN is NOT a form of ID
19:03 <@RangerZ> just read the back of it
19:03 <@RangerZ> LOL
19:03 <@RangerZ> (yes I know... it IS... but shouldn't be)
19:03 < aestetix> uh
19:03 < aestetix> I don't think you need to have a perfect looking ID. Just one good enough to fool whoever is volunteering at the voting place
19:04 <@RangerZ> aestetix: SSN was ONLY passed b/c it said it would never be 'manditory' and would always be a non-ID
19:04 < aestetix> Honestly, I think there is a MUCH more pressing issue with campaign finance than there is with voter id fraud
19:04 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yes, which is why this entire convo is kinda amusing/moot point
19:04 <@RangerZ> my point was that for ONLINE VOTING, a system would be good
19:04 < aestetix> lol
19:05 <@RangerZ> but I don't think elections should be held on ELECTRONICS
19:05 < aestetix> RangerZ: the issue with that is you can't have anonymous ballots.
19:05 < aestetix> without making it really technical
19:05 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I never said I WANT anonymous ballots
19:05 <@RangerZ> I'm well aware that they shouldn't be anonymous
19:05 <@RangerZ> they should just be 'hard to read'
19:05 < aestetix> wait
19:06 < aestetix> why don't you want anonymous ballots?
19:06 < aestetix> isn't the whole point so that you can vote freely?
19:06 <@RangerZ> let me finish
19:06 <@Dagmar> Why because they require an immednse amount of computation
19:06 <@Dagmar> Far more than any normal person can ever manage
19:06 <@oddball> Ah, sorry, it was a state rep. in CT that got hit with 19 charges of voter fraud: http://tinyurl.com/kjy9nlt
19:06 <@Dagmar> It's completely unreasonable
19:06 <@RangerZ> the book with the ballot # and the coorosponding names... should be kept seperate from the ballots, and require a non-secret court order, to be compared with
19:07 <@RangerZ> thats how OHIO ran it for decades
19:07 <@oddball> also, purely electronic voting is entirely too easy to rig.
19:07 <@RangerZ> aestetix: Ohio 2004... the election was STOLEN for bush
19:07 <@RangerZ> b/c "the same people who voted for the most liberal judge in ohio recent history... also voted for bush"
19:07 < aestetix> yep
19:07 <@Dagmar> Very easy to fudge.  Just ask Diebold.
19:08 <@Dagmar> Wait, they're not answering any questions about that
19:08 <@RangerZ> and that shit did NOT hapen
19:08 <@RangerZ> e-voting machines are fucking joke
19:08 < aestetix> I think the easiest way to vote.... give someone a pen and a piece of paper and have them check the boxes.
19:08 < aestetix> Or fill in the circle or whatever
19:08 <@RangerZ> coyahoga county jail had 2 "visitors" for the 2004 election
19:09 < aestetix> and then put it in a box
19:09 <@RangerZ> but they most they could PROVE they did, was delete the HDDs from 2 machines illegally
19:09 < aestetix> and don't burn the box
19:09 <@RangerZ> not what they DID on the mahcines before that
19:10 <@RangerZ> aestetix: filling in the circle
19:10 <@RangerZ> that way 'scantron' machines can tally them super fast
19:10 < aestetix> sure ok whatever
19:10 <@RangerZ> its what Mahoning county has gone back to
19:10 < aestetix> instead of putting it on digital ecards that magically lose the votes
19:10 <@RangerZ> the fucking GOP was PISSED that the democrats would be voting on paper
19:10 <@RangerZ> but... the way ohio is setup... they couldn't 'force' them to use e-voting machines
19:11 <@RangerZ> but again
19:12 <@RangerZ> this is another issue that will need to be adressed once we get money out of politcs
19:12 <@RangerZ> "get it out" (as much as possible)
19:12 <@RangerZ> elections , and more importantly.... redistricting.... should be handled by non-partisan boards
19:13 <@RangerZ> stop all this fucking jerrymandering
19:13 <@RangerZ> b/c in 2010... Democrats got 500,000 more votes (when all tallied up) for congress than republicans
19:13 < aestetix> But we know that this will all be solved by requiring ID to vote
19:13 <@RangerZ> but... b/c of jerrymandering... the house flipped to the GOP
19:15 <@oddball> aestetix: Nope.  But it's solving one issue, and is a step that I just have a hard time not seeing as sensable.
19:16 <@oddball> RangerZ: Yeah... I wish something could be done about jerrymandering.  Both sides are guilty of it to a rather extreme degree.
19:16 <@RangerZ> not really as bi-partisans as is portrayed, its more so the repblicans in the last 50 years, but yes, I agree...
19:17 <@RangerZ> I wouldn't want to "win" b/c of that either
19:17 <@RangerZ> if in 20 years that was possible
19:18 <@oddball> I would say just chop the country up into square blocks, etc, but it doesn't take long to find areas where that would mean that you're splitting neighborhoods that shouldn't be split and combining areas that shouldn't be.
19:18 <@RangerZ> only being able to vote for a SINGLE member of congress hurts the system, IL until the mid 70s had a great system I wish I could see come back
19:18 <@RangerZ> you got 3 votes, and you could allocate them however you wanted for 3 seats
19:18 <@RangerZ> if you are a republican in a democratic section of town/etc
19:18 <@Dagmar> If you or I attempted to change the voting districts around in a matter that suits us better, we'd be arrested for treason.
19:18 <@RangerZ> put all 3 on the republican you want
19:18 <@oddball> And if you don't believe me, just check out reality sites that split up Nashville in pie slices instead of by neighborhood.
19:18 <@RangerZ> that way you end up with 2/1 split most of the time
19:19 <@RangerZ> oddball: i completely agree, its BS the way jerrymandering happens on either side
19:20 <@RangerZ> which is why independant non-partisan boards is the way to go
19:20 <@RangerZ> not 'perfect' but nothing is
19:20 <@Dagmar> Voting districts should be designed as contigous blocks of territory, and selected/approved by people who are not politicians.
19:21 <@oddball> yep
19:21 <@Dagmar> Call them up like jurors.
19:21 <@Dagmar> In fact, pull them from the very areas they're trying to district
19:22 <@RangerZ> i dunno... i'd rather have appointed cartographors
19:22 <@RangerZ> etc
19:22 <@RangerZ> we've seen how easy it is to sway a 'grand jury' to what you want
19:22 <@RangerZ> lol
19:22 <@Dagmar> I think with a reasonable set of rules and access to census data, the average person could manage to draw blobs on a map
19:22 <@RangerZ> http://redistrictinggame.org/
19:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: The ReDistricting Game (at redistrictinggame.org)
19:22 <@Dagmar> A group of say, 30-40 of them should be able to do so fairly easily
19:23 <@Dagmar> None of this shit where a district is actually two to five neighborhoods ten miles apart with a ten foot wide strip connecting them that follows a sewer line
19:26 <@RangerZ> ohh I agree... I just worry about the random sampling of that not being 'random'
19:26 <@RangerZ> I think appointed by different parties/groups would have a more advasarial nature
19:27 <@RangerZ> and would result in more reliable mapping
19:27 <@RangerZ> but 'ehh'
19:27 <@RangerZ> and you could easily do both, and see which is mathematically better
19:28 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... people who pull that shit should be smacked with a trout and made to sit in a corner to think about what they've done.
19:28 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhTrhyYHgI yeah...lets cut pell grant
19:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Politicians Finally Work Together...To Screw College Students - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:29 <@RangerZ> fuck it all
19:30 <@oddball> grants and scholarships have actually ended up being part of what's fucked students.  Schools have looked at the addition of them and said "oh goody! there's more money out there for this, so we can charge more!"
19:31 <@Dagmar> It's the standard problem of paying for things via loans.
19:31 <@RangerZ> yeah I don't agree with that
19:31 <@Dagmar> There is less "concern" involved, so inflation hits hard.
19:31 <@RangerZ> its more about BS majors
19:31 <@Dagmar> ...and no I am not talking about 'concern' like 'I am concerned for your welfare'.
19:32 <@Dagmar> "Concern" is actually a financial term pertaining to how precious a resource is to someone
19:32 <@oddball> Oh, I understood what you meant.
19:32 <@RangerZ> college was completely free in Cali until Ronald Reagan
19:32 <@Dagmar> Money that is loaned involves intrinsically less "concern" than money that isn't
19:33 <@oddball> It's like the folks that get car leases and don't realize that that means they're renting a car for 5 years.
19:33 <@Dagmar> ...which is fairly fucked up because that money ends up costing the borrower more in the long run
19:33 <@Dagmar> ...but banks are _always_ willing to loan someone just a little more money.
19:33 <@Dagmar> oddball: That's okay.  Many of them are taking a pretty hefty tax deduction for it
19:34 <@Dagmar> 40% of that winds up coming off their income
19:34 <@oddball> Or the places that respond to the question of "how much" with "oh, only x per month."  No, motherfucker, how much?
19:34 <@Dagmar> I like to pull out my calculator, do the numebrs on the spot, and say things like, "Wait... You actually expect me to spend $165,000 on *this* car?"
19:35 <@RangerZ> http://www.salon.com/2013/07/11/oregon_students_partner/
19:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Oregon may have solved the student loan crisis - Salon.com (at www.salon.com)
19:35 <@RangerZ> pay 1.5% of your income after you graduate for 20 years
19:35 <@RangerZ> done
19:35 <@RangerZ> over with
19:36 <@RangerZ> if you go into being an underpaid teacher... or a high roller exec
19:36 <@RangerZ> still just 1.5%
19:37 <@Dagmar> 1.5% if you went to a community college
19:37 <@RangerZ> and?
19:37 <@Dagmar> 3% for "real" schools
19:37 <@RangerZ> a lot of people SHOULD be going to cc
19:37 <@Dagmar> Still, it ain't much
19:37 <@Dagmar> Quite reasonable
19:38 <@Dagmar> ...and their plan is manageable
19:39 <@Dagmar> If at some point it's determined that these people are paying too much and that the state should be funding colleges more as a public good, they can always assign the people still paying it _tiny tax deductions_
19:39 <@Dagmar> Like, reduce their tax rate by .5%
19:39 <@RangerZ> yeah
19:39 <@RangerZ> OR invest it more into the schools... either way I'm fine with
19:43 <@RangerZ> the real problem is that BS or BSAS has become the new "HS grad" standard
19:44 < aestetix> it's really interesting watching your twitter follower count grow or fall during a heated argument
19:49 <@RangerZ> see
19:49 <@RangerZ> thats your problem
19:49 <@RangerZ> having 'heated arguements' on a broadcast medium
19:54 < aestetix> Maybe I should take out my anger by sending Bahhumbug more links
19:55 <@Bahhumbug> Go ahead.  From this moment on they will be forwarded to Freenode staff.
19:56 < aestetix> all my links?
19:56 <@Bahhumbug> You're smart.  You figure it out.
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20:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix: This isn't fucking 4chan.  Stop treating it like such.
20:07 <@Bahhumbug> You're wasting your breath.  You've told him this in the past, he hasn't listened.  He treats it like a game.
20:07 <@Bahhumbug> So fuck it.  I'm just going to pass each and every image that crosses the lines to staffers and let them deal with it.
20:07 <@Bahhumbug> The namby-pambies here whine and cry when I ban him and just unban him, so fuck it.
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> I find it amusing that Mercster and cirkit did far less to get perma-banned from this channel.
20:08 <@Shadow404> heh, i actually miss mercsters antics
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> I don't.  But at least he wasn't posting tasteless and digusting images.
20:11 <@Evilpig> lol
20:11 <@Evilpig> bill cosby on southpark this week
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20:19 <@Evilpig> "omg it's a black guy.  shoot em.  choke him.  shoot him then choke him"
20:36 < _NSAKEY> I'm an hour behind on scrollback, but you can actually get arrested in metro for not having an ID.
20:37 < _NSAKEY> Back when Dickerson Rd was being cleaned up, they ran out of things to arrest people for and stopped over 400 people who were walking around and asked for ID.
20:37 < _NSAKEY> When they couldn't provide it, they went to jail.
20:38 <@oddball> Damnit.  Forgot to watch the Librarians...
20:39 <@Evilpig> I'll be snatching it shortly
20:40 <@oddball> bwah? eztv.it is down.
20:41 <@Evilpig> been down since tpb went don
20:41 <@Evilpig> their feeds are back up through bt-chat
20:41 <@oddball> Really? huh... was thinking I had hit it since then.
20:41 <@oddball> Didn't realize they were tied to each other.
20:41 <@Evilpig> bt-chat pulls in feeds from many places
20:42 < _NSAKEY> You can find magnet links from archived TPB links, or so I've heard.
20:42 <@Evilpig> their site is still down but their tracker is up so it's feeding some of the shit on teh side
20:42 < _NSAKEY> Cached google results are your 100% hypothetical friend.
20:42 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: not for shit that is on tv right this second
20:42 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Very true.
20:42 <@Dagmar> Don't forget there's also delishows
20:43 <@Evilpig> oddball: http://rss.bt-chat.com/?group=3
20:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: BT-Chat.comBT-Chat.com (at rss.bt-chat.com)
20:43 <@Bahhumbug> torrentz.ch - meta search for most of the larger groups / sites
20:43 <@Evilpig> librarians is an hour long right?
20:43 <@Dagmar> This one is
20:43 <@Evilpig> it still has 15 minutes
20:43 <@Dagmar> The episode numbers are all coming up weird in MythTV
20:43 <@Bahhumbug> bt-chat is fine if you only care about sd rips; they don't do more than 480p.
20:44 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: there is an older librarians show, make sure you target Librarians (2014)
20:44 <@Dagmar> Like, the first night was obviously 101 & 102, but tonight's ep appears to be numbered 104
20:44 <@oddball> Evilpig: yep
20:44 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I hardly think they'd air a two hour special of the old one
20:44 <@Dagmar> ...plus I look at Original Airdate info
20:44 <@Bahhumbug> You guys liking the new Librarians show?  I found the first (double) episode quite entertaining.
20:44 <@Dagmar> Mythweb is basically crap and I will eventually replace it
20:44 <@oddball> Dagmar: Really? Comcast has it listed as episode 3
20:44 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I'll watch anything with Lindy Booth in it
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: heh
20:45 <@Evilpig> http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=281709  S01E03 shoudl be on tonight according the tvdb
20:45 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah I don't know if its the production numbers since sometimes shows get aired out of sequence, or just an error in the TMS feed
20:45 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Yep.  Also a big fan of the 3 Libraian movies that spawned it.
20:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Librarians (2014): Series Info (at thetvdb.com)
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: I was not aware that there were movies.  Off to netflix I go.
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks.
20:45 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: I liked the first episdoe
20:45 <@Dagmar> solarmovie.so is more like it
20:46 <@oddball> Yep.  Also produced by TNT and staring Noah Wilde.
20:47 <@oddball> Evilpig: That RSS link you threw up... what am I looking at?
20:48 <@Dagmar> I'd like to say again... more Lindy Booth is always good
20:48 <@Bahhumbug> Queued.  Thanks again, oddball.
20:48 <@Evilpig> eztv's listings
20:48 <@oddball> ah
20:51 <@oddball> Dagmar: She is cute
21:01 <@Evilpig> I should go heat up my pie from the other night
21:01 <@Evilpig> and get this cat off my ass
21:02 <@oddball> mmm... pie
21:05 <@Dagmar> She's more than cute.  She's _delicious_
21:14 <@Dagmar> HAHAHA
21:14 <@Dagmar> Highmaul won't let you in at 99
21:14 <@Evilpig> ?
21:20 <@Dagmar> My guild is going back in to clear trash in Heroic mode
21:20 <@Dagmar> THey were asking for healers and I jokingly said "Sure!  Lemme switch to resto real quick..."
21:21 <@Dagmar> "You just mash everything that's lit up, right?"
21:21 <@Dagmar> If it let me in the door I was going to damn well make 100 quickly.  :)
21:22 <@Dagmar> Since these things now support a _variable_ number of players, you can actually say "Four healers?  SURE!"
21:22 <@Dagmar> ...but i have to admit a level 99 in greens would be really pushing it in there.
21:28 <@RangerZ> hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gURmZlrDw4Y NSFW
21:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Final Fantasy VII Will Be 16 Bucks On The PS4? Thats So Awesome! Said No One Ever... - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:28 <@RangerZ> its 11.99 on steam right now... NOT on sale...
21:30 < _NSAKEY> Square's been in Nintendo mode ever since Final Fantasy Anthology in 1999.
21:31 < _NSAKEY> At least Nintendo adds little things as a reach-around for their ports of old games.
21:32 <@RangerZ> hell just wait
21:33 <@RangerZ> nintendo bringing out emulator for handheld (just patented)
21:33 < _NSAKEY> That's not very different from how they did wii virtual console stuff.
21:33 < _NSAKEY> All of those games were just ROM dumps grabbed off the internet.
21:33 <@RangerZ> not really
21:33 <@RangerZ> yep
21:34 < _NSAKEY> They just added speed hacks to the emulator, if I'm remembering it correctly.
21:35 < _NSAKEY> I remember reading that each "game" was the ROM, an emulator that had been customized for that exact ROM, and some HTML files.
21:37 <@RangerZ> they removed people's names from sports games
21:37 <@RangerZ> etc
21:57 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OWTerxkw2k wow....
21:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sony Pictures Hack Worse Than First Anticipated | Lots Of Dirty Secrets Being Revealed - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:57 <@RangerZ> I didn't realize THAT much had been leaked
21:57 <@Dagmar> Dude.  11 _terabytes_
21:57 <@RangerZ> wow....
21:57 <@Dagmar> That's just the stuff they thought was _worth grabbing_
21:58 <@RangerZ> thats like 4 days worth of Tumblr
21:58 <@RangerZ> lol
21:58 <@RangerZ> and apparently a "christmas gift" is coming
21:59 <@RangerZ> damn... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-of-hostage-situation-inside-martin-place-cafe-live?CMP=soc_568
21:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside cafe – live | Australia news | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com)
21:59 <@RangerZ> ongoing
22:01 <@Dagmar> Well it made Sony mad enough to pull strings and have TPB taken out
22:02 <@Dagmar> ...and they've been spending money on AWS time to attempt to interfere with torrents, even
22:02 <@Dagmar> It's fairly transparent what they're trying to do
22:02 <@Dagmar> _That_ is cyber-warfare.
22:07 <@RangerZ> i agree about TPB, not sure about the AWS stuff
22:07 <@Bahhumbug> 23rd hack.  No sympathy.
22:07 <@RangerZ> what I saw on that, was sketchy as hell
22:12 <@Dagmar> Well, it's _legal_ for them to do that, and personally, I think it's a reasonable solution
22:12 <@Dagmar> I don't grok why they'd even be denying it
22:13 <@Dagmar> ...cuz i'm pretty sure they're targeting the torrents of the leaked info
22:13 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Maybe they don't want even more bad press? Than again, Sony is institutionally tone-deaf.
22:13 < _NSAKEY> Just look at how they handled the rootkit debacle years ago.
22:14 < _NSAKEY> I imagine the people at Sony just want to curl up and die, and having TPB's audience (Which skews technical) getting mad and doing revenge hacks would just pile on to their current problems.
22:15 <@Dagmar> I don't really think they'd get bad press for it being exposed they are attempting to use a _technical_ solution
22:15 < _NSAKEY> The last time they openly declared war on someone like that was George Hotz. Anonymous got involved, and someone hacked PSN.
22:15 <@Dagmar> You can't really start like, DDoSing all torrent users or something, but you _can_ actually join a torrent as a bad actor and slow things down
22:15 < _NSAKEY> *against George Hotz in 2011
22:16 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, which is what they're doing on that front.
22:16 <@Dagmar> Plus... it's _precisely_ what I would do in their position.
22:16 < _NSAKEY> I just don't think they'd want to take credit for getting TPB shut down, because they're probably afraid of even more hacks.
22:16 <@Dagmar> I don't think they _can_ be more hacked at this point.  lol
22:17 < _NSAKEY> I'd say you're right, but you never know.
22:17 <@Dagmar> It's made things chaotic enough that I saw a really hilarious video yesterday
22:17 <@Dagmar> Not that the actual problem cited is hilarious, but the situation is funny
22:18 <@Dagmar> So much shit got stirred up about that one Sony rep that since Angelina Jolie was having to skip the opening of _her new movie_ she actually put out a video explaining why
22:18 <@Dagmar> She caught _chicken pox_
22:18 <@Dagmar> lol
22:18 <@Dagmar> You can see it even.  Heh
22:18 <@Dagmar> I feel bad for her being sick but it's funny she had to admit to it
22:20 < _NSAKEY> I'm waiting for some sort of comprehensive post-mortem to get published.
22:21 < _NSAKEY> I'd like to know just how multiple terabytes of data walks out of the network without notice.
22:21 < _NSAKEY> You'd think all of these megacorps would have that sort of thing figured out by now...
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> Sony?  Figure out network security?
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> Surely you jest?
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> 23rd hack.
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, 23rd _known_ hack.
22:23 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure there have been far more penetrations that haven't become public knowledhe.
22:23 <@Bahhumbug> err, knowledge.
22:23 <@Dagmar> There's a reason we talk about risk 'mitigation'.
22:24 <@Evilpig> when you have multiple security audits and don't act on any of them.  there is no amount of mitigation in the world to counteract that
22:25 <@Bahhumbug> Part of it is the concept of face and not wanting to admit that you could have done more to affect this than you did.
22:25 <@oddball> Holy shit... All Stars mode in Smash Bros for Wii is harder than on the DS.
22:26 <@oddball> Not "can't be done" by any means, but more than the "huh-hum, I kick everyone's butt" that it is on the 3DS.
22:26 <@Evilpig> oddball: yes... yes it is
22:26 <@oddball> Just beat it with Ness after... a few tries.
22:26 <@Evilpig> i'm still struggling with hard mode all star on the 3ds
22:27 <@Evilpig> I can't remember if I finished all star on the wii-u yet or not.  haven't put much time into it lately.
22:27 <@Evilpig> not having it here at the house has definitely impacted my gaming on it
22:28 <@oddball> Where is it?
22:28 <@Evilpig> work.  :D
22:28 <@oddball> must be nice.
22:28 <@Evilpig> came in handy the other night during that over night maintenance
22:31 <@Evilpig> got decent versions of the toxic avenger 1 and 2 on plex now.  heh
22:34 <@oddball> there's a decent version? :p
22:34 <@Evilpig> decent technically speaking, not judging on content
22:39 <@oddball> damnit... why is someone setting off fireworks tonight?
22:42 <@Evilpig> cause ... ummm... freedom!
22:48 <@RangerZ> might have something to do with... Dagmar sending out free fireworks to all your neighbors and a staggered schedule which they should show their 'patriotism'
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22:55 <@oddball> Oh... it's the fact that it's one, then wait for an hour or so... then another...
23:01 <@RangerZ> anyone here worked on a game before?
23:02 <@RangerZ> I know there are a bunch of IT, etc
23:02 <@oddball> Well, if Elonka shows up to the Jan. meeting, you can ask her. :p
23:02 <@RangerZ> hardy har har
23:03 <@RangerZ> yeah I know, I was going to talk to doug and jules about that next week
23:03 <@RangerZ> hell Elonka for President
23:03 <@RangerZ> lol
23:03 <@Evilpig> night all.  i'm passing the fuck out now
23:04 <@RangerZ> wait... wahts Elonka's last name?
23:05 <@RangerZ> ok, nvm...
23:05 <@RangerZ> her linkedin pic and her other pics looked a LOT different to me for some reason
23:05 <@Evilpig> dunin
23:07 <@RangerZ> yeah I found it
23:37 < aestetix> oh hai
23:48 <@RangerZ> ?
23:48  * aestetix hugs RangerZ 
23:49 <@RangerZ> still an unknown number of hostages being held buy gunman in cafe in Sydneys CBD
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