--- Log opened Tue Dec 09 00:00:09 2014
00:00 <@benthemeek> I am not giving up on this until we really are out of money and can't raise any
00:00 <@Evilpig> and how does nashville2600 raise money?
00:00 <@Evilpig> what is the point of income?
00:01 <@benthemeek> and I dont think the con was a clusterfuck. We had some very good speakers and everyone that I know had a good time
00:01 <@Bahhumbug> Anarchival can sell her ass on a corner?
00:01 <@Bahhumbug> Just a thought.
00:01 <@benthemeek> The hack nashville cons etc have many many sponsors
00:01 <@Evilpig> what does nashville2600 do to raise money?
00:01 <@benthemeek> Derbycon etc etc etc
00:01 <@benthemeek> Our problem is a marketing one
00:01 <@Evilpig> why do they have sponsors?
00:01 <@benthemeek> and a need to get a funtional website to point to and to reach out with
00:01 <@Bahhumbug> s/marketing/leadership/
00:02 <@Evilpig> why does nashville2600 almost NEVER have them
00:02 <@Evilpig> you're glossing over the very obvious questions and answers here
00:02 <@benthemeek> You paid as you went
00:02 <@Evilpig> did we?
00:02 <@benthemeek> You didnt need a sponsor, except for food and swag
00:02 <@Evilpig> the money in the bank was operating capital
00:03 <@Evilpig> the income each year comes from two sources.  money at the door, and shirt sales
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00:03 <@Evilpig> money from sponsorship was earmarked specifically for extra shit for the con to add to it
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00:03 <@Evilpig> water bottles, drink glasses, pig roast, pizza night
00:03 <@Evilpig> the con paid for itself.  it was designed to break even because it's a not for profit con
00:04 <@Evilpig> derbycon, defcon, dragoncon... all FOR PROFIT cons
00:04 <@Evilpig> they are in the business of making money
00:04 <@Evilpig> that sponsorship money goes to pay those people and make them money
00:04 <@benthemeek> We dont want to make it a for profit con. Dru wants to make it free if he can get the sponsors for it
00:04 <@Bahhumbug> Hahahaha
00:04 <@Evilpig> dru wants a for profit con, he just won't admit it
00:04 <@benthemeek> That is his goal seriosly
00:05 <@benthemeek> No he wants to make it totally free
00:05 <@Evilpig> I know what he says
00:05 <@Evilpig> but he can't do it
00:05 <@Evilpig> he doens't have the ability
00:05 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: yeah, thats his "goal" along with 10k federal grants
00:05 <@Evilpig> that idea has been floated for years and the reality is, in this market, with that setup, it cannot be done
00:05 <@oddball> yeah... that worked when the con was in shitty hotel and it was little more than a weekend long party.
00:06 <@oddball> ...and someone was willing to sponsor the con with their credit card.
00:06 <@Evilpig> you wanna talk grants, hit up sumo_d when she pops on channel.  she'll tell you right out he's not getting grant money
00:06 < RangerZ1> out of everyone here, I've probably gotten more 'grant money' (rattle... just pure contracts... lol) and there is no way in hell to get 10k for a con without at least 1.5 years of prep work
00:06 <@benthemeek> Yeah I dont know anything about grants
00:07 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you're looking at pipedreams and look what they got this year?
00:07 < RangerZ1> it took 1.5 years to get 5k for bringing middle school girls to see the university (thank god NotLarry wasn't there...)
00:07 <@Evilpig> debt and animousity
00:07 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: With some of the recent controls that have been put in place on many grant sources I would actually double that 1.5 year estimate I think.  Expect the first proposal to be denied.
00:07 <@Evilpig> you still don't know the full financial story. 
00:08 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: yeah, I'm just being generous
00:08  * Bahhumbug nods
00:08 < RangerZ1> unless you are getting DARPA /military funding
00:08 <@Bahhumbug> Oh!  That'll end well!
00:08 < RangerZ1> then 'spend hog wild' ... until sequestration
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> darpa-sponsored phreaknic for the LULZ
00:09 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: what... I thought DARPA funding would be good
00:09 <@oddball> doooooooooooooooooood
00:09 <@benthemeek> Well he said that is what he would like; to get enough sponsors to make things free or at least really inexpensive
00:09 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: and this year was the most expensive to date
00:09 <@Evilpig> how does that plan seem to be going?
00:09 <@oddball> Oh, heh... suggestion from another IRC channel: gun friendly hacker con: discount with carry permit/open carry.
00:10 <@Evilpig> you've got a sponsor, in theory, for next year.  however that sponsor won't be giving any money to help make things happen 
00:10 <@Evilpig> but you are not obligated to promote them
00:10 < RangerZ1> oddball: how about a gun friend federal officer friendly con too
00:10 <@Evilpig> s/not/now/
00:10 <@oddball> Evilpig: ....and the next year...
00:10 < RangerZ1> 20$ off if you are a fed with a gun who shows up
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00:10 <@Evilpig> so just how much did dink sponsor?  3k?  9k?
00:11 <@benthemeek> Scott thinks 6k
00:11 <@Evilpig> if it was 9k meaning this year and the next 2...  then what was the real cost of the con
00:11 < RangerZ1> 3k the day of the con and then 6k more afterwards was how I read it
00:11 <@Evilpig> 3k the day of came out of the kitty.  my question was did he sponsor this year for 3k in addition to teh 6k for the next two year
00:12 <@oddball> I was thinking that the "full sponsorship" package was $2k, but maybe it was 3.
00:12 <@Evilpig> and there's part of the problem, again. who knows what the details were?
00:13 < RangerZ1> i dunno... at that price... I'm surprised amber didn't drop the 10k to get the "fuck Dagmar" package level
00:13 <@benthemeek> *shrugs* I still believe we can do it.
00:13 <@oddball> I had forgotten about that package.
00:13 < RangerZ1> which... he was _not_ pleased with even being thought up, lol
00:13 <@benthemeek> Corydon just comfirmed it is a little less than 6k
00:13 <@Evilpig> your belief has no ground to stand on
00:14 <@Evilpig> you're up int eh sky looking at clouds with witless leader
00:14 <@oddball> benthemeek: The problem is that you're believe that it can be done *in spite* of Fearless Leader, not because of him.
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00:14 <@benthemeek> Here is how I see it. Between now and October we need to raise some cash from a couple sponsors. Doable
00:15 < RangerZ1> and no whoring jokes
00:15 <@Evilpig> again I state why do you need sponsors?  what are they going to get from it?
00:15 <@oddball> Of course, at this point, there's nothing we can do about that.
00:15 <@benthemeek> Dru can get sponsors and talk to people. He just needs help with organizaing and communicating
00:15 <@Evilpig> yes you have to get income to make anything happen
00:15 <@Evilpig> dru can't get sponsors
00:15 <@Evilpig> or you would have had them already
00:16 <@Evilpig> if all he is doing is talking to people then he isn't the leader and needs to step the fuck aside
00:16 <@Evilpig> I can readily produce the operating capital to make phreaknic happen, but I won't
00:17 <@Evilpig> not until witless leader steps the fuck aside
00:17 <@Bahhumbug> I demand that he fall on his sword as well.
00:17 <@Bahhumbug> Or something.
00:17 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: You shouldnt have to clean up after our screw up. Dru will have to find funds for this
00:18 < RangerZ1> even just a fucking public ADMITTING of his failing and an apology
00:18 < RangerZ1> b/c until he admits it... there is NO hope of him not repeating it
00:18 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: where's the money he found this time?
00:18 <@Evilpig> what makes you think he will find it in the future?
00:18 <@Evilpig> show me one bit of evidence that shows he can organize and accomplish a goal that doesn't have someone else doing the work
00:19 <@benthemeek> IMO? Thats his job
00:19 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: because I suspect benthemeek is going to take the website away from everyone else and just do it himself... like the 'secretary' should do, lol
00:19 <@benthemeek> I can get websites going and send emails, but Im not the social butterfly who calls around places
00:19 <@benthemeek> He did last year and he will this year
00:19 <@benthemeek> We are going to be a team
00:19 <@Evilpig> he did nothing
00:19 <@Evilpig> stop believing the lie
00:20 <@Evilpig> his job as the leader is to organize and direct
00:20 <@Evilpig> he cannot do that.  he can't keep his own thoughts straight let alone what others shoudl be doing
00:20 <@benthemeek> He did. He says so and I beleive him. Its also how the extra sound equipment showed up. Also the dragoncon equipment too and Alan and LEs
00:20 <@Evilpig> get his fucking notebooks and see how many times ideas are repeated and never acted upon
00:20 <@Evilpig> "he says so and I believe him"
00:20 <@Evilpig> I say so and you don't believe me
00:21 <@Evilpig> clearly my god complex isn't high enough for belief yet
00:21 <@Evilpig> but my future predictions did come true...
00:21 <@benthemeek> lol
00:21 <@benthemeek> Dru brought people, volunteers, and equipmenrt to the con
00:21 <@benthemeek> and he did that very well
00:21 <@benthemeek> He should gte some credit
00:21 <@Evilpig> that isn't the job of the president
00:22 <@Evilpig> that's the job of everyone planning
00:22 <@benthemeek> If we keep from screwing up a contract and raise funds phreaknic will be kick ass this year
00:22 <@Evilpig> his job was to negotiate and sign the contract and delegate work to others
00:22 <@benthemeek> and I intend to make up any slack. We are a team
00:22 <@Evilpig> he delegated the contract to a crazy person, then signed off on it
00:22 <@Evilpig> you aren't a team.  you're his fucking nurse at the looney bin
00:22 <@benthemeek> lol
00:22 <@Evilpig> wake the fuck up
00:23 <@benthemeek> Well call it what you will. We will see
00:23 <@Evilpig> we won't see, we already saw
00:23 <@Evilpig> remember that predicting shit I did that came true
00:23 <@benthemeek> I have to go sleep and stuff. TTYAL
00:23 <@Evilpig> now this is the time to learn from mistakes, and you're just choosing to repeat them
00:23 <@Evilpig> here have a fork, lemme show you to the light socket
00:24 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: If it was just dru organizing again it might come true. But he will have team around him this year
00:24 <@Evilpig> the one point I can say you won't do again is sign a $10000 contract because you're already in teh fucking hole
00:24 <@Evilpig> he had a team around him last year, when the whole team is full of yes men you can say yes to anything
00:24 <@Evilpig> wake the fuck up
00:25 <@benthemeek> The wake up alarm went off two months before the con when we didnt have a website
00:25 <@benthemeek> I am awake now
00:25 <@benthemeek> I will remain so
00:25 <@benthemeek> anyways, night all
00:28 -!- Evilpig changed the topic of #se2600 to:  Geeknic :: March 20-22, 2015 http://geeknic.info | "he says so and I believe him" --benthemeek
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> <@benthemeek> The wake up alarm went off two months before the con when we didnt have a website
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> Bullshit.  If this was the case you would have ran against him last week.
00:30 <@Evilpig> "he says so and I believe him",  he also said I was out to get him, he also said I was out to sink the con, he also claimed that he contacted me for help and I refused, he also claimed that he could contact the state's attorney office to charge me
00:31 <@Evilpig> all that is true, but anything I said must be wrong despite the facts backing me
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> Pretty much, yes.
00:32 <@Evilpig> no fact vs fact.  I feel like i'm debating a devout christian
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> heh
00:32 <@Evilpig> the bible tells me so....
00:32 <@Evilpig> night bitches
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> :)
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00:32 <@Evilpig> btw... tomorrow morning is gonna blow much ass.  it's nearly 1 and i'm wound up
00:33 <@Evilpig> the alarm will be going off in 5.5hrs
00:34 <@Dagmar> Well, you can always try and figure out WTF is with the Sony hack
00:35 <@Dagmar> I'd _like_ to suspect they're asian or more likely middle eastern, and are having to use Bing to translate to English, but it's looking more like an example of what happens when someone smokes FAR too much weed, all the time
00:35 <@Dagmar> They could easily be stoners getting paranoid and running their demands through a tranaltion engine twice to remove any chance someone might ID them by linguistic analysis
00:35 < RangerZ1> I still think its NK
00:36 <@Dagmar> NK would have to _buy_ that technology
00:36 < RangerZ1> nah
00:36 <@Dagmar> Yes.
00:36 < RangerZ1> china gave it to them
00:36 < RangerZ1> NK took down all of SK's banking
00:36 <@Dagmar> Maybe if China gave them the people
00:36 <@Dagmar> ...or just plain donated the man-hours.
00:36 < RangerZ1> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/world/asia/south-korea-computer-network-crashes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
00:37 <@Dagmar> NK is so terribly backward I don't think we'll have to worry about any hacker geniuses coming out of there for at least a decade
00:37 < RangerZ1> the NK tops leave the country for education
00:37 < RangerZ1> kim jong un went to sweeden for univ.
00:37 < RangerZ1> etc
00:38 <@Dagmar> So they'd literally *have* to cut a deal with China for training
00:39 <@Dagmar> Oh I see what Wilbur was talking about
00:39 <@Dagmar> The 'FurFest' people aren't abhorrent
00:39 <@Dagmar> Someone was either a dick, or incredibly stupid in how they handled their cleaning products
00:40 <@oddball> Ok... wow... I've read through a decent amount of the backlog of Anarchival's Twitter... and I think I dated a girl just like her in my early 20's.
00:40 <@oddball> That's... not a compliment.
00:40 <@oddball> Remember: naienko is one of the more sane girls I've dated.
00:40 <@Dagmar> I can't possibly guess who you're talking about
00:40 <@Dagmar> heh
00:41 < RangerZ1> i worry about you two
00:42 <@Dagmar> That's the chick that was openly referring to Becky as a 'horse' at one of the earlier Phreaknics, because she was intensely jealous that Becky was pretty and nice
00:42 <@Dagmar> Talking about her teeth
00:43 <@oddball> I don't remember that, but I can believe it.
00:44 <@Dagmar> I was fairly unamused by the behaviour
00:44 <@oddball> RangerZ1: Mostly, I feel sorry for Naienko whenever she trips over a mental land mine set by the emotional abuse I took from the Crazy One.
00:45 <@Dagmar> Damn
00:45 <@oddball> As a mental cleanser from the earlier discusion, I present you this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM5hQ3Qtf-8
00:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Den Of Kittens - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:45 < RangerZ1> at least it wasn't as bad as when someone randomly asked how Dagmar and .... guess who.... (she was on her way to his apartment at the time)
00:45 <@Dagmar> When I went to update my android dev stuff tonight I didn't realize I picked the very _day_ they released Android Studio 1.0
00:45 < RangerZ1> he was NOT amused
00:47 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: yeah, it got released today
00:47 < RangerZ1> i haven't touched it yet
00:47 <@Dagmar> Well, Lindsey hasn't said a whole lot to me all this month, so maybe, just maybe, it's safe for me to have female friends now
00:47 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: It's 833Mb in size
00:47 < RangerZ1> the previous versions have all been buggy as fuck with certain features
00:48 < RangerZ1> it includes, JRE, JDK, intelliJ, Gradle, Groovy, etc
00:48 <@Dagmar> 1.0 releases generally are
00:48 <@Dagmar> Not according to the download page it doesn't
00:48 < RangerZ1> ....wow...
00:48 <@Dagmar> You still have to go download your own JDK under Windows at least
00:48 < RangerZ1> then mv
00:48 < RangerZ1> nvm
00:48 <@oddball> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
00:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Admiral Ackbar - "Its A Trap!" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:48 <@Dagmar> heh
00:49 < RangerZ1> I'm just waiting for Nadia to come over and Lindsey to call him for the first time when she pulls in
00:50 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm not saying I don't expect there will be some kind of blowup if I actually start "dating" someone
00:50 < RangerZ1> you should introduce her to amber
00:51 <@Dagmar> No.
00:51 < RangerZ1> and then tell her you're going to date her
00:51 <@Dagmar> THat would require me to willingly interact with Crazypant
00:51 < RangerZ1> nah... not for long
00:51 < RangerZ1> it would become a cage match quickly
00:51 < RangerZ1> and I think we all know who would win
00:51 <@oddball> oo! sells tickets to fun PN!
00:51 <@oddball> er fund
00:52 <@Dagmar> I've got better things to do with my time than even think about Crazypants
00:54 <@Dagmar> Oh wow.
00:54 <@Dagmar> Just avoid um... all of southeast nashville tomorrow
00:54 <@Dagmar> President coming into town
00:54 <@oddball> I wish I could
00:54 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Presidential-Visit-Prompts-Road-Closures-285142421.html
00:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Presidential Visit Prompts Road Closures - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
00:54 <@oddball> Any news as to *when* he's coming and and leaving?
00:55 <@Dagmar> Well, he's supposed to be going to some place on Nolensville Road, so maybe if you primarily avoid using that you'll be fine
00:55 < RangerZ1> I got caught in biden's last visit
00:55 <@Dagmar> They _never_ give precise timeframes on that
00:55 < RangerZ1> I cut through an alley and was like WTF
00:55 < RangerZ1> no cars on broadway either direction, and cops standing there
00:56 < RangerZ1> i was like.... ohhh fuck
00:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah well... that robot that was running for president awhile back... I nearly _stepped_ on him
00:56 <@oddball> Yeah... it's at a community center near the 440 Nolensville exit.
00:56 <@oddball> My TKD class tomorrow night is near where Harding and Nolensville meet.
00:56 <@Dagmar> I was heading to the Tennesee Tower and I cut through Legislative plaza (instead of walking around the whole damn thing) using a pair of doors I knew were generally unlocked.
00:56 <@Dagmar> I came out the back side and there's Bob Dole and one dude in a suit.
00:57 < aestetix> jesus
00:57 <@Dagmar> Maybe five feet from me
00:57 < aestetix> the protest in Berkley has taken over the i-80 highway
00:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The LA Fire is more interesting
00:57 <@Dagmar> It's a _big_ damn fire
00:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: at this point I think the whole world is on fire
00:58 <@oddball> Oh, one time I was heading to a party in Cookville not knowing that Biden was coming in.  Being the only guy on the interstate and seeing cop cars blocking all on ramps is damned spooky.
00:58 < aestetix> http://abc7news.com/live/
00:58 <@Dagmar> Well, I Mr Dole looked at me, I looked at him, and he looked a little surprised/amused, and glanced at the guy with the suit
00:58 <@Dagmar> I said, "Ah... I suspect I wasn't supposed to be able to get to here, was I?"
00:59 <@Dagmar> ...cuz I could see cops at either end of the street.
00:59 < aestetix> http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/12/08/woman-reportedly-goes-into-labor-while-stuck-in-traffic-after-protesters-shut-down-i-80-in-berkeley/
00:59 < aestetix> sweet
00:59 <@Dagmar> He actually said "Nope." as the suited dude turned around, and I and my toolbox pulled my "turns into smoke" act and went right back through the door I came out of
01:00 <@Dagmar> ...which definitely doesn't open from the street side.
01:00 <@Dagmar> I had shit to fix.  No intention of spending the rest of the day answering goddamn questions of secret service agents
01:00 <@Dagmar> The man was safe, and I figured it wouldn't hurt them to wonder wtf happened there
01:01 < aestetix> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/joncana?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed
01:01 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't have voted for him, but I cound't really imagine bothering with being rude to Bob Dole.  I kinda felt sorry for him
01:01 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: something similar happened to me, but I happen to know the back entrance to the restaurant that EVERY nominee has visited the last like 3 presidential elections
01:01 <@Dagmar> Rolling cordons apparently aren't easy
01:02 < RangerZ1> but its the way I ...always... used to get there
01:02 <@Dagmar> Well, I literally cut through the double-doors that are behind the big statue at Legislative Plaza
01:02 < RangerZ1> mccain when he was running walked in and the guy infront of him was like... who are you...
01:03 < RangerZ1> my notacon 9 shirt on... with bookbag
01:03 < RangerZ1> maybe notacon 5...
01:03 < RangerZ1> i forget
01:03 <@Dagmar> heh
01:03 < RangerZ1> "I'm the guy trying to get some dinner, and you?"
01:03 <@Dagmar> I can respect that kind of answer
01:04 < aestetix> Those protesters don't look like angry black people.
01:04 < RangerZ1> its not like the place is 'secret' or anything
01:04 < RangerZ1> but apparently they had 'screened' the place before they let him in
01:04 < RangerZ1> and between that... i 'snuck' in
01:04 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Well, if they'll not tear up a bunch of shit, maybe they'll be heading in the right direction
01:05 < RangerZ1> so... 3 min later after metal detector... I was 'free to go'
01:05 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yeah, I've got a rough idea of how they work that stuff out from the number of times I was downtown when someone Important was there
01:05 < RangerZ1> i kinda chuckled  (not out loud, b/c i'm not stupid)
01:05 <@Dagmar> ...so I figured if I got nabbed being that close to a presidential candidate I would have at _least_ three guys spending the rest of their day giving he shit
01:05 <@Dagmar> s/he/me/
01:06 <@Dagmar> Normally I do not run from stuff, and technically I didn't "run" then
01:06 < RangerZ1> I was lucky that I had my YSU id on me.... and _legit_ text books, etc
01:06 < RangerZ1> 'walked fast'
01:06 < RangerZ1> aestetix: sucks to be you
01:07 <@Dagmar> Well, I was wearing a rather anonymous looking white dress shirt, beige slacks, and carrying a _large red toolbox_
01:07 <@Dagmar> Just full of implements for causing mayhem... to computers
01:07 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: like every assassin in every movie ever?
01:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Somethin' like that
01:07 < RangerZ1> hehe
01:07 <@Dagmar> All of these bits collided in my head in about the time it took me to say what I said
01:07 < aestetix> RangerZ1: sucks to be someone on the highway right now
01:08 < RangerZ1> wave if they zoom in on your apt
01:08 < RangerZ1> lol
01:08 < aestetix> lol fuck you
01:08 <@Dagmar> Luckily for me, seeing someone I Should Not Be Seeing In Person tends to be one of those things that makes my mind ask and answer a whole lot of questions, very fast.
01:08 <@Dagmar> Thanks, LSD.
01:08 <@Dagmar> :)
01:09 <@Dagmar> ...cuz the first one is generally, "Wait... am I tripping?"
01:09 <@Dagmar> ...followed rapidly by a series of explorations on the nature of "How can I be sure?"
01:10 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/jackiehasa/status/542184647543648256/photo/1
01:10 <@Dagmar> ...and as an added bonus there's a very strong undercurrent of "DON'T GET ARRESTED NOW"
01:10 < aestetix> they took over the highway
01:10 <@Dagmar> lol
01:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Oh look.  A twitter user who hasn't figured out how to use a nav program that will work around traffic
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01:11 < aestetix> Actually, if someone is trying to get from SF to Oakland, the bay bridge is the only way to go.
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01:13 <@Dagmar> That's not the Bay Bridge tho
01:13 < aestetix> yeah it doesn't actually look like they went there
01:13 < aestetix> I mean the thing is
01:13 < aestetix> once again they are shutting down the highway at night
01:14 < aestetix> if they wanted to make a major impact, shut it down during rush hour
01:14 <@Bahhumbug> They'd get run over.
01:14 < aestetix> I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying it's more logical.
01:14 <@Dagmar> Oops.
01:14 < RangerZ1> aestetix: logic isn't part of this
01:14 < RangerZ1> otherwise they would shut down the OAK port
01:15 < RangerZ1> and FUCK the economy
01:15 <@Dagmar> They're not being total dicks
01:15 < aestetix> RangerZ1: and get the national guard called in.
01:15 < RangerZ1> it would make a STATEMENT
01:15 < RangerZ1> wouldn't it?
01:15 < aestetix> Because the port is partly under federal jurisdiction.
01:15 <@Dagmar> Traffic info says that interchage is already jacked down to one lane just inside Oakland due to construction
01:16 < aestetix> but yeah all these protesters look like early 20s white kids.
01:16 < RangerZ1> ok... fucking DC has jumped the shark.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clvus6OX560
01:16 <@Dagmar> Well, hopefully they'll do their ten minutes or whatever up there, and then clear out for traffic
01:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: SYFY Developing Krypton TV Series - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:17 <@Dagmar> I just passed word to the other Ingress players (on our faction) about the pres visit tomorrow
01:18 <@Dagmar> Hack the wrong portal at the wrong time and you could wind up in some annoyance
01:19 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_hOomLtuuQ whoa... capcom fucked up
01:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Street Fighter V & Capcoms Copyright Claims - Angry Rant - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:19 <@Dagmar> hehe the cops are asking hte protestor groups here to please not fuck with shit tomorrow
01:20 < RangerZ1> called 'copyright' on a video ....which they sent him press credentials....
01:22 <@Dagmar> Well, I would assume Joe at least knows to dispute the claim
01:22 < aestetix> RangerZ1: apparently they did a "die-in" on the train tracks blocking amtrak
01:26 < RangerZ1> the ones in NYC seem to actually be having 'some' impact
01:26 < RangerZ1> but they aren't RIOTING  (needlessly)
01:29 <@Dagmar> dratted Chuy's
01:33 <@Dagmar> It's tasty but I so rarely eat that kind of food.  :/
01:38 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1Q3yY8hT8 fuck this
01:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: 20th Anniversary PS4 Sells For 15k On eBay - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:39 < RangerZ1> don't blame the seller
01:39 < RangerZ1> but stilll
01:49 < aestetix> http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_video.php?pk_vid=0000006815
01:50 < aestetix> NSA hearing starts around the 40 minute mark
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05:22 < RangerZ1> so we have 0 statewide elected democrats in 'The South' and no state houses being Democratic
05:22 < RangerZ1> .... too bad republicans ONLY have the south/mountain states really now
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07:40 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:55 <@Evilpig> we've apparently got a noreaster going on here this morning.  flooding and wrecks everywhere
07:55 <@Evilpig> I texted my coworker, that's habitually late, at 6:45 saying "there are wrecks in both directions on i287" meaning leave early...
07:56 <@Evilpig> he'll be 30 minutes late i'm betting
08:02 <@Evilpig> he just texted me asking how long it took me on the interstate...
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08:06 <@Evilpig> time to go down and check on this fiber they were finishing up last night when I left
08:19 <@Dolemite> Oiy.  Finally read all of the scrollback from last night.
08:26 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: the channel topic should have summed that all up 
08:37 <@Dolemite> Yeah, unfortunately it's an understatement
08:38 < aestetix> http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/full-episodes/9pryj4/december-8--2014---barack-obama
08:38 <@Dolemite> Well at this point I really don't care if Nashville 2600 Corporation continues or not.  There are no viable assets left, anyway.
08:38 <@Evilpig> wtf.  how do I not have slingblade on my server?
08:39 <@Dolemite> The most valuable asset it has is the 501(c)3 determination, which would seriously be in jeopardy if someone cnotacted the IRS or State Attorney General about the mismanagement
08:39 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Make sure you pick up some mustard to go with them biscuits
08:40 <@Evilpig> Not funny 'ha-ha', funny queer...
08:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: how long did it take for the 501c3 to be approved?
08:42 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Well when it was approved 8 years ago, just a few months.  After all of the rules changes, it's a very different process, now.
08:42 < aestetix> Yeah it takes like 1.5 years now
08:42 <@Dolemite> I highly doubt that they could get 501(c)3 determination under the current rules
08:44 <@Dagmar> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/08/mika-brzezinski-furries-awkward-morning-joe-segment_n_6288468.html LOOOL
08:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mika Brzezinski Learns About Furries, Proceeds To Run Off Set (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
08:47 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that would have been better if they had a furry on set
08:48 <@Evilpig> she just ran away to keep people from hearing her bust out laughing
08:49 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: You think I should submit my own name for this?  http://www.datacenterworld.com/spring/data-center-manager-of-the-year/
08:50 <@Dolemite> The last several years all of the nominees have been three letter execs over very large corporate data centers
08:51 < aestetix> Dolemite: submit the director of the NSA
08:51 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I rescind the previously given hugs
08:55 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: go for it.  what is there to lose
08:55 <@Dolemite> I may ask my group leader to submit it for me
08:55 <@Dolemite> That way she can talk about not just the openDCIM work but also what I do here at the lab
08:56 <@Evilpig> did you look at any of the tweets out of crazypants from last night, Dolemite?
08:56 <@Dolemite> I saw what was posted in scrollback
08:56 <@Dolemite> I have no desire to sift through her actual feed
08:57 <@Dolemite> Though I'm a little curious as to what she was saying about nerdboy
08:59 <@Evilpig> that she was disappointed she wasn't fucking him at pn
08:59  * Evilpig throws up in his mouth
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09:00 <@Evilpig> egad!  http://explosm.net/comics/new/
09:01 <@Evilpig> bah.  they've redesigned their site and fuckered my link
09:15 <@Dagmar> Intereting
09:15 <@Dagmar> The pirate bay appears to be down
09:17 <@Dagmar> It also has an incredibly weird route
09:17 <@Dagmar> From here, to Germany, to Japan, back to NYC.
09:17 <@Evilpig> they lose another domain?
09:19 <@brimstone> http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/ looks down too :/
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09:26 <@Dagmar> I think it's the site that's down.  DNS seems fine.
09:26 <@Dagmar> I am a bit baffled about that routing tho
09:29 <@shapr> good morning?
09:35 <@Dickie> nah
09:36 <@Dagmar> Definitely not
09:43 <@Dagmar> =D http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/full-episodes/9pryj4/december-8--2014---barack-obama
09:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: December 8, 2014 - Barack Obama - The Colbert Report - Full Episode | Comedy Central (at thecolbertreport.cc.com)
09:43 < Synx|hm> anybody know how to disable calling (including 911!!!) on an android phone?
09:44 < Synx|hm> i picked up a 9 dollar android phone at kroger and its CDMA so no sim pull
09:44 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure you *can* disable 911.
09:44 <@Dagmar> If you don't have service 911 is the only thing it'll dial
09:45 < Synx|hm> bummer
09:45 < Synx|hm> i wanted to give the kiddo the phone and he is sure to figure out how to dial 911
09:46 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm: Which model was the phone?
09:46 < _NSAKEY> (Just curious because $9 sounds low for an android burner.)
09:46 <@Dagmar> You can turn off the cdma radio, but it's easy to turn it back on in settings
09:47 < Synx|hm> coolpad arise
09:47 < Synx|hm> from kroger
09:47 < Synx|hm> dont think the sale is still on
09:47 < Synx|hm> was 9.9 for a dual core 4.4 near stock android phone
09:47 < Synx|hm> but i purchased with a cc so no burner for me lol
09:51 <@Dagmar> https://krogeriwireless.com/shop/smartphones/coolpad-arise still on sale
09:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: i-wireless | Coolpad Arise | i-wireless (at krogeriwireless.com)
09:51  * benthemeek goes back and reads anarchival's tweets to join in the party
09:52 <@benthemeek> Well she is moving it appears.
09:52 <@benthemeek> ... and very drunk again
09:52 <@benthemeek> so who knows if that is real
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10:00 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: Not to beat a dead horse, but my comment "He said so and I believe him" Was his contacting other companies etc. And people and stuff showed up that get contacted. Lets for a minute assume that the simplest answer is in fact the correct onw
10:01 <@benthemeek> Dru signed a contract with out floating it to the other officers or at least involving me and it wont happen again.
10:02 < aestetix> benthemeek: btw, have you read the Brothers Karamazov?
10:02 <@benthemeek> He doesn't communicate with the lists so we will communicate with the lists. Everything that you dont like that happened last year we can fix
10:02 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I have not. I have a good friend that has talked with me about me numerous times though
10:02 < aestetix> heh I figured.
10:03 < aestetix> I read it.... over 10 years ago. I should revisit it.
10:03 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: do you believe or not believe that he attempted to contact me about shit before going to rattle, decius, and/or dolemite to get me to do something?
10:05 < aestetix> oh wow
10:05 < aestetix> Apparently William Shatner made his film debut in an adaptation of Brothers Karamazov
10:09 < Synx|hm> i was so fucking excited when i saw the Shat was going to be at the nashville comicon, that is until i saw the price to wait inline and say hi
10:09 <@CRasH180> My Mother paid to see him. I was like, WHAT?! No way!
10:15 <@Evilpig> I'd love to meet shatner but not for those prices
10:21 <@CRasH180> Same here
10:24 <@Evilpig> I just figured out, definitively, what is irking me about this new guy they hired
10:25 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: I have more of a relationship with you so I tend to believe you. But this is his word vs yours situation and without more evidence etc. I don't want to come down on one side and call someone a liar
10:25 <@Evilpig> he's afraid of figuring anything out on his own.  rather than go and look at a problem then ask later if he can't figure it out he wants everything explained in advance
10:25 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: there is very much evidence
10:25 <@Evilpig> I offered you my email did you get the same the other way?
10:25 <@Evilpig> and you won't
10:25 <@Evilpig> topic stands as proven
10:25 <@Evilpig> all hail christx
10:26 <@benthemeek> Me digging into your old emails and then accusing Dru of NOT contacting you.. how would that look?
10:26 <@Evilpig> jsut to make the argument for you, I could have deleted them and then cleared my trash
10:26 <@Evilpig> I could have put in a filer to block them then subsequently remove that filter to look innocent
10:26 <@Evilpig> however... can't be bothered with that nonsense
10:26 <@benthemeek> I mean we are supposed to be adults and stuff. I think we just keep him away from you and let me filter the communication between you
10:27 <@Evilpig> I have his phone number I can call him a fucktard to his damn face if I so choose to.  I prefer to do it in person and then watcht he lying coward fucking run or make up another excuse
10:27 <@Evilpig> I have no problem flopping out a lapotp for him to sign into his email and show the sent messages
10:28 <@Evilpig> dru myers is a lying fuck that will lie to suit his needs.  period.  proven
10:31 <@benthemeek> Okay then, so what I need to do is prove that. In more than just a your word against his thing then. Until then I am assuming he is a decent human being who I want to work with to make this con. Maybe I will fact check a little extra
10:32 <@Evilpig> dinosaurs never existed and evolution is a poppy cock theory
10:35 < Synx|hm> i just gambled on a fart, and LOST
10:36 < Synx|hm> thank god ive been doing my ass kegels though because i was able to hold it in the cheeks
10:36 < Synx|hm> and re: dinosaurs they did exist, but only one of them and it coexisted with man
10:37 < frsilent> Evilpig: Thank you! People think that just because these idiots like Dawkins & Tyson went to fancy-pants universities and devoted their lifes to "research" that they can time-travel and know more than our 1600yr old book
10:37 < frsilent> sry, segway into fundamentalist trolling
10:38 <@Evilpig> frsilent: deny what you see.  trust what you believe!
10:38 <@benthemeek> The irony isnt lost on me I assure you
10:40 < _NSAKEY> You guys are really trying to hitch the trolling to the "pope jonnyx" nickname, aren't you?
10:41 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: believe...  it's all the proof you need
10:41 <@Evilpig> BELIEVE
10:41  * Evilpig hits _NSAKEY in the forehead with the palm of his hand
10:42 <@Evilpig> this is the part of the show where you flop around on teh floor claiming to be enlightened and know everything now
10:46  * benthemeek twitches uncomfortably and his united pentecostal PTSD rears its ugly head
10:49 < aestetix> benthemeek: what is united pentecostal?
10:50 < aestetix> IE how do they differ from say catholics and protestants?
10:50 < aestetix> To me the difference between catholic and protestant is clear cut. All the other little denominations not so much
10:51 <@benthemeek> United Pentecostal sort of an off shoot into legalism and mystism
10:52 <@benthemeek> They have the faith healing/ gifts of the the spirit things that everyone makes fun of on tv but they turned legalistic
10:52 <@benthemeek> No jewelry or makeup for women and no hair cuts
10:52 <@benthemeek> no shorts or beards for men
10:52 < aestetix> That sounds more like amish
10:52 <@benthemeek> No televisions
10:53 < aestetix> or jehovah's witness
10:53 <@benthemeek> no movies or sporting events outside those organizwed by the church
10:53 < aestetix> that's what you grew up in?
10:53 <@Dickie> I knew some pentacostals back home
10:53 <@benthemeek> and there is no trinity, Jesus is the FATHER, SON , HOLYGHOST
10:53 <@Dickie> There are exceptions
10:53 <@benthemeek> and when you get baptized you must only be baptized in JESUS name
10:53 <@Dickie> I forget, though, you are the ex-fundie, right?
10:53 <@benthemeek> and you must speak with other tounges as evidence of indwelling by the holyghost to go to heaven
10:54 <@benthemeek> Now I feel gross and need a shower, but yeah that is what they believe and how they are different
10:54 <@Dickie> I remember attending a pentacostal service and just being like "can everyone shut up, the preacher is talking"
10:54 <@benthemeek> yes, ex-fundie here
10:54 <@Dickie> I was raised Episcopalian
10:55 < aestetix> benthemeek: it's interesting to think that we didn't have fundamentalism before the printing press.
10:55 < Synx|hm> i just ordered two hgst deskstar 3TB nas drives, and a toshiba 3TB 7200 rpm drive
10:55 <@Dickie> Almost pursued seminary
10:55 < aestetix> How can you believe the literal word of the bible if you don't have a copy of the bible?
10:55 <@benthemeek> Yeah for 21 years or so that is all I knew. Thankfully I read alot because that was allowed.
10:55 < aestetix> benthemeek: no wonder you think I live in a fantasy world. :p
10:55 <@benthemeek> I traded in pentecostalism for the charismatic movement (which is all the gifts but not the rules) until I was 27
10:56 <@Dickie> Wow
10:56 <@benthemeek> then I became an athiest
10:56 < aestetix> Do you have a lot of friends who are still in it?
10:56 < Synx|hm> benthemeek: full up athiest or egnostic?
10:56 <@benthemeek> Yeah but we are more distant
10:57 < aestetix> benthemeek: it's funny, I guess I live in such a bubble that I keep wondering if the church has died.
10:57 <@benthemeek> more agnostic. Athiest has come to mean ANTI-theist now verses just non thiest
10:57 <@benthemeek> They are dieing
10:57 < aestetix> It sounds like it is quite alive and well though.
10:57 <@Dickie> apatheist
10:57 <@benthemeek> The whole protestant movement is losing 10,000 people a day
10:57 <@benthemeek> mostly young people
10:57 <@oddball> benthemeek: Huh... I was thinking you were still christian, just not psycho about it.
10:57 <@opticron> benthemeek, did they ever really have those people?
10:58 <@benthemeek> Nah I go to a UU church, and am very humanist in practice.
10:58 <@oddball> ah, ok
10:58 <@Dickie> D&D is my church.
10:58 <@Dickie> What the hell do you do in a UU church?
10:58 < aestetix> benthemeek: so church in general is thriving, but not the crazies you are from?
10:58 <@Dickie> And why?
10:58 <@benthemeek> Dickie :) community is all that matters :)
10:58 <@benthemeek> Well and hopefully non dogmatic non judgmental ones
10:58 <@Dickie> "Fellowship"
10:58 <@benthemeek> Church istn thriving
10:59 <@benthemeek> the megachurches are
10:59 <@benthemeek> but thats because the services they bring to the community IE game night, child care, youth group
10:59 < aestetix> well right
10:59 <@Dickie> counseling
10:59 < aestetix> that's pretty much always been that way though
10:59 <@benthemeek> small churches are dying and I dont mean just the united pentecostals
10:59 < aestetix> And to be fair, giving some people a purpose and meaning is a good thing.
10:59 <@oddball> Depends on what area of the country your in.  Megachurches are a big thing around here, but not some much north of here.
11:00 <@Evilpig> oddball: they're huge out west
11:00 <@benthemeek> There is an excellent book that is all numbers and survery data called "American Grace"
11:00 < aestetix> Like if someone thinks that God will strike them and is therefore nice to everyone, I'm ok with that.
11:00 <@benthemeek> written by a jewish and protestant but its all science
11:00 < aestetix> Evilpig: really?
11:01 < aestetix> Most people around here I know are spiritual in some sense, but don't belong to a church or anything.
11:01 < aestetix> spiritual in the "children of the earth" sense
11:01 <@oddball> Heh... I remember working with some folks that were in town for some training at Aspect, and they assumed that the nearby baptist church was a national headquarters or something.
11:01 <@benthemeek> Americans are actually religious sluts. Contantly changing their denominations to suit themselves. To marry who they want or divorce who they want etc
11:01 <@oddball> It wasn't even a megachurch.
11:01 <@benthemeek> It has worked well for us
11:01 <@benthemeek> not perfectly though
11:02 < aestetix> benthemeek: so little churches are fading, but the concept of attending church is still strong
11:02 < aestetix> for these megachurch things
11:02 <@benthemeek> aestetix: yeah those are the kind of people that go to a UU church
11:03 <@Evilpig> aestetix: case in point.  http://www.peopleschurch.org
11:03 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch
11:03 <@CRasH180> a UU church?
11:03 <@CRasH180> What is that?
11:03 < aestetix> oh no wonder that's fresno
11:03 <@Dolemite> Unitarian Universalist
11:03 <@Dolemite> Many paths to salvation
11:04 <@benthemeek> Or none at all
11:04 <@benthemeek> My church is about half humanist/athiest half pagan
11:04 < aestetix> Interesting.
11:04 <@benthemeek> ITs just a community to talk about things and care about each other
11:04 < aestetix> I am fascinated by ritual, thus my interest in these churches.
11:05 <@benthemeek> There are a few progressive christians thrown in and a buddhist or two
11:05 < aestetix> What is a service at UU like?
11:05 < aestetix> It seems odd to have discussion about God or Jesus for atheists
11:06 <@benthemeek> It sort of builds on itself though, the more you hear about other peoples beliefs and doubts the less seriously you can take your own
11:06 <@Dickie> "I just need a place to hang out once in a while and make friends"-ism
11:06 < aestetix> Dickie: but I assume calling it a church implies a mass of some sort
11:06 <@benthemeek> I gave a talk on the sermon on the mount last week
11:06 <@benthemeek> that was interesting
11:06 <@Dickie> I feel like pagans are just making it up
11:06 <@Dickie> maybe I'm just a bigot
11:06 <@oddball> There's a lot that are.
11:07 <@benthemeek> I came away rather disappointed after some study because I thought it was a lot more positive than it actually was
11:07 <@benthemeek> pagans usually acknowledge they just make it up in my experience
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11:07 < aestetix> So does a UU church have a mass? And does it mention god at all?
11:07 <@oddball> Really? huh... it's usually shown in a damned positive light.
11:07 <@benthemeek> but they like ritual and tradition and the community it brings them
11:08 <@benthemeek> No UU is a creedless religion
11:08 < _NSAKEY> Dickie: Considering that most of the pre-Christian stuff got burned and the fact that most of their beliefs tend to have originated in the 70s? Yeah, you would be right.
11:08 <@benthemeek> no mass, just 7 principles they believe in.
11:08 < aestetix> I've always thought a church was defined as a place where you have a mass
11:09 < _NSAKEY> "Oh, let's take these random things that few extant texts have and spin up a religion about them."
11:09 <@benthemeek> I think in america "chruch" is where you would go to get to know your community and to help each other who need it
11:09 <@Dickie> But that's like lumping together Abrahamic religions into one
11:10 <@Dickie> Pre-Christian paganism was diverse, to say the least
11:10 <@Dickie> Oh, well. As long as they're happy.
11:10 < _NSAKEY> And surprisingly tolerant, if the evidence is to be believed.
11:11 <@benthemeek> There are soo many kinds of christians though. Including ones who believe in evolution and that Jesus wasn't nessesarily diety
11:11 < _NSAKEY> The only reason they got so upset about Christians was because they couldn't absorb God into their pantheon.
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11:11 <@Dagmar> Kind of impressive for TPB to be down for this long
11:13 <@benthemeek> aestetix: The 7 principles of UU's http://www.uua.org/beliefs/principles/index.shtml
11:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Our Unitarian Universalist Principles and Sources - UUA (at www.uua.org)
11:13 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: There's also a knee jerk reaction due to the christians that are intolerant, declare them devil worshippers, and try to get them fired/arrested/run out of town.
11:14 <@benthemeek> The fundies are all the news cares about. They don't much discuss that with in christianty there is some quite sane thought and discussion
11:14 <@oddball> right
11:14 < aestetix> benthemeek: so are there many 20somethings in your area who go to weekly church?
11:15 < _NSAKEY> oddball: That's very true, but they do that to other monotheistic religions too.
11:15 <@benthemeek> We are close to MTSU so yes
11:15 < _NSAKEY> Just look at the shit the Muslims got for tryuing to build a mosque in Murfreesboro.
11:15 <@oddball> yep
11:16 <@benthemeek> Yeah our church was ou marching in a pro demonstration that they have the right to build that
11:16 <@Dolemite> aestetix: The Catholics are pretty much the only Christians who even call their service a mass
11:16 <@oddball> Oh, forgot the declarations of "you're not a real religion!"
11:16 < aestetix> Dolemite: well, I guess I mean having some kind of service.
11:17 < aestetix> You have a building in it where you do some kind of ritual.
11:17 < Synx|hm> since we are on the topic of religion
11:17 <@Dolemite> I think what you meant to ask about was whether or not there is a lithurgy
11:17 < aestetix> Sure.
11:17 < Synx|hm> please for the love of god do NOT put scripture in your email signature
11:17 < _NSAKEY> http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100831/NEWS01/8310344/0/Jenny%20Upchurch%20will%20get%20results%20when%20you%20have%20a%20problem.%20E-mail%20her%20at%20action@tennessean.com%20or%20call%20726-5970.%20Please%20include%20your%20full%20name%20and%20residence.
11:17 <@Dolemite> Lithurgy encompasses both the ritual and the calendar
11:17 <@oddball> Or simply "a service"
11:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vigil in support of mosque near Murfreesboro draws 150 people | The Tennessean | tennessean.com (at www.tennessean.com)
11:17 < aestetix> Synx|hm: who the hell would do that
11:17 < Synx|hm> aestetix: some dude on the nlug that is who
11:18 <@oddball> aestetix: lots of folks around here.
11:18 <@benthemeek> Yeah the nlug guys are cool though if you go and get to know them, despite email signatures ;)
11:18 <@benthemeek> I know who you are talking about
11:18 <@Dolemite> Yeah, quite a lot of folks around here.   This is the buckle of the bible belt.
11:19 < Synx|hm> ya ha, didn't mean to say guy was a dick bag or anything because i dont know him at all
11:19 < aestetix> So church attendance for 20somethings exists there.
11:19 <@oddball> oh yes
11:19 < Synx|hm> just something about seeing scripture in email sig makes me shudder (my own religion issues from years of family being in a cult)
11:19 < aestetix> I do know one couple in the bay area who goes to church.... they are unitarians
11:19 < aestetix> really nice folks too
11:24 < aestetix> oddball: I think ritual is powerful. I actualy enjoy services like that. I do not enjoy waking up on Sunday morning though.
11:24 < Synx|hm> there is a babtist chruch down the road where we take the kiddo for mothers day out twice a week
11:24 < Synx|hm> im considering going to the service just for fellowship
11:24 < Synx|hm> dont get much social interaction
11:27 <@Dolemite> Holiday party time.  Bring on the cheesecake!
11:29 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: it's the middle of the day, you can't be drinking in the middle of the day.  that's when you know you have a problem
11:31 < aestetix> Dolemite: do you get a holiday bonus?
11:41 <@Evilpig> aestetix: cheesecake
11:49 <@CRasH180> yay! I have chocolate. We can combine the two together
11:52 < Synx|hm> jelly of the month club?
11:54 <@Evilpig> you got your chocolate in my jelly?
11:54 <@Evilpig> that just doesn't seem right.
11:55 <@CRasH180> What if it is chocolate jelly?
11:55 <@CRasH180> Then, it would be jelly with chunks
11:56 <@CRasH180> I was commenting the comment regarding cheesecake as a holiday bonus
11:56 <@CRasH180> Melt the chocolate and pour it on top of the cheesecake
11:56 <@CRasH180> heaven!
12:04 < Synx|hm> i was commenting on holiday bonus
12:04 < Synx|hm> being a membership to the jelly of the month club
12:05 < Synx|hm> im a huge blackhawks fan and i so badly want a 00 away jersey that says griswold on the back
12:13 <@CRasH180> Is the jersey an added bonus of being in the jelly of the month club?
12:13 < aestetix> ok so
12:13 < aestetix> here's a hypothetical question
12:13 < aestetix> if you ran a web services company... and it went down for two hours in the middle of the day
12:13 < aestetix> what would that do to your business?
12:14 <@oddball> Synx|hm: See... I thought you were an ok guy... and then you have to admit to being a 'Hawks fan.
12:14 < Synx|hm> haha
12:14 < Synx|hm> damn
12:14 < aestetix> two hours is a big number right?
12:15 < Synx|hm> i grew up in chicago going to hawks games does thta make it any better?
12:15 <@CRasH180> Pretty big
12:15 < Synx|hm> im not a bandwagoner
12:15 <@oddball> Two hours in the middle of the business day is a pretty big deal.
12:15 < aestetix> like say from 10am till noon EST
12:15 <@oddball> Since I'm originally from Detroit? No... no it doesn't. :p
12:15 <@oddball> I bet you like the Bears too, you bastard.
12:16 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Sounds like someone just lost some 9s.
12:16 < aestetix> haha yes
12:16 < Synx|hm> oddball: can we like chris chelios together?
12:17 < Synx|hm> i dont watch much football/baseball but yes i am partial to the bears and cubs when i do
12:17 < _NSAKEY> Depends on how much of an SLA is involved though.
12:17 < _NSAKEY> A lot of people would give a free month for extended downtime.
12:17 <@oddball> heh
12:18 < _NSAKEY> This box had over 600 days of uptime before the dedi it's on took a massive shit.
12:18 < _NSAKEY> The provider moved everyone to a better dedi and upgraded all of our accounts.
12:29 <@Dolemite> OMG too much food
12:30 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I get to keep my job.  In this day and age that counts as a bonus.
12:30 < Synx|hm> its not 31 dec you dont know that yet
12:30 <@Dolemite> I also get to sell one week of my vacation back to the company since I never use it all.
12:30 < Synx|hm> my company waits until the week of xmas to announce who gets to stay employed next year
12:30 <@Dolemite> Ah, well our end of year is 9/30
12:31 < Synx|hm> oh well congrats on another year of pay then
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12:38 < Synx|hm> why do i work with fucking idiots (our customers)
12:38 < aestetix> Dolemite: that is sad.
12:38 < Synx|hm> guy is trying to get my to assign IP addrs out of subnet range on a NIC
12:38 < aestetix> Dolemite: Americans seem to have lost the sense of loyalty.
12:38 < Synx|hm> he is their network engineer
12:40 < Synx|hm> aestetix: why should be we loyal?
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12:41 < Synx|hm> in the IT world you get treated like garbage, worked ungoldy hours when companies know full well salaried employees cant get time and a half OT, and are tossed out at a moments notice for some other poor sap who will agree to work x hours more than you
12:42 < aestetix> Synx|hm: it's not just the IT world
12:42 < aestetix> in fact the IT world is better than a lot of places
12:44 < Synx|hm> that sucks to hear
12:44 < aestetix> Synx|hm: try being a doctor
12:47 < Synx|hm> i believe the key here is that there is a level of pay at which point i am willing to accept some sillyness
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13:16 < Synx|hm> ..
13:17 <@Evilpig> wow.  robot chicken...
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14:01 <@Evilpig> ROFL  
14:01 <@Evilpig> http://geekologie.com/2014/12/marketing-gone-wrong-tgi-fridays-mistlet.php
14:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Marketing Gone Wrong: TGI Friday's Mistletoe Carrying Drone Hits Woman In Face, Slices Nose Open | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
14:05 < Synx|hm> you see the arbys we forgot to do a pepsi commercial per our contract with pepsi so here is a commercial just for pepsi
14:05 <@Evilpig> ?
14:15 < aestetix> penis
14:18 < Synx|hm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv5StAv77Dg
14:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Arbys: We Have Pepsi - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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14:19 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: yeah... that kinda epic actually
14:20 < RangerZ> I grew up across the street from the _first_ arby's , so I have a soft spot for them, but that commercial is just brilliant , lol
14:22 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyecS_QiRK8 fuck this MI law
14:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Michigan House Passed Bill Allowing EMTs To Refuse Treatment To Gay People - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:22 < Synx|hm> wtf is that
14:22 < RangerZ> "religious freedom restoration act"
14:23 < RangerZ> fucking orwellian naming if I've ever seen
14:24 <@Dagmar> Radical pastafarianism should adopt a tenet of needing to pillory homophobes
14:28 < aestetix> penis
14:28 < aestetix> oops
14:29 < Synx|hm> anyone on a win7 pro or ent box right now?
14:29 < Synx|hm> latest patches
14:31 <@Dagmar> win7 64-bit ultaime
14:31 <@Dagmar> er ultimate
14:32 <@brimstone> which EMT is going to say, "Wait, you're gay? n/m, pack it up boys."
14:32 <@Dickie> probably the black one
14:33 < Synx|hm> oh hey thats fucking smart
14:34 < Synx|hm> make your on the internet vpn portal not respond to incoming ICMP
14:36 < aestetix> http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/working/2014/10/stephen_colbert_on_his_improv_background_and_how_he_gets_in_character_for.html
14:40 < Synx|hm> wtf is going on on i24 right now
14:41 < Synx|hm> my wife is on 24 west bound near the 24/440/40 split says its been stopped for 15min
14:41 < Synx|hm> and there is no traffic going the other direction either
14:42 < Synx|hm> I-24 W in Davidson Co High Traffic Volumes Special Event between EXIT 57:  HAYWOOD LN.  MM 53 (MM: 53) at 1:18 PM 12/9 est clear by 2:16 PM
14:42 < Synx|hm> wtf does that mean
14:42 < Synx|hm> they shut it down
14:43 < Synx|hm> oh POTUS
14:50 <@Evilpig> barry's in town
14:54 <@Dickie> B-Rock, The Islamic Shock
14:56 <@Mirage> am i crazy, or didn't you used to be able to use brackets when specifying a range in a cron job.  ie "[1-7]"
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14:58 <@brimstone> you're crazy
14:58 <@brimstone> no bracets
14:58 <@brimstone> just 1-7
14:58 <@Dagmar> Definitely crazy
14:58 <@brimstone> *brackets
14:58 <@brimstone> or 1,3,5,7
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14:58 <@brimstone> also 7==0
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14:58 <@Mirage> answering the one question was quite sufficient.
14:58 <@brimstone> but this is IRC
14:59 <@Mirage> ok Denny
14:59 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm: we discussed POTUS last night, but I guess you missed that
14:59  * Mirage knows you don't get that, but Dagmar does
14:59 <@brimstone> close the damn door denny?
14:59 <@brimstone> or a different denny?
14:59 < Synx|hm> discussed with me?
14:59 < Synx|hm> god i need to quit drinking
14:59  * brimstone knows mog gets it
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15:16 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I just forwarded an email to you that I thought you and coworkers may be interested in
15:19 <@Evilpig> I saw that.  ti isn't of much use to us cause that's in the city.  but i'm looking at it
15:19 <@Dolemite> There's free drinks
15:20 <@Dolemite> So that might be the kind of event that they spend $12,000 on
15:20 <@Dolemite> Too soon?
15:20 <@Evilpig> you'll be amused at the page that opened when I clicked the link in your email though
15:20 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oq2iy3l9pjwb7a/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-09%20at%203.20.18%20PM.png?dl=0
15:21 <@Dolemite> heh
15:21 <@Dolemite> You can sign in as me.  Password is IFuckingHateLinkedIn
15:22 <@Evilpig> Hmm, that's not the right password. Please try again or request a new one.
15:22 <@Evilpig> liar!
15:22 <@Evilpig> lol
15:22 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, I forgot.  They require passwords to have Uppercase letters, lowercase letters, a number, and a punctuation, and be between 12 and 17 characters in length.
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15:23 <@Evilpig> no penis size and blood sample?
15:23 <@Dolemite> Well penis size would be sexist.
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15:24 < RangerZ2> Dolemite: or shame inducing
15:24 <@Dolemite> Blood samples are still a bit tough to pull off through the internet
15:24 <@Dolemite> That, too
15:25 <@Evilpig> i'm not opposed to sexism in password requirements
15:25 <@Dolemite> Well I got accepted as a speaker for Data Center World
15:25 <@Dolemite> You coming to the Spring one, Evilpig?
15:25 <@Evilpig> I havne't thought about it.  I should
15:25 <@Dolemite> With NotLarry's new job, he might be
15:26 <@Evilpig> where is the spring one?
15:26 <@Dolemite> I won't be directly speaking about openDCIM.  I'm giving a talk on process and documentation.
15:26 <@Dolemite> Las Vegas
15:26 <@Dolemite> Mirage Hotel
15:26 <@Evilpig> that should be doable
15:26 <@Dolemite> That's the big one every year.  The Fall conference is much smaller.  Next year it will be in Maryland (DC Area).
15:34 <@Evilpig> new guy: "why don't we build servers out in staging"
15:34 <@Evilpig> answer: have you seen us build a single server? at all?
15:35 <@Evilpig> wow....  dn-ccd2e15c.ewr01 the load average: 233.49, 257.39, 214.32
15:44 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: talking to my co-lead person here about going now
15:45 <@Dolemite> To which - the event tomorrow, or DCW in the Spring?
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15:54 <@Dolemite> Time to head home.  Actually, past time.  Later!
15:55 < RangerZ2> 19 Hospitalized After Possible Chemical Attack on Furry Convention
15:56 < RangerZ2> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-19-hospitalized-thousands-evacuated-in-gas-leak-at-rosemont-hotel-20141207-story.html
15:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: 'Furry' convention disrupted as 'intentional' gas incident sends 19 to hospitals - Chicago Tribune (at www.chicagotribune.com)
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15:58 < RangerZ2> anyone here use Vuze?
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16:02 < Synx|hm> negatory
16:02 < Synx|hm> rtorrent here
16:03 < RangerZ2> I found some really nice plugins... that once I have them configured, basically make vuze do everything I want
16:03 < RangerZ2> and ...java... so cross platform
16:03 < RangerZ2> but I really wish I didn't have to use something so heavyweight
16:04 < RangerZ2> I'm debating on making my own client (I actually have the 'beginings' of one from a class project) https://github.com/mawalker/torrentCDN
16:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: mawalker/torrentCDN · GitHub (at github.com)
16:04 < Synx|hm> i love rtorrent, but its a bitch and a half to setup
16:04 < RangerZ2> yeah, I tried setting it up one day, to get a torrent
16:05 < RangerZ2> but it took too long and was too much hassle for what I wanted 'that day'
16:05 < Synx|hm> ha ya
16:06 < RangerZ2> a regex RSS feed scraper, with a LOT of control
16:06 < RangerZ2> and auto-stopping torrents at certain share ratios
16:06 < RangerZ2> really all I want
16:06 < Synx|hm> i have it auto watching folders at the moment but i need to write some custom stuff for it to do exactly what i want ratio file moving/naming wise
16:06 < RangerZ2> yeah, it has that too
16:06 < RangerZ2> thats why I use vuze
16:07 < RangerZ2> but I 'love' waking up, or coming home, and seeing "hey you have new shows"
16:07 < RangerZ2> lol
16:07 < RangerZ2> the funny thing is... I even pay for them...
16:07 < RangerZ2> I just prefer to have the digital file once, instead of having to stream it
16:08 < RangerZ2> (crunchyroll)
16:10 < RangerZ2> its not 'quite' what copyright says I have the right to do... (but you CAN save streams to your local machine)
16:11 < RangerZ2> but I'd easily pay 60$ a month to get the eps I _want_ fed to my machine for me to watch when I have time
16:16 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: I have your answer
16:16 < Synx|hm> :)
16:16 <@Evilpig> rutorrent
16:16 < Synx|hm> im using pyroscope addons
16:16 <@Evilpig> it's a web front end to rtorrent that gives you rss feeds, ratios, auto unraring, watched folders, etc
16:16 < Synx|hm> its almost where i want it
16:16 < Synx|hm> hey though while i have you
16:16  * Evilpig shoves aestetix at Synx|hm 
16:17 < Synx|hm> i noticed last night while watching from plex web in chrome browser, i dont get bitstreaming audio
16:17 < Synx|hm> dts was not correctly making it to my receiver
16:17 < Synx|hm> should i be using plex home theater?
16:17 <@Evilpig> yes
16:17 <@Evilpig> it has a little better support
16:17 < Synx|hm> is that a windows app, i dont know jack about it
16:17 <@Evilpig> the web player strips shit down to what the browser can support
16:17 <@Evilpig> there is a mac and a windows app
16:18 < RangerZ2> html5 supports mutli channel audio apparently by defualt
16:18 <@Evilpig> I get dts on my wdtv fwiw
16:18 <@Evilpig> it just hits plex via dlna 
16:18 < RangerZ2> so that aught to help with 'compatability' ... *chuckles to self about that*
16:18 < Synx|hm> im using the html5 player but its obviously not bitstreaming the audio
16:18 < Synx|hm> also i have a audio desync issue if i pause or jump video time
16:19 < RangerZ2> hmm
16:19 < Synx|hm> causes complete audio desync, and it follows me to other players
16:19 < Synx|hm> really odd
16:19 <@Evilpig> that's not good, that could be a source problem though
16:19 < Synx|hm> its not i open the video in vlc and its fine
16:19 <@Evilpig> weird
16:19 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm: how many 'key frames' are you using in your source?
16:19 <@Evilpig> report it as a bug?
16:19 < RangerZ2> b/c not enough will cause that
16:19 < Synx|hm> has happend on a few diff mkvs now
16:19 < Synx|hm> that i dont know
16:19 < Synx|hm> ill look into that thanks ranger
16:19 < RangerZ2> you making the mkvs?
16:20 < RangerZ2> or just grabbing?
16:20 < Synx|hm> i haven't noticed it on my home ripped content
16:20 < RangerZ2> I looked a LOT into video streaming for the one darpa project i was on
16:20 < Synx|hm> but i haven't been watching my ripped content much lately
16:20 < RangerZ2> and that was one of the key issues I faced, was setting up key frame rates
16:21 < Synx|hm> wtf is plex for windows 8.1
16:21 < Synx|hm> they have too many product names
16:21 < RangerZ2> but... I was trying to abuse android in ways that just aren't right...
16:22 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: signed code that is stupid tile interface friendly?
16:23 <@Evilpig> metro!  that's it.  metro-friendly.  no homo
16:23 < Synx|hm> ack
16:23 < Synx|hm> no thanks
16:24 <@Evilpig> https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-home-theater/1.2.3.378-0c92ed32/PlexHomeTheater-1.2.3.378-0c92ed32-windows-x86.exe
16:24 <@Evilpig> that should be it
16:25 < Synx|hm> is that the latest plexpass rel? or do that only do that for the server?
16:25 <@Evilpig> or this one for plexpass,  slightly newer
16:25 <@Evilpig> https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-home-theater/1.3.2.417-04be1687/PlexHomeTheater-1.3.2.417-04be1687-windows-x86.exe
16:25 < Synx|hm> thanks
16:26 <@Evilpig> I use the mac home theater thing all the time at work
16:28 < RangerZ2> can VLC play plex ?
16:29 <@Evilpig> no
16:29 < RangerZ2> b/c its dropped frames/etc tracking is pretty good, might help you figure out wtf is up
16:29 < RangerZ2> :/
16:31 < RangerZ2> i am STILL not 'happy' with any of the video playback/control schemes out there
16:32 <@Evilpig> i'm not happy with your face
16:32 < RangerZ2> thats not what your ... aww fuck it, I'm too lazy for this shit
16:33 < RangerZ2> also.... CIA torture report came out
16:33 < RangerZ2> very 'limited' report
16:33 < RangerZ2> but still...
16:36 < Synx|hm> RangerZ2: how can i see how many keyframes are in an mkv?
16:37 < Synx|hm> can vlc report that
16:37 < _NSAKEY> Isn't it just the executive summary and not the full report?
16:37 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm: thats what I'm looking up
16:37 < RangerZ2> _NSAKEY: no... a completely scrubbed via the CIA report on the CIA 's executive summary
16:37 < RangerZ2> lol
16:38 < RangerZ2> http://www.matroska.org/downloads/mkclean.html
16:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: mkclean tool | Matroska (at www.matroska.org)
16:38 < _NSAKEY> I'm hoping that one senator who is on his way out quits being a little bitch and reads the entire report into the record, like the pentagon papers were done.
16:38 < RangerZ2> try that Synx|hm on a test file
16:38 < RangerZ2> and see if it helps
16:38 < RangerZ2> b/c optimizing streaming video files are NOT the same as 'regular' files
16:39 < Synx|hm> so this is interesting
16:39 < Synx|hm> if i have plex web heavily transcode the video down to low bitrate the audio re-syncs
16:39 < Synx|hm> if i set it back to max
16:39 < Synx|hm> sync goes back out the window
16:39 < RangerZ2> try a file after this tool, and see what you get
16:40 < Synx|hm> wilco
16:41 < RangerZ2> perhaps plex does this automatically...
16:41 < RangerZ2> but... i dunno about that
16:42 < RangerZ2> and if it does... it MIGHT help reduce system resources of the plex server to -pre-convert the files
16:42 < RangerZ2> LOTS of 'mights' and 'ifs' in these statements... but worth testing
16:43 < Synx|hm> what id like to konw right now is why esxi is hammering my spinning disk datastore when nothing is running on it at the moment
16:43 <@Evilpig> gremlins
16:44 < RangerZ2> easy
16:44 < Synx|hm> oh i just did a storage migration to my ssd and i think its still caching page ram on the spinner
16:44 < RangerZ2> it has to do with vmware
16:44 < RangerZ2> so therefore 'fuck you'
16:44 < RangerZ2> lol
16:44 < Synx|hm> because windows just blew through its memory
16:44 < RangerZ2> but in reality...  it probably has to do with the memory manager crying
16:44 < Synx|hm> apparantly 1GB ram is not enough for win7
16:44 < RangerZ2> trying to optimize things... and in so... fucks things up worse
16:45 < RangerZ2> nope
16:45 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm: "demand page memory mapping"
16:45 < RangerZ2> its what all modern OSs use for memory
16:47 < RangerZ2> if you give a VM too little memory, it will makes LOTS of 'pages' that need to be store on HDD
16:47 < RangerZ2> b/c windows won't limit the 'virtual memory' of any application
16:47 < Synx|hm> yup which has likely complete ruined my thin provisioned disk ha
16:48 < Synx|hm> oh well, i just need this vm to survive a few weeks
16:48 < Synx|hm> ill give it more ram and reboot once the update finishes
16:48 < Synx|hm> im running the mkv fix
16:48 < RangerZ2> << wrote a demand page memory manager for an honors program project for one of my OS classes
16:49 < RangerZ2> its actually super simple... (compared to many other parts of a kernel)
16:49 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm: http://www.matroska.org/downloads/mkvalidator.html is a nice tool also
16:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: mkvalidator tool | Matroska (at www.matroska.org)
16:52 < RangerZ2> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/12/09/1916229/swedish-police-raid-the-pirate-bay-again lol
16:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay Again - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
16:52 < RangerZ2> looks like eztv is hit too
16:55 < Synx|hm> didn't they move to a cave datacenter thing
16:55 <@Evilpig> yes, from what I just read
16:56 <@Evilpig> dc built into the side of a mountain
16:56 < Synx|hm> RangerZ2: mkv tool did not resolve plex sync issue
16:57 < Synx|hm> ill google it
16:57 < RangerZ2> hmm
16:57 < RangerZ2> might want to look more into plex settings
16:57 < RangerZ2> see what it is 'doing'
16:57 < RangerZ2> b/c now that 'altered' file you can 'stream' to vlc/etc easy
16:58 < RangerZ2> just put up on apache, and point vlc to it
16:58 < RangerZ2> "in theory"
16:58 < RangerZ2> accounting for bandwidth, etc
16:59 < Synx|hm> 5 ref frames
16:59 < Synx|hm> oh i have
16:59 < Synx|hm> i have direct smb access to it
16:59 < Synx|hm> vlc playes it fine and queues to where ever i like fine no sync issue
16:59 < RangerZ2> via samba or streaming via apache?
17:00 < RangerZ2> b/c samba isn't "streaming" like web is
17:00 < Synx|hm> oh i see,
17:00 < Synx|hm> smb file share
17:01 <@Evilpig> smb could br a problem
17:01 <@Evilpig> I had weird issues with that then changed to nfs
17:01 < RangerZ2> buffer sizes/etc issues
17:01 < Synx|hm> no i mean on windows i can smb access and play the file fine
17:01 < Synx|hm> plex is actually on a 10gbE link via NFS to the files
17:02 < RangerZ2> ahh, but still that doesn't mean anything for 'streaming'
17:03 < Synx|hm> hrm
17:04 < Synx|hm> turning off 'direct stream' in plex web resolves issue
17:04 < RangerZ2> The video and audio tracks are extracted from the original file;The streams are saved back into a compatible file container; andThe Plex Media Server repackages the content on-the-fly before streaming it.
17:05 < RangerZ2> so yeah... not ideal...
17:05 < RangerZ2> and you only need that if your 'player' can't support the files being sent it
17:06 < RangerZ2> hm... I really should dick around with all this again... I'd love to have video streaming in-house
17:10 < Synx|hm> also issue is only seen in the html5 player
17:10 < Synx|hm> the flash player does not have the problem
17:11 < Synx|hm> can confirm happens in both IE11 and Chrome with the HTML5 player
17:17 < Synx|hm> oh hey
17:17 < Synx|hm> its an issue with Chrome
17:17 < Synx|hm> the dev release of chrome fix's it
17:17 < Synx|hm> also there is an issue in DASH in IE
17:17 < Synx|hm> har har
17:19 < RangerZ2> lol
17:19 < RangerZ2> "now you know"
17:20 < RangerZ2> "and knowing is half the "
17:20 < RangerZ2> crime?
17:29 < aestetix> man
17:29 < aestetix> Borgen is such a great show
17:35 < aestetix> man
17:35 < aestetix> http://blog.brokep.com/2014/12/09/the-pirate-bay-down-forever/
17:35 < aestetix> this will piss me off if it stays down
17:44 < aestetix> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195543-seagates-first-shingled-hard-drives-now-shipping-8tb-for-just-260
18:26 <@Evilpig> that's pretty neat
18:29 < RangerZ1>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OPmlL-SWE hahaha
18:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tekken Boss Responds to Lucky Chloe Backlash - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:29 < RangerZ1> shitty that we get the 'crap' character who has to be a musclebound skinhead with a gun
18:30 < RangerZ1> but ... asshats complaining proved his point, lol
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19:04 < vyrus001_> ugh
19:04 < vyrus001_> that feeling when your company gets aquired and you've only been there 6 months <_<
19:05 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-reports-shocking-passages/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
19:05 < aestetix> vyrus001_: hope you had equity
19:05 < vyrus001_> nope
19:05 < vyrus001_> not after 6 months
19:05 < vyrus001_> not at a consulting shop
19:08 < RangerZ2> vyrus001_: at least you got 6 mo to 'earn' unemployment if they lay you off
19:08 < RangerZ2> not as much as 1yr...
19:08 < RangerZ2> (I 'quote' earn, b/c its an insurance policy that you PAY for when paying income tax... so you're always earning it)
19:11 < RangerZ2> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/09/0423210/poodle-flaw-returns-this-time-hitting-tls-protocol
19:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: POODLE Flaw Returns, This Time Hitting TLS Protocol - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
19:11 < RangerZ2> :/
19:11 < vyrus001_> RangerZ2: well, i doubt im getting laid off, but... who knows right?
19:12 < RangerZ2> just saying "at least" (for worst case)
19:13 < RangerZ2> but thats good
19:18 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4518295/senate-reaction-cia-interrogation-report
19:20 < RangerZ2> tldw
19:20 < RangerZ2> can i get a 5min summary
19:20 < aestetix> RangerZ2: summary: shit is more fucked up than we thought
19:20 < RangerZ2> (being sarcastic) , but not 'really'
19:20 < RangerZ2> ahh ok
19:20 < aestetix> you can read the 500 page summary of the 6700 page report
19:21 < RangerZ2> s/can read/have no time for reading/
19:22 < RangerZ2> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/12/09/2225210/ubuntu-gets-container-friendly-snappy-core I actually called this one
19:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ubuntu Gets Container-Friendly "Snappy" Core - Slashdot (at linux.slashdot.org)
19:22 < RangerZ2> I'm curious how they are handling 'x'/'wayland' or w/e they are going to use now...
19:22 < RangerZ2> b/c containers don't support graphical applications
19:33 < RangerZ2> ahh... just "cloud" solution
19:44 <@brimstone> containers do support graphical applications
19:58 < RangerZ2> ?
19:58 < RangerZ2> via x forwarding?
20:03 < RangerZ2> fectal rehydration...
20:03 < RangerZ2> "I'm proud to be an American" ....ohh wait...
20:12 < RangerZ2> I don't agree with a lot of people on Fox, or John McCain , but Shapard Smith shows he's one of the few people on there who I will show some respect for, for stances like this
20:13 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzfQuIgpW6o
20:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fox News Shepard Smith We dont F#@king Torture Explicit - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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21:31 <@brimstone> RangerZ2: right, X forwarding over a local socket: http://fabiorehm.com/blog/2014/09/11/running-gui-apps-with-docker/
21:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Running GUI apps with Docker Fábio Rehm (at fabiorehm.com)
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21:56 < RangerZ2> brimstone: yeah, I dunno how I feel about that... whether it is 'hacky' or not really (i know the basis for why X is a 'server' and not just a 'service;, etc... but I don't know the runtime hit you'd take doing that work around
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22:40 < RangerZ2> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/12/10/010220/comcast-sued-for-turning-home-wi-fi-routers-into-public-hotspots
22:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comcast Sued For Turning Home Wi-Fi Routers Into Public Hotspots - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
22:40 < RangerZ2> if this had been OPT-IN, then I would actually have NO problem with this
22:40 < RangerZ2> "get free wifi , if you make your router/wifi a free hotspot
22:40 < RangerZ2> but doing it 'stealth' is whats BS
22:47 <@Evilpig> that's some bullshit. the flipside is you're renting that router from them, they decide to dual purpose it.  isn't shit you can do about it
22:47 <@Evilpig> you aren't getting charged for the bandwidth, it's using power... so unplug your shit when you arne't using it
22:48 <@Evilpig> and on that thought i'm going to bed now. please god don't let me wake up again
22:52 < RangerZ2> personally... I'd take their router... and 'set it up'
22:52 < RangerZ2> and lookie... no wifi got through my faraday cage
22:52 < RangerZ2> lol
22:52 < RangerZ2> but I'm also not going back to 'renting' a 7$/mo router
22:53 < RangerZ2> "modem"
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