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01:01 < RangerZ1> I feel bad for all thpeople who hate the term 'gamer', because the Game Awards 2014 http://thegameawards.com/ took pride in being gamers, and gave the lifetime achievement award to the husband and wife who founded Sierra ...  and (despite its slight audio difficulties) was a great show that took pride in itself and those in attendence
01:10 < aestetix> helicopters
01:13 < RangerZ1> hows the chopper noise?
01:13 < RangerZ1> they still almost landing on your apartment?
01:13 < RangerZ1> lol
01:13 < aestetix> apparnetly there are a few hundred protests burning police cars down the street
01:14 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/berkeleyside
01:20 < aestetix> http://abc7news.com/live/
01:24 < RangerZ> ohh nice... Grim Fandango will come to Linux day 1 along with PC/Mac/PS4 and Vita
01:25 < RangerZ> aestetix: you'd probably like that game, its been rated as one of the best games from 15 years ago.... when games had to actually be ... good... lol
01:26 < aestetix> yeah I remember the game
01:26 < aestetix> I actually played it in like 1998
01:27 <@Bahhumbug> Oh goody.  More criminal fucktards burning cop cars to "make a point".
01:28 < RangerZ> yeah, i agree, its fucking stupid... but I worry about the society we've built for them where they feel that is their 'best' option
01:28 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: on this point I actually agree with you
01:28 < RangerZ> because I mean... look at aestetix, imagine an entire city of him
01:28 < RangerZ> no wonder OAK is so fucked, lol
01:28 <@Bahhumbug> People that think this is their best possible option should just eat a bullet.
01:28 < RangerZ> hehe
01:31 < aestetix> I'm not sure who they are trying to impress by demonstrating at 10pm on sunday night
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> No one that might possibly give a shit about riotous behavior from fucktards.
01:32 < RangerZ> the thing that gets me
01:32 < RangerZ> is that its done at night
01:32 < RangerZ> if I was willing to riot
01:32 < RangerZ> It would be during day
01:32 < RangerZ> so _I_ could see to get away
01:32 < RangerZ> etc
01:32 < RangerZ> ll
01:32 < RangerZ> lol*
01:32 <@Bahhumbug> Easier to hide their identify because, like most criminals, they are gutless cowards.
01:32 <@Bahhumbug> Err, identity.
01:33 < RangerZ> fuck that shit... wear a Guy Fawkes 
01:33 < RangerZ> which ... apparently is the scariest thing you can do to many people in power
01:34 < RangerZ> at this point http://www.wolf-pac.com/ and mayday.us are about the only hope our country has
01:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wolf PAC (at www.wolf-pac.com)
01:34 < RangerZ> 3 states ratified the wolf-pac reslotion now
01:35 < aestetix> This seems to be kids wanting to "relive" what they think happened in the 60s
01:35 < RangerZ> I could see Colorado and Oregon also adding to that... to help with their legalized pot stuff
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> Is that the "get the money out of politics" thing?
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> Ie.  The one that Illinois just green-lit Friday?
01:36 < RangerZ> yeah
01:37 < RangerZ> its not a solution in and of itself
01:37 <@Bahhumbug> I find it amusing that my old state is going along with that.
01:37 <@Bahhumbug> It's a start.
01:37 < RangerZ> but I think once thats started... a lot of other things could actually be done
01:38 < RangerZ> we'll still have debates about guns/etc
01:38 < RangerZ> but if 'statesmen' didn't have to become 'politicians' ... we we'd a better off society
01:40 <@Bahhumbug> Bernie Sanders for President
01:40 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
01:43 < RangerZ> i'd lose a testicle for that to happen
01:43 < RangerZ> I have a spare
01:43 < RangerZ> I'd take one for the team
01:44 < RangerZ> but Warren would be just as good
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> She doesn't have the political acumen yet.
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> Sanders/Warren as a ticket, however...
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> I could easily get behind that.
01:45 <@Bahhumbug> It won't ever happen but it's nice to dream about.
01:45 < RangerZ> yeah
01:45 < RangerZ> but Warren might be able to 'tick' all the boxes that Clinton does
01:45 < RangerZ> basically... first female
01:45 < RangerZ> but not be a neo-conservative
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> The real problem here, however, isn't POTUS; it's SCOTUS.
01:46 < RangerZ> agreed
01:46 < RangerZ> thank god the GOP is against immigration reform
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> heh - they keep fighting that and they will lose every Hispanic vote.
01:46 < RangerZ> (a very Machiavellian idea from me... but sadly true)
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> And I so hope they keep fighting it.
01:47 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: so I don't know if 1) i posted this before 2) you saw it
01:47 < RangerZ> but http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/
01:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: The missing story of the 2014 election - GOPlifer (at blog.chron.com)
01:48 < RangerZ> a TX republican saying that basically "there is no way for republicans to ever win the presidency again for a generation or until parties shift again"
01:48 < RangerZ> "Arguably Virginia now sits behind that wall as well. Democrats won the Senate seat there without campaigning in a year when hardly anyone but Republicans showed up to vote and the GOP enjoyed its largest wave in modern history. Virginia would take that tally to 270. Again, that’s 270 out of 270."
01:48 < RangerZ> the 270 that Democrats need to win
01:49 <@Bahhumbug> tl;dr - bmarked to look at later.
01:50 < RangerZ> here is the other thing
01:50 < RangerZ> [ Democrats in 2014 were up against a particularly tough climate because they had to defend 13 Senate seats in red or purple states. In 2016 Republicans will be defending 24 Senate seats and at least 18 of them are likely to be competitive based on geography and demographics. Democrats will be defending precisely one seat that could possibly be competitive. One.]
01:50 < RangerZ> basically the GOP hold on the senate will only be 2 years
01:51  * Bahhumbug nods
01:51 < RangerZ> and this is a _TX GOP Consultant_ talking
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> I'm surprised he/she isn't swinging from a tree limb.
01:58 < RangerZ> hehe
01:58 < RangerZ> his next article was "a GOP plan that could win nationally"
01:59 < RangerZ> and its basically "the plan GWBush ran on in 1999
01:59 < RangerZ> err 2000*
01:59 <@Bahhumbug> Cheat?
01:59 < RangerZ> but both* really
01:59 < RangerZ> nah
01:59 < RangerZ> socially liberal, economically conservative, stay the fuck at home
01:59 < RangerZ> aka... say one thing... do the other
02:00 <@Bahhumbug> so... "politics".  Gotcha.
02:00 <@Bahhumbug> :)
02:00 < RangerZ> i wish
02:00 < RangerZ> the current democratic party can't even do that right
02:01 < RangerZ> harry reid ... for all his shortcomings... is basically the only one who stopped the republicans from running rough shot over the last 4 years
02:02 < RangerZ> and Obama wants the TPP Trans Pacific Partnership Treaties, to 'reform' taxes
02:02 < RangerZ> cut the corp. income rate
02:02 < RangerZ> etc
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04:33 <@Bahhumbug> Berkeley "protests" turned into looting by criminal fucktards.
04:33 <@Bahhumbug> Tell me again how this is "useful"?
04:36 < RangerZ> no one here is saying it 'is'
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07:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:46 <@Evilpig> wb
07:47 <@Evilpig> what'd you bring me?
08:04 <@Dolemite> VD
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08:05 <@Evilpig> can I pass?
08:05 <@Evilpig> oooo in what container is it getting delivered?
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08:36 <@Evilpig> damn... kenzie in a wedding dress
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09:28 <@opticron> fuuuu, didn't get a chance to watch it yet
09:36 <@Dolemite> Yeah, shut your pie hole, piggie
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09:51 <@Evilpig> kenzie boobs!
09:51 <@Evilpig> BOOBS!
09:51 <@Dolemite> So?  Your boobs are bigger than hers.
09:52 <@Evilpig> but they're hers...
09:52 <@Dickie> Hi.
09:53 <@Evilpig> one of my coworkers rolled out a huge mass of 5m mm fiber patches.  I just finished figuring out what cables we need or this job and there are no 5m.  16x 3m, 48x 7m
09:53 <@Dolemite> So I'm still working on my email to the se2600 list
09:53 <@Dolemite> trying to figure out the best way to say fuck you without outright saying fuck you
09:54 <@Dickie> Sounds mature either way.
09:54  * Dickie ducks
09:54 <@Evilpig> i can suggest a gif
09:54 <@Dolemite> I'm sure you can
09:55 <@Dolemite> It will have to wait.  Some fucker scheduled a 90 minute disaster recovery review meeting on a Monday after I get back from vacation.
09:55  * Dolemite gets stabby
09:55 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl87u5d7no3rlxd/lolololol.gif?dl=0
09:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox (at www.dropbox.com)
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09:57 < Synx|hm> ugh im soo torn, freenas or some other snapraid/unraid type setup
09:57 <@Evilpig> time to retire up to our office where i can watch some tv and label this truckload of cable
09:57 < Synx|hm> i just dont know if i want all my drives spinning all the time
09:59 <@opticron> I'm using openmediavault
09:59 <@opticron> since it's debian-based
10:00 < Synx|hm> ZFS?
10:01 <@opticron> that might have been an option
10:01 <@opticron> I don't remember
10:01 < Synx|hm> what filesystem/raid are you using?
10:02 <@opticron> raid5 ext4 on 4x3TB
10:03 <@opticron> there appears to be a plugin for zfs configuration via the gui, but you can already do zfs manually if you need it
10:03 <@opticron> http://forums.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/5493-Btrfs-ZFS-support/
10:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Btrfs/ZFS support - General - OpenMediaVault (at forums.openmediavault.org)
10:03 <@opticron> http://phpbb.openmediavault.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3969&sid=b6f2811da0565d9034ea76b26b5b5704
10:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: OpenMediaVault View topic - Installing zfs the (relatively) easy way (at phpbb.openmediavault.org)
10:04 < Synx|hm> im curious why you chose raid5 over zfs? either way all you drives are spinning for access
10:04 < Synx|hm> im on unraid right now, single parity but no checksum, and only requires a single drive to spin for read access
10:06 < Synx|hm> opticron: not trying to bash your setup, just curious as im torn with how i want to do it at the moment
10:06 < Synx|hm> id like to ditch unraid for a more professional setup with more control over exports and security etc
10:06 <@brimstone> i roll my own debian mdadm setup
10:08 <@brimstone> mdadm/lvm currently some ext4 some btrfs
10:11 < Synx|hm> hrm
10:12 < Synx|hm> im torn, freenas zfs (i have the hardware ECC mem etc), or snapraid
10:12 < Synx|hm> zfs is going to take a memory chunk away from my ESXi pool though
10:14 <@opticron> Synx|hm, I didn't really think much about it when setting it up
10:14 <@opticron> I stuck with quick and easy
10:14 <@opticron> also, I was slightly in a rush
10:16 <@opticron> I also know next to nothing about zfs
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11:09 < aestetix> ugh
11:09 < aestetix> the UVA rape story is just getting worse
11:10 < aestetix> http://www.mediaite.com/online/conservative-blogger-posts-alleged-name-of-rape-victim-from-rolling-stone-story/
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11:34 <@Evilpig> HAHAHAHAHA
11:34 <@Evilpig> Official company email
11:34 <@Evilpig> "The turtles escaped from their tank over the weekend. We've located one, but the second is still on the loose. Can you take 3 minutes and look around your desk for it? One was found on 9w, but the second could be anywhere on the 9th floor."
11:37 <@Dickie> We keep out turtles in the lagoon
11:37 <@Dickie> our*
11:37 <@mog> lol
11:38 <@Dickie> Do you guys need some geese?
11:41 < Synx|hm> i think im going to do zfs
11:41 < Synx|hm> going to take some serious planning though ha
11:42 < Synx|hm> and will likely have to pair down my data a bit (i need to purge shit i dont watch anyways)
11:42 <@the_hugme> zfs is awesome, I run a zfs server at my house
11:43 <@the_hugme> several in fact, but one big one...
11:43 <@the_hugme> I've also been testing hast and carp with it
11:47 <@the_hugme> git HEAD
11:48 <@the_hugme> This command should do something....
11:50 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/turtle.html
11:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Mail - Missing turlte (at wilpig.org)
11:50 < Synx|hm> the_hugme: im going to run freenas on an ESXi host with VTd of my mtcard. 10GbE iSCSI targets has got me moist
11:51 <@Evilpig> there are more replies to that email thread now.  lol
11:52 <@the_hugme> FreeNAS is neat. I need to pick it back up. I worked with it when they first started. At that time they required an LDAP server to log in. There was no way to set up local logins or use it at all without a full LDAP setup. I didn't feel like going through that process so I dropped it.
11:52 <@the_hugme> That's been resolved now
11:53 < Synx|hm> interesting, LDAP server for yubikeys is next on the project list, i had already setup it up but their yubildap release was horrid and fundamentally broken
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12:54 <@CRasH180> Getting LDAP setup to work properly through BMC was a pain in the ars.
12:56 <@Mirage> aestetix: http://www.mediaite.com/online/transgender-caller-teaches-rush-limbaugh-something-very-important-about-anal-sex/
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13:17 <@Dagmar> ...and we should care about Rush Limbaugh, why?
13:18 < Synx|hm> the_hugme: how are you zfs pools setup? seems to me (assumeing cost is not the issue) a pool of mirror pairs is the best option for redundant and fast storage
13:18 < Synx|hm> plus some spairs
13:18 <@Dagmar> Are those special encrypted pairs?
13:18 < Synx|hm> i dont have that much data yet, and raidz2 adds so much overhead im not sure its worth it
13:18 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: no encryption
13:18 <@Dagmar> Okay, so they're spares then.
13:18 <@Dagmar> The typo of that type baffled me
13:19 < Synx|hm> you lost me
13:19 <@Dagmar> You typed 'spairs'.
13:19 < Synx|hm> oh lol ya sorry
13:19 <@Dagmar> Tell me that doesn't look like ess-pairs
13:19 < Synx|hm> spares
13:19 <@Dagmar> heh
13:19 < Synx|hm> ya some days im an idiot, my spelling ability is very subpar :(
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13:20 < Synx|hm> this is really sad but i had to get my kids birth cert out yesterday to spell his middle name, then i had a mild panic attack that i had spelled it wrong on my will
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13:20 <@Evilpig> heh
13:20 <@Dagmar> that's okay.  I'm still trying to figure out why most of my typos would be the sort of thing you'd get from sloppy handwriting.  n instead of h.  r instead of n, eetc etc
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13:21 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: so what are you thoughts on just mirror pairs vs raidz2
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13:21 < Synx|hm> you gain a bit more redundancy with mirror pairs assuming you dont lose 2 from the same vdev
13:21 <@Dagmar> ...that I don't worry about filesytems that try to make up their own fancy words.
13:22 <@Dagmar> I also make my decisions on that based on the specific _use case_
13:23 <@Dagmar> If the app isn't pushing the disk, I could give two shits about throughput
13:23 < Synx|hm> my usecase is i have 32Gb of ram on this ESXi host and i dont want to carve 10gb of that to freenas
13:23 <@Dagmar> I'll go for redundancy via mirrors, and just expect that it'll have the sense to stripe reads
13:23 < Synx|hm> right id be say 4 sets of mirrors (2 drives) stripped
13:24 <@Dagmar> If the data is super-important, I'll go for something with parity-based redundancy
13:24 <@Dagmar> i.e., raid 5.
13:24 < Synx|hm> so 8 drives, with the accessable space of 4
13:24 <@Dagmar> Do you need the speed of striping?
13:24 < Synx|hm> that'd be raid 1+0 no?
13:25 < Synx|hm> and to the speed question, i do not know
13:25 <@Dagmar> Well, I mean you're getting _half_ the usable space with that.  It's a lot of phys units to mirror
13:25 < Synx|hm> but i do know that raidz2 will add significant speed decrease
13:25 < Synx|hm> im considering using the pool as an iscsi target
13:25 <@Dagmar> You could do a mechanism that uses multiple parity bits and have six drives of space available, and still have increased speeds
13:26 < Synx|hm> two stripped raidz1's
13:26 <@Dagmar> With 2 sets of 4, if you lose the same drive of each pair, you have a Problem.
13:26 < Synx|hm> that gets you 2 drive failure, but only if the 2 drives are not in the same vdev
13:27 <@Dagmar> Generally I'd be going for raid 6 if I had that many phys units
13:28 <@Dagmar> I make mah decisions based on hardware at hand, and the needs/performance of the app using the storage
13:28 < Synx|hm> ya i think raid6 (raidz2) makes the most sense, its if i can take the performance hit or not without killing all my other ESXi Vms
13:28 <@Dagmar> Well, it does block-level striping, so you should still get the same throughput
13:29 < Synx|hm> right but im talking memory overhead to do the pairity computations
13:29 <@Dagmar> That is generally not a lot
13:29 < Synx|hm> and caching
13:29 < Synx|hm> hrm
13:29 < Synx|hm> heres the other downside of raid6, ive got to have drives of same size
13:29 < Synx|hm> if i stripe mirrors i only need 2 drives of any one size
13:30 <@Dagmar> That's true
13:30 < Synx|hm> as its dynamic striping in ZFS isn't it?
13:30 <@Dagmar> No idea
13:30 < Synx|hm> perhaps ive missunderstood this key part of ZFS
13:30 < Synx|hm> i get that with normal raid0 they have to be the same size
13:30 <@Dagmar> I would imagine anythign that works around different disk sizes is going to use more computational overhead than just parity
13:31 <@Dagmar> There may ba a fancier way of approaching the problem than I'm aware of tho'.
13:35 <@oddball>  Ok.  People that are "Strangly OK" with the furry con getting gassed with chlorine gas need beatings.
13:36  * oddball looks at Evilpig 
13:36 <@Dagmar> Better to use somehting that knocks them out.
13:37 <@Dagmar> We don't need any futanari martyrs adding fuel to their cause.
13:39 <@oddball> This is my train of thought when it comes to furries: "What are they doing?" "uh... dressing up in animal suits and partying and not actually harming anyone."  "oh... ok.  I think I'll skip that party, but have fun!"
13:39 <@Dagmar> It's not the normal definition of "partying" that bothers me about them
13:39 <@Dagmar> Don't delude yourself.  That's a _sex_ fetish.
13:40 <@oddball> Not all furries are yiffers.
13:40 <@oddball> And, frankly, if that's what they're into, I'm still in the "are they wanting to involve me? no? then whatever."
13:41 <@oddball> On the other hand, someone gassing people because their freaks does involve me.
13:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's a bit overkill
13:43 <@oddball> And, frankly, anyone that's attended Phreaknic or a scifi con should be in that camp.
13:43 <@oddball> We've had hotel guests try to demand that the hotel kick us out for "being weird."
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13:44 < aestetix> what is a yiffer
13:44 <@oddball> wait... aestetix doesn't know what yiffing is?  How soes that work?
13:45 <@oddball> yiffing = furries having sex in their animal suits/pretending to be animals while doing it.
13:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah that baffled me as well
13:49 <@Dolemite> oddball: Would it be corect for me to state that you were one of the Nashville 2600 members that was protesting the original hotel contract that had been floating around?
13:49 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Same question goes to you
13:49 <@oddball> Dolemite: The one that apparently wasn't the "real" contract?
13:49 <@oddball> yes
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13:50 <@Dolemite> RangerZ2: Can I quote you as someone who bitched that the contract for the Maxwell House that was floating about should never be signed?
13:50 <@oddball> If, by protest, you mean I stated several times "can we afford this place?" then yes.
13:50 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: eh wot?
13:51 <@Dagmar> I never even saw the contract
13:51 <@Dolemite> Ok, then I'll leave your name off of it
13:51 <@oddball> Dolemite: Part of it is that we never saw the actual contract.
13:51 <@Dagmar> I was concerned that apparently no one was being allowed to see it at first, and then that changed
13:51 <@Dolemite> Yes, that's part of the tirade
13:51 <@Dolemite> It changed?
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13:51 <@Dolemite> Who got to see it that you know of?
13:51 <@oddball> Talking to benthemeek Saturday, the contract wasn't as bad as I was fearing it was.
13:52 <@Dagmar> It mainly worried me that it was being questioned whether or not the contract existed, and certain parties weren't doing anything to sort that
13:52 <@Dagmar> If the contract that was shown people was not the actual contract, then we have a problem
13:52 <@Dolemite> oddball: What time did you talk to him?
13:52 <@oddball> This past Saturday?
13:52 <@oddball> uh... sometime in the morning?
13:52 <@Dolemite> oddball: Yes, as in 2 days ago
13:52 <@Dolemite> Yeah, he had no clue
13:52 <@oddball> oh?
13:53 <@Dolemite> Which is why I'm writing my "Fuck you, don't ever call me to be babysitter for Nashville 2600 again" letter
13:53 <@Dolemite> Not only did Nashville 2600 have to write a check for $3k (basically cleaning out the bank account), they had to borrow $6k from Codex Labs just to get the hotel to allow them to set up.
13:54  * Evilpig continues to bite his tongue
13:54 <@oddball> Talking to benthemeek, some of the things I've heard from Corydon, and knowing that NotLarry is now in the mix, I'm giving it another shot.
13:55 <@Evilpig> you're gonna go in on an operating debt of 6k
13:55 <@Evilpig> ?
13:55 < RangerZ1> Dolemite: 'quote' no, I never read the contract, b/c as far as I know... it was never made public... but I WAS highly questionable about the dollar figures I was seeing flown around...
13:55 <@Dolemite> RangerZ1: I'm quoting that you protested the fact that you never got to see the supposed real contract
13:55 < RangerZ1> thats good
13:56 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah, put me down as being upset over never seeing the contract.
13:56 <@Evilpig> 3k paid out, 6k more paid out.  9k is damn close to the 10 I said they were signing from the proposal we all saw
13:57 <@oddball> Dolemite: I knew about the "loan" that Codex gave the con, although certain parties are declaring it as them pre-paying for multiple years of sponsorship.
13:57 <@oddball> Damn... that reminds me, I need to send that email to Dink.
13:58 < RangerZ1> the real problem is that... these things should be made public beforehand
13:58 <@Evilpig> https://docs.google.com/a/tumblr.com/file/d/0B5BXoaeDi2ujQ2g0Rl9xcEk3dkU/edit
13:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC Proposal.pdf - Google Drive (at docs.google.com)
13:58 < RangerZ1> basically this is DashCon again, but with a sucker*benefactor* willing to pay
13:59 <@Evilpig> these are all problems I pointed out the second I saw the name maxwell house from our previous consideration of them...
13:59 <@oddball> You weren't the only one.
14:00 < RangerZ1> dru's eyes are bigger than his britches
14:00 <@Evilpig> and for these reasons I say dru at the very least should step down
14:00 <@Dagmar> What we need is to develop a reasonable timeline of deliverables for events, and then to make sure the people doing it stick to it and meet deliverables
14:00 <@Evilpig> the fact that everyone else in charge ignored as well says to me th eleadership is borked and should all resign and dissolve the corporation outright
14:01 < RangerZ1> does the corp have debts right now?
14:01 < RangerZ1> other thank dink?
14:01 <@Evilpig> unknown
14:01 <@Evilpig> I assume so
14:01 < RangerZ1> don't 'assume' anything
14:01 < RangerZ1> lol
14:01 <@Evilpig> I can make a very reasonable assumption
14:01 <@Dagmar> I mean, if the primary purpose of the org is to manage the con, then we probably should have codified it long ago, but it's never really been a problem until this time around
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14:02 <@Evilpig> the org is there to add legitimacy to the con.  it allowed us to get credit/terms with vendors. by it being non-profit it allowed people to attend and then write off the expense
14:02 < RangerZ1> but but... what about the spring con?
14:02 < Synx|hm> the_hugme: did you say you rolled your own ZFS setup?
14:02 < RangerZ1> that dru wants us to pay UPFRONT for?
14:03 <@Evilpig> it has many benefits but the dumbshit with his head in the clouds is a problem
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14:04 <@Evilpig> my main issue with him right now is, if this was his money I assume he would be paying more attention to how it's getting spent
14:04 <@Evilpig> but it's not and it's just getting thrown around 
14:07 <@oddball> Evilpig: If what you posted was the actual contract, it should have never been signed, since there's a lot of "this will happen, if you bring in x," but no mention of what happens is x doesn't happen.
14:08 <@oddball> example: "rental fee of $1250.00 based on a $9800 food and beverage minimum and 90% pickup of the guest room block."
14:08 <@Evilpig> I was repeatedly told this isn't the contract this isn't the deal
14:08 <@Evilpig> but clearly.... it was the deal or very damned close to it
14:09 <@oddball> And yeah, I can see that being an initial talking point, but it's not the contract.
14:09 < RangerZ1> hell... dru wanted a 'dinner' for all the staff on sunday to 'relax' afterwards
14:10 < RangerZ1> b/c ... dragoncon does it... so PN can too
14:10 <@oddball> Which we used to do... but we did so with the money that was left.
14:10 <@Evilpig> we've done it in the past, but not paying the fucking hotel to do it
14:10 <@the_hugme> yes, sorry, busy on some code
14:10 <@the_hugme> I can give you some info on my setup
14:10 <@Evilpig> if we had a killer year we'd splurge on teh staff afterwards
14:10 <@oddball> And, well, the board members of Dragoncon also pull 6 figure salaries from the con.
14:11 <@Evilpig> dragoncon != phreaknic
14:11 <@Evilpig> the end
14:11 <@Mirage> the_hugme: add ";" to 'print "hello world"' and it'll work.
14:11 <@oddball> right
14:11 < Synx|hm> the_hugme: if you dont mind, i think im finding freenas does not have full support for some things im learning about zfs, and it seems simple enough to deploy i dont see a need for the fancy gui of freenas, nor do i need any of the plugins
14:12 <@the_hugme> It's all raidz, 15 drives
14:12 <@the_hugme> 2tb each
14:12 < Synx|hm> single vdev?
14:13 <@the_hugme> yes, I'm running ubuntu as the host and FreeBSD as the guest
14:13 < Synx|hm> not worries abour URE's on rebuild?
14:14 <@the_hugme> what worries?
14:14 <@the_hugme> there is a network issue I haven't figured out yet... it has to do with a timeout state when connecting from one guest to another on the same device.
14:14 < Synx|hm> chance of a URE on rebuild on 2TB drives and greater is of high enough probability to really suggest raidz2
14:15 <@the_hugme> well, raidz2 wasn't available when I built this.
14:15 <@the_hugme> I do need to rebuild it, there is one physically damaged drive which needs to be pulled.
14:16 < Synx|hm> k just curious
14:16 < Synx|hm> thank you kind sir
14:16 < Synx|hm> i may go at this without freenas
14:17 < Synx|hm> need to buffup my freebsd skills anyways because at some point id like to port over a tool from freebsd that didn't make it into pfsense
14:17 <@the_hugme> sure. I believe I built this box about 4 years ago, but that's just a guess... it has been a while.
14:17 < Synx|hm> (not really port, just copy over and have it work)
14:17 < Synx|hm> ya my unRAID setup is about that old
14:18 < Synx|hm> hence why im re-thinking my choice ha
14:20 <@the_hugme> FreeNAS has come a long way since I tried it. If I built it again I may try it again but there are just SO many projects I'm working on it's hard to get back to
14:20 < RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/08/149221/displaced-it-workers-being-silenced aestetix were you silenced by a big girl face sitting on you? lol
14:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Displaced IT Workers Being Silenced - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
14:21 <@Evilpig> "Will there be a post mortem on the great turtle escape? "
14:22 <@Dickie> "Meeting to discuss what we've learned: Friday 4:30 pm"
14:22 <@Evilpig> "Can icinga alert on missing turtles?"
14:23 <@the_hugme> Lunch and learn: How to attach GPS to turtle shell
14:28 < Synx|hm> anybody on vcenter5.5
14:29 < Synx|hm> the control avenues are really pissing me off, about a billion different wants to get into the same submenues, except that when you get there its only about the context on which you origionally clicked
14:29 < Synx|hm> sometimes i get what i want done but then want to change something else, its back up all the way to the begining and click back down
14:32 < RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/07/2339236/north-korea-denies-involvement-in-righteous-sony-hack LOL
14:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: North Korea Denies Involvement In "Righteous" Sony Hack - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
14:33 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: PM
14:36 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/08/living/internet-acronyms-every-parent-should-know/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
14:36 < aestetix> wow
14:41 < RangerZ> easy solution
14:41 < RangerZ> log your child's texts
14:41 < RangerZ> and take away the phone if they use abreviations
14:49 <@the_hugme> That only works for about a day... kids will find a way around it... especially if they have half a brain....
14:49 <@the_hugme> if someone breaks your code you change the code
14:50 < RangerZ> big data analysis > teenager creativity
14:50 < RangerZ> lol
14:50 <@the_hugme> I am SO not looking forward to doing this when my girls get that age
14:51 <@the_hugme> If they are anything like me... wow, I don't even want to think about it....
14:51 <@Dagmar> The right clothing helps.
14:51  * RangerZ comfort the_hugme
14:51 <@the_hugme> Dagmar: do you not remember what clothing I wore on a regular basis?
14:51 <@Dagmar> For instance, if you look around online you can find a tshirt with a picture of a gun on it, with the text "Guns don't kill people.  Parents with teenaged daughters kill people."
14:53 <@the_hugme> Ok, I think I have git fixed.....
14:54 <@the_hugme> little bastard...
14:57 < RangerZ1> no one ever has 'git fixed'...
14:57 < RangerZ1> you just have it 'pre-next wtf'
14:57 < RangerZ1> lol
14:59 <@the_hugme> Yeah, you're not kidding
15:00 <@the_hugme> most of the time I love git, it's a wonderful piece of software
15:00 <@the_hugme> but when it fucks up.. it really, really fucks up
15:00 <@oddball> Dagmar: Multiple versions of that shirt, in fact.
15:00 <@the_hugme> Ok, I'm headed home!
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15:01 <@oddball> Damnit... the conversation on here earlier dashed one of the things I was really hoping would be a shot in the arm for PN and Hypericon.
15:01 < _NSAKEY> oddball: What was that?
15:01 < RangerZ1> ?
15:01 < RangerZ1> having contracts that are reasonable?
15:02 <@oddball> I was thinking it was a case that the Hypericon crew had the experience for throwing room parties, but not the money, and PN had money, but no promotional experience.
15:04 < RangerZ1> ahh
15:04  * RangerZ1 helps oddball dig the grave for that idea
15:06 <@Mirage> oddball: didn't we learn from LB that all you need is a smoke machine, laser, and loud (sometimes obnoxious) music
15:07 <@oddball> fuck off and die
15:07 <@Dolemite> Long live GeekNIC!
15:08 < RangerZ1> geeknic had a website up in 2 days, 8 mo before the event
15:08 <@oddball> Yes... GeekNIC, a rather good hacker relax-a-con!
15:11 <@Mirage> I think we should sue TWC for using the name "Fat guys in the woods".  We used that as the name for the GeekNIC hike first!
15:11 <@oddball> heh
15:23 <@Dolemite> ok, time to head home.  later, gators
15:25 < RangerZ> oddball: that idea might have been great.... if PopeX would have tried leraning how to use email
15:25 < RangerZ> him trying to claim "email is hard" is kinda sad...
15:27 <@oddball> Which is part of why I was hoping it would basically be the Hypericon folks saying "we need a budget of x," taking the money, and running off and getting shit done.
15:34 < RangerZ> who am I kidding
15:35 < RangerZ> if he hadn't said "we don't use the channel or EITHER of the 'official' mailing lists", it might have been fine
15:36 <@oddball> You mean, if he hadn't basically said "fuck the community?"
15:36 < RangerZ> I wouldn't have only gone that far
15:37 < RangerZ> I would have been much meaner than that
15:37 < RangerZ> lol
15:38 < RangerZ> but yeah.... he should never have been elected president
15:38 < aestetix> penis
15:38 < RangerZ> he hasn't shown himself capible of anything in the recent past
15:38 < RangerZ> aestetix:  leave corydon and dru's personal time out of htis
15:38 < RangerZ> this*
15:45 <@CRasH180> leaving. cya
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15:45 <@Bahhumbug> flush
15:45 <@Bahhumbug> Go to google and type in "5 + (- sqrt(1- x^2- (y- abs(x))^2))cos(30((1-x^2-(y-abs(x))^2)))"
15:45 <@Bahhumbug> Google's doing native 3d graphing now.
16:04 <@Mirage> anyone done anything with RAKE via LUA?
16:05 <@oddball> bwhahahaha... someone on my facebook feed said that *they* could tell some interesting stories from past cons.
16:05 <@oddball> Turns out it mostly involved drunk wedding guests crashing the con.  They have  no idea.
16:05 <@Mirage> My personal fav was the clowns
16:07 <@Mirage> I was talking to Alex (Fed615) about PN 7-9, hanging out on the roof, directing Decius to the most unsavory looking people walking/standing on the street, etc.
16:07 <@Mirage> he might be joining us with his wife for GeekNIC
16:08 <@oddball> I don't remember the clowns
16:11 <@Mirage> I don't remember which year that was.  Dolemite should.
16:16 <@Evilpig> oddball: the year the shriners were in the days inn with us
16:16 <@Evilpig> it was 8 or 9
16:17 <@oddball> ah, ok
17:03 < RangerZ> oddball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfsE1r7zS4c
17:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: No Thanks - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:03 < RangerZ> the crowd's reaction.... "yes... wait... wtf..."
17:03 < RangerZ> SE 'announcing' FF7 on the PS4
17:05 <@oddball> So... uh... their big announcement is that they're doing a straight port?  No upgraded graphics?
17:06 < RangerZ> yep
17:07 < RangerZ> the pc had 'slightly' better graphics
17:07 < RangerZ> basically better anti-aliasing
17:07 <@oddball> And there should be excitement over it being a "ps4 exclusive?"  It... being a a damned near 20 year old game.
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17:08 <@oddball> Which... is currently available on Steam
17:09 <@oddball> not exactly "exclusive."
17:11 < RangerZ> yeah... fucking... Street Fighter V is that way too
17:11 < RangerZ> "console exclusive"
17:12 < _NSAKEY> It somehow manages to disappoint more than the ports of their SNES titles to the original playstation.
17:12 < RangerZ> "because PC games actually outsell consoles in the long run, because they have long tails, but we don't want to admit that"
17:12 < RangerZ> (publicly)
17:12 < _NSAKEY> At least those came with FMVs which weren't possible on the original carts, even if they did add the "feature" of CD load times.
17:13 < RangerZ> hell... look at GTA5 for the PS4/xbox 360
17:13 < RangerZ> you had to install AND use the dvd to read data fast enough
17:14 < RangerZ> the 'digital' versions of the game couldn't load data fast enough into memory from the HDD, so they had stutter lag
17:27 < RangerZ> https://www.humblebundle.com/?gift=7x7arfyyW48UR7G3 I have 2 more copies of Insurgency if anyone wants.
17:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Insurgency (at www.humblebundle.com)
17:28 <@oddball> Sure... I'll give it a shot.
17:33 < RangerZ> i have no idea on it, I just grabbed it for some of the other games, lol
17:36 < RangerZ> "Euro Truck Simulator 2" all the way
17:36 < RangerZ> lol
17:36 <@NotLarry> http://i.imgur.com/2PwCXAB.jpg
17:36 < RangerZ> but really, the Tesla Effect was crowd funded and published by Atlas USA
17:37 < aestetix> the game?
17:37 < RangerZ> yes
17:37 < aestetix> I enjoyed it
17:37 <@oddball> You mean, no love for the Goat Simulator?
17:37 < aestetix> I also loved goat simulator :p
17:37 < RangerZ> Atlas is one of my fav. publishers, they actually treat customers as... customers
17:37 <@Mirage> lies
17:37 < RangerZ> if they sell 50k copies of something they consider that successful
17:38 < RangerZ> which is why I think they actually care about keeping a returning customer/etc
17:38 < RangerZ> plus only like a dozen staff , lol
17:39 <@Mirage> most companies have given up on repeat business and money over time in favor of "bend them them over, no lube"
17:40 < RangerZ> yeah, which is why I like to support companies who aren't that way
17:40 < RangerZ> all 8 of them in the US
17:40 < RangerZ> lol
17:41 <@Mirage> it's sad how the US used to actually make quality stuff that lasted, now everything is intended to break..preferrably as soon after the warranty expires as possible
17:41 < RangerZ> Right now I am sitting on a cast iron based chair
17:41 < RangerZ> that is older than even Dolemite
17:41 <@Mirage> more lies...nothing is that old!
17:42 < RangerZ> it was my great grandfather's typing chair
17:45 < RangerZ> and my great-grand mother's cast iron can opener still works
17:45 < RangerZ> from like the 50s
17:46 <@Dickie> Step 1) bash can open
17:48 < RangerZ> no, its a tabletop unit, like this http://www.walmart.com/ip/Black-Decker-Can-Opener-with-Knife-Sharpener/14913106
17:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Black & Decker Can Opener with Knife Sharpener - Walmart.com (at www.walmart.com)
17:49 < RangerZ> but, none of the new units seem to have magnets, or counter balanced legs to allow heavy cans, etc
17:49 <@Dickie> but cast iron
17:50 <@Dickie> I bet I could still bludgeon stuff with it
17:50 < RangerZ> there was this one christmas.... where my aunt got drunk....
17:50 < RangerZ> I mean...
17:51 < RangerZ> poor uncle fred... his arm never healed quite straight again...
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18:01 < RangerZ> so... I have a mini-rant right now... I don't think I can ever go back to "warm" lights in my house again
18:02 < RangerZ> bought some 5000k 'daylight' lights to use when moving my mom's stuff into some storage units... and it was great... and brought them home... and now the 'yellow' of 'warm' light... is so annoying...
18:02 < RangerZ> I have been playing games with buying brighter and brighter bulbs in my kitchen to try and get 'more' light in the kitchen
18:03 < RangerZ> and it was the 'color' that was the real problem
18:04 < RangerZ> 100w CFL 5000k bulbs using 23w, one bulb is enough to brighten up my bedroom more than 2 'warm'(yellow) 75w bulbs were able to do
18:05 < RangerZ> and for the girls (and peaches(and other) when he dresses up)... My mom said the 'daylight' really helped her put on her makeup in the bathroom ... lol
18:08 < RangerZ> this might be 'obvious' to others, and I worked as a _lighting tech_ on and off for 10 years....
18:09 < RangerZ> but we never used 'consumer' lights when working... and I never realized how DRASTIC the difference is
18:10 < RangerZ> Might be worth looking into yourself....
18:10 < RangerZ> </rant off> lol
18:23 < RangerZ> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/sono-noise-canceling-apartment-windows/story?id=20726945
18:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sono: Noise-Canceling for Your Apartment Windows - ABC News (at abcnews.go.com)
18:23 < RangerZ> so winning the James Dyson Award... makes me kinda hopeful for this product
18:24 < RangerZ> if they have an even 'moderatly' working prototype, I'd love to see it in person, b/c then I'd buy one as a gift for my cousin with a newborn (stop car alarms/etc from waking the baby up)
18:28 <@Evilpig> made a coworker watch "tusk" this afternoon while we labled fiber.  he said this is the most fucked up thing he's ever seen and he's never watching anything I suggest ever again
18:29 <@Evilpig> I told him "next time we're gonna watch 'return to nuke em high'"
18:30 < RangerZ> you should listen to the podcast where they brainstorm the entire movie
18:30 < RangerZ> thats the ONLY reason I'm interested in the movie at ALL
18:30 < RangerZ> lol
18:30 < RangerZ> plus wasn't tusk one of the 'leaked' films?
18:31 <@Evilpig> they play a portion of that in the credits
18:32 < RangerZ> its like a 30min podcast
18:32 < RangerZ> and he's one of the few people I'm going to listen to podcasts to
18:33 < RangerZ> b/c he's actually funny
18:33 < RangerZ> him talking about J.J. Abram's Poster in his office with a Star Destroyer and "loose lips sink star ships" , was really funny
18:33 < RangerZ> where you have to sign the NDA before you can go on stage, etc
18:37 <@Dagmar> You should find a copy of Funny Games to show him.
18:40 <@Evilpig> I have funny games
18:40 <@Evilpig> hard candy would be another one
18:40 < RangerZ> "the room" or whatever its called
18:41 < RangerZ> ranked as one of the worst movies ever
19:00 <@Evilpig> okay the toxic avenger in japan turning a bad guy into shabu shabu was hilarious
19:00 <@brimstone> OH MY GOD IT'S THE TOXIC AVENGER
19:17 <@Evilpig> this movie advocates violence against women!  omg!  lol
19:21 < RangerZ1> GrumpyCat's owner made 99.5 million in the last 2 years
19:21 < RangerZ1> she has a "online cat agent"
19:22 < RangerZ1> ....cant argue if it made 99million....
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20:36 <@Bahhumbug> Bomb dropped.
20:37  * RangerZ1 reading
20:38 <@Evilpig> damnit.  I guess i'll open my email now
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> 6k indebted to mcElroy?
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> That's.... fucked.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> And this is the nitwit that got reelected.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> Good going, sheep.
20:39 <@Dolemite> MURRY CRIMMUS ERRYBODY!
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: Respect.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> I am very glad you wrote that.
20:41 <@Dolemite> I exercised a lot of restraint by leaving out, "So is this the part where I weasel my way into PhreakNIC for free, get drunk and then tell everybody that I left things in good hands?"
20:42 <@Evilpig> I think you understated the "get rid of the insanity" section
20:42 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I honestly feel that it's too late to salvage
20:43 <@Evilpig> can i jump on with http://riphreaknic.com now?
20:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Returned to its roots... (at riphreaknic.com)
20:43 <@Dolemite> So at that point, saying more is just beating a dead horse
20:43 <@Dolemite> I'm sure ware is on the list and ready to jump in and troll.  Let him.
20:43 <@Evilpig> I can at least give jonnyx credit for succeeding where skydick failed.
20:44 <@Dolemite> Well here's the thing...   as bad as Trevor was with collaboration, he did at least understand the need to do things within your means
20:44 <@Dolemite> He just didn't get receipts for anything
20:45 <@Evilpig> that I agree with.  but after he was out he tried and tried to kill phreaknic.  at that he failed, dru did not.
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20:45 < RangerZ1> Dru's problem is that he thinks PN should be Dragoncon within 3 years
20:45 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Dru definitely put nails into the coffin
20:46 < RangerZ1> ...which might be the reason he was kicked out of.... dc404... dragoncon...the Chattanooga con.... (and anything else I'm missing)....
20:46 < RangerZ1> sorry... never let into dc404*
20:46 <@Dolemite> o.O
20:47 < RangerZ1> thats what Shadow404 was saying (he's down there now)
20:47 <@Dolemite> Well I knew he was only running "Hacking 101/201" at DragonCon these days...   didn't know much else
20:47 < RangerZ1> he lived up here...and once a month drove down to atl to the dragoncon leaders meeting
20:47 < aestetix> god what an awful day
20:47  * Dolemite hugs aestetix
20:48 < RangerZ1> he was fired after xmas ...like 3 years ago... and wasn't told...
20:48 < RangerZ1> so they were waiting for him to just 'show up' to the meeting
20:48 < aestetix> Anyone ever had one of those days where you're told to investigate a possible hack, and then every time you get halfway through you have new data thrown at you?
20:48 < RangerZ1> aestetix: thank god no, thats why I'm not going into "industry" lol
20:48 <@Dolemite> RangerZ1: If that's how they handled it, that's rather a douche move
20:49 < RangerZ1> apparently his ex is on the board of directors...or their daughter... or something (drama that I kinda just nodded to him when he said it, without really listening) lol
20:49 < RangerZ1> so when he broke up with her.... he was _OUT_
20:50 <@Dolemite> Well Rain still runs the Science & Technology Track and they're not an item anymore that I'm aware of
20:50 < RangerZ1> no, he's single
20:50 <@Dolemite> And actually she's the one that ran it all along...  he was just hitching to her star when they were together
20:50 < RangerZ1> ...except for maybe amber...
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20:53 <@Evilpig> I kinda feel like I should troll laughingboy now after his defense of dru et al
20:54 <@Dolemite> I'm not going to intercede
20:54 <@Dolemite> Oh, but I think I am going to dissolve the google group that I'm still listed as the owner of
20:54 <@Dolemite> Or maybe just turn off moderation
20:56 <@Dolemite> Ok, no longer associated with the Facebook page...
20:56 <@oddball> Yeah... He claims that he got tossed due to politics, and knowing what I know of the inner workings of Dragoncon, that's plausable, but I think it's also highly plausable that he got tossed for not doing a damned thing.
20:57 < RangerZ1> OR... he was ONLY being kept b/c of politics
20:57 <@oddball> right
20:57 < RangerZ1> and when that relationship ended... they dropped the trash
20:58 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: you should probably send that same email to that phreaknic group to be thorough
20:58 <@oddball> heh
20:58 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Good point
20:58 <@oddball> Dolemite: Is it ok if I share that email with others? (specifically the Hypericon folks)
20:59 <@Evilpig> oddball: do you need it formatted into a postable handbill?
20:59 <@Evilpig> I can bust out photoshop and make it print worthy
20:59 <@Dolemite> Oh, and for those that kept saying that we "never" had information on the website earlier than they did this year, I present to you, archive.org
20:59 <@oddball> I realize sending it to the list is pretty damned public, but I figured I should ask.
20:59 <@Evilpig> HEY!  no evidence pointing contrary to their stories
20:59 <@Dolemite> My first year running it I had a website up on April 9, 2002, with a call for presentations and details about the hotel.
20:59 <@oddball> Dolemite: You and your pesky "facts!"
20:59 <@Evilpig> You cannot break the illusion
21:00 <@Dolemite> Oh, and I also stated what help was needed.  Crazy talk!
21:02 <@Evilpig> for 16 I at least had it up by june
21:02 <@Evilpig> according to the archive
21:02 <@Evilpig> 15 looks like july
21:03 <@Evilpig> oooo nope.  apparently may
21:03 <@Evilpig> guess that doesn't count cause we didn't hav ea date set yet, just free chicken strips
21:04 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: you'd probably dig this chili sauce I made
21:05 <@Dolemite> Oh, hrmm, it appears that Wilbur Longwisch is no longer moderated on the google group
21:05 <@Evilpig> damn cat keeps trying to get into it.  i'm tempted to let her
21:06 <@Evilpig> oooooo.  I need to save a good one for that then
21:08 <@Evilpig> i'm also kinda curious to see what defense rattle and decius will throw his way now...
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21:08 <@Dolemite> I started to call Decius, but after talking to Tilghman and Ben on Saturday evening decided not to
21:09 <@Dolemite> Decius has stated that Dru should be beholden to the volunteers, not to the local members...   but tell me some volunteers that will be happy with Dru pissing away $12,000 on convention attended by less than 100 people?
21:10 <@Dolemite> Well anyway, time to watch Lost Girl.  Later, kids.
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21:10 <@Evilpig> I'm standing by this type of behavior is inexcusable.  It was a problem that was 100% avoidable if someone had just given the slightest consideration toward risk management and basic planning
21:11 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: kenzie boobs.
21:11 <@oddball> ooo... forgot about that starting up.
21:15 < RangerZ1> I wonder if there is a yelp for employees
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21:17 < RangerZ1> because I'd love to see some 'reviews' for all this
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21:23 < RangerZ1> aestetix: so here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQVxxu_RnV0 watch this instead of the looting outside your apartment
21:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: PlayStation Experience | Greatness for Everyone – Bringing Different POVs to Gaming Panel - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:46 < RangerZ> "Security Notice - Reports of Shots Fired at Cole Hall"
21:46 < RangerZ> whoa...
21:47 < RangerZ> that was my email header.... inside... nothing found... and no one else heard shots... :/
21:50 <@Bahhumbug> What's a Cole Hall?
21:54 <@oddball> Oh... and another lie that Dru has been caught in.  He stated that this PN was in the black.  Wiping out our bank account isn't exactly fitting most people's definition of that statement.
21:54 <@Evilpig> a 6,000 dollar loan is kinda anti-in-the-black
21:55 <@oddball> Well, yeah... there's that too.
21:55 <@Bahhumbug> I am kind of interested in that, actually.  _Was_ it a loan?  That doesn't seem clear to me.
21:55 <@oddball> Seems to be a question of who you ask.
21:55 <@Bahhumbug> Tilghman.
21:55 <@Bahhumbug> He's the person that _should_ know wtf is going on there.
21:56 <@oddball> Dink made mention of "a loan" before he left the meeting Friday.  Dru claims he was refering to Codex buying multiple years of sponsorship up front.
21:57 <@oddball> But I'm pretty sure that Dink knows what the word "loan" means.
21:58 <@Bahhumbug> I have no standing within the organization so coming from me it's useless but it might be amusing to have someone ask Tilghman, point blank, on the mailing list what the status of that actually is.
21:59 <@Evilpig> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
21:59 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/541467072963022848
21:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "My very favorite part was when the dude who threatened to drug me and ship me in a box to NJ to be another members sex slave..." (at twitter.com)
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> You're following crazy bitch?
22:00 <@Evilpig> no
22:00 <@Evilpig> it was brought to my attention
22:00 <@Evilpig> she was ranting about notlarry
22:00 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/541467264013594624
22:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "leaned across the table in his customarily creepy, condescending way and told her she was welcome to stay at the meeting. lololol" (at twitter.com)
22:01 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/541467495211991042
22:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "You fucking jackasses cant distinguish friend from foe HAVE YOU EVER SOCIALLY ENGINEERED A SINGLE GODDAMN THING IN YOUR LIVES NO REALLY." (at twitter.com)
22:01 <@Evilpig> there. in that order
22:02 <@Bahhumbug> See, that's a problem.  She should have been told to GTFO.
22:03 <@Evilpig> btw dag she was ranting on you as well
22:04 < RangerZ1> WHOOO HOOO
22:04 < RangerZ1> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/542144249173905408
22:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "I have also chosen where Im moving. No, Im not telling you." (at twitter.com)
22:04 <@Bahhumbug> I glanced at a few of her posts at random.  She truly is unbalanced.
22:04 <@Evilpig> is it a padded cell?  cause it shoudl be
22:05 < RangerZ1> apparently Manchester, TN
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> Would it start a war if I was to respond to her "moving" post with "Awesome!  Can I pay for the moving company for you so you leave sooner?"
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Die.
22:06 < RangerZ1> ?
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> "Manchester, TN"
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> Die faster.
22:06 < RangerZ1> ohh
22:07 < RangerZ1> I had to google "large outdoor music festival in tenn" because I couldn't remember the city or event name
22:07 < RangerZ1> lol
22:07 <@Bahhumbug> @fire RangerZ1
22:07 <@Evilpig> bonaroo
22:07  * GateKeeper sets fire to RangerZ1 with the flames of a thousand suns
22:08 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug loves the hippies that come out to stink up his town
22:08 <@Bahhumbug> Part of me, the evil & twisted side, actually wishes she would move here.
22:08 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: They bring in many millions of dollars in taxes.
22:08 <@Bahhumbug> I am perfectly fine with them being here.
22:09 < RangerZ1> cleanup: 1 person 355 days
22:09 < RangerZ1> thats well worth the influx of money
22:09 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, make it a full week-long event, or even 11 days (Th-Sun next)
22:09 <@Bahhumbug> It's all on private property.
22:10 <@Bahhumbug> And the people the flood into town, from my interactions with them both working there and just being in town, have all been great.
22:10 <@Evilpig> hrmm.  I'm looking at plane tickets for the next 2600 meeting.  brb
22:10 <@Bahhumbug> Nice, polite, happy, pick up after themselves, etc.
22:11 <@Evilpig> bah!  such a short trip would be $400
22:11 < RangerZ1> southwest?
22:11 <@Evilpig> all of them
22:11 < RangerZ1> southwest is NOT on the aggregation sites
22:12 < RangerZ1> a few others aren't either
22:12 <@Evilpig> I know
22:12 < RangerZ1> ok
22:13 <@Evilpig> southwest if I take some uber shitty flight times I can get it down to $243 which is in the acceptable price range
22:14 < RangerZ1> well....
22:14 < RangerZ1> the thing is its the 2nd
22:14 < RangerZ1> so I wouldn't be surprised if they delay it
22:14 < RangerZ1> or at least publish that its delayed....
22:14 <@Evilpig> there'd be no excuse to delay it
22:15 < RangerZ1> *shrugs*
22:15 < RangerZ1> the next weekend would only be 216
22:16 <@Evilpig> we'll see closer to time if I wanna drop the coin or not
22:17 <@Evilpig> I'd love to shut that bitch up in person and stand a good chance at making dru run
22:17 <@Bahhumbug> Wasn't she supposed to no longer be around 2600?
22:17 < RangerZ1> who knows
22:17 <@Evilpig> yeah well when you're wanting to fuck with a group no better way to do it then from the inside
22:18 < RangerZ1> she likes to spout nonsense
22:18 < RangerZ1> plus... which personality was 'active' when she posted that
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ1: Did you look at some of her posts?
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> She's quite literally bat-shit crazy.
22:18 < RangerZ1> not really, I was going to
22:18 < RangerZ1> her 'website' was proof enough of that
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> The booze has killed far too many brain cells.
22:18 < RangerZ1> feminst theory, fatalism... naturism
22:19 < RangerZ1> naturalism *
22:19 < RangerZ1> and a lot of random crap like ... ayn rand
22:19 < RangerZ1> etc
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22:38 < RangerZ1> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/541488430631645184
22:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "Im still bitter FBoPs censored at least one page of @rabites letters to me, even though it was probably some kind of Nazi rape fantasia." (at twitter.com)
22:39 < RangerZ1> that is weev's twitter she's referencing
22:49 <@Evilpig> anyone happen to have the shit inbetween these dates?  [ ]	#se2600.2012-05-21.log	21-May-2012 05:25 	513 	 
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22:50 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: ^
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22:56 <@benthemeek> Im here!
22:56 <@benthemeek> sorry crappy long day at th eoffice
22:56 <@oddball> You missed all the fun today!
22:57 <@benthemeek> AMA as always and I will be as truthful as possible
22:57 <@benthemeek> oh and as to anrchival
22:57 < RangerZ> she's moving
22:57 <@benthemeek> if you rea dher back log nerdboy = jonnyx
22:57 <@benthemeek> Is she? away from Nashville?
22:57 <@oddball> On one hand, I'm curious, on the other...
22:58 <@benthemeek> If you read her back log about nerdboy you find some interesting revelations
22:58 <@oddball> Actually, I'm a sick fuck and am curious.  She has a blog?
22:58 < RangerZ> *shrugs* could just be misinformation, b/c she thinks she is 3l|t3
22:58 < RangerZ> twitter
22:58 <@benthemeek> no her thousands of twitters
22:58 <@oddball> What, as anarchival?
22:59 <@benthemeek> indeed
23:01 <@oddball> My biggest comment on Dolemite's email is that I guess I shouldn't bother asking about my idea for joint room parties with Hypericon.
23:01 <@oddball> The rest of what he said, I think we all already knew.
23:02 <@Evilpig> buncha shady fucks hiding that kinda bullshit
23:02 <@benthemeek> Well I guess I am part of the shady fucks, but I had no idea that was going on. The extra sponsorship
23:03 <@benthemeek> Dink told me what I said in the email Sunday night as we were packing up
23:04 <@benthemeek> I guess Tilghman told dolemite we were at 0. Or gave him the impression anyway; but I understood us to be "in the black"
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: http://stuff.gerdesas.com/se2600logs
23:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Index of /se2600logs (at stuff.gerdesas.com)
23:04 <@oddball> benthemeek: Well, I'm guessing you were mostly going from info given to you from Dru... who was straight up lying to you.
23:05 <@benthemeek> oddball: I dont know what lie you mean.
23:05 <@benthemeek> I have never caught Dru in a lie
23:05 <@benthemeek> seriosuly
23:05 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: excellent.  i'm probably gonna grab those and fill in the blanks wher eI fucked up and lost all those in the stats if you don't care
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> Have at 'em.
23:06 <@oddball> benthemeek: Ummm... ok, then.  He stated that the con made money.
23:06 <@benthemeek> I mean I do know about his claims to email Evilpig. But I dont really know if I should try an exhaust that
23:06 <@benthemeek> did he?
23:07 <@benthemeek> Was I there? You mean at like a meeting?
23:07 <@oddball> While setting up on Thursday, he stated that we had enough in the bank to go out and buy whatever we needed "just like that"... including sound equipment.
23:07 <@oddball> He never did email any of the hypericon folks like he said.
23:07 <@oddball> yes.  He said these thigns.
23:08 <@benthemeek> Hmmm..
23:08 <@oddball> He said that the website was "being taken care of" in May
23:08 <@oddball> He said we could easily afford the hotel.
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> It's quite clear he (Dru) has a different concept of honesty and transparency than most everyone else.
23:09 <@Evilpig> it's true to him
23:09 <@Evilpig> he believes his own lies
23:09 <@benthemeek> This still is missing lots of contents, but just to prove I am working on what I said http://testhicks.dyndns.org:13376/grey_business/index.html
23:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: ARaynorDesign Template (at testhicks.dyndns.org:13376)
23:09 <@Evilpig> this is called insanity and delusion
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> It might actually be a few other things.
23:10 <@oddball> Then there's the several stories he told me about why he wasn't on IRC until he finally fessed up and told me that he didn't think that the con should be associated with this channel.
23:10 <@benthemeek> oddball: That was anarchivals doing
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> No, that was _his_ doing for listening to her.
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> She was only the catalyst.
23:11 <@benthemeek> wait thats unfair, he still beleived her word over seeing for himself, but she had him convinced this channel was just full of poeple that wanted the con to fail
23:12 <@Bahhumbug> Again, his fault.
23:12 <@Evilpig> he still believes i'm out to get him, which now I kinda am but that's another animal entirely
23:12 <@benthemeek> Yes, I am just saying he had help
23:12 <@Evilpig> and he brought it on himself for lying about me
23:12 <@oddball> He has to take responsibility for his actions.  Don't care what his advisor told him.  Now.  If he comes out and says "I was given bad advice, and acted on that, and I'm sorry," that might be different.
23:13 < NexusL> yeah but how many people are willing to own up to their mistakes and apologize
23:14 <@Bahhumbug> o/
23:14 <@Evilpig> I have to do it for work all the time
23:14 <@Bahhumbug> It's called being an adult.
23:14 <@benthemeek> Oddball: I am not trying to make excuses for him, but I wonder (if tilghman really did empty the account) if jonnyx thought that was going to happen durring the setup
23:14 < NexusL> Bahhumbug: yeah thats very true
23:14 <@Evilpig> when you fuck up, you take your lumps
23:14 < NexusL> thats how mature adults should conduct themselves, but I am sure we have all seen examples of people who are of age who act like they are 12
23:14 <@benthemeek> Well I tried to use the royal "we" in the email and take it on as my mistake
23:15 <@benthemeek> I will communicate about this, I accept the responsibility for trying to fix this
23:15 <@Evilpig> it isn't yours to fix
23:15 <@Evilpig> you didn't sign the contract and hide it
23:15 <@Evilpig> you didn't hide the debt going into the election, and if you did then you shoudl resign as well
23:15 <@oddball> benthemeek: At that point, he knew that the con was going to be on the hook for a lot of money.  Going by Dolemite's email, the hotel demanded money up front before letting us set up.  If that was the case, he *knew* that there was nothing in our coffers.
23:15 < NexusL> exactly, why take responsiblity for something you did not do wrong.
23:16 <@Evilpig> had the membership known the size of the fuckup he would not have been reelected
23:16 <@Evilpig> period
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> You're forgetting something here, folks.
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> The orgazniation has a treasurer.
23:16 < NexusL> Evilpig: not sure of the full scope of the convo, but you are right
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> There is a built-in check and balance for a reason.
23:16 < NexusL> hmm perhaps this is further over my head then i had thought
23:17 <@benthemeek> I still don't think its a debt thought Wilpig
23:17 <@benthemeek> That isnt the impression Dink gave to me
23:17 <@Bahhumbug> Have you seem the books?
23:17 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: is it income?
23:17 <@benthemeek> he said that literal thing
23:17 <@Evilpig> is it keeping you from future income because you've already taken it?
23:17 <@Evilpig> it's debt
23:17 <@Evilpig> you've accepted money for future services rendered
23:18 <@Evilpig> until said services are provided you are endebted to the person that paid you
23:18 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: And I consider him at least complicit in this venture.  He might have been just along for the ride as far as the obligations being made goes, but he was also stating that the con made money at Novemeber's meeting.
23:18 <@benthemeek> NexusL: Because if someone doesnt take responsibilty the whole thing is going to fall apart. We dont need finger pointing right now. We need triage and move on
23:18 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: Referring to Tilghman?
23:18 <@oddball> yep
23:19 <@benthemeek> I talked to Tilghman Saturday night, but I was trying to find out somethign dolemite mentioned about us getting sued
23:19 <@benthemeek> I didnt ask about the specific money
23:19 <@Bahhumbug> Please understand, I am not making accusations.  I am just pointing out that there is a check-and-balance in place and it takes more than two to tango.
23:19 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: You are an officer.  You have a right to see the books.
23:19 <@Bahhumbug> As does every dues-paying member of the organization.
23:19 <@Evilpig> thx Bahhumbug, i'm rebuilding the stats cache now with the missing data
23:20 <@benthemeek> oddball: Could he have meant with the sponsorships?
23:20 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: No problem.  Glad they were useful.
23:20 <@benthemeek> I dont find tilghman to be dishonest
23:20 < NexusL> benthemeek: yeah you are very right on that. finger pointing will not solve the problem at hand but rather complicate and delude the solution
23:20 <@oddball> benthemeek: If the con had to drain the bank account to pay the bills, that's not "making money."
23:20 <@oddball> or "in the black."
23:21 <@benthemeek> So the solution is we need some rules about how the finances should be available to any member who asks
23:21 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: what is there to triage, we accepted a contract for $10,000 to a hotel when for the last decade our hotel bill has been between $0 - $500 a year
23:21 <@benthemeek> and the hotel contract details too
23:21 <@Bahhumbug> You don't need rules.
23:21 <@Evilpig> what part of that is unclear and wtf
23:21 <@Bahhumbug> It's a tax-exempt organization whose members have every right to see the finances.
23:21 <@benthemeek> and it should require the okay of at least the whole officers
23:21 <@Evilpig> we don't need rules around it, we need officers that aren't trying to hide shit
23:21 <@oddball> benthemeek: In the past, those things have always been open to members that asked.  This year, I was told to fuck off.
23:22 <@oddball> This includes when I was still under the belief that I was still a director of the con.
23:22 <@benthemeek> oddball: I know you were right to ask in hindsite, but Jonnyx believed that the people on this channel were trying to make trouble due the whole anarchival thing
23:23 <@oddball> Don't give a shit
23:23 <@Bahhumbug> It goes straight to character that he choose to believe her over people he's known for many, many years.
23:23 <@benthemeek> Its not an excuse, but when he started seeing you as a "them" and not an "us" thats when the accusations and crap started
23:23 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: when you were here in NY I told you to your face what to expect if that contract was what I suspected.  and did I speak the truth?  did you do anything about it?
23:24 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: you were right, and no i never looked at the hotel contract. I trusted that it was a reasonable obligation
23:25 <@benthemeek> BUT thinking about where we are now. The organization isn't over, we aren't finished we just screwed up and have to run a very tight ship from now on
23:25 <@Bahhumbug> Verify than trust.
23:25 <@Evilpig> I gave you rational explanations and I had told you of the previous dealings with that hotel.  that shoudl have been enough information for you to at least been curious about
23:25 <@Evilpig> right ship?  you have 0 dollars
23:25 <@Evilpig> what are you gonna run on?
23:26 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: if that is true then Jonnyx needs to find us the funds to run on. I still want to know what our actual balance is. If its 0 some interesting choices will have to be made
23:26 <@oddball> benthemeek: Step 1. is having the officers admit that this year was a clusterfuck.  You have, but the others have not.
23:27 <@Evilpig> step 2.  dru resigns from decision making.  he clearly cannot be trusted
23:27 <@oddball> have to agree
23:27 <@benthemeek> Clusterfuck has a lot of implications. The hotel contract was agreed to far too many room nights
23:27 <@Evilpig> clusterfuck
23:28 <@Evilpig> you don't accept a contract that makes you pick up unpurchased nights
23:28 <@Evilpig> that isn't even close to an agreement that a sane person would agree to
23:28 <@oddball> The hotel was exactly what I stated it was when the idea was first announced: entirely too expensive for our con.
23:29 <@oddball> Evilpig: From what I understand, the contract said that the meeting space would be cheaper if we booked x rooms out of our block.  That's fairly standard.
23:29 <@Evilpig> that is 
23:30 <@Evilpig> but if you have to book 90% of that space to get that deal....
23:30 <@Evilpig> where's the fucking contract...
23:30 <@Evilpig> we're still talking about shit we can only speculate on
23:30  * benthemeek nods
23:30 <@Evilpig> claiming that the contract is private blah blah blah.  bullshit
23:32 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: For what its worth, I followed what they said about that, not everyone needed to know; but now im thinking why have any kept back information at all. Its not like anyone gets a salary or anything out of this
23:32 <@benthemeek> its for the community, they can see what they are paying for
23:32 <@Bahhumbug> You should have thought of that before last week's election.
23:33 <@benthemeek> Bahhumbug: Are you on the mailing list?
23:33 <@Bahhumbug> For now.
23:34 <@benthemeek> Well I had no reason to think we had a 0 account. As a matter of fact I still dont. I am going to email tilghman to ask
23:34 <@oddball> benthemeek: I can see not posting it in public for all to see, or even the membership of the con, but the memebership of nashville2600 has always been considered to be among the folks running the con.
23:34 <@benthemeek> Not that I don't believe Scott, I just want to make sure we arent playing the game of telephone
23:35 <@Evilpig> nashville2600's sole purpose is the plan and run the con...
23:35 <@oddball> benthemeek: Here's an excellent excuse: I'm asking if we have the funds to carry out my promotional plan.
23:36 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: I can tell you right now what to expect.  the hotel had to be paid upfront
23:36 <@Evilpig> you wrote out a check of the remainder of the checking account.  dink paid the rest
23:36 <@Evilpig> all money that is currently in hand is anyone that paid at the door, and that will be few.  any money collected for t-shirts
23:36 <@Evilpig> that's it.
23:37 <@Evilpig> I will say you have a bill coming for the mailbox, one for the storage building, you have to pay all the domains shortly because i'm not doing it
23:37 <@Evilpig> you have the annual filing costs for the corporation
23:37 <@Evilpig> and francis's bill will be coming probably in january for the shirts, swag, whatever you had printed
23:38 <@Evilpig> since you dumbshits added an ssl cert to the website, i'm sure that took away the free hosting package we had with dreamhost since you now require a static ip.  so count that money in as well
23:38 <@oddball> Good news is that there weren't any new shirts or swag! Wait... I think there were shirts.
23:39 <@Evilpig> good deal!  so you paid more for the con, more for the rooms, no swag to show for it.  AWESOME!
23:39 <@Evilpig> this was an outstanding success!
23:39 <@benthemeek> *sigh*
23:39 <@Evilpig> you're seeing the size of the shit mountain you're about to push a boudler up
23:40 <@benthemeek> Ask not what Phreaknic can do for you, but what can you do for Phreaknic!
23:40 <@Evilpig> I asked to help phreaknic and got told to fuck off
23:40 <@oddball> We did, and were told to fuck off.
23:40 <@benthemeek> Im joking. but I dont think its as bleak as it is being made out to me
23:40 <@benthemeek> be
23:40 <@Evilpig> I could have fixed that little website fuckup that the brain trust couldn't
23:40 <@Evilpig> but instead they removed my ssh key
23:41 <@Evilpig> that fuck still has yet to appologize to me
23:41 <@benthemeek> Was the ssh key taken after you reset the drupal site?
23:41 <@Evilpig> who knows
23:41 < RangerZ> no
23:42 < RangerZ> because you ranted about it afterwards
23:42 < RangerZ> lol
23:42 <@benthemeek> I think it was believed that you were actively trying to bring the site down
23:42 <@benthemeek> So they removed your access
23:42 < RangerZ> 'believed' = 'fantasy' , which... is the root cause of ALL these problems
23:43 <@Evilpig> believed, perceived, wrong
23:43 <@benthemeek> *shrugs* I know you didnt mean it that way, but that seems a normal precaution
23:43 <@Evilpig> still no appology
23:43 <@Evilpig> it isn't natural.  calling me and saying "what's up?" is natural
23:43 < RangerZ> ben, they were behaving as clinical definitions of paranoid schizophrenia
23:43 <@Evilpig> jumping to conclusion and making threats and accusations is the actions of a crazy person
23:43 <@benthemeek> YEs.
23:44 <@Evilpig> don't forget that he threatened to call the state's attorney on me
23:44 <@Evilpig> I haven't
23:44 <@benthemeek> But here is what I believe. When that happened suddenly all the things anarchival was saying about this channel became real
23:44 <@Evilpig> it was real before
23:44 <@benthemeek> wilpig really WAS out to take down the site and destroy the con
23:44 <@Evilpig> I todl you that delusion of his started at PN17
23:44 <@benthemeek> (To them)
23:44 < RangerZ> honestly, just because no one (other than notlarry) didn't run... doesn't mean everyone thought he was the best bet, just that everyone knew the voting block was too large for the 'pro dru' gropu
23:44 < RangerZ> group*
23:44 <@benthemeek> This is how they see it
23:44 <@Evilpig> it doesn't fucking matter because he never once said shit to me about it
23:45 <@Evilpig> that is how they saw it,  how they still see it, it doesn't matter.  that isn't how an adult running a business handles his shit
23:45 <@Evilpig> you don't make accusations based on nothing
23:45 <@oddball> RangerZ: No... I was seriously thinking about running if no one else ran against him.  I just also like sleeping in my own bed... and not having to worry about Naienko stabbing me in my sleep.
23:46 < RangerZ> if I didn't want to avoid the legal liability of being the head of a non-profit (which is higher than normal LLCs) I would have ran , but I would have done it the right way... sending out email blasts beforehand, etc
23:46 < RangerZ> 'non-profits' have less protection than full LLCs
23:46  * benthemeek nods
23:46 < RangerZ> thanking Dru for his hard work
23:46 <@benthemeek> I have been reading up on that
23:46 < RangerZ> being sickening nice
23:47 < RangerZ> lol
23:47 <@oddball> I also knew that any chance of anyone beating him was to have only one person running against him.
23:47 < RangerZ> ^ my voting block comment
23:47 < NexusL> hey random question anyone here play with Kali NetHunter on a Nexus device yet?
23:48 <@benthemeek> Dru messed up the contract. I knew he messed it up, I just understood the mess up to be straightened up when Dink said so
23:48 <@oddball> Yep.  And even with it being an annonymous vote, I can tell you who voted which way.
23:48 <@benthemeek> I still thought/think he can do it
23:48 <@Evilpig> no he fucking can't
23:48 <@Evilpig> he thought that contract was good
23:48 <@Evilpig> don't you get it
23:48 <@Evilpig> he thought it was GOOD
23:48 <@Evilpig> if not good then at least okay or acceptable
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: I hate to be the one to break this to you, I really do....  But life isn't full of rainbow farting unicorns.
23:49 <@Evilpig> unless you're gonna glue yourself to his shoulder and be his jimminy fucking cricket you can't stop him from being fucking retarded
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> You really need to stop seeing good in everyone all the time.
23:49 <@benthemeek> But it is also not full of back stabbing weasels
23:49 < RangerZ> honestly, if dru is busy with other things, then thats fine, he can help in getting speakers
23:49 <@benthemeek> Dru may beleive his own stories but here I am trying to put this thing back together
23:49 <@Evilpig> strap a helmet to him and show him a light socket.  i'll entertain odds that he'll try to jam something into it
23:49 < RangerZ> he doesn't NEED to be the president
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> Too late for that.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> The "masses" have spoken.
23:50 <@Evilpig> you can't put things together when he is actively taking them apart
23:50 < RangerZ> no, b/c they will have to revote when they redo the bylaws, etc
23:50 <@benthemeek> That contract thing is NEVER going to happen again
23:50 <@Evilpig> follow your kids around for an afternoon and give them tools to take shit apart.  see how well you can keep the house together
23:50 <@Evilpig> yes it will
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> It happened once.  Isn't that enough?/
23:51 <@Evilpig> but next time he'll try to get a speaker booked in or a musical group
23:51 <@benthemeek> Noone is going to trust A
23:51 <@Evilpig> he'll make a promise to someone then bill them out and they'll show and you'llbe on teh hook to pay them
23:51 <@benthemeek> any one person to sign that
23:51 < RangerZ> its what helped killed notacon (temporarilly, they are doing one next year now), b/c they were 3 rooms short
23:51 <@Evilpig> you can't catch all the shit he can fuck up
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> In busines if someone pulled what Dru did with the hotel contract they would be terminated with prejudice.
23:51 <@benthemeek> Dru really wants phreaknic to succeed. He is not out to destroy it
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
23:51 <@benthemeek> He screwed up, but that doesnt mean he is going to make it a habbit
23:52 <@Evilpig> who cares what he wants.  HE DOESN"T HAVE THE SKILLSET TO LEAD IT TO VICTORY
23:52 <@oddball> he doesn't think he screwed up.
23:52 <@Evilpig> if you want it to succeed you have to remove the broken part of the machine
23:53 <@benthemeek> oddball: he knows he screwed up
23:53 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you've got a server in your computer room with a flakey cable.  if you hold it just right it works flawlessly
23:53 <@Evilpig> can you go on vacation with that cable?
23:53 <@Evilpig> do you leave it there for some future time or do you fix that shit?
23:53 <@benthemeek> He admitted it to me and tilghman about the contract. Again, I just had reason to beleive Dink made it okay. I am not used to the idea that I should be scriutinizing accounts.
23:53 <@oddball> benthemeek: Then he needs to say so to the membership.
23:53 <@benthemeek> I will from now on
23:55 <@oddball> As far as I'm aware, he still believes that everything was roses.
23:55 -!- NexusL [~nexus@cpe-174-100-54-48.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
23:55 < RangerZ> Dink personally?
23:55 < RangerZ> or dink's company?
23:55 < RangerZ> b/c his co-founder might want to know where that 6k/9k is going to 'go'
23:56 < RangerZ> thats KINDA important
23:56 <@benthemeek> Dink owns his training company I believe. Did you read the reply to Scott's email? That is what he said to me
23:56 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: That's his problem.
23:56 < RangerZ> benthemeek: my understanding is he owns 50%
23:56 < RangerZ> thats why he can't make decisions on his own
23:57 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: yeah, but if he starts a 'this non-profit isn't on the up and up' smoke being flown into the air
23:57 < RangerZ> thats just -bad- for all
23:59 <@benthemeek> I cant really do anything about the past. I can just say this year is different. I will MAKE it different. A team should be running this thing anyway and not any one person.
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