--- Log opened Sat Dec 06 00:00:06 2014
00:16 < aestetix> god there's another huge protest in oakland
00:17 < Synx|hm> about what? the dateline nbc that just aired showing the thefy of bikes in SF?
00:17 < Synx|hm> theft
00:17 < aestetix> about the chokehold verdict
00:17 <@Bahhumbug> butthurt nitwits with nothing better to do.
00:17 < Synx|hm> oh the sheeple?
00:17 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: well, to be fair, the verdict was really messed up
00:18 <@Bahhumbug> if we're lucky they'll burn Oakland to the ground so we don't have to listen to the whining any longer.
00:18 < Synx|hm> aestetix: just reading it now, was not aware (i dont get out much)
00:18 < Synx|hm> the verdict that is not the death
00:19 < aestetix> well basically
00:19 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rze-TEJJpYs FFS
00:20 < aestetix> a bunch of people are really angry, and they wanted something bad to happen to the police
00:20 <@Bahhumbug> Because that type of behavior always ends well for them.
00:21 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: not disagreeing with you.
00:21 < Synx|hm> my take... and not an all that informed one but mine none the less... the police have a fucking shitty job, they put their lives on the line every day for us, sure there are fuckers in the police just like there are in the military, politics, church, etc, but you have got to give some sort of legal protection for someone who goes out every fucking day and has to ask themselves "is today the day i get shot in the face wirting some fuck a parkin
00:22 < RangerZ> in GA, you shouldn't be able to GO TO JAIL for 12 months for _a speeding ticket_
00:22 < RangerZ> unless you are going 88 mph into a clock tower....
00:23 < Synx|hm> is it wrong what happend, yes 100%, is it possible the officer involved overstepped his bounds, yes 100%, do i believe the officer intended choke that guy to death no, is it possible he did yes
00:24 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: manslaughter
00:24 < RangerZ> when you kill someone by accident
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Depends on how fast you're going.  15MPH+ over the limit becomes a criminal offense in most jurisdictions.
00:24 < Synx|hm> so does that mean we should take every discharge of a weapon from police and put them on trail, i dont know its a slippery slope
00:25 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: nah, just ban all guns
00:25 < RangerZ> thats all
00:25 < RangerZ> only military and police can have them
00:25 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: fair, im just saying its going to be hard to police if the police are afraid to do anything because every time they try and protect us they get put on trial
00:25 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: *trolls oddball too much with things like that* lol
00:25 < Synx|hm> well there is an amendment to deal with first
00:25 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: yep, but we can Amend amendments
00:26 < RangerZ> lol
00:26 < Synx|hm> any way you slice this is fucking sucks
00:26 < aestetix> why not just melt the weapons
00:26 < Synx|hm> i tell u whut, i dont trust our gvnt enough to give up all my weapons
00:27 < Synx|hm> we need em incase of revolution numero 2
00:28 < RangerZ> aestetix: b/c the NRA steps in and passes laws to prevent that
00:28 < RangerZ> even after gun buy backs
00:28 < RangerZ> so the cops often have to sell the guns they bought back
00:28 < Synx|hm> ha
00:28 < RangerZ> hell I think it was Oakland where they turned in a TOE missile
00:29 < RangerZ> and by "NRA passes" i obviously mean politicians who bow to the NRA
00:30 < Synx|hm> which way does that work, NRW bows to them with money or they bow to the NRA, i guess its mutual?
00:30 < Synx|hm> a government by the people for the people [with money, namely the corporations]
00:31 < Synx|hm> ya thats not doomed for failure, nope
00:31 < Synx|hm> once i start collecting my military remtirement im going expat
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> Talk of banning weapons is pointless.  It's Not Going To Happen.  Period.
00:33 <@Evilpig> I need caffeine
00:33 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: so? it raises oddball's bloodpressure 15pts just by mentioning it
00:34 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: 3rd state has passed a law calling for a constitutional convention
00:34 < RangerZ> so thats progressing a lot faster than some other amendments moved
00:35 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: One trolltard in this channel is enough, don't you think?
00:35 < Synx|hm> ha
00:35 < RangerZ> hell the FIRST 13th (or was it 14th) amendment never got ratified, b/c we added new states so it never reached the 2/3rds margin
00:36 < Synx|hm> interesting i was at thanksgiving dinner with my sisters inlaws this year and one of their cousins or whoever 19year old punk kid waltz in holstering his pistol
00:36 < RangerZ> [No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.]
00:36 < Synx|hm> then proceeds to tell all the kids in the room how its his rights and such but he clearly had zero fucking clue why said rights existed
00:38 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: is that an 'this constutution is null and void' ammendment lol
00:38 < RangerZ> pretty much
00:38 < Synx|hm> nice
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00:39 < Synx|hm> ive got 2 hours left on this conf call i need to pace myself on the beers im about to pass the fuck out (been up since 4am)
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00:41 < RangerZ> wtf, how long is the call?
00:42 < RangerZ> i think your manager needs to re-read the definition of a SCRUM 'stand up' meeting... and not have them exist for hours a day
00:42 < RangerZ> lol
00:42 < Synx|hm> its for testing
00:42 < Synx|hm> not an internal mgmt meeting ha
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> You need a better job that has sane hours.
00:43 < Synx|hm> i haven't spoken with my actual manager in months
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> That's always a bonus.
00:43 < RangerZ> not really
00:43 < Synx|hm> Bahhumbug: when i have to tell people the military had much better hours and better pay than the place i work now, i feel so depressed
00:44 < RangerZ> i didn't see my advisor for months at a time... not really helpful
00:44 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: well the military understands that sleep and R&R are important for morale
00:45 < Synx|hm> ha what you dont get is i came from a plase that was so deprived of morale it was insane
00:45 < RangerZ> i mean, no one would be stupid enough to work in IT where they have crap hours.... *cough*NotLarry*Synx|hm*cough*
00:45 < Synx|hm> i came from the blowels of the tip of the spear nuclear world, never have i seen such bad morale/leadership
00:45 < aestetix> I woud hope the military has good pay and good hours
00:46 < RangerZ> aestetix: nah, the military targets the poor and helpless, b/c smart people generally have better options
00:46 < Synx|hm> i think we have all seen the stuff in the news about the nuclear world, well i was right there in the thick of that and my god it was horrible
00:46 < RangerZ> without universal basic conscription, thats what you'll have
00:47 < Synx|hm> and the fact that im comparing that as a plus to what im doing now makes me ill
00:47  * RangerZ gives Synx|hm some NoDoze and Aderol
00:47 < RangerZ> and Midol (for when you're suicidal)
00:48 < Synx|hm> dex and ambien, ya been there they give flyers go and nogo pills for missions over 12hours, and seeing as how im on the B52 i have a fair number of missions over 12 hours
00:49 < Synx|hm> the USAF no shit gives flyers speed, and then sleeping pills for after they land so they can get up 12ish hours later and do it again
00:49 < RangerZ> just wait
00:50 < RangerZ> the new pills the are working on.... no sleep needed for 7 days
00:50 <@NotLarry> Ok, I talked to Dink and he is not upset with me getting VP.
00:50 < RangerZ> NotLarry: did he laugh at you, and then chuckle as he ran away?
00:50 <@NotLarry> ikr
00:50 < Synx|hm> ha dont doubt the military would hand out something as devistating as that
00:51 < RangerZ> lets them operate at like 70% the entire time
00:51 < RangerZ> no way its 100%
00:51 < RangerZ> .....for now....
00:52 < RangerZ> we just need http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/ robots
00:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Elysium (2013) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
00:52 < RangerZ> to be police/military
00:53 < Synx|hm> hey mild change of topic, what do you all honestly think of the new over time laws that state you have to make below X threshold salary to be included in required OT pay
00:53 < RangerZ> huh?
00:53 < RangerZ> what state?
00:53 < RangerZ> or federal?
00:54 < Synx|hm> ya http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/13/obama-overtime-rules-boehner-mcconnell/6373841/
00:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Obama orders overtime rule changes (at www.usatoday.com)
00:54 < RangerZ> http://www.businessmanagementdaily.com/41588/new-rule-on-white-collar-overtime-pay-pushed-back-to-february
00:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: New rule on white-collar overtime pay pushed back to February — Business Management Daily: Free Reports on Human Resources, Employment Law, Office Management, Office Communication, Office Technology and Small Business Tax Business Management Daily (at www.businessmanagementdaily.com)
00:55 < RangerZ> [exempt if you make 23k a year]
00:55 < aestetix> RangerZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk#t=58
00:55 < RangerZ> I'd like to see that be ~80k
00:55 < RangerZ> aestetix: yeah, seen that
00:56 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: i thought it was more in the 60K range, but yes i agree honestly id like to see that 150K+ companies telling salaried people they are expected and required to work 60+ hours a week is insane
00:58 < Synx|hm> im not sure ive worked a week under 50 hours in 2 years with this company and the fact that im losing PTO hours this year because i have been unable to take them really pisses me off
00:58 < RangerZ> just schedule them out months
00:58 < RangerZ> and take them no matter what
00:58 < Synx|hm> just because i am salary does not mean they get to utilize me every fucking day of the year
00:58 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: ya id not have a job
00:58 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: thats not a job worth having then
00:58 < Synx|hm> i dont fix shit for them, testing doesn't happen, they dont make revenue
00:59 < RangerZ> only if it is YOUR company is that shit worth it
00:59 < Synx|hm> 100% agree, except that it is worth it even if it isn't because if i dont do it i dont pay my mortgage and my family doesn't eat
01:00 < RangerZ> hence your  indentured servitude status
01:00 < RangerZ> :/
01:00  * RangerZ comforts the crying Synx|hm
01:00 < Synx|hm> ha
01:00 < Synx|hm> you sure are doing alot of comforting for me today
01:00 < Synx|hm> thanks
01:01 < RangerZ> look at it this way
01:01 < RangerZ> at least you aren't the new VP of nashville2600
01:01 < RangerZ> lol
01:02 < Synx|hm> haha
01:03 < Synx|hm> you know, i like what i do, and i dont mind working my ass off when needed, but what i do mind is a company that only cares about sales sales sales and not at all about the people that work for them
01:03 < Synx|hm> if and when they decided to actually value me ill maybe consider valueing them
01:03 < RangerZ> just talk to your union rep
01:03 < RangerZ> thats all
01:03 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
01:03 < Synx|hm> :(
01:03  * RangerZ comforts the crying Synx|hm
01:04 < RangerZ> LOL
01:04 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: where's that amazon wishlist?
01:04 < Synx|hm> haha i wont do it
01:04 <@Evilpig> it'll make you feel better
01:04 < Synx|hm> in actuality only my wife and sister have told me about it, i refuse to look at it
01:05 <@Evilpig> all the more reason to let us look
01:05 < Synx|hm> haha
01:05 < Synx|hm> where is corydon you can look at his
01:06 <@Evilpig> it's full of fists and anal ease
01:06 < Synx|hm> seriously though where is corydon? still not over what ever fight happened?
01:06 < RangerZ> holy hell... apparently youtube has these weird videos that they try to sell products before the video I want to watch... is youtube broken?
01:06 < Synx|hm> you can buy fists on amazon, holy fuck sign me up for triple prime
01:07 < RangerZ> ohh... just accidentally watched a video on a fresh browser
01:08 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: my friend was the guy who made the page for that on amazon (he worked at their warehouse when that came in for the first time)... he made some of the first comments on it, saying how it was "so fisty", etc, lol
01:09 < RangerZ> made = made it go live*
01:09 < Synx|hm> ha
01:12 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: but yes, that is the root cause of why you are treated like an indentured servant
01:12 < RangerZ> no union rep
01:12 < Synx|hm> im no religious man, but this is not the fucking reason i am here on this earth
01:13 < RangerZ> say what you want, limiting work to 40hrs a week ... and 'week ends'  still is a work in progress *points to Synx|hm as proof*
01:13 <@Evilpig> btw if anyone wants to see the new kevin smith movie "tusk" I might be able to help you out with that soon
01:13 < Synx|hm> now just let me finish my resume so i can sell my soul to someone else
01:13 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: oh?
01:13 <@Evilpig> checking it out now to be sure
01:14 < Synx|hm> was it released on sony haha
01:14 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: good news, they are doubling the pay of USAF nuclear bomber pilots and staff, to help morale
01:14 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: oh where'd you read that, because that is not true at all
01:14 < RangerZ> lol, i know, was just teasing
01:14 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: they did however just give us a new nuclear deterence medal
01:15 < RangerZ> you STILL in the mil?
01:15 < Synx|hm> ha silly me sorry my sarcasim meter is broken (been up since 5am)
01:15 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: yes im in the reserves now
01:15 < RangerZ> ahh
01:15 < RangerZ> don't worry, they don't get the raise
01:15 < RangerZ> only the increased workload
01:15 < RangerZ> lol
01:15 < Synx|hm> so on top of my 50 hours week i get to go play military on those weekends i dont work for this sucmbag company
01:15 < Synx|hm> and go play military now includes a 9 hours drive
01:16 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: talk to aestetix, he knows a company in need of a new computer jocky
01:16 < RangerZ> (where he just left, for same shit reasons)
01:16 < Synx|hm> ha
01:17 < Synx|hm> wish BUFFs were at more locations because im fucking tied to driving distance from shreveport, la
01:17 < RangerZ> you and your silly BFFs
01:18 < RangerZ> ohh ... wait...
01:18 < RangerZ> lol
01:18 < RangerZ> http://thegameawards.com/watch-live/
01:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Watch Or Attend | Game Awards 2014 (at thegameawards.com)
01:18 < RangerZ> just escape into that
01:19 < RangerZ> but night all
01:19 < RangerZ> pushed this ... 36hrs of no sleep , 8.5hr drive from NE Ohio to Nashville... and then day of meetings to the limit
01:19 < RangerZ> peace the fuck out
01:20 < Synx|hm> oh i should stop my bitching them
01:20 < Synx|hm> ha
01:20 < Synx|hm> my bad
01:20 < Synx|hm> g'night
01:25 < RangerZ> thats after ~14 days of moving my mom, my cousin and my other cousin houses
01:25 < RangerZ> with no real thanksgiving dinner for us, b/c we were busy... :/
01:26 < RangerZ> but everything is finished... and thats what mattered... *goes and cries in the corner*
01:26 < RangerZ> lol
01:26 < Synx|hm> wait wait this is my moment...
01:27  * Synx|hm comforts RangerZ 
01:27 < Synx|hm> yes, I did it!
01:27 < RangerZ> lol
01:27 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: I'm sorry to inform you that you just broke a server
01:27 < RangerZ> karma is a bitch
01:27 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: ha anyways go get some sleep and thanks for listening to me bitch
01:56 <@Evilpig> guess i'm crashing
01:56 <@Evilpig> later y'all
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> g'nite Evil one.
02:14 < Synx|hm> ok ive hit a wall
02:14 < Synx|hm> so tired now, i may not make it to the end of this call
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04:48 < aestetix> http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/6417-sf-rent-is-officially-a-sinkhole-now
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07:52 <@Shadow404> aestetix: how much you selling your body for to make rent?
08:08 <@Evilpig> aestetix: sounds like Shadow404 is looking to pay if you'd advertise a little. 
08:10 <@Shadow404> dont be jealous
08:18 < aestetix> Shadow404: the pay changes depending on what part
08:19 <@Shadow404> are there any repeat customer discounts?
08:24 < aestetix> Shadow404: you have to make me really, really happy for that
08:33 <@Evilpig> I just saw the minutes from last night's meeting the 7 people that voted for insanity are very clear
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08:43 <@Evilpig> johnny depp is cracking my shit up in this tusk movie
08:56 <@Evilpig> spiffy  http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/indoor-access-points-client-bridges/17014-ecb1750-coming-soon
08:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: ECB1750 Coming Soon! (at www.engeniustech.com)
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11:17 < aestetix> Evilpig: found another picture of your gf: http://i.imgur.com/QEjwqQV.png
11:30 < Synx|hm> hey guess what im back at it again fuck work
11:46 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: what came of tusk?
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13:17 < Synx|hm> well i guess im learning python today
13:17 < Synx|hm> lovely
13:19 <@Bahhumbug> Oh and look.  aestetix being a douchebag yet again.
13:20 < Synx|hm> hate hate hate hate
13:20 < Synx|hm> can i be an OP for a day? i feel powerless
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13:21 <@Synx|hm> ZOMG
13:21 <@brimstone> don't abuse it
13:21 <@Synx|hm> POWERS
13:21 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you love me, admit it
13:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [-o Synx|hm] by Synx|hm
13:23 < Synx|hm> shit! with great power comes great responsibility
13:23 < Synx|hm> fuck me
13:23 <@Dickie> NO
13:24 <@Dickie> Stop telling me what to do
13:24 < Synx|hm> ha
13:32 < InfoSecDog> brimstone, how was the meeting last night?  I worked late and couldn't make it.
13:33 <@brimstone> InfoSecDog: good, 4 of us were there
13:33 < InfoSecDog> nice
13:33 <@brimstone> chatted about all kinds of stuff
13:33 < InfoSecDog> sorry I couldn't make it
13:33 <@brimstone> eh, next month
13:33 < Synx|hm> brimstone: was last night a local meeting?
13:33 < InfoSecDog> I've got it on my calendar for January
13:34 <@brimstone> Synx|hm: yup, 2600
13:34 < InfoSecDog> I'll be at DC404 for sure too.  I never miss that.
13:34 < Synx|hm> brimstone: remind me again which local chapter in SE you in?
13:34 <@brimstone> Synx|hm: 404
13:35 < Synx|hm> ahh thanks
13:35 <@brimstone> Synx|hm: you're in nashville right?
13:35 < Synx|hm> anyone know if/when the nashville meetings are
13:35 < Synx|hm> ya
13:35 < Synx|hm> for some reason i recall someone saying there were no meetings here just nlug meetings
13:35 < InfoSecDog> As a general rule, they are the first Friday of the month.
13:35 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: there are no dc615 meetings
13:35 <@brimstone> all 2600 meetings are the same time, ~7pm first friday of the month
13:36 <@brimstone> the nashville ones are at JJ's
13:36 <@Evilpig> brimstone: nashville is also at 6, not 7
13:36 <@brimstone> ah, ok
13:36 <@Evilpig> typically by 7 we've broken up and are headed toward food or a movie. ;)
13:36 < InfoSecDog> I didn't even leave the office until 8:00 and I had to get home to sick dog.
13:37 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: where do i find said info, also Tusk did it get released online? im seeing scene webrips
13:38 < InfoSecDog> *to a sick dog
13:39 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: nm im an idiot... Nashville: J&J's Market & Cafe, 1912 Broadway. 6 pm
13:40 <@Evilpig> yup that's the place
13:40 <@Evilpig> and as for tusk, it's in that place where I put things
13:41 < InfoSecDog> Hack the planet!
13:41 < InfoSecDog> echo {1..1337} > Garbage\ File
13:42 <@Evilpig> as creepy as it is, I really like getting home from the store and getting a full receipt of my purchase automagically from them
13:42 < InfoSecDog> Micro Center will email you a receipt.  I like that for filing taxes.
13:43 <@Evilpig> so will chili's and petsmart but you have to pick that option.  this one is just automagical with no interaction at all
13:43 <@Evilpig> hence the creepy aspect of it
13:43 < InfoSecDog> Ah
13:44 < InfoSecDog> Which store?
13:44 <@Evilpig> shoprite
13:44 < InfoSecDog> Does it require a customer loyalty card?
13:45 <@Evilpig> not require but to get the extra coupons you have to use one
13:46 < InfoSecDog> What links your purchase to the automagic receipt?
13:46 <@Evilpig> the card and also my credit card
13:47 <@Evilpig> I've run in before just to grab a quick this or that and didn't need to scan the card for a discount and got a receipt later
13:47 < InfoSecDog> So your CC is registered to you via Shoprite's DB?
13:47 <@Evilpig> registered... not by me.  I'm sure their data gnomes have connected them someplaces
13:47 < InfoSecDog> hmmmmm
13:48 < InfoSecDog> Well, my name is Bobby Tables.  Suppose I get a new card or a Robert Tables comes in...wonder what they do then.
13:48 <@Evilpig> my shit is pretty predictable so i'd say after the x time I used it in conjunction with that reward card they just associated the two
13:48 < InfoSecDog> Makes sense.
13:49 <@Evilpig> although.. I have used my CC on their online portal thing to do some of that there fancy online grocery shopping as well.  heh
13:49 < InfoSecDog> There you go then.
13:51 < InfoSecDog> I'm having fun with the Publix online deli ordering form.
13:51 < InfoSecDog> It accepts encoded strings.
13:52 <@Evilpig> my pizza needs to cook faster
13:52 < InfoSecDog> That sounds delicious right now.
13:53 <@Evilpig> get your own!
13:53  * Evilpig growls
13:53 < InfoSecDog> Ha!
13:54 < Synx|hm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5pyFhmAqE
13:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Rubber | official trailer US (2011) Quentin Dupieux - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:56 < InfoSecDog> Awwww shit...po po showed up
13:57 <@Evilpig> that's what you get for eyeing my pizza
13:57 < InfoSecDog> He's going to strangle her in the shower!
13:57 <@Evilpig> time to pay the piper bitch
13:58 < InfoSecDog> I was referring to the video.
13:58 < InfoSecDog> "Rubber"
13:58 <@Shadow404> giggity
13:59 <@Shadow404> though im wondering why gaming trailers always show the cinematic cutscense
13:59 <@Shadow404> that doesnt sell me
13:59 <@Shadow404> i want to see actual gameplay
13:59 < InfoSecDog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M
13:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: KUNG FURY Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:02 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: because they're still trying ot make believe you're buying it for the story
14:03 <@Shadow404> stories fine, show me somem cutscenes to build the background on the game......but not the whole damn trailer
14:03 <@Shadow404> i want to see what the game play looks like
14:04 <@Shadow404> you can show me the smoothest HD cut scene
14:04 < aestetix> Shadow404: have you ever used an aneros?
14:04 <@Shadow404> but the gameplay could be horrible
14:04 <@Shadow404> aestetix: no, but im no stranger to /ignore either
14:04 < aestetix> what?
14:04 <@Shadow404> being in san fran, you should be very famaliar with the aneros toy
14:05 < aestetix> lol
14:06 <@Evilpig> I'm not even googling that word
14:07 <@Shadow404> its a form of butt plug
14:08 <@Shadow404> anyone thats been to a pron store would see its display at the front
14:08 <@Dickie> Wonder twin powers activate
14:08 <@Shadow404> huge marketing campaign
14:08 <@Dickie> Form of - a butt plug
14:08 <@Shadow404> Dickie: not the traditional shape
14:08 <@Dickie> Whatever gets you off, man
14:08 <@Dickie> More power to you
14:08 <@Shadow404> hey....good for people
14:09 <@Dickie> ...and your butt
14:09 <@Shadow404> heh
14:11 <@Dickie> I don't get the two little dangly things
14:11 <@Dickie> What do they do
14:11 <@Dickie> Stab you in the nuts/tailbone?
14:11 <@Dickie> brimstone: help me out
14:11 <@Shadow404> male p spot
14:11 < Synx|hm> ok wife is really pissing me off right now
14:11 <@brimstone> i'm just trying to figure out what to use to clean it
14:11 <@brimstone> should i put it in the dishwasher?
14:11 <@Shadow404> heh
14:11 < Synx|hm> shes giving me all sorts of fucking shit for working right now, WTF you think i enjoy this
14:11 <@brimstone> does it need to be dry cleaned?
14:12 <@brimstone> line dry?
14:12 <@Shadow404> yes, line dry
14:12 <@Shadow404> preferrably in front yard for neighbors to see
14:12 <@brimstone> i got to move my clothes lines then
14:13 <@Shadow404> as long as your panties are dry
14:15 <@Dickie> Ok, NSFW: this looks like a headcrab from half life http://amzn.com/B00PVM90V2
14:15 <@Dickie> I just went on a wikipedia-style rabbit hole with sex toys
14:15 <@Dickie> Synx|hm: I had to have that talk once
14:16 <@Dickie> "What am I supposed to do? Tell them 'No'?"
14:17 < Synx|hm> its not so much that as she fucking knows im doing my best to avoid it, im taking next friday-tuesday off, but today she acts like its some fucking surprise im working
14:18 < aestetix> Synx|hm: get her an aneros
14:18 < Synx|hm> and when she asked what time i get off i said 3, then corrected to 4, so she tells me "fine then im putting in reservations at x resturant for x time" so i say well dont expect me to be done till 430, "OH ITS 430 NOW, 3 then 4 then 430!?!" w...t...f... im so sorry im ruining your day by collecting a pay check so we can live a fucking life
14:19 <@Dickie> Been there
14:19  * Dickie extends his bro-feels
14:19 <@Dickie> Non-issue for me now
14:19 <@Dickie> It was being on call, though
14:19 < Synx|hm> ha ya im just pissy because i got little sleep was up for 24 hours yesterday and im back at work right now
14:19 < Synx|hm> and she is pushing all my fucking buttons
14:20 < Synx|hm> how about i quit then when we become homeless ill see what she has to say
14:20 < Synx|hm> ill get to say "Oh you have to go sell that paper today!?! you do that every day, when will you take off work!?!?!"
14:20 < Synx|hm> oh how the tables will turn
14:22 < Synx|hm> its also not helping that i am on a customer conf call with a cowoker who is a fucking idiot right now, guy does not know how to use mute and keep his internal company thoughts to himself
14:22 < Synx|hm> coworker - "mumbles oh fuck, ya i fucked that up, oh shit thats the wrong setting, oh damn, opps, shit"
14:22 < Synx|hm> customer - "is something wrong?"
14:23 <@Dickie> Get her a flower and lick her butt
14:23 <@Dickie> Works eeeeevery time
14:23 < Synx|hm> ha thanks
14:23 <@Dickie> I remember one time brimstone was mad at me.
14:23 <@Dickie> What flower was it I got you?
14:23 < aestetix> Synx|hm: bonus points if he's eating something with the mic on
14:23 <@Shadow404> u can do both at the same time
14:24 <@Shadow404> http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=31111
14:24 <@Dickie> Mute the conf call and get your bang on
14:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Icicles No 48 Glass Butt Plug with Flower Base | Glass Butt Plugs | Lovehoney (at www.lovehoney.co.uk)
14:24 <@Dickie> I WANT TO DO THAT NOW
14:24 < Synx|hm> my luck id unmute mid blow out
14:25 <@Dickie> "I'm just so excited about this contract!"
14:25 < Synx|hm> ha
14:25 < aestetix> Synx|hm: you should unmute, fart loudly, then blame your coworker
14:25 < Synx|hm> Shadow404: did you have that link in your rolaxex or google that
14:26 < Synx|hm> aestetix: unfortunantly you can see who is speaking, but i have accidentaly farted very agressivly while not on mute
14:27 < Synx|hm> what really pisses me off about this guy is because he has no internal filter im going to end up on this call 2 hours longer because the customer is going to demand more time due to this guy making himself look incompetent
14:27 < Synx|hm> i've already talked to my manager about this guy
14:28 < aestetix> have your wife talk to him
14:28 < Synx|hm> lol, thats a great idea!
14:28 < aestetix> maybe send him that link Shadow404 shared in here
14:28 <@Bahhumbug> Or just push him down a flight of stairs.
14:29 < aestetix> Or "gift" him some butt plugs to be delivered to his office
14:29 < Synx|hm> s/rolaxex/rolodex holy crap
14:30 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: google
14:33 < Synx|hm> oh fucking sweet now the guy is saying aloud every command he is typing
14:33 < Synx|hm> sound it out mother fucker, you are making yourself look like an idiot
14:35 < Synx|hm> this will make it all better
14:35 < Synx|hm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VkGctpu214
14:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cat Jump Fail: Sail by AWOLNATION - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:35 < Synx|hm> ive seen that a number of times but ZOMG the sync to that song is amazing
14:45 <@Dagmar> I was hoping it would be the entire song
15:10 < aestetix> hmm
15:11 < aestetix> is johnnyx a pope serving the god Testiculus?
15:14 < Synx|hm> on my... very NSFW if you click the dick pics (dont click the pictures if you dont want full dong pics) http://web.archive.org/web/20100417114318/http://pugwash.100free.com/patrickbait1.htm
15:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Patricia & Patrick - The Great Penis Caper (at web.archive.org)
15:14 < Synx|hm> its a 419 scam bate where they get the guy to take dick pics and if i read correctly get a new circ done ZOMG
15:16 < aestetix> hmmm
15:16 < aestetix> do ipads lose sensitivity over time?
15:34 <@Evilpig> ls
15:34 <@Evilpig> damnit
15:35 < aestetix> lols
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16:14 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.angryduck.com/pics/brave_new_world.htm
16:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: brave new world (at www.angryduck.com)
16:31 <@rhia> Bahhumbug, but, but, it's not gluten free!
16:42 < RangerZ> rhia: it has bigger issues than that
16:43 < RangerZ> aestetix: capacitive screens should not lose sensitivity, but it is possible a case you are using, or dirt on your hands could interfere with its operation
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16:53 < aestetix> so
16:53 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should watch Borgen
16:53 < aestetix> if you haven't already
16:53 < RangerZ> ?
16:53 < aestetix> It's sort of a Danish version of West Wing
16:53 < aestetix> but way darker and more cynical.
16:54 < RangerZ> about fucking time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkNGStMq-M
16:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Final Fantasy VII PS4 Trailer - PlayStation Experience - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:54 < RangerZ> but doesn't look to be real re-make.. :/
16:54 < RangerZ> is it in english? or subtitled?
16:54 <@Dagmar> So... orgiami pedophilia, then?
16:55 < aestetix> in danish, subtitled
16:57 < RangerZ> Dagmar: 12hrs sleep.... [X] Completed
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16:59 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKeJtRwUNEE I like the setup there... only two options...
16:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ferguson Prosecutor Bob McCulloch: Corrupt or Incompetent? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:00 <@Dagmar> There really *are* only two options
17:01 <@Dagmar> But somehow, we don't hold people accountable when they make incredibly and *demonstratably* incorrect statements in the court pertaining to the thing they're supposed to be an expert on
17:02 < RangerZ> https://www.change.org/p/target-withdraw-the-holy-bible-this-sickening-book-encourages-readers-to-commit-sexual-violence-and-kill-women 42,921 supporters
17:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Petition · Withdraw The Holy Bible – this sickening book encourages readers to commit sexual violence and kill women · Change.org (at www.change.org)
17:02 < RangerZ> at Target AU
17:03 <@Dagmar> It's safe to say at this point, the people of Ferguson should start shooting the cops
17:04 <@Dagmar> The next cop that shoots a civilian, shoudn't see the sun rise again
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> You've got to be fucking kidding me?
17:05 <@Dagmar> No.  I am not.
17:06 <@Bahhumbug> Then you're an idiot.
17:06 <@Dagmar> No, I'm someone who doesn't believe in totalitarianism.
17:06 < RangerZ> yeah, but that won't actually fucking help anything
17:06 <@Bahhumbug> It'll help unbunch his panties.
17:06 <@Bahhumbug> Maybe.
17:06 < RangerZ> it'll just give the cops 'legitimacy' in their actions
17:07 <@Dagmar> If the people can't get justice through the system, then it's time to tear it down and build a new one
17:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Except I'm pretty sure there's a lot more honest citizens than there are dishonest cops
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> Don't like the system?  Don't live in it.
17:07 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: That's not the way America works.
17:07 < RangerZ> that way they can just start shooting people who look 'shady' when they drive around at night in parks, stopping their cars in random places,... plotting terrorist attack locations...
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> neither is fucking shooting cops.
17:08 <@Dagmar> They're not cops when they execute people on the street.
17:08 <@Dagmar> THey're murderers.
17:08 <@Dagmar> They're only cops if they are actually doing their jobs.
17:08 < RangerZ> They are Judge Dredds
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> They shot a fucking criminal.
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, not a fuck given.
17:08 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: the 'criminal' who didn't steal anything from the convenience store?
17:08 <@Dagmar> So, then you believe the death penalty should be applied to every crime, and there's no longer a need for a judge ang jury?
17:09 < RangerZ> there is video of him SHOVING the product back into the store clerks hands
17:09 < RangerZ> perhaps he was rude, or was GOING to steal the cigarettes, but he didn't steal anything
17:10 <@Bahhumbug> You liberal twinks can sit her and argue this all you want.  The guy was a criminal.  The guy attacked a cop.  The guy's dead.  Good riddance.  I am more concerned with the bullshit grand jury than I am that a douchebag is off the street.
17:10 <@Dagmar> So, then you believe the death penalty should be applied to every crime, and there's no longer a need for a judge ang jury?
17:10 <@Dagmar> Amazing how you clam up when shown the gap in your own logic.
17:10 < RangerZ> so if a cop starts pointing at gun at you illegally, do you have the right to self defense? or no?
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> You don't want me to say anything because if I do it sure as shit won't be about the dead and rotting douchebag.
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> I don't do anything to get a cop to point a gun at me.  Perhaps other people should try that?
17:11 <@Bahhumbug> Just a thought.
17:11 <@Dagmar> I don't give a damn about the kid.  I care about the fact that cops are being allowed to execute citizens on a regular basis.
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> Uh-huh.
17:12 <@Dagmar> That cops are being allowed to throw an entire city into martial law rules at will, without actually formally declaring martial law.
17:12 < Synx|hm> im an idiot... i built out this WAN -> Router NAT ---VPN TUNNLE---> Router NAT -> torrent client setup never realizing i double nat'd
17:12 <@Bahhumbug> "cops" don't have the legal authority to declare martial law.
17:12 <@Dagmar> ...and that there are exactly *zero* functional checks on the power of the police in large parts of the country.
17:12 < RangerZ> honestly I don't really give a shit about michael brown, I think cops' reaction to the protesters and NEWS afterwards is a MUCH bigger deal to me... but we do need to decide what level of response we want to let cops use for certain actions
17:13 < Synx|hm> i can connect out fine but if someone wants to reach into me i get the internal IP of my VPN WAN router so im assume that means only one person can connect to me at a time
17:13 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: ...and yet the enforced undeclared curfews, arrested the press, and teargassed people blocks away from where anything was going on.
17:13 < Synx|hm> doh
17:13 < RangerZ> and I am in NO WAY saying the SHOT fired at michael brown at POINT BLANK range is illegal, I'm claiming the shots fired at him at 143 feet away, are
17:14 < RangerZ> And i'm not alone in saying that shots fired at a fleeing subject are illegal, SCOTUS has said that too.
17:14 < RangerZ> BUT... the prosecutors gave the Grand Jury the 1970s law... that said it was legal...
17:15 <@Dagmar> ...which is rather demonstratably lying under oath.
17:15 < RangerZ> THEN at the very end of the grand jury said that the paper they gave them had "some errors in it' , but didn't tell them WHAT THE ERRORS WERE... and that they should use this new 'case law version of the law'
17:15 < RangerZ> so as to legally CYA
17:15 <@Bahhumbug> It's prosecutorial misconduct; it has dick all to do with "under oath".
17:16 <@Bahhumbug> But yeah, that POS should be charged.
17:16 <@Dagmar> Either way, the only problem I see with the arson was that they burned the wrong buildings.
17:16 <@Bahhumbug> "the only problem with arson"?  You mean, other than the fact that it's FUCKING ILLEGAL and puts people in harm's way?
17:17 <@Dagmar> So are cops that have carte blanche to shoot anyone and do anything
17:17 <@Bahhumbug> Be sure and conflate some more.  I'm quite sure you could succeed if you try hard enough.
17:17 <@Dagmar> Feel free to hide behind pedantry all you like.
17:17 <@Bahhumbug> Feel free to be an idiot all you want.
17:17 <@Dagmar> The system in Ferguson is broken.
17:18 <@Dagmar> No one _in power_ is doing anything to fix it.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> Tell you what... if you ever need a cop, don't fucking call them.  You have such complete and utter disdain you should be fine without their assistance.
17:18 <@Dagmar> I generally do fine without cops.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> Until you need one.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> And I pray you do.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> And they don't come.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> Because they get wind of your bullshit.
17:18 <@Dagmar> Then I'll eliminate my problems.
17:18 <@Bahhumbug> Sure you will.
17:19 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Have you ever read Rise of the Warrior Cop?
17:19 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Nope, but I've heard of it
17:19 < _NSAKEY> It's out in paperback now, and well worth the read.
17:19 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: The last time I "needed" a cop, a great deal of my problems _were_ the cops.
17:19 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps you should reflect on that some.
17:19 <@Dagmar> I'm quite used to the idea of covering my own ass, shithead
17:20 <@Dagmar> I reflected on it for seven years.
17:20 <@Dagmar> ...and then I did some research and found out karma got the fucker.
17:21 <@Dagmar> ...which, in retrospect, doesn't even suprise me a little bit.
17:21 <@Dagmar> The cops in Nashville have gotten a *lot* cleaner since then
17:25 < _NSAKEY> To be fair, Nashville cops didn't really work for a living until just before Serpas came to town.
17:25 <@klixa> damn, such hate up in here
17:25 < _NSAKEY> At least not around Dickerson Rd.
17:25 < _NSAKEY> With that gasoline added to the fire, I'm out.
17:25 <@Dagmar> Serpas, dipshit though he was, at least had a hand in chasing off the dickbags that were the core of my problem
17:26 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, the core of your problem.
17:26 <@Dagmar> Yes.  _Corrupt cops_.  Working hand in hand with fucking _gangsters_.
17:26 <@Dagmar> Corrupt cops who _sat_ on a 911 call made during fucking shift change.
17:26 <@klixa> "<@Bahhumbug>	I don't do anything to get a cop to point a gun at me.  Perhaps other people should try that?" yeah, i doubt this person was doing anything to deserv death http://abcnews.go.com/Health/syndrome-man-movies-ends-morgue/story?id=20046376
17:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Down Syndrome Man Goes to Movies, Ends up in Morgue - ABC News (at abcnews.go.com)
17:27 <@Dagmar> Corrupt cops who sent fuckers to try and kill me, _twice_
17:27 <@Dagmar> ...or are you going to try and argue the fuckers who snatched me up in a van just wanted a little "chat".
17:27 <@Bahhumbug> You should write a book.  Maybe someone will turn it into a movie.
17:28 <@Dagmar> You should shut your hole if your words are going to remain this meaningless.
17:28 <@klixa> this man was ust holding a wtaer hose on his friends porch http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/04/local/la-me-ln-water-nozzle-shooting-20130404
17:28 <@klixa> some 90 year old man was killed at a nursing hime for not taking his meds
17:30 <@klixa> there are all kinds of reports of cops killing unarmed people or beating the fuck out of people in handcuffs and already restrained and no threat
17:30 <@klixa> and they are getting away with it
17:31 <@Bahhumbug> I never once said there wasn't a problem.  All I did was call out Mr Drama Queen for his justifying shooting of cops.
17:31 <@Dagmar> You could try a new tactic... growing a pair of balls.
17:31 <@klixa> shooting FOR cops?
17:32 <@Bahhumbug> You could unbunch your panties, too.
17:32 <@klixa> im not sure what you mean by that
17:32 <@Dagmar> Every time you get shown what a shitshow your logic is, you backpedal into snide accusations.
17:32 <@klixa> oh of cops
17:32 <@Bahhumbug> Man, you gots a real big mouth for someone that doesn't do much to back it up.
17:32 <@klixa> yeah, i woudlnt advocate shooting cops
17:33 <@klixa>  misse dthat part of the convo
17:33 <@Dagmar> If it'll keep them from killing people on a whim, I doubt it would take more than a few
17:33 <@klixa> i think thats kinda the mentality of the cops, shooting people to keep them form killing on a whim
17:33 <@Dagmar> Except Ferguson is _not_ some warzone ghetto
17:34 <@Dagmar> It's about on the same footing as bloody Gallatin
17:34 <@klixa> what i dont get is why they are getting away with it... jurors, judges, etc are all letting OBVIOUSLY guilty cops committ murder
17:34 <@Dagmar> It's freaking suburbs and strip malls
17:34 <@klixa> its all black, that makes it a ghetto, if you use the true meanin gof the word ghetto
17:35 <@Dagmar> klixa: Because they kept those people in court for days and days listening to (partially fictional) explanations of why what the officer did was tewtelly legal.
17:36 <@klixa> i think they threaten to kill them too if they dont vote innocent :|
17:36 <@klixa> then we have the psychopath zimmerman....
17:36 <@klixa> went from 0-to dead kid in 60 seconds
17:37 <@klixa> all the pro zimmerman people have disapeared ever since zimmerman has been theratenign more people and getting arrested
17:37 <@klixa> he was arrested in ferguson last week for pulling a gun on 2 blakc teens
17:37 <@klixa> http://nationalreport.net/george-zimmerman-arrested-visiting-ferguson/
17:37 <@Bahhumbug> Quick research shows that it's a low-income community with the crime that goes with it: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mo/ferguson/crime/
17:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ferguson MO crime rates and statistics - NeighborhoodScout (at www.neighborhoodscout.com)
17:37 <@Bahhumbug> It's not really the nice place you paint it as.
17:38 <@Dagmar> So's Gallatin
17:38 <@klixa> that would happen in gallatin too
17:38 <@Dagmar> It's not a great place, but there's no need for the cops to be gunning people down "proactively"
17:38 <@klixa> theres no need for them to do that anywhere
17:39 <@klixa> what really matters is that it takes people getting crazy to get results... that officer was *persuaded* to resign as a result of it all
17:54 < RangerZ> because he wouldn't have been a useful officer
17:54 < RangerZ> b/c no one would have shown him respect
17:55 < RangerZ> other than "i stand with wilson" armband wearers
18:07 <@Dagmar> Who the fuck is Mooninaut?  (might be someone from in here)
18:09 < Synx|hm> well that went well, just got off work and wife just waltzed out of the house with my kid to "go out"
18:13 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: [X] Slept 13hrs
18:13 < RangerZ> i mean....
18:14 < RangerZ> lol... yeah... caught back up
18:17 < Synx|hm> what?
18:18 < RangerZ> sorry...
18:18 < RangerZ> RangerZ [X] SLeep 13 hrs
18:19 < RangerZ> Achievement Unlocked : Caught back up on sleep
18:20 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: was meth involved?
18:28 < Synx|hm> what?oh
18:29 < Synx|hm> rando question, when you are not doing NAT, should a gateway element still respond to a ICMP trace route?
18:35 <@Dagmar> There's no reason it shoudln't
18:35 < Synx|hm> ya im doing something funky in routing i cant quite figure out
18:36 < Synx|hm> i think ive got pfsense passivly passing gateway traffic to another gateway
18:36 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: you can block it, some people do
18:36 <@Dagmar> You already admitted you're doing double-NAt.
18:36 <@Dagmar> You're basically screwed
18:36 < Synx|hm> no i in theory just turned that off
18:36 < Synx|hm> and in actuality i may not have been doing it before its hard to tell
18:37 < Synx|hm> i think pfsense has been passing my traffic along to another gateway without NATing it anyways
18:37 <@Dagmar> Well, sort your routing table and then do some pen & paper routing
18:37 < Synx|hm> about to tcp dump on the end VPN WAN server
18:37 < Synx|hm> yup doing that now infact ha
18:38 < Synx|hm> ive kidna got a wonky vpn site to site setup
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18:40 < Synx|hm> oh this is fucking strange
18:40 < Synx|hm> my remote VPN server has my local vlan (that does not have VPN routing access) in its routing table
18:40 < Synx|hm> twf
18:41 < Synx|hm> wtf
18:41 < Synx|hm> ahhh hahaha
18:41 < Synx|hm> im a fucking dumbass
18:41 < Synx|hm> my ssh connection didn't connect
18:41 < Synx|hm> i just printed my local routing table
18:41 <@Evilpig> sounds like the shit I used to have setup with notlarry
18:42 <@Dagmar> heh
18:50 < Synx|hm> i really need to ditch openvpn-as and just install pfsense on my remote VPN server as well
18:50 < Synx|hm> would make p2p link so much easier to control
18:50 < Synx|hm> actually should i just do that now?
18:52 < Synx|hm> man i really should, then i could use the same LDAP server on both sites and roadwarrior vpn into either with secure two factor
19:04 < Synx|hm> ok im not double nating
19:13 < Synx|hm> so ping -I DOES NOT WORK
19:13 < RangerZ> and?
19:13 < RangerZ> you don't REALLY need ping
19:13 < Synx|hm> or i should say it does not auto associate the IP address of the interface youve selected
19:13 < RangerZ> lol
19:13 < Synx|hm> no but ive been relying on that fucking switch for a while to troubleshoot and it does not work at all
19:14 < Synx|hm> traceroute on the other had has -i for interface and -s for source IP so cool that will be my new goto
19:15 < RangerZ> so apparently... Target doesn't even SELL the Bible
19:17 <@klixa_> lies http://www.target.com/c/religion-books-entertainment/bible/-/N-5xfmdZ5uv5a
19:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bible : religion : Target (at www.target.com)
19:17 < RangerZ> target AU
19:17 < RangerZ> not target.com
19:17 < RangerZ> target AU isn't part of "target"
19:17 < RangerZ> just a company using the same name in that region
19:17 < RangerZ> which.... is odd... but whatever
19:17 <@klixa_> oh
19:18 <@klixa_> wtf is target au?
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19:19 < RangerZ> target Australia
19:19 <@klixa> lol @ http://www.target.com.au/p/rechargeable-ghetto-blaster-portable-boombox-gb-5/55850353
19:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Rechargeable Ghetto Blaster Portable Boombox GB-5000 - Pink | Target Australia (at www.target.com.au)
19:19 <@klixa> RangerZ: why are you shopping target australia
19:19 <@klixa> you live in the us
19:19 < RangerZ> I'm not, its just that they were stupid and stopped selling GTA5 because of a stupid petition online
19:19 < RangerZ> so I looked into it
19:20 <@klixa> i guess a lot of people didnt wnat their children to become autistic, single men who use irc way too much
19:21 < Synx|hm> hey how can i show the dymanic routing tabel in linux
19:21 <@klixa> http://linux.die.net/man/8/route
19:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: route(8): show/change IP routing table - Linux man page (at linux.die.net)
19:22 < Synx|hm> nm it might be a dumb question based upon the implied
19:23 <@klixa> appraelty its been replaced by http://linux.die.net/man/8/ip  i havent used linux in forevvvvver
19:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: ip(8) - Linux man page (at linux.die.net)
19:23 < Synx|hm> ya ip route show
19:25 < Synx|hm> my mind has just been blown on ip routing
19:25 < Synx|hm> perhaps its time to call it a day
19:28 <@Evilpig> woooo!  lost girl starts back tomorrow
19:34 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2pl9pZ5dNc this aught to be good
19:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Grim Fandango Remastered - PlayStation Experience Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:17 < Synx|hm> how "should" inboud NAT port forward work
20:18 < Synx|hm> ex: 68.65.45.12 --- 61.67.25.4()192.168.1.1 -- 192.168.1.100
20:18 < Synx|hm> if 68.65.42.15 initiates inbound connection that gets forwarded to 192.168.1.100 because of port forward
20:18 < Synx|hm> what IP does 192.168.1.100 see?
20:24 < RangerZ> what do you mean?
20:24 < RangerZ> as its 'gateway' ?
20:24 < RangerZ> 192.168.1.1 (likely)
20:25 < Synx|hm> when the socket makes it to 192.168.1.100 does it see .1 or the WAN address?
20:25 < RangerZ> but the packet's IP is the global IP of the sender
20:25 < Synx|hm> err packet
20:25 < RangerZ> you're conflating a few things I think
20:25 < Synx|hm> probably, here is what i am after...
20:25 < RangerZ> the PACKET doesn't see anything
20:26 < RangerZ> the packet has a TCP header and an IP header in each respective frame
20:26 < Synx|hm> i send a UDP packet from 68.whatever to 61.myisp when is then port forwarded by my router/firewall to my internal 192.address
20:26 < RangerZ> the IP Header never changes
20:26 < Synx|hm> oh i see
20:26 < RangerZ> the TCP changes on each network
20:26 < Synx|hm> wait
20:27 < Synx|hm> TCP doesn't know of IP address so its not important
20:27 < RangerZ> correct
20:27 < Synx|hm> so you are telling me the IP header durning the NAT'd portforward should retain its external IP addr?
20:27 < RangerZ> routers do that magic trasnlation
20:28 < RangerZ> let me look at EXACT implementation
20:28 < Synx|hm> right but the internal box should get the packet from the external address correct?
20:28 < RangerZ> but i see no reason WHY it HAS to change the IP
20:28 < RangerZ> as long as it gets the packet
20:29 < Synx|hm> only reason i ask is because i have a situation where the incoming packet is getting the addr of the router/gateway and not of the external WAN addr
20:29 < RangerZ> When the packets pass through the NAT gateway they will be modified so that they appear to be coming from the NAT gateway itself. The NAT gateway will record the changes it makes in its state table so that it can a) reverse the changes on return packets and b) ensure that return packets are passed through the firewall and are not blocked.
20:29 < RangerZ> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/nat.html
20:29 < Synx|hm> there you go, ok thats what i wanted to confirm
20:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: PF: Network Address Translation (NAT) (at www.openbsd.org)
20:29 < Synx|hm> thanks!
20:29 < RangerZ> so apparently they DO do the changes, so as to 'trick' the host
20:30 < RangerZ> much easier on the host
20:30 < RangerZ> makes NAT harder
20:30 < Synx|hm> i guess because the host would get totally confused
20:30 < RangerZ> not really
20:30 < RangerZ> but it would KNOW its behind NAT
20:30 < Synx|hm> true
20:30 < Synx|hm> i guess if from the start it got packets from external address it wouldn't give two shits, and would never know
20:31 < Synx|hm> and either way it hits the gateway unless...
20:31 < Synx|hm> there are some other route options
20:31 < Synx|hm> perhaps thats why NAT works that way, because the internal host could have other routing options
20:32 < RangerZ> apparently NAT was a 'security' feature first before a 'lets save IP addresses' feature
20:32 < Synx|hm> makes sense
20:32 < Synx|hm> kind of
20:32 < RangerZ> my undergrad univ. bought a D range, then the next year bought a C range, b/c a B range seemed 'Wasteful"
20:33 < RangerZ> not because they couldn't
20:33 < Synx|hm> ha
20:33 < Synx|hm> whats your masters in?
20:33 < RangerZ> CS
20:33 < Synx|hm> cool, id really like to get a MS but i took one single pre-req calc class and it had been so long it blew my fucking mind
20:33 < Synx|hm> i passed but have not ventured back since
20:33 < Synx|hm> i was hoping for MS EE
20:34 < RangerZ> CS doesn't use much calc
20:34 < RangerZ> EE does
20:34 < Synx|hm> can i MS in something else with a BS in EET?
20:34 < RangerZ> I literally took calc 1 and 2 and then ever touched calc again
20:34 < RangerZ> you 'can'
20:34 < Synx|hm> CS makes the most sense for what i do, but i really do enjoy EE though ill never use it
20:34 < RangerZ> as long as you get 'accepted'
20:34 < Synx|hm> ha
20:34 < Synx|hm> right
20:35 < RangerZ> my advisor has his masters/phd in CS
20:35 < Synx|hm> too bad i gave away all my gibill to my kiddo
20:35 < RangerZ> BS in archeology
20:35 < Synx|hm> wow
20:35 < Synx|hm> i guess so long as you take the required pre-req classes you can really do anything
20:35 < RangerZ> took 8 years for masters/phd
20:35 < RangerZ> to 'catch up' on basic classes
20:35 < Synx|hm> wow
20:36 < Synx|hm> you working on phd?
20:36 < RangerZ> but 5~7 is normal length for PhD
20:36 < RangerZ> yeah
20:36 < Synx|hm> in CS?
20:36 < RangerZ> 5.5yr on undergrad , in 4th year of PhD
20:36 < RangerZ> probably 2~3 years left
20:36 < RangerZ> FML
20:36 < Synx|hm> wow, is that full time or with a normal job that is unrelated to PhD research?
20:37 < RangerZ> undergrad I went full time, but 12hrs/sem. instead of 16
20:37 < RangerZ> and I'm not _allowed_ to have another job with my Graduate Research Assistant position
20:37 < RangerZ> because I should be focusing on studying/research
20:38 < aestetix> This new Toad game is cool.
20:38 < aestetix> Been watching videos of it.
20:38 < Synx|hm> ? so you get paid to do PhD studies?
20:38 < RangerZ> yeah
20:38 < Synx|hm> is it compd to a normal IT salary?
20:38 < RangerZ> no
20:38 < RangerZ> ~25k for a grad student
20:38 < Synx|hm> yikes
20:38 < RangerZ> at Vandy
20:38 < aestetix> RangerZ: whats your PhD in?
20:38 < RangerZ> ~8~10k at most schools
20:39 < RangerZ> CS
20:39 < aestetix> I mean whats your thesis
20:39 < aestetix> I assume you have some kind of a goal
20:39 < RangerZ> leaning towards "Learning at Scale of Distributed Systems"
20:39 < Synx|hm> i dont get it, how do they expect you to survive on that? does your spouse make up the rest?
20:39 < RangerZ> tie in the MOOC work and Distributed Systems and mobile work I've done
20:39 < RangerZ> i live alone
20:40 < Synx|hm> ahh
20:40 < RangerZ> rent is 732/mo
20:40 < aestetix> Synx|hm: s/spouse/hand/
20:40 < Synx|hm> any other PhD folks with familes there?
20:40 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: you living in the city?
20:40 < RangerZ> for 1000sq.ft. 2 bedroom, 1 & 2x 1/2 bath,
20:40 < RangerZ> yeah, right on edge, so 15~20min drive in
20:41 < Synx|hm> cool whe should get toghter some time
20:41 < Synx|hm> im in Antioch
20:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: how hard is it to do a phd without a bachelors
20:41 < RangerZ> my condolences
20:41 < RangerZ> you won't get accepted
20:41 < Synx|hm> not sure for how long though because my wife may either a. leave me b. demand we move to Dallas
20:41 < RangerZ> literally ANY BS would work
20:41 < Synx|hm> ha its Antioch/Cane Ridge
20:42 < aestetix> RangerZ: actually a friend of mine was in a phd program and didn't have a BS
20:42 < aestetix> althoug he was a special case
20:42 < RangerZ> all you need is 700 out of 800 on math, and 500 out of 800 on reading on GRE (old scale)
20:42 < RangerZ> really the ONLY thing you need.... is a faculty member who knows and wants you
20:42 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: oh GRE ya i duno about that i dont test well, im kinda a strange case
20:44 < RangerZ> its pretty fucking shitty test
20:44 < RangerZ> i test REALLY WELL, and it was still a PITA
20:45 < Synx|hm> i have learned to test well if there is a MQF but other than that nope no sir
20:45 < RangerZ> but basically it is NOT a test of your math or language skills
20:45 < RangerZ> it is a TEST of your test taking/prep skills
20:45 < Synx|hm> test me an im a functional mental handicap
20:45 < aestetix> maybe I can get a PhD in testicology
20:45 < Synx|hm> ha
20:48 < aestetix> I hate taking tests that test how well you take tests
20:49 < Synx|hm> ha well i can ace test that have MQFs now, even if the question bank is in the 500+
20:49 < Synx|hm> other than that im basically fucked
21:21 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuI8S_WKHLU I'd go to that fucking school
21:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cop In Trouble For NOT Tazing Suicidal Student - WHAT? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:21 < RangerZ> and make myself KNOWN as to how stupid this shit is
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21:33 < RangerZ> so Gangum Style view count hit.... MAX_INT + 1
21:33 < RangerZ> and broke....
21:34 <@Evilpig> that's what I heard on the radio
21:37 < RangerZ> 2^32/2+1 to be precise
21:37 < RangerZ> but yeah
21:37 < RangerZ> lol
21:40 <@CRasH180> Gangum Style is too big to be stopped
21:40 <@CRasH180> by that math, anyways
21:44 <@Bahhumbug> Idiotic schema design; signed ints for a view count make little sense.
21:47 <@CRasH180> perhaps old code that no one ever updated
21:47 <@CRasH180> pure speculation
21:47 <@Bahhumbug> Possible.
21:48 <@Bahhumbug> To be fair that's a _sizeable_ number of views.
22:04 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Because they decided that 32-bit ints were good enough for everyone.
22:05 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah... slackers
22:05 < RangerZ> should always use longlong for that kind of thing
22:06 < RangerZ> 2^128/2 = MAX_LONG_LONG
22:06 <@Bahhumbug> 31-bit, signed int.
22:06 < RangerZ> java longs, not c++ ansi longs
22:08 < RangerZ> oddball: wilpig watch out , Wii Us are bricking, 'might' be Smash's most recent update
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not in any way familiar with those things... but how can a game update brick it?
22:14 < RangerZ> think your motherboard manf. making a shitty bios update
22:14 < RangerZ> that won't boot
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> Are the games integral to the controller?
22:19 < RangerZ> who knows....
22:19 < RangerZ> even blu-ray players have stealth updates that they apply when you watch a movie
22:20 < RangerZ> adding to global blacklist of crypto keys to block
22:20 < RangerZ> could be games have the same thing
22:20 < RangerZ> but games seem to be 'more' transparent about system updates
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23:08 <@Bahhumbug> Interesting.  I wasn't aware of that.
23:15 < _NSAKEY> Speaking of games, did you guys see this? http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/01/gameboy-emulator-patent-filed-by-nintendo
23:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gameboy Emulator Patent Filed by Nintendo - IGN (at www.ign.com)
23:16 < _NSAKEY> It puts this ancient thread under a different light: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=4412
23:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: nesdev.com View topic - I just dumped my Wii's flash memory (at forums.nesdev.com)
23:23 <@CRasH180> I saw tat
23:23 <@CRasH180> s/tat/that
23:27 < RangerZ> anyone know of a cheap place to get decent desktops? my little cousin just moved into an apartment... and she is 100% computer-less.... gotta fix this crime against humanity, lol
23:30 < RangerZ> also... fuck this megan fox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcisrOUS8Fc
23:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nosey Mom Spots Porn At Public Library, Flips Out - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:42 < RangerZ> Mirror's Edge for PS3, Need for Speed Most Wanted for Vita, and Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare for PS4 are free today
23:42 < RangerZ> no clue for how long
23:48 <@CRasH180> good night all
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