--- Log opened Fri Dec 05 00:00:05 2014
00:04 <@northrup> This FlexGet looks pretty slick, thanks Synx|hm
00:08  * Bahhumbug raises an eyebrow
00:09 <@northrup> wait... damn it... that was Bahhumbug
00:11 < aestetix_> man
00:11 < aestetix_> my friend just found out she failed the bar exam
00:11 <@Bahhumbug> Sucks to be her.
00:12 < aestetix_> well
00:12 < aestetix_> the failure rate is really high
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> Good.  Too man soul-sucking lawyers as it is, we don't need more.
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> Tell your friend to go into a more reputable line of work.
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps as a grave digger.
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00:41 < aestetix_> man
00:41 < aestetix_> this freebsdgirl drama is annoying
00:41 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/freebsdgirl/status/540706280017367040
00:51 <@Bahhumbug> More twitter bullshit I see.
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04:45 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/a/KsiRM
04:47 < aestetix_> http://anonormale.in/scrotum_warmer.php
05:09 < Synx|hm> so tired
06:18 <@Dagmar> Somsone should tell the bitch to contact the police and stop being a goddamn drama whore
06:19 <@Dagmar> Dude is almost certainly in violation of cycberstalking laws, and she's not doing anything useful by feeding the damn trolls like that
06:20 <@Dagmar> Providing the police with the evidence against yourself is goddamn stupid
06:24 < Synx|hm> ho-lee-shit
06:24 < Synx|hm> so im a huge fan of ex officio boxers
06:24 < Synx|hm> buy them every time they go on sale at REI or amazon
06:24 < Synx|hm> one of the reviews...
06:24 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: ...and if you don't stop posting shock pictures in here, I'm going to ban your ass for a month.
06:24 < Synx|hm> "Clippings of God's beard spun into dick armor."
06:24 < Synx|hm> yup that about sums it up
06:31 <@Bahhumbug> Why do you bother?  He won't fucking listen.  This has been hashed and rehashed over and over.  This is like arguing with a child - once you start you've already lost.
06:32 <@Dagmar> Because I believe in giving fair warning
06:32 <@Bahhumbug> @channel ban add #se2600 *!*@173.203.* 2592000
06:32 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
06:32 <@Bahhumbug> It's been given.  Over.  And Over.  He's been asked.  He's been told.  He just sits back and fucking laughs because he thinks it's a joke.
06:33 <@Bahhumbug> I know 5 year olds that are more mature than he is.
06:45 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't go that far
06:45 <@Dagmar> In a different vien, I don't get why people listen to these jackholes complaining that the GTA games promote violence against X
06:45 <@Dagmar> ...where when X is women, people decide it's worse than Hitler
06:46 <@Dagmar> Particularly when it comes to GTA V I find this simply insane.
06:46 <@Dagmar> GTA V had a rather strong message _against_ some rather pervasive types of violence in it
06:47 <@Bahhumbug> The 5 year olds I know are told something once or twice and then abide by that.  I consider that far more mature than the rampant bullshit out of aestetix_ day fucking in and day fucking out ad nauseum.
06:47 <@Dagmar> For one, they made it clear that torture was *not* okay, was not a productive intelligence-gathering tactic, and is only the domain of sick fucks like Trevor.
06:48 <@Dagmar> ...and there's no more emphasis on violence against women than there is against men.
06:48  * Bahhumbug shrugs
06:48 <@Dagmar> I didn't even see any damn hookers in this one, so I suspect the kerfluffle is jackholes recycling indignation against earlier versions of hte game.
06:48 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sick of the whole fucking thing.
06:49 <@Bahhumbug> Everyone needs something to bitch about and if it gets their name in print so much the better.
06:49 <@Dagmar> I guess, but at the end of the day, I prefer to _have substance_
06:52 <@Dagmar> http://m.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
06:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: WATCH LIVE NOW: NASA Discusses Scrub of 1st Orion Spaceship Launch Attempt (at m.space.com)
06:52 <@Dagmar> Reminder: We're about to launch some shit
06:53 <@Dagmar> TWelve minutes or something
07:09 <@Dagmar> Looks like we managed to launch it
07:31 < Synx|hm> i hate my job
07:32 < Synx|hm> got up at 4am to work with Uk customer, now they expect me to work all day, then starting at 10pm work for 4 hours, then get up for 10am tomorrow and work 4 hours, then again tomorrow night at 10pm for 4 hours
07:32 < Synx|hm> wtf is wrong with these people
07:36 <@Bahhumbug> "No."
07:37 <@Bahhumbug> It's a simple word.
07:42 < Synx|hm> to boot im about to lose 40 hours of paid time off because ive been unable to take any or the time off that i have taken i had to work so i made the HR mgr put it back into the system
07:47 <@Dagmar> I'm with BahHumbug on this
07:47 <@Dagmar> It's not reasonable to schedule someone to work that many hours with that little time in between
07:47 < Synx|hm> ya im going to put in for time off next week as payment for these odd hours and weekend work
07:48 < Synx|hm> and not actually use my 40 hours i have to burn
07:48 < Synx|hm> then ill put in for actual time off week of xmas and few odds and ends including taking timeoff when im working nights
07:48 < Synx|hm> fuck these people
08:26 <@Bahhumbug> I am quite certain that scheduling your work hours in such a manner as to make it unable for you to take PTO is a big federal fucking no-no.
08:27 <@Dagmar> Yep
08:30 < Synx|hm> so we have a UK branch, i just happend to ask the guy if their EU labor laws require OT for over 40 hour weeks (this gent happened to be on a 60 hour week at the end of Wed!!!)
08:30 < Synx|hm> he said yes, and that my company still doesn't pay him for it
08:32 <@Bahhumbug> Then the UK labor department should be having a long talk with your company about how much money they're going to fine 'em.
08:32 <@Bahhumbug> Opps, labour.
08:32 < Synx|hm> haha
08:32 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid Brits.
08:32 < Synx|hm> i agree, i told the guy that his parting gift to the company should be in the form of a cc'd email to uk department of laboUr
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08:36 <@brimstone> be nice
08:36 <@Bahhumbug> Um, fuck that.
08:36 < Synx|hm> i think aestetix should be an OP
08:37 <@brimstone> why are you always so grumpy?
08:37 <@Bahhumbug> He has been asked and told and I'm hardly the only one sick of his shit.
09:03 <@Dagmar> 1. The device cited will be ineffective.
09:03 <@Dagmar> 2. I don't want to see a dick being waggled at me at 5:30am.
09:03 <@Dickie> FINE
09:03 <@Dickie> I'll wait until 6
09:03 <@Dagmar> Oh like you disagreee
09:04 <@Dickie> I'd have to pay attention to disagree
09:04 <@Dickie> checkmate
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09:55 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: so you're running for president tonight, yes?
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09:59 <@Evilpig> Dagmar, oddball: either of you going to the meeting tonight?
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10:24 < Synx|hm> i have made an amazing discovery!
10:25 < Synx|hm> pulled pork chilli at 9am is fucking awesome
10:25 < Synx|hm> this should be the new go-to breakfast meal
10:52 <@brimstone> just get all your protein and calories in the first few bites of the day
10:57 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Yes
11:00 <@Evilpig> please bring up the point that if dink hadn't bailed shit out finanacially, dru would have bankrupted the organization due to his inability to listen to anyone else
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11:33 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: I want to give Dru another chance. I have been working on the websites myself and will try to make up any shortcomings this year
11:34 <@Evilpig> you want him to bankrupt the organization?
11:34 <@benthemeek> I think that will cause the least amount of drama and make the most squeaky wheel quiet down
11:34 <@oddball> Evilpig: Yeah, I'll be there.
11:34 <@Evilpig> because one chance to do it wasn't enough?!
11:34 <@oddball> I was really hoping that benthemeek would run for prez tonight.
11:35 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: He didn't bankrupt it this time. The hotel was a little steep I believe but it was all covered
11:35 <@Evilpig> he didn't because someone else made up the difference
11:35 < RangerZ> oddball: I concur
11:35 <@Evilpig> without that person bailing it out, then it would have been bankruptcy
11:35 < RangerZ> Dru should be made "Con Evangelist"
11:35 < RangerZ> so he can go talk to other groups/promote it, etc... basically what he WANTS to do
11:35 <@oddball> yep
11:36 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I think we can all agree that is what he is good at and needs to do
11:36 <@Dagmar> It's not like we have a five-figure budget.
11:36 <@benthemeek> The other officers (me) need to step up and make sure the other stuff gets done, and we will
11:37 <@Evilpig> you cannot step up and make him NOT make horrible decisions
11:37 <@benthemeek> Actually I am where wilbur was a few years ago, I dont care if I am officer or not the website WILL be done by next meeting
11:37 <@Evilpig> he can promote and evangelize all he wants.  he CANNOT be in charge
11:37 <@benthemeek> I have been working on the 2600's this week
11:38 <@benthemeek> Who here beilives that a president is really in charge ;)
11:38 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you can only do that when the person in charge is allowing you to run shit
11:38 <@Evilpig> the current one you have is making piss poor decisions and you can't say he isn't.  
11:38 < RangerZ> its not so much 'decisions' its _lack of communication_
11:39 <@benthemeek> I dont think its poor decisions as it is silence
11:39 < RangerZ> and "I sent an email" when he didn't
11:39 <@Evilpig> if you had a lame duck in that position allowing you to run things that is a different situation
11:39 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: ^
11:39 <@oddball> RangerZ: Nope.  He decided that there should be a blackhole of communication to the membership.
11:39 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: hotel bill was 100% his BAD decision
11:39 <@oddball> There were multiple times where I was basically told to fuck off when I asked what the hell was going on.
11:40 <@benthemeek> oddball: I think it was more ignored rather than
11:40 <@benthemeek> Will you run for vice this year?
11:40 <@oddball> No.  Dru told me that I didn't need to know what I was asking.
11:40 <@benthemeek> Tilghman and I would really like that, Dink isnt interested
11:40 <@oddball> Not if Dru is prez.
11:41 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: the only way you're going to get support is run for president
11:41 <@benthemeek> I am stubborn and believe that I need Dru in the organization. I also believe that he will not be unless he has a title. I further believe that what he does is useful and brings benefit and thus I need him.
11:42 <@Evilpig> give him the title of evangelist then
11:42 <@benthemeek> So I dont care if hes president I care that I fix the communication issues and plan ahead. All of which I can do with out him
11:42 <@Evilpig> he wants to be in charge and he cannot be in position of decision making, period
11:42 <@oddball> At just about every turn, if I asked him a question, I got one of 3 responses: 1. yeah, I'll get on that soon, 2. "patience," or 3. that's privledged information.
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11:43 <@benthemeek> oddball: That WONT be happening this year
11:43 <@Evilpig> when phreaknic is supposed to be run and organized by the community and answers like "that's privledged information" are given.  that's bullshit
11:43 <@benthemeek> I will be a thorn in his side if you need me to be pestering for information all the way
11:43 <@oddball> If he's prez, yes.  Yes it will.
11:43 <@Evilpig> htat isn't being part of the community, that's trying to make a position of power
11:43 <@benthemeek> I know he was quiet, but I didnt know he was blowing you off
11:44 <@Evilpig> it was said repeatedly he was
11:44 <@oddball> Example: I can't count the number of times that I asked for a copy of the contract, or at least how much the hotel was asking for... something that I'm entitled to ask for as a member of the org, and was either refused or given bad info every time.
11:44 <@Dagmar> I do recall saying a little something about siloing of information.
11:44 <@benthemeek> He doesnt make desicions in a vacume. He does actually talk with the other officers. That is why I am confident I can fix the issues and there wont be problems
11:44 <@Evilpig> I'll point this out as well.  note the date and the eventual outcome...   
11:44 <@Evilpig> #se2600.2014-05-31.log:01:32 <@Wilpig> now if that is the deal they agreed to, someone needs to be finding 10g rather quickly or be setting up plans to declare bankruptcy for the non-profit come november
11:45 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: officers != community
11:45 <@Evilpig> run for president, have oddball as your vp
11:46 <@Evilpig> let dru be evangelist and plan for a good eyar
11:46 <@benthemeek> I agree and we want community. The question is interpretation of intent. Dru doesn't think everything (as in financial details or hotel contract is something that should be floated outside the officers)
11:47 <@oddball> Hell, I was under the belief that I was still a director of the convention for most of the year.
11:47 <@benthemeek> For what it is worth I disagree
11:47 <@Evilpig> is phreaknic the responsibility fo the officers alone or the organization of nashville 2600 as a whole?
11:47 <@benthemeek> To me the only reason to not be trasnsparent is toavoid critiscm
11:48 <@benthemeek> oddball: That was clearly Dru just overlooking information
11:48 <@oddball> And there's still the convention meetings that were held in secret.
11:48 <@oddball> Organized through a secret mailing list.
11:48 <@benthemeek> Its not that he doesnt like you, I think he just lumped you in with the group that criticizes him on channel
11:48 <@Evilpig> is phreaknic the responsibility fo the officers alone or the organization of nashville 2600 as a whole?
11:49 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: The community
11:49 <@benthemeek> but does the WHOLE community need to knwo all the nitty gritty financial details
11:49 <@Evilpig> then whywould any request from the community be told no when it comes to the planning details of the event?
11:49 <@benthemeek> are there levels of responsibilty?
11:49 <@Evilpig> the community being the members of the organization yes, I think they should be able to request and know what the deal is
11:50 <@oddball> And I believe it was Corydon that actually let it slip last meeting that that was done specifically to exclude undesirables.
11:50 <@Evilpig> we've always discussed how much we spend on swag, etc
11:51 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you have an understanding that you need to communicate with the group, you have the backing of the previous organizers and other locals, you're listening and hearing the problems but refusing the acknowledge that the root of the problems is a single point
11:51 <@Evilpig> shift the point, become the leader and direct things to a good place
11:52 <@benthemeek> Here is my opinion: Dru at one point thought that some of you were actually working to undermine the con. I have never thought this, but the website thing and other things has made him see this as a us vs them thing
11:52 <@Evilpig> if dru refuses to be a part if he isn't in charge, then he doesn't care about phreaknic or the group
11:53 <@oddball> benthemeek: By "at one point," you mean "the entire year?"
11:53 <@Evilpig> he saw it as an us vs them beside the point that we were constantly pointing out shit tha was going to explode and offering better ways to do it
11:53 <@Dagmar> The "website" thing wasn't a "vs" anyone thing.
11:53 <@benthemeek> I would say for the 6 months leading to phreaknic
11:53 <@Dagmar> THat was _us_ proving the point to ourselves.
11:53 <@oddball> 'cause I remember him already making excuses and throwing blame at people pretty damned early on.
11:54 <@Evilpig> it was a "my way" vs "everyone else's suggestions and experiences"
11:54 <@benthemeek> Heres the deal. Phreaknic is this community. It would be stupid to start it over from scratch. I am not going to let that happen
11:54 <@Evilpig> you aren't starting over from scratch
11:55 <@Evilpig> you're flat out saying... last year we had a problem and we're removing it from a position where it can continue to be one
11:55 <@benthemeek> Last years problem was not Dru delibertly targeting you or leaving you out
11:55 <@benthemeek> it was his lack of communication
11:55 <@Evilpig> the problem was dru
11:55 <@Evilpig> hotel contract = dru
11:55 <@Evilpig> lack of communication = dru
11:55 <@benthemeek> He communicated very little to the list and didnt return emails
11:55 <@Evilpig> accusations against us/me = dru
11:56 <@benthemeek> Well I have his cell. I text him when I email him.
11:56 <@benthemeek> I will fix this
11:56 <@Evilpig> creating animosity in the community = dru
11:56 < aestetix> benthemeek for president
11:56 <@Evilpig> run for president
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11:56 <@oddball> benthemeek: But he stated several times that email was the only form of comunication that he would recognize.
11:57 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you know what made dolemite effective ?  he listened and communicated.  He also did well at keeping the various egos and factions in place with rational discussion
11:57 <@benthemeek> oddball: emotions are high on this(espeacilly his) and its not a recipe for rational thought
11:57 <@Evilpig> you have these qualities.  you can be an effective leader.
11:57 <@benthemeek> I need to be a buffer of communication
11:58  * Dickie throws his hat in the race
11:58 <@Evilpig> dru does not.  dru is an irrational person that is jumping to conclusions and isn't afraid of fabricating a narrative to push his agenda
11:58 < aestetix> RangerZ for secretary of education
11:59 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: run for president.  you want ot be a buffer then be in the position to receive the information first hand
11:59 <@benthemeek> I know you all dont think this is as important as I do (Dru contribution to the last year) But I feel it is really important. I want him to bring that back again
12:00 <@Evilpig> then let him contribute
12:00 <@Evilpig> he doesn't have to be in charge to contribute
12:00 < aestetix> benthemeek: why not create a new role of Chairman and let him do that?
12:00 <@Evilpig> you aren't kicking him out of the group, you're simple saying "you make bad decisions for the organization"
12:00 <@oddball> Yeah... no one is saying that he can't be part of things.  We're saying that he really shouldn't be the guy in charge.
12:00 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: That would be a take his toys and go home thing I think
12:01 <@Evilpig> if he can't be apart of the group without being in charge, who threw him out?
12:01 <@Evilpig> he did.
12:01 <@oddball> Hell, you're even dancing around that statement by saying that you'll make sure he does his job this time around.
12:01 <@benthemeek> oddball: there is pride and reputation on the line
12:01 <@oddball> Don't give a shit.
12:01 <@Evilpig> there is no room for pride or reputation in leaderhsip
12:02 <@benthemeek> I am leveling with you guys. I think if Dru isnt president he wont want to be part of it. It will be like a slap in the face to take that away from him.
12:02 <@Evilpig> the person in charge has to make shit decisions sometimes.  you can't take that shit personally
12:02 <@oddball> Nero had pride and reputation on the line while he fiddled as Rome burned to the ground.
12:02 <@Evilpig> if he doesn't want ot be part of it, then that's on him
12:02 <@Dickie> Is there a Godwin for Nero?
12:02 <@benthemeek> Dru didnt burn it to the ground though, he just didnt communicate with the group
12:02 <@Evilpig> if he had listened to the people last year and hadn't alienated the group he wouldn't be getting told he did a shit job
12:02 <@oddball> and the con suffered from that this year, and will suffer more next year.
12:03 < RangerZ> aestetix: you would have loved my drive last night, 9hrs of driving... ALL of it had rain/drizle
12:03 <@benthemeek> He did okay, the new speakers were okay. Shoot rack it up to first time president jitters. Whatever we as a team can fix this whole thing
12:03 <@Dagmar> So... you got the chloroform, then?
12:03 <@oddball> 150 registered, where only about 100 showed up isn't a successful con.
12:03 <@Evilpig> the speakers were lacking, the money management was piss poor, the community engagement ticked up at the end but he alienated long time attending people in lieu of new people that didn't make up the difference
12:03 <@Dagmar> ...because I don't see the whole 'decent into paranoia' thing subsiding
12:03 <@benthemeek> I beleive almost everything can be blamed entirely on the lack of communication and a website last year
12:04 < aestetix> benthemeek: I am truly sorry I couldn't make it this year. I will try next year.
12:04 <@benthemeek> I know we can say that is all dru's fault, but I was just as lacking at stepping up and getting it done
12:04 < aestetix> Very few places anymore let you cuss and drink on stage :)
12:04 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: how does the money management relate to the website?
12:04 <@Evilpig> at the end of the day the person in charge, president, is responsible for everything
12:04 <@benthemeek> The money management came down to an abitious contract
12:04 <@Evilpig> he takes the praise or blame at the end of the year
12:05 <@benthemeek> if all the people had showed we would of easily made the numbers
12:05 <@Evilpig> abitious?  deranged... delusional...  
12:05 <@benthemeek> as it was we almost did anyway
12:05 < RangerZ> bentheMEEK: Q.E.D. with the name alone
12:05 < RangerZ> he doesn't want to step up, b/c he's afraid it'll cause drama, lol
12:05 <@Dagmar> "Almost" only counts in hand grenades and home mortage fund returns
12:06 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: exactly, I can make this work without drama. Dru and I wont have a power struggle. So with his evangelism and my planning it will get done
12:06 <@Evilpig> I've seen no numbers so your almost might as well be a million dollars
12:07 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: with him as president you have NO support from previous organizers.  you've flat out had the oversight board say "i'm out"
12:07 <@benthemeek> Well that sucks. I am sorry but the phreaknic is more than a the president.
12:07 <@Evilpig> yes it is, but not to the current president
12:08 <@Evilpig> in his delusional mind he is phreaknic
12:08 <@Evilpig> period
12:08 <@oddball> Evilpig: ++
12:08 <@Evilpig> and you've all but said that directly.
12:08 < RangerZ> benthemeek: yes, but... people also don't want to deal with "drama" , and Dru is synonymous with that 5-letter "four letter word" in ... .most of the South East US ;)
12:09 <@Evilpig> by saying if he isn't in charge he isn't going to help, that is saying he is phreaknic and refusal to see him as in charge is refusing to acknowledge him
12:10 <@Evilpig> you wanna make him a spokesman, fine.  good for you, he doesn't need to be in charge
12:10 <@oddball> Pretty much
12:10 <@Evilpig> personally I like notlarry as a spokesman but he doens't get around to conventions or other groups to bring folks in
12:10 <@benthemeek> He started it so yeah I think its reasonable for him to think this is my baby
12:10 <@Evilpig> notlarry is a far more personable person
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12:11 <@Evilpig> he started it... according to press releases from his group tom(decius) started it
12:11 <@benthemeek> but it isnt just one guys baby, and its bigger than any one guy. Decius supports Dru right now
12:11 <@Evilpig> he also abandoned it after PN4
12:11 < RangerZ> Do I have to bring in a contrived Rosa Parks analogy as to why people didn't want to 'move' on their stances on Dru? b/c I'll do it... and It'll kill a small part of American history in the process
12:11 < RangerZ> lol
12:12 <@benthemeek> I actually know a lot more about why he walked away, and it wasnt this group but he had his reasons and they were valid
12:12 <@Evilpig> I'm sure if rattle and decius were paying attention and got all the information they woulnd't be sitting here saying "yes dru is an effective leader"
12:12 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: he moved to atlanta...
12:12 <@Evilpig> we all know why he walked away
12:12 <@benthemeek> I know his reasons for doing so.
12:12 <@Evilpig> shortly after he moved to atlanta he moved to florida for a while as well
12:13 <@Evilpig> the reasons don't matter, he dropped it.  didn't pass it on, he dropped it
12:13 <@Evilpig> i'll also go back to a previous point of dru will manufacture a narratie to support his actions
12:13 <@Evilpig> narrative*
12:14 < RangerZ> benthemeek: unless he was running from the CIA or KGB, leaving with no notice and no support, doesn't really lend itself to the good graces of those who picked it up afterwards, let alone his attitude since coming back
12:14 <@benthemeek> Well what I am hearing from many of you is that if Dru is involved or (in charge) you will have nothing to do with a conference that we have all put blood/sweat into, and frankly would happen despite him if he just walked away tomorrow
12:14 <@Evilpig> I knew tumblr was supporting etsy integration but now we support kickstarter too.  neat
12:15 <@Dagmar> That'll end well.
12:15 <@oddball> benthemeek: I haven't heard anyone saying that him being involved will cause that.
12:15 < RangerZ> benthemeek: no, they just don't want him IN CHARGE, they want him to be the "con evangelist"
12:15 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: we're all saying we'll help out to the end of time, unless dru is in charge...
12:15 <@Dagmar> Hey did you catch the video of that chick taking down the roadside advertisements for healthy dieting to help children not be fat?  Heh
12:15 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I wish I could go into why, but they were highly personal reasons he doesnt want shared and in my judgement he made the right desicion.
12:15 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: no, lol
12:15 <@Dagmar> Thousands and thousands of thumbs down on YouTube
12:15 <@Dagmar> like seventy upvotes
12:16 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: narrative to support his decisions, true or otherwise
12:16 < RangerZ> benthemeek: It doesn't matter, personal reasons are 'fine', but that doesn't mean you get to come back and act like it didn't happen, and then have an attitude
12:16 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I agree
12:17 <@Evilpig> the facts stand.  a series of bad decisions, inability to communicate to the community/planning group, head in the clouds planning not based on reality
12:17 < RangerZ> because honestly the 'dropping it' thing is a more minor issue, it is his attitude since coming back that is the real problem
12:17 <@benthemeek> But boiling this all down isnt this all mainly just a failure to communicate? If I could fix that or we could solve that isnt it worth doing without causing drama and losing other people I really want to come to the con?
12:17 <@Evilpig> he did reach out to other groups, he brought in a few new speakers
12:17 <@Evilpig> there's his good points.  there is what he should be focusing on
12:18 <@Dagmar> s/failure/refusal/
12:18 <@Evilpig> I can tell you for a fact he did NOT reach out to all the previous speakers despite having all their contact info
12:18 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: If I beleived that I would be running for pres against him
12:18 <@benthemeek> I dont think this was malicous on his part. I really dont
12:18 <@Evilpig> benthemeek:  then you're being delusional
12:18 <@oddball> I have a hard time not looking at the evidence and coming uyp with "refusal to communicate."
12:19 <@Evilpig> case in point:  dru reached out to me for passwords / domains / website ?  true/false
12:19 <@Evilpig> what was reported to the group from dru directly?
12:19 <@benthemeek> He claims true and says he has email headers
12:19 <@Evilpig> FALSE
12:19 <@Evilpig> provide proof
12:19 <@benthemeek> I think its something we should drop and move on
12:19 <@Evilpig> I've offered to give you access to my email
12:19 <@Evilpig> it's refusal as dagmar pointed out
12:20 < RangerZ> if he said his "mia culpas(sp?)" and then went on to do a 'ehh' job without alienating everyone, then people would say "hey, it was his first year back, lets give him a chance", but its the fact that shit went down the way it did, and he circled the wagons and lied (got caught in them with his "i sent an email" lies on several occasions, and if they aren't lies, then he needs to hire someone to manage his email for him... like google 
12:20 <@benthemeek> I know you have. I believe you are an honest person Evilpig
12:20 <@benthemeek> Look at how he contacted the head of hypericon
12:20 <@Evilpig> I'm still giving you the option to log into my email and check
12:20 <@benthemeek> using the wrong email address and finally getting a hold of his wife instead
12:20 <@Evilpig> how he neglected to contact the head of hypericon?
12:20 <@oddball> benthemeek: You mean didn't... at all?
12:21 <@benthemeek> No he sent emails to the wrong address
12:21 <@benthemeek> the problem is when one assumes that email is the only/best way to contact people
12:21 <@oddball> Until I see the sent emails, I'm going to say no, he didn't.
12:21 <@benthemeek> had he reached out to you oddball you could of easily put him in touch
12:21 <@oddball> Because the "bad email address" was no where near a correct one.
12:21 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: when one uses email as an excuse to cover their lack of action...
12:22 <@oddball> he could have reached out to me, or... I don't know... used the email addy on Hypericon's fucking website.
12:22 <@benthemeek> I dont know why he didnt try harder, or shoot why he didnt just call you wilpig. Something SHOULD be talked about over the phone
12:22 <@Evilpig> run for president.
12:22 <@benthemeek> but if communication is where he failed... I can fix it is all I am saying
12:22 <@oddball> Because he didn't send the emails in the first place!
12:22 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: because doing that would poke holes in the narrative of me being unreasonable
12:23 <@Evilpig> that would poke holes int he whole "wilbur's reading my email"
12:23 <@oddball> That is also not the first time he's claimed that he's sent emails without response when the truth was that he never sent the email to begin with.
12:23 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: that may be true, but many of us have confirmation bias and only want to see what we believe. Look you all make good points that he isnt the best leader in the world. But I dont think that we should replace him yet
12:23 <@benthemeek> its just my opinion
12:24 <@benthemeek> bah the whole thing is frustrating
12:24 <@Evilpig> best leader...  isn't even a decent or acceptable leader
12:25 <@oddball> Oh, and him "contacting" the guy's wife was to ask her if she could give us art work again... oh, and this was on a Friday and the artwork needed to be done by Monday.
12:25 <@Evilpig> she's never given us art work.  we made a deal for it the previous year. fyi
12:25 <@benthemeek> Well here is my plan for the future
12:26 <@Evilpig> it was a cheap deal for us and she was awesome for it
12:26 <@oddball> Evilpig: Sorry, you're correct.  That said, she gave us a hell of a deal compared to her usual fee.
12:26 <@benthemeek> We elect Dru and get him on the con cicuit again. In the mean time the website is up by next month. All previous speakers are reached out to by march
12:26 <@benthemeek> We need to do the weekend after halloween IMO
12:26 <@oddball> So... you're going to act as prez, while holding the office of secretary?
12:26 <@benthemeek> I actually post minutes and updates to the site and social media as I get them
12:27 < RangerZ> well, I gotta go to meeting, so I can't stay in this "fun", but... benthemeek perhaps you should think about how its difficult to see some things when you're too close... perhaps this is just one of those things, that looks one way to you, and looks an entirely different way to other people
12:27 <@benthemeek> I dont care if I dont have a title at all; I care that the con happens.
12:27 < RangerZ> and with that, I nominate aestetix as president then
12:28 < RangerZ> peniscon2015 here we come....
12:28 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: the only way you can ensure that the con happens and everyone is engaged is to be in charge
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12:29 <@Evilpig> voting for dru is saying you agree with how everything was handled last year
12:29 <@brimstone> fact ^
12:29 <@Evilpig> you agree that the nashville2600.org site is excellent and shoudl continue in the current state
12:29 <@benthemeek> I just want everyone to see PHREAKNIC != Dru.  The same people that usually come will usually come. Help and come out and dont put so much stock into who has what office
12:30 <@brimstone> that's why i only vote for benthemeek
12:30 <@Evilpig> to everyone else phreaknic == phreaknic to dru phreaknic = dru only
12:30 <@benthemeek> Im working on it Evilpig ;) I hope to get the content all done soon
12:30 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: nashville2600.org is down
12:30 <@benthemeek> I know
12:31 <@Evilpig> it shoudln't be down.  its only down because of dru's demands
12:31 <@Evilpig> is that the decision of a rational person?
12:32 <@Evilpig> he demanded that dolemite take control of the domains from me, and thus shut them down by not having anything else setup to take them
12:32 <@Evilpig> is that the decision of a rational person?
12:33 <@Dagmar> I am still waiting for an explanation as to why he needed control of _all_ the domains.
12:33 <@Evilpig> in all the years that I have controlled the domains have they ever not been paid?  not been updated?  been down for any extended time period?
12:33 <@benthemeek> Dagmar he thinks that some here want to shut down the con
12:33 <@Evilpig> why all the sudden was I going to take everything down?
12:34 <@benthemeek> After the website reset it was determined you might want to crash everything. I of course totally disagree with this, and your actions obviously since have shown that you arent trying to
12:35 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: so that decision was made based on a paranoia with no real evidence... going back to the creating a narrative to support his bad decisions
12:35 <@Evilpig> the website reset that was caused by someone else's actions that were totally unrelated to me
12:35 <@Evilpig> but he harped on dolemite for two months nearly to get the domains transferred
12:35 <@benthemeek> the evidence was the site reset, and when you already thing evilpig is out to take control for himself it was enough for him
12:35 <@Evilpig> after the fact
12:36 <@benthemeek> its ridiculous and I tell him so if he brings it up
12:36 <@Evilpig> rational decision?  or kneejerk reaction to bad information?
12:36 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Yes, and where he got that crazy-ass idea is something I have _yet_ to sewe justified.
12:36 <@Dagmar> He's either losing his mind, or he's covering for someone.
12:36 <@benthemeek> and if its blamed for why things didnt happen last year (like it has been ) I also say thats ridiculous and just an excuse. It was our fault and we will fix it
12:36 <@Dagmar> The site being "reset" was becuase someone did something fundamentally wrong, and it wasn't us.
12:37 <@Evilpig> he doesn't need to be in a position of making decisions if he is going to make kneejerk reactions to shit
12:37 <@Evilpig> the site being reset was just ridiculously hilarious because we all said that type of shit would happen with a live code based site
12:37 <@benthemeek> Look at it logically. Anarchival told him all these things about people in this channel
12:37 < aestetix> oooh
12:37 < aestetix> what'd she say about me?
12:37 <@Evilpig> so he valued the opinion of someone new the group instead of those that have been around for the previous decade
12:38 <@Evilpig> excellent decision making 
12:38 <@benthemeek> A case was built up against you that you are trying to bring him down. Throw in some more evidence by the website thing. Suddenly everyone is out to get you.
12:38 <@Evilpig> experience < new blood
12:38 <@Dagmar> That was not "evidence".
12:38 <@benthemeek> Its not rational and he has been told so by the rest of us
12:38 <@Evilpig> evidence != accusations
12:38 <@rhia> if your son was really good kicking field goals, but fumbled all the time and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn throwing, would you keep saying "aw, but he wants to be quarterback, so we should let him" even if he keeps making the team lose? or would you encourage him to focus on kicking for his sake and the good of the team?
12:38 <@benthemeek> and shes out of the picture
12:38 <@benthemeek> thought she may show up tonight to help make sure he gets voted back in
12:38 <@Dagmar> No one present holds _any_ blame for what happened to the website, since it was clearly _designed_ to self-destruct.
12:38 <@Evilpig> rhia: ++
12:38 <@benthemeek> though*
12:38 <@benthemeek> but shes done with us as a whole
12:39 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: where's the next anarchival ?
12:39 <@benthemeek> I have to go to a christmas luncheon, I will log in and scroll back later
12:39 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: But we just got the tar warmed up
12:39 <@Evilpig> will that person arrive next month or the month after?
12:39 <@benthemeek> I am hoping Elonka will actually join in wilbur
12:39 <@benthemeek> and shes rational and great
12:39 <@Evilpig> elonka would be a fine addition
12:39 <@Evilpig> but she isn't in a position to do anything right now.  you are
12:39 <@benthemeek> She texted me this week, though with her unpacking I dont know if she will make it tonight
12:39 < aestetix> oh wow Elonka is in nashville now
12:40 <@Evilpig> aestetix: she took a job in nashville heading up a new game studio
12:40 < aestetix> figures
12:40 <@Evilpig> she's gonna be swamped
12:40 <@benthemeek> I think its a training on game design thing actually
12:40 < aestetix> well there aren't that many people with her level of experience on that
12:40 <@Dagmar> I would stoked to see her show up
12:41 <@Dagmar> er be stoked
12:41 <@Evilpig> elonka has many skills around organizing and evangelizing that are amazing.  that's beside the point
12:41 < aestetix> She also doesn't put up with bullshit.
12:41 <@Evilpig> I wish I was still in nashville I would love to see elonka more often.  
12:41  * Evilpig <3's elonka
12:41 <@benthemeek> yeah she texted me asking if I would come over to help unpack tuesday for some pizza and crypto discussion
12:42 <@benthemeek> I wish I could have
12:42 < _NSAKEY> As the token new guy in this channel (This last PhreakNIC was my first community interaction), I have 1 question: Should I even go to tonight's meeting?
12:42 < aestetix> vagina
12:42 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: if you're local to nashville, yes
12:42 < _NSAKEY> I was considering it but it sounds likely to descend into rioting and looting.
12:42 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: I am.
12:42 <@Evilpig> be a part of the group,  get to know everyone better
12:42 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: do not be fooled by drama. This is great group even with their differences :)
12:42 <@benthemeek> I will see you tonight if you come
12:43 <@Evilpig> most of these folks I consider to be some of my best friends
12:43  * aestetix hugs Evilpig 
12:43 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: I remember you at PhreakNIC, even though we didn't talk much. You ran the A/V like a boss.
12:43 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: show up and pay your dues, nominate benthemeek for president
12:44 <@benthemeek> pfft.. I appreaciate your vote of confidence, I wish I knew more about the video compositing thing
12:44 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: I don't believe I know enough about the group politics to make an informed decision.
12:44 <@Evilpig> I still haven't seen any video from PN17 or 18 on the youtube channel
12:44 < _NSAKEY> In fact, I didn't even know if I was going to go until 2 days beforehand.
12:44 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: you want ben as president. 
12:44 <@benthemeek> BBL
12:44 <@Evilpig> you want a stump as president vs the current
12:48 <@Evilpig> http://yearinreview.tumblr.com/2014
12:48 <@Evilpig> this is now live
12:52 <@Evilpig> well it finally happened
12:52 <@Evilpig> housekeeper caught me with out clothes on
12:53 <@rhia> Evilpig, lost another housekeeper?
12:54 <@brimstone> Evilpig: or anyone else, how do i get a backup of 404.se2600.org and get it 301ing somewhere else?
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12:58  * aestetix farts at Evilpig 
12:59 <@Evilpig> rhia: nearly
12:59 <@Evilpig> I heard the tiny knock on the door and sprinted to the bathroom and got some pants on before they came in
12:59 <@Evilpig> brimstone: I can repoint it
13:00 <@Evilpig> I can give you access to my server if it's on there as well
13:00 <@Evilpig> but I thought that was repointed a while ago
13:00 <@brimstone> Evilpig: can you tar it up and gpg it to me at brimstone@the.narro.ws actually?
13:00 <@Evilpig> I do have a site for 404
13:00 <@Evilpig> yeah or you can just send me a public key and i'll set you as owner
13:01 <@brimstone> email?
13:01 <@Evilpig> wilpig@wilpig.org
13:01 <@Evilpig> *@wilpig.com
13:02 <@brimstone> sent
13:02 < aestetix> ok so
13:02 < aestetix> I need to set up my new email address
13:02 < aestetix> ron@rive.st
13:02 <@Evilpig> i'll get you added in shortly and move everything over
13:03 <@brimstone> yeah, no rush
13:03 <@brimstone> we're gonna talk about our site tonight
13:03  * brimstone highlights npcomp
13:03 <@Evilpig> got your key
13:03 <@oddball> *sigh* and before I head off to do errands, Naienko has told me that I'm not allowed to run for president.
13:04 <@oddball> I love you guys, but I love my wife and my bed more.
13:04 < aestetix> benthemeek: get Corydon back in here
13:04 <@oddball> oh... and she knows where I keep most of the sharp pointy things and the things that go bang.
13:05 <@brimstone> Evilpig: thanks
13:06 <@Evilpig> haha @ company awards for using the word "fuck" more times collectively than the rest of your team
13:07 < aestetix> So many more questions for him
13:11 <@oddball> Evilpig: Acceptence something along the lines of "fuck.  Didn't fucking realize that this was an actual fucking award.  Fuck me!"
13:12 <@Evilpig> it was answered with "fuck yeah!"
13:18 <@Evilpig> damnit.  the movie I want to see is at 1:30 but they're cleaning the bathroom right now.  fuck!
13:18 <@Evilpig> I guess I could go without a shower and be that guy
13:18 <@Evilpig> nm it isn't until 2:30.  victory!
13:19 < aestetix> you haven't showered yet today?
13:19 <@Evilpig> i'm in bed, bitch
13:19 <@Evilpig> I just said that I didn't have any clothes on when the housekeepers came in
13:21 < aestetix> Is anyone in bed with you?
13:21 <@Evilpig> no
13:21 <@Evilpig> there was a cat fwiw
13:22 < _NSAKEY> A cat is fine, too.
13:22 < aestetix> Is your cat ugly?
13:22 <@Evilpig> w00t!  tusk is finally on streaming somewhere so I can see it
13:24 < aestetix> I'll take that as a yes.
13:24 <@Evilpig> it's a cat, I don't think they get rated as ugly
13:25 < aestetix> Is it a ginger?
13:25 <@Evilpig> no
13:27 < aestetix> Then probably not ugly
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13:41 <@CRasH180> I'm so awesome! You're so awesome!
13:41 <@brimstone> \o/
13:42 < aestetix> CRasH180: are you a millennial
13:43 <@CRasH180> Nope
13:44 <@CRasH180> I am 36
13:44 <@CRasH180> years old
13:44 <@CRasH180> had that stuck in my head and I needed to share
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13:55 < aestetix> wilpig: do you still play candy crush?
13:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: I mean
13:57 <@Evilpig> yeah occasionally
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14:04 < aestetix> btw
14:04 < aestetix> if anyone wants to move to the bay area
14:04 < aestetix> hired.com
14:09 < aestetix> oh fuck me
14:09 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/us/rolling-stone-uva-apology/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
14:11 < aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claims-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html?wpisrc=al_national
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14:28 <@Dagmar> Oops
14:49 < aestetix> I have forgotten.... is iptables still current, or has something replaced it?
14:52 <@Dagmar> It's still current
14:52 < aestetix> ok
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15:08 < RangerZ> systemd 2.1 replaces it
15:08 < RangerZ> along with X and bind
15:08 < RangerZ> 2.3 gets apache and php
15:09 < aestetix> replaces it with what?
15:09 < RangerZ> systemd
15:09 < RangerZ> itself
15:10 < aestetix> what's systemd going to do next, get its own kernel?
15:10 < RangerZ> just different modules in systemd , with a thankful binary format closed source, so we don't have to deal with the hassle of source code
15:10 <@benthemeek> Anyone ever have a problem with dd-wrt filtering LAN hosts from each other?
15:10 < aestetix> oh good nobody bothers reading source code anyways
15:10 < RangerZ> benthemeek:  yes
15:10 < aestetix> apt-get install nsa-firewall
15:10 < RangerZ> vlans are just set
15:11 <@benthemeek> driving me nuts. I assume that ddwrt is treating the ports as seperate networks or something
15:11 < RangerZ> add all physical ports to same vlan
15:11 <@benthemeek> hmmm I am horrible at the syntax for changing the iptables in ddwrt but i tried and still cant talk
15:11 < RangerZ> i just used the GUI
15:11 <@benthemeek> I will take a look
15:12 < RangerZ> i never bothered with the command line on dd-wrt, it had all the options I needed
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15:14 <@Dagmar> You're expecting hte wireless domain to actually carry broadcast traffic that isn't ARP?
15:16 <@benthemeek> im just trying to ssh into my linux box ON THE SAME NETWORK :P
15:16 <@Dagmar> ...which would be what?  ...because I suspect I know what the problem is
15:22 < aestetix> btw
15:22 < aestetix> this Rolling Stones reporter drama is epic fail
15:24 < aestetix> Why is it so hard.... if you report on a story, contact everyone involved to get their side.
15:24 < RangerZ> yeah, pretty pathetic
15:24 < RangerZ> to NOT contact ANY of the guys accused
15:24 < RangerZ> aestetix: b/c it would be "triggers" for the woman who is accusing
15:24 < RangerZ> or something...
15:24 < aestetix> If it is that sensitive, you want ot make sure to get all the facts correct.
15:24 < RangerZ> shh
15:24 < RangerZ> stop your patriarchy
15:25 < aestetix> The woman who decided not to go to the hospital after she was raped because she was afraid of a mark on her reputation?
15:25 < RangerZ> THAT is a real issue though
15:25 < RangerZ> just b/c YOU think YOU would be able to go, doesn't mean anything
15:25 < aestetix> uh
15:25 < RangerZ> and most male rapes don't get reported either
15:26 < aestetix> She could have gone to the hospital, had the tests done, and then been silent about it.
15:26 < RangerZ> aestetix: nope
15:26 < aestetix> So when this article came out, she could point to that as evidence.
15:26 < RangerZ> rape kits require police report, etc
15:26 < RangerZ> AFAIK
15:26 < aestetix> How does that work with HIPAA?
15:26 < RangerZ> exclusion IIRC
15:26 < aestetix> Also, filing a police report is different than publicly announcing something
15:26 < RangerZ> same with a child being abused, doctors have to legally report to cops
15:27 < RangerZ> that could be a state-by-state issue
15:27 < aestetix> Yeah
15:27 < aestetix> I have a friend who was raped.... a gay guy who got raped in a gang bang a few years ago.
15:28 < aestetix> He didn't press charges (it was complicated)
15:28 < aestetix> But he did go to the hospital, and got the tests done.
15:28 < RangerZ> so i'm not sure... but either way... rape victims have a LOT of stigma in our society "because she was asking for it"
15:28 < RangerZ> etc
15:28 < RangerZ> and people claiming "she's making it up" b/c 1/1000 make shit up like this woman (possibly)
15:28 < aestetix> In order to have a stigma, it must be broadcast some way.
15:29 < RangerZ> you're using too much logic in a situation where people aren't able to 'make logical decisions'
15:29 < RangerZ> b/c of shame/fear/etc... plus possible drug remaining in their system
15:30 < RangerZ> again, you're putting yourself into their shoes... and MOST people are NOT as open about sexuality as you are
15:30 < Synx|hm> oh lovely
15:30 < Synx|hm> just got an email from LinkedIn saysing "Brad, Laidoff? Learn how to thrive after losing your job"
15:31 < Synx|hm> and i know my company is about to have another round of firings
15:31  * RangerZ comfort Synx|hm
15:31  * RangerZ thinks LinkedIn knows something you don't
15:31 < aestetix> RangerZ: I've also done social work in this area.
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15:32 < aestetix> That said, if she was involved in a 7 person gang bang, I'd be amazed if nobody else had reported something like that. She can't be the only one they did it to.
15:33 < RangerZ> then stop spouting nonsense about how victims "should" do this/that, I agree they "should", but I understand how hard it is. (As I've done myself too, via helping my mom, who was a CASA agent and we helped battered women/etc escape into 'safe houses' etc)
15:33 < RangerZ> if it was only 1 girl, and 6 guys.... why would they report it?
15:33 < aestetix> I didn't say they "should". I'm saying there are options available.
15:34 < aestetix> I suspect a huge problem is that people don't know these options are there.
15:34 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wZPsFWfi3k
15:35 <@Dagmar> NSFW.
15:35 < RangerZ> perhaps, but you have to realize that 'rape apologists' (don't like that term, but its what they are called) say what you did, to imply that the women didn't really get raped b/c they didn't go to the ER, etc.
15:35 < RangerZ> and aren't just saying "this is an option"
15:36 <@opticron> is 'rape denialists' a better term?
15:36 < RangerZ> ehh, I honestly don't know, but sure
15:37 <@Dagmar> Hold up one moment
15:37 <@Dagmar> Let's get one thing straight
15:37 <@Dagmar> The people who say "she was asking for it" are unreasonable dickbags.
15:37 <@Dagmar> THeir opinions can safely be ignored.
15:38 <@Dagmar> We don't need to discuss their opinions any more than we need to have a discussion about whether or not Hitler should have been allowed to kill off the rest of the jews.
15:38 < aestetix> RangerZ: what I would say is that they knew this would be a very loaded story, and it's incredible that they didn't do as much fact checking as possible because of that.
15:38 < aestetix> I mean, they will get a backlash either way. But if you put up facts and ask people to refute them when they can't....
15:49 < Dot_Warner> Hi everyone. I know it's been a while since I've been in here. Have been dealing with health issues and alot of the time didn't feel up to being online even. I hope you are all well. I probably shouldn't but I'm gonna jump in on this rape subject. I agree with most of you! But I can also add that as a woman myself who has been sexually molested before in the past, I was lucky that I was able to get the guy  off of me due to some
15:49 < Dot_Warner> quick thinking and that was not easy in the midst of fear and panic!
15:49 <@Shadow404> i wonder if the bailout would have happened Dagmar, if he had succeeded?
15:51 < Dot_Warner> So while some people say "oh women should..." that is easier said than done most of the time in the moment of fear and the mental trauma going through something like that.
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16:05 < aestetix> so normally quora is worthless
16:05 < aestetix> http://www.quora.com/How-difficult-is-it-be-a-CEO
16:05 < aestetix> this is good though
16:09 < aestetix> You know
16:10 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/gmoomaw/status/540945349645697025
16:10 < aestetix> I wonder what would happen if *all* the fraternities were investigated.
16:10 < aestetix> I somehow have a feeling that the incident *did* happen but at a different frat house.
16:12 <@Dagmar> That's not a minor detail
16:12 < aestetix> I agree.
16:12 < aestetix> But I mean, they could just look to see if any frat houses were holding a party that night, and see if any other details match them
16:13 < aestetix> Because I am all in favor of the people who assaulted her being prosecutred
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16:37 <@benthemeek> I agve up ranger Z and just hooked up a switch
16:37 < aestetix> benthemeek: I'm watching a lecture series you might like
16:37 < aestetix> "How Jesus Became God"
16:37 < Synx|hm> anybody here on snapraid, unraid etc?
16:38 <@benthemeek> So annoyed with ddwrt right now. Though its probaly just my model router
16:39 < Synx|hm> so happy with my unifi-ap
16:39 < Synx|hm> wish i could drop the coin on the ac model
16:42 <@benthemeek> aestetix: last week I did a second hour discussion on the "sermon on the mount"at UU. I orignally was all gung ho about talking about the non-violent teachings etc but when we started discussing some of the other. I realized how far I had come and how I could get behind hardly any of it
16:42 < aestetix> well
16:42 <@benthemeek> Shoot even my nick comes from a verse in the sermon on the mount
16:42 < aestetix> the lecture series goes into historical context, as well as a lot of analysis of the new testament
16:42 <@benthemeek> With actual logical analytical thought it all falls apart
16:43 < aestetix> No, it makes quite a lot of sense, but only with the context.
16:43 < aestetix> It's also really useful to have an understanding of greek mythology, because a lot of elements were brought into the Christ story
16:43 <@benthemeek> The historical text is very interesting and its ironic that more christians dont really understand it much less the context of teaching like the beatitudes and the sermon on the mount
16:44 < aestetix> For example, the idea that Jesus became god makes a lot more sense if you look at the greek/roman mythological figures and how they became gods.
16:45 <@benthemeek> There is a certain story that his very much resembles but I cant remember the Gods name
16:45 < aestetix> several actually
16:45 < aestetix> but yeah there is one who stands out... I can't remember his name
16:46 < aestetix> (it's also worth noting that the origin story in chapter 1 of genesis borrows a lot of elements from the epic of gilgamesh)
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16:47 <@benthemeek> I used to think I am an athiestic humanist who is a fan of the teachings of Jesus and now I think well scratch that.
16:47 <@benthemeek> A fan of MLK perhaps is much more relevant and doesnt mix in promised of eternal consequences
16:47 < aestetix> Also worthy of discussion is comparing the Iliad and the Odyssey to the OT and the NT
16:48 <@benthemeek> I have never head that before. Where is this lecture series?
16:48 < aestetix> That's in a different lecture.... but uh I downloaded this off piratebay hold on
16:48 < aestetix> http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/10835242/TTC_-_How_Jesus_Became_God
16:50 <@benthemeek> Does the speaker/professor actually believe that Jesus is God or is it totally historical?
16:51 <@benthemeek> Dude has a book, maybe I will add it to my reading list
16:51 < dare2netsec> Anyone going to the NC meeting tonight?
16:51 < aestetix> benthemeek: he mostly withholds his own beliefs and focuses on analysis
16:53 < aestetix> (that said, one of my eventual goals is to read the gospels in greek)
16:54 <@benthemeek> aestitix: You mean to actually learn greek?
16:54 < aestetix> yep
16:54 <@benthemeek> You probaly know they were written over 40 years after his death right?
16:54 < aestetix> yep
16:54 <@benthemeek> O.o
16:55 <@benthemeek> I think I have decided they are interesting in a historical context but that I know noone who waits 40 years to write things down who can remember the exact words someone said
16:55 <@benthemeek> so they are just a curiosity
16:55 < aestetix> haha
16:55 <@benthemeek> Thats quite a goal
16:56 <@benthemeek> Is you interest scholarly or spiritual?
16:56 < aestetix> Yep.
16:56 < aestetix> Here's the prompting point: the gospel of john says "in the beginning was the word, and the word was god"
16:56 < aestetix> the greek word for "word" in that is "logos"
16:57 <@benthemeek> yep
16:57 < aestetix> which is the same word plato used to describe his forms
16:57 < aestetix> I'm curious what other gems like that are hidden away
16:57 <@benthemeek> The gospel of john has over 90 percent new material not covered in the other gospels, it was also the last one written
16:58  * aestetix nods
16:58 < rattle> Actually, there are about 50 gospels.  Only four are included in the bible.
16:59 <@benthemeek> The gnostic
16:59 < aestetix> RangerZ: you mean the dead sea scrolls?
16:59 < aestetix> er rattle
16:59 <@benthemeek> The gnostic gospels
16:59 < aestetix> that too
17:00 <@benthemeek> For instance Thomas which is very interesting. "The sayings of Jesus"
17:00 < aestetix> benthemeek: you will love this lecture series
17:00 < aestetix> everything you have said is covered in it, and more
17:02 <@benthemeek> I almost feel like I have exhausted that topic in my life though, you know? Like once you learn how incredibly man created it all is you realize that there never will be any real answers and it will come down to faith, of which I will not be giving to it
17:03 < aestetix> benthemeek: it becomes interesting (to me) if you look at it from a narrative perspective. And see how things have changed over the years.
17:03 < aestetix> Then again, my thesis question is not "what is the meaning of life" but "why is western culture so fucked up?"
17:03 <@benthemeek> I really feel sorry for a few friends of mine who have Master and Doctorates in Theology and then have the relization and suddenly find themselves on the other side of their original faith
17:04 < aestetix> How do you get a doctorate in theology without examining things like the gospels in detail?
17:05 <@benthemeek> That is what I mean as you become educated the mystery or truthfulness of it all becomes lost.
17:05 < aestetix> I'm less interested in what is the "truth" or whatever, and more who was trying to craft this narrative, why, and how did they do it
17:06 < aestetix> And what societal assumptions do we have as a result?
17:06 < aestetix> also, vagina
17:06 <@benthemeek> Thus you can't believe the standard fare that goes out over pulpits and is qouted by the majority. You might realize you devoted you life to something that probaly isnt real. Its a scary place. I have been there
17:06 <@benthemeek> Though not to the degree of the time and money in a masters degree
17:07 < aestetix> You should try LSD :p
17:08 <@benthemeek> Are you familure with the work of Steven Pinker?
17:08 < aestetix> uep
17:08 < aestetix> And keep in mind I have also read GEB ;)
17:09 <@benthemeek> The civilizing process?
17:09 <@benthemeek> To me ( I think) spending much time focusing on the philosphys of the past probaly detract from the future
17:10 < aestetix> It's worth asking what is the point of mythology, and going from there
17:10 <@benthemeek> I dont mean in understanding how we got here, but the guys that sit around and argue about whether Jesus is real are just wasting time
17:10 < aestetix> yes that is a complete waste of time
17:10 <@benthemeek> You are familure with Joseph Cambell as well?
17:10 < aestetix> hahaha
17:10 < aestetix> very.
17:11 <@benthemeek> Studying mythology in his way I think is perhaps very useful.
17:11 < aestetix> THat's what I try to do
17:12 <@benthemeek> Obviosly humanity keeps creating myths and their similarities tell us a lot about ourselves
17:13 <@benthemeek> I went and saw that movie the Equalizer a while back with a friend. When we left the theater he talked about how disturbed he was by some of the violence and the sociopathic (perhaps) protangonist
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17:14 < aestetix> penis
17:14 <@benthemeek> I wondered if his is the normal reaction, because humans have been far more violent in the past (middle ages) or if it is a result of culture values.
17:16 <@benthemeek> Lots of our myths have really horrible violent stuff so it makes me curious how much of it is cultural vs inate
17:17 <@klixa> wondeeed if who had a normal reaction?
17:17 <@klixa> wondered*
17:17 <@klixa> what are you people talking about
17:18 <@benthemeek> klixa: too bad you missed it, we were talking about mythology and joseph campbell came up.
17:18 <@oddball> A goo number of modern humans are a lot more squimish than they used to be.  Just think about how many people react to butchering of animals, when it used to be that damned near everyone did it if they wanted meat on the table.
17:18 <@Dickie> goo number
17:18 <@Dickie> My goo number is 7
17:19 <@klixa> oddball: we arent desensitised to the salughetring of animals like they woudl have been in the past
17:19 <@klixa> we never do it
17:19 <@benthemeek> oddball: I wonder is moving away from the butchering process gives us more empathy for the pain of other humans too
17:19 <@Dickie> I'd stop eating animals if it were more convenient
17:19 <@klixa> Dickie: how is it not convenient?
17:20 <@Dickie> I knew you would ask that
17:20 <@Dickie> I'll bite
17:20 <@klixa> benthemeek: if anything, i think we have more emathy now (assuming we actually do have more empathy) would be because we live longer, and have more idle time and more time to be aorund people
17:20 <@benthemeek> Eh I don't know about the whole moral vegetarian arguments.
17:20 <@Dickie> We are surrounded by fast foods, the overwhelming majority of which that is affordable is meat
17:21 <@Dickie> And that's just fast food
17:21 <@klixa> Dickie: ok, so afforability then rather than convenience
17:21 <@klixa> ?
17:21 <@Dickie> Expensive things are inconvenient
17:21 <@klixa> ok
17:21 <@benthemeek> Dickie so your hesitation with meat is the suffering that went into the product?
17:21 <@klixa> if you dont cook, its hard to find stuff that doesnt have some sorta meat derivative in it too
17:21 <@klixa> like rennet in cheese
17:22 <@Dickie> Precisely
17:22 <@Dickie> benthemeek: yes
17:22 <@benthemeek> I can't fault you for it but we all evolved eating each other
17:22 <@klixa> benthemeek: ?!?!
17:22 <@benthemeek> I guess if we can one day grow meat in a jar all our problems go away
17:23 <@Dickie> I understand that, but neutral isn't good
17:23 <@Dickie> it's neutral
17:23 <@Dickie> I'd like to be good
17:23 <@klixa> benthemeek: meat still isnt all that healthy for you (in large quantities)
17:23 <@Dickie> as long as it's convenient
17:23 <@klixa> so growing it in a jar fixes the ethical side
17:23 <@Dickie> I would eat synthetic meat
17:24 <@klixa> i watched a documentary about turkeys last week... they ruined my guilt free eating of birds
17:24 <@klixa> turkeys are cool
17:24 <@benthemeek> Is it in the realm of posibility that in the far future the same arguement will be made about plants?
17:24 <@klixa> benthemeek: o
17:24 <@klixa> no*
17:24 <@Dickie> Your said possibility.
17:24 <@Dickie> You*
17:24 <@klixa> that will always be a fringe argument
17:24 <@benthemeek> causing death to feed yourself... ?
17:24 <@Dickie> so yes
17:24 <@Dickie> Yes
17:24 <@benthemeek> I think it could happen
17:25 <@klixa> i dont think it will
17:25 <@Dickie> We cause death to do everything, though
17:25 <@Dickie> plants are in everything
17:25 <@benthemeek> We just need that stuff they had in the matrix
17:25 <@klixa> fruit doesnt cause deat
17:25 <@klixa> death*
17:25 <@benthemeek> Then we could eat ethically
17:25 <@klixa> fruit is a death free food
17:25 <@benthemeek> SOLYENT GREEN!
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17:25 <@klixa> fruit falls off the tree anyway
17:26 <@klixa> you arent destroying anything at all to eat fruit or nuts
17:26 <@benthemeek> Klixa what if we only kill the very old or slow from herds
17:26 <@Dickie> Consume the dead!
17:26 <@benthemeek> We help their evolution process along
17:27 <@benthemeek> Killing the old/slow from herds isnt too far off picking the fruit off trees I think
17:27 <@klixa> benthemeek: ehtically i dont think the death of a sick/old person is  more ethical than killing a young healthy animal
17:27 <@benthemeek> At least it made sense when I said it at first
17:27 <@klixa> eating fruit would be like eating an animals fur
17:27 <@benthemeek> but what if it was going to die anyway like a fruit
17:27 <@klixa> ehtically speaking
17:27 <@klixa> its discarded and not used
17:28 <@Dickie> Unless it "hurts" to remove it
17:28 <@klixa> fruit falls off naturall...so wait
17:28 <@klixa> if you care
17:28 <@benthemeek> So you are thinking like cheese and butter
17:28 <@Dickie> A definition that may or may not change
17:28 <@Dickie> We're way too far off from the plant argument, though.
17:28 <@NotLarry> the vote for officers tonight?
17:29 <@klixa> the plant argument goes nowhere tho, you cant sotp eating plants
17:29 <@klixa> you can sotp eating animals
17:29 <@NotLarry> klixa, I can't.
17:29 <@klixa> thats why the plant thing will only ever be an intellectual idea
17:29 <@benthemeek> I read something this past year about plants feeling pain from catepillars> I am not disagreeing with what you guys are saying I am just wondering where the line will finally get drawn
17:29 < _NSAKEY> Question for the channel: Where is a good place to park for the Nashville meeting?
17:29 <@klixa> NotLarry: :P
17:30 <@klixa> benthemeek: they dont feel pain... they dont have a brain to process that signal
17:30 <@klixa> thats pop science personifying it
17:30 <@klixa> err, anamo...whats that word... pregnancy brain sucks
17:30 <@benthemeek> If you get there around 6 there is usually a slot up at JJ's otherwise behind on the noshville parking
17:30 <@benthemeek> even though technically that is not allowed, I am just reporting what happens :P
17:31 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Any open parking at all nearby? I don't mind walking.
17:31 < _NSAKEY> Just don't feel like rolling the dice on getting towed.
17:31 <@klixa> anthropomorphizing
17:31 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: yes
17:31 <@Evilpig> just park behind JJs in the lot marked "noshville only"
17:31 <@benthemeek> I drive from murfreesboro and dont know much about the area honestly
17:31 <@NotLarry> I'm gonna park right down in front and you know what they can do about it if they don't like it?
17:31 <@NotLarry> They can ask me to move...
17:32 <@klixa> NotLarry: dude, thats hardcore
17:32 <@NotLarry> ikr
17:32 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: My drive isn't as bad, but I'm going to go ahead and head that way now.
17:33 <@benthemeek> oh you will find a spot at jjs or the gallery then
17:33 <@benthemeek> I guess I should too
17:33 <@klixa> benthemeek: reacting ti stimuli is not the same as "feeling" anything and plants have no central nervous system nor any other method to "feel" pain...
17:33 <@benthemeek> I have enjoyed my half day off today :P
17:34 <@benthemeek> klixa: We can anthropomorophize everything
17:34 <@benthemeek> including animals and what pain is
17:34 <@klixa> animals have brains
17:34 <@klixa> and central nervous systems
17:34 <@klixa> and do feel pain
17:34 <@benthemeek> what if you put the cows to sleep or anestize them or something
17:34 <@klixa> we arent having teh same conversation
17:34 <@klixa> i dont care about aniamls
17:34 <@benthemeek> Is it pain? Is it self awareness?
17:34 <@klixa> i would kill an animal and eat it if i were hungry and think nothing of it
17:35 <@klixa> my own survival is prioroty #1 for me
17:35 <@klixa> i dont care if eating an animal is ethical
17:36 <@Dickie> And in time, that opinion will be labelled as small minded and monstrous
17:36 <@Dickie> But we may all be dead by then
17:36 <@Dickie> So pass the bacon
17:36 <@klixa> well, we are omnivores
17:36 <@benthemeek> Well my conversation was just in regards to the ethical line of when you decide killing another living thing is okay. I have no problems with it ether. If I had to do it myself though I would probaly most eat plants because dealing with butchery would not be fun
17:36 <@klixa> benthemeek: if you were starving you could do it no issue
17:37 <@klixa> i think humans eat way too much meat tho...and maybe thats unethical... i think torturing and killing for elephant tusks, etc is bad
17:37 <@benthemeek> I eat lots of  bacon now
17:37 <@klixa> um, ok
17:37 <@klixa> id you just discover it?
17:37 <@klixa> :P
17:37 <@klixa> did*
17:38 <@benthemeek> I am just saying this is all theoretical. I practice of eating has nothing to do with playing around with this idea.
17:38 <@klixa> oh wow, i thought people only talked about htings they believe and follow...thanks for informing me otherwwise
17:38 < aestetix> klixa: let's have sex
17:39 <@Dickie> Catty.
17:40 <@klixa> Dickie: sexist :P
17:40 <@klixa> lol
17:40 <@Dickie> Nonsense. brimstone is catty, too.
17:40 < aestetix> klixa: don't worry it won't take long
17:41 <@NotLarry> So, who is running for what tonight?
17:42 <@benthemeek> Jesus=mythology=vegetarianism... and now sex
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17:42 <@benthemeek> I think I will go to nashville
17:42 < aestetix> klixa: do you like anal?
17:42 <@NotLarry> For the sex?
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17:42 < aestetix> ohhh you play dirty
17:42 <@benthemeek> NotLarry: We are all planning to run as the same thing and elect ourselves into the same positions for now
17:43 <@benthemeek> I think it will cause less drama, though many disagree with our the president continuing in his stead
17:43 <@NotLarry> But I got this new job, with time off, I want to run for something
17:43 <@klixa> aestetix: no, dirty would be /mode +b
17:43 <@klixa> kick is just a friendly STFU
17:43 <@oddball> NotLarry: for president!
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17:44 <@Dickie> I seem to have filtered joins on this channel somehow
17:44 <@Dickie> Better take a look under the hood
17:44 <@NotLarry> That is Dickie for you, going straight to anal.
17:45 <@NotLarry> Running lamp on android, anyone played with the stuff in the app store?
17:45 <@NotLarry> Any recomondations?
17:46 <@NotLarry> Damn, just found a bit of turkey heart in my beard and I'm not sure if it is from the turkey I cooked last night or the one I cooked last week.
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18:02 < RangerZ> Mithra probably
18:03 < RangerZ> fucking scroll stopped
18:03 < RangerZ> so nvm
18:05 <@Bahhumbug> Oh look, aestetix being a douche again.
18:05 <@Bahhumbug> Who woulda ever thunk it?
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18:27 <@oddball> ok, off to the meeting
18:28 <@Evilpig> kick dru in the nuts for me
18:29 <@Dickie> passionately kiss him for me
19:07 <@brimstone> a hearty handshake from me
19:07 <@brimstone> really mixed signals
19:14 < Synx|hm> fuck fuck fuck
19:15 <@Dickie> A little foreplay first, please
19:16 < Synx|hm> ya i did that, unassociated 500 virtual IPs from a windows server accidentaly
19:16 <@brimstone> wtf is a windows server doing with 500 vips?
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19:17 < Synx|hm> emulating 500 avaya h323 9620 phones
19:17 < Synx|hm> but ya i get your point
19:17 <@brimstone> Jesus H. Christ
19:18 < Synx|hm> praise the lord it survived
19:19 < Synx|hm> the real question is what fucking dumb ass installed both mcaffee and symantec suites on a fucking server that does real time media xfer
19:30 < Synx|hm> this is the fucking slowest server ever
19:31 <@brimstone> I WONDER WHY
19:31  * brimstone flushes Synx|hm's arp table
19:31 < Synx|hm> it amazes me my company was shipping windows server 2003 boxes up a few weeks back
19:31 <@brimstone> if it makes money, don't fix it
19:32 < Synx|hm> thats their moto, slap a fancy new name on the turd of a product from 15 years ago
19:32 < Synx|hm> actually its a cool product just in need of a serious re-write/update
19:33 < Synx|hm> ok im off for a bit
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19:44 <@Dickie> You ain't seen my balls
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19:55 <@brimstone> npcomp: talk to Dickie more
19:55 <@Dickie> I'm facinating.
19:55 <@Dickie> I make friends for life.
19:56  * Dickie clings to brimstone
19:56 <@brimstone> srsly
19:56 <@brimstone> he makes friends for keeps
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20:11 <@Bahhumbug> Cute.  For all Tilghman's talk of not wanting to be treasurer guess who is treasurer still...
20:12 <@klixa> are all the officers the same?
20:13 <@Dickie> Officerist
20:14 <@brimstone>     NotLarry and Jonnyx are running for President: jonnyX wins the nomination with 7, NotLarry 4
20:14 <@brimstone>     NotLarry and Andrew M. are running for Vice President: Not Larry wins the nomination 7, Andrew 4
20:14 <@brimstone>     BenTheMeek is Secretary unopposed
20:14 <@brimstone>     Tilghman is Treasurer unopposed
20:14 <@Bahhumbug> No, Dick^h^hnk is out as VP and NotLarry is in.
20:14 <@klixa> yay for NotLarry
20:14 <@Bahhumbug> Boo for whatever cabal gave dru 7 votes.
20:14 <@Evilpig> well I know two idiots that voted dru for president
20:15 <@Evilpig> the other 5 should be shot as well
20:15 <@klixa> i know who 1 was
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> s/shot/ashamed/
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> Or shot.  I don't really care which.
20:15 <@Evilpig> guess it doesn't matter to me since i'm out 
20:17 -!- Evilpig changed the topic of #se2600 to: Geeknic :: March 20-22, 2015 http://geeknic.info
20:17  * brimstone ... doesn't change the topic
20:18 <@Dickie> 4 MORE YEARS!
20:20 -!- brimstone changed the topic of #se2600 to: Geeknic :: March 20-22, 2015 http://geeknic.info | 4 MORE YEARS!
20:20 <@Dickie> So SpringNIC was cancelled?
20:20 <@Evilpig> it was never gonna happen
20:20 <@Dickie> YOU TAKE THAT BACK
20:20 <@Evilpig> dru didn't have the authority or the money to make it happen
20:20 <@brimstone> well, the website hasn't been updated
20:21 <@brimstone> SURPRISE SURPRISE
20:21 <@Dickie> He does now
20:21 <@Evilpig> no he doesn't
20:21 <@brimstone> now?
20:21 <@brimstone> he was pres then too
20:21 <@Evilpig> the organization was founded on the idea of running ONE convention a year
20:21 <@Dickie> Executive order
20:21 <@Evilpig> that's how it is filed with the state of tn
20:21 <@Dickie> Support your president
20:21 <@Evilpig> not mine
20:21 <@Dickie> "I didn't vote for 'em"
20:22 <@Dickie> You're either with them or against them
20:22 <@Dickie> 9/11
20:22 <@Dickie> I'm done.
20:22 <@Dickie> Sorry
20:25 <@NotLarry> Dink said he'd rather not be vp again this year.
20:26 <@NotLarry> I told them I just wanted to run for office.
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> s/be vp/bail it out/
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> NotLarry: Congrats
20:26 <@NotLarry> Well, with the new job, did I mention I got a promotion?  First day job ever!
20:27 <@NotLarry> With the new job I should have some personal time to put towards working with everyone on ph19
20:27 <@NotLarry> s/ph19/pn19
20:27 <@Dickie> Please not on Halloween
20:27 <@Dickie> pleeeeeease
20:28 <@Evilpig> Dickie: shhhh your opinion doesn't matter
20:28 <@Evilpig> dru has a plan and you aren't a part of it
20:28 <@NotLarry> Noted.
20:28 <@Dickie> I believe in Dru.
20:28 <@Dickie> Because I'm a patriot
20:30 <@Dickie> But I'm an old man now. I gots kids. I have to stay here and be a part of their lives on Halloween.
20:31 <@NotLarry> I understand
20:31 <@Dickie> Super gay, I know, but I figure I'd give this parenting thing the ole' college try.
20:32 <@NotLarry> Dickie: If you the natural reproduction is "Super gay" then I think we need to have a little talk...
20:32 <@klixa> Dickie: how old are your kids
20:33 <@Evilpig> not old enough to understand that he's super gay
20:33 <@Dickie> 2.5ish and >2 months
20:33 <@NotLarry> klixa: Help me out.  Apparently Dickies friends have confused him on what gay is...
20:33 <@Dickie> The ones I know about, that is
20:33 <@Dickie> Gay is a food, right?
20:33 <@NotLarry> right, like you have had sex more than two times.
20:33 <@klixa> that pick of Dickie and teh chicken is pretty gay
20:33 <@klixa> pic*
20:34 <@Dickie> dick*
20:34 <@Dickie> I'm lost.
20:34 <@NotLarry> Gay is a right.
20:34 <@Dickie> AMEN
20:34 <@Dickie> We're behind you, brimstone
20:34 <@NotLarry> Unless your are in the tea party, then it's a left.
20:34 <@Evilpig> pretty sure gay means you're like klixa and LOVE the cock
20:34 <@Dickie> lol klixa's a gay
20:34 <@Dickie> burn
20:35 <@klixa> Dickie: i guess we are both gay then
20:35 <@klixa> i have a picture of dickie playing with cock
20:35 <@NotLarry> I don't know if she loves it, but like Dickies so, she was willing to take one or two for the team.
20:35 <@Dickie> It's a hen!
20:35 <@klixa> Dickie: sure it is, sure
20:36 <@Dickie> I'm going to go take a shower now.
20:36 <@Dickie> Please picture me naked.
20:36 <@Dickie> Thanks.
20:36  * Evilpig barfs
20:36 <@Evilpig> damnit Dickie 
20:36  * NotLarry Can't remember what Dickie looks like, thinks about klixa instead.
20:37 <@NotLarry> So, I got a 23 year old girl friend on facebook
20:37 <@NotLarry> Well, she doesn't know it yet, but still...
20:37 <@brimstone> NotLarry: congrats
20:38 <@klixa> i have cut down my facebook usage... deleted everyone but family... and if they used email id just outright delete it
20:38 <@NotLarry> She sent me her amazon wishlist...
20:39 <@NotLarry> http://tinyurl.com/oovwgjk
20:40 <@NotLarry> That's what I'm getting her.
20:41 <@klixa> free pen LMFAO
20:41 <@klixa> pin*
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20:53 < npcomp> Hi Dickie!
20:54 <@Dickie> HAY BUDDY
20:54 <@Dickie> NotLarry: I'm hurt
20:54 <@Evilpig> Dickie: more lube
20:58 < npcomp> Ouch
21:04 < RangerZ> Dickie: don't worry
21:04 < RangerZ> NotLarry: is much more hurt than you, he got suckered into nashville2600 VP
21:05 < RangerZ> you know... I didn't win a month of free rent... and the title was Bahhumbug
21:05 < RangerZ> :/
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21:05 < RangerZ> of my 'sucks for you' email
21:05 <@NotLarry> Dickie: "<@Dickie> We're behind you, brimstone"  I'm thinking brimstone is the one hurting...
21:07 <@Dickie> No way. I'm very considerate.
21:07 <@Dickie> We take it slow.
21:11 <@Dickie> Gotta think about resale
21:14 < RangerZ> and he says "its only the tip, its ok" at first...
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21:34 < npcomp> 世界
21:34 < npcomp> Ohhhh,
21:34 < npcomp> it worked for brimstone!
21:34 <@brimstone> npcomp: ☭
21:35 <@brimstone> npcomp: ♥
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22:31 <@oddball> NotLarry: Ah, that safety pin is a proper kilt pin.
22:32 <@oddball> It's purpose is largely to be a weight to stop the kilt flapping around in the wind.
22:37 <@klixa> oddball: lol
22:38 <@klixa> oh wait, you mean keeps it closed i guess...im thinking like weighing it down so it doesnt blow up
22:38 <@oddball> To keep the front flap weighted down.
22:39 <@oddball> he pin should not be holding anything together.
22:40 < Synx|hm> so my step mother does not understand that her amazon wishlish is public
22:40 < Synx|hm> lets just say there are some things on there she probably does not want her family seeing
22:40 <@oddball> so... nothing but dildos and errotica?
22:40 < Synx|hm> yup
22:41 <@oddball> oh dear
22:41 <@oddball> Buy one for her.  I betcha it will only take one.
22:42 < Synx|hm> haha
22:42 < Synx|hm> its my step mom dude could you imagine the look on my dads face
22:42 < Synx|hm> he'd think there was something going on
22:43 < Synx|hm> this wx blows btw
22:43 <@oddball> get it on video, then submit it to America's Funniest Home Videos.
22:43 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: have it gift wrapped and delivered saying its from your dad
22:43 < Synx|hm> ha we could be on the show
22:43 < Synx|hm> actually thats brilliant
22:44 < RangerZ> 'what do you mean you didn't buy me this'
22:44 <@Dagmar> lol
22:44 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: give us the list. then you can claim ignorance
22:44 < Synx|hm> haha
22:47 <@Dagmar> Screenshot, depersonalize, and post to Reddit as a PSA.
22:47 <@Dagmar> THOUSANDS of upvotes
22:47 < Synx|hm> the charma i could have
22:47 < Synx|hm> ive already been guilded twice, i think thats enough for a lifetime
22:48 < Synx|hm> IN CASE YOU ALL DIDN'T KNOW, I'M TWICE GILDED
22:48 < Synx|hm> so im like royalty here
22:48 <@Dagmar> What's gilded?
22:48 <@Dagmar> Someone donated you Reddit Gold or something?
22:48 < Synx|hm> where someone gives you reddit gold
22:48 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Someone would just de-anonymize it somehow and find the actual wishlist.
22:49 < Synx|hm> ha very likely
22:49 < _NSAKEY> Then she would probably get everything on her list, at least.
22:49 < Synx|hm> haha true
22:49 <@Evilpig> just post the list and then sit back and laugh when the dongs begin to rain
22:55 <@Dagmar> This is true.
22:55 <@Dagmar> There's a loooot of people on the internet who would spend $20 for that kind of laugh
22:56 < Synx|hm> ha
22:56 < Synx|hm> it'd be a hoot
22:57 < Synx|hm> (one of my cowokers (about 20 years my senior) said hoot today)
22:58 < Synx|hm> OMG this is awesome...
22:58 < Synx|hm> so i do VoIP testing for a living
22:59 < Synx|hm> i was on a test about 2 weeks ago with a customer i am on with tonight
22:59 < Synx|hm> their hold music for the conf bridge was so fucking bad i made a note to bring it up and said if i were a customer id cancel my account
22:59 < Synx|hm> tonight...
22:59 < Synx|hm> its fucking awesome
23:01 <@NotLarry> oh fuck me
23:04 <@Evilpig> ?
23:05 <@oddball> Just now sinking in that you've agreed to take on responsibility?
23:09 < Synx|hm> someone just flushed the toiled on this confg bridge
23:09 < Synx|hm> thats a first for me
23:09 < Synx|hm> i farted once off mute
23:09 < Synx|hm> toilet
23:09 <@oddball> Oh god, I hate that.
23:10 <@oddball> I once witnessed a guy chatting on the phone walk into the bathroom, take a leak, and walk out.
23:10 <@Evilpig> oddball: was it me?
23:10 <@oddball> nope
23:10 <@oddball> HR guy for a previous employer
23:13 < Synx|hm> my first week at this job, we use lync for most calls but i was on a gotomeeting not realizing it was using my laptop mic, so i hit mute on my headset and proceeded to drop an amazing string of explitives
23:13 < Synx|hm> got a hit IM from a sales guy on the call "YOU ARE NOT ON MUTE!!"
23:13 <@oddball> heh
23:13 <@oddball> oops
23:14 < RangerZ> lol
23:14 < RangerZ> i did that at the call center... I was training a new hire... and I got a 'real' call on my 'SHOULD BE DEAD LINE'
23:14 < RangerZ> so ... saying "hello thank you for calling ___, where no one cares, and we can't help you"
23:15 < RangerZ> .... as an example of what not to say....
23:15 < RangerZ> hehe
23:15 < Synx|hm> haha
23:17 < RangerZ> not as bad as when I got written up for telling a guest that the hotel 'tech' (plumber) made their laptop FUBAR, because he installed the 3com driver on their broadcom nic
23:17 < RangerZ> FUBAR was my POLITE way of saying it
23:17 < RangerZ> lol
23:17 < Synx|hm> ha nice
23:30 < RangerZ> Marvel Casting: Deadpool Movie Ryan Reynolds, Doctor Strange Benedict Cumberbatch
23:30 < RangerZ> Marvel is just like "fuck you DC"
23:31 < RangerZ> also... "it prints money"
23:32 <@Evilpig> and then they announced that deadpool will be pg13 and said fuck you fanbase
23:34 < RangerZ> nah, Disney likes money too much for that
23:35 < RangerZ> OR they would do the South Park movie thing... put in worse jokes that the censors just don't get
23:35 < RangerZ> lol
23:36 <@Evilpig> wasn't southpark rated r?
23:36 < RangerZ> yeah
23:36 < RangerZ> but they were getting NC17 over and over at first
23:39 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QScdEQ83sKs .... fucking bullshit
23:40 < RangerZ> b/c ... fucking Independence ohio... is not far from keystone cops...  so if THEY declare him hopeless... then FFS
23:41 < RangerZ> "neither time nor training would ever correct this guy"
23:41 < RangerZ> fucking bullshit
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