--- Log opened Tue Dec 02 00:00:02 2014 00:14 < aestetix_> Dagmar: did all the people you knew in the raver days turn into conservatives? 00:17 <@shapr> I'm a conservative raver. 00:18 < aestetix_> shapr: as in, they discovered jesus and became anti-drug 00:18 < aestetix_> Also, babies. 00:22 < aestetix_> on an unrealted note 00:22 < aestetix_> wtf are emotional support animals 00:22 < aestetix_> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/12/if-you-have-an-emotional-support-animal-you-are-an-asshole/ 00:27 < aestetix_> ok this is funny 00:27 < aestetix_> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed 00:32 <@shapr> and somedays you realize that banging a sack of angry porcupines would be safer 00:33 < aestetix_> I love the part where she takes a pig on an airplane 00:55 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: if you use those colors on a website you are an asshole 00:56 <@oddball> NotLarry: Decided things were bad enough that it was better to say "fuck IT?" 01:00 <@NotLarry> I'm still in IT 01:01 <@oddball> Ah, thought you were moving to "facilities" as in maintenance. Mistunderstood. 01:03 <@NotLarry> Facilities as, not answering the fucking noc phone or dealing with the big boards. I'll be doing shit like the power, where servers get racked, crac maint and repair. All the shit I do now and Titus won't be my supervisor. 01:10 <@oddball> Ah, nice 01:11 <@oddball> So... they decided to split off all the actually interesting work from the NOC into its own thing? 02:34 < RangerZ> aestetix_: 2000 sq.ft. house.... 3bedroom, 2 and 2x1/2 bath, 2 car garage, rent = 900/mo 02:39 <@Bahhumbug> Trollolol 02:39 < RangerZ> pretty much 02:39 <@Bahhumbug> :D 02:39 < RangerZ> lol 02:44 < RangerZ> spent a week moving my mom... so i need some stress relief 02:44 < RangerZ> lol 03:24 <@Dagmar> Oh ho 03:25 <@Dagmar> Murfreesboro cops in the news for an abusive DUI checkpoint again 03:26 <@Dagmar> ...becuase they're violating the law... AGAIN 03:38 < RangerZ> awww shucks... 03:38 < RangerZ> ...again... 03:40 <@Dagmar> They show the M'boro police doing a roadblock, and drivers turning around before they get there... only to have the THP go after them 03:40 <@Dagmar> Problem being it's fucking legal to do that 03:40 <@Dagmar> Like, it is _explicitly_ legal to simply not drive through a DUI stop 04:51 < RangerZ> because, lets be honest... we would ALL avoid a stop if we could easily do so, just to avoid hassle 05:04 < RangerZ> HAHAHAHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqOao3PLaEk 05:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Video Game Reviewer Contacts The Mothers Of Online Harassers - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 05:15 < RangerZ> aestetix_: THIS is why children should have to use real names online 05:15 < RangerZ> hehe 05:20 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW042DSaGgM good, b/c fucking FIFA is more corrupt than Ferguson PD 05:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sony To Stop FIFA Sponsorship, Claims Report | Apparently Due To Sponsorship Costs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 06:19 < aestetix_> RangerZ: it's raining again 06:45 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:20 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 08:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 08:47 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 08:47 < Synx|hm> lovely morning in nashville 08:49 < aestetix_> it's still raining 08:49 < aestetix_> I love this 08:52 < Synx|hm> https://fundly.com/stop-scott-stapp 08:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Stop the lead singer of Creed from making a... | Fundly (at fundly.com) 08:59 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: haha 09:00 < Synx|hm> this comment thread on reddit is hilarious 09:00 < Synx|hm> https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/2nxzau/after_declaring_himself_bankrupt_creed_singer/?sort=confidence 09:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: After declaring himself bankrupt, Creed singer Scott Stapp asks fans for $480,000 to record new album. : Music (at www.reddit.com) 09:00 < aestetix_> I wonder how much of this Bill Cosby drama is fueled by the outrage economy along with the fauxminist that also lead to gamergate 09:02 < Synx|hm> i have no idea what you just said, but it reads like a CNN headline 09:02 <@Evilpig> I'm curious to know this bloody mary recipe cosby used that involved beer. 09:07 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #se2600 09:20 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@162.218.105.210] has joined #se2600 09:58 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 09:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 09:58 <@Dickie> Take a bite of a tomato, shotgun an Icehouse 10:23 <@Dagmar> It sounds like "beer" may have been a codeword for something else, like "roofie" 10:25 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-74-177-43-212.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 10:29 <@Evilpig> http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/17/showbiz/bill-cosby-new-accuser-allegation/ "She said Cosby made her a drink that he knew she liked, a Bloody Mary topped with beer known as a Red Eye" 10:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Woman accuses Bill Cosby of sexual assault in the 1960s - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) 10:32 <@klixa> it's so hard to know if this stuff is true, so many women make up this kinda stuff 10:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah but this is a *lot* of women 10:32 <@Dagmar> So, at this point i'll just say "I'm open to the possibility" 10:33 <@klixa> of course it's a possibility 10:33 <@klixa> i think there should be a severe penalty when they know the woman made it up, cause it makes it harder for the women it actually does happen to 10:35 <@Evilpig> I should scan in receipts today 10:35 <@Evilpig> I have a month's worth now easily 10:40 <@Dagmar> It's time to troll the police 10:45 <@Dagmar> Fuck the St. Louis County PD 11:05 < aestetix_> klixa: agreed 11:05 < aestetix_> If there are this many women, statistically one of them would have been able to bring charges during the statue of limitations, with evidence 11:07 < aestetix_> I'm also skeptical because of a lot of the fauxminists who claim that a guy bumping into them has sexually assaulted them 11:23 < aestetix_> https://medium.com/@zoequinnzel/lets-talk-about-ethics-in-games-journalism-6a2fd89069ae 11:23 < aestetix_> this slipped by my twitter filter :/ 11:24 < aestetix_> Dagmar: question you might know 11:24 < aestetix_> Why is it bad to kill a long running mysql query? 11:24 < aestetix_> I know a number of reasons, but wondering more technically... does it create memory leaks or something? 11:28 <@Dagmar> No, you should be able to kill queries 11:29 <@Dagmar> Also, I'd like to point out that there is an Anglophenia Anglo Fan Favourites Man contest 11:30 <@Dagmar> It's a thing that exists, and is awesome. 11:44 <@Dagmar> Hm... so two UT students were arrested for trying to steal Vandy's home plate 11:44 <@Dagmar> Not smart. 11:45 <@Dagmar> THey could have just swept more dirt over it. Vandy students would never be able to find it, because sweeping up is beneath them. 11:53 < aestetix_> fucking 11:53 < aestetix_> gotta add another word to my twitter filter 11:54 <@Dickie> "the" 11:54 <@brimstone> "#" 11:55 < aestetix_> I must say I'm pretty impressed with the range of vocabulary that gamergate generated 11:56 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21 <@brimstone> are they still claiming it's about corruption in journalism? 12:22 <@Dagmar> That's what it's been about all along 12:23 <@Dagmar> The only people who disagree seem to be gaming journalists (no surprise there) 12:26 <@brimstone> it sure seems to take a tangent into womans' rights frequently 12:41 < aestetix_> what's the difference between womens' rights and human rights? 12:41 <@brimstone> it's a subset 12:41 <@brimstone> obviously 12:42 <@Evilpig> ROFL https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/10…5918d731b1&oe=55144CB8&__gda__=1428163678_daca5c118ce50cee852aed8a28b2b8ef 12:42 <@brimstone> that doesn't work with the … in it 12:43 <@Evilpig> damn chrome 12:44 <@Evilpig> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/10434191_832348180141620_5122713508534645874_n.jpg?oh=0323d7db68fdec81ccd3255918d731b1&oe=55144CB8&__gda__=1428163678_daca5c118ce50cee852aed8a28b2b8ef 12:44 < aestetix_> benthemeek: is this you? http://i.imgur.com/C5vlC6g.jpg 12:44 <@Evilpig> slightly bigger. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10434191_832348180141620_5122713508534645874_n.jpg?oh=8acd8ba64e3c2a539192cb52431452e8&oe=55049BE6&__gda__=1427002718_9a7b426701380751b9eaae30952a0034 12:51 <@Dagmar> Lame tho it might be, he has a point 12:52 <@Dagmar> People should not live in fear of being _summarily executed_ by the police 12:52 <@Dagmar> ...particularly when they do not presently represent a danger to other people's lives. 12:53 <@Dagmar> This has been to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court found it to be true, and declared a number of ridiculous "stop and execute" laws to be unconstitutional. 12:54 <@Evilpig> If someone is robbing a store I don't care. Shoot em 12:54 <@Evilpig> Carjacking... shoot em 12:54 <@Dagmar> Just because both initial parties in the Ferguson problem are assholes, doesn't mean there's not things going seriously wrong there. 12:54 <@brimstone> pirating tv shows... shoot em 12:54 <@Dagmar> If someone is running down the street, unarmed? 12:54 <@Evilpig> Oh I agree there are some serious issues going on there 12:54 <@Evilpig> but using that as the reason for this nonsense is silly 12:54 <@Dagmar> Because dude was _148 feet away_ from the cop, and he was still firing. 12:55 <@Dagmar> ...in a _neighborhood_ 12:55 <@oddball> Dagmar: What incident are you talking about? 12:55 <@Dagmar> Gangsters at least fire into houses, rather than just down the damn street 12:55 <@Dagmar> Wilson/Brown 12:56 <@Evilpig> I'm still going back to "attacked a cop" he could have been a mile from the scene when he was gunned down and i'd stand by he got what was coming to him 12:56 <@Dagmar> Wilson's body was 148 feet away from the cruiser. Even if he turned around and began charging the officer, it means the officer was still shooting at an unarmed man at that distance 12:57 <@Dagmar> er Brown's body 12:57 <@Dagmar> If the cop was _really_ in fear of his life after getting punched in the face twice, and then the person _running away_, he's a fucking pussy 12:57 <@Dagmar> He didn't even have a shiner to show for it 12:57 < frsilent> zero sympathy for brown, but alright 12:57 <@oddball> Dagmar: That's news to me. I thought everyone was saying that the last couple shots were at 30 feet. 12:58 < frsilent> your argument is very non-polarized and logically sound /s 12:58 <@Dagmar> oddball: The police actually told more than a _few_ lies to the press 12:58 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately, they couldn't just make up facts during the grand jury trial 12:58 <@Dagmar> ...which is why they settled for _making up laws_ 12:59 < Synx|hm> is sourceforge totally fucked today for anyone else? 12:59 <@Dagmar> frsilent: Both Wilson and Brown were dicks. The media doesn't want to admit it, but that's the case 12:59 < Synx|hm> dont just load the main page, try and click on a project 12:59 <@Dagmar> frsilent: However, the _real_ problem that the media just _refuses_ to talk about is the level of police corruption 13:00 <@Dagmar> The cops started wiping their ass with the Bill of Rights the very first day, and didn't stop 13:00 <@Evilpig> attacked a cop, argument in valid 13:00 <@Dagmar> Not only did they not stop, they just kept going to more and more extreme levels of dickery. 13:00 <@Evilpig> invalid* 13:00 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Frankly, I don't give a shit about the cop or the victim 13:00 <@northrup> attacked a cop != Now I have the right to kill you 13:01 <@Dagmar> I have a *major* problem with using chemical weapons and riot gear on the populace, arresting the press, and incarcerating people for peaceable assembly 13:01 <@Dagmar> That might as well have been Gallatin 13:01 <@oddball> Evilpig: Nope. Sorry. I'm for holding them just as accountable as I would be in a shooting. 13:01 <@Dagmar> It wasn't the freaking ghetto 13:01 <@Evilpig> burning down buildings, flipping cars, BLOCKING INTERSTATES are all not peacable assembly 13:01 <@Dagmar> It wasn't Oakland, or the Bronx, or any particularly "hardcore" place 13:02 <@oddball> The initial shooting? maybe. The shooting at 153feet? That's hard as hell to justify. 13:02 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: That happened two days out of 2000 13:02 <@Dagmar> er 200 13:02 <@Evilpig> that shit happened in multiple locations as well. there is more going on than what is being reported 13:02 <@Dagmar> There were some small amounts of looting during the first two days, which the local citizenry clamped down on pretty fast 13:02 <@Dagmar> ...and that was _not_ the protestors. 13:03 <@Dagmar> ...and let's just flip that standard around, shall we? 13:03 <@oddball> Oh, and the Oathkeepers are going to go after the cops legally for telling them to get off of roofs, since... uh... they apparently had permission of the property owners. 13:04 <@Dagmar> If you want to hold the protestors accountable for the actions of a minority of opportunistic thugs, then you have to also hold the police to the same extreme standard for _executing_ a citizen 13:04 <@Dagmar> _All_ the police. 13:04 <@Dagmar> oddball: Hired, even 13:04 <@oddball> Dagmar: nope. Not hired. They were volunteers. 13:05 <@Dagmar> If the police were truly interested in protecting property over there, they would have deployed guys with rubber bullet guns onto rooftops there the very first day 13:05 <@Dagmar> ...but the behaviour of the police says they were looking to both shit on people's rights, as well as deliberately incite as much trouble as possible 13:05 <@oddball> Which is an important difference, since the cops were using them "operating without permits" as the reason to run them off. 13:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: The cops are probably acutely aware that if they keep pushing people, they _will_ start getting shot at on a daily basis 13:06 <@Dagmar> THey should fucking quit while they're ahead 13:06 <@Dagmar> ...or people should start shooting cops when cops flagrantly violate the law and threaten people's lives and safety 13:06 <@oddball> Oh, yeah. I'm sure the real reason is that they got nervous as hell over the idea of other people having guns. 13:31 <@Dagmar> Well, damn 13:31 <@Dagmar> I just got a job offer as team lead for a security team at $105k 13:32 <@Dagmar> While I have no team lead experience, I'm going ot have to follow up on that one 13:35 <@Dagmar> I should probably say s/offer/lead/;. If I were looking at an offer letter for that I'd take it 13:50 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm pretty sure that if people were likely to shoot back, the police would be considerably more conservative in their application of tear gas grenades 13:51 <@oddball> yep 13:51 <@Dagmar> oddball: The night the lack of an indictment came down, despite the fact that there were problems only on W. Florissant street, the cops started teargassing everyone for blocks around at just about 1am sharp 13:51 <@oddball> Once again back to that difference between a bunch of *unarmed* black people and *armed* white folks. 13:52 <@Dagmar> I was watching a livestream at a coffee house on a perfectly calm street that looked about like Franklin or Murfreesboro's city square 13:52 <@oddball> Hadn't seen reports of that, but not surprised. 13:52 <@Dagmar> Nothing going on, not even large crowds, just a lot of people... and still _tear gas_ 14:01 <@oddball> This is my shocked face 14:02 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Merry Christmas. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html 14:02 <@Dagmar> Wrap your head around item #7 on that list 14:02 <@Dagmar> Go ahead and try. 14:04 <@klixa> as anti porn as i am, wtf 14:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah 14:04 <@klixa> verbal abuse? 14:05 <@klixa> in a fictional film... 14:05 <@Dagmar> The UK feminists will tie themselves into knots over that one 14:05 <@Dagmar> er the seventh item on the list 14:05 <@klixa> i see that water sports is on it, but not scat... not sure what that says about the uk 14:05 <@Dagmar> I won't really feel bad about the name-calling going away 14:05 <@oddball> Oh, the college Naienko went to has apparently stopped calling freshman "freshmen" because it apparently promotes rape. 14:05 <@Dagmar> klixa: Perhaps it's a rights partnership with Germany that prevented it 14:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: So they're formally going to start calling them "noobs" then? 14:06 <@oddball> "first years" 14:06 * oddball reads that list. 14:06 <@klixa> i think this is absurd tho, i mean they are fictional films basically with sex in them... as long as everyone is willing, etc. who cares 14:07 <@oddball> spanking? really? 14:07 * oddball gets to number 7 and flips a table. 14:07 <@Dagmar> well, there's some rather extreme spanking 14:07 <@Dagmar> I suspect that's the reason it's next to 'caning' 14:07 <@Dagmar> We can probably do without extreme degradation in pornography 14:07 <@oddball> I can understand banning caning and "aggressive whipping." 14:08 <@Dagmar> A little light spanking, tho'... I mean, who *hasn't* done that 14:08 <@oddball> Wait... "aggressive whipping" is banned, but any sort of spanking is banned? So... "non-aggressive whipping" is cool? 14:08 <@Dagmar> I do not feel even a little bit pervy by saying that. 14:08 <@Dagmar> oddball: They get to keep passive-aggressive whipping. ;) 14:08 <@Dagmar> ...although I'm not sure how that would work. 14:09 <@klixa> well , i hate all porn, i think its all messed up... but, part of porn is fantasy and escape... are they outlawing these same things in non porn? 14:09 <@Dagmar> Heck there's going to be some perfectly reasonable camgirls in trouble for some of that 14:10 <@Dagmar> No more camgirls in bikinis paddling each other in the UK 14:10 <@klixa> i dont get why female ejaculation would be an issue 14:11 <@Dagmar> Me neither. 14:11 <@klixa> thats like when australia banned small breasts 14:11 <@Dagmar> Perhaps they were unclear on the term 14:11 <@oddball> yeah... that one's definately in the wtf category. 14:11 <@Dagmar> Maybe they think it involves launching the woman out of a cannon of some sort 14:11 <@Dagmar> It kinda seems like they're saying that people can have sex, but the women aren't allowed to orgasm except under very controlled conditions. 14:12 <@Dagmar> Simca: Someone's probably saying "whoops. We forgot to add enough trinkets" 14:12 <@Dagmar> wrong channel 14:25 <@Dagmar> I supposed it's time to start rounding up letters of recommendation 14:25 <@Dagmar> Especially considering I should be able to get them from three or four of my last five direct reports 14:31 <@oddball> Ok... I must be missing the joke in here somewhere. Either that, or the end times are upon us. A Huffington Post op ed supporting open carry? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/three-reasons-why-black-m_b_6245962.html 14:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Three Reasons Why Black Men Should Openly Carry a Gun After Trayvon, Ferguson and John Crawford | H. A. Goodman (at www.huffingtonpost.com) 14:32 <@Dagmar> Now we just have to address the issue of black men in the media acting like fools about how they handle guns 14:32 <@Dagmar> We wouldn't have much of a problem if the common case were they being as stone-facedly serious about it as the majority of white gun enthusiasts 14:32 <@oddball> Well, that's largely because Hollywood is devotely anti-gun. 14:32 <@oddball> They even have a handbook about it (I shit you not) 14:34 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but the common case there in media is white people being like the survival nut from Tremors 14:34 <@Dagmar> ...and black people universally being hyper-aggressive gangster types. 14:35 <@Dagmar> If there was no disparity there, the race issue wouldn't even make a ripple in discussions about gun control 14:36 <@Dagmar> People don't get excited about a Bert Gummer type guy with a rifle 14:36 <@oddball> Oh, and if you're an average joe citizen, you'll either shoot a friendly or freeze up when the bad guy attacks you. 14:37 <@Dagmar> They get super worked up about a black guy with low-hanging pants even carrying a handgun 14:38 <@Dagmar> ...probably because there are very, very few examples in the news of Bert Gummer types shooting a bunch of people. 14:38 <@Dagmar> Comparaively speaking 14:38 <@oddball> By the way, I have now walked around in two major cities, and a small town in southern Ky wearing a kilt and open carrying. There was no panicking in the streets. Pretty sure most people didn't even notice. 14:38 <@Dagmar> They may be nutcases, but they're a type of nutcase people consider to be relatively well-intentioned. 14:39 <@Dagmar> ...but with the amount of TV people watch, a black dude brings up a wholly different set of recollections in their minds. 14:40 <@oddball> Oh, and the bit on TV where if a guy is carrying a gun and isn't a cop, he's automatically a bad guy. White/black/whatever. 14:40 <@oddball> Well, I am a believer that if you wear thug-ware and act a thug, don't be surprised when people assume you're a thug. 14:46 <@Dagmar> I tend to agree. 14:47 < aestetix_> ok how is Docker different from xen or any other vm 14:47 <@Dagmar> Docker uses "containers" 14:47 <@Dagmar> ...which I am still on the fence about. 14:48 <@Dagmar> I personally prefer to have my VMs be a strict represenation of entire virtual hosts. 14:48 <@Dagmar> Containers don't really work like that. THey appear to be more of an attempt to subdivide virtual machines into different security contexts. 14:49 <@Dagmar> The main two reason I'm on the fence about them is that it's still relatively new and not as well-tested/well-understood, and I don't know all that much in the way of fine detail about how they actually make those subdivisions happen. 14:50 < aestetix_> I guess my question is 14:50 < aestetix_> How is a container more secure than a vm 14:50 < aestetix_> or is it 14:51 < aestetix_> oh I see 14:51 < aestetix_> https://www.docker.com/whatisdocker/ 14:51 < aestetix_> ok that's actually useful 14:52 <@klixa> aestetix_: gas prices in the bay? i heard in socal they are under $3...whats the deal wher eyou are 14:52 <@Dagmar> It's not about being more secure, it's about eliminating overhead 14:53 <@Dagmar> Ugh. This is a wholly different "Docker" then 14:54 <@Dagmar> oddball: Is your Dad in Chicago or Detroit? I can't remember 14:54 <@Dagmar> I say this because http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/widespread-power-outage-hits-downtown-detroit-n259876 14:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Widespread Power Outage Hits Downtown Detroit - NBC News (at www.nbcnews.com) 15:06 -!- klixa1 [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa1] by ChanServ 15:06 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: K lined] 15:06 <@klixa1> ^^ yeah, you can do it 15:06 <@klixa1> wrong chan 15:10 <@oddball> Dagmar: suburbs of Detroit. 15:12 <@oddball> Hmmm... I'm trying to remember if my cousin still works at Wayne State university (in downtown Detroit0. 15:15 <@Dagmar> Okay so he's probably fine then 15:16 <@oddball> Yeah. Unless he randomly has to be in court downtown today for one of his clients. 15:18 -!- klixa1 is now known as klixa 15:27 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 15:28 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 15:55 <@Evilpig> this dc meeting has devolved a little. https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqgo1slv4c97hl8/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-02%20at%203.55.11%20PM.png?dl=0 15:58 <@Dagmar> Just a bit 16:36 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 16:47 < RangerZ> oddball: 25~35ft away, with his hands up and facing back towards the cop (via 1 white and 1 hispanic construction workers that were working on site)(so not local and not the same race), but the ..."prosecutor" decided that 'their' testimony wasn't "convincing" , but the 1 eye witness the prosecutor DID think was creditable was a guy 100 yards (yes... football field away) 16:47 < RangerZ> I think the 143 ft or w/e was slight hyperbole, but still 25~35ft or w/e 16:51 <@oddball> Well, 25-35 feet is in the reasonable range to engage if the guy looks like he's charging/about to charge. 16:55 < RangerZ> there is an exact figure, I just haven't had the time to look it up 17:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Unfortunately, the police were just lying about it for months 17:11 <@Dagmar> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/26/1347499/-Why-exactly-did-the-police-lie-for-108-days-about-how-far-Mike-Brown-ran-from-Darren-Wilson 17:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson? (at www.dailykos.com) 17:11 <@Dagmar> You will find this same information in _lots_ of places 17:11 <@Dagmar> It came out during the grand jury 17:12 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, it came out that the cops _knew_ it was 148 feet during the grand jury proceedings 17:12 < RangerZ> ahh 17:12 < RangerZ> then 17:12 < RangerZ> fuck him 17:12 <@Dagmar> By the second day, someone had put together a Google Map of all locations relevant 17:12 < RangerZ> PMITA prison for him if even close to 100ft+ 17:12 <@Dagmar> ...and more than a few days passed while people tried to reconcile the locations 17:13 <@Dagmar> 'cuz the cops were saying 35 feet, and we could *not* figure out which location was supposed to be incorrect 17:13 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-74-177-43-212.mem.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13 <@Dagmar> The number of blatant _lies_ the cops were telling the press just disgusts me. 17:13 < RangerZ> yeah.... 17:14 <@Dagmar> ...and if you called them on it, they'd just say "It isn't against the law to lie to reporters" 17:14 < RangerZ> well then 17:14 < RangerZ> it NEEDS TO BE 17:19 <@Dagmar> I think it should have been prosecuted as fraud, but if they weren't going to even indict on shooting a guy to death, good luck with that 17:24 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@162.218.105.210] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:34 < aestetix_> It's not against the law, but it sure kills any trust the public has in you. 18:47 < aestetix_> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sstjohn/sjwautoblocker/master/block_names.txt 19:02 < RangerZ> umm? 19:02 < aestetix_> god I hate the US 19:02 < RangerZ> twitter 19:02 < RangerZ> ? 19:02 < aestetix_> How is it that having a reasonable health care system is communist? 19:03 < RangerZ> because it is 19:03 < RangerZ> duh 19:04 < RangerZ> lol 19:08 <@benthemeek> aestetix_: nah my girls prefer using blue and then white polkadots after 19:09 <@shapr> argh, brain tired 19:09 <@benthemeek> I am off to the green dragon for a sci/fi book club meet up. 19:10 <@klixa> dork 19:10 * benthemeek nods 19:11 <@benthemeek> I just had to brag about that 19:11 <@benthemeek> I am less than a mile from a LOTR themed establishment 19:11 <@benthemeek> ttfn 19:20 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:26 < aestetix_> yeah fuck the US 19:27 < aestetix_> If we put 1/10th the energy folks are using to target Bill Cosby against the health insurance industry.... 19:28 < RangerZ> ohh don't worry 19:28 < RangerZ> ACA has already fucked insurance companies in the long run 19:28 < RangerZ> b/c a new batch of kids are going to have insurance until they are 27 19:29 < aestetix_> I wish we could abolish health insurance and just have health care. 19:29 < RangerZ> and be like "wtf... why do I have to pay for insurance myself now, and why is it so expensive" 19:29 < aestetix_> But the fucking malpractice lawsuits ruined that. 19:29 < RangerZ> nope 19:29 < RangerZ> thats a red herring argument 19:29 < RangerZ> its the artificial limiting of doctors by the AMA 19:29 < RangerZ> they only let a set number graduate per year, so we don't have a "free market" of doctors 19:30 < RangerZ> and most doctors have to make SO MUCH money each year to pay back their student loans 19:31 < RangerZ> if they didn't have to make that insane amount, then they could afford to work in non-super profit heavy industries, unlike family practice 19:34 < RangerZ> so you use that SJW auto blocker? 19:36 < RangerZ> also... I'd love to see the data on what all names it finds as bad, and the map of those names, etc... 19:37 < RangerZ> because you could easily get people who follow Joss Whedon and someone else, without realizing or promoting stuff 20:14 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:32 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdtupnatmzefmhzz] has joined #se2600 20:33 -!- klixa-cloud is now known as Guest38322 20:33 -!- Guest38322 [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdtupnatmzefmhzz] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34 -!- klixak [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqcymlfvtcbvvwft] has joined #se2600 20:34 -!- klixak is now known as Guest76991 22:37 -!- Guest76991 [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqcymlfvtcbvvwft] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: K lined] 23:55 < aestetix_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14iu4XVTKw2tSAlv3x8ktxQfz550bB_EtoUjNYIdPCpk/edit 23:55 < aestetix_> hahahah --- Log closed Wed Dec 03 00:00:03 2014