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00:03 <@CRasH180> Did you all see this free year of VPN for your phones? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsecure.freedome.vpn.security.privacy.android
00:06 <@oddball> wilpig, Dagmar: yes, it is the fabric of that T-shirt.
00:35 <@CRasH180> This year of VPN is normally $29.99 if anyone cares
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03:55 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKHdEC0fs0 hahaha... GameSpot trolling saying that Akibra'S Trip is a "family game"
03:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tales from the Borderlands, Geometry Wars 3, Persona Q - New Releases - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
04:24 < RangerZ> wow.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYenXFLkKRo gamespot fucking roasted Xbox One ... every one pretty much said "yeah... not worth it, its only a good TV cable box that you can talk to... just don't try to use the controller or... play games with friends... because everyone plays games on the PS4" lol
04:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Is It Time To Buy An Xbox One? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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12:19 <@Evilpig> someone shoot me an email really quick to wilpig@wilpig.org please
12:21 < Synx|hm_> on the way
12:21 <@Evilpig> thx
12:21 < Synx|hm_> sent
12:21 <@Evilpig> just found out why my secondary mail relay wasn't working
12:21 <@Evilpig> DROP       tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
12:21 <@Evilpig> ACCEPT     tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:22 state NEW
12:21 <@Evilpig> ACCEPT     tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:80 state NEW
12:21 <@Evilpig> ACCEPT     tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:53 state NEW
12:21 <@Evilpig> ACCEPT     tcp  --  0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpt:25 state NEW
12:22 < Synx|hm_> heh
12:22 < Synx|hm_> hard to accept if you drop it all first?
12:22 <@Evilpig> yup
12:22 < Synx|hm_> ive learnt that the hard way a few times
12:22 < Synx|hm_> and i still forget
12:24 <@shapr> Evilpig: oops
12:24 <@Evilpig> there's all that secondary mail traffic i was missing all morning.  heh
12:25 < Synx|hm_> :)
12:28 <@Evilpig> well I haven't seen any of my mail yet, but I see all my stepdad's coming through so that's good enough 
12:28 < Synx|hm_> odd mine didn't make it
12:28 < Synx|hm_> sent from gmail
12:29 < Synx|hm_> no kickback
12:29 <@Evilpig> I sent one from gmail too but I think those are just backed up waiting on the relay to come up
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12:36 < Synx|hm_> oh sweet just got a job offer on linkedin
12:36 < Synx|hm_> ha
12:36 < aestetix_> offer?
12:36 < Synx|hm_> well basically, i know the company (i delivered specific product training to them a few months back)
12:37 < aestetix_> I hope nobody actually sent you an offer using linkedin rather than email/phone
12:37 < Synx|hm_> now they are asking if i would like to come work for them full time
12:37 < Synx|hm_> not officaly offer, just a "hey we know you you know us would you like to come work for us?"
12:37 <@rattle> Does anyone know if video is available anywhere of the Back Orifice release talk at Defcon 6?
12:38 < Synx|hm_> back orifice? circa 1997?
12:38 <@shapr> that's old sk00l
12:38 <@rattle> 1998
12:39 <@shapr> rattle: I think I saw a video of cDc releasing Back Orifice once long ago
12:39 < Synx|hm_> hey i was close
12:39 <@shapr> but I thought the video was from CCC or something
12:39 < Synx|hm_> zomg we've come full circle
12:39 < Synx|hm_> CDC - cult of the dead cow
12:39 < Synx|hm_> i was just talking about them a few weeks back on here
12:39 < Synx|hm_> everything i see CDC in the news all i can think of is dead cow
12:39 <@shapr> yeah, they are (were?) certainly interesting.
12:39 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: heh, me too :-)
12:39 <@shapr> except they were cDc
12:39 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: do you read PoC||GTFO ?
12:40 < Synx|hm_> no, but i take it i should?
12:40 <@shapr> I consider that a spiritual successor to the cDc style
12:40 <@shapr> heck YES
12:40 <@rattle> No, Back Orifice was defintally released by the cDc at Defcon 6 in 1998.  I was in the room..  I remember.
12:40 <@shapr> if you have any interest in computer security or cute hacks, you should read PoC||GTFO
12:40 < Synx|hm_> sweet thanks
12:40 < Synx|hm_> rattle: i went to defcon 8 or 9 dont recall and the cDc peeps were all over the place
12:41 < aestetix_> shapr: Travis's thing?
12:41 < aestetix_> I have a printed copy around somewhere
12:41 <@shapr> aestetix_: yeah, I like Travis
12:41 <@shapr> he's a cool dude
12:41  * aestetix_ nods
12:41 < aestetix_> I have known him for several years
12:41 <@shapr> have you met him?
12:41 <@shapr> I haven't met him in person :-(
12:41 < aestetix_> yep
12:41 < Synx|hm_> shapr: this it? https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/
12:41 <@shapr> just chatted with him through various media
12:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: International Journal of Proof-of-Concept or Get The Fuck Out (PoC||GTFO) (at www.alchemistowl.org)
12:41 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: that's it!
12:42 <@shapr> aestetix_: I did meet @fbz and @skytee recently, they're cool people
12:42 < Synx|hm_> sweet thanks
12:42 < aestetix_> ah cool
12:42 < aestetix_> shapr: do you know mlp?
12:42 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: from the latest release: "This issue is a polyglot that can be meaningfully interpreted as a PDF, SWF, ZIP, or ISO file."
12:43 <@shapr> aestetix_: don't know, who is that?
12:43 < aestetix_> shapr: meredith patterson
12:43 <@shapr> hm, sounds familiar
12:44 <@shapr> oh, @maradydd
12:44 < aestetix_> yep
12:44 <@shapr> do not know, but am aware of :-)
12:45 <@shapr> I've know Tim Newsham for years
12:45 <@shapr> known*
12:45 < Synx|hm_> did hangouts just go down
12:45 < Synx|hm_> google says its online
12:45 < Synx|hm_> but not working for me
12:45 <@shapr> I have a cute hack I *really* want to figure out for the next PoC||GTFO
12:45 <@shapr> I think I can make it work
12:46 <@shapr> although I'd need permission from LettError to pull it off
12:50 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/536934034413060096
12:50 < aestetix_> this is insane
12:50 <@shapr> dang, I want one of those jobs
12:50 < aestetix_> shapr: those are INTERNSHIPS
12:51 <@shapr> I've made $100 an hour, but the job wasn't worth it.
12:53 < aestetix_> I don't know what Jane Street is, but $10,400 a month for an intern ship is pretty sweet
12:53 <@shapr> I interviewed with them.
12:53 <@shapr> didn't get the job, but was told I could probably make the intern program
12:53 < aestetix_> what do they do?
12:53 <@shapr> aestetix_: OCaml for HFT
12:54 <@shapr> I was mightily impressed by the knowledge and skills of the interviewers.
12:54 < aestetix_> Still.
12:54 < aestetix_> $10.4k /month for an internship
12:55  * shapr shrugs
12:55 <@shapr> manhattan is not a cheap place to live
12:56 < Synx|hm_> i did an interview with jostens (YUP! the class rings people)
12:56 <@shapr> huh
12:56 < aestetix_> shapr: I live in the bay area
12:56 <@shapr> aestetix_: ok, you win
12:56 < Synx|hm_> seemed like good money could be made if you could stomach interfacing with highschool yearbook crowd all day long
12:56 < aestetix_> In oakland, which has 1/3 the cost of living of SF
12:56 <@shapr> aestetix_: it's $400 a month to rent a house in the center of downtown in Florence, AL
12:56 < aestetix_> god
12:56 <@shapr> the nicest and most expensive apartments here are $600 a month
12:57 <@shapr> multi-story, vaulted ceilings, everything
12:57 < aestetix_> The average rent in SF right now is $3400/month
12:57 < Synx|hm_> shapr: holy shit where od you live!
12:57 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: it's not worth it
12:57 < Synx|hm_> haha
12:57 <@shapr> tiny town
12:57 <@shapr> mind you, my company is looking for more coders
12:58 < Synx|hm_> im planted in nashville for now, need either 100% remote work or an office here :(
12:58 <@shapr> cost of living here is small, money lasts longer
12:58 <@shapr> mostly because nobody has money here :-)
12:58 <@shapr> yeah, that's the problem
12:58 <@shapr> makes more sense to have the company in a big city, and remote workers in cheaper areas
12:58 < aestetix_> shapr: cost of living here basically makes it not worth it
12:59 < aestetix_> everyone is working insane hours to keep their tech jobs that allow them to pay rent
12:59 <@shapr> right
12:59 < Synx|hm_> aestetix_: here's what i learned of living in socali... once i moved out nothing paid enough to afford to move back in
12:59 <@shapr> aestetix_: I might move to socal, but certainly not to SF
12:59 < aestetix_> man if my rent was only $400/month I would be a king
12:59 < aestetix_> instead of barely making ren
13:00 < aestetix_> rent
13:00 <@shapr> you'd get a decent sized house here
13:00 <@shapr> aestetix_: so my approach has always been to work a coupla years at a job like yours, and spend as little as possible
13:00 <@shapr> then take six months or a year off with my savings
13:00 < aestetix_> shapr: around here a salary of 90k is basically poverty line
13:00 < aestetix_> well 90k assumes that you don't go out ever. if that's the case, you can live ok
13:00 <@shapr> right, but I lived pretty well for a year or two with what Boston considered a very small amount of money
13:01 <@Bahhumbug> You live in a fucked up area.  You know you live in a fucked up area.  And you continue to bitch about it instead of moving from the fucked up area.
13:01 <@Bahhumbug> My sympathy meter is pegged at 0
13:01 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: you do realize I'm in the process of moving, right?
13:01 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.  All I ever hear is you bitch about the BA
13:01 < Synx|hm_> aestetix_: what do you do?
13:02 < aestetix_> Synx|hm_: sysadmin
13:02 < Synx|hm_> ahh
13:02 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: yeah I'm leaving the bay area in a little under 3 months
13:02 <@Bahhumbug> Praise Jeebus
13:03 < aestetix_> Even if I were making $200k, I wouldn't want to live here.
13:03 < aestetix_> Because it would be me and a bunch of otheres making $200k. Doing nothing but their jobs.
13:03 < aestetix_> ok /endrant
13:04 <@wilpig> so my server booted up correctly, it was just set to stay off when the power was lost
13:04 <@wilpig> I need to set the server to power off when the ups gets low
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13:31 < Synx|hm_> would anybody put *nix on a resume instead of Linux etc
13:32 <@Evilpig> I wouldn't
13:33 < Synx|hm_> i guess if i were applying for a specific sysadmin role i should list out distros anyways
13:34 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: that makes sense
13:34 <@shapr> I just moved to Huntsville, anyone know of programming jobs there?
13:38 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: you can actually get a roku now and not worried about your younguns having access to my library.  They just added parental controls to it
13:39 <@Evilpig> haha "transcoder quality - make my cpu hurt"  haha
13:44 <@Bahhumbug> Synx|hm_: Yes, I would.
13:44 <@Bahhumbug> Linux != UNIX
13:48 < Synx|hm_> very true, was just hoping to limit space ha
13:48 < Synx|hm_> i'm at a full page with tiny margins and 10pt font
13:49 < Synx|hm_> trying to add technical skills but not cut out from my work history
13:49 <@Bahhumbug> Professional resumes do not need to be limited to a single page.  You end up under-selling yourself if you do.
13:49 < Synx|hm_> all valid points though, ill stick with Linux and if its a sysadmin type role expound on it
13:49 < Synx|hm_> true
13:52 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: that said, anything past two pages will likely just hit the trash though
13:54 < Synx|hm_> what about programming experience, i did x86 ASM about 10 years ago, i can work my way though a C or VB code but i couldn't just sit down and write it
13:56 <@Bahhumbug> Depends; in general.. yes.
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13:56 < Synx|hm_> yes omit it or yes put it on there? i have never had a developer job
13:57 < Synx|hm_> id like to show that im versed in alot of areas and easily adaptable to new roles
13:57 < rattle> My office internet sucks.  http://i.imgur.com/PQ8SgNS.png  http://i.imgur.com/wUouaFA.png
13:57 <@benthemeek> Synx|hm_: Have you worked on Unix flavors before?
13:57 < Synx|hm_> benthemeek: solaris
13:58 < Synx|hm_> minor admin work
13:58 <@benthemeek> Some handy words on resumes might be System V and Posix
13:58 < Synx|hm_> god damn you are a smart cookie!
13:58 < Synx|hm_> :)
13:58 <@Bahhumbug> Synx|hm_: Sorry, my response was to wilpig regarding > 2 pages and round filing cabinets.
13:59 <@benthemeek> A lot of the *nix flavours are System V based and once you understand one you sort of understand most
13:59 <@Bahhumbug> "posix" doesn't really mean much anymore.
13:59 <@Bahhumbug> Even windows is nearly posix compliant.
13:59 <@benthemeek> I knew some solaris and redhat/debian when i started here and my boss said I probaly just needed help with about the 5% difference between it and solaris
14:00 <@benthemeek> I would not even say the difference is that much
14:00 <@Bahhumbug> Umm, it's actually quite a bit more than 5% when you get down to the nitty gritty.
14:00 <@benthemeek> (I am responsible for 150+ unixware machines
14:00 <@Bahhumbug> My condolences.
14:01 <@Bahhumbug> I've not touched a unixware box since the 90s.
14:01 <@benthemeek> Yeah well if certain people get their way we are ripping it all out and going to a windows based cloud app
14:01 <@Bahhumbug> And I am quite happy about that.
14:01 <@benthemeek> I dont know what I will do, ether re invent myself or look elsewhere because I don't want to go back to being responsible for Windows stuff
14:02 <@Bahhumbug> Those people in question need to have their heads ripped off and shoved straight up their asses.
14:02 <@Bahhumbug> Don't you work for HCA or one of the other large medical places?
14:02 <@benthemeek> No
14:02 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, I wonder who I have you confused with...,
14:02 <@benthemeek> I work for a long term care company (IE nursing homes)
14:02 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid memory.
14:02 <@Bahhumbug> That's just as bad, then.
14:03 <@Bahhumbug> HIPPA and "cloud" is a shitty match.
14:03 <@benthemeek> We dont have the cash that big hospitals/ HCA/CHS have
14:03 <@Bahhumbug> HIPAA, meh
14:04 <@shapr> yeah, I gotta deal with that HIPAA in the cloud...
14:04  * shapr sighs
14:04 <@benthemeek> Everything here has to be kept extemly lean.
14:04 <@benthemeek> I wonder how big the guys upstairs eyes will pop when they see the bill and estimated reoccuring costs for the windows cloud
14:04 < Synx|hm_> i wonder if bell labs is hiring
14:05 <@benthemeek> Still a lot of steam behind it so it will probaly happen
14:07 <@benthemeek> Bahhumbug: I'm sure code wise there is quite a bit more difference. Everything behaves the same way pretty much though and has the same theory.
14:08 <@Bahhumbug> HIPAA and "cloud" don't mix.  You're placing the security and sanctity of private data on someone elses bits, bolts and volts yet the onus remains on _you_ for security and privacy.  Any one that would do this should be looking for a new line of work.  Perhaps as a McD's fry cook.
14:09 <@Evilpig> management types do that type of shit regularly
14:09 < Synx|hm_> Bahhumbug: well wouldn't the provider also have to be HIPPA compliant putting some ownus on them as well?
14:09 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: I've been in this business since '81.  UNIX != Linux.  Especially when get into low-level aspects like device drivers, kernel architecture, perforance tuning, etc.
14:09 <@benthemeek> yeah there are liability aggreements and such
14:10 <@Bahhumbug> Synx|hm_: I don't believe that's the case.  I think some push it as a selling point but I believe from a legal standpoint you're still held accountable.
14:10 <@Bahhumbug> I admit, I've not delved deeply into it.
14:10 <@Bahhumbug> I avoid HIPAA as much as I possibly can.
14:10 < Synx|hm_> oh interesting, i am not hippa trainined so honestly i'm just guessing
14:10 < Synx|hm_> same
14:10 <@benthemeek> Yeah you are the "covered entity"
14:11 < Synx|hm_> though i have a few customers who really do their best to pass me HIPAA info
14:11 <@benthemeek> but there are business agreements and such that get signed.
14:11 < Synx|hm_> every fucking time on calls where people want to send me shit "WAIT WAIT, FUCKING STOP... DO NOT SEND ME LIFE CUSTOMER DATA FUCK STICK"
14:11 < Synx|hm_> s/LIFE/LIVE
14:12 <@Bahhumbug> Synx|hm_: Let me guess.  Via non-encrypted email?
14:12 < Synx|hm_> duh!
14:13 < Synx|hm_> never mind that i cant be given the data anyways ha
14:13 <@Bahhumbug> At least some places like gmail do opportunistic tls.
14:13 < Synx|hm_> the ammount of companies that do call center load testing/regression testing with live customer accounts/data blows my fucking mind
14:15 <@benthemeek> Bahhumbug: I don't know enough to be able to even argue that :) So I am sure you are right. I have to change some parameters around and rebuild the kernel in Unixware now and again. But its nowhere near as drastic as learning how to drive a stick from an automatic or something
14:15 <@benthemeek> I cant think of a good analogy
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14:41 < Synx|hm_> anyone ever made a chicken pot roast of sorts?
14:42 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: The overall administration concepts are similar from a high-altitude view; when you start diving into the finer points there are differences in almost all subsystems; and while some components may look the same there are differences, sometimes vast, sometimes miniscule.  Take LVM for instances.  LVM on linux looks and feels like AIX and HPUX but there are low-level differences that can
14:42 < Synx|hm_> i tried a roast of a spatched bird on top of potatoes, carrots in a dutch oven last night, not really super happy how it came out but think there is room enough for improvment to want to try again
14:42 <@Bahhumbug> trip people up; it's more of an implementation-specific thing, however, than a design thing.
14:43 <@Bahhumbug> And pinpointing performance issues are going to be different in both how you attack it and the resources you have for doing so.
14:43 <@Bahhumbug> It's not night and day, and most people that have experiene can switch back and forth without a big deal.
14:44 <@Bahhumbug> experience, even
14:44 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously?  unixware?
14:44 <@Bahhumbug> I'm still boggling at that.
14:45 < Synx|hm_> whats the proper term for an annual review?
14:45 <@Bahhumbug> I thought I was one of the few people left that still touched SCOshit.
14:45 < Synx|hm_> right now im calling it annual performance report
14:48 < Synx|hm_> shapr: that GTFO zine if i open the latest does it just start at 7.3 without any intro/index?
15:13 <@shapr> Synx|hm_: not for me, no
15:27 < Synx|hm_> what the hell is chase quick pay?
15:29 <@CRasH180> A way to drain money from your account faster
15:32 < Synx|hm_> ha
15:32 < Synx|hm_> my property mgmt guy is trying to switch to it i think to send me rent money, but we have the same bank so normally all he has to do is a direct transfer and its instant and free
15:32 < Synx|hm_> wonder why he is trying to change
15:33 <@Evilpig> it has an app?
15:33 <@Evilpig> apps make everything better
15:33 <@shapr> of course!
15:33 < Synx|hm_> ha
15:33 <@Evilpig> https://www.chase.com/online-banking/quickpay  "best mobile app"
15:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chase QuickPay | Online & Mobile Banking (at www.chase.com)
15:33 <@Evilpig> see.  it's the best!
15:33 < Synx|hm_> god damn it hangouts, why when i type a name into hangouts does it not default to my contact list, i want to send this guy a txt from hangouts but all i get is a fucking list of people on google+ with his name
15:34 <@shapr> I swear, I wish Python had more static checking.
15:34 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm_: I have the same problem on my phone where i have a work google account and a personal.  hangouts on the phone doesn't have a way to read both contact lists
15:34  * shapr grumbles
15:35 < Synx|hm_> ugh
15:36 < RangerZ> redbox:"We want to let you know that starting next Tuesday, December 2, the price for DVDs will increase to $1.50 a day, and the price for Blu-ray™ Discs will increase to $2 a day. Starting Tuesday, January 6, the price for video games will increase to $3 a day.*"
15:47 < RangerZ> that kinda sucks
15:47 < Synx|hm_> meh i dont use redbox
15:48 <@shapr> NETFLIX
15:48 < Synx|hm_> netflix, amazon, hbo go, and usenet do everything i need
15:48 < RangerZ> because I spent like 18$ renting Assassin's Creed 4
15:48 < Synx|hm_> oh i see... for games
15:48 < RangerZ> now it'll be like 27
15:48 < RangerZ> for same time period
15:48 < Synx|hm_> how much are they used?
15:48 < Synx|hm_> at that point you would probably be better off buying used and selling after
15:49 < RangerZ> first week 5~10$ off
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16:25 <@Evilpig> ick ick ick.  I hate going near the blackhole but actually having to transfer shit out of it is even worse
16:32 < RangerZ> tumblr's "fuck this shit... but police need evidence" box?
16:33 <@Evilpig> this is the box that has an evidence chain...
16:38 < RangerZ> ahh
16:40 < RangerZ> treat it like ITAR
16:40 < RangerZ> take any HDDs that had that shit on it.... to a firing range... after DoD 7 pass erasure ...
16:44 <@Evilpig> i'd like biohazard stickers to put one these so they aren't confused with anything less toxic
16:48 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iic_qFuJSNM um... I don't see an example of what they are actually claiming
16:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: The "Virtual Rape" Epidemic (DP) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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17:21 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: Someone looking for a linux admin in franklin, guys even persisted and left me a voicemail. I forwarded the email to you if you are interested
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18:24 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/2n9zhv/i_used_to_work_for_sony_pictures_my_friend_still/
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18:32 < RangerZ> "Star Wars Trailer Confirmed to Debut This Weekend"
18:32  * RangerZ twirls finger
18:32 < RangerZ> I'm not really capable of getting hyped over this movie yet
18:36 < eryc_> i've had a nonstop boner
18:41 < rattle> http://i.imgur.com/21TW578.jpg
18:41 < RangerZ> rattle: you know thats in Nashville right?
18:43 < rattle> No, I shared that in this channel for no reason.  And wow, it's funny I didn't notice that, because I lived there for like six years or something like that.
18:43 < rattle> Thanks for pointing that out.
18:43 < rattle> </sarcasm>
18:43 < RangerZ> look, I didn't know you lived in Nashville
18:43  * Evilpig checks the sarcasm meter
18:44 <@Evilpig> either this thing is broken or that was the most serious statement ever made
18:44 < RangerZ> Evilpig: it doesn't handle power cycling
18:45 < RangerZ> you need a managed UPS for it
18:46 <@benthemeek> There are some ancient pictures of Dagmar, Tom, and Dru over on Tom Cross's fb post about hacker barbie right now
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> There are Deathstar buildings in various cities, many of which are of a similar design.
18:47 < aestetix_> RangerZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2MhjBOSLQ
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19:24 <@Evilpig> wow.  these guys are reaching.  http://www.cicret.com/wordpress/?page_id=17920
19:26 < aestetix_> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Shrinking-World-of-Ideas/150141/
19:30 <@Evilpig> i'm not saying they have a bad idea.  i'm saying trying to raise 700,000 euros to make that into a real product is reaching.  the tech to pull that off just isn't there, especially not in that form factor
19:35 <@Dagmar> The world of ideas is not shrinking.  The world of patents is expanding out of control.
19:36 < RangerZ> ThoroughBred 20 in Franklin, TN will have the new Star Wars trailer this weekend
19:36 < RangerZ> Dagmar: just wait... TPP is going to make it even worse
19:36 <@Dagmar> There is not even a chance Circlet will work acceptably
19:36 < RangerZ> allowing big corp. to sue countries to have their local laws changed
19:36 < RangerZ> b/c it doesn't 'fit' what they say the TPP says it allows them to do
19:37 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I forsee the stock price of Pitchforks&Torches (PFT) going way, way up
19:38 <@Dagmar> Pardon me... Cercet
19:38 <@Dagmar> er... Cicret.
19:38 < aestetix_> cerkit?
19:38 <@Dagmar> No that link Wilpig posted
19:38 <@klixa> that product is racist, lol...(seriosuly, woudl it even work on dark skin?)
19:38 <@Dagmar> There's so many problems with the design and use case I'm just boggled
19:39 <@Dagmar> THey're basically requesting 700k euros to prove it's a ludicrous design
19:39 <@klixa> its too small to have a battery that would last a significant time, for one
19:39 <@Dagmar> ...because if they actually knew enough to be able to build it, they'd know why it's not going to work.
19:39 <@Dagmar> The battery issue *might* be disappearing, but...
19:39 <@Dagmar> Projecting a screen on someone's wrist?  No.
19:39 <@Dagmar> Not unless they shave their arm, and wear a hard plastic cuff
19:40 <@Dagmar> Oh... and *don't move*
19:40 <@klixa> well, theres lots of projector devices these days where you interact wiht the projection...it seems it could be possible at some point
19:40 <@Dagmar> ...or twist their arm at all.
19:40 <@Evilpig> klixa: at some point maybe, but the current ones are generally big
19:40 <@Dagmar> ...and the angle of projection is so low, you're going to see every little lump in your skin.
19:41 <@Evilpig> the smallest i've seen is the shitty keyboard one and that's limited to a single color and a tiny resolution
19:41 <@klixa> well then you have things like osmo
19:41 <@Dagmar> If you called up major projector manufacturers and told them you want to project a movie on your popcorn ceiling, and also mount the projector on the ceiling, they'd just hang up on you
19:41 <@klixa> that hting that connects to the ipad and interacts with ral life objects
19:42 <@klixa> then maybe you wear it on one wrist and project onto the other one
19:42 <@klixa> hmm, then you cant uyse yoru fingers, nm
19:43 <@Dagmar> Plus they're showing you in the pictures how they expect it to be used
19:43 <@Dagmar> If your phone has a way to turn on the flash and use it like a flashlight, this will be a perfect example
19:43 <@Dagmar> Turn that on, and then put the phone against your wrist so the LED shines down it
19:43 <@Dagmar> Just LOOK at all the little imperfections in your skin's surface
19:44 <@Dagmar> Human skin is typically neither flat nor even
19:46 <@klixa> also it mentiones 8 sensors...you would need way more than 8 to have any kind of precision
19:46 <@Evilpig> you wouldn't really use a sensor for that.  a camera would make the most sense
19:47 <@klixa> the video mentioned sensors
19:47 <@Evilpig> those people made a flashy photoshop that will grift money from idiots
19:47 <@Evilpig> pretty sure they got money out of my aunt
19:47 <@klixa> the PS isnt even that good, the screen isnt taking the same shape as people's arms
19:50 < aestetix_> klixa: you are such a millennial
20:00 <@klixa> im a year too old to be a millenial aestetix_  :P
20:02 <@klixa> also, i dont use tindr or snapchat
20:06 <@Dagmar> This is pro http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2014/11/24/touch/
20:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Kill init by touching a bunch of files (at rachelbythebay.com)
20:07 <@Evilpig> but klixa you were supposed to be sending me pics via snapchat
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: libnih for the mother fucking loss
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> inotify, and by extension dnotify, are known to have implementation issues.
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> And, sadly, this is not something we can blame on Lennart :/
20:09 <@Dagmar> Yes we can
20:09 <@Dagmar> He's the fucking moron that decided that init should be doing all this stuff
20:09 <@Dagmar> He's the motherfucker who made his systemd fall prey to this
20:10 <@Dagmar> 'cuz it's just NOT that fuckin' hard to send a goddamn signal to init
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> that's not systemd.  That's upstart.
20:11 <@Dagmar> ...but wait!  SysV init doesn't even have to fuckin' CARE if those files have changed
20:11 <@Dagmar> Fuck it.  Blame Poettering anyway
20:11 <@Bahhumbug> And Lennart didn't write libnih.
20:11 <@Bahhumbug> hahaha
20:11 <@Bahhumbug> Works For Me (tm)
20:11 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
20:21 < eryc_> init sucks it should have been replaced a long time ago
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> So's yer mom
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20:32 < aestetix_> this is fun
20:33 < aestetix_> someone stole my debit card.... and bought a subscription to earthlink dialup
20:33 < aestetix_> seriously wtf
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> The 90s called and they want their tech back.
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20:36 <@Dagmar> They're "tasting" the card
20:36 <@Dagmar> ...seeing if you'll notice the charge right away
20:36 <@Dagmar> In the meantime, they'll dial in and use the account for spamming and network vulnerability scanning
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20:44 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that
20:49 < aestetix_> well
20:49 < aestetix_> we deactivated the card over a month ago
20:49 < aestetix_> thus why earthlink called
20:52 <@Dagmar> Well, I guess you know it's been compromised then
20:54 < aestetix_> hmm I hear helicopters
20:54 < aestetix_> oh that would be why. The ferguson verdict is coming soon and they are expecting riots in Oakland
20:56 <@Dagmar> I don't really blame them
20:56 <@Dagmar> There are some pretty serious _lies_ that got outed this week.
20:56 <@Dagmar> ...like how far the kid was from the cop car.
20:56 < aestetix_> I don't see how breaking windows of local businesses helps to fix taht though.
20:56 <@Dagmar> There was a _huge_ gap between what was being said, and what was actually on the record.
20:57 <@Dagmar> It doesn't.
20:57 <@Dagmar> ...what it does do is exposes the lie that this is a "free country".
20:57 < aestetix_> http://revolution-news.com/live-video-from-ferguson-grand-jury-indictment/
20:57 <@Dagmar> We'll almost assuredly see militarized police in Ferguson, stomping on heads, before the night is out
20:58 <@Dagmar> What would be fun would be mass-transit lines running from Ferguson to the nearest cluster of gov't office buildings.
20:58 <@Bahhumbug> If they loot they deserve it.
20:58 <@Bahhumbug> And I fully expect looting.
20:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's amazing how opportunistic people are
20:59 <@Dagmar> Like... how they'll just shoot someone because they know their department will whitewash it all the way.
21:00 <@Bahhumbug> I don't in anyone condone that behavior.
21:00 <@Bahhumbug> I also don't condone looting.
21:00  * Bahhumbug shrugs
21:00 <@Bahhumbug> No matter what the verdict is people are going to riot.
21:01 <@Dagmar> I'm waiting for tanks
21:12 < aestetix_> you know
21:12 < aestetix_> playing NWA seems a lot more appropriate when it is actually black people
21:12 < aestetix_> unlike the protests I've seen in oakland
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21:25 <@Bahhumbug> Rioting to follow
21:31 < Synx|hm_> OMG RIOTS
21:31 < Synx|hm_> EVERYONE RIOT
21:32  * Synx|hm_ runs out the door to raid the quick stop
21:32  * klixa riots
21:33 <@Dagmar> The people doing the streaming need to shut their goddamn mouths and *just* report
21:34 <@Dagmar> THat last link on the Ustream page, that dude is inciting
21:34 <@Dickie> My toddler is currently rioting because I can't find the right Thomas the Tank Engine movie
21:34 <@Dagmar> He's going to have no room to complain when they stomp on his damn head
21:34 <@Dickie> #nojustice
21:34 <@Dagmar> Dickie: Oh you done goofed
21:34 < Synx|hm_> https://i.imgur.com/26Sz3ni.png
21:35 <@Bahhumbug> Streaming was all manner of broken on every site I checked.  I've got CNN on.
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21:38 <@Dagmar> http://revolution-news.com/live-video-from-ferguson-grand-jury-indictment/
21:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Live Video from Ferguson - Awaiting Grand Jury Decision to Indict Darren Wilson (at revolution-news.com)
21:39 <@Dagmar> Livestream and uStream both let you search the index of current streams
21:39 <@Dagmar> They also need to tell ms crazybitch to shut the hell up
21:40 <@Dickie> Jenny McCarthy?
21:40 <@Dickie> Victoria Jackson?
21:40 <@Dickie> Ann Coulter?
21:40 <@Dickie> Sarah Palin?
21:40 <@Dickie> Michelle Bachmann?
21:40  * Dickie lies down
21:44 < Synx|hm_> this guy is about to get his assbeat
21:44 < Synx|hm_> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fergusonlive
21:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: fergusonlive on USTREAM: I started this channel to live broadcast the events that were happening in my local neighborhood. I got tired of hearing how bad e... (at www.ustream.tv)
21:50 < Synx|hm_> i dont get it, what chain of throught drives someone to think "i do not agree with the decisions of the jury, i should go loot some rando's store that has nothing to do with this, that will make this right"
21:50 <@Dagmar> That's not the chain of logic they're following
21:51 <@Dagmar> It's more like "I want stuff, and right now, everyone
21:51 <@Dagmar> 's distracted so I can take it."
21:51 <@Dagmar> Kind of like bankers
21:51 < Synx|hm_> ahh now that makes sense, the looters could care less about what actually happened or the outcome, they just want to take advantage of it
21:51 < Synx|hm_> thanks that clears it up :)
21:51 <@Dagmar> Keep the oversight people busy and powerless, and steal as many homes as you like
21:51 <@Bahhumbug> Looters.  Doubt-tap to center mass, go on with life.
21:51 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck 'em
21:51 <@Bahhumbug> Err, double-tap.
21:59 < Synx|hm_> that has got to suck a huge amout to be a cop standing there in riot gear right now
22:00 < Synx|hm_> all the horrible shit i am sure is being said to them and all they want to do is protect people (at least most of them)
22:10 <@Dagmar> Then maybe they should stop protecting the cops who just want to shoot people
22:16 < Synx|hm_> and tear gas is out now
22:18 <@Evilpig> I wanna gas poor people.  :-/
22:18 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: you too?
22:18 <@Shadow404> i know a couple people that work at redstone, we can make that a reality
22:18 < Synx|hm_> why would they force people out of the streets and gas them? why not just let them protest all night, all this si going to do is make it worse
22:19 <@Evilpig> I wanna bury stupid people up to their necks and line major highways with them too.
22:19 < Synx|hm_> though i have no idea whats going on there so perhaps it was getting out of hand already
22:19 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: on every street light post?
22:19 <@Shadow404> me too
22:21 < Genphlux> They are forcing them out of the street because they are acting like animals.
22:22 <@Evilpig> you know those ridges they line the highways with to let you know you're too close to the edge?   replace those with the heads of idiots.  it will lead to so many wrecks but damn i'd love to drive over a mile of them
22:22 < Synx|hm_> ha
22:23 < Genphlux> Regardless of how anyone feels about anything, civil unrest isn't an option.
22:23 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: This isn't about sense.  This isn't about freedom.  This is about letting the police do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whoever they want, for any reason.
22:24 < Synx|hm_> Genphlux: agree, i wasn't paying much attention when it started so i was hoping it wasn't just precautionary tear gas ya know ha
22:24 <@Dagmar> Because, yeah, they *could* leave those people alone and nothing would happen, but why do that when there's a budget for military weapons that needs to be justified?
22:24 < Genphlux> Law enforcement's top priority is to protect the community.  If a mob is popping off rounds into the air and destroying everything in sight, then it has to be met with force.
22:24 <@Dagmar> THe more they do this, the better equpped they'll be in a few years when people are rioting over _foot_.
22:24 <@Dagmar> er food
22:24 <@Bahhumbug> Genphlux: +1
22:25 <@Dagmar> Genplux: Only problem is, they don't do that on their own
22:25 < Synx|hm_> agreed :) not trying to be contrary here just not fully aware of what is going on real time
22:25 <@Dagmar> There've been people on the streets protesting for hte last 180 days straight
22:25 < Genphlux> As far as the military weapon argument, there is a simple formula for that.  If the public has access to "x", then the police must have "x + 1".  They can't be outnumbered AND outgunned and expect to maintain order.  It's simple math.
22:25 <@Dagmar> Largely, they just stand there and yell
22:26 <@Dagmar> How many cops ahve been shot there?
22:26 < Genphlux> And if they just stood there tonight, they would have likely been left alone.
22:26 < Synx|hm_> Genphlux: that bank robery back in the 90s would be a perfect example of that
22:26 <@Dagmar> The police escalated by showing up in full riot gear
22:26 <@Evilpig> you should be able to do something with the corpse of a mant
22:26 < Genphlux> I can't say that for sure, of course.  But if they've been allowed to "stand there and yell" for th last 180 days, why would today be any different?
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> They showed up in riot gear because they had every expectation that the animals would riot.
22:27 <@Dagmar> Because today is a good day for the police to pretend there was another "serious incident" so they can tear gas everyone again
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> And from what I saw on tv a few minutes ago it sure as shit looked like that was the direction the crowd was starting to lean.
22:27 < Genphlux> They came prepared for good reason.  Emotions ran high the days following the shooting and we saw what happened.  They prepared accordingly.
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> 25 minutes ago they were already chucking shit at the riot cops.
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> That's not a peaceful demonstration.
22:28 <@Dagmar> You guys forget that these are the same police who lied to the press all day about there being no curfew, and then at 10pm sharp, as a coordinated action, opened fire with rubber bullets and tear gas grenades
22:28 < Genphlux> They police backed off a few days after the shooting, turned down the "riot gear", even transitioned control to state police.  They still rioted and looted.  There goes your argument.
22:28 < Genphlux> Thugs will be thugs no matter what.
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> And I realize that it's only a small portion of the crowd doing that, but mob mentality being what it is this type of thing escalates _fast_.
22:28 <@Dagmar> Two days ago there were cops out there, in their normal kit.  No one was throwing anything.
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> That was two days ago.  There was no bullshit verdict two days ago.
22:29 <@Dagmar> Yes it does.  That's how the cops wound up rolling an armored assault vehicle down the street surrounded by 200 guys in full riot gear, three days after Brown was shot
22:29 <@Dagmar> Despite a lot of nothing much happening
22:29 < Genphlux> Saying police in riot gear incite riots is like saying that women that dress provocatively contribute to their own rape.  It's a ridiculous argument.
22:29 <@Dagmar> The police are the ones doing the escalating
22:29 <@Dagmar> No, it's actually not
22:29 <@Bahhumbug> No.  The animals throwing shit at them is what's escalating.
22:30 <@Dagmar> Your mere _presence_ as a heavily armed officer can escalate a situation, very easily
22:30  * Bahhumbug shrugs
22:30 <@Dagmar> ...and guys in full riot gear aren't endanged by people throwing small rocks and cans
22:30 <@Bahhumbug> They are there for a reason.
22:30 <@Dagmar> Yes, to bust heads.
22:30 <@Bahhumbug> And from what I saw that reason was fully justified.
22:30 <@Bahhumbug> No.
22:31 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:31 < Synx|hm_> hey at least most of the sane people are leaving in their cars now
22:31 <@Bahhumbug> To protect the community from a number of animals that are out looking for trouble.
22:31 <@Dagmar> Did you completely forget all the shit those police did when this started?
22:31 < Synx|hm_> that last voly of tear gas dispersed a shit ton of people fast
22:31 <@Bahhumbug> That's not fucking relevant to tonight.
22:31 <@Dagmar> The community "heads" got those loons under control pretty quickly
22:31 <@Bahhumbug> You can get all uppity about it all you'd like.
22:31 <@Bahhumbug> But it doesn't change shit.
22:31 <@Dagmar> ...but hte gov't didn't do anything to rein in the assholes using tear gas and rubber bullets on anyone standing around
22:32 <@Dagmar> It is *quite* relevant
22:32  * Bahhumbug shrugs
22:32 <@Dagmar> Have you heard any of these gunshots yourself?
22:32 <@Bahhumbug> You hjave your opinion.  I have mine.
22:32 <@Dagmar> Do you see anyone tearing down buildings?
22:32 < Genphlux> Let me guess, you also think he shot the kid because he was black and because he could?
22:32 <@Dagmar> Your opinion isn't based on evidence.
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22:32 <@Bahhumbug> You can be right.  I'm ok with that.
22:32 <@Dagmar> Genphlux: That's a near-certainty.  No one unarmed is a threat at 100 feet away
22:33 <@Bahhumbug> And since this is a completely pointless argument I'm going to go do something that's actually productive.
22:33  * Bahhumbug &
22:33 < Genphlux> That statement alone proves that you didn't listen to the evidence.
22:33 <@Dagmar> I did.
22:33 < Genphlux> Well then, you didn't accept it as truth.
22:33 <@Dagmar> Are you not aware the cops were lying about the distance from the cruiser to where Brown fell?
22:34 <@Dagmar> I've had quite a bit of time to watch these feeds of what the cops are doing, see who it is they're targeting, what they're doing, what they're saying
22:34 <@Dagmar> I expect that eventually it'll be happening right here in Nashville, so I'm damn well going to be prepared for it
22:34 < Genphlux> If you can't accept evidence that was reviewed by multiple independent agencies, then you won't accept anything other than what you have already decided in your head, regardless of physical evidence or fact.
22:34 <@Bahhumbug> And you're going to do... what... exactly?
22:34 <@Dagmar> Please cite what the fuck detail you think I've gotten wrong?
22:35 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Whatever's neccessary to fix this shit
22:35 < Genphlux> The first would be the distance.  Physical evidence proves that Brown was inside the vehicle.
22:35 < Genphlux> You yourself said that you believe it's a lie.
22:35 <@Bahhumbug> I will give you a hint, Dagmar.  No matter how upset you are about this.  No matter what you believe yourself able to do.  If you're anywhere near an area where people are rioting you're going to get your skull caved in.
22:35 < Genphlux> So that settles it.  You have your own idea of what the evidence should have said.
22:35 <@Dagmar> Genphlux: If your'e wanting to say I'm one of those people who makes decisions based on the headllines and summaries of news articles, you are talking to the WRONG motherfucker
22:35 <@Bahhumbug> You can strut all you want, but that's the fact of the matter.
22:35 < Genphlux> I didn't say that.
22:36 < Genphlux> If I wanted to say it, I would have.
22:36 < Genphlux> But I didn't.
22:36 <@Dagmar> Dude I don't roll around in a biker jacket for show
22:36 < Genphlux> I'm not sure how that's relevant.
22:36 < Genphlux> I roll around in a hoodie.
22:36 < Genphlux> Mostly for show though...
22:36 <@Bahhumbug> And the cops roll around in fucking RIOT GEAR.
22:36 <@Dagmar> I used to do most pits
22:36 <@Dagmar> er mosh
22:36 <@Bahhumbug> And they are ARMED.
22:36 <@Dagmar> With punks
22:36 <@Dagmar> Where shit would occasionally get broken
22:37 <@Dagmar> Now stop being dickheads
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> And on that note...
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> See ya.
22:37  * Bahhumbug &
22:37 <@Dagmar> Now, put up or shut up, bitches
22:37 <@Dagmar> What piece of evidence is it you think I've gotten wrong?
22:37 <@Dagmar> The cop gunned that kid down because he _could_
22:38 < Genphlux> I'm not sure what that even means.  The official spelled out the evidence, in excruciating detail.
22:38 < Genphlux> You don't accept it as fact.
22:38 < Genphlux> There is nothing else to discuss.
22:38 <@Dagmar> That the kid was over 100 feet away from the patrol car, and unarmed, when he fell
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22:38 < Genphlux> If you don't accept the evidence as fact, there is no way to prove anything else to you.
22:38 <@Dagmar> What's to dispute about it?
22:38 < Genphlux> Whatsoever.
22:38 <@Dagmar> The police _lied_ about it, because they were saying it was less than 40 feet.
22:39 <@Dagmar> ...even though it did not add up, and eventually came out in the last few days that they were very much lying, and knew exactly how far the dude had gotten
22:39 < maleus_> oh wow
22:39 <@Dagmar> Hell the police used rubber bullets on people _sitting down_ that first week
22:39 <@Dagmar> Including a few of their own local politicians
22:39 < maleus_> the ones that were rioting previously?
22:39 <@Dickie> sitting down *maliciously*
22:40 < Genphlux> OK, then you have it all figured out.  It's that easy.  I'm not trying to patronize you; rather I'd love to discuss it in detail.  But if you don't believe the evidence off of which the entire decision was based, then there is nothing to discuss.
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22:40 <@Dagmar> A middle aged black woman sitting on the ground is a real threat
22:40  * Evilpig shoots tear gas at Dickie 
22:40 <@Evilpig> he charged me!
22:40 <@Dagmar> WHAT FUCKING EVIDENCE DO YOU CLAIM I AM IGNORING
22:40 <@Evilpig> you all saw it
22:40 <@Dagmar> So far, you're only talking a bunch of shit here
22:40 < Genphlux> I just said it.  Twice.
22:40 < maleus_> the stuff that the jury used to come to their decision?
22:40 < Genphlux> You say he was shot from over 100 feet away
22:40 <@Dagmar> NO, you did not.
22:41 < Genphlux> The police say the first shots were fired from inside the car
22:41 < maleus_> I just joined, catch me up
22:41 < Genphlux> Unless I misunderstood you, you say that claim is false.
22:41 <@Dagmar> Google it motherfucker
22:41 <@Dagmar> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=distance%20mike%20brown%20shot
22:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
22:41 < Genphlux> Therefore, you disagree with the evidence presented.
22:41 < Genphlux> I'm not sure how much clearer I can be about that stance.
22:41 <@Dagmar> I disagree with lies.  Silly me
22:41 <@Dagmar> It's a personal flaw, I know
22:42 <@Dagmar> I just can't swallow bullshit
22:42 <@Dagmar> That nasty gag reflex keeps kicking in
22:42 < maleus_> What makes you believe they are lying?
22:42 <@Dagmar> The fact that people on the scene were saying it was over 100 feet on day one
22:42 < Genphlux> So is this where I say "Okay, so you don't agree with the evidence?"  and you say "WHAT EVIDENCE AM I DISMISSING???11"
22:42 < Genphlux> so we can circle back around again
22:42 <@Dagmar> The fact that it's actually in the damn police reports that it was over 100 feet
22:42 < maleus_> but they said those reports were conflicting
22:43 <@Dagmar> _In the police reports_
22:43 <@Dagmar> It's not something I read about today, I've been aware of it for weeks now
22:43 < maleus_> So trust the police report but not the police?
22:43 <@Dagmar> I was actually astonished to find out hte police were _still_ teling this lie
22:43 < maleus_> ahh gotcha
22:43 <@Dagmar> When the written reports match up with what citizens on the street say, yeah
22:44 < maleus_> I didn't realize you were privy to special information
22:44 < eryc_> i thought the police report was blank
22:44 < Genphlux> Understand that reports are written immediately following events like this, prior to detailed investigation.
22:44 <@Dagmar> There's no "special" information here
22:44 <@Dagmar> Hell, I watched a dude pace off the distance on a livestream a couple months ago
22:44 <@Dagmar> eryc_: Brown's report was blank
22:44 < eryc_> why is brown's blood on the inside car door
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22:45 <@Dagmar> The coroner and the ME however, don't get to file blank reports, and neither do the people who pick up bodies
22:45 < eryc_> why is brown's blood on the inside car door
22:45 <@Dagmar> eryc: Probably because Brown was a dick who tried to pick a fight
22:46 <@Dagmar> That doesn't excuse murdering an unarmed dude
22:46 <@Dagmar> Cops are supposed to enforce the law, not execute people
22:47 < Synx|hm_> there is seriously fucked up about a law where an officer of said law can use deadly force on a fleeing suspect so long as they are aledged to have commited ANY felony
22:47 < eryc_> i think brown was on bath salts and tried to eat him
22:47 <@Dagmar> eryc: HEhehe
22:47 <@Dagmar> It would definitely explain his weight
22:48 < Synx|hm_> speaking of bath salts whats mcafee up to these days?
22:48 < Genphlux> Synx|hm_, Is that a fact?
22:48 < Genphlux> Synx|hm_, I mean, is that a law in MO?
22:48 < Synx|hm_> Genphlux: possibly but ill be honest i ready it on some shitty website, let me try and get a source ;)
22:48 < Genphlux> That's a legitimate question, not being a smartass.  I honestly don't know.
22:48 < Synx|hm_> no i dont take it as you being a smartass, its a tottally legit question :)
22:48 < Genphlux> I would be surprised.
22:49 < Synx|hm_> give me a few min to drum something up and possibly debunk myself :)
22:49 < Genphlux> Been there no shortage of times myself  :)
22:50 < Genphlux> I can say, however, with a degree of certainty that *TN* law does allow for lethal force to be used in the event that you fear for your life or serious bodily injury.
22:50 < Genphlux> And yes, you can fear for your life or serious bodily injury from an unarmed individual
22:50 < Synx|hm_> Officers are authorized to use lethal force
22:50 < Synx|hm_> in
22:50 < Synx|hm_> order to: I. Protect themselves
22:50 < Synx|hm_> or
22:50 < Synx|hm_> others from what is reasonably believed to be an imminent threat
22:50 < Synx|hm_> of
22:50 < Synx|hm_> death
22:51 < Synx|hm_> or
22:51 < Synx|hm_> serious physical injury; or effect the capture or prevent the escape
22:51 <@Dickie> the enter key
22:51 < Genphlux> You just have to be prepared to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
22:51 < Synx|hm_> of
22:51 < Synx|hm_> a suspect when there is probable cause to believe that:
22:51 < Synx|hm_> a
22:51 < Synx|hm_> the suspect committed
22:51 < Synx|hm_> or
22:51 < Synx|hm_> attempted to commit a felony and:
22:51 < Synx|hm_> b
22:51 < Synx|hm_> the crime involved the use
22:51 < Synx|hm_> or
22:51 <@Dickie> you could have just linked
22:51 < Synx|hm_> threatened use
22:51 < Synx|hm_> of
22:51 < Genphlux> hah
22:51 < Synx|hm_> lethal force and: c. there is a substantial
22:51 < Synx|hm_> ri
22:51 < Synx|hm_> sk that the fleeing suspect will cause death or serious
22:51 < Synx|hm_> ph
22:51 <@Dickie> Tonight we'll be reading the MI state penal code
22:51 < Synx|hm_> ysical injury
22:51 < Synx|hm_> if
22:51 < Synx|hm_> poo
22:51 <@Dickie> strap yourselves in, boys
22:51 < Genphlux> I'm imagining this being verbalized by an awkward robot.
22:51 < Synx|hm_> that did not work out
22:51 < Synx|hm_> http://www.scribd.com/doc/238121104/Ferguson-Police-General-Order-410-00-on-USE-OF-FORCE
22:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ferguson Police General Order 410.00 on USE OF FORCE (at www.scribd.com)
22:51 < Synx|hm_> so i guess it has to be suspect of a felony that involved the use or threatned use of lethal force
22:52 < Synx|hm_> ya i didn't mean to paste that ha
22:52 < Synx|hm_> 410.05 A
22:52 < Synx|hm_> now thats not official state law but i assume would be beased upon one ha
22:53 < Genphlux> Right.
22:53 < Genphlux> So your previous statement was not accurate in and of itself.
22:53 < Synx|hm_> no
22:53 < Genphlux> There are further qualifying components of the code.
22:53 < Synx|hm_> it was missing a big 'felony that used leathal force or threatned leathal force'
22:54 < Synx|hm_> but it does go on to imply even if said suspect (and again they are suspects here not criminals) is fleeing (i assume to also include unarmed) you can still shoot the fucker dead
22:55 < Synx|hm_> btw im not trying to say who is correct here, id like to believe that judgment can be handeled at the time by the professionally trained officer, but we all know that isn't always the case
22:55 <@Dickie> The important thing is that we were all there to see it
22:56 <@Dickie> and then we served on the jury
22:56 <@Dickie> I'm pretty sure I'm the guy that got shot
22:56 < Synx|hm_> haha
22:56  * Evilpig shoots Dickie just to be sure
22:58 < Genphlux> The purpose of the law is to protect the public.  If an individual is suspected of committing a crime that involved the use of lethal force or the threat thereof, and there is reason to believe they will commit said crime again, then yes, it is in the best interest of public safety to use lethal force if necessary.
22:58 < Genphlux> Not "because you can", but if necessary.
22:58 < Genphlux> I don't disagree with that.
22:59 < Synx|hm_> agreed, interesting the origional article that linked to said document failed to call out those few extra and key points to further the histeria
23:02 <@Dagmar> Probably because in light of the repeating pattern of cops shooting people on a whim, those items don't much matter
23:03 <@Dagmar> ...because they regularly shoot _poor people_
23:03 < Synx|hm_> ya, you watch that video of the cops mowing down the homeless guy is NM?
23:03 <@Dagmar> Nope.  didn't catch it
23:03 < maleus_> Im watching looters destroying local businesses right now, its interesting
23:03 <@Dagmar> I've already seen footage of three people being shot to death by cops since midsummer.  That's kind of enough for me
23:04 <@Dagmar> Only one of them was "suicide by cop" and I still think the cops could have readily stopped it
23:04 < Synx|hm_> well dont, the video is horribly depressing, guy is obviously confused and just arowsed by the cops, hes sleeping on a pad in the hills, cops surround him and finally after a bit of "chatting" unload into him with M16s
23:04 <@Dagmar> That first week after the Brown shooting, if those cops had said "no, we don't want to shoot you" instead of just opening fire, I suspect the dead guy would not be dead
23:04 < Synx|hm_> ha
23:05 <@Dagmar> Dude was pacing around psyching himself up to get shot
23:05 <@Dagmar> He didn't even get to the point of lunging at them or even raising his arm
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23:05 < Synx|hm_> id be yelling taze me dont shoot me bro
23:06 <@Dagmar> If they'd used tasers on him he'd have been _really_ disappointed
23:06 <@Dagmar> ...and if he was on the meds I suspect he was (because of the words coming out of his mouth sounded like a particular mental disorder) the tasers would have had a good chance of killing him anyway
23:07 < Synx|hm_> shit at least its a step in the direction
23:08 <@Dagmar> Damn some idiots are shooting off bottle rockets
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23:08 <@Dagmar> Screamers are pretty distinctive
23:09 <@Evilpig> i'm sure there's a city ordinance against those.  quick shoot em
23:09 < Synx|hm_> OMG change of topics...
23:09 < Synx|hm_> http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/tech/2014/11/24/google-fiber-files-franchise-application-state/19488277/
23:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Fiber files franchise application with state (at www.tennessean.com)
23:09 <@Dagmar> Synx: I'm waiting to see what legilsation Comcast will try to slip through
23:09 < Synx|hm_> ITS HAPPENING
23:09 < Synx|hm_> ya :( but im waiting to call comcast and tell them to fuck their own face
23:10 < Genphlux> I just wanna do hoodrat stuff with my friends.
23:11 <@Dickie> Is that like assplay?
23:14 < Genphlux> You never go ass to mouth.
23:15 < Synx|hm_> its permissible sometimes
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