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00:06 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_GSGY_fwYo
00:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: PETA Launches Its Own Animal Utopia Minecraft Server - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:06 < RangerZ> lol
00:06 <@Bahhumbug> Is there bacon?
00:07 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and fuck PETA.  Sideways.  With a garden rake.
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00:14 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2XdQesNvi4 if anyone likes WW2 + XCOM , and a great story...
00:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Checking Out Valkyria Chronicles on PC - IGN Plays - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:15 < RangerZ> only 20$, which has all the DLC from the PS3 original http://store.steampowered.com/app/294860/
00:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Valkyria Chronicles™ on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
00:33 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: "No animals can be harmed".  I seriously doubt that claim will stand up to close inspection.
00:33 <@Dagmar> There are so many ways for things to be killed in MC.
00:34 <@Dagmar> Unless you are just locked into a spectator-only mode, I am pretty sure we could kill some animals.
00:35 < RangerZ> Dagmar: didn't you realize?
00:35 < RangerZ> it was a personal challenge issued by PETA to you.
00:35 <@Dagmar> Hrm?
00:35 <@Dagmar> Nah.
00:35 < RangerZ> hehe
00:35 <@Dagmar> I have Draenor to pillage in a few hours
00:35 <@Dagmar> Otherwise I'd already be answering that with "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED"
00:35 < RangerZ> that launch tonight?
00:35 <@Dagmar> 2am.
00:36 <@Dagmar> THey'd have to completely disable lava generation.
00:36 <@Dagmar> All I'd need to find is _any_ surface lava
00:37 <@Dagmar> Not even Adventure Mode would protect them then
00:39 <@Dagmar> Obtain animal food, lead animal to lava.  wait.
00:39 <@Dagmar> Or just shove cows into it
00:41 <@Dagmar> Since they added _really_ sticky blocks, you can absolutely make an automated animal killing farm
00:41 <@Dagmar> 'cuz now pistons can move a whole row of 12 blocks
00:42 <@Dagmar> The bouncy pads are just about useless tho
00:45 < RangerZ> also.... Obama getting China to peak its CO2 output by 2030, and them promising to create as much energy as the entire US as .... clean tech
00:45 < RangerZ> clean energy*
00:45 <@Dagmar> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Slime_Block
00:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Slime Block - Minecraft Wiki (at minecraft.gamepedia.com)
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03:17 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2846009/the-5-smart-stats-that-actually-predict-hard-drive-failure.html
03:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: The 5 SMART stats that actually predict hard drive failure | Computerworld (at www.computerworld.com)
07:23 <@Shadow404> like that bone chilling tick/scraping sound
07:25 <@wilpig> thank you nintendo!  finally you fuckers figured this shit out
07:26 <@wilpig> you can purchase super smash bros today and preload that shit
07:27 <@Shadow404> philae landing reproduction: http://media.tumblr.com/fe1481ee3d191d4736dcef994e5082dc/tumblr_inline_mrdq0wOSdg1qz4rgp.gif
07:27 <@Shadow404> if you havent been following, the lander bounced 3 times before landing
07:27 <@Shadow404> should of anchored and never bounced
07:28 <@Shadow404> and might of landed on its side, we are not sure yet
08:06 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:25 <@CRasH180> good morning all
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09:53 <@CRasH180> or not
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10:21 <@Dolemite> *crickets*
10:21 < aestetix> penis
10:22 < scoob> did somebody say penis
10:23 <@wilpig> w00t!  super smash bros is now loaded on my wii-u
10:26 < scoob> launches on... the 21st?
10:31 <@wilpig> something like that
10:35 <@Dolemite> Simply because I know it would have to exist, have you downloaded a pr0n called Super Spank Brothers?
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10:47 <@wilpig> I have not, but that episode of family guy came close to that
10:48 <@oddball> Gives another meaning to "Falcon PUNCH!"
10:57 <@Dolemite> Firmware update 28 of 120.
10:57 <@Dolemite> It's taking about 20 minutes per power strip.
10:58 <@Dolemite> Fun fun fun!
10:59 <@wilpig> Dolemite: interns....
10:59 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I have none at the moment
10:59 <@wilpig> children....
10:59 <@Dolemite> That's ok, it's letting me fix all of the idiotic entries that the operators put into DCIM
10:59 <@oddball> Can only do one at a time?
11:00 <@Dolemite> oddball: Version 3.12.1 of the firmware has a bug that causes the network interface to lock up on heavy traffic networks.
11:00 <@Dolemite> Therefore I'm having to plug in to each unit to do the upgrade.
11:00 <@oddball> suck
11:01 <@oddball> I saw you mention that on FB.
11:01 <@Dolemite> Because they were all working...   until we exceeded the threshold about 3 months ago.  Just now figured out the root cause.
11:01 <@Dolemite> I guess I could just turn off all of the servers to decrease traffic :)
11:01 <@oddball> Because, you know, smart powersupplies would never be used on networks with heavy traffic...
11:02 <@Dolemite> Yeah, apparently 3.12.1's bug was found very quickly and 3.12.2 was released, but I bought a batch of 120 in that window
11:02 <@Dolemite> So now they're all getting 3.12.7
11:03 <@oddball> ah
11:04 <@oddball> Someone should tell crazy pants about this: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/231033/feminist-topping-times-list-of-words-to-ban-because-4chan/
11:05 <@wilpig> oddball: I posted that time link in here yesterday encouraging people to click feminist
11:06 <@oddball> heh
11:06 <@wilpig> it's funny that it's up to 51% though
11:06 <@wilpig> http://time.com/3576870/worst-words-poll-2014/
11:07 <@oddball> I knew that it was on this year's poll.  The fact that it's currently in the #1 slot by a good margine...
11:08 <@wilpig> at this point that isn't marginal, it's landslide
11:09 <@oddball> That's what I meant.
11:10 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wagltjftm1y27md/Screen%20Shot%202014-11-13%20at%2011.09.18%20AM.png?dl=0
11:11 <@oddball> Of course, there's a couple on the list that I've never heard before... and even with the descriptions, I still have no idea what they mean.
11:11 <@Dolemite> So is anybody other than Dru going to put their name in the hat for Nashville 2600 President this year?
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11:11 <@oddball> I do have to agree with "using literally when you mean figuratively."  Those people should have their tounges removed
11:11 <@oddball> Dolemite: Naienko has told me not to run.
11:12 <@Dolemite> If he is re-elected then I am resigning my positon on the board and wiping my hands completely
11:12 <@oddball> Of course, she's pushing me to walk the fuck away after the heart burn this shit has caused me this past year.
11:13 <@Dolemite> Decius sent me several emails about trying to fix the drama and I'm simply over it.
11:13 <@oddball> A few of us have been trying to push benthemeek to run, but he's under the strong belief that Dru should have another chance and that things werne't that bad.
11:17 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I've been trying the same, but he's just too damn timid to run
11:17 <@oddball> WHich is a shame, since I believe he has the skills to do the job, and everyone can get along with him.
11:18 <@wilpig> get a few people at that meeting to nominate him and flat out refuse anything to do with dru
11:19 <@oddball> Problem is that I don't think he'll accept the nomination.
11:20 <@wilpig> you can convince him
11:21 <@Dolemite> I don't think you can
11:22 <@Dolemite> oddball if you did run I'd certainly help in whatever way I can
11:23 <@wilpig> as would I
11:23 <@wilpig> said the same thing to ben if he would run
11:23 <@Dolemite> That's exactly the same thing I told Ben, other than the name
11:23 <@oddball> Because that would be weird if you didn't change the name. :p
11:24 <@oddball> And thanks for the vote of confidence.
11:24 <@wilpig> oddball: i'll sweeten the deal for you and toss in a NotLarry for slave labor
11:25 <@oddball> heh
11:26 <@Dolemite> Actually, oddball would make a really good bridge with the Hypericon/SciFi folks
11:26 <@wilpig> you mean one that would actually email them and not just claim to have done so?
11:27 <@Dolemite> Better yet, he could actually talk to them FACE TO FACE
11:27 <@wilpig> oh that's just poppycock!
11:27 <@Dolemite> I no rite
11:27 <@wilpig> face to face is how ebola spreads
11:27 <@Dolemite> I thought it was through sex with monkeys?
11:27 <@wilpig> that's the hiv
11:27 <@oddball> In fairness... Dru and CrazyPants did show up to a Hypericon meeting.
11:27 <@Dolemite> Oh, right
11:28 <@Dolemite> oddball: But did they follow through on anything?
11:28 <@oddball> And basically talk down to the group stating that they, who had experience running cons, would be glad to help out.
11:29 <@oddball> Basically Dru went and expected the Hypericon folks to fall over themselves asking for help.
11:30 <@wilpig> lol
11:30 <@oddball> Oh... by the way.  I missed the closing ceremonies, but apparently Dru announced that nashville2600 is going to put on something in March.
11:30 <@wilpig> yeah phreaknic spring
11:31 <@oddball> Without, you know, talking to fucking anyone about it before hand.
11:31 <@wilpig> another thing I linked in here a while back and mocked
11:31 <@Shadow404> so
11:31 <@Shadow404> phreaknic 2014, success or failure/
11:31 <@Shadow404> ?
11:31 <@wilpig> but it's may now
11:31 <@oddball> Shadow404: The folks that were there seemed to have a good time.
11:31 <@Dagmar> Why limit failure to the Fall when you can fail TWICE a year!
11:31 <@opticron> I heard about PN:Spring during PN
11:32 <@oddball> wilpig: Oh, is it?  That's probably my mistake.
11:32 <@wilpig> as the charter for the nonprofit was clearly written for a single event a year....
11:32 <@wilpig> this spring failure can be out of his own pocket without the corp involvement
11:32 <@Dolemite> It's great that people who were there had a good time, but the question is whether or not it's still vinancially viable
11:32 <@Dagmar> Well... I think I'll just kick back and watch the fail happen naturally
11:32 <@Dolemite> financially
11:33 <@wilpig> I also pointed out what kind of shit this does for the reputation of the planning staff to announce such an event and then you're gonn ahave to retract that shit
11:33 <@oddball> I've been told that PN didn't lose money this year, but I'm pretty sure that has a lot to do with how much money Codex Labs ponied up as a sponsor.
11:33 <@Dagmar> ...because if he didn't get the advance stuff done for a con that has a YEAR to prepare, trying again with less than six months should be epic
11:33 <@wilpig> oddball: as a member you can ask to see the numbers and should
11:34 <@oddball> The official membership count was 150.
11:34 <@wilpig> so same as the previous year with more money coming in from higher admission price
11:34 <@oddball> wilpig: Oh, talking to Dink, I know that they dumped a good amount of cash into it.
11:35 <@Dolemite> I remember when PhreakNIC was able to add $1.5k-$2k per year to the bank account with zero sponsors...
11:35 <@oddball> wilpig: Yep.  Except I believe there were more folks that pre-regged that didn't show up this year.
11:35 <@oddball> From what I saw, I'm guessing the number of actual attendance was closer to 100.
11:36 <@wilpig> I've always treated the sponsorship as extra.  water bottle = sponsor
11:36 <@wilpig> pig roast = sponsor
11:36 <@wilpig> nothing else.  
11:36 <@Dolemite> yep
11:36 <@wilpig> that's not how they see it
11:36 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah... and memebership was, what, 350-400?
11:36 <@Dolemite> If the convention can't run on its own without sponsorship, it has lost its way
11:36 <@Dolemite> oddball: The highest I ever got attendance up to was somewhere north of 400
11:37 <@oddball> But I think 350-400 was about standard when you were running things.
11:37 <@Dolemite> yeah, I think the first year I ran it we had between 250 and 300
11:37 <@wilpig> after skydick shit went downhill and hasn't ever really recovered
11:37 <@oddball> right.
11:38 <@wilpig> last year going so early without a ton of advertising was just bad
11:38 <@oddball> Of course, there is the issue that October is now fairly crowded between PN, SkyDogcon, and GMX.
11:38 <@oddball> wilpig: yep
11:38 <@wilpig> people hit me up later surprised that it had already happened.  and that just drove that point home
11:39 <@oddball> Oh, and they tried to call it a success because we got about the same numbers as we did last year.
11:39 <@wilpig> that's when you point out how many people flat out sai they weren't showing up because of x
11:39 <@wilpig> and that it could have been a success IF they showed up
11:40 <@oddball> Oh, I did.
11:40 <@oddball> And I straight up stated that not growing from 100-150 should be considered in the "not good" category.
11:41 <@Dolemite> Well one thing is for sure - Nashville 2600 Corporation needs to decide what its purpose is, because right now it, and PhreakNIC, are showing a major identity crisis
11:41 <@oddball> Hypericon has did that last year, and we're fucking panicking about it.
11:42 <@wilpig> I am still questioning this "depending on how much dink ponied up"
11:42  * benthemeek back reads
11:42 <@wilpig> shouldn't that number have been determined BEFORE the con?
11:42 <@benthemeek> wilpig: we know he put us back in the black
11:42 <@oddball> It's the future president!
11:42 <@benthemeek> thats all I know
11:42 <@benthemeek> okay, I would run except for more drama
11:43 <@wilpig> so you don't know how much his sponsorship was for?  so basically .... CONFLICT OF INTEREST! 
11:43 <@wilpig> any other sponsor would have paid a set amount up front and done
11:43 <@benthemeek> I dont understand the conflict of interest thing
11:43 <@benthemeek> basiclly if he hadnt paid the money we would be screwed from what I understand
11:43 <@oddball> benthemeek: Could be worse, we could be pushing Dagmar to run.
11:43 <@wilpig> sell me a sponsorship righ tnow
11:43 <@Dolemite> yeah, wilpig keeps using 'conflict of interest' incorrectly
11:43 <@wilpig> how would you do it?
11:44 <@oddball> wilpig: shut the fuck up about the non-existent conflict of interest.
11:44 <@wilpig> it isn't non-existant.
11:44 <@wilpig> he paid, fine, good.  
11:44 <@benthemeek> Since we are dropping all pretense here is how I would see that going down (election)
11:44 <@Dolemite> It's only a conflict of interest if his position in the organization causes him material gain.
11:44 <@oddball> Pretty sure he did... and then ponied up extra.
11:44 <@Dolemite> In this case it's obvious that is was a loss for him
11:45 <@benthemeek> If I ran against dru and run, he would most likely claim well the rules are broken anyway
11:45 <@benthemeek> won*
11:45 <@Dolemite> If there's any conflict of interest, it's possibly at Codex, rather than at Nashville 2600, but depending on how his organization is structured, it may or may not be the case.
11:45 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: At least try
11:46 <@benthemeek> So then ut becomes a me against dru and possibly dink and tilghman
11:46 <@oddball> benthemeek: Then we'll throw him out on his ass, and nobody could defend his actions.
11:46 <@Dolemite> If you think that they would leave because Dru isn't president, then they really aren't in it for the community
11:46 <@benthemeek> I think it would of been different if you all had shown up at the con
11:46 <@oddball> I don't think Dink or Tilghman would back him on the idea that the elections didn't count.
11:47 <@benthemeek> but it looks like people who werent involved are kicking him out
11:47 <@oddball> benthemeek: It would be me.  Physically, if necessary.
11:47 <@oddball> And I was there.
11:47 <@benthemeek> This sunday is the officers meetings and follow up
11:48 <@benthemeek> I think its going to have to be a bit of a showdown on this spring thing
11:48 <@wilpig> stand your ground and say fuck you, no
11:49 <@oddball> Frankly, the announcing that the org is going to run an event before discussin it with the org should be enough to get him out of office right there.
11:49 <@benthemeek> I havent had a single email from him since a very bnad exzchange last thursday
11:49 <@benthemeek> He may already be really pissed with me
11:49 <@benthemeek> or for all I know wanting to wash his hands of the whole thing
11:51 <@oddball> That would be nice, but I doubt it.
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11:51 <@wilpig> the more likely answer is you angered him and he's now just refusing to talk to you
11:51 <@benthemeek> It sucks. The whole thing. I *think* that if dru gets kicked out it might be the same thing all over again with Trevor
11:51 <@wilpig> awwww he wouldn't do that.
11:52 <@wilpig> dru doesn't have the following that skydick did
11:52 <@benthemeek> He takes his toys and the people loyal to him and goes home or starts drama
11:52 <@wilpig> crazypants doens't count
11:52 <@wilpig> what toys did he bring to the party?
11:52 <@wilpig> a couple of speakers?
11:52 <@benthemeek> Its not about that its about Elonka/kieth watson/les johnson/others that came and come because of Dru
11:53 <@wilpig> elonka has no relation to dru
11:53 <@benthemeek> I know phreaknic is more than a couple of speakers, but this year I thought was really fresh and good in that direction
11:53 <@wilpig> she knows him, but she would have come anyway
11:53 <@benthemeek> I liked it
11:53 <@wilpig> keith and les just talk to them and see if they will come again
11:56 <@benthemeek> Perhaps this is some of my personal hang ups i need to get over too, but running against Dru will probaly mean I have made an enemy I have never really had one of those and don't relish it
11:56 <@Dolemite> Elonka came many years when Dru was nothing more than a drunkard attendee
11:57 <@benthemeek> If we accept that the elections and the by-laws are valid then its all in the spirit of fairness, but since according to him and others they are questionable it becomes a my way vs his way
11:58 <@benthemeek> normally in a situation I fall back on the rules, but if rules are broken what then?
11:58 <@wilpig> benthemeek: would it help any if I gave you elonka's cell number and you aclled and talked to her?
11:59 <@wilpig> he wants the bylaws to be invalid so he can do whatever he pleases
11:59 <@wilpig> surely you can see that
11:59 <@benthemeek> In my pollyanna world the best possible thing that can happen right now that will do the most good, is that we talk dru out of any extra expenditures other than phreaknic and we (officers) step up and really give him the administration base he needs to float his ideas off of
12:00 <@benthemeek> I have here cell and she and I texted over fixing a machine problem after the con
12:00 <@benthemeek> I want to make drama go away though, not cause more
12:01 <@oddball> benthemeek: If the bylaws are broken enough that the elections don't count, the organization is defunct.
12:01 <@wilpig> you cannot control dru, as long as he's the president there will be problems.
12:02 <@benthemeek> wilpig: I think its fine as long as you have others stepping up and getting websites/hotel contracts etc worked out
12:02 <@oddball> The idea that the bylaws are so broken that they don't count is completely absurd.
12:02 <@benthemeek> okay
12:02 <@oddball> I agree that they need to be fixed, but that needs to be done properly.
12:03 <@oddball> And anyone that says otherwise needs to not be in any position of power.
12:03 <@benthemeek> well I will bring this up at the meeting Sunday. But essentually what I am hearing is that some of you will wash your hands of the whole thing if e gets re elected
12:07 <@oddball> ...where there will be screaming that the critics are mean poopie heads that want to destroy PN.
12:07 <@benthemeek> God, what a mess
12:07 <@wilpig> it's not a mess, you have a smudge and you just need to clean it
12:08 <@benthemeek> oddball: thats the problem. I think it will be a "Well we dont need them anyway" and then I have to pick a side; which honestly my loyalty is to THIS community. So... I could be stuck between a rock and a hard place
12:09 <@benthemeek> I want phreaknic to continue
12:09 <@oddball> Dolemite: Oh, by the way... about "Seeing the numbers," I was told straight up that the only folks that were allowed to see the numbers were the officers.
12:09 <@benthemeek> yeah the by-laws dont explicitly say all members
12:09 <@benthemeek> I think we shoudl fix that
12:09 <@benthemeek> I am for total transparency
12:10 <@oddball> benthemeek: It's pretty simple at that point.  There's one side that wants inclusion, while the other is for exclusion.
12:11 <@benthemeek> If I could get Dru on the side of inclusion and honoring the past and all that. Would that not be good enough?
12:11 <@oddball> He's burned a lot of bridges this year.
12:11 <@wilpig> if I could grow wings and fly do you think i'd ever drive?
12:11 <@wilpig> why ask an impossible question
12:12 <@benthemeek> Also think about his past: He organized the first few; he feels like hes going back to the roots of the way things should be
12:12 <@oddball> And, as I said at the meeting, I'm all for him being part of the org, but not as the head.
12:13 <@oddball> Think about what you've been saying.  You've been saying that you, as the secretary, will work on getting the president to do his job.  That's backwards.
12:13 <@wilpig> 1-4 unorganized, worked out because there was nothing else around at the time, bridges hadn't been covered in napalm yet
12:13 <@benthemeek> If dru agrees to follow the by-laws I will vote for him. If he doesnt I will run against him, not that that will do much good if he doesnt accept the result
12:14 <@wilpig> run for president.  oddball already has a skirt he can be sexretary
12:14 <@brimstone> heh, sexretary
12:14  * brimstone whistles at oddball
12:15 <@brimstone> you gonna git push those notes big boy?
12:15 <@benthemeek> Only if Dru refused to do things by how they are written
12:15 <@brimstone> i'm a terrible person :(
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12:15 <@wilpig> brimstone: you're not as bad as mog
12:15 <@oddball> benthemeek: What's he going to do if he "Doesn't accept the results?"
12:15  * wilpig marches and sings
12:16 <@brimstone> down
12:16 <@brimstone> into the ground
12:16 <@brimstone> to get out
12:16 <@brimstone> of
12:16 <@brimstone> the rain
12:16 <@benthemeek> I don't know. I think dolemite or the board might have to leverage what ever power they have
12:16 <@oddball> Do you honestly believe that Tilghman and Dink will follow his lead with that.?
12:17 <@oddball> How would he be able to enforce the idea that he's still in charge?
12:17 <@benthemeek> I am okay with a spring event IF and only IF we do a good succeful finacially productive con
12:17 <@benthemeek> I dont count the last one as that
12:17 <@benthemeek> It was good but the cash flow is a problem that needs to be fixed
12:18 <@oddball> I'm with you on all those statements.
12:18 <@benthemeek> Maybe at the end of 2015 we can be talking about a spring con.
12:19 <@benthemeek> Here is a thought though, what if Dru, corydon, dink say that actually this past one was very successful financially and they want to do a spring con
12:19 <@wilpig> you mock them and publish the numbers
12:19 <@benthemeek> I think I will argue that we need to change the bylaws then to do so and we dont have time to do that effectively
12:20 <@benthemeek> so spring of 1016 is probaly the soonest we could pull that off
12:20 < scoob> unrelated, anyone involved with BSides Huntsville?
12:21 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: Do you think the actual balances of the bank account/ hotel contract should be totally public record?
12:21 <@benthemeek> What did you intend when you first incorporated?
12:22 <@oddball> benthemeek: Oh, on similar note.  I asked about you showing up with your UT setup for Decks and Dice in December, and they thought it was a great idea.  And yeah... you don't have to worry about paying to get in if you're setting that up.
12:22 <@benthemeek> okay its on my calendar
12:22 <@benthemeek> Just send me more details as time approaches
12:22 <@oddball> http://hp.forshado.ws/?page_id=37
12:23 <@wilpig> I've opened the blackhole.  if i'm never heard from again, I didn't make it out
12:24 <@klixa11> you people :P
12:24 <@klixa11> just kill dru
12:24 <@klixa11> problem solved
12:25 <@oddball> Yeah... but then we'd have to owe a pig farmer a major favor.
12:25 <@wilpig> finally some sense!
12:27 <@benthemeek> You know one other thing that bothers me about this. Logically it seems like it may be Wilpig,Dolemite,RangerZ,oddball,Dagmar vs Dru and company. I wish there was a larger community backing one or the other. I think people might just want to come phreaknic no matter whos really in charge
12:28 <@benthemeek> And if we took the view point of well it sjust personailty conflict with president/vision. Perhaps it isnt something we should be getting worked up about
12:28 <@oddball> I agree with you that I wish there was a larger community that was actually involved in the con.
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12:31 <@wilpig> benthemeek: in years past was dru ever excluded from the planning process or was he invited to participate?
12:31 <@benthemeek> Is possibly killing phreaknic worth pissing off losing us/me?
12:32 <@benthemeek> Im throwing in my lot with how things are done, it would suck if it becomes the last phreaknic because of it
12:32 <@benthemeek> (when I say us I was including the 5 names mentioned above)
12:33 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: The original intent was for the books to be private, but available upon request by any member
12:34 <@wilpig> oh dell...  " You’re going to get a bunch of individually boxed drives.  They should each have a return label.  Take one of the old drives and ship it back.  Make sure you are putting a 500GB drive in a box that a 500GB came from, same with the 1TB. 
12:34 <@wilpig>  "
12:34 <@wilpig> I have 150+ drives...
12:36 <@Dolemite> That being said, every year that I ran PN I would present a budget to the membership to vote on
12:36 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: I wish I had been involved back then
12:37 <@Dolemite> So even though I kept the schwag somewhat of a secret every year, people know how much money I had budgetd for it
12:37 <@Dolemite> speaker gifts were always significantly better than attendee schwag
12:37 <@oddball> Yeah... lots of folks at the monthly meetings.  People having a good time...
12:37 <@Dolemite> t-shirt designs were voted on by the membership
12:37 <@Dolemite> I started running contess to get designs since we didn't have artists in the group
12:38 <@benthemeek> You passed it to Trevor correct?
12:38 <@benthemeek> or were there other people in between
12:38 <@Dolemite> I still say the best design ever was the Aztec wheel / hard drive, which was done by a local
12:38 <@wilpig> melissa
12:38 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Technically I handed it off to Dementia, but then she was basically drawn into drama and I had to step in.
12:38 <@wilpig> she rocks
12:38 <@oddball> And by local, you mean the wife of the con chair of Hypericon. :p
12:39 <@Dolemite> oddball: I didn't know that part ;)
12:39 <@wilpig> I did, but I was involved in that
12:39 <@Dolemite> But she and her husband have both contributed great designs in the past
12:40 <@oddball> She also has done the con art for Hypericon every year.  A few of the paintings for that have won "best in show" awards at other cons.
12:40 <@Dolemite> she's very talented
12:42 <@benthemeek> I am still trying to see how to keep things from splintering further. Perhaps if dru runs for president I can run for Vice (even though its not in the by-laws) and step up to do the missing stuff
12:43  * oddball sadly shakes his head
12:43 <@Dolemite> So anyway the intent of the corporation was to make PhreakNIC a more collaborative, community based effort in stark opposition to the way that Dru had always run it, which was to tell very few people anything at all about what was going on.
12:43 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: If Dru is re-elected as president, I will resign my position on the board and wipe my hands of everything related to PhreakNIC
12:44 <@Dolemite> When Dru moved to Atlanta, he simply left.  There was no hand-off.  There was no list of contacts.  PhreakNIC had to be rebuilt from scratch.  You are going down that exact same path.
12:46 <@oddball> !weather bna
12:46 <@GateKeeper> oddball: Nashville International, TN :: Overcast :: 32F | Wind Chill: 22F | Thursday: Plenty of sunshine. High 38F. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 24F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
12:46 <@oddball> no wonder I need the damned slippers today.
12:53 <@Shadow404> !weather
12:53 <@GateKeeper> Shadow404: Marietta, GA :: Overcast :: 41F | Wind Chill: 34F | Thursday: Mostly cloudy skies. High 48F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Low 26F. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 mph.
12:54 <@Shadow404> our low will be about the same
12:58 <@Mirage> !weather 75081
12:58 <@GateKeeper> Mirage: Richardson, TX :: Overcast :: 33F | Wind Chill: 22F | Thursday: Sunny. Temps nearly steady in the mid to upper 30s. Winds N at 10 to 20 mph. Thursday Night: Generally clear. Low 22F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
12:58 <@Mirage> And the wife was looking forward to escaping the cold moving down here.
12:58 <@Mirage> We had sleet last night ~1am
13:09 <@benthemeek> It was this morning on my drive in in murfreeboro
13:10 <@Mirage> RE: Upcoming elections..   I seem to recall that the by-law for president was changed to allow any member and not just someone who had previously been an officer.   Is that correct?
13:13 <@benthemeek> Uh I dont think that ever passed
13:13 <@benthemeek> the by laws need a lot of tweaking to be correct
13:13 <@klixa11> "[11:31:38] <@benthemeek>	Is possibly killing phreaknic worth pissing off losing us/me?" no one cares if we lose you...you are the weakest link
13:13 <@klixa11> :P
13:14 <@benthemeek> klixa11: I love you too
13:14 <@klixa11> everyone does, cause im so nice
13:14 <@klixa11> Shadow404 logs of you/your chan beng torlled by cholby are making the freenode rounds this moring
13:15 <@klixa11> trolled*
13:24 <@Shadow404> klixa11: yeah, how'd you know???
13:24 <@Shadow404> i didnt have ops in there, otherwise he would of been out immediately
13:25 <@Dolemite> If I recall correctly, the President is the only officer position that still requires having served in a significant capacity for a prior PhreakNIC
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13:25 <@Shadow404> klixa: logs?
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13:25 <@Dolemite> The whole point of such a rule being that you really needed to test someone's capabilities before putting them in charge
13:26 <@benthemeek> dolemite: node
13:26 <@benthemeek> nods*
13:26 <@klixa> Shadow404 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QqKDBzEt
13:26 <@klixa> thats the link i was shown
13:27 <@Shadow404> sad
13:27 <@klixa> well, cholby is big new where i hang out :/
13:27 <@Shadow404> which is?
13:27 <@Shadow404> #asshats?
13:27 <@klixa> yes :P
13:27 <@Shadow404> figures
13:27 <@klixa> they wre against him for the record
13:27 <@klixa> not or him
13:28 <@klixa> he trolls out channel..we have liek 20 bans at least that are all him impersonating someone else
13:28 <@klixa> our*
13:28 <@Shadow404> damn
13:28 <@Shadow404> he was using a vps from china for that nick
13:28 <@Dolemite> Kroger here is now selling clothing
13:29 <@Dolemite> Their transformation into Wal-Mart is nearly complete
13:29 <@klixa> Shadow404 he lives in bostn
13:29 <@Dolemite> Just need some Kroger Tires next
13:29 <@klixa> we know his real identity, i even have pics of him... he got doxed awhile ago
13:39 <@oddball> Dolemite: The Krogers around here has sold some clothing off and on for years.  Especially if $local_sports_team was doing well.
13:40 <@Dolemite> Yes, but this is more than just $local_sports_team based stuff.  This is full on clothing department.
13:40 <@oddball> huh
13:40 <@Dolemite> They've had furniture for ages
13:41 <@oddball> yeah
13:41 <@Dolemite> They're the 'Kroger Marketplace' stores.  Farragut was the largest until last year, when a new one in West Knoxville was opened about 4 miles from the Farragut store.  They are apparently the test market for Kroger, because by golly, Knoxville loves the shit out of some Kroger.
13:43 <@oddball> Huh... I guess they decided that the Green Hills Krogers would remain just a test market store for the grocery store.
13:53 <@Dolemite> http://geekologie.com/2014/11/woopsie-girl-twerks-it-so-hard-she-craps.php
13:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Woopsie: Girl Twerks It So Hard She Craps Her Pants | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
13:55 <@brimstone> dedication
13:56 <@oddball> Hmmm... more recipes to play with: http://www.buzzfeed.com/christinebyrne/big-batch-thanksgiving-cocktails
13:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: 21 Big-Batch Cocktails To Get Your Family Drunk On Thanksgiving (at www.buzzfeed.com)
13:57 <@klixa> oddball you drink too much
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13:58 <@oddball> Actually, I honestly don't drink that much or often.
13:58 <@Dolemite> Apparently she doesn't have auto-rejoin
13:58 <@oddball> oops
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13:59 <@Dolemite> there she is
13:59 <@klixa> Dolemite i lighteartedly kicked someone in my chan yesteray and some other op edited my ops flag over it
13:59 <@oddball> For klixa's benifit: 12:58 <@oddball> Actually, I honestly don't drink that much or often.
13:59 <@klixa> they just dont get it
13:59 <@Dolemite> If that happened in here, we'd have no more ops
13:59 <@wilpig> klixa: that channel sounds like they suck
14:00 <@klixa> wilpig it was that one op who sucked...i got my ops flags back..im higher up than him and had like EVERY flag you can have almost
14:00 <@oddball> The other channels I hang out in rarely hand out ops.
14:00 <@wilpig> i'm partial to mob rule
14:00 <@klixa> oddball im just jealous cause im pregannt and cant have eggnog
14:01 <@klixa> well, cant have rum eggnog
14:01 <@oddball> Oddly enough, one is a channel of gun nuts who don't hand ops out freely because of fear of abuse of power.
14:01 <@oddball> ooo... I forgot that eggnog season was approaching.
14:01 <@klixa> oddball i have some xmas recipes for you
14:02 <@oddball> oh?
14:02 <@klixa> oddball chambord+baileys+ice, mixed together, for one is awesome
14:02 <@oddball> I could see that.
14:02 <@klixa> it has some reaction and almost ends up being like pudding
14:02 <@klixa> runny pudding
14:02 <@klixa> but...i dunno...its yummy
14:03 <@klixa> well, y recipes arent really all that exotic...but basically eggnog milkshakes with baileys and rum
14:03 <@klixa> i think i have a pic of one form years past
14:05 < aestetix> I can't get enough news about the comet
14:05 < aestetix> this is so fucking cool
14:06 <@oddball> There's nothing wrong with simple.  The important part is "is it tasty."
14:07 < aestetix> My cat is eating her own throwup.
14:07 <@oddball> My pie recipes are damned easy... they just take a while to make because one of the steps is "bring ~a gallon of liquid to boil" and another is "let ~1 gallon of liquid to cool to room temp."
14:08 <@NotLarry> ok, I just want to say...
14:09 <@NotLarry> IT IS THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING, NOW GO AWAY AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!
14:09 <@NotLarry> Thanks,
14:09 <@NotLarry> Has nothing to do with anyone here, but if I screamed that at work there might be undesireable results.
14:09 <@oddball> And this non sequitor was brought to you by NotLarry.
14:10 <@NotLarry> Getting my backpack this afternoon, someone brought me a sleeping bag this morning
14:10 <@klixa> oddball  https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n2zvjomb684ov5/DSCN0127.JPG?dl=0
14:10 <@NotLarry> Now all I am missing is the Dragunov and I'll be ready.
14:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - DSCN0 (at www.dropbox.com)
14:11 <@klixa> my eggnog milkshake
14:11 <@klixa> i think it had chambord in it too, cause i was putting that in everything and stayng drunk like for a week
14:11 <@oddball> heh
14:12 <@klixa> that was when i was 29...damn time flies... 6 years ago :/
14:14 <@oddball> NotLarry: For some reason I'm reminded of Dolemite jokingly asking if there were any clock towers on campus after I bought my first rifle, and I answered without blinking.
14:16 <@NotLarry> A Dragunov would be an amazing item to have.
14:16 <@NotLarry> I'm just saying, for that I would probably drop my no gun policy
14:17 <@NotLarry> I've hunted teenagers in the woods at night with my airsoft "replica."
14:19 <@oddball> They're nice.  Unfortunately, they're also expensive.
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14:20 <@NotLarry> Yeah.  And no fun outside of a war zone.
14:20 <@oddball> To the point that you can get a better rifle for less if you're not interested in the coolness factor.
14:20 <@NotLarry> No, I'm totally into the coolness factor
14:22 <@oddball> Yeah... but it looks like they're currently going for $5k and up.
14:23 <@oddball> In today's market, I can get 5 AR-10s that spit a round with similar ballistics, are far more accurate, and I can get the ammo at Walmart.
14:27 <@oddball> Ah, looks like you can get a PSL (very similar to the VSD Dragonov for somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5k... when you can find them.
14:28 <@Dolemite> I'm too much of a cheapskate to ever be a gun nut.  I think spending more than $500 on a single firearm is ludicrous.
14:28 <@oddball> A number of the guns I own I paid less than that for. :p
14:29 <@oddball> And then there are the folks that enjoy collecting Saturday night specials.
14:30 <@Mirage> Dolemite: I got my .22 WMR for the low price of $799. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=004C&mid=524024
14:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Model 9422, Traditional, -- Winchester Repeating Arms -- Historic Product Model (at www.winchesterguns.com)
14:31 <@Mirage> At the time I bought it, all that I could find online via guntrader sites were $1100-$1500
14:32 <@oddball> Mirage: That's actually what made me get my Henry GoldenBoy .22 lever action instead of a Marlin 39a.  The only places that would talk to me about *ordering* the Marlin wanted $200 more than MSRP for it.
14:33 <@Mirage> I don't like the stock on  the Henry..it's too thin and just doesn't feel right
14:33 <@Dolemite> I imagine my one and only handgun would be considered a Saturday night special by some
14:33 <@Dolemite> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=451796725#PIC
14:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: FEG PA63 (walther pp clone) 9MM MAK w/case : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com (at www.gunbroker.com)
14:34 <@oddball> Oh... one of those smallish Makarovs?  Most folks that I know consider them damned good guns for the money.
14:35 <@Dolemite> I've always like it
14:36 <@Mirage> Is the ammo interchangeable w/ 9mm Luger?  I'd assume no.
14:36 <@Dolemite> I need a new clip.  My second clip developed a fracture in it and doesn't feed properly.
14:36 <@oddball> Mirage: no
14:36 <@Dolemite> I can eithre fire 9mm short or .380
14:36 <@oddball> 9mm Makarov is 9x18mm.  Luger is 9x19mm.
14:36 <@oddball> Dolemite: Ah, yours is/was in .380.  Gotcha.
14:37 <@oddball> (.380 and 9mm short is the same round)
14:37 <@Dolemite> I knew they were functionally the same, didn't know if they were technically the same
14:37 <@oddball> yep
14:37 <@oddball> Although I've got into arguments with stubborn idiots over that.
14:38 <@oddball> Basically 9mm short (or 9mm Kurtz) is usually just a sign that it was stamped in Europe for European consumption.
14:39 <@Mirage> I guess I should also add on my Winchester that by the serial number it was built in ~Nov 1972, which was the first year they made the rifle.
14:41 <@Dolemite> According to the gun dealer I bought mine from, it was retired from Hungarian police force.  Not sure that there's really any way to verify that, but it's a fun story. :)
14:42 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Well that makes it more of a collectible, and I do understand paying more for that kind of item...
14:43 <@oddball> Dolemite: Well, at least a large majority of those particular pistols were built for the Hungarian police.  I honestly don't know if any were built for comercial sales.
14:44 <@Dolemite> Fair enough
14:44 <@Dolemite> This was from before the fall of the Berlin Wall, so it may have been used to shoot down capitalist pigs!
14:44  * Dolemite aims at wilpig
14:44  * wilpig steals Dolemite's wallet
14:45 <@wilpig> the fastest way to profit is to take it from someone else
14:45  * Dolemite farts on wilpig and laughs at the fact that wilpig got shat on for an empty wallet
14:45 <@Dolemite> Dude, I'm married with 2 kids.  What profit?
14:46 <@wilpig> slave labor should be generating revenue
14:50 <@Dolemite> My wife can't even find a part time job around here that pays more than the babysitter.
14:53 <@wilpig> there's always meth or hooking
15:04 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?322698-2/counterterrorism-privacy-issues-technology
15:14 <@benthemeek> Linux Admins: Do you do you use "find /" in your housekeeping scripts?
15:24 < aestetix> uh
15:24 < aestetix> for what purpose?
15:37 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek:  No.  I localize find to only the path(s) that it needs.
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15:53 <@NotLarry> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
16:00 < RangerZ> benthemeek: housekeeping no
16:00 <@wilpig> just submited a page full of motherboard errors to a company with the file name "wtfchuck.txt"
16:00 < RangerZ> to find where things 'are'
16:00 < RangerZ> maybe
16:00 < RangerZ> especially on embedded systems
16:00 < RangerZ> which use 'wierd' layouts
16:02 <@Bahhumbug> Housekeeping implies actions taken; if I am looking for something I might root it at / but even then I am more likely to do individual mount points.
16:02 < RangerZ> also... Obama -> red flag + republican congress
16:03 < RangerZ> executive order early balloon flag raised today for work visit permits for parents of US citizens
16:03 <@Mirage> lol..Toyota service guy (not a tech) just called w/ a status update on them doing diagnosics on my pickup.  He told me that the tech said he was still working on it and was about to "remove the head to verify the timing."
16:03 < RangerZ> lol
16:03 < RangerZ> Mirage: good luck driving your car again within days... if that was true
16:03 < RangerZ> lol
16:04 <@Mirage> My response, of course, was.."What!, that makes no sense.  That's like a doctor saying he needs to cut your chest open and look at your heart to check your pulse"
16:05 <@Mirage> I then asked why the tech wasn't just removing the upper timing cover, distributor cap, and #1 spark plug to verify that when #1 was at TDC that the cam marks lined up and the rotor pointed to #1.
16:06 <@Mirage> He said he'd pass that along to the tech and get back with me.
16:06 < RangerZ> wtf
16:06 < RangerZ> what is this 'distributor cap' you speak of?
16:06 < RangerZ> hehe
16:06 <@Mirage> 5 min later he calls back and says that he mis-spoke and that the tech was indeed removing the cover and not the head.
16:07 < RangerZ> ahh so he at least was able to know the parts names
16:07 < RangerZ> so newbie or sales clerk, etc
16:08 <@Mirage> yeah, the guy on the phone is apparently just a desk jockey that has little/no technical knowledge
16:12 < RangerZ> so Playstation Vue... a TV streaming system that via cloud allows you to stream to Playstation devices (later ipads+more) up to 3 days after a show airs, and up to 28 days any 'favorite' shows you have
16:13 < RangerZ> Sony using the Akami streaming service it bought for more than just games... plus... thats not a bad model
16:13 < RangerZ> ~70 channels included
16:13 < RangerZ> CBS being the only major one listed so far
16:14 < RangerZ> overall.... I'm actually curious about this, b/c I think its not terrible, and I'd like to stream some new shows 'when I have time'
16:40 <@wilpig> RangerZ: with or without commercials?
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16:51 < RangerZ> doesn't say
16:52 < RangerZ> but i'm going to assume it has them via ...that tv station owned service I don't use.... and it still has commercials along with monthly fees...
16:52 < RangerZ> huly
16:52 < RangerZ> hulu*
16:53 < RangerZ> but thats only my guess
16:53 < RangerZ> but without commercials... I'd pay 20$/mo for that
16:54 < RangerZ> depending on the 70 channels* obviously
16:54 <@Bahhumbug> https://i.imgur.com/lDS4UV6.gif
16:57 < RangerZ> +1 Internet for that person
17:04 < RangerZ> PSA: Don't fucking buy Assassin's Creed Unity until further notice, no matter what
17:04 < RangerZ> its like a fucking freshman team of QA worked on it
17:04 < RangerZ> so many obvious bugs and unoptimized sections, that its not worth playing right now unless you get really lucky
17:05 < RangerZ> and find which parts of YOUR copy of the city are broken right now
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17:18 < aestetix> girls poop
17:19 <@Mirage> Bahhumbug: awesome.  that gif was very fitting for the WebEx meeting I was in.
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> heh
17:22 < RangerZ> Mirage: s/the// && s/ing I was/ings I am ever/
17:23 < aestetix> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822770/Get-bottom-Anal-sex-class-offered-Harvard-University.html
17:23 <@Mirage> RangerZ: hehe
17:31 < RangerZ> Mirage: honestly... webex is the bane of my existence when we have to use it
17:31 < RangerZ> b/c it is always a PITA
17:32 <@Mirage> So long as I can use my headset for audio it's not so bad.   I had connecting via web, then having to call in w/ a phone for audio.
17:32 < RangerZ> hate?
17:32 < RangerZ> if so, then yes... that sucks too
17:33 < RangerZ> i can't wait to see a nice HTML5 app come out with the EXACT same functionality as webex/etc
17:33 < RangerZ> gonna make some people cry
17:33 < RangerZ> lol
17:34 <@Mirage> RangerZ: yeah s/had/hate/
17:36 < RangerZ> google wave already proved it was possible
17:40 < aestetix> sounds like reddit is not a godo place to be right now
17:41 < RangerZ> it ever is?
17:41 < aestetix> given that their CEO just resigned
17:41 < RangerZ> and do you mean as an employee?
17:41 < RangerZ> ahh
17:43 < RangerZ> where was reddit based before?
17:43 < aestetix> SF
17:43 < aestetix> and there is a bunch of drama about them possibly relocating
17:44 < RangerZ> everything says TO SF
17:45 < RangerZ> I don't get it
17:45 < aestetix> oh maybe they are in mountain view
17:45 <@Bahhumbug> @google reddit corporate HQ location
17:45 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Reddit HQ - SoMa - San Francisco, CA - Foursquare: <https://foursquare.com/v/reddit-hq/4dc4860e1f6ef43b89febbe0>; Reddit | CrunchBase: <http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/reddit>; Reddit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit>; [OC] Map of the USA with the location of major corporate ... - Reddit: (2 more messages)
17:46 <@benthemeek> bahhumbug: yeah just wondering about best practices. Looking through some old sysadmin code
17:46 < RangerZ> benthemeek: not best practice
17:46 < RangerZ> also, xargs with commands with '
17:46 < RangerZ> also, xargs with commands with 'rm -rf' are bad
17:46 < RangerZ> ;)
17:46 <@benthemeek> oh I know that all too well
17:46 <@benthemeek> :P
17:46 <@Bahhumbug> Good thing there is a -delete operator.
17:47 <@benthemeek> but I am trying to figure out replacement practices for this stuff thats been around like 12 years
17:47 <@Bahhumbug> This is one of the primary reasons I do NOT root find's that perform actions in /
17:47 < RangerZ> aestetix: you'll love this one... it looks like they wanted to pull a yahoo... and get 'remote' employees in the new office
17:47 < aestetix> RangerZ: I saw that
17:48 < aestetix> Which is fucking stupid
17:48 < RangerZ> no
17:48 < RangerZ> perfect sense _for the company_
17:48 < RangerZ> it IS better
17:48 < RangerZ> and for a lot of employees it would be better too
17:48 < RangerZ> _face time_ with a big boss, can really help at time for promotions, etc
17:48 < RangerZ> otherwise you can fallback on metrics like "lines of code written"
17:49 < aestetix> It depends on the nature of your job. And your situation.
17:49 < RangerZ> which is .... not ideal
17:49 < aestetix> If you have a family with kids in schools and such, it sucks.
17:49 < RangerZ> fuck all that nonsense... I'd rather interview with Deans for a tenure track position.... less stressful than working in silly valley
17:49 < RangerZ> and whats sad is.... I'm not even kidding
17:50 < RangerZ> 1 of only 250 applicants... isn't bad for a top paying job like that
17:50 < aestetix> At least the Dean is likely not to be a sociopath
17:50  * RangerZ things aestetix hasn't dealt with many Deans
17:50 < RangerZ> ;)
17:50 < RangerZ> lol
17:50 < RangerZ> but yeah, I get your point
17:51 < aestetix> Do Deans often ask you to do things that are either unhealthy or illegal?
17:51 < RangerZ> not in Union states/schools
17:51 < RangerZ> ;)
17:51 < aestetix> Or do something like... threaten to fire you if you don't forfeit your stock options
17:51 < RangerZ> all of which are highly illegal
17:52 < RangerZ> and you could OWN the company if they are done to you
17:52 < aestetix> what?
17:52 < RangerZ> yep
17:52 < RangerZ> fair employement legislation
17:52 < aestetix> The big about stock options.... Mark Pincus did that... former CEO of Zynga
17:53 < RangerZ> http://www.dfeh.ca.gov/Publications_FEHADescr.htm about discrimination
17:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: DFEH - FEHA Description (at www.dfeh.ca.gov)
17:53 < RangerZ> and stocks is SCC
17:53 < RangerZ> SEC*
17:53 < aestetix> A lot of CEOS will either threaten or pass for promotion someone who doesn't work on saturdays, or come to after-hours things, etc
17:53 < RangerZ> there are STRICK laws about what a company can do with stock options/etc
17:53 < aestetix> RangerZ: well yes.
17:53 < aestetix> But that implies you don't have a team of young fresh college kids who don't know their rights.
17:55 < RangerZ> no
17:55 < RangerZ> that implies you have a team of young fresh college kids who aren't burdened with lifelong debt if they don't keep this one super high paying super stressful job
17:55 < aestetix> That too.
18:01 < aestetix> what's really scary about the bay area right now
18:02 < aestetix> all the really fancy late model cars on the road
18:02 < aestetix> It seems like 2/3 of the cars are BMW, lexus, mercedes, etc
18:02 < RangerZ> fuck that shit
18:02 < RangerZ> if my car can't drive ME
18:02 < RangerZ> then i'm not spending more than 15k
18:02 < RangerZ> lol
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18:25 <@Bahhumbug> Let me know how the modern Yugos are.
18:30 < aestetix> Dagmar: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronicmusic/comments/2m88ye/hi_im_missi_from_dancesafe_this_is_my_ama/
19:27 < aestetix> ok so
19:27 < aestetix> http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html
19:27 < aestetix> I guess running hexdump -C is enough now
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20:25 < RangerZ> "what kind of monster would throw a pig under the bus"
20:25 < RangerZ> turn on the tv and  msnbc and thats all i hear
20:25 < RangerZ> lol
20:26 < aestetix> ...... what?
20:32 < aestetix> I miss corydon
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20:48 < RangerZ> about a pig farming industry that the Iowa gov. called christy over
20:48 < RangerZ> to stop NJ from passing a basicly symbolic law banning a cruel way of caging pigs
20:51 < aestetix> http://online.wsj.com/articles/americans-cellphones-targeted-in-secret-u-s-spy-program-1415917533
20:51 < aestetix> is this from snowden?
21:00 <@rhia> probably gonna regret breaking lurk mode, but why would it be from snowden?
21:01 <@rhia> nm
21:01 <@rhia> paywall
21:02 < aestetix> if you paste the url into google, it'll load it
21:02 < aestetix> that's also how I get around the NYT paywall :)
21:02 <@rhia> nope
21:02 < aestetix> oh huh
21:03 < aestetix> this sounds like a job for pastebin :)
21:03 < aestetix> http://pastebin.com/pMMPTDwR
21:04 <@rhia> the onion type places really need to do an article about the GOP blocking Loretta Lynn
21:04 < aestetix> oh jesus they are?
21:04 < aestetix> on what grounds?
21:04 <@rhia> thanks, aestetix
21:04 < aestetix> np
21:05 < aestetix> oh ok
21:05 < aestetix> http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7217527/the-us-marshals-are-scanning-millions-of-american-phones-with-fly-by
21:05 <@rhia> they're threatening to block Loretta Lynch, NOT the Clinton era Loretta Lynch, a completely different Lorreta Lynch - hench the joke
21:05 < aestetix> ohhhh lol
21:05 < aestetix> yeah I saw Obama is nominating her for AG
21:13 < RangerZ> aestetix: why there is a boolmarklet that will get past the NYT paywall too
21:13 < RangerZ> b/c it only uses CSS to 'stop' you
21:13 < aestetix> cool
21:14 < RangerZ> just disables scroll and puts a 'click me' window' up
21:17 < RangerZ> [. Use an incognito window in Chrome]
21:17 < RangerZ> lol
21:18 < RangerZ> http://euri.ca/2011/get-around-new-york-times-20-article-limit/ but there you go
21:18 < aestetix> does that also work for the WSJ?
21:18 < RangerZ> no
21:18 < aestetix> I really wish there were just a way I could tip the article
21:18 < aestetix> like drop a couple pennies for it
21:19 < RangerZ> http://uncommonprogrammer.blogspot.com/2013/05/wall-street-journal-and-my-war-on.html
21:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Uncommon Programmer: Wall Street Journal and my War on Paywalls (at uncommonprogrammer.blogspot.com)
21:19 < RangerZ> there is the WSJ one
21:20 < RangerZ> aestetix: there is https://flattr.com/
21:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Flattr - Social microdonations (at flattr.com)
21:21 < RangerZ> you put X$ into a distributed tip per month
21:21 < RangerZ> so each flatr, gives them X/Y tips per month where Y is the total number of articles you flatr
21:22 < aestetix> so
21:22 < aestetix> one problem with rain: the air pressure drops and I get sick
21:22 < aestetix> (we had a little rain this morning)
21:25 < RangerZ> thats why a lot of people move to AZ
21:25 < RangerZ> etc
21:28 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2m7h3g/tifu_by_ordering_a_stripper_for_my_18_year_old/
21:29 < aestetix> this is kind of epic
21:35 <@rhia> aestetix, TLDR, but ... wtf did he expect, ordering a stripper cheap (out of the yellow pages/off craigs list/ from reddit/ fill in the blank)?
21:37 < aestetix> rhia: to be fair he is 18
21:37 < aestetix> but yeah
21:37 < aestetix> That's like looking for a prostitute in the thrifty nickle
21:38 <@rhia> btw, FEMINIST is not, repeat NOT, a dirty word - despite what the short sighted small minded microscopically penised desperate-bout-losing-eons-of-privilege angry "mens rights" assholes might say
21:38 <@rhia> AND
21:38 < aestetix> rhia: fauxminist is the term I use
21:39 <@rhia> despite all the pyschotwinkie girls bitch about
21:39 < aestetix> to separate actual feminists from the wackos
21:39 <@rhia> i will go on record here
21:39 <@rhia> I am a proud feminist ... because i know what the fucking words means
21:40  * aestetix nods
21:41 <@rhia> it's just a tag line to get men to go "eh?" to bring all humans to an equal footing ...
21:42 <@rhia> because, unfortunately, too damned many of the ballsack carrying members of humanity only view the world thru other ball sack members of the same skin reflective qualities .... sigh
21:42 < aestetix> rhia: have you ever read the short story "The Yellow Wallpaper"?
21:44 <@rhia> on that note, thanks aestetix for the pastebin, everyone nashvegas should make a spectacle of elevating jonnyx to PN EVANGELIST status (to get him OFF the decision making committee), and the rest of you lurking... understood
21:45 <@rhia> (you guys make fake reality tv look tame - wtF do they pipe in the water in TN?)
21:45 < RangerZ> "Republican, Who Is Chair of Environment Committee, Believes Climate Change is a Hoax"
21:45 < RangerZ> faith_in_humanity --;
21:45 <@rhia> "Who is Inhofe?"
21:45 < RangerZ> 100 internet bucks to rhia
21:47 < aestetix> I take it he's not from California
21:47 < aestetix> because this drought is convincing everyone here that climate change is real
21:48 <@rhia> aestetix, inhofe is from planet corporation, er, planet tea party
21:48 < aestetix> ugh
21:48 <@rhia> eryc, planet CHRIST IS COMING TOMORROW tea party
21:48 < aestetix> The tea party is basically the retarded branch of Jeffersonians
21:49 <@rhia> where the fuck did eryc come from?
21:49  * rhia moves cat from desk
21:49 <@rhia> aestetix, don't dare fuck up Jefferson that way
21:50 < aestetix> rhia: huh?
21:50 < aestetix> Jefferson was brilliant. Some of his followers, not so much.
21:50 <@rhia> the tea party are theocrats, period
21:52 <@rhia> they don't want Jefferson's rules, they want their own personal beliefs --- a combination of Jebus and Birchism
21:53 < aestetix> rhia: Jefferson was in favor of a weak central government. Whereas the Tea Party seems to want no central government...
21:53 <@rhia> the tea party today has ZERO to do with the actual historical founding of our nation
21:53 < aestetix> Well yes
21:53 < aestetix> Please don't tell me you know people who don't understand that
21:53 <@rhia> aestetix, they want NO central government, except for regulating sex and lady parts like their interpretation of the bible says
21:54 < aestetix> ugh
21:54 <@rhia> aestetix, does my dad and aunts, uncles, and cousins twice removed and their family count?
21:55 <@rhia> aestetix, remember, i am ancient (for this channel), i know tons of that mindset
21:55 < aestetix> .... wow
21:55 < aestetix> I don't think it's an age thing. I am not sure what it is.
21:55 <@rhia> and, unfortunately, am on all their email lists
21:56 <@rhia> you can't be "good" without "god" is one major factor
21:56 <@Dagmar> Well, that's why I only eat free-range babies.
21:57 <@rhia> and, shhhhhh, but, them damned red communists (from the commie scare of the 1940's) elected a nig, er, blackie, er, KENYAN
21:57 < aestetix> What made the US so fucking stupid?
21:58 <@rhia> Dagmar, they are more tender, but cage fed do well with a good braise
21:58 <@rhia> aestetix, religion
21:59 < aestetix> Hmm.
21:59 < aestetix> Maybe more fundamentalism.
22:00 < aestetix> Religion itself isn't bad. The search for truth and all that.
22:00 <@rhia> what did ANY politician (aside from the progressives) run on this past election?  the GOP ran on "NOT OBAMA" and the dems ran on "NOT THE TEA PARTY"
22:00 < aestetix> But the whole "god hates fags" crap....
22:00 < RangerZ> tea party is the same people as the 'christian coalition' and before then the 'republican base'
22:00 <@rhia> aestetix, i'd argue that religion is bad,
22:01 < RangerZ> damn it late... didn't realize chat was scrolled up
22:01 < aestetix> Of course I live in probably the most secular part of the US
22:01 <@rhia> it teaches people to ignore facts and reality in favor of feel good belief with no reason to believe
22:01 <@rhia> RangerZ, np
22:02 < RangerZ> religion is a great way to feel better at night
22:02 <@rhia> RangerZ, pfft, fucking is a much better way to feel better at night ;)
22:02 < RangerZ> if you think an invisible man in the sky correcting all the bad things you do, in the 'real life' after this one, as long as you believe in him... then life is SUPER easy
22:02 <@rhia> RangerZ, that's the problem with religion
22:02 < aestetix> uh
22:03 < aestetix> RangerZ: yes, that is fucking stupid
22:03 < RangerZ> no
22:03 < RangerZ> it makes perfect sense if it is drilled into you from birth
22:03 < RangerZ> and it is 'easier'
22:03 < aestetix> I think the question of "where do we come from" is well worth asking. But not that crap you just said
22:03 < RangerZ> than thinking for yourself
22:03 <@rhia> so, yeah, aestetix religion is at it's base, bad for humans ... religion teaches people that THIS LIFE is just a trial run
22:04 <@rhia> so, no incentive to improve things here for everyone, major incentive to fuck over and/or kill everyone who doesn't share your particular version of fantasy
22:04 < aestetix> But yeah, I'm a fan of theology. Religion, not so much.
22:04 <@rhia> aestetix, defend magical thinking
22:04 < sasquatc4> depends on the religion, and which version of that religion as well
22:04 < aestetix> huh?
22:05 < aestetix> rhia: theology as in studying the nature of "the divine" whatever that might be
22:05 <@rhia> aestetix, you say you're a fan of theology (arguing about magic thinking), defend it
22:05 < sasquatc4> at this point modern judaism has no emphasis on the afterlife what so ever, not that judaism really ever did to begin with, im just hoping one day christianity will catch up and realize too that all that shit is fables, use it as lessons, apply it your life, and move on
22:06 < sasquatc4> quit trying to drill it in to other people, no one else gives a fuck about your god
22:06 < aestetix> rhia: I think an understanding of theology is incredibly useful for understanding society at large today
22:06 < aestetix> sasquatc4: agreed
22:06 <@rhia> theology - theos - gods - supernatural untestable beings
22:06 <@rhia> aestetix, agreed, but, not a fan
22:06 <@rhia> consider me a happy antagonist
22:07 < aestetix> rhia: keep in mind I'm a discordian, so I have a healthy skepticism of logic :)
22:07 <@rhia> i get it, i really do, and Because i get it, i vehemently reject it
22:07 < aestetix> for example, I find christianity absolutely fascinating
22:08 < aestetix> especially the early church, which basically grew out of the ruins of the roman empire, etc
22:08 <@rhia> then, as a discordian, don't say you're a "fan" (fan == fanatical)
22:08 < aestetix> rhia: fair enough :p
22:08  * rhia hugs
22:08 < aestetix> How about I am interested in it
22:09 <@rhia> words matter
22:09 < aestetix> right, I know
22:09 < aestetix> I mean I just spent a month reading about the trojan war
22:09 <@rhia> aestetix, i find christianity absolutely terrifying, only slightly less so than the other two branches of the Abrahamics
22:10 <@rhia> religion is very, very good for giving people excuses to kill other people
22:11 <@rhia> or just treat them as dirt
22:12 <@rhia> i can kinda give a grudging nod towards "spiritual" ... until they start with "my system is THE right system"
22:12 <@rhia> but religion is poison, imnsho
22:13 <@rhia> yes, i can read about the universe, the speed of light, a black hole, a seed sprouting and say "WOW, that is AWESOME",
22:13 < sasquatc4> i still really think it depends on how its used and taught. I know when i grew up in nashville I even had friends that later in life told me for the longest time they thought I was going to go to hell since I was originally brought up jewish and they were baptist
22:14 < sasquatc4> which blew my mind
22:14 <@rhia> why ruin it with "because that's awesome, beat gay people, stomp on women, and kill other people who like sunsets better"
22:14 < sasquatc4> but all the jewish sunday schools i went to basically taught the entire old testament as fables, discussed their meanings and what they could teach us, and that was about it, there wasnt even really an emphasis on god, that was more up to the individual
22:15 <@rhia> and, i have now spoken in here more tonight than the last year....
22:16 <@rhia> nashvegas peeps - create a super-god-mode title PN Evangelist, make a ceremony, grant it to jonnyx, then kick him off the committee and elect someone with less ego and more common sense
22:17 < sasquatc4> so i wouldnt blanket all religion being bad, but people really need to stop taking the easy way out with it and just say its the answer to everything, and thats all you ever need to know is whatever twisted version and meanings we pull out of it is how you should live your life
22:17 <@rhia> if you want to keep PN, or, just say "it was fun while it lasted"
22:18 <@rhia> either way, quit the back room harping and bitching and moaning and groaning - iow, shit or get off the damned pot
22:18 <@rhia> on that note, g'nite
22:21 <@rhia> or, in the words of the sage master of Jedi-ism "do, or not do" (to tie it back in to religion <G>)
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22:32 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yd-m9AR7mY Dagmar TIL: Elite Dangerous wants to be a better Star Citizen
22:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Future of Elite: Dangerous - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:33 <@oddball> !weather bna
22:33 <@GateKeeper> oddball: Nashville International, TN :: Clear :: 27F | Wind Chill: 17F | Thursday: Clear. Lows overnight in the mid 20s. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 24F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
22:41 < RangerZ1> !weather bna tomorrow
22:41 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Nashville International, TN :: Clear :: 27F | Wind Chill: 17F | Thursday: Clear. Lows overnight in the mid 20s. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 24F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
22:41 < RangerZ1> !help weather
22:41 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: (weather <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "wunderground $*".
22:41 < RangerZ1> !help wunderground
22:41 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: (wunderground [--options] <location>) -- Fetch weather and forcast information for <location> Location must be one of: US state/city (CA/San_Francisco), zipcode, country/city (Australia/Sydney), airport code (KJFK) Use --help to list all options. Ex: 10021 or Sydney, Australia or KJFK
22:42 < RangerZ1> !wunderground --help
22:42 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: ERROR: I did not find a preset location for you. Set via setweather <location>
22:42 < RangerZ1> !wunderground 37216 --help
22:42 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Nashville, TN :: Partly Cloudy :: 27F | Wind Chill: 17F | Thursday: Mainly clear. Lows overnight in the low 20s. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 23F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
22:42 <@oddball> Tomorrow is supposed to be high 36/low 23
22:42 < RangerZ1> at this point, I'm just kinda curious as how to get the damn bot to spit that out
22:42 < RangerZ1> lol
22:42 <@oddball> heh
22:44 < RangerZ1> its good to be the king.... or governor's son.... to get your pot conviction pardoned... by your father... after he loses his re-election
22:44 < RangerZ1> lol
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22:45 <@oddball> Georgia, wasn't it?
22:45 < RangerZ1> Arkansas governor to pardon son on drug charges
22:46 < RangerZ1> people don't get arrested for pot in GA
22:46 < RangerZ1> just ask dragoncon
22:46 < RangerZ1> lol
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22:47 < RangerZ1> [People Camping Out For Black Friday Deals ALREADY!!!] fuck this headline
22:48 <@oddball> Well, and I think the guy had something like 3 years of probation.
23:03 < RangerZ1> http://youtu.be/RVtjnH_5r_g?t=7m3s
23:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Assassins Creed Unity | Opinions So Far on Performance, Graphics & Gameplay - YouTube (at youtu.be)
23:03 < RangerZ1> HAHAHA
23:03 < RangerZ1> just watch for ~1min
23:03 < RangerZ1> nvm 2min
23:04 < RangerZ1> first 1:30 after that is just setup for when I hurt myself laughing at the coding god's blessing his timing
23:05 <@oddball> I like the "wait." and pause as the character is just hanging in the air.
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