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00:00 < aestetix> I can't see working for 40 years at a tech startup.
00:00 < aestetix> Hell, it's hard to even see 4 years at most of them.
00:04 < aestetix> Is it bad in nashville yet?
00:05 <@oddball> We typically don't have those issues.
00:05 < aestetix> I also noticed that most of them use macs, and most of these macs are the same docile color as the walls/carpet in a lot of the generic suburban houses.
00:05 <@oddball> Although, I don't have much experience with tech startups around here.
00:09 <@Dagmar> That's because tech doesn't start here.
00:09 <@oddball> true
00:18 <@northrup> oddball: I wish there were tech companies in Nashville of that caliber....
00:18 <@oddball> Actually, I did know of one tech startup that acted like that... they went out of business a while ago.
00:19 <@northrup> Heh... I don't doubt it
00:20 <@northrup> it's not that I *want* that kind of company here per say
00:20 <@northrup> I would like the injection of cash and innovation
00:20 <@northrup> as opposed to forgettable ideas that people think are better than sliced bread and companies that don't know how to focus and create a viable product.
00:21 <@oddball> Well, as far as an injection of cash, Beretta is in the middle of moving all their US operations to Gallitan.
00:21 <@Dagmar> 1. Create services
00:21 <@Dagmar> 2. Give services away.
00:21 <@Dagmar> 3. ???
00:21 <@Dagmar> 4. PROFIT!
00:21 <@Dagmar> northrup: Your name came up while talking to my brother two weeks ago
00:22 <@oddball> shit... I think NotLarry needs to see this: http://www.kiltthis.com/collections/floor-length-full-length-utility-kilts-from-hip-to-ankle/products/black-leather-utility-kilt-full-length-floor-length-custom-fit
00:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Utility Kilt Full Length Leather Utility Kilt for Men Black Leather Utility Kilt Full Floor Length Custom Fit | Kiltthis.com (at www.kiltthis.com)
00:22 <@Dagmar> That's called "a dress".
00:22 <@oddball> heh
00:23 <@Dagmar> I suppose it would be very handy for a chainsaw murder
00:23 <@oddball> It's definately stretching the definition of "kilt" a good bit.
00:24 <@oddball> But he was seriously talking about trying to make a leather sarong.
00:24 <@northrup> Dagmar: seriously?
00:24 <@Dagmar> northrup: Yep.
00:24 <@Dagmar> It took me a little while to realize why I recognized the name
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00:25 <@northrup> Now I'm curious... who's your brother?
00:30 <@northrup> I worked with a guy who had one of those... it looked cool, but I couldn't bring myself to buy one.
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00:31 <@oddball> One that went to the floor?  Or a more standard kilt?
00:31 < aestetix> Dagmar: 3. sell all the users data shamelessly to the government and other corporations
00:31 <@Dagmar> A floor-length kilt is called a dress.
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00:32 <@oddball> Nope still a skirt.  A dress includes something to cover the upper body. :p
00:34 <@northrup> oddball: a standard kilt, the Utility Kilt to be exact
00:34 <@oddball> Gotcha
00:34 <@oddball> I've got a few Utilikilts.  They're damned comfy.
00:35 <@oddball> Took my then girlfriend/now wife three years of pestering to get me to buy the first one.
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00:36 <@oddball> Now I own 4 of that brand, 2 5.11 "tactical" kilts, and 2 traditional ones. :)
00:37 <@northrup> Heh, I'll have to check it out again.
00:39 <@oddball> And yeah... it wook me a while to be comfortable wearing one out and about and not at a scifi con.
00:39 <@oddball> s/wook/took.
00:39 <@northrup> oddball: hahahah!!
00:40 <@oddball> Then I wore one to the NRA convention last year and got a shit ton of compliments and no grief, so... :)
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07:49 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:57 <@wilpig> Dolemite: we had an opendcim visitor yesterday that was very illiterate
07:58 <@Dolemite> I read
07:59 <@Dolemite> Apparently he didn't know how to click on the Participation link
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08:04 <@wilpig> heard about a show yesterday i'm gonna have to check out.  sounds really bad.  "Treehouse Masters"
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08:14 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I've seen it
08:14 <@Dolemite> It's a show that will simply make you want to punch someone in the face, vagina, or both.
08:14 <@Dolemite> People who have WAY too much fucking money building these elaborate houses up in the trees
08:14 <@wilpig> haha
08:15 <@wilpig> that's about how it was described too
08:22 <@Dolemite> What was that crazy show you were watching last year?  Something along the lines of 90 Day Fiancee?
08:22 <@wilpig> yup
08:22 <@wilpig> still watching it
08:22 <@wilpig> cracks my shit up
08:22 <@Dolemite> Oh, by the way, in looking for a download of this week's Dr. Who, I discovered that, as with all things, there's now a Dr. Who Porn Parody.
08:23 <@wilpig> this year they have a 20 yr old muslim marrying a 40yr old fatty
08:23 <@wilpig> you brought up the dr who porn in here before
08:24 <@Dolemite> Ah, that's right
08:24 <@Dolemite> Well this time I actually downloaded it
08:26 <@wilpig> "so what's your budget for this tree house?"  we're thinking $200,000....
08:27 <@Dolemite> Probably a low ball number
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08:54 < RangerZ> http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2014/11/dance-your-ph-d-winner-announced wow....
08:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dance Your Ph.D. winner announced | Science/AAAS | News (at news.sciencemag.org)
08:54 < RangerZ> I'd rather fucking work for 8 years for my phd
08:55 < RangerZ> (no, not to 'get' your phd... but a dance based ON your phd), lol
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10:21 < aestetix> god
10:21 < aestetix> all these people keep posting photos of really good meat to reddit
10:21 < aestetix> it makes me want a steak
10:22 <@wilpig> insert dick joke /r/bigdicks ?
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11:14 <@Mirage> Dagmar: start job hunting yet or still enjoying your staycation?
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11:40 < Synx|hm> how scatchy is it to help a former cowoker who just got let go find a job?
11:41 < Synx|hm> with one of our active customers (they have asked me in the past for references if i ever get any to hire someone for the type of work we do)
11:41 <@oddball> Just check to make sure that there's not a no compete clause in your contract.
11:41 <@Dolemite> Yeah, don't go work for Jimmy John's!
11:41 < Synx|hm> oh its not for me, i still work here
11:42 < Synx|hm> and yes there is a no compete clause but good fucking luck getting that enforced
11:44 <@oddball> Although, frankly, if the company already fired him, I'm not real sure how well a non compete works.  Or if they'd bother trying to enforce it.
11:44 < Synx|hm> ya he was layed off not fired, and if he takes the severance he has to sign a doc that says he acknowledges the non compete he previously signed
11:45 <@oddball> ah... then that might be an issue.
11:45 < Synx|hm> but still, non compete historically is not enforcable in the courts, so unless you go and scalp and account i dont see them being able to do anything, especially in our line of business
11:45 <@oddball> Well, "not enforcible" doesn't mean that the company might not try anyways.
11:45 < Synx|hm> we do very specalized testing and its really eh only world to get a job in ha
11:46 < Synx|hm> true, i had neglected to think about the money required to hire a lawyer
11:46 < Synx|hm> ha
11:46 <@oddball> You could always ask your HR dept.
11:47 < Synx|hm> ya no, people getting layed off left and right when we really need them, not going to add my name to that bucket
11:47 < Synx|hm> ill silently work on my resume and try and find a job on my own first then quit this place
11:48 < Synx|hm> i love the work, love my cowokers and enjoy my managers, i hate the way the company is run though, and very much dislike our sales force (not personally, just professionally)
11:51 <@oddball> Or you could have him contact HR for clarification.
11:51 < Synx|hm> he's tried that before, their blanket answer is always NO YOU CANNOT GO WORK THERE
11:51 < Synx|hm> kinda makes it hard to find work aside from McDonalds
11:52 <@oddball> Then there's your answer.  If they find out, there's a decent chance that they'll go after him/the other company.
11:52 < Synx|hm> scummy
11:52 <@wilpig> I had a noncompete but luckily I was able to leave the area to get away from it
11:52 <@oddball> Although, if that's the only game in town for his skill set...
11:52 < Synx|hm> yes only game in the country for this specific skill, basically we have propritary software and he'd be working on it
11:53 <@oddball> Doing what?  Support?  Code?
11:53 < Synx|hm> code kinda, basically QA Dev work
11:54 < Synx|hm> he;s been trainined on our software for 15 years so basically thats his marketable skillset
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> If your industry sector is that niche there is a court in the world that would side with them on the non-compete.
11:54 <@oddball> That skill shit should translate to other software companies.
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> fuck my fingers.
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> s/is a /is not a/
11:54 < Synx|hm> Bahhumbug: ya i agree ZERO chance it would be upheld in court, but god only knows the costs of going to court for a individual
11:55 < Synx|hm> oddball: its not general QA stuff, its very specific, and directly tied to the software my company produces/owns
11:55 <@Bahhumbug> There is little chance a court, esp here in the south, would ever hear the case in the first place.
11:56 < Synx|hm> ok switching gears a bit here, have an electric water heater (looks fairly new), the master tub and guest shower when the hot water finally reaches the faucet dumps blue residue into the tub for a few sec
11:56 < Synx|hm> every time
11:57 < Synx|hm> is that copper? or possibly annode from heater element corroding
11:57 < Synx|hm> and do i need to be worried about it, i have a 15month that sits in that tub every few days for a bath
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> Not an expert but my guess would be anode.
11:58 <@oddball> And it's been doing that for several days?
11:58 < Synx|hm> oddball: its been doing it since we moved in 4 months ago
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> @google bluish residue from hot water tank
11:58 <@oddball> That's fucking weird.
11:58 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Copper corrosion and blue water in residential water system: <http://www.finishing.com/304/79.shtml>; Particles in water supply traced to water heater: diagnosis and repair ...: <http://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Hot_Water_Tank_Debris_Flush.htm>; Guide to Common Water Quality Concerns - City of Corpus Christi: <http://www.cctexas.com/Assets/Departments/Water/Files/GuideCommonConcerns.pdf>; (2 more messages)
11:58 < Synx|hm> maybe bad grounding on the water heater causing the anode to corrode
11:59 < Synx|hm> Bahhumbug: ya im on that link now
11:59 <@NotLarry> Another day in paradise...
12:00 <@oddball> I would think that that could happen if you don't use that faucet for a while, but a faucet used on a regular basis?
12:00 <@wilpig> NotLarry: is pat on vacation?
12:00 < Synx|hm> oddball: yes every other day basically, if i had to guess its probably in the water tank itself and because of the restrictors on most other faucets we just dont notice it
12:01 <@NotLarry> not sure.  I should check the schedule
12:20 < Synx|hm> is tmux just an alternative to screen?
12:22 <@brimstone> like teslas are alternatives to VW Rabbits
12:23 < Synx|hm> ha ok i think that explains it well enough
12:26 < Neoteric> anyone know Andrew Miller JR ? > http://tennesseefreedomcoalition.wordpress.com/about-us/board-of-directors/
12:26 < Neoteric> or know of a way for my ass to get to his ass ?
12:28 < aestetix> Neoteric: maybe ask Corydon
12:29 < Neoteric> this doesn't count as asking corydon ?
12:29 < Neoteric> wait wtf is he ?
12:34 <@wilpig> Neoteric: he /emoquit here a while back
12:34 <@wilpig> he's still on freenode though. /msg corydon76
12:36 <@northrup> Synx|hm: are you a screen guy or a tmux guy? I was a screen guy that switched to tmux
12:37 <@Dolemite> Ok, got signed up to become an NRA Certified Rifle Instructor.
12:37 <@Dolemite> It's crazy that I have to do that just to train people to be a Range Safety Officer for BB Guns, but there isn't one specific for that, so they require you go "up a level" to full-on rifles.
12:38 <@northrup> Dolemite: that's odd - but then again, at the end you're an NRA Certified instructor
12:38 <@Dolemite> yeah
12:39 < aestetix> god damnit
12:39 < aestetix> the voter guide I was using just crashed
12:42 < Synx|hm> northrup: ive always used screen in the past, but i just used tmux for the first time yesterday, looks interesting
12:44 < aestetix> I wonder if this whole sacrifice yourself to your job bullshit is a millennial thing
12:45 < Synx|hm> its a; there is no work, do what ever you can so we are all stuck deeper and deeper in this rat race, its cylical and never ending
12:46 < aestetix> There is plenty of work, it's just that there are machines doing it all now
12:49 < aestetix> Synx|hm: it's turning the US into a really bad place to live
13:01 <@brimstone> what's benthemeek's email?
13:02 <@brimstone> @gmail.com right?
13:03 < Synx|hm> aestetix: yup i work 50-60 hour weeks as the norm now ON SALARY
13:04 < Synx|hm> it fucking blows
13:04 < aestetix> Synx|hm: and if you leave your job, you lose your health insurance
13:04 < Synx|hm> yup
13:05 < Synx|hm> and if i dont work the hours i get fired and they find someone else who will
13:05 < aestetix> is TN at at will state?
13:05 < aestetix> an at*
13:06 <@Dolemite> yes
13:06 < aestetix> that right there is fucking things up
13:06 < Synx|hm> whats at will mean?
13:06 < aestetix> you can quit or be fired at any time for any (or no) reason
13:07 < Synx|hm> i know that sucks but by shouldn't it be that way
13:07 < aestetix> It basically means if the company decides to suddenly change your role so you can't do it, can you be fired with no recourse
13:07 <@Dolemite> other than for reasons protected by law, such as race, gender, etc
13:07 < aestetix> Synx|hm: the reason is because it gives the companies way too much power over employees
13:07 < Synx|hm> true
13:08 < aestetix> So if your boss comes and says "I want you to work on saturdays from now on. If you don't, you're fired"
13:08 < aestetix> You can't do anything
13:08 < Synx|hm> ahh, well that should be the right of the company, but we should have actually realistic labor laws
13:09 < aestetix> well we do to some extent
13:09 < Synx|hm> like you cant make salary people work over 40 hours a week unless you pay them OT
13:09 < Synx|hm> i work weekends/nights all the fucking time, because my company knowns they dont have to pay me extra
13:09 < aestetix> Synx|hm: the reason they won't do that is salaried workers also get paid the same if they work UNDER 40 hours
13:09 < Synx|hm> ok well then they police hours people work
13:10 < aestetix> What has happened in the bay area is that they routinely fire employees and double the workload of others without pay
13:13 < aestetix> So typically the american response is that if your job sucks, quit and go somewhere else
13:13 < aestetix> However, besides the fact that your health care is dependent on the job, there's the fact that pretty much all jobs now subscribe to a similar model
13:13 < aestetix> IE if you work at walmart, finally get sick of it and quit and work at sears, you quickly find it's the same job with a different label
13:14 < aestetix> And of course, given that your customer base is people who are angry about their own situation and routinely use you as a punching bag for things you didn't do.... well you see where that goes
13:36 < Synx|hm> yup
13:36 < Synx|hm> makes me want to become homeless and stop worrying about anything
13:37 < Synx|hm> seriously there is no end, i work to put food on the table, pay the bills, be comfortable, and support my family
13:37 < Synx|hm> except that i dont get to spend time with my family because im working
13:37 < Synx|hm> and i dont make enough with all my other commitments to realistically have a nestegg for retirement, and no companys offer real pensions anymore, nevermind you will never work at the same place long enough if they do
13:38 < Synx|hm> there is no way to win this battle, whats the point of living life if all you do is work all day and night to support your family
13:52 < Synx|hm> we are doing this wrong, our entire life is geared torwards getting educated enough to get a job to work forever and then die
13:56 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: i'm encouraging some folks to die as quickly as possible
13:56 < Synx|hm> ha
13:59 < aestetix> Today I actually seriously considered quitting
13:59 < Synx|hm> http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/faq.htm
13:59 <@GateKeeper> 'Title: Questions and Answers About the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)\r - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor (at www.dol.gov)'
13:59 < aestetix> Synx|hm: nobody has savings anymore
14:00 <@Mirage> aestetix: get a job at VU.  After your first year that feeling is a daily occurance
14:00 < Synx|hm> so FLSA basically requires only that corporations can do what ever the fuck they want when ever the fuck they want so long as they pay you miniumn wage (except in states that lower said wage) if you are hourly
14:00 < aestetix> Synx|hm: also, remember if you are an employee you reap none of the benefits of an owner
14:01 < Synx|hm> so no our national labor laws are NOT ACCEPTABLE
14:01 < aestetix> Guess why
14:01 < aestetix> Guess who lobbies congress :p
14:01 < Synx|hm> because all the politions are in the pockets of corporations
14:01 < Synx|hm> no shit, its not a govt for the people
14:01 < Neoteric> lies
14:01 < Neoteric> corporations are people friend
14:02 < Neoteric> and friends help friends
14:02 < Neoteric> it's the poor people that should stay home and not vote
14:02 < aestetix> you know
14:02 < aestetix> I've been trying to get to vote for 3 hours
14:02 < aestetix> and I keep getting waylaid with workshit
14:03 < aestetix> and the voting place is like 2 blocks from me
14:03 < Neoteric> aestetix: stand up and vote
14:03 < aestetix> Neoteric: all I can say is I'm grateful for Obama. We'd be so fucked without him.
14:03 < aestetix> We are fucked, but it would be a LOT worse.
14:10 < Synx|hm> what did obama do to unfuck anything
14:10 < Synx|hm> both sides are corrupt asshats that do nothing but pilfer money away from good hard working people
14:10 < aestetix> Synx|hm: obamacare
14:11 < aestetix> before obamacare, if you had a pre-existing condition, you couldn't get health insurance, period
14:11 < Synx|hm> that wasn't the problem, it was the wrong solution for the wrong problem
14:11 < Synx|hm> ok right i agree pre-existing was a great thing to do away with
14:11 < Synx|hm> but healthcare needed to be re-regulated, the charges are ridiculous, have you see what a hospital bill looks like when it hits INS, its NUTS
14:12 < aestetix> it was a lot worse before
14:12 < Synx|hm> yes i agree there are some great things that are fixed in obamacare but i still dont agree it was the right way to go about it, now we are stuck with a new mess of issues
14:13 < aestetix> I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out where the US went wrong
14:13 < aestetix> I think a lot had to do with Reagan's tax reform
14:14 < Synx|hm> i spent all of 30min trying to figure it out then gave up realizing the entire system is fucked
14:14 < aestetix> Well Reagan's tax reform does two things: it makes it basically impossible for an independent contractor to set up a small business, it also fucks the middle class taxwise
14:16 < aestetix> If you try to be an independent 1099 with multiple clients
14:16 < aestetix> basically half of your money goes to taxes
14:16 < aestetix> and that does not include health coverage
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14:22 < Synx|hm> ya
14:23 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure life was managable before reagan
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14:26 < Synx|hm> anyone have a good suggested IT type resume template
14:28 <@wilpig> find mine, then do the opposite of it
14:29 < Synx|hm> sweet thanks
14:29 < Synx|hm> i want to write it in latex
14:29 <@wilpig> Dolemite: does the ADA cover USB A to A extension cables for short people that can't reach the upper nodes in a rack?
14:30 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: I think that would only get you interview at S&M clubs
14:30 < Synx|hm> haha
14:33 < aestetix> BDSM = business development sales and marketing
14:41 < Synx|hm> even better
14:42 < Synx|hm> so work just invited me into a last min conf call with sales, who sold 12 hour oncall friday-sunday then all following 3 weeks deal
14:42 < Synx|hm> starting this friday, for something that is so complex we couldn't deliver it in 4 weeks of dedicated time and meetings with the customer
14:42 < Synx|hm> and it starts this friday
14:42 < aestetix> oh man oh man
14:42 < Synx|hm> i dropped everything i was doing
14:42 < aestetix> we started a bug bounty
14:42 < Synx|hm> and started working on my resume
14:43 < aestetix> not only does nobody use our public key to submit things
14:43 < aestetix> but this guy listed off all his security credentials and certifications in his emai
14:43 < aestetix> and proceeded to send along our public key as an attachment on the email
14:44 < aestetix> an unencryptd email, I might add
14:44 <@wilpig> that's silly
14:45 < aestetix> It's kind of horrifying
14:45 < aestetix> I just hope he's lying about his certifications
14:45 <@NotLarry> aestetix: I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out where the US went wrong as well.  I concluded that allowing imigrants into the continent was probably where it started.  Time travel back and ensure the native american population is prepared to repell the invading forces might be the solution.
14:46 < aestetix> NotLarry: it's worth noting that native americans did not have an age of consent ;)
14:46 <@wilpig> how megan's law of you
14:47 <@NotLarry> aestetix: or need one...
14:47 <@NotLarry> It would probably change nothing though.  The damn europeans would eventually zerg rush north america anyway.
14:49 < aestetix> I wonder if Native americans had feminists
14:50 < aestetix> Maybe Anita Sarkeesian can do a special on how sexist they were
14:55 <@Dolemite> http://boingboing.net/2014/11/04/watch-studio-ghibli-25-years.html
14:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: WATCH: Studio Ghibli 25 Years Concert - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
14:57 <@wilpig> Dolemite: so.... ADA?
14:57 <@Mirage> aestetix: and what is the problem with mailing a _public_ key?  Private would be an issue, but public..?
14:57 <@Dolemite> wilpig: No
15:01 < aestetix> Mirage: nothing, except the purpose of sharing the public key was for them to use it to encrypt the email
15:02 <@Mirage> ah
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15:03 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I accepted your request to connect to me on LinkedIn, another social network that you'll never actually pay attention to ;)
15:04 <@Mirage> Dolemite: I login on occasion, otherwise you would never have gotten the invite..=P
15:04 <@wilpig> lies!
15:04 <@wilpig> the machines sent the invites
15:04 <@Dolemite> ^--- that
15:04 <@Mirage> So far all LinkedIn has proven to be good for is spammy bs emails
15:09 <@shapr> yay?
15:09 <@shapr> OH HAI
15:09 <@shapr> isn't morning anymore :-(
15:13 <@Dolemite> go home time
15:14 <@oddball> Oh... so I spotted in the newspaper yesterday that some folks are *still* trying to push AMP through.
15:15 <@oddball> I would have thought the neighborhoods affected managing to get a state law passed basically to block it would have been a clear enough message.
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15:32 <@wilpig> We've been invited to a screening of The Imitation Game at SVA at 8pm on November 10th.
15:32 <@wilpig> We have 50 spots available. Please sign up below if you'd like to attend. :D
15:32 <@wilpig> anyone know anything about that?
15:32 < frsilent> the turing film?
15:32 < frsilent> haven't looked into a lot but looked pretty damn interesting
15:33 < frsilent> plus...ya know...more recognition for a hero of modern comp sci who was persecuted in his own time for teh gays
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15:58 <@shapr> frsilent: speaking of modern comp sci, done any Haskell?
15:58 <@brimstone> frsilent: it's a trap!
15:58 <@brimstone> you don't have to answer that!
15:58 <@mog> frsilent, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
16:08  * wilpig glares at mog
16:08 <@wilpig> I was eating bad bbq, fucker
16:11 <@mog> wilpig, what i do now
16:12 <@wilpig> nothing today
16:12 < RangerZ> shapr: only person I know who used haskell ... is crazypants
16:13 < RangerZ> you don't want in _that_ group
16:13 < RangerZ> lol
16:15 <@mog> wilpig, i love you today and yesterday
16:16 < RangerZ> mog lies, we all know no one loves wilpig
16:16 < RangerZ> something, something, have to have a soul to be loved, something, something
16:16 < RangerZ> ;) lol
16:17 < RangerZ> shapr: about Haskell, it looks to be a half-way sane version of what python attempts to be in the 'functional' part of its design
16:17 <@shapr> well, yeah
16:18 < RangerZ> python needs to decide if it wants to be functional or OO... and just fucking decide... :/
16:18 <@shapr> it's way more sane than that even
16:18 <@shapr> RangerZ: thing is, Guido don't like functional, but everybody else who helped him start the language does/did
16:18 < RangerZ> functional is great if you are doing state-less computations
16:18 < RangerZ> so stream-processing
16:19 <@opticron> you know, if I didn't know crazypants was batshit insane from her interactions in here and choice quotes from other conversations, I might mistake her for a reasonable human being in person
16:19 < RangerZ> opticron: she was on her best behavior at the con i'm sure
16:19 < RangerZ> and I also thought the same thing
16:19 <@shapr> RangerZ: fp works fine for state-ful computations too, lemme show you sometime
16:19 < RangerZ> which is why I tried to be nice to her, but then gave up on that non-sense
16:20 < RangerZ> of course it does
16:20 <@shapr> in my experience, it's much better for stateful computations
16:20 <@opticron> I just ignored her
16:20 <@shapr> for the simple reason that putting a new value in a variable is an explicit garbage collection decision
16:20 < RangerZ> just need a data-store, and you create a push down automata
16:20 <@shapr> you're assuming that the previous value in the variable will never be used
16:20 <@shapr> and that's not always correct
16:20 < RangerZ> if you're going to be using FP, then look up automata theory
16:20 < RangerZ> its the basis for regular expression
16:20 < RangerZ> compilers
16:21 < RangerZ> parser
16:21 < RangerZ> probably my left nut... but we haven't investigated that one yet
16:21 <@shapr> I'm familiar with regexes and automata
16:22 < RangerZ> good, b/c otherwise FP would be pretty fucking useless except for stream processing, lol
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16:23 < RangerZ> some time I'll put out my LR0 parser generator ... that I wrote basically BY the --Dragon-- Compiler Book imparting its knowledge upon me
16:23  * klixa hugs shapr  back
16:24 < RangerZ> somehow I was writing parser generators... without knowing ....*cough*collections*cough*
16:24 <@shapr> ah, the dragon book :-)
16:24 <@shapr> RangerZ: try writing a parser in Haskell, you'll never go back
16:24 < RangerZ> fuck that, I have parser generators of my own now
16:24 < RangerZ> lol
16:24  * shapr shrugs
16:24 < RangerZ> actually MVC based DSL ones...
16:25 <@shapr> you're missing out, man
16:25 < RangerZ> after this fucking paper is done, I'll be going back to coding the DSL for mooc-courses
16:27 <@shapr> RangerZ: https://github.com/ghulette/haskell-parser-examples/blob/master/src/ParsecParser.hs
16:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: haskell-parser-examples/ParsecParser.hs at master · ghulette/haskell-parser-examples · GitHub (at github.com)
16:29 <@shapr> RangerZ: if I ever get any spare time, would be neat to write up a parser in Haskell to match some parser you've written, that might actually be persuasive :-)
16:31 < RangerZ> thats the thing, I don't write parsers
16:31 < RangerZ> no need, just feed a definition into a gen, and be done
16:31 < RangerZ> lol
16:32 < Synx|hm> anyone know if Garland font is in OSX by default, thinking about using it on my resume
16:32 < Synx|hm> Garamond that is
16:32 < Synx|hm> yikes
16:32 < RangerZ> but yes, this is very much the pseudo-code representation of a parser, but only b/c they include the lexer and parser parent classes
16:33 < RangerZ> use comic sans
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16:33 < RangerZ> I purposely use that font whenever possible, just to fuck with fonties
16:33 < RangerZ> lol
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16:37 <@shapr> RangerZ: that's an actual parser
16:38 < RangerZ> yeah i know
16:38 <@shapr> RangerZ: I had a class assignment to write a one page paper on how to design a word count algorithm
16:39 < RangerZ> like I said, it uses the default parser classes(or w/e haskell calls them)
16:39 <@shapr> So I wrote the actual algorithm in the paper, and used it to count the words: http://www.scannedinavian.com/~shae/WordCount.pdf
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16:39 <@shapr> I think my instructor would have been irritated/angry if she had actually figured out what was going on.
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17:04 < RangerZ> got some spam, if anyone wants to troll, etc... [I am a 23 year old Brown hair 100 Lbs! ....hit me on txt 702<747>6731]
17:07 < spaceB0x> could be hilarious
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17:08 <@oddball> doggy! http://tinyurl.com/lteqawm
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> Do Want
17:08 < RangerZ> same
17:09 < RangerZ> imagine a burgler opening the door to that
17:09 <@Bahhumbug> Disposing of victims wouldn't be a problem.
17:09 <@oddball> It's a Russia Caucasian.  Apparently one of the roles it was bred for was to hunt bears.
17:09 <@Bahhumbug> You don't say?
17:09 <@Bahhumbug> :)
17:09 < RangerZ> he's actually a LOT like my dog back home, just a 'bit' bigger
17:10 <@Bahhumbug> My money is on the dog.
17:10 < RangerZ> http://www.dog-breeds-expert.com/images/caucasian-shepherd-attacking-courtesy-crackdotcom.jpg
17:11 < RangerZ> https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-562b9a97aa82af437ee24a299ebb1e86?convert_to_webp=true simba's dad...
17:13 <@oddball> did... it get into a fight with dryer?
17:14 < RangerZ> mine is about 1/2 the size of that, shoulders come up to my waist almost, and pure black, even the tounge (so part chowchow too)
17:14 < RangerZ> we thought he was chow/lab... mix... but I'm now saying he might be chow caucasian mix, b/c I'd never seen this breed before
17:15 < RangerZ> (abandoned and we took him in)
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18:48 < aestetix> vagina
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20:00 <@Shadow404> aestetix: yo
20:25 <@NotLarry> Seriously, my supervisor dissapeared 4 hours ago.
20:25 <@NotLarry> one can only hope
20:56 <@NotLarry> 5 hours.  And no one else has shown up to work.  I have to leave to go to other buildings.
21:07 <@wilpig> forward the phones
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22:59 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriPJYmAHqg lol
22:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Crybaby Performer Tries To Invoke The ‘Forgotten’ Rule To Take Down A Bad Review - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:00 < aestetix> Shadow404: hi
23:17 < aestetix> ugh
23:17 < aestetix> GOP now has 50 seats in the senate
23:21 < RangerZ1> i'm not even going to bother watching
23:21 < RangerZ1> I'll just wait to find out the results we know tomorrow
23:21 < RangerZ1> besides they will get the run off in LA
23:21 < RangerZ1> so there is the 51st
23:23 < aestetix> looks like Oregon might legalize marijuana
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23:37 <@Dagmar> If we're lucky the police will be involved in the next shutdown, and we can go beat up some republicans.
23:46 < aestetix> I wonder if people realize that letting the GOP control the senate means absolutely nothing will get done.
23:47 <@Dagmar> Hey man.  The rights of rapists matter.
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