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03:01 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMgfBZrrZ8
03:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: State Legislatures and ALEC (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
03:23 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: was it you who was pro-systemd ? I'm trying to find a ~5min description of what it does, and all I can find are 1hr videos of "systemd in a nutshell pt 1 of 5" or...
03:23 < RangerZ1> "why the fuck I hate systemd"
03:23 < RangerZ1> or... "why I hated systemD, but now I love it" with no real supporting arguements, just "hey it has a Domain Specific Language for services -launching/etc-
03:24 < RangerZ1> "
03:24 <@Bahhumbug> I despise it and its developers with a passion born in the deepest abyss of the darkest plane of hell.
03:24 < RangerZ1> I actually agree that a DSL is great for configuring services... etc... BUT... logs should be in text
03:24 < RangerZ1> thats the ONLY conctrete part of the fucking thing I've understood from all the jihad back and forth about it
03:24 < RangerZ1> and its wrong
03:24 <@Bahhumbug> They are in text.  journald, by default, passes everything along to syslog.
03:25 < RangerZ1> then its the 'config files' themselves that are some compressed file format
03:25 < RangerZ1> or something
03:25 <@Bahhumbug> journald's native format is binary using an encryption that has not been vetted that was written by Puttering's brother or cousin.
03:25 <@Bahhumbug> As a school project, nonetheless.
03:25 < RangerZ1> ahh
03:25 < RangerZ1> if you can find a link to that, i would enjoy looking at it
03:26 < RangerZ1> I have enough knowledge to _debug_ crypto software at least... (but not enough to bother sitting down and writing it myself, unless I get a team of QA etc... to help me)
03:28 <@Bahhumbug> I can't locate anything at the moment.  I've got too many god damned bookmarks.
03:28 <@Bahhumbug> As soon as I locate something I'll send you a url
03:28 < RangerZ1> thanks
03:28 < RangerZ1> b/c if I can't find anything, I know some PhDs that focus on crpyto/networking/etc... that might be interested (but probably don't keep up on linux's inner workings)
03:28 <@Bahhumbug> http://lwn.net/Articles/512895/
03:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Forward secure sealing [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/FbYVtogRjM1
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> His brother: http://www.crypo.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/members/bertram-poettering/
03:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bertram Poettering | Cryptographic Protocols Group | TU Darmstadt (at www.crypo.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de)
03:31 < RangerZ1> hmm
03:31 < RangerZ1> well its peer reviewed... so its not an _entirely_ hogwash idea...
03:31 < RangerZ1> but yeah... It would take a long time to prove the Lemma/Theorm
03:32 < RangerZ1> s/Lemma/Lemma(s)
03:34 < RangerZ1> damn you...
03:35 < RangerZ1> now I really wanna disect this paper
03:35 < RangerZ1> but I have my own paper to write tonight... :/ lol
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05:35 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar:
05:35 <@Bahhumbug> meh
05:35 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgyODQ
05:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Phoronix] Systemd Works On PPPoE Support (at www.phoronix.com)
05:35 <@Bahhumbug> Because all init systems need PPPoE support.
05:36 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ1: ^ this is the reason that sane people despise systemd.
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06:31 < aestetix> penis
06:44 < aestetix> bye bye headache
06:44 < aestetix> helllo red bull
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07:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:32 < aestetix> god I hate writing reports
07:59 <@wilpig> the new psychostick album came out last night
08:01 <@Dolemite> GET
08:01 <@Dolemite> OFF
08:01 <@Dolemite> MY
08:01 <@Dolemite> LAWN
08:01 <@Dolemite> Er, wait
08:02 <@Dolemite> Is that your pet name for your penis?
08:17 <@wilpig> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1524950_801741533225666_5232879866016654115_n.jpg?oh=de14f740467bd573ed06c993ca8561fc&oe=54DAD29D&__gda__=1423259040_f8836200c27f4b25a6fcd0a8441be696
08:19 <@Dolemite> Ok, like anybody is going to click on a link after I asked about the pet name for your penis
08:20 <@wilpig> they'd be missing out
08:21 <@wilpig> I just laughed my balls off.  had to chase em down
08:26 < aestetix> Dolemite: who is on your lawn
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08:39 <@wilpig> aestetix: kids
08:39 <@wilpig> don't you know?  they're attracted to lawns and then they kill them
08:40 < aestetix> wilpig: you have a penis on your lawn?
08:41 <@wilpig> I clearly stated there are kids on the lawn, it has nothing to do with my penis.  pretty sure kids + penis = name being on a list that means I have to go introduce myself to all my neighbors
08:47 < aestetix> ok wow
08:47 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/x0B03Ir.jpg
08:47 < aestetix> this is a pretty amazing photobomb
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09:24 < aestetix> hahaha
09:25 < aestetix> someone suggested this as the theme for Burning Man next year
09:25 < aestetix> 2015: A Will Call Odyssey
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09:39 <@wilpig> hahah  this new cd is making me laugh pretty hard
09:39 <@wilpig> they have a song that is called "NSFW" it's almost exclusively them singing "fuck"
09:40 <@wilpig> just put the william tell ovature in your head and on every beat sing fuck to the tune and you've got it
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10:18 < aestetix> you know what would be fun?
10:18 <@benthemeek> what?
10:19 < aestetix> hack into a company that makes sex toys, and modify their firmware in a way they can't detect. So a new shipment of electronic dildos goes out, and at random when someone is in the act, they suddenly hear mickey mouse shouting "hey kids!" from the ildo
10:20 <@benthemeek> Your mind works in ways that are truly unique my friend.
10:20 < aestetix> kind of a long con, but it would be funny
10:20 < scoob> "kind of a long con"
10:21 <@benthemeek> scoob!
10:21  * scoob waves
10:21 <@benthemeek> how was the drive back to atlanta?
10:21 <@benthemeek> Did you get to see any more nashville sites?
10:21 < scoob> I stayed for the roller derby
10:21 < scoob> which was unexpectedly awesome
10:21 <@brimstone> i just drove streat
10:21 <@brimstone> ...
10:21 <@brimstone> straight
10:22 <@oddball> benthemeek: How was Saturday night at the con?
10:22 < aestetix> btw how was PN
10:22 < aestetix> I'm really sad I couldn't make it
10:22 < scoob> ended up leaving Nashville at 9PM EST
10:22 <@benthemeek> So around 11 or midnight on saturday night someone from the makers I think had that speaker backback
10:23 < aestetix> benthemeek: hopefully life will be settled enough for me to make PN199
10:23 < aestetix> 19
10:23 < scoob> hehe
10:23 <@benthemeek> and the hotel staff came to them and said you guys are noisy could you just go into the ballroom on the end, its empty
10:23 <@Mirage> benthemeek: I haven't seen anything in channel (probably missed it), but what was the PN attendence count this year?
10:23 <@benthemeek> so an impromptu party started with the roller girls and the group
10:23 < aestetix> oh man
10:23 < aestetix> now I'm mad I didn't go
10:23 < scoob> (speaker backpack = speaker as in boombox)
10:24 <@Dagmar> ugh
10:24 <@benthemeek> oh right. What he said
10:24 <@wilpig> you're talking about the groove machine
10:24 <@Dagmar> xkcd is so wrong today
10:24 <@opticron> nope
10:24 <@opticron> two different things
10:24 <@opticron> gregabyte had a speaker backpack
10:24 <@opticron> groove machine was also there and setup in the ballroom on a table
10:24 <@benthemeek> That lasted until at least 2 am because I was editing sound in the other room and messing with netKOH some
10:25 < scoob> so everything ended at the right time
10:25 <@opticron> well, a member of groove machine anyway
10:25 < scoob> there was some event on the 10th floor on Sunday
10:25 < scoob> there was literally a line of angry people waiting for the elevator out through the lobby
10:25 <@benthemeek> Mirage I am not sure the numbers I havent followed up with tilghman
10:26 <@benthemeek> I would guess around 100
10:26 <@benthemeek> which is what we had preregister
10:26 <@benthemeek> What did you think opticron, brimstone?
10:26 <@Mirage> Corydon planning to rejoin us in channel now that the con is over and he doesn't have to worry about drama/trolling (from people besides aestetix)?
10:26 <@brimstone> yeah, 75~100
10:26 <@brimstone> 50% makers local
10:27 < scoob> lot of alabama
10:27 < aestetix> Mirage: I have a huge list of new questions for him
10:27 <@oddball> Yeah... that was my guess for attendance from what I saw on Saturday afternoon.
10:28 <@benthemeek> Next year I vote we start earlier and build in dinner and lunch breaks
10:28 < scoob> populated/active without being crowded
10:28 < scoob> was ideal imo
10:28 < scoob> yes
10:28 < scoob> do that
10:29 < scoob> well
10:29 <@wilpig> start earlier?  10am is pretty early to start
10:29 < scoob> part of that
10:29 < scoob> don't start earlier
10:29 < scoob> but do break for meals
10:29 <@wilpig> in years past we have meal breaks in there
10:29 < aestetix> why not run later?
10:29 <@wilpig> of course in years past we also supplied dinner one night
10:29 <@benthemeek> I am okay running later
10:29 <@benthemeek> I just want lunch and dinner breaks
10:29 <@wilpig> past 10pm you get people not coming out to talks.
10:29 < aestetix> If you get tired just drink a red bull
10:29 < scoob> 10am was early but I think people were up for 11 for the most part
10:30 <@benthemeek> plus it sucks when the whole room empties at 6pm for dinner for the next speaker
10:30 < scoob> mhm
10:30 <@benthemeek> I really enjoyed the NetKOH
10:31 <@benthemeek> I think just the hour or so I bugged brimstone for instructions and help was my favorite part of the con
10:31 <@wilpig> holy shit balls!  palutena is amazing for the smash run race
10:31 <@brimstone> that's lovely to hear benthemeek
10:32 <@wilpig> I think I finished before the other three people were even half way through the course
10:32 <@oddball> benthemeek: Yeah, the NetKOH looked good.
10:32 < scoob> smash for 3ds didn't do it for me
10:32 < scoob> idk
10:32 < scoob> I think I'll enjoy it more on console
10:32 <@wilpig> scoob: to that I say you didn't gvie it a chance
10:32 < scoob> which isn't untrue
10:33 < scoob> Played a bit for a few days and wasn't inclined to pick it back up
10:33 <@wilpig> you need more time commuting.  that makes many subpar games better
10:33 < scoob> yeah
10:33 <@benthemeek> I found Keith Watson super nice and approachable. He just sort of got excited when brimstone started screwing with his set up
10:33 < scoob> I used to commute via public transit
10:33 < scoob> got so much reading and podcast listening done
10:33 < scoob> now my reading list perpetually grows
10:33 < scoob> since I drive
10:33 <@benthemeek> scoob: my reading list is ridiculous
10:33 <@benthemeek> I will never be able to read all the books I want
10:33 < aestetix> hehe
10:33 <@wilpig> hrmm.  this thing is taking too long to format a 500GB drive
10:34 < scoob> If reading makes you smart I was the smartest motherfucker in the world for a while
10:34 < aestetix> I was drafting a report, and included a reference in one item to another item
10:34 < scoob> I had 90m commute each way on public transit
10:34 < aestetix> I forgot to update it so it just says "item X"
10:34 < scoob> (which I guess you could say makes me less smart)
10:34 < aestetix> however, it's referencing item 10, so I guess that works
10:34 <@oddball> There is the issue that the real strength of Smash Bros. has always been getting 3 friends to come over and everyone try to beat the shit out of each other.
10:34 <@benthemeek> scoob: What genres do you prefer?
10:34 < scoob> textbooks =p
10:34 <@wilpig> oddball: technically you can online play
10:34 <@oddball> True.
10:35 <@benthemeek> scoob: :P
10:35 <@wilpig> but the kicker now is gonna be to get 8 people over to play!
10:35 < scoob> It goes up to 8?
10:35 < scoob> what
10:35 <@wilpig> 8!
10:35 <@oddball> But it's not as much fun if you can't sling insults at each other in person.
10:35 <@wilpig> this is true
10:35 <@benthemeek> 4 was so chaotic already, i cant imagine
10:35 <@oddball> scoob: The Wii U version will, yes.
10:35 < scoob> physical interference is a large part of in-person multiplayer
10:35 <@wilpig> they have voice chat on the ds but only when you're in the fuckin' lobby
10:37 < scoob> I'm actually not really a big gamer, but I have to say
10:37 < scoob> Mario Kart 8
10:37 < scoob> a+++++++++
10:38 < scoob> looks great, plays great
10:38  * opticron really enjoyed UT
10:38 < scoob> Wish there'd be some more info on-screen (rather than just on the gamepad)
10:38 < scoob> but minor complaint for me
10:39 <@benthemeek> opticron: I will try and dig up some new maps or something for next year
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10:39 < scoob> benthemeek: did you build the UT boxes?
10:39 <@benthemeek> Its a PXE image
10:39 <@benthemeek> they dont have harddrive
10:39 < scoob> I wanted to ssh into the other clients to shut them down
10:40 < scoob> start shutting down people who kill me
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10:40 < scoob> didn't really get a chance to muck with it though
10:40 < scoob> was ssh available?
10:40 <@benthemeek> yeah its a straight ubuntu 12.04 iso
10:41 <@benthemeek> I just un squashed it and added a shell script and changed the background on the dekstop
10:41 <@benthemeek> I really should look at hardening the server
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10:42 <@benthemeek> Its running the version of the web server that gives shell access (there is actually a metasploit for it available)
10:42 < scoob> haha
10:42 <@benthemeek> The unreal webserver I mean
10:42 < scoob> shellshock?
10:42 <@benthemeek> I dont put it up on the network though
10:42 < scoob> that should've been the real netkoth network imo ={
10:42 < scoob> err =p
10:42 <@benthemeek> Yeah thats what worries me
10:43 <@benthemeek> I also need to make a good backup :P
10:45 <@benthemeek> scoob: Do you listen to audio books?
10:45 < scoob> On drives
10:45 <@benthemeek> You ever read any of the great courses?
10:46 < scoob> Basically the only time I can focus on them to be honest, cant focus on them while I'm doing other things (if I actually want to follow) and if I'm just sitting and listening I'd get bored. Rather actually read instead at that point
10:46 < scoob> nope, just googled it
10:47 <@benthemeek> I rarely read, but listen while driving/housework/mindless things
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10:48 < scoob> yeah, in that respect I -really- miss being in a public transit city
10:48 < scoob> trains/busses are perfect for that
10:49 <@benthemeek> scoob: One big thing that hotel fails at: Elevators
10:49 <@benthemeek> it was ridiculous
10:49 < scoob> yes
10:50 < scoob> <scoob> there was some event on the 10th floor on Sunday
10:50 < scoob> <scoob> there was literally a line of angry people waiting for the elevator out through the lobby
10:50 < scoob> was kind of funny to watch
10:50 <@benthemeek> That one of the right I watched a drunk guy (not one of ours) fall into saturday night
10:50  * benthemeek nods
10:50 < scoob> while it was down?
10:50 < scoob> lol
10:50 <@benthemeek> yeah
10:50 < scoob> 0 exaggeration (does that have two Gs?), it took me 4 minutes to get an elevator down from my room one day
10:51 < scoob> and no one else was in it
10:51 <@benthemeek> he was someone from the bar his friend had to practically carry him on to the other elevator. I let them go because he was close to hurling and I didnt want to chance it would be on the ridew
10:52 <@benthemeek> For those who were there saturday night sunday morning that had an elevator with the doors stuck open about a foot down below where is was supposed to be in the lobby
10:52 <@opticron> that one was fucked up most of the weekend
10:52 <@opticron> the one on the far side had weight sensor issues
10:52 <@benthemeek> They put some plants in front of it to keep people from walking into it eventually
10:52 <@opticron> only the middle elevator was running full capacity
10:53 <@opticron> I ended up taking the stairs whenever possible
10:54 < scoob> yeah, thats why the primo suites were on floor 2
10:54 <@benthemeek> Yeah some rollergirls yelled at me when I got on with them once. Said I had unbalanced it or something
10:54 < scoob> cause they knew the elevators were terrible
10:54 < scoob> hahaha
10:55 <@benthemeek> I am kind of hoping maybe the days inn next year
10:55 <@benthemeek> We had it there last phreaknic 15 I think
10:58 <@benthemeek> I REALLY liked the space talks. There is some con called interstellar in oak-ridge this month. I wonder if they would let me in if I offered to bring and unreal gaming lab
10:58 < scoob> haha
10:58 < scoob> I missed most of the solar one, but Les seems like a pretty interesting dude
10:58  * benthemeek tries to imagine a bunch of astro-physicists shooting each other between talks.
10:58 < scoob> Actually, I only caught his interstellar one
10:59 <@brimstone> interstellar5555?
10:59 <@benthemeek> I have no idea someone was telling me about it. I havent bothered to google it yet
10:59 <@benthemeek> http://www.tviw.us/
11:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: TVIW: Tennessee Valley Interstellar Workshop (at www.tviw.us)
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11:00 < Synx|hm> morning bitches
11:00 < Synx|hm> who has two thumbs and saw the Foo Fighters play for 3 hours at the Ryman Friday/Saturday morning
11:00 < Synx|hm> THIS GUY!!!
11:01 <@wilpig> hrmmm...
11:02 <@wilpig> I see your foo fighters and raise you a Les Claypool.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ul7bn6lnjqcc09j/2014-11-01%2022.08.19.jpg?dl=0
11:02 < Synx|hm> ha nice
11:03 <@benthemeek> In my very sheltered life I cant even tell you a single song by ether of those.
11:03 <@benthemeek> I am sure I have heard a foo fighters song once somewhere
11:04 < Synx|hm> if i had to guess id say yes you would have ;)
11:04 < Synx|hm> but hey its not for everyone, i acknowledge that
11:04 <@wilpig> benthemeek: be educated.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg
11:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Primus - Wynonas Big Brown Beaver - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:04 < Synx|hm> for me and the wife though, it will likely be the best show we ever see
11:04 < Synx|hm> they play stadiums, we say them at the fucking ryman
11:04 < Synx|hm> and zac brown showed up
11:05 < Synx|hm> and tony joe white
11:05 <@wilpig> i'm still sticking with the five finger death punch show was the best of the year for me
11:07 <@wilpig> benthemeek: their version of the devil comes down to georgia is pretty good too
11:07 < Synx|hm> pretty good? its fucking amazing haha
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11:08 < aestetix> link
11:08 < aestetix> I love that song
11:09 <@wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uk9IcoQ0w
11:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Primus - The Devil Went Down To Georgia - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:10 < aestetix> benthemeek: have you studied mcuh of Joseph Campbell's work?
11:15 < aestetix> man
11:15 < aestetix> the fiddle should have been a challenge in bill and ted
11:22 <@benthemeek> aestetix:  yes
11:24 <@benthemeek> aestetix: Well put it this way I have widely discussed his ideas with friends on many occasions. I haven't read Hero with a thousand faces myself. I am just very familure with it
11:24 < scoob> bill and ted 2 is underrated imo
11:24 < aestetix> benthemeek: seen his Bill Moyers interview?
11:24 <@benthemeek> No I haven't. Link?
11:24 < aestetix> oh man you'dl ove it
11:26 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wuZnoP6NY&list=PLC1XJlEHlM9oVNOPQtVcv5QeCc9AqeCoT
11:26 < aestetix> if you can ignore the subtitles
11:26 <@benthemeek> aestetix: thanks I will check it out
11:26 < aestetix> IMHO joseph campbell is just an academic discordian :)
11:28 < aestetix> benthemeek: basically if you encounter anyone who says they are familiar with campbell, if they have studied one thing it was likely the bill moyers interview
11:28 < aestetix> (although he has a LOT more)
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Did you see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgyODQ ?
11:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Phoronix] Systemd Works On PPPoE Support (at www.phoronix.com)
11:39 <@Dagmar> Oh ffs
11:39 <@Dagmar> Of course everyone needs init recieveing data from the motherfucking internet
11:39 <@Dagmar> Nothing can possibly go wrong there.
11:40 <@Dagmar> I say when the first exploit comes out for that, we just drop Poettering in a volcano.
11:40 <@Bahhumbug> Too late.
11:40 <@Bahhumbug> You have to take out Hoyer, Sievers and the other committers.
11:40 <@Dagmar> I thgink they'll get the message.
11:40 <@Dagmar> ...because writing an SELinux policy to allow systemd to touch EVERYTHING should be a "panic now" moment.
11:41 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... it doesn't work that way.
11:41 <@Bahhumbug> Puttering is RHAT's golden boy for some reason I can not yet figure out.
11:46 <@wilpig> why does my init system need to speak dsl?
11:48 <@Dagmar> It's because he thinks he can write perfect code, and his bosses are dumb enough to believe that.
11:50 <@Bahhumbug> No one tells him no.
11:50 <@Bahhumbug> Ever.
11:51 <@Bahhumbug> In all my time following his antics starting with PA years ago I've only ever seen someone tell him no once and that was the single time FESCO grew a set of balls.
11:51 <@Bahhumbug> Everyone else treats him with kid gloves.
11:52 <@Dagmar> I've seen Linux tear him a new one.
11:52 <@Dagmar> er Linus
11:53 <@Bahhumbug> That's irrelevant.  He doesn't commit to the kernel any more so Linus has dickall to say about him.  Sievers, yes.  Puttering, no.
11:53 <@Bahhumbug> And Linus even did some back-pedalling on his stance of systemd a few weeks back.
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11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Red Hat needs to put a muzzle on him.
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Or put enough pressure on freedesktop.org.
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Neither one is likely to happen.
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12:01 <@shapr> morning?
12:05 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: does RHEL still support ddate?
12:05 < aestetix> I can't remember if it was redhat or ubuntu that removed it, in one of the most douche things I've ever seen.
12:08 <@wilpig> [wilbur@provisioner-c55587d8.ewr01 ~]$ ddate
12:08 <@wilpig> Today is Boomtime, the 15th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3180
12:08 <@wilpig> aestetix: yes
12:09 < scoob> E: Unable to locate package ddate
12:09 < scoob> on a buntu box
12:10 < Synx|hm> its on my latest ubuntu LTS server release
12:11 < scoob> huh, me too
12:11 < scoob> it's on 14.04LTS but not 12.04
12:11 < scoob> LTS
12:12 <@shapr> it's in util-linux
12:12 <@shapr> dpkg -S `which ddate`
12:13 < aestetix> ok then fuck RHEL
12:13 < aestetix> oh good
12:13 < aestetix> they brought it back
12:13 < aestetix> I hope the guy who removed it was fired
12:14 <@shapr> dpkg -S $(chase $(which ddate)) # works for dpkg-alternatives
12:15 <@Bahhumbug> Fedora deprecated it a couple releases back.
12:15 < aestetix> Ok, so fuck Fedora
12:15 <@Bahhumbug> And it's back in as of 19.
12:15 < aestetix> nevermind!
12:15 <@Bahhumbug> So apparently some whining cry babies got their way.
12:15 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: it's an insult to discordians
12:16 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, back as of 18.
12:16 <@Bahhumbug> It may not have been fully dropped even when it should have been.
12:16 < aestetix> It's pure religious bigotry.
12:16 <@Bahhumbug> As long as there is a Fedora maintainer it's not likely to get removed.
12:16 < aestetix> Case in point, it's not a memory hog and it's not a security risk.
12:16 < aestetix> So there is no reason to drop it except for religious bigotry.
12:17 < aestetix> As I will remind you that what we call the common calendar was created by the catholic church :)
12:17 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh.  Speaking of whining cry babies.
12:17 <@Bahhumbug> I just looked at my ignore log.
12:18 < aestetix> Oh, Bahhumbug finally ignored me? :)
12:20 <@Dagmar> It _is_ religious bigotry that made them remove it.
12:20 <@Dagmar> The Discordian calendar is far more amenable to code.
12:20 <@Dagmar> It is _regular_.
12:20 <@Dagmar> Five months, all with the same number of days in them.
12:21 <@Dagmar> Five days of the week.
12:21 <@Dagmar> Fives.
12:21 < aestetix> hail eris
12:23 <@Bahhumbug> Step away from the crack pipe.
12:23 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, FFS....
12:23 <@Bahhumbug> Level 3 acquired Time-Warner Telecom.
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12:28 < aestetix> http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/capitalism-in-crisis-amid-slow-growth-and-growing-inequality-a-998598.html
12:28 <@benthemeek> Mirage: on the topic of corydon, I am not sure he may still be on IRC somewhere- you could pm him and ask
12:29 <@Dagmar> Wait... what?
12:30 <@Dagmar> Level 3 bought them?
12:30 <@brimstone> wait, TW stands for Time-Warner?
12:30 <@brimstone> lol
12:30 <@Dagmar> That's going to make the Net Neutrality arguments _very interesting_ indeed.
12:30 <@brimstone> Dagmar: fact
12:30 <@Dagmar> 'cuz Time Warner is very likely to now be on _our_ side.  :)
12:30 <@brimstone> http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/level-3-to-buy-tw-telecom-for-5-7-billion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1
12:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Log In - The New York Times (at dealbook.nytimes.com)
12:31 <@Dagmar> ...becaause Level 3 knows Comcast's arguments are bullshit.
12:31 <@brimstone> Level 3 to Buy TW Telecom for $5.7 Billion
12:35 <@rhia> L3 is getting TW Telecom, Comcast is still working on getting TW Cable
12:35 < aestetix> And another arts theatre in the bay area is closing due to increased rent.
12:35 < aestetix> Seriously, fuck this place.
12:49 <@brimstone> huh, VxWorks creators just got popped $750k for exporting encryption software http://www.goodwinprocter.com/Publications/Newsletters/Client-Alert/2014/1015_Software-Companies-Now-on-Notice-That-Encryption-Exports-May-Be-Treated-More-Seriously.aspx
12:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Software Companies Now on Notice That Encryption Exports May Be Treated More Seriously: $750,000 Fine Against Intel Subsidiary (at www.goodwinprocter.com)
12:49 < Synx|hm> god damn it why has my rentor not paid me
12:51 <@shapr> aestetix: ALL HAIL DISCORDIA!
12:52 <@shapr> says Shae ERISson
12:56 < RangerZ> little known factoid... if you run a website, or are in charge of one, and someone on that site is helping an Iranian/N.Korean/Cuban/Syrian... or any other itar restricted country... you're potentially liable too
12:56 < RangerZ> even if it is an open source project
12:56 < RangerZ> can't even tell them to look at the documentation, b/c that is 'aiding'
12:57 < aestetix> Ok so let me get this straight
12:57 < aestetix> The same GOP assholes who are saying that you should be able to get a job to pay for your own health care etc, are the ones who are making profit by outsources those jobs to India?
12:58 < RangerZ> and?
12:58 < RangerZ> or course that is the _logical_ outcome of capitalism
12:58 < RangerZ> if you believe in Ayn Rynd (sp?)
12:58 < RangerZ> then anything you do to benefit yourself is fine
12:58 < aestetix> I just read a thing on CNN about Ted Cruz wanting to repeal obamacare
12:59 < RangerZ> and anything others do, is herracy
12:59 < RangerZ> also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zhCoxs2WI THIS is GREAT for anti-DRM
12:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nintendo Reportedly Considering Going Region Free | Revealed By Iwata During Investor Call - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:00 < aestetix> It's like... there are major issues with Obamacare. And most of them were inserted by the GOP
13:00 < RangerZ> honestly they should have just passed 'medicare for all'
13:00 < RangerZ> and been done with it
13:00 < aestetix> I just don't understand why they are opposed to taxes paying for universal health care but are just fine with tax dollars paying for massive wars
13:01 < RangerZ> b/c neo-conservative
13:01 < RangerZ> aka... liberal social policies... right of center economic policies... and hawkish
13:02 < RangerZ> and 'social policies' I mean gay rights/etc... not women's choice or univeral healthcare
13:02 < RangerZ> aka, the common thread that joins Hillary Clinton and Chaney
13:03 < RangerZ> I really don't see much difference between them when it comes to corp. america and wars
13:03 < RangerZ> sure... women's choice... and .....
13:03 < RangerZ> I'm not sure what else... they are different
13:05 < aestetix> I mean what does it matter who pays for condoms and the pill when a night at the ER will bankrupt you.
13:06  * shapr shows up at the wrong time
13:06 <@shapr> I'm not even going to ask
13:07 <@timoguin> shapr: don't worry we'll be sure to go bareback with you
13:07  * shapr blinks
13:08 < RangerZ> but unlike some of your ex's we'll give you flowers before and a pillow afterwards
13:09 < RangerZ> lol... aestetix you're using common sense
13:09 < RangerZ> you can't use common sense when dealing with ideologies
13:10 < RangerZ> GOP refuses to accept the FACT that giving out condoms stops pregnancies, b/c they want religious based 'purity' only
13:11 < aestetix> well what I'm getting at
13:11 < aestetix> I've heard a LOT of controversy over the pill and funding contraception
13:12 < aestetix> and jack shit about ER prices
13:12 < RangerZ> look, I'm no fan of the Democratic party... but ~80 or so of the fucking Republicans in the house are about as far apart from the Taliban as the distance between a woman's forced medical procedured legs to check to see if she had a miscarriage or if she was aborted in secret
13:12 < RangerZ> aestetix: yet again, logic vs ideology
13:12 < RangerZ> capitalism is 'perfect' and you can't introduce any 'socialism' into it
13:14 <@shapr> aestetix: got any keybase invites?
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13:15 < RangerZ1> and if they don't have the money, then die like the poor plebian you are, who didn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work as hard as 'they' did, because their family owning ?x100k$ farms or them being able to get into law school b/c of social programs during the 80s isn't THEIR fault, that you can't be as awesome as they are
13:15 < aestetix> shapr: probably. I wouldn't subject you to that though.
13:15 <@shapr> :-(
13:15 < aestetix> I mean I can give you an invite if you want
13:15 < aestetix> I just don't want to support their shoddy business model
13:15 < RangerZ1> what?
13:15 < RangerZ1> that social networking site?
13:15 < RangerZ1> ollo or w/e
13:16 < aestetix> RangerZ: if you generate a keypair on keybase (which I imagine most newbs will) they have you store your private key with them by default
13:16 < aestetix> which basically means no security at all
13:16 < RangerZ1> no
13:16 < RangerZ1> it means decent security for most people
13:16 < RangerZ1> its better than most security that newbies would have
13:17 < aestetix> It means a false sense of security
13:17 < RangerZ1> no
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13:17 < aestetix> if keybase gets hacked or subpoenaed, then anyone using them is screwed
13:17 < RangerZ1> sure
13:17 < RangerZ1> but for newbies, thats a better bet than using alpha-numeric passwords
13:17 <@shapr> oh, I thought they were only a name -> public key lookup
13:18 < aestetix> so rather than giving them bullshit security, why not teach them how to make better passwords?
13:18 <@shapr> wait, they store your PRIVATE key?
13:18 <@shapr> wtf?
13:18 < aestetix> shapr: yep
13:18 < RangerZ1> shapr: only if you choose to have them to
13:18 < aestetix> shapr: you can uncheck the box
13:18 <@shapr> ummm, nm then
13:18 < RangerZ1> you don't have to let them
13:18 < aestetix> RangerZ1: untrue
13:18 <@shapr> why would I ever do that?
13:18 < aestetix> you have to choose NOT to let them
13:18 < RangerZ1> w/e same fucking diffence
13:18 < aestetix> at least it was the case when I tested it out
13:18 < aestetix> big difference actually
13:18 < RangerZ1> no
13:18 < aestetix> opt-in vs opt-out
13:18 < RangerZ1> the way they are doing it, is better for newbies
13:19 < RangerZ1> b/c they will likely lose the secret key anyways
13:19 < RangerZ1> which is the logic behind the decision they made
13:19 < aestetix> if they wanted to actually be secure, they should have said a message with "Are you a fucking moron? Here are tips on making a better password because we don't want you using our crap service."
13:19 < RangerZ1> i assume shapr is smart enough to uncheck the box
13:19 < RangerZ1> or better yet
13:19 < RangerZ1> fucking gen his own key pair
13:19 < RangerZ1> and upload the public version
13:20 < aestetix> If they only did that, it would be fine.
13:20 < aestetix> But also no different from any other key server.
13:20 < aestetix> Except being graphical or something
13:20 <@shapr> I have plenty of keypairs, but most people are too little to use keyservers
13:21 < RangerZ1> shapr: same, I have like a dozen key pairs floating around
13:21 <@shapr> haven't been to a key signing party in years :-(
13:21 < RangerZ1> I don't bother with public announcement of any of them
13:22 < RangerZ1> key announcement will NEVER be useful in a widespread manner until it is automatic on cell phones
13:22 <@shapr> is there an app for that?
13:22 < RangerZ1> dunno
13:22 < RangerZ1> it would be fucking easy to make
13:22 < RangerZ1> keygen in java is simple as fuck
13:22 <@shapr> I'm not sure I trust my phone enough to keep a private key on it.
13:23 < RangerZ1> i don't trust electronics enough to keep a private key on them
13:24 < Synx|hm> hey, does the /etc/profile not get run when you su into a user shell?
13:25 < RangerZ1> it does
13:25 < Synx|hm> odd
13:25 < RangerZ1> did you su sh or su bash
13:25 < Synx|hm> when i ssh in i am able to add my ~/bin to path, but not when i su username
13:25 <@Dagmar> You need to do `su -` if you want a login environment that involves /etc/profile
13:25 < Synx|hm> oh no, right
13:25 < Synx|hm> forgot the switch
13:25 < Synx|hm> thanks
13:28 < RangerZ1> ahh, i knew it could do it, but I thought it was default
13:29 < RangerZ1> probably best that it isn't... lol
13:29 < Synx|hm> ya
13:29 < Synx|hm> true
13:29 <@Dagmar> The default use expects that you're _just_ looking to change uid.
13:31 < Synx|hm> http://www.inquisitr.com/1579092/study-shows-link-between-autism-and-vaccines-using-cells-lines-from-aborted-babies/
13:32 <@wilpig> wow... http://fox40.com/2014/11/02/dad-invites-young-daughters-alleged-rapist-to-dinner-then-tortures-him-to-death/
13:34 < RangerZ1> about the dad, he gets a pardon... i mean... 'tsk tsk tsk'why do you let him die , why not disfigure him for life, and make him live as a veggie for the rest of his life....
13:37 < Synx|hm> god damn it, that fucking MMR article is freaking me out
13:37 < Synx|hm> my son is scheduled for his MMR tomorrow
13:37 < RangerZ1> um... that 'study' shows an increase in 1988/1989/1990 for 3 countries
13:37 < RangerZ1> I'd like to see if the standards and testing mechanisms for autism changed then too
13:37 < Synx|hm> interesting point
13:38 <@timoguin> yea, we still don't really know wtf autism is.
13:38 < RangerZ1> http://soundchoice.org/about-us/
13:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Consumer Awareness - Safe Vaccines and Preventing Autism | SCPI (at soundchoice.org)
13:38 < RangerZ1> its a 'help save the fetus' group
13:38 < Synx|hm> so i mean im very pro vaccine, but there has got to be some unknown risks that we wont know for years
13:38 < RangerZ1> that funded the reserach/put out the press release
13:38 < Synx|hm> ya haha i figured that might be the case
13:39 < Synx|hm> not so sure i trust the CDC though haha
13:39 < RangerZ1> CDC is fine
13:39 < RangerZ1> FDA is who you gotta worry about
13:39 < RangerZ1> b/c 'fast track' approval , etc
13:39 < Synx|hm> ha, also on that note every time i read CDC i say Cult of the Dead Cow in my head
13:41 <@timoguin> not much of a cult if all the cows are dead
13:41 < RangerZ1> cult worshipping the dead cows
13:41 < RangerZ1> obviously
13:41 < RangerZ1> its called 'steak and shake'
13:41 < Synx|hm> haha those guys were all over the only defcon i atteneded (9 i believe)
13:42 < RangerZ1> I passed through vegas one year during defcon
13:42 < RangerZ1> didn't go
13:42 < RangerZ1> only had a 1hr layover...  :/
13:43 < RangerZ1> was kinda pissed
13:43 < RangerZ1> b/c I didn't have a job to get back to... lol... was coming back from the summer at berkeley, making fun of oakland
13:43 < Synx|hm> i didn't get much out of 9
13:43 < Synx|hm> sat around and installed linux thats about it ha
13:52 < Synx|hm> http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/antigens.html
13:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: CDC - Concerns About Autism - Antigens - Vaccine Safety (at www.cdc.gov)
13:52 < Synx|hm> make me feel much better
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14:20 < aestetix> Does the human body produce *anything* that smells good?
14:22 <@shapr> yes :-)
14:23 <@Dickie> My flatulence smells like bakery-fresh cinnamon rolls
14:27 < aestetix> From what bakery?
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14:36 < Synx|hm> Ammies Bakery?
14:36 < Synx|hm> Amy's Backing Company that is
14:40 < aestetix> I wonder if Mitt Romney would think it was rude to fart on a homeless guy's nose
14:43 <@Dagmar> Only if he didn't pay him minimum wage for it
14:45 < aestetix> If Mitt farted into a jar, I wonder if someone would buy that jar.
14:47 < aestetix> I wonder if that jar would be more expensive than a jar with one of Margaret Thatcher's farts
14:54 <@wilpig> ugh.  nothing worse than a fart in the hot aisle
14:54 <@wilpig> fuckers just linger
14:58 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/W8QucrO.jpg
14:58 < aestetix> haha
15:00 <@Dagmar> aestetix; It depends on whether or not he were selling it to raise money for his legal defense.
15:06 < aestetix> RangerZ: http://i.imgur.com/y3p1ywj.jpg
15:09 <@Dagmar> hehehheh heheh
15:11 <@benthemeek> Synx|hm: That areticle from the inquisitr is bunk. Though I sure it has helped them generate traffic/sell stories
15:11 <@wilpig> aestetix: hhaha to your first one
15:14 <@benthemeek> "and that there was no other factor that could account for the jump in autism rates" /me raises eyebrows.
15:14 <@Dagmar> From what I can tell, if it were Mardi Gras, he wouldn't have even had to explain.
15:14 < Synx|hm> benthemeek: ya, i figured as such, still alarming to read as a new partent, which is exactly what they are banking on
15:14 <@benthemeek> Synx|hm: If it worries you, you could delay the vaccination.
15:15 < Synx|hm> benthemeek: we've delayed a bit already, think we'll do MMR tomorrow alone with nothing else
15:18 <@brimstone> Synx|hm: http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
15:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: How do vaccines cause autism? (at howdovaccinescauseautism.com)
15:19 < Synx|hm> brimstone: :) thanks haha, im for sure not an anti vaccine person, just always want to be up to speed on the latest research, you know smoking didn't cause cancer for the longest time
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15:55 <@klixa> im anti vaccine :P
15:55 <@klixa> and as of a few hours ago im anti prediatrician "you can get polio form drinking wtaer" NO YOU CANT...at least not in this country
15:56 <@klixa> benthemeek and Synx|hm NOT all people agianst vaccines are taht way cause if autism... some people are that way cause they dont feel their 1 day old baby can get Hep B
15:57 <@klixa> these damn pediatricians also think if your baby cries at bestime, you should just leave the room and let it scream... i mean god forbid a baby inconvenience YOUR life, not like it was yoru decision to have them or anything
15:57 <@klixa> bedtime*
15:58 <@Dickie> So you believe a 1 day old baby can't get Hep B
15:58 <@timoguin> I think that's more of a let them learn to soothe themselves thing.
15:58 <@klixa> Dickie its a blood bourne illness... unless the mothe rhas it they arent getting it
15:58 <@Dickie> Where did you go to med school?
15:59 <@klixa> timoguin yeah, but they are too young imo... self soothing imo is just a spin of "cry until they realise no one gives a shit then gives up"
15:59 <@opticron> and then SIDS for everyone!
15:59 <@klixa> Dickie first of all i dont need a med degree to know how or why anyone can get hep b...second of all even if i did, the doctors themselves admit its not really necesary until the teen years
16:00 <@timoguin> my baby likes tattoos, so i made him get the vaccine
16:00 <@klixa> timoguin well, of course...that was smart of you
16:00  * timoguin blushes
16:01 <@Bahhumbug> People that don't vaccinate their kids should be held criminally liable.
16:01 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry if that offends you, but it's just idiotic.
16:01 <@Dickie> I'm going to take the CDC's side on these things.
16:01 <@Dickie> Odds are that my newborn won't get Hep B.
16:02 <@klixa> Dickie the official reason they get the hep b vax is because it can be in bodily fluids that they might encounter at daycar...like vomit
16:02 <@Dickie> A harmless vaccine should only soothe me more.
16:02 <@klixa> harmless
16:02 <@Dickie> Harmless.
16:02 <@klixa> even the cdc says they arent harmless
16:02 <@brimstone> harmless?
16:02 <@Dickie> Shall we start throwing links?
16:02 <@Dickie> The CDC says it's not harmless?
16:02 <@brimstone> throw links!
16:02 <@klixa> Dickie the cdc is objective about the risks
16:02 <@benthemeek> I think you mean the 1 in 100,000 who have a reaction
16:02 <@Dickie> Fine, link time
16:02 <@Dickie> "The hepatitis B vaccine is very safe, and it is effective at preventing hepatitis B. Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. But no serious side effects are known to be caused by the hepatitis B vaccine."
16:03 <@Dickie> http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hepb/fs-parents.html
16:03 <@benthemeek> being alergic to some component
16:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: CDC - Hepatitis B Fact Sheet for Parents - Vaccines (at www.cdc.gov)
16:03 <@Dickie> The CDC says no serious side effects are known
16:03 <@klixa> Dickie no, i have no reason to argue about it...i was tstaung why i ddint get it...i really dont care what you do or think
16:03 <@klixa> stating*
16:03 <@Dickie> You have no reason to argue it because you can't.
16:04 <@Dickie> So we agree that the Hep B shot is harmless and there is no reason we should be reluctant to vaccinate infants?
16:04 <@klixa> i dont agree its harmless; "like any medicine, can have side effects"
16:05 <@brimstone> harmless!
16:05 <@brimstone> \o/
16:05 <@Dickie> Trivial.
16:05 <@klixa> the hep b shot is unnecesary at so young an age
16:05 <@Dagmar> Those side effects are neither autism nor mercury poisoning.
16:05 <@klixa> i dont think vaccines cause autism
16:05 <@Dickie> Devestating side effects such as a needle prick
16:06 <@benthemeek> Now circumcision on the other hand...
16:06 <@klixa> "Common side effects include pain/soreness/redness/swelling at the injection site, fever, headache, tiredness, sore throat, nausea, diarrhea, loss of appetite, and dizziness."
16:06 <@Dagmar> ...which can last up to 12 hours.
16:06 <@Dickie> Better than Hep B
16:07 <@klixa> Bahhumbug and if you think people who dont vaccinate shoudl be held liable , you need ot get yoru adult booster shots for the things you are np longer immune to
16:07 <@Dickie> You can starve yourself, but you can't starve a child.
16:08 <@benthemeek> klixa: This is a fair point which I concede I should look into ;)
16:08 <@Dickie> But I'm in favor of getting vaccinated myself. I should check into that.
16:08 < Synx|hm> wow sorry everybody, didn't mean to start a war
16:08 <@klixa> Dickie the main thing i hear people complainging about is herd immunity, adult boosters are related to that
16:08 <@benthemeek> Synx|hm: nah this has been an on going topic for months
16:08 < Synx|hm> i just had to get my Heb B/C boosters
16:08 <@timoguin> benthemeek: no circumcision FTW!
16:08 <@klixa> im on the fence about circumcision
16:09 <@timoguin> we were the only ones in our discharge class who didn't circumsize
16:09 <@benthemeek> I wasnt given a choice in that regard
16:09 <@klixa> cicrcumcised looks better...but ouch
16:09 <@timoguin> klixa: what are you on teh fence about?
16:09 <@klixa> timoguin on whether i would circumcise
16:09 <@timoguin> right. i meant why?
16:09 <@timoguin> just because of how it looks?
16:09 <@Dagmar> Bacteria.
16:09 <@klixa> timoguin appearence and then later in life std's are easier to get if you are uncut
16:10 <@klixa> bacteria is am myth unless you are dirty
16:10 <@timoguin> One thing I'm happy not to have to do is all the penis care afterwards
16:10 <@Dagmar> Also, latat in life, circumcision is rather terrifying.
16:10 <@klixa> but, most little boys are dirty....
16:10 <@timoguin> so teach them to be clean. foreskin has lots more benefits.
16:10 <@klixa> so bacteria is still valid because of that
16:10 <@benthemeek> YEah there is actually a movement in african countries to get adult males circumcised because the transmission of stds is so dramatically reduced.
16:10 <@klixa> i will let my bf decided if i haev a boy since he has a penis and i dont
16:10 <@Dickie> Because it's CRAZY filthy there
16:10 <@benthemeek> But I wonder if you were just a really hygenic person if that makes a difference
16:11 <@klixa> benthemeek i dont think the std issue is a cleanliness thing
16:11 <@Dickie> Recent studies touting the benefit of circumcision were conducted in these areas of Africa
16:12 <@benthemeek> Anyone watch the penn and teller: bullshit episode on circumcision? I had never really thought about it until I saw that
16:12 <@Dickie> Our doctor said that unless he was running around third world countries doin the nasty, he should be fine
16:12 < Synx|hm> i regret having it done to our son
16:12 <@klixa> i really dunno what i woudl do...i think ultimately my bf shoudl decide since i dont have a penis
16:12 <@brimstone> Dickie: that's exactly what i expect with your son
16:12 <@Dickie> That does concern me
16:13 <@benthemeek> Just why hasn't Aestetix chimed in yet on this?
16:13 < Synx|hm> his penis fell off 2 weeks ago
16:13 <@timoguin> klixa: just know cleaning it and caring for it will be yet one more thing you'll have to do afterwards if he gets cut
16:13 <@klixa> Synx|hm o.O
16:13 <@klixa> timoguin i dont have a son..if i ever do i will think more about thos
16:13 <@klixa> this*
16:13 <@klixa> tho, in a few weeks i will know
16:14 <@benthemeek> klixa: I think he means aestetixs' and not his son's
16:14 <@timoguin> right
16:14 < Synx|hm> oh jesus, ya, didn't notice how that read
16:14 <@timoguin> haha
16:14 < Synx|hm> haha
16:14 <@klixa> i have to say i prolly wouldnt do  circumciaion cause cause its unnatural...and i tend to do natural
16:14 <@timoguin> your poor son
16:14 <@klixa> which is why i dont like vaccines...and i will say this, im on the fence about them too
16:15 <@klixa> i try to ask questions but i have doctors tell me stuff like "you can get polio from drikning water"
16:15 <@timoguin> I'm actually very interested in foreskin restoration devices (TM)
16:15 <@klixa> and thats BS
16:15 <@timoguin> I WAS CHEATED
16:15 <@klixa> and so they make me think its all bs
16:15 <@benthemeek> Well fi we lived in isolated bands that might be okay klixa
16:15 <@klixa> everytime i go to a doctor they are forcing it on me...and i know they have finaincial incentives...they get bonuses based on the pefrcenatge of vaxxed kids
16:15 <@klixa> how can i trust them
16:16 <@Dickie> Jesus Christ.
16:17 <@klixa> i asked if they would monitor her after vaccines to make sure she didnt have a reaciton and they were all "well if you want i guess"
16:17 <@wilpig> klixa: vaccines for shit that isn't changing much are good
16:17 <@wilpig> flu vaccines are a gamble and stupid
16:17 < Synx|hm> wilpig: and required for military UGH
16:17 <@brimstone> i got a flu shot
16:18 <@wilpig> when we're making a guess on the strain of the flu that will be in any particular area it's a guess at best
16:18 <@Dickie> me, too
16:18 <@wilpig> if they could produce the vaccine on an as needed basis based on what's in the area i'd be onboard
16:18 <@klixa> i have never had a flu vaccine
16:18 <@wilpig> but the fact is they are making the decision on what strain to make the vaccine for months in advance based on a guess
16:19 <@Dickie> just a guess
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16:19 <@Dickie> Scientists are just flinging darts at a table of flu strains
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16:19 <@wilpig> it's impossible to tell which strain of the flu will be where, when.
16:19 <@klixa> Dickie maybe its just irc/text, but you seem to have a major attitude against people who dont agree with you  :P
16:19 <@Dickie> With 100% certainty, sure
16:19 <@wilpig> you can cut a broad stroke and get close but you're still making a guess
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16:21 <@wilpig> http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/virusqa.htm
16:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Selecting the Viruses in the Seasonal Influenza (Flu) Vaccine | Health Professionals | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) (at www.cdc.gov)
16:21 <@Dickie> Establishing antibodies for the flu is not harmful. Resisting vaccinations and treating the flu with medicines is.
16:21 <@wilpig> "While there are many different flu viruses, a flu vaccine protects against the three or four viruses that research suggests will be most common."
16:21 <@wilpig> research suggests..... we guessed
16:21 <@Dickie> Failing to vaccinate children is dangerous and you're just grasping at vague reasons not to.
16:22  * shapr agrees with Dickie 
16:22 <@klixa> "“Newborns of HBsAg negative mothers should begin the hepatitis B vaccine series before hospital discharge. This practice reduces missed opportunities to prevent transmission in cases of communication errors regarding maternal HBsAg status.”"  this is why newborns get the vaccine...JUST IN Case their moms really did have it
16:22 <@wilpig> i'm all for vaccinating them on the traditional viruses.  the flu is just silly
16:22 <@Dickie> Research == guess
16:22 <@klixa> i had the flu last year... and then it went away
16:22 <@benthemeek> On the flu vaccine front there was some really interesting information out last year that I heard about
16:22 <@wilpig> Dickie: keyword "suggests"
16:22 <@klixa> it slie tehre was something in my body, that was there naturally, that like killed it and stuff
16:22 <@klixa> its magic
16:22 <@klixa> its like*
16:23 <@wilpig> they didn't come forward and say we researched it and we are certain within x sigma that this is the strain
16:23 <@Dickie> Yes, because "proves" is inappropriate verbiage for such things
16:23 <@Dickie> Beause no one knows what x sigma means
16:23 <@Dickie> Or cares what it means
16:23 <@Dickie> This is for mass consumption
16:23 <@Dickie> Hunt down the research and you'll get those numbers
16:23 <@benthemeek> apparently there was this guy they found that was immune to all types of flu. His immune system identitfied it by being able to see the "stem" instead fo the "head" or something. If they make a vaccine that helps bodies do the same they will get rid of all flavours
16:23 <@Dickie> Don't pick apart the language. That's lazy.
16:24 <@klixa> when did they start vaccinating for polio again? i was never vaccinated for that...
16:24 <@Dickie> omg
16:24 <@wilpig> there won't be that in the research because it's impossible to predict
16:24 <@wilpig> if you have a closed system you can easily say this is the strain, this is the problem
16:25 <@wilpig> we don't live in that.  we have people mixing from everywhere.  the flu from the northeast flying on delta to LA and vice versas
16:25 <@wilpig> so the flu vaccine is a best guess 
16:25 <@Dickie> best guess?
16:25 <@Dickie> Getting better now.
16:25 <@wilpig> it's still a guess
16:25 <@benthemeek> I get them for free from work. So I lose nothing by do that )I also have no reaction other than a sore arm for a day)
16:25 <@Dickie> Too dismissive.
16:25 <@wilpig> we've seen x strains in the united states at this time.  this is their best guess on what will still be kicking around in a few months
16:26 <@Dickie> I think my kid got a polio vaccine.
16:26 <@benthemeek> This past shot was supposed to be three different strains I believe
16:26 <@benthemeek> Got it two weeks ago
16:26 <@klixa> benthemeek that cancer you get 20 years form now is form the flu vaccine :P
16:26 <@benthemeek> actually it will probaly be my love for meat of all kinds, processed or no
16:26 <@klixa> and when your children grow extra limbs...also from YORU flu vaccine
16:27 <@wilpig> I'm all for polio and smallpox vaccinations.  we had that shit gone until the stupid vaxxers came along
16:27 <@klixa> anti vaxxers you mean
16:27 <@wilpig> i'm not going as far as saying the flu vaccine is gonna cause genetic mutation either
16:27 <@wilpig> i'm just pointing at that one as mostly useless except in cases of people that are highly prone to respiratory problems anyway
16:28 <@benthemeek> I just need something around to keep my immune system with a current mug shot of all the bad guys out there
16:28 <@Dickie> So we should get vaccinated to prevent these people from being exposed.
16:28 <@Dickie> I agree.
16:29 <@wilpig> go outside more, interact with humans more often and you'll pick up all the immunities you need
16:29 <@klixa> i dont get why the vaccine thing is such an emtonal issue
16:29 <@benthemeek> Cuz people die
16:29 <@Dickie> Because you're killing people
16:29 <@brimstone> it's because you're denying science
16:29 <@benthemeek> and someone them are stupid
16:29 <@wilpig> I still say I got most of that shit in the schools from those little snot nosed germ factories 
16:29 <@klixa> Dickie how am i killing people?
16:30 <@benthemeek> Btw: What did you who saw it think of the blackhat dude at phreaknic. Real deal or making it all up?
16:30 <@Dickie> I'm just astonished it's not self-evident.
16:31 <@klixa> Dickie you are not a good debater... if you really think i should use vaccines, you could have uysed ths cahnce to be nice and give facts instead of insulting me :P
16:31 <@Dickie> I gave facts straight from CDC and you picked it apart.
16:31 <@shapr> herd immunity is important?
16:31 <@klixa> Dickie because you ahve had an attitude form teh start
16:31 <@Dickie> If you do not vaccinate children, you are a fool.
16:32 <@klixa> Dickie why are you a fool tho
16:32 <@Dickie> This isn't an insult as it is a warning.
16:32 <@klixa> shapr unless you have had boosters in the past 7 years, you are part of the herd immunity problem
16:32 <@shapr> I have!
16:32 <@shapr> yay!
16:32 <@klixa> shapr ok, you arent in a glass house...here is your stone throwing license!
16:32  * shapr hits himself with a rock
16:32 <@shapr> ow!
16:32 <@klixa> lol
16:32 <@shapr> I need a rock vaccination!
16:32 <@shapr> then I'll be immune!
16:33 <@benthemeek> unfortunately I am in a glass house. I need to go get a check up one of these days
16:33 <@Dickie> I need to look into what I haven't been vaccinated against.
16:33 <@Dickie> They give us stuff for being parents, though
16:33 <@wilpig> Dickie: malaria
16:33 <@Dickie> I'm not at risk
16:33 <@wilpig> you should rush out and get a shot
16:33 <@wilpig> it's good for you even if it isn't int he area
16:33 <@benthemeek> My girls will DEFINITELY be getting the HPV shot though
16:33 <@Dickie> If I go to malaria-areas, I'll damn sure get the shot.
16:34 <@Dickie> malareas
16:34 <@brimstone> so the US is an autism area?
16:34 <@brimstone> and we're at risk?
16:34 <@Dagmar> Not really.
16:34 <@klixa> you can get malaria here Dickie
16:34 <@brimstone> can i get an autism vaccine?
16:34 <@Dickie> You're just being contrary.
16:34 <@wilpig> brimstone: have you met ware?  ;)
16:35 <@benthemeek> brimstone: Its too late for you I am afraid
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16:36 <@benthemeek> I am sure by some person's definition just the fact of all our lines of work we fall on the autism spectrum...
16:36 <@klixa> i just want a doctr who is objective about vaccines...tho all teh ones i have talked to said hep is unnecesary...
16:36 <@Dickie> I don't think there's a malaria vaccine.
16:36 <@klixa> hep b*
16:36 <@benthemeek> sickle cell anemia!
16:36 <@benthemeek> and its also of evolution...
16:36 <@Dickie> it's a parasite, isn't it?
16:36 <@benthemeek> proof*
16:37 <@klixa> only blacks get it
16:37 <@klixa> god is a racist
16:38 <@Dickie> only white people get Rosacea
16:38 < aestetix> he's also a DJ
16:38 <@wilpig> I heard he rides a raptor
16:38 < aestetix> and smokes cannabis
16:38 <@Dickie> lot of sickle cell in india, too
16:38 <@benthemeek> Is Malaria common there?
16:39 <@Dickie> Among everywhere else tropical
16:39 <@benthemeek> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110428123931.htm
16:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mystery solved: How sickle hemoglobin protects against malaria -- ScienceDaily (at www.sciencedaily.com)
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16:39 <@Dickie> Arguing that vaccines are unnecessary is on par with denying the moon landing.
16:40 <@benthemeek> except it matters,
16:40 <@Dickie> hah
16:40 <@Dickie> Granted.
16:40 <@benthemeek> because it affects everyone
16:40 <@Dickie> But this is the reason it is due the negative reaction.
16:40 <@klixa> " For example, just last fall the recommendation for the polio vaccine was changed from a schedule that included the live, oral vaccine to a schedule that now includes only inactivated polio vaccine. The purpose of this change was to further reduce the already slight risk of developing polio from the live vaccine. "
16:40 <@klixa> ^^ ok so last year it was possible to GET polio form teh polio vaccine
16:41 <@klixa> see stuff like that is why vaccines bother/scare me
16:41 <@Dickie> What's the probability?
16:41 <@benthemeek> How many did though? It used to be rampant
16:41 <@benthemeek> before we vaccinated
16:41 <@klixa> Dickie heres the thing, if i choose ot give muy child a vaccine and she dies or gets sick form it, i DID it
16:41 <@Dickie> You need to know more about those cases.
16:41 <@Dickie> And I understand that perspective, believe me.
16:42 <@klixa> ad when i try to ask DOCTORS about it, they blow me off and say "they're fine" and arent informative at all..or the do fear mongering and talk about getting polio from drinking water
16:43 <@benthemeek> Dickie: have you heard about the group that wants to get rid of chlorine and fluoride in water?
16:43 <@Dickie> Doctors can be shitheads, too.
16:43 <@Dickie> I get plenty of those from chemtrails as it is.
16:47 <@klixa> benthemeek flouride shrinks your 3rd eye
16:47  * Dickie looks down
16:47 <@Dickie> That explains it
16:47 <@klixa> lol
16:47 <@klixa> no on no, thats a joke Dickie
16:47 <@klixa> well i read it, but im making fun of it
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16:50 <@benthemeek> klixa: Feeling any better?
16:50 <@klixa> you mean morning sickness type stuff? no
16:50 <@klixa> buuuut... ginger snaps help some
16:51 <@klixa> i actually went to the pediatrician today to get vaccines...she scared me out of them again
16:51 <@klixa> i hate doctirs
16:51 <@shapr> three snaps from ginger spice, the new old spice candidate!
16:51 <@klixa> doctors*
16:51 <@benthemeek> klixa: in a related topic have you ever ridden the jungle cruise at the magic kingdom?
16:52 <@Dickie> Is this a pickup line?
16:52 <@klixa> yes, and it worked... /me rides off into the sunset wiht benthemeek
16:52 <@klixa> whose that woman and those 3 kids benthemeek
16:53 <@klixa> lol
16:53  * wilpig slut shames benthemeek 
16:53  * benthemeek looks up what slut shamming is
16:53 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 51 nicks [29 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
16:53 <@klixa> benthemeek no i have never been to magic kingsom
16:53 <@wilpig> !google slut shaming
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16:54 <@benthemeek> !google define slutshaming
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16:54 <@klixa> opryland is the only amusement park i have ever been to....and they closed it down to build a  mall...A  MALL
16:54 <@klixa> like nashville needed another mall
16:54 <@Dickie> Are the rides any good?
16:54 <@wilpig> klixa: there's a train in the mall so it's like an amusement part
16:54 <@wilpig> park*
16:54 <@benthemeek> klixa: I know... the nearest amusement park is dollywood I think
16:55 <@Dickie> Is that Pidgeon Forge?
16:55 <@benthemeek> yeah
16:55 <@klixa> 6 flags is near too, in kentucky or cincinati or wherever it is
16:55 <@Dickie> I hear about it a lot
16:55 <@Dickie> 6 flags Atlanta was a shithole before the floods
16:55 <@benthemeek> Anyway if you ever do ride the jungle cruise at disneyworld there is a speech the tour guides give that is very "punny"
16:55 <@Dickie> Miserable place
16:55 <@klixa> atlanta in general is a shithole
16:55 <@klixa> benthemeek yeah, i wont
16:55  * Dickie nods
16:56 <@klixa> i dont really do amusement parks
16:56 <@Dickie> brimstone: you live in a shithole
16:56 <@benthemeek> and they say something about a crocodile named "Ginger" that you reminded me of
16:56 <@klixa> i remind you of a crocodile named ginger?
16:57 <@brimstone> this city is pretty nice
16:57 <@klixa> then you prolly live in a suburb of it
16:58 <@brimstone> but i don't
16:58 <@brimstone> i do live and work north of I-20 though
16:58 <@Dickie> The areas around all the attractions are shitholes
16:58 <@Dickie> Coke Museum, Aquarium - surrounded by HORROR
16:58 <@klixa> i know nothing about atlanta... my family just all told me it was a giant evil ghetto
16:59 <@Dickie> Atlanta Undergound used to be a touristy place
16:59 <@klixa> Dickie thats how orange county is...the most dilapidated ghetto places are the ones by knottsberry farm, etc
16:59 <@Dickie> Surprised. Remember when Bush gave us all $300?
16:59 <@Dickie> Should have fixed a few things.
17:00 <@wilpig> and then taxed us for it the next year!
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> <@klixa> Dickie heres the thing, if i choose ot give muy child a vaccine and she dies or gets sick form it, i DID it
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> Which goes back to being held legally accountable.
17:04 <@Bahhumbug> That's manslaughter as far as I'm concerned.
17:04 <@Dickie> Man, I was just coming down
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17:04  * Dickie hulks out
17:04 <@klixa> Bahhumbug so i shoudl be held liable for vaxxing AND no vaxxing?
17:04 <@klixa> not*
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, I missread that :/
17:05 <@Bahhumbug> Apologies.
17:06 <@klixa> i need a non incompetent dcotor...i went today to get my child her vaccines, but when i asked if they would moniotr her afterwards they seemed annoyed... but i know at other places that is standard
17:06 <@klixa> i worried abotu a reaction
17:06 <@klixa> or any number of things that probably wont happen, but still concern me
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> You have a right, actually you have an obligation, to be concerned.
17:08 <@klixa> the problem is, you show concern, like i asked about what would happen if she did have a seirous reaction, how woudl it be handled and was just told "it wont happen, we have never seen it happen"
17:27 < aestetix> vagina
17:32 <@benthemeek> aestetix: You missed a discussion about circumcision
17:32 < aestetix> oh boy
17:32 < aestetix> no pun intended
17:33 <@benthemeek> aestetix: When are you leaving that unfriendly high rent place and coming back to nashville?
17:34 < aestetix> Never
17:34 < aestetix> I'm going to Berlin
17:34 < aestetix> Which is arguably one of the cheapest places to live in Europe right now
17:34 <@benthemeek> oh I havent heard this plan yet
17:34 <@klixa> back to nshville? did you ever even live in nashville aestetix
17:35 <@klixa> benthemeek drive to nebraska and get me, and i will hang out with you in nashville
17:35  * benthemeek gets in car and grabs a bunch of air sick bags
17:35 < aestetix> klixa: then you can go have a threesome with anarchival
17:36 <@klixa> nah, benthemeek  can have anarchival all to himself
17:36 <@benthemeek> A low blow my friends
17:36 < aestetix> klixa: would you prefer Dagmar?
17:36 <@timoguin> He has a sexy seedy gaze
17:36 <@klixa> aestetix dude, ANYONE would
17:37 <@klixa> militant straight men woudl prefer Dagmar over anarchival
17:37 <@benthemeek> Anarchival was fine at the con. She didn't start any fights and didn't fall down any of the broken elvator shafts
17:37 <@benthemeek> I think everything was generally okay
17:38 < aestetix> ok klixa how would you rank people in order of "preference to fuck over anarchival": wilpig, RangerZ1, Corydon, and Dagmar
17:38 <@benthemeek> pleasent even, imo
17:39 < aestetix> klixa: you can have a bonus of sucking on timoguin's toe if you answer
17:39 <@benthemeek> though I did get in an arguement with her about whos reality was the truth when she thought that Alex guy was implying threats
17:39 <@klixa> benthemeek your crush on anarchival is obvious
17:39 <@timoguin> aestetix: I do have great toes.
17:39 <@klixa> aestetix dagmar is the only person i have met on your list
17:39 <@benthemeek> I do not have a crush on anarchaval. I have a desire for peace and harmony amoung our ranks
17:40 <@timoguin> benthemeek, desire for koombayaa I seek
17:40 <@timoguin> helping your rap career
17:40 <@klixa> he's lying, he writes her love letters, like heres a snoippet of one "i am jealous that your cosuin sends you d*** pics"
17:41 <@benthemeek> *snorts*
17:41 < aestetix> Ok here's a standard for hotness
17:41 < aestetix> "Are they so hot you would suck a clam out of their butt?"
17:42  * benthemeek wonders if aestetix's mind just works this way or if has to work hard to come up with this stuff
17:42 <@klixa> no one is that hot aestetix
17:42 <@klixa> benthemeek hes a troll
17:42 <@klixa> aestetix TROLL
17:42 <@Bahhumbug> @benthemeek> Anarchival was fine at the con. She didn't start any fights and didn't fall down any of the broken elvator shafts
17:42 <@Bahhumbug> What a fucking shame...
17:43 <@Dickie> snoippet
17:43 <@timoguin> benthemeek: he doesn't have to work hard.
17:43 <@Bahhumbug> You need to try harder next time.
17:43 <@klixa> here's another of benthemeek 's love letter to anarchival "i dont think you're fat, you just look like you have some genetic disorder"
17:43 <@benthemeek> there were lots of broken elevators
17:44 < aestetix> So an idea for PN19
17:44 < aestetix> Bring back Why You Suck, and add a GongShow
17:44 <@benthemeek> Well other than an argument with me I am quite glad there was no drama this weekend
17:44 <@Bahhumbug> And why did she not fall down one?
17:45 <@klixa> if i ever meet anarchival, which i wont, im punching her ..while wearing protective gloves so i dont actaully touch her
17:45 <@timoguin> i would like to see a snoippet of that fight
17:45 <@benthemeek> A thousand things to talk about and we pick anarchival... again
17:45 <@klixa> i will take a selfie vid of me doing it (face covered to protect myself from legal action)
17:45 <@klixa> ^^ see, i told you hes in love with her
17:45 <@Bahhumbug> I will happily bail you out of jail, klixa.
17:46 <@klixa> Bahhumbug thats right, you defend your lady's honor
17:46 <@klixa> Bahhumbug awe, thanks :)
17:46 <@klixa> err that first one was for benthemeek
17:46 <@klixa> the defedning thing
17:46 <@klixa> joke fail
17:46 <@Bahhumbug> :)
17:46 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=875c2e220e2611165e09051c4747971811f1de58
17:46 < aestetix> klixa: you don't want to catch anarchival intelligence deficiency syndrome?
17:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: systemd/systemd - System and Session Manager (at cgit.freedesktop.org)
17:46 <@timoguin> benthemeek: what was the attendance like this year?
17:46 <@Bahhumbug> I want to punch him in the dick.  Repeatedly.  With a sledge hammer.
17:47 <@benthemeek> I think around 100. That was our preregistration and I think about the number that was there
17:47 <@klixa> is 100 a lot
17:47 <@klixa> seems more like an itimate gathering than a con
17:47 <@klixa> intimate*
17:47 <@benthemeek> I dont object to the number
17:48 <@klixa> 12 months of arguing, hesitating, time consuing annoyance...for 100 people
17:48 <@klixa> yeah no
17:49 < aestetix> klixa: what's a good number for you?
17:49 <@benthemeek> +1 so lets nobody argue this year :P
17:49 <@klixa> aestetix 101
17:49 < aestetix> benthemeek: I disagree
17:49 <@timoguin> 100 is not too bad.
17:49 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I knew you would
17:49 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Because]
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17:50 <@klixa> ok, next PN, have it at centennial park...one day event./.live band and speakers on that stage thing they have
17:50 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I thought you were ignoring me
17:50 <@benthemeek> klixa: Jonnyx is in fact tryin to briong experimental electronic music and such to the con
17:51 <@klixa> centnenial park also makes it so young people might attend, since they are hanign gout on west end anyway
17:51 <@klixa> hanging*
17:51 <@benthemeek> I dont really do concerts or loud noises all that well so I will probably not participate in whatever festivities that arise from such.
17:51 <@klixa> benthemeek  you are old and lame
17:52 <@klixa> anyway. if i was puting on somehting like phreakmic...it would be a party in the park, and thats it...since its only drawing 100 people...it sounds like it oses more money than it makes
17:52 <@benthemeek> Yeah I was looking to see what music I had on my phone for between talks (downloaded) and all I had were french composers. I didnt think anyone would appreaciate that so I played nothing
17:52 <@timoguin> it's non-profit?
17:53 <@benthemeek> next year I will try to bring some good techno or something
17:53 <@klixa> timoguin even so, losing money is not the goal
17:53 <@klixa> benthemeek how do you know
17:53 <@klixa> you assume they all only like techno
17:53 <@klixa> i fucking hate techno
17:53 <@klixa> techno can DIAF
17:53 <@benthemeek> debussey FTW!
17:53 <@Bahhumbug> You misspelled "noise" I believe.
17:53 <@klixa> Bahhumbug exactly
17:53 <@brimstone> techno causes vaccines
17:54 <@klixa> o.O
17:54 <@klixa> OMG
17:54 <@timoguin> autism causes techno
17:54 <@benthemeek> I actually kind of like techno
17:54 <@benthemeek> as a background noise while doing things
17:54 <@klixa> i think ost people like classical music over NOTHINGINGNESS
17:54 <@klixa> benthemeek your judgment sucks
17:54 <@klixa> i blame your flu vaccine
17:54 <@timoguin> nothingness is my favorite genre
17:54 <@brimstone> benthemeek causes the flue
17:54 <@brimstone> *flu
17:55 <@timoguin> chimney flue
17:55 <@brimstone> worst kind
17:55 -!- klixa is now known as theflu
17:55 <@theflu> im getting you all
17:55 <@timoguin> I got mine cleaned by Chimney Masters
17:55 <@timoguin> A++ would recommend
17:55 -!- benthemeek is now known as ben-the-vaccine
17:55  * theflu hides from ben-the-vaccine 
17:55 <@brimstone> i love where this is going
17:58 <@ben-the-vaccine> My awesome french composers list ...https://play.spotify.com/user/1268285906/playlist/28NifM8NCZpvp96D34Tqmn
17:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Spotify (at play.spotify.com)
17:59  * theflu invades everyone before ben-the-vaccine  does
17:59 -!- theflu is now known as klixa
18:00 <@ben-the-vaccine> Looks like decius had the flu
18:00 <@ben-the-vaccine> he recorded his talk and uploaded it to youtube rather than come give us all it
18:00 <@brimstone> should have brought it to the con
18:01 -!- ben-the-vaccine is now known as benthemeek
18:01  * frsilent plays violin, sooo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ2b9rF_zN8
18:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Antonio Vivaldi : Concerto for Violin and Strings Rv 356 ( LEstro Armonico ) - Fabio Biondi - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:01 <@klixa> i live din nashville for about 5 years while phreaknic wsas happening, and i NEVER heard of it
18:01 <@klixa> i think thats one issue wiht PN
18:01 <@klixa> why didnt i hear about it
18:02 <@brimstone> why didn't you go looking for it?
18:02 <@klixa> last year is the first time i have heard about it, despite all my friends and fami;y living there, and a high percntage ofg them being into computers/IT/coding
18:02 <@benthemeek> We should buy a bilboard.
18:02 <@klixa> how do you advertise currently
18:02 <@benthemeek> or make one with lasers over someone elses!
18:03 <@klixa> how is PN advertised currently
18:03 <@benthemeek> its not
18:03 <@klixa> then how do people know about it
18:03 <@benthemeek> this past year consisted of dru and amber going from tech group to tech group and promoting it
18:03 <@wilpig> klixa: mouth to mouth
18:03 <@benthemeek> and some of them came which was cool
18:04 <@klixa> what is the goal of phreaknic?
18:05 <@benthemeek> frsilent: thanks for sharing, I am currently enjoying that piece
18:05 <@wilpig> klixa: in the past it was a security con for the se2600 region
18:05 <@klixa> form the outside, it seems liek a wya for people who already know each ptehr to hang out a few days each year
18:06 <@brimstone> now it's a Technology Con
18:06 < frsilent> benthemeek: one of my favorites, one of the more technically difficult pieces from the suzuki lessons
18:06 <@klixa> wilpig did you go this year
18:06 <@klixa> was there a pig roast
18:06 <@wilpig> klixa: no I didn't
18:06 <@brimstone> there was no pig roast either
18:06 <@wilpig> I went to a party and a primus concert
18:06 < aestetix> klixa: one issue is that a lot of guys who were "hackers" in the 90s are now middle aged balding dads
18:06 <@klixa> lame
18:07 <@klixa> aestetix yeah thats why i said they need to draw in younger people
18:07 <@benthemeek> yeah halloween was a scheduling conflict
18:07 <@klixa> but they wont doing it the way they are doing it
18:07 <@brimstone> there was a 7yo kicking ass at Unreal
18:07 <@benthemeek> yes but I wished she would of stopped singing that annoying song
18:07 <@wilpig> does that beat the 5yr old that was kicking ass in the strip club the year before?
18:07 <@benthemeek> I finally told her I could her in the other room durring the talk and if she would just sing quieter...
18:08 < aestetix> I mena I'm glad there are folks like benthemeek actively looking to learn new philosophies
18:08 <@klixa> benthemeek you are such a meaney
18:08 < aestetix> Most of those guys are old boring and just watch sports now
18:08 <@benthemeek> I think it was jingle bells batman smells.. over and over while she killed people in unreal
18:08 <@klixa> imo, 100 peple is more of a park event
18:08 <@klixa> not a reeason to rent a convention center ocaiton thing
18:09 <@klixa> location*
18:09 <@benthemeek> klixa: I dont want to go to a concert. I want to go learn stuff and hack at stuff and talk to others who like doing the same
18:10 <@klixa> benthemeek not a concert
18:10 <@klixa> you cna set up booths and stuff
18:10 <@benthemeek> outdoors?
18:10 <@klixa> yeah, people do it all the time
18:10 <@klixa> kinda like the artesian festival
18:10 <@benthemeek> with the great ball of fusion in the sky baking our pasty white skin? Are you insane?
18:11 <@klixa> :P
18:12 <@klixa> i hate hashtags #hastagssuck
18:12 <@benthemeek> Dru wants to do it again in may I believe
18:12 <@wilpig> ...
18:12 <@benthemeek> make it a twice a year thing
18:12 <@klixa> do what? anpther pn?
18:12 <@klixa> hes a fucking idiot
18:12 <@wilpig> did you hit him in the fucking face?
18:13 <@wilpig> that's teh proper response for such a statement
18:13 <@benthemeek> lol
18:13 <@klixa> why does dru act like he owns PN?
18:13 <@klixa> i mean, he acts like its HIS
18:13 <@benthemeek> If he wants to do that, whats wrong with it?
18:13 <@klixa> i have seen interviews with him and stuff
18:13 <@wilpig> it won't fly
18:13 <@wilpig> there's too much shit going on int eh spring already
18:14 <@klixa> benthemeek why are you sol tolerant
18:14 <@wilpig> did you not see the shit we went through finding a date for geeknic?
18:14 <@benthemeek> Yeah I dont know how seriously he has looked at that yet.
18:14 <@wilpig> and that has so little going on it's easy to plan
18:14 <@wilpig> if you had given the proper response he wouldn't have given it a second thought.
18:15 <@klixa> i wonder if benthemeek  argues aganst dru the way he argues against us
18:15 <@klixa> prolly not, he sides with lame ass retarded people
18:15 <@klixa> :P
18:15 <@benthemeek> the proper response being that thats a crazy idea?
18:15 <@klixa> benthemeek no, punch in the face
18:15 <@benthemeek> I didnt know if it was or wasn't.
18:15 <@klixa> poor boy cant even read
18:17 <@klixa> my child is addicted to reese peanut butter cups
18:17 <@benthemeek> So am I
18:17 <@benthemeek> I havent gone through my kids halloween candy yet
18:17 <@benthemeek> but they will all magically vanish because Im the grinch
18:20 <@brimstone> the halloween grinch
18:20 <@benthemeek> And tilghman if he were here could attest that I argue with Dru. Particularly when I feel that descenting voices are being misunderstood and are in fact not malicious
18:21 -!- benthemeek is now known as ben-the-peaceful
18:23 <@Dickie> and I'm Dickie!
18:23  * wilpig slaps Dickie 
18:25 < aestetix> girls poop
18:25  * ben-the-peaceful *Gasp*
18:25 <@wilpig> 18:23 < Yo_q> Semantics :P if you list my company's name on your page, it's essentially a non-paying sponsorship.
18:25 <@wilpig> !define sponsorship
18:26 <@wilpig> damn GateKeeper 
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> @google define sponsorship
18:26 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Sponsor - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sponsor>; Sponsor | Define Sponsor at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sponsor>; sponsorship - definition of sponsorship by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sponsorship>; Sponsor (commercial) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> @alias add define google define $0
18:26 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> define sponsorship
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm
18:27 <@wilpig> Dickie is showing off in that other channel
18:27 <@wilpig> 18:26 < Dickie> !define sponsorship
18:27 <@wilpig> 18:26 < fedaykin> sponsorship: a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing.
18:27 <@wilpig> 18:26 < Dickie> wilpig: that's how it's done
18:27 < aestetix> ben-the-peaceful: do you want me to come to PN19 as a stripper?
18:27 <@wilpig> aestetix: you're hired
18:28 <@wilpig> I'm paying with pizza coupons
18:28 <@ben-the-peaceful> We had jesus here this year
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> You're paying it to troll?
18:28 <@ben-the-peaceful> and I think his girlfriend mother nature?
18:28 <@ben-the-peaceful> Also we had someone dressed in full soviet military garb
18:28 <@ben-the-peaceful> you would of appreciate that Aestetic
18:29 <@ben-the-peaceful> x*
18:29 <@wilpig> how is that okay but someone dressed as hitler isn't?
18:29 <@ben-the-peaceful> The roller derby girls had lots of interesting costumes
18:29 <@ben-the-peaceful> Elsa and Anna came
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> @version
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> I broke my bot :)
18:30 <@wilpig> excellent!
18:30  * wilpig applauds Bahhumbug 
18:30 <@klixa> ben-the-peaceful why would you be going thorugh your childnres halloween candy?
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18:30 <@Bahhumbug> Candy theft
18:30 <@wilpig> to find the razor blades I hid in there
18:31 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:31 <@ben-the-peaceful> To eat the reeses
18:31 < aestetix> So are there teenage hackers anymore?
18:31 <@klixa> i didnt taker kylie trick or treating
18:31 <@klixa> take*
18:31 <@wilpig> aestetix: they all play minecraft now
18:31 <@klixa> we went and got a Franken Frapp ay starbucks and a free donut at krispy kreme
18:32 <@klixa> ddnt do a bday cake either
18:32 < aestetix> huh
18:32 < aestetix> The whole "ethical hacking" trend is bullshit
18:32 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has joined #se2600
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18:32 <@Bahhumbug> @alias remove define
18:32 <@Bahhumbug> @version
18:33 <@klixa> i still havent got her any presents... gonna do that next week when i have money
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid bot takes too long to sync to the 348765384765345 channels it's on
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+limnoria installed on 2014-10-11T01-14-49, running on Python 2.6.6 (r266:84292, Jan 22 2014, 09:42:36)  [GCC 4.4.7 20120313 (Red Hat 4.4.7-4)].  The newest versions available online are 2014.11.01 (in testing), 2014.10.09 (in master).
18:33 <@ben-the-peaceful> I think about giving the kids a hundred bucks each and saving my shopping...
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> @alias add define google definition of $0
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> @define testing
18:33 < RangerZ1> ben-the-peaceful: you realize that there has never been a case in the USA where halloween candy was spiked, other than by the child's actual family members using it as an excuse to poison the child/family
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Testing | Define Testing at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/testing>; Test - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/test>; testing - definition of testing by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/testing>; test - definition of test by The Free Dictionary: (2 more messages)
18:33 <@klixa> well you cant give a 1 year old $100 Bahhumbug
18:33 <@klixa> err
18:33 <@klixa> ben-the-peaceful
18:33 <@klixa> amnit
18:33 <@Bahhumbug> There's your silly define trigger
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> Note to self: recursive defines are a Bad Idea (tm)
18:34 <@wilpig> lol
18:34 <@klixa> RangerZ1 my view is , if one is that worried dont let them trick or treat
18:34 <@ben-the-peaceful> RangerZ1: Yes. I am purls going through the candy to steal reeses. I am a skeptic. I do not partipate in fear mongering hoopla
18:34 <@ben-the-peaceful> purly*
18:34 < RangerZ1> lol, ok
18:34 < RangerZ1> just making sure
18:34 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: LISP creators would like to have a word with you, as would PASCAL
18:34 < RangerZ1> lol
18:35 <@klixa> RangerZ1 i lived in a house when i was about 10, and the previous tennants had lived there like forever...and my babysotter said they gave her old biscuits when they went trick or treating there as a kid
18:35 < RangerZ1> neither are 'exactly' that,but... clse enough, lol
18:35 <@klixa> those people were craaaaazy
18:35 <@ben-the-peaceful> I cant remember what we were trying to define earlier,
18:35 <@ben-the-peaceful> prostitute shaming or something
18:35 <@klixa> slut
18:36 <@klixa> slut shaking
18:36 <@klixa> shaming*
18:36 <@klixa> i think prostitutes shoudl be killed
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ1: My comment should have read "Note to self: recursive aliases are a Bad Idea (tm)
18:36 <@ben-the-peaceful> @define slutshaming
18:36 <@GateKeeper> ben-the-peaceful: Urban Dictionary: Slut Shaming: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Slut%20Shaming>; Slut-shaming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming>; FAQ: What is “slut-shaming”? | Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog: <http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/>; The Definition of the Phrase "Slut Shaming" - Womens (2 more messages)
18:36 < RangerZ1> we had a really nice hallow tradition at my undergrad where the special needs (whatever the PC term is now) (it was M.R. before) class would trick-er-treat in the school with all the other students
18:36 < RangerZ1> b/c it was generally too dangerous to let them do it 'normally' , but in the school it was very controlled, and nice
18:36 <@klixa> i think trick or treating is stupid
18:36 < RangerZ1> s/hallow/halloween
18:37 < RangerZ1> ok klixa-crazy-pants-v2
18:37 < RangerZ1> ;)
18:37 <@klixa> RangerZ1 dude, i can buy my kid MUCH better candy
18:37 <@ben-the-peaceful> At some of our centers (nursing homes) they give out candy to the kids who come through
18:37 <@ben-the-peaceful> the seniors love it as much as the kids do
18:37 <@klixa> fuck candy corn, fuck those black wax paper wrapped things, etc
18:37 <@klixa> yeah, well i think old people are stupid too
18:37 <@klixa> ben-the-peaceful
18:37 -!- ben-the-peaceful is now known as benthemeek
18:38 <@benthemeek> It depends klixa just like with any age
18:38 <@klixa> lol
18:38 <@benthemeek> Many people are in fact in nursing homes just until they are well enough to return home after a major surgery
18:38 <@benthemeek> some of them even still drive
18:38 <@benthemeek> its the memory wards that are truly sad
18:39 <@klixa> i dont like nirsing homes
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: You may be look like the happiest go luckiest person on the planet.  Good going.
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> s/may/make/
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> FML
18:39 <@klixa> my father lived to be 84, and never was in a ursing hime...he worked until the very end
18:39 <@benthemeek> I dont like hospitals. But both are a necessary part of our society.
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> You make me...
18:40 <@klixa> benthemeek i dont like that we need nursing homes...i dont like that middle class yuppie people abandon their parents in them
18:40 <@wilpig> I've already told my parents i'm putting them in a home
18:40 <@klixa> my parents are dead
18:41 <@benthemeek> klixa: espeacilly with memory and dementia patients it is impossible to care for them at home
18:41 <@klixa> benthemeek no, its just hard
18:41 <@benthemeek> blame the fact as well that in todays world both spouses usually have to work to make what the living their parents and grand parents did after WW23
18:41 <@benthemeek> 2*
18:41 <@wilpig> klixa: if they get to the point where you can't leave them unattended it can be impossible
18:42 < aestetix> you know
18:42 <@benthemeek> When they forget who you are try to hurt you or themselves...?
18:42 < aestetix> the only criticism of "white privilege" I hear come from people who are white
18:42 < aestetix> I have never heard a black person bitch about it.
18:42 <@klixa> aestetix those people are dumb
18:42 < aestetix> I agree
18:42 <@klixa> i saw an article where a whote revalege person said the OJ SIMPSON trial was an example of whote provalege
18:42 <@klixa> she obviously isnt aware he wsas guilty as fuck
18:43 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I was simply explaining that there may not be a capable adult at home to supervise a ailing parent any more if both have to work
18:43 <@klixa> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-broadbent/a-mothers-white-privilege_b_5698263.html
18:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Mother's White Privilege | Elizabeth Broadbent (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
18:43 <@klixa> this woman is retarded
18:43 < aestetix> klixa: I don't believe in "white"
18:43 < aestetix> I believe in irish, german, french, etc
18:43 < aestetix> white is bullshit
18:44 <@klixa> benthemeek no one even tried anymore tho
18:44 <@klixa> tries*
18:44 <@benthemeek> Thats not true
18:44 <@Dickie> elaborate...
18:44 <@benthemeek> My mother in law just lived with me for 3 years
18:45 <@benthemeek> There is home health organizations too
18:45 <@benthemeek> we have far too many elderly just to put them all in homes
18:45 <@wilpig> we could process them like cattle
18:45 <@klixa> anyway, i think im having an army of children so they can take care of me later
18:46 <@benthemeek> My neighbors are both in there 80's. They literally stay in their bathrobes and watch netflix most of the day
18:46 <@Dickie> word
18:46 <@benthemeek> They are very cool people though
18:46 <@benthemeek> klixa: I dont want my children to have to care for me
18:47 <@benthemeek> If things get bad I will politely exit and make sure I dont muck up their lives
18:47 <@klixa> thats just it
18:47 <@Dickie> i want my children to enslave the people who will care for me
18:47 <@benthemeek> Dickie: LOL
18:47 <@klixa> thats THE PROBLEM benthemeek , you feel being in their lives and needing their help is BAD for them
18:47 <@klixa> this is why i like collectivist socieites better
18:47 <@klixa> instead of the ME ME ME society
18:47 <@klixa> selfish culture
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> Uh, what?
18:48 <@benthemeek> There comes a point in your life where you have the last good day
18:48 <@benthemeek> why prolong it?
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> That's the most selfless thing I can think of.
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> Not wanting to be a burden to your children.
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> How can you possibly see that as selfish?
18:48 <@klixa> Bahhumbug no, what i mean is no one shoudl see helping peopel they love as a burdeb
18:48 <@klixa> burden*
18:48 <@klixa> it shoudlnt BE a burden to his kids if they need to care for him
18:49 <@klixa> caring for people should be a good thing and not looked at with annoyance
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> But the reality of the situation is that it _is_ a burden.
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> And it's also an issue of pride.
18:49 <@benthemeek> Exactly
18:49 <@Dickie> It *is* a burden. The definition of one.
18:49 <@klixa> its a burden cause people are very "me" oreinted instead of you/us oriented
18:49 <@wilpig> hahah "now you can talk and we took care of that mustache you had"  
18:50 <@Dickie> I'm burnt out. I just want to make a fart joke or two and drink my whiskey
18:50 <@Dickie> My son smiled today and I missed it because I went back to work.
18:50  * wilpig farts on Dickie 
18:50 <@benthemeek> My mother in law wore diapers to bed. If I had had to help changing those diapers can you imagine the state of her dignity?
18:50 <@Dickie> LIFE IS OVER
18:51 <@klixa> benthemeek i feel teh worls views all this wrong
18:51 <@klixa> world*
18:51 <@benthemeek> The universe willing my kids will never change my diapers
18:51 <@klixa> anyway, i would take care of my parents if they werent dead
18:51 <@benthemeek> I changed theirs and thats where it needs to stop
18:52 <@klixa> also, this whole burden thing...the burden does not go away anyway
18:52 <@klixa> it gets transfeered to someone else
18:53 <@Dickie> Like the coroner
18:53 <@Dickie> Ever think of them?
18:53 <@Dickie> HMM
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: My mom lost her mind in the course of 8 hours.  She was told her breast cancer metastasized into brain cancer and her mind shut down between the time I left for work and when I got back.  I was her primary care given for at-home hospice.  There were certain things I just could not do so got an in-home hospice service to help out with those tasks.
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> But even so... it was the single hardest thing I've ever had to deal with and I don't wish it on anyone.
18:54 <@Bahhumbug> And yes, the diapers were part of things at our house as well.
18:54  * benthemeek nods
18:54 <@klixa> i hate changing diapers
18:54 <@klixa> especially rigght now, being pregnant agian with superhuman sense of smell
18:54 <@klixa> its hard
18:55 <@benthemeek> You have evolved that sense to stay far away from potential threats to your unborn baby
18:55 <@wilpig> I'm a threat!
18:55  * wilpig farts again
18:55 <@benthemeek> Its why pregnant women usually hate fish; a meat that goes bad very quickly
18:56 <@klixa> i had tuna fish last night
18:56 <@klixa> i was craving it
18:56 <@klixa> :P
18:56 <@benthemeek> LOL
18:56 <@benthemeek> except for you apparently
18:56 <@benthemeek> who are the exception to many things
18:56 <@benthemeek> Im going
18:56 <@klixa> i went with michael on a tow to siux falls south dakota (250 miles each way, bad idea, was boring)
18:56 <@klixa> and stopped at subway
18:56 <@klixa> and the ONLY thing that didnt make me wanna puke was tuna
18:56 <@benthemeek> but Im really lazy, what it the proper protocol to go away in IRC? is there like  a slash afk or something
18:57 <@klixa> benthemeek later /quit
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> /me &
18:57 <@benthemeek> I was just gonna leave it up though
18:57 <@klixa> he desnt syay logge din tho
18:57 <@klixa> away messages ar eonly for if you stay logged in
18:57 <@klixa> oh
18:57 <@benthemeek> &
18:57 <@klixa> benthemeek you say "bye everyone"
18:57 <@klixa> thats t
18:57 <@klixa> it*
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> Away messages can get you beaten up.
18:58  * Bahhumbug &
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> It's really just that easy.
18:58 -!- benthemeek is now known as benthemeek-away
18:58 <@klixa> Bahhumbug nah, you get the kind that only engage when someone pm's you
18:58 <@klixa> benthemeek-away NOOOOOOOO
18:58 <@klixa> thats a no no
18:58 <@benthemeek-away> what?
18:58 <@klixa> bad etqiuette
18:58 <@klixa> it add to channel flooding
18:58 <@wilpig> meh
18:58 -!- benthemeek-away is now known as benthemeek
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
18:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: People who use /away constantly suck ass (at sackheads.org)
18:58 <@klixa> Bahhumbug my away message onlt ebgages when pm-ed
18:58 <@klixa> engages*
18:59 <@benthemeek> I dont understand the etiquette always. You guys just need to flame me when I screw up.
18:59 <@benthemeek> Peace. out
18:59 <@Bahhumbug> You should really disable ctcp
18:59 <@klixa> well i dont do it now...i just leave when i leave... i get up to chase a baby too  much to actually do things
19:00 <@Bahhumbug> Actually...
19:00  * Bahhumbug &
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19:06 <@Dickie> hey
19:07 <@Dickie> hey
19:07 <@Dickie> listen
19:07 <@brimstone> hey
19:07 <@brimstone> hey
19:07 <@Dickie> I love you
19:07 <@brimstone> (it's your brithday)
19:07 <@Dickie> You're special. You're important. You're wonderful.
19:07 <@Dickie> Don't ever forget that, champ.
19:07 <@brimstone> what about the rest of the people here?
19:08 <@Dickie> They're all crazy stupid special, too.
19:08 <@Dickie> The only thing in my stomach is whiskey and coke
19:08 <@Dickie> the only thing in my heart is love
19:08  * Dickie blows kisses
19:09 <@brimstone> better than blowing chunks
19:10 <@wilpig> alright.  I'm gonna try to peel some apples using a drill.  anyone want to take bets on me going to the hospital tonight?
19:11 <@NotLarry> Wait, brimstone, Who is chunks?  Was he at phreaknic with your group this year?
19:12 <@brimstone> nope, a local nashvillian i thought
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19:13 <@NotLarry> I seriously got to find this guy in Huntsville
19:19 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQw5Ua2B_SQ
19:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Worst Internet Job? The D*ck Pic & Beheading Removal Industry - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:19 < RangerZ1> I love GateKeeper sometimes, lol
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19:59 <@Shadow404> NotLarry: why so important?
20:04 < RangerZ1> long lost child
20:04 <@Shadow404> one of his astranged offspring?
20:07 < RangerZ1> one of
20:11 < RangerZ1> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/03/1811234/smartphone-app-to-be-used-as-hotel-room-keys
20:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Smartphone App To Be Used As Hotel Room Keys - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
20:11 < RangerZ1> ohh... this is going to be good...b/c they aren't going to do the crypto right... murphey's law
20:12 < RangerZ1> and murphey was my uncle ;) lol
20:13 <@eryc> http://yourfuckingpollingplace.com/
20:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Find Your Fucking Polling Place (at yourfuckingpollingplace.com)
20:19 < aestetix> http://oakdac.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/dac-privacy-and-data-retention-policy-final-110314.pdf
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22:17 <@Dagmar> What's with Jack in the Box marketing _directly_ to stoners?
22:17 <@Dagmar> It isn't even subtle.
22:34 < scoob> everybody, remember to vote on Nov. 5th
22:34 < scoob> http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2014/11/03/whos-behind-the-misleading-remember-to-vote-november-5th-signs-on-college-campuses
22:41 <@NotLarry> Shadow404: kind of offered me a job
23:00 < aestetix> RangerZ1: so you have to have a "smart" phone to stay at the hotel?
23:03 <@Shadow404> you know, that seems like more effort then its worth
23:03 <@Shadow404> technically
23:03 <@Shadow404> first off, cell is spotty in a large hotel
23:03 <@Shadow404> second off, wifi can also be patchy
23:04 <@oddball> By the way, the W hotels are apparently for rich men to bring the girls their hooking up with for the night.
23:04 <@Shadow404> i wouldnt want it to work off proximity to maybe my bluetooth radio on the phone either, given i could leave my phone on the sink for example and the door to stay unlocked
23:04 <@oddball> Or at least the one in Atlanta down the street from Dragoncon totally is.
23:05 <@Shadow404> also, i dont wanna pull my phone out when im drunk, or carrying suitcases/luggage, or holding a leash, etc
23:05 <@Shadow404> a room card is about the max effort i wanna use to open a hotel room door
23:06 <@Shadow404> and those can be trouble anyways
23:06 <@oddball> Or... you know... staying out late and discovering that your phone's battery is dead by the time you get back to your room.
23:06 <@Shadow404> plus like RangerZ1 said, even more issues with crypto
23:06 <@Shadow404> that too
23:06 <@Shadow404> just not a feasible idea
23:06 <@Shadow404> great on paper, not in praticality like many things
23:06 <@Shadow404> on that note
23:07 <@Shadow404> NotLarry: hope you get the job
23:07 <@Shadow404> night all
23:10 < aestetix> or if you get drunk and drop your phone in the toilet
23:17 <@NotLarry> Shadow404: I lost the guys info:)
23:17 <@NotLarry> it was on my phone, wiped it yesterday.
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23:48 < aestetix> relaying from another channel
23:48 < aestetix> 04:49 <+aestetix_> ok question
23:48 < aestetix> 04:49 <+aestetix_> is the bay area the only place where companies try to make you part of a corporate "family"?
23:49 < aestetix> 04:49 <+aestetix_> and try to organize all kinds of shit outside of work so you spent all your time basically at work?
23:51 < scoob> What, you don't want an office with dinner, laundry, and a place to sleep at night?
23:53 < aestetix> don't forget the "optional" movie nights, ping pong tournaments, office parties, baseball teams...
23:56 < aestetix> Does this happen in nashville too?
23:57 <@oddball> I've seen a lot of tech companies that seem to want to operate like old company stores.
23:57 < aestetix> old company stores?
23:57 <@oddball> sorry... old pre-unions company towns
23:58 < aestetix> Like coal mining or factory towns?
23:58 <@oddball> yep
23:58 < aestetix> Isn't the difference there that you could spend 40 years working at one of those?
23:59 <@oddball> well... yeah...
23:59 < aestetix> I could see working for 40 years at an energy plant, or a coal mine.
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