--- Log opened Mon Oct 27 00:00:13 2014 00:36 < aestetix> wilpig: does tumblr allow remote work? 00:40 <@Dickie> twerk* 00:42 < RangerZ1> aestetix: not for those who work IN the data center 00:42 < RangerZ1> kinda still have to have someone swap HDDs/cables/etc, lol 00:42 < RangerZ1> plus yahoo was the company thats getting rid of remote work, remember? 00:45 < aestetix> that is right 00:45 < aestetix> because marissa mayer is a fucking idiot 00:47 <@Dagmar> Oh sonofa 00:56 < RangerZ1> wow.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIbzzcUEcAo the amount of trolling with corydon that could happen with this 00:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Politician: I Look Forward To Heaven Because Gays Don’t Get In - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 00:56 < RangerZ1> lol 01:00 < RangerZ1> aestetix: she's not stupid 01:00 < RangerZ1> working together is better for lots of aspects 01:00 < RangerZ1> but it limits the people that will want to work there 01:01 < RangerZ1> b/c millennials will want to feel self-entitled to work from home and feel that they don't need to bother with other people. 01:18 < aestetix> It makes sense for most roles. 01:19 < aestetix> But it does not make sense for someone who has to do things like overnight maintenance 01:23 < RangerZ1> 'sense' not really 01:23 < RangerZ1> not from the employer's perspective 01:23 < RangerZ1> employers don't have to pay transportation or 'for the time to get to work', etc 01:24 < RangerZ1> plus, if you get people together to solve problems, you can start to build 'institutional knowledge' beyond what is generally tangible 01:24 < RangerZ1> thats why older employees are so beneficial, its more about the intangibles that build up 01:24 < RangerZ1> just look at Bahhumbug or Dolemite 01:24 < RangerZ1> or Dagmar 01:25 * RangerZ1 goes into witness protection now 01:25 < RangerZ1> lol 01:26 <@Bahhumbug> You're gonna get cut. 01:27 < RangerZ1> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/11187063/Professor-suspended-from-top-university-for-giving-off-negative-vibes.html oh god... we're all fucked 01:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Professor suspended from top university for giving off 'negative vibes' - Telegraph (at www.telegraph.co.uk) 01:27 < RangerZ1> [The case against him included "inappropriate sighing", "making ironic comments" and "projecting negative body language”.] 01:28 <@Bahhumbug> http://i.imgur.com/k2wGIOd.png 01:28 <@Bahhumbug> I find this amusing. 01:30 < RangerZ1> lol... yeah... sounds about right 01:30 <@Bahhumbug> http://i.imgur.com/DARljro.png 01:33 < RangerZ1> the idea of the "sharing economy" brought to a whole new level.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10665202/Dating-apps-hit-sex-industry-hard 01:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dating apps hit sex industry hard - national | Stuff.co.nz (at www.stuff.co.nz) 01:43 < RangerZ1> wtf...browns beat the raiders today... poor oakland 01:43 < RangerZ1> all 0s, just like the rain gauge 01:49 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00 < aestetix> inappropriate sighing? 02:00 < aestetix> what does that even mean 02:02 < aestetix> RangerZ2: as much as I hate to say it, I can't help but wonder if the person who OKed the suspension is a woman 02:08 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2kertg/tifu_by_cumming_on_my_sons_homework/ 04:18 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:19 -!- RangerZ2 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:38 -!- cordless [cordless@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:50 -!- cordless [cordless@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #se2600 07:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:49 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: Who you callin' old? *cough* *cough* *wheeze* 07:56 <@wilpig> aestetix: we do have several remote folks. most of them are in sales but there are a few devs as well 08:08 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: You're younger than me (48) aren't you? 08:09 <@Dolemite> Yes, but not by much 08:09 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect I'm the old fogey here. 08:10 <@Dolemite> I think NotLarry may have you beat 08:10 <@Bahhumbug> On the plus side, at least from some people's eyes, I'll die before them so they'll be happy. 08:12 * aestetix hands Bahhumbug a pair of depends 08:28 <@wilpig> guess I should head downstairs and do some of that there work stuff 09:02 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@131.94.186.143] has joined #se2600 09:02 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@131.94.186.143] has quit [Changing host] 09:02 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 09:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 09:21 <@wilpig> rofl. http://news-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/10/26/2137245/solving-the-mystery-of-declining-female-cs-enrollment 09:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Solving the Mystery of Declining Female CS Enrollment - Slashdot (at news-beta.slashdot.org) 09:23 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 09:32 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #se2600 09:36 -!- K4k_ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 09:37 -!- K4k_ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 09:38 -!- K4k_ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 09:39 -!- K4k_ is now known as K4k 09:39 -!- K4k [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Changing host] 09:39 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 09:44 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:14 -!- klixa9 [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 10:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa9] by ChanServ 10:23 <@Mirage_> Dolemite/wilpig: See xkcd? 10:23 <@Dolemite> yep 10:23 <@Dolemite> bzzZzZZzZzzZzzz 10:23 < Neoteric> you all suck 10:24 < Neoteric> just stating the obvious 10:24 * wilpig wipes his mouth and denies the allegation 10:27 < Neoteric> apparently you esp wilpig 10:27 < Neoteric> i don't know why 10:28 <@wilpig> cause i'm a dick and i'm out to destroy everything 10:28 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 10:41 <@oddball> And you've turned us all against them. 10:41 <@oddball> To the point that they apparently need a seperate mailing list that no one outside of that mailing list knows about. 10:42 <@oddball> Seriously. There's a PN google group that was created specifically for that task... and everyone was told that that was the proper method of communications if you wanted to help. 10:43 <@Dolemite> Yeah, and the few emails I was copied in on really had nothing to do with planning so much as trying to get the domains transferred to me as a "neutral party" (their words, not mine) 10:43 <@Dolemite> Yes, but Dru set it to moderated and then ignored any emails sent to the group from people he didn't know/agree with 10:44 <@Dolemite> I'm still the owner of that google group, by the way, but I've been hands off as much as possible to keep from taking sides, so to speak 10:44 <@oddball> I have come to believe that the use of Soviet propaganda posters for this year's PN was reflective of the organizers' mindset. 10:45 <@Dolemite> I'm seriously wondering how many room nights will be sold at other hotels due to the ridiculous price of the Maxwell House this weekend 10:46 <@Dolemite> The problem, though, is that there really aren't any other hotels near it 10:46 <@NotLarry> What is the tenn law on reporting automobile accidents? 10:46 <@Mirage_> I've reached the point of not giving a shit 10:46 <@oddball> Oh... and no. Corydon is full of shit about "Well, we were trying not to talk over the loud conversation." They were very much hidding their conversation at the last meeting. 10:46 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: Can you clarify your question, please? 10:47 <@oddball> NotLarry: Ummm... I think you're required to report it if there's over either $300 or $500. 10:47 <@NotLarry> "A friend" was in an automobile accident yesterday. He was rear ended at a stop light. His vehicle actually suffered some much needed realignment to the rear bumper. He did not notify the police. 10:47 <@oddball> Mirage_: Yeah... that's probably the better route to take. I've been trying that route, but obviously failing. 10:48 <@oddball> NotLarry: Ah... yeah... technically "your friend" fled the scene. 10:48 <@Dolemite> If it's enough to file an insurance claim, there has to be a police report 10:48 <@NotLarry> He did not flee. He pulled over and there was not damage to his vehicle. 10:49 <@NotLarry> s/not/no 10:49 <@oddball> Ah... there was no damage to either vehicle? 10:49 <@Mirage_> If the other person files and has "your friend's" information, then "your friend" could be charged with fleeing the scene 10:49 <@oddball> I'm confused by the "suffered some much needed realignment to the rear bumper." 10:50 <@NotLarry> It fixed the truck. The value of the truck was increased by the incident. 10:50 <@oddball> heh 10:50 <@Mirage_> because the insurance company will want a police report and, if there's sufficient damage to said vehicle, may escalate in order to collect 10:50 <@NotLarry> The other driver assured him there was no problem with her vehicle and they went on their way. 10:51 <@NotLarry> No information was exchanged. 10:51 <@Mirage_> in that case, i don't think "your friend" has anything to worry about and needs not worry about fleeing to "canada" 10:51 <@Mirage_> =P 10:53 <@NotLarry> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gfnfdhs8vcr1sjt/2014-10-27%2000.52.41.jpg?dl=0 10:53 <@oddball> Although... I do hear that Canada is a nice place to flee to. :p 10:53 <@wilpig> what do you call that shade of green? baby shit? 10:53 <@NotLarry> I may be canadian 10:54 <@NotLarry> http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/ (you may be a canadian if...) 10:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Am I Canadian? See if you are already a citizen (at www.cic.gc.ca) 10:59 <@Bahhumbug> Tilghman is full of shit. 10:59 <@Bahhumbug> Ben is full of shit. 10:59 <@Bahhumbug> And I think it goes without saying that Dru is full of shit as well. 10:59 <@Bahhumbug> The whole thing should just be renamed to ShitNic and be done with it. 11:02 < Neoteric> well everyone can eat a dick 11:02 < Neoteric> just saying 11:02 <@Dolemite> Why? Were you actually going to come to PN this year, Neoteric? 11:02 <@oddball> See... here's the thing. Those of us that are the most pissed off about this shit (me, Dagmar, wilpig, RangerZ) really want to be proven wrong at the end of the week. 11:07 <@wilpig> Neoteric: are you coming out to geeknic in the spring? I hear tale that dolemite has extra room in his bed 11:07 <@Bahhumbug> I want to see it crash and burn. 11:07 <@wilpig> he's willing to share 11:07 <@Bahhumbug> Explosions. Extra alarm responses. Etc. 11:08 <@Dolemite> Neoteric likes to sleep at the foot of the bed 11:08 <@Bahhumbug> But I'm just an asshole that way. 11:08 <@wilpig> I would love to see it thrive and be proven wrong. unfortunately the sane part of my brain knows they entered into a horrible contract for way too much money, promised room occupancy that they have no hope to cover under theirblock since it closed so early 11:09 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-98-66-187-87.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 11:10 <@oddball> wilpig: Yeah... And that's what they don't understand. We're *not* the enemy. 11:10 <@wilpig> I was the enemy from word one 11:11 <@Mirage_> wilpig: IN his bed? I thought his designated sleeping location was at the foot of Dolemite's bed...preferrably in the fetal position. 11:11 <@Bahhumbug> Of course wilpig is the enemy. 11:11 <@Bahhumbug> Everyone knows that. 11:14 <@wilpig> Here's why I was from word one. Dru needed a scape goat for the failings of last year and I wasn't in the area to refute any claims he would only make in person. He was also pissed last year when I got all over his shit for not getting the contract with the hotel handled, for me stepping in and getting speakers when his magic list of people was generating nothing, and finally because we picked swag or soemthing without any input from him. He was bitching to someone about decisions being made behind his back, etc 11:15 <@wilpig> So now he's out to prove he could have done it all last year but it was me that was fucking everything up. 11:15 <@Bahhumbug> Didn't help that a certain about of batshit crazy was being whispered in his ear. 11:16 <@Bahhumbug> s/about/amount/ 11:16 <@wilpig> that's just pushing his agenda 11:16 <@wilpig> since she's bull in a china shop, hey i've got contacts... 11:20 <@CRasH180> Looking for bull removal service in the Yellow Pages 11:24 <@Bahhumbug> Use an elephant gun. 11:27 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING! 11:27 <@wilpig> who let shapr out of his cage? 11:27 <@shapr> I picked the lock 11:27 <@shapr> new skill 11:28 <@wilpig> calling bs. someone let you out 11:28 <@shapr> aw 11:58 <@oddball> Om nom nom nom: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10372073_1086522711377181_3801693845025286272_n.jpg?oh=9f040a7615d0a67c5f85be016372de66&oe=54F36777&__gda__=1424768590_c9ea0d0875edef1e87aecf9f6f729b1f 11:59 * shapr sneaks up behind wilpig and steals the key again 12:10 <@wilpig> if I had the money to spare i'd have a bee box delivered to the dc 12:27 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:29 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38 <@shapr> wilpig: YES 12:38 <@shapr> beehives for EVERY DC! 12:39 <@shapr> You could get a real beehive and put all your ZigBee/XBee nodes in there. 12:39 < aestetix> vagina 12:39 <@shapr> VAINA 12:39 <@shapr> not that I remember them that well 12:43 <@brimstone> zing! 12:46 * shapr cackles cheerfully 12:48 < ware> what is your name? 12:48 <@shapr> what is your quest? 12:48 < ware> #trolled 12:48 < ware> i wanted to respond to the pn email but figured id just troll by here 12:49 <@shapr> I'm not going to PN :-P 12:49 <@Bahhumbug> Why bother? They'll just ignore it anyway. 12:49 < aestetix> ware: so there *are* trolls in here! 12:49 < ware> the group is a fun punching bag for me 12:49 <@shapr> punch it! 12:49 < ware> nerds get riled up easy 12:50 <@shapr> WE DO NOT 12:50 <@shapr> wait, nm 12:52 < aestetix> shapr: fuck you 12:52 <@brimstone> ware: you gonna be at the party? 12:52 <@shapr> aestetix: you not a woman, no 12:52 < aestetix> ware: do you like butt play? 12:55 < aestetix> ware: silence is consent, so I will assume you like butt play 12:56 <@shapr> SILENCE MEANS NO 12:56 <@shapr> unless previously arranged 12:56 <@shapr> YES MEANS NO 12:56 < aestetix> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/eff-and-aclu-tennessee-team-challenge-unconstitutional-school-district-policy 12:56 <@brimstone> /deeplinks/ 12:59 < ware> brimstone: i dont think so? 12:59 < ware> is pn in murfreesboro now? 12:59 < ware> aestetix: cloud2butt extention had me reading that as "cloud play" ? 13:00 <@Dolemite> ware: Metro Center 13:21 <@wilpig> Dolemite: atlantic city 13:27 <@CRasH180> bbiab 13:27 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39 -!- klixa9 [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: quit] 13:40 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:43 <@wilpig> hahahah http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/101045448346/xmenhalloween 13:54 <@Bahhumbug> For fucks sake... 13:54 <@Bahhumbug> http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/a_programmable_alarm_clock_using_systemd/ 13:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: a programmable alarm clock using systemd (at joeyh.name) 14:00 <@wilpig> what can't systemd do?! 14:01 <@Bahhumbug> Properly run a con? 14:01 <@Bahhumbug> See what I did there? 14:03 <@wilpig> oh you... lol 14:13 <@Dickie> anyone play Smite? 14:14 <@shapr> Dickie: if you get a TF2 promo, I want that :-P 14:14 <@wilpig> I tried to play smite the infidels once, but there were sanctions 14:14 <@Dickie> ...sanctions 14:15 <@shapr> SANCTIONIMONIUS BASTINADO! 14:16 <@Dickie> Oh, well. If anyone plays Smite and wants a promo code for Thanatos & Jack the Reaper Skin, pm me 14:22 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:23 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 14:27 <@CRasH180> Opa! 14:29 -!- Jagobah [~jago77777@cpe-74-133-196-95.swo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33 -!- Jagobah [~jago77777@cpe-74-133-196-95.swo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 14:43 <@wilpig> looks like the tumblr staff has another pre-screening coming up 14:43 <@wilpig> "Excited to announce that we will have an advanced private screening of The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Part 1 on 11/19/14 at 7pm" 214 seats of just tumblr folks 14:45 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13 <@wilpig> who in here speaks junos? 15:15 < aestetix> wilpig: ask for a private screening of Caligula 15:17 <@wilpig> j/w 10 15:21 <@shapr> wheee 15:25 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 15:28 < RangerZ1> so... I'm glad my little email-of-jabbing did the trick and Pope-wanna-be-johnnyX had to post to the se2600 mailing list 15:30 <@wilpig> did he respond to you? or did he just forward that shit about the pi? 15:32 < RangerZ1> the pi crap 15:33 < RangerZ1> but its like when a 4~5 year old learns to tie their shoes 15:33 < RangerZ1> its not really a big improvement, but you gotta give them credit 15:33 < RangerZ1> lol 15:33 <@wilpig> he ignored you 15:33 <@wilpig> that's my point 15:34 < RangerZ1> no he told his minions to repsond 15:34 < RangerZ1> sot hey did 15:34 < RangerZ1> so they* 15:34 < RangerZ1> just envision them as the yellow minions, and it makes everything a bit more amusing 15:36 <@wilpig> nah. ben is playing peacemaker. it's what he does 15:37 < RangerZ1> lol, i know 15:45 <@Bahhumbug> Not well. 15:45 <@Bahhumbug> But whatever. 15:45 <@Bahhumbug> For those that may care CentOS-6.6 is bitflipped and heading out to the public mirrors now. 15:48 <@Bahhumbug> trollolol 16:10 < RangerZ1> here's a likely ' 16:11 < RangerZ1> here's a likely 'maker' question... but anyone know where you can learn to weld? I took mechanical drawing and architectural drawing in HS instead of wood or metal shops 16:13 < RangerZ1> and anyone with kids in/near nashville ... [On October 31st in Sarratt 189 from 12-5pm we will be decorating sugar skulls and crafting paper flowers! We will also have popcorn and candy! ] One of Vandy's social/art groups is going to be hosting a fun event for kids and will be taching about a latino/a holidy of [ El Dia De Los Muertos! ] 16:13 <@opticron> find a welder, some spare wire, some scrap metal, and all the appropriate welding safety items 16:13 <@opticron> and play with things until you figure it out 16:13 <@opticron> otherwise, you could go take a welding class at a local community college 16:14 <@opticron> or trade school 16:14 < RangerZ1> I live in an apt, with no garages or anything... so I was kinda looking for more the 'just show up' idea..(for now) 16:14 <@opticron> ah 16:14 < RangerZ1> b/c its really more for when I go back home, and some far off future plans I have 16:15 <@Bahhumbug> You could practice welding a cage for the crazy one to reside in. 16:15 < RangerZ1> fuck that 16:15 <@opticron> I don't trust the newbie's welds to hold the crazy one 16:15 < RangerZ1> i'd just throw it off the cliff behind my house with her in it, and hope that the river/creek/whatever down at the bottom (i'v never actually seen it b/c of the overgrowth down there)... is deep enough that she drown 16:16 <@opticron> we're not that lucky 16:16 < RangerZ1> opticron: 6 4" grates ,and 9 iron chains and 9 iron locks 16:17 < RangerZ1> 8 for the corners and 1 to lock her to the cage itself 16:17 < RangerZ1> I'd just make a iron dice 16:17 < RangerZ1> lol 16:17 < RangerZ1> wouldn't be too structurally sound, but might hold up for what we need 16:18 <@opticron> unless there's a local makerspace that would teach you how to do things and offer you access to a welder/safety equipment, a trade school might be your best option 16:19 <@opticron> if you were in huntsville, I'm sure we could get someone at ML256 to give you a primer 16:22 < RangerZ1> i've read up on it and know some of the theory 16:22 < RangerZ1> but thats not nearly enough for something like this 16:23 <@opticron> oh I agree 16:23 < RangerZ1> Helps I've done other construction, remodelling, but thats all just knowing about shop safety in general 16:23 <@opticron> I have no idea how to weld properly, but I have some general idea of how to do it and I've attached balls of metal to the bases of several office chairs to keep the center posts off the carpet 16:24 < aestetix> The only thing better than loudly farting at work is blaming it on someone wearing headphones 16:24 <@opticron> at some point, I'll take the time with scrap metal and figure it out properly 16:25 < RangerZ1> I'm looking to buy a few cheap shipping containers, and make them into some outdoor storage "units", but I want to weld some supports in the middle/open up some walk ways/etc between them (shipping containers are weak everywhere except the 4 vertal posts at the corners 16:25 -!- strages_ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-idldodmnlkbramjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:26 <@opticron> yeah...you might want something heftier than a MIG welder for that 16:27 <@opticron> we have a stick welder at ML256 as well 16:27 < RangerZ1> plus... http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/ 16:27 < RangerZ1> its plans/etc of how to build every kind of machine to _build_ a village 16:27 <@opticron> also, if you want them to last any reasonable amount of time, go for the aluminum containers 16:27 -!- strages_ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpuwixelfdimxsmp] has joined #se2600 16:27 <@opticron> the steel ones will just rust away 16:27 <@opticron> especially in the southeast 16:27 < RangerZ1> not that I'd be planning on doing that, but a few of them might be intersting 16:28 < RangerZ1> ohh it would be NE Ohio 16:28 < RangerZ1> so even faster 16:28 <@opticron> yeah... 16:28 <@opticron> even worse if you plan to bury them 16:28 < RangerZ1> nah 16:28 < RangerZ1> structual issues then 16:28 < RangerZ1> i'm not stupid 16:28 < RangerZ1> people try that and always end up with crap 16:28 <@opticron> "bury" 16:29 < RangerZ1> ohh no... I looked online and people were trying to put them under 40" of dirt 16:29 < RangerZ1> to build 'bug out shelters' 16:29 <@opticron> wow... 16:29 <@opticron> that's derpy 16:29 < RangerZ1> its 'survivalist' websites 16:29 <@opticron> unless you've hooked all that weight into the four posts and have those supported properly underneath 16:29 < RangerZ1> if you google for 'shipping container buildings' you'll find ALL kinds of funny nonsense from "preppers" 16:30 < RangerZ1> was quite amusing acutally 16:30 <@opticron> 40' underground is insane 16:30 < RangerZ1> 40 inches 16:30 < RangerZ1> " 16:30 < RangerZ1> not feed 16:30 <@opticron> oh 16:30 < RangerZ1> feet* 16:30 < RangerZ1> but still 16:30 <@opticron> I can't read 16:30 < RangerZ1> if anyone accidently drives over that, it would collapse b/c of a vehicle 16:30 * opticron leaves work 16:30 <@opticron> yeah 16:31 < RangerZ1> but, If I buy one, I'd be buying the 3~4 layer ceremic spray , that is based off the space shuttle's shielding 16:31 <@opticron> or even between them, would cause the walls to cave in 16:31 < RangerZ1> that way it doesn't become a hot box in the summer 16:31 <@opticron> that's very important 16:31 < RangerZ1> (wouldn't provide 'real' insulation), but helps with radiant heat 16:32 < RangerZ1> b/c NE ohio gets almost as hot as TN, but can feel worse sometimes b/c its a valley inside a valley inside a valley 16:32 < RangerZ1> so if hot hummid air comes int 16:32 < RangerZ1> in* it can stay for weeks 16:32 <@wilpig> RangerZ1: are you planning on living in a shipping container after you get your masters? 16:32 < RangerZ1> and no breeze, or anything 16:33 < RangerZ1> wilpig: no, i'm looking to make a couple into a several 1000ft garage 16:33 < RangerZ1> but only 2 of them to start 16:33 < RangerZ1> and then expand 16:33 < RangerZ1> build a wood shop 16:33 < RangerZ1> etc 16:34 <@wilpig> you're saying no, but i'm hearing yes. 16:34 < RangerZ1> but eventually I wouldn't mind building a house of them(if I can do some experiments and prove it is cost effective. I have some blueprints for a module house that I'd _like_ to be able to build slowly 16:35 < RangerZ1> which is why I'm going to build a shop first, and see if it is viable 16:35 < RangerZ1> getting 2 containers and building a huge storage unit, is good enough even if nothing else happens 16:36 < RangerZ1> I plan on building a house either way, just depends on what building materials I decide to use 16:36 < RangerZ1> b/c I want to build an expandable house that I can grow as I can afford it/need it, and then go from there 16:38 < RangerZ1> I know several people who have done that, and even one that started with a mobile home, and then built a _really_ nice house out around that, so its doable, but it always ends up looking weird, or costing way more than it should, b/c people don't plan ahead for that 16:48 < aestetix> god I hate babies 16:48 < aestetix> aka 22 year old startup children 17:02 < aestetix> speaking of which 17:02 < aestetix> fucking uptalk 17:20 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:26 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:34 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@131.94.186.140] has joined #se2600 17:34 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@131.94.186.140] has quit [Changing host] 17:34 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 17:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 17:36 <@CRasH180> Oh no! "-NickServ- You are now identified"! How did they find me?! 17:36 <@CRasH180> Oh, I logged in 17:38 <@Mirage_> fun quota met...time to go home. 17:38 <@CRasH180> cya 17:49 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 < RangerZ1> http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phone-plans/data-messaging-plans/overview/ so virgin mobile changed its plans again, and its a pretty nice improvment 18:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Prepaid Cell Phone Plans | Virgin Mobile USA (at www.virginmobileusa.com) 18:33 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 18:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 18:34 <@benthemeek> I have returned! 18:34 <@benthemeek> Greetings and salutations to everyone. 18:34 <@benthemeek> Are any of the makers 256 guys here? 18:35 <@Bahhumbug> Aren't you going to get in trouble for being here? 18:35 <@wilpig> ^ 18:35 <@benthemeek> You remember the whole mess about the ode of conduct? 18:35 <@benthemeek> code* 18:36 <@wilpig> yup 18:36 <@wilpig> is it blowing up yet? 18:36 <@benthemeek> that is why jonnyx didnt want phreaknic planning going on over channel 18:36 <@benthemeek> he didnt tell anyone to stop coming here. 18:36 <@wilpig> he can't control what's being said, period 18:37 <@wilpig> I found it hilarious that y'all have shit about the california underage laws on there now too 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> That's not really what Tilghman said. 18:37 <@benthemeek> I don't think its about being in control (in that case) as much as it was getting way blown out of proportion and outrage about stuff 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Code Of Conducts are a PC bullshit stroke fest. All you need is "Don't Be A Dick". 18:38 <@benthemeek> *shrugs* hes tryning to borrow from Hope and dragoncon 18:38 <@wilpig> it's retarded 18:38 <@benthemeek> It doesn't matter to me I am trying to just pull the con off 18:38 <@wilpig> unecessary nonsense 18:38 <@Bahhumbug> He is? Or the crazy bitch is? 18:39 < aestetix> benthemeek: I heard we got rid of the trolls 18:39 <@benthemeek> Nah I think he talked to one of the guys who started the nashvilel 2600 and is a lawyer now. Asked him about such a thing 18:39 <@benthemeek> I think Dru is sincere in trying to CYA and make a good con 18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Just so we're clear on this. I'm the one that called your post to the list last night absolute bullshit. 18:39 <@Bahhumbug> I don't want any misconceptions. 18:39 <@wilpig> I think he's sincere about wanting to prove he wasn't the fuckup last year 18:40 <@benthemeek> In anycase I was trying to see if the makers 256 would be bringing the ps3 this year 18:40 <@Bahhumbug> Which sucks. Because I actually like you. 18:40 <@wilpig> the makers didn't bring it last year 18:40 <@wilpig> I did 18:40 <@wilpig> and the xbox 18:40 <@wilpig> and the wii 18:40 <@wilpig> and the gamecube 18:40 <@benthemeek> Its okay. I am trying to keep friends and not offend people. It makes me say way mor ewords than nessesary 18:40 * benthemeek nods 18:40 < aestetix> benthemeek: that offends me 18:41 <@Bahhumbug> You're riding a fence and trying to please everyone. That doesn't work. 18:41 <@benthemeek> and I am going to miss all that. It sucks that you cant come 18:41 <@Dagmar> I'm fine with throwing a few people away now and then 18:41 <@wilpig> and if you're looking for the makers they hang in ##gen 18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Not among the lies, insanity, lack of communication, fucked up scheduling, joke of a website, lack of basic security principles among a slew of other nonsense. 18:41 <@benthemeek> wilpig: Do you feel you havent gotten enough credit for all that? 18:41 <@Dagmar> Don't forget lies! 18:42 <@Dagmar> Oh wait you got those 18:42 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and threats of legal action. 18:42 <@wilpig> I've never sought credit for any of it 18:42 <@wilpig> I'm still looking for an apology for the bullshit 18:42 <@Bahhumbug> And conflicts of fucking interest with McElroy. 18:42 <@wilpig> I still want to see my shit unmoderated off that phreaknic list 18:42 <@benthemeek> The google group? 18:42 <@wilpig> I want his testicals to drop and make a request to me directly and stop with this shit of going to dolemite to make demands of me making bullshit up about me not responding to any communications 18:43 <@wilpig> check the link in my email and tell me what's wrong in that picture 18:43 <@wilpig> you didn't think it was odd my response came through the root list and not the list it should have been on? 18:43 <@Bahhumbug> You're expecting adult behavior from a child, wilpig. 18:43 <@Bahhumbug> That's not going to happen. 18:44 <@benthemeek> Do you not think this is esculating somewhat? 18:44 <@wilpig> I would like someone to relay the message to him that next time I see him in person I will punch him squarely in the mouth so that he understands there are consequences for telling lies about me specifically 18:44 <@benthemeek> I mean this thing between you and dru, wilpig? 18:44 <@wilpig> there is no escalation, there has been no communication between he and I 18:44 <@wilpig> not word one 18:44 <@benthemeek> What lies? that he contacted you and really didnt? 18:45 <@wilpig> he didn't contact me ever, claims he did. 18:45 <@wilpig> claims I was vandalizing the site 18:45 <@wilpig> claims I was reading / intercepting his email 18:45 <@wilpig> there is a long list of claims 18:45 <@wilpig> It's not worth going into here either 18:45 <@wilpig> none of this shit would have been flying if I were still in nashville 18:45 <@Bahhumbug> s/here/here again/ 18:45 <@wilpig> he saw his chance to make me the scape goat, good for him. he should be prepared to pay for it later 18:46 <@benthemeek> Teh scape goat for the delay in the website? 18:46 <@wilpig> scape goat for everything 18:46 <@wilpig> website, emails not being received, undermining him here or there, etc 18:46 <@wilpig> I told you months ago to keep a list of any excuse he used. did you? 18:47 <@benthemeek> No I haven't 18:47 <@wilpig> so you don't see the problem. trust me it's there 18:47 <@benthemeek> The website delay really bothered me, but he has been hard at work behind the scenes to GSD 18:47 <@wilpig> nothing is his fault, there is always and excuse and someone else to blame it on 18:48 <@wilpig> the "schedule" is a joke this year 18:48 <@wilpig> I wouldn't even call that light on speakers I call that barren 18:48 <@benthemeek> Not enough speakers? 18:48 <@wilpig> having one person speak four times... FOUR... really?! 18:48 <@wilpig> elonka three? 18:48 <@Bahhumbug> The schedule is padded. 18:48 <@benthemeek> We have a couple more but we haven;t added them in yet. 18:49 <@Bahhumbug> wtf not? 18:49 <@Bahhumbug> Isn't the con starting _this_ Thursday? 18:49 <@Bahhumbug> And since no one else brought it up.... 18:49 <@Bahhumbug> The hotel is kind of a joke as well. 18:49 <@benthemeek> This is not the only time we have added speakers topics last minute 18:49 <@Dagmar> No one else really cares anymore. 18:49 <@benthemeek> I think thats pretty standard 18:50 <@wilpig> if you want to go back to the website. both myself and dagmar said we could / would set it up and run it 18:50 <@wilpig> the hotel situation is not pretty standard 18:50 <@wilpig> it's standard for a huge con like dragoncon 18:50 <@Bahhumbug> There is no excuse. It doesn't matter if it happened that way in the past or not. If you have speaking commitments they should be scheduled where the public can get to it. 18:50 <@wilpig> it's shit for a small one 18:51 <@benthemeek> I think there are too many talks personally 18:51 <@benthemeek> I wanted a dinner break and to stop sooner 18:51 <@wilpig> benthemeek: be around on thursday and be close to dru, et al whenever there is a hotel person around 18:51 <@wilpig> the money situation will be VERY telling 18:51 <@benthemeek> but thats just my personal opinion 18:52 <@benthemeek> wilpig: it will. But like a lot of the other things, dont we have to trust who we elected to pull this off? 18:52 <@Dagmar> too many talks lol 18:52 <@wilpig> as far as I'm concerned this topic in here is now dead 18:52 <@wilpig> elected is a stretch... 18:52 <@Bahhumbug> Trust? In a hacker community? 18:52 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug++ 18:52 <@wilpig> running unopposed isn't really an election 18:53 <@Dagmar> Trust is for people who don't have crypto 18:53 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: That's how crazy bitch became an officer of nlug. 18:53 <@benthemeek> shes not an officer 18:53 <@Dagmar> Oh she'll become an officer of Nashville 2600 as well at this rate 18:53 <@Bahhumbug> According to nlug she's an officer. 18:53 <@wilpig> can we get back to better conversation in here. this shit is stale and dumb 18:53 <@benthemeek> oh sorry i mean the 2600 18:53 <@wilpig> so I got a raise at work. +6k a year 18:54 <@benthemeek> excellent 18:54 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: awesome. 18:54 <@wilpig> I was told it was 6.5%. what I didn't realize was I got it back in july 18:54 <@Dagmar> wlipig: very nice 18:54 <@wilpig> trying to find that shit in yahoo's backyard was a pita 18:55 <@wilpig> one of our systems guys couldn't figure out how to use teamviewer today. floored me 18:56 <@wilpig> so I had to connect to him, then hit the reverse our roles button to give him access to my desktop in the dc because he couldn't figure out how to run unsigned code on his mac to use the java console on the lights out controller 18:56 <@Bahhumbug> And he's in fucking _SYSTEMS_? 18:56 <@wilpig> yup 18:56 < aestetix> what is teamviewer 18:56 < aestetix> is that like gotomeeting? 18:57 <@wilpig> yeah but single access 18:57 <@wilpig> generates a system code and 4 digit password 18:57 < aestetix> ok 18:57 <@wilpig> I have my relatives use it 18:57 <@wilpig> need tech support, give me the code and i'll look at it 18:58 <@wilpig> so I got this email about 5:45 or so. "Hi NY! 18:58 <@wilpig> We have a bunch of new hires today! We're having a happy hour on 10 to welcome them. 18:58 <@wilpig> Come up and say hello!" 18:58 < aestetix> tell them about my tumblr account 18:58 <@wilpig> dude... your tumblr. lol 18:58 <@wilpig> I saw it again yesterday and laughed 18:59 <@wilpig> anyhow... I hit up the receptionist and told her "If there are any cute single gals in that new hire group feel free to talk me up to them. Great this, wonderful that, kthx" 18:59 <@wilpig> it'll be my luck she'd find it funny and try to hook me up with the.... uh.... what's the pc term for shim? 18:59 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 48 nicks [28 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 19:01 <@wilpig> and now that the room is dead from my stupid stories i'm gonna go fix some dinner 19:01 <@Bahhumbug> hahahaha 19:05 <@benthemeek> So.. anyone in this room going to phreaknic and will admit it? :) 19:10 <@wilpig> you have one possible and htat's oddball 19:10 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 48 nicks [28 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 19:10 <@wilpig> maybe brimstone 19:10 <@wilpig> maybe Dickie 19:10 <@wilpig> maybe strages_ 19:10 < RangerZ1> maybe me, but not likely unless its saturday and I'm bored 19:10 < RangerZ1> if I'm even in town 19:11 <@benthemeek> There was a most excellent talk at skydogcon this year from a guy who lives in clarksville of all places 19:11 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: I also had to answer to some people about TumblrInAction on reddit today 19:11 <@benthemeek> I think he is going to speak saturday morning but I havent nailed it down 19:11 <@Dickie> no 19:12 <@Dickie> Halloween. I gots kids now. 19:12 <@wilpig> someone else said that... 19:12 <@benthemeek> His name is criticalmass? He has spoken at defcon and such 19:12 <@wilpig> alot of someones said that 19:13 <@wilpig> this burrito meat turned out really good 19:17 < strages_> I'm going to Phreaknic 19:18 < strages_> don't care about folks butt hurt 19:18 <@Dagmar> Good for you 19:19 <@Dagmar> I'm about an inch away from bitchslapping someone over it 19:19 <@wilpig> if you do, say it's from me 19:19 <@wilpig> would prefer a punch to a bitch slap 19:20 <@Bahhumbug> wtf is TumblrInAction? 19:20 < RangerZ1> wilpig with a gocam scooting through the data center on a push dolly 19:21 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: If I were to go one of crazy bitch or myseld would spend at least a night in jail. I prefer not to deal with such things in my life. 19:21 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: those crazy sjw people 19:21 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: Better you than me. 19:21 <@wilpig> http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/ 19:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: TumblrInAction: Actually Not That Bad (at www.reddit.com) 19:23 < RangerZ1> I dunno, Dru is too easy to fuck with, its not even worth dealing with it, he thinks he knows lawyers or the law or something... but he's so far gone into his conspiracy theory non-sense that he doesn't even understand how far he truely deep he is into it.... nor can he make logical steps when thinking about how he's under attack. He came out at one meeting (Sept?) and said that he's talked to a lawyer.... 19:24 < RangerZ1> .... and that the org laws aren't binding, so we can't actually vote him out of power, (b/c he thought we were going to do that), so I asked him..."if the org laws aren't legal... then you're not the president are you?" and he just shut the fuck up, lol... 19:24 <@Bahhumbug> He threatened legal action when the site was shown to be a joke. Frankly, he doesn't know Jack or Shit about "the law". 19:25 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to have anything to do with any further discussions about the bylaws until Conningham has weighed in 19:25 < RangerZ1> I feel bad for him, He's obviously gone through something major, to see such a drastic shift in his personality/actions from what people know about him 19:25 <@Dagmar> I think they were being used as a wedge to delibately waste org time 19:25 <@benthemeek> I have seen some of the email to the guy. I cant remember his name, he is a lawyer though 19:25 <@Dagmar> So, no more fucking around with what some idiot girl has to say about it 19:26 <@benthemeek> not about the site stuff but about trying to get a working set of bylaws 19:26 <@Dagmar> Actual lawyer or GTFO 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> But... But... She's a lawyer. 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> Or something/. 19:26 <@Dagmar> It's Chris Cunningham 19:26 <@Dagmar> No, she's a fucking troll 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> I know that. 19:26 < RangerZ1> couldn't pass the bar exam, so just a person with large student loan debt 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> I was the first person in this channel to call her out for being a troll. 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> She's not even a very good one. 19:27 <@Bahhumbug> ware's a better troll. 19:27 <@Bahhumbug> And that's not really saying much. 19:27 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I think that is him yes. 19:27 <@Dagmar> Ware didn't manage to make months worth of meetings unproductive carp fests about bylaw bullshittery 19:27 < RangerZ1> nah, she isn't a troll, she's a manipulator, and has manipulated the split in this channel/group quite well 19:27 <@Bahhumbug> bullshittery. 19:27 <@Bahhumbug> I'm stealing that. 19:28 <@benthemeek> For what its worth I like anarchival in person. I can't say I like the things she said in here but she has been working hard for the con 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> Watch your back. 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> She will stab it. Repeatedly. 19:28 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: ASPD 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> And then watch you bleed to death. 19:28 <@wilpig> damnit you've said the trolls name twice. once more and you'll summon it 19:28 < RangerZ1> of course she has, she cares what you think about her, b/c you're in the group she decided "was on her side" 19:28 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Read up on it, because that's what you're dealing with 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> Amber Amber Amber 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> mercster 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> mercster 19:28 <@Bahhumbug> mercster 19:29 -!- Bahhumbug was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Bahhumbug] 19:29 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600 19:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ, GateKeeper 19:29 <@wilpig> beat me to it 19:29 <@Bahhumbug> I know :D 19:29 <@Bahhumbug> Amber Amber Amber 19:29 <@Bahhumbug> She can't get in. 19:29 <@Dagmar> She'll be very charismatic and friendly and helpful, some of the time to some people, because she knows she'll be exiled if she's a fucking psychopath to everyone all the time 19:29 <@Bahhumbug> If she tries I will call in favors and have her k-lined for abusing network policy. 19:30 < RangerZ1> honestly its probalby just her drinking thats the problem (or that amplifies it) 19:30 <@Bahhumbug> She was that way to _EVERYONE_ in this channel. 19:30 <@Dagmar> I don't think that's it. 19:30 <@Shadow404> hehehe 19:30 <@Dagmar> I think she knows _exactly_ what she's doing 19:30 <@Bahhumbug> It's a large part of it. 19:30 < aestetix> vagina 19:30 <@Shadow404> all of the amusement today on the group list today 19:30 <@Bahhumbug> Or she faked the whole raging alcoholic thing. 19:30 <@Bahhumbug> Which is very possible. 19:30 <@Dagmar> The alcohol is just a convenient excuse 19:30 <@Shadow404> especially about crazy 19:30 <@benthemeek> Her blog is interesting 19:31 < RangerZ1> Dagmar is right, she knows what she is doing, its obvious if you've ever dealt with someone doing the same thing. Its very manipulative, and very destructive 19:31 <@benthemeek> I mean if you want to read about her past; it was pretty messed up. You could go to theories on why she was so verbally abusive to that 19:31 <@wilpig> is interesting another way to say chalk full of crazy 19:31 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder 19:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 19:31 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: Assuming you believe it. 19:31 <@Bahhumbug> She's an habitual liar from what I've seen. 19:32 <@wilpig> fo sho 19:32 <@Bahhumbug> And I'm sorry, but no matter what she may or may not have gone through... it's no excuse to be a raging cunt to everyone in the channel. 19:32 <@Bahhumbug> Agenda or not. 19:32 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: thankfully I don't have to care about her past, I don't really care about people's pasts in general, All I care about is how she treats me and mine(be it family, or friends, or even aquantances), and she was a fucking asshole to me, and everyone in this channel who told her to stop being a prick 19:32 <@benthemeek> Her religous upbringing is very interesting to me because it reminds me of my own. In that I think she has told me the truth 19:32 <@Dagmar> Well, if you're trying to get a paycheck from the CIA there is 19:33 <@Dagmar> I think she's told you what she's decided you want to hear 19:33 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that 19:33 <@Bahhumbug> * 873465897346587345 19:33 <@benthemeek> Bahhumbug: for what its worth I agree. I think she should of been banned 19:33 <@Bahhumbug> She was. 19:33 <@Bahhumbug> I grew sick of her and no one else bothered. 19:33 <@benthemeek> Reading some of the comments later just shocked me 19:33 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix, troll that it is, unbanned her the first time. 19:34 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: nah, its not even that complicated, she just put all her effort into building a power base of "friends" who would accept her, after she was kicked out of all the other "maker" and "programmer" cons in the _region_ because she went off the deep end publicly on twitter, even admitted it in here. 19:34 <@benthemeek> Has she been kicked from other cons? 19:34 <@wilpig> hahaha "you wanna come in for some color tv or sex?" hahaha 19:34 <@benthemeek> Thats news to me 19:34 <@wilpig> yes 19:34 <@wilpig> publically even 19:34 <@wilpig> documented! 19:34 <@benthemeek> hmm not good 19:34 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: she threatened to rape the director of the pythoncon with a broken off beer bottle 19:34 < RangerZ1> then she was banned from that con 19:35 < RangerZ1> and many others apparently 19:35 <@Dagmar> Now that by itself is _very_ telling considering how hard she flogs the social justice thing 19:35 <@benthemeek> *sigh* 19:35 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: mind you the dir. was a guy 19:35 < RangerZ1> so it "couldn't have been sexist" 19:35 < RangerZ1> *twirls finger* 19:35 <@wilpig> I thought we were off the bitching about crazy train? 19:35 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: Don't act so shocked about this. This isn't any big secret. We've been talking about this bullshit for many, many months. 19:36 <@wilpig> I even threw out so much fodder to derail it 19:36 < RangerZ1> I was like... umm... fuck the sexist part... what about the physical/sexual abuse threats 19:36 <@benthemeek> Well until she shows colors like those to Dru or at the con I think she is thought well of. Mainly because of how hard she has worked to get stuff organized with the con 19:36 <@Dagmar> It's only a matter of time 19:36 < RangerZ1> nah, she's going to work hard to keep that core group 19:36 <@wilpig> http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/ 19:37 <@Bahhumbug> I'm telling you right now, mainly cause, like I said, I like you. 19:37 <@Bahhumbug> Watch. Your. Back. 19:37 <@Bahhumbug> She WILL stab you. 19:37 < RangerZ1> b/c she NEEDS that coore gropu 19:37 < RangerZ1> and I need to learn to type apparently 19:37 < RangerZ1> lol 19:37 <@Bahhumbug> I'll take that bet. 19:37 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Dude... Why you gotta link crazy people like that 19:38 <@wilpig> cause we were already talking crazy so I dredged out the previous crazy 19:38 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect she will burn these bridges within the next 3 months. 19:38 < RangerZ1> Bahhumbug: honestly, I can't wait until decemeber nashville2600 meeting... she's going to run for tres. probably 19:38 <@benthemeek> What am I reading wilpig? something she sent you? 19:38 < RangerZ1> b/c corydon doesn't want it, and already wanted to quit, but didn't in time 19:39 <@wilpig> benthemeek: that was something crazypants agreed with 19:39 <@Bahhumbug> Umm, he could bail at any time. 19:39 <@Bahhumbug> He just won't. 19:39 <@benthemeek> yuck 19:39 <@benthemeek> I have no idea what is going to happen with the by laws after the con guys 19:39 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: she accused _every_ male of wanting to have sex with her 19:39 <@benthemeek> they are all screwed up. Cunningham agrees 19:39 < RangerZ1> and we all just laughed 19:39 <@benthemeek> we got to put something together that works and is consistant and that he can sign off on 19:40 <@Dagmar> That's not quite the way that works 19:40 <@Bahhumbug> Umm... why? 19:40 <@benthemeek> They are logically inconsistant and apparently not valid in some ways or something 19:40 <@Bahhumbug> Is he the internal counsel of record? 19:40 <@Dagmar> Cuz we're not fuckin' lawyers and have zero chance of getting it "legal & proper" on our own without downloading someone else's boilerplate bylaws to start with 19:41 < RangerZ1> he's someone dru has been trying to get help from (apparently a real lawyer) 19:41 <@wilpig> they're perfectly fine. there is use of the same term for different things that causes confusion out of context 19:41 <@benthemeek> Hes a former nashville 26000 member and now praticing law in texas i beleive 19:41 < RangerZ1> wilpig: they could use updating and fixing 19:41 <@Bahhumbug> Then his standing here is moot. 19:41 <@Dagmar> Either way, things are effed up enough that it appears us fucking around with it is just wasting time 19:41 <@wilpig> he wasn't a nashville2600 member 19:41 <@Dagmar> They should go to Cunningham for evaluaton 19:41 <@wilpig> he may have been a 2600 person back in the day 19:42 <@Dagmar> Well, most importantly we can trust him to speak English to us 19:42 <@Bahhumbug> If I knew who the fuck was running 312 now I'd just get you their bylaws. 19:42 <@benthemeek> Well we all want to see the con continue. We just need to get this stuff nailed down so it never rears its ugly head again 19:42 <@Dagmar> I can vouch for Cunningham's intelligence and veracity 19:42 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, I don't even know if there IS a 312 any more :/ 19:42 < RangerZ1> the ENTIRE rules/bylaws/etc issue is something you hand to a lawyer and say "make it so" in your best picard accent and have them deal with it, with what specifics you want in it 19:42 < RangerZ1> NOT something members deal with 19:42 <@Bahhumbug> Preferably an impartial lawyer. 19:43 <@Dagmar> Yep 19:43 <@benthemeek> Well we all want to stick to a concensus model 19:43 <@benthemeek> where the members vote on stuff 19:43 < RangerZ1> fuck that 19:43 <@wilpig> benthemeek: that isn't what your president wnats 19:43 <@benthemeek> and a board checks the power of the officers 19:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah and thus far, us talking about it getting nowhere 19:43 < RangerZ1> vote AFTER the legal wording is figured out 19:43 <@Dagmar> Months went by 19:43 <@benthemeek> It is what he tells us he wants 19:43 <@wilpig> that's called doublespeak 19:43 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing personal... 19:43 <@Bahhumbug> But FUCK what HE wants. 19:43 < RangerZ1> well he's stupid then 19:44 <@Bahhumbug> Ya know... 19:44 <@Bahhumbug> This is the same shit, just a different month. 19:44 <@Bahhumbug> And since nothing, and I mean nothing, is going to change, this is becoming really boring. 19:44 <@benthemeek> I think I am having several conversations at once: but the point is after the con we need to shore up the by law stuff (which wont be fun) and get back to planning next con EARLY 19:45 < RangerZ1> http://www.acm.org/chapters/students/manual/part2 shit like THIS is how you deal with it... find a set of rules/bylaws that are CLOSE to what you want, and then tweak them to the #s of people you want, terms, etc. 19:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: ACM Student Chapter Manual: Part 2 Association for Computing Machinery (at www.acm.org) 19:45 <@Bahhumbug> It's funny how people think there will be a con next year. 19:45 <@Bahhumbug> I will happily take bets right now towards that. 19:45 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: we should NOT attempt to shore up any laws , we should tell a lawyer to write laws for us that match the general ideas we want 19:45 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I agree 19:46 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, if the organization still exists in 2 months I will be shocked. 19:46 < aestetix> you know 19:46 < aestetix> I've seen a few groups labor over bylaws 19:46 < RangerZ1> aestetix: we're only laboring b/c we have "people who know law" in the form of crazypants and now dru 19:46 < RangerZ1> and they refuse to just give it completely to a lawyer to do 19:47 < RangerZ1> cunningham seems fine for me. for drafting the laws/etc... and then we need to have TN lawyer go over them 19:47 <@benthemeek> I dont know what started Dru on the hunt to make sure are stuff was legal and good, but now that we know that it isnt we just got to get it fixed 19:47 <@benthemeek> it doesnt need to be a big thing 19:47 < RangerZ1> even if it costs us 200~300$ to get it signed off on 19:47 <@Shadow404> random question, since im not local and have not personally met amber..... 19:47 < aestetix> What I have said is that the purpose of the bylaws is to act as a guide when the social order breaks down. 19:48 <@Shadow404> does johnny and amber possibly have anything going on behind closed doors? 19:48 <@Dagmar> SHUSH YOU 19:48 < RangerZ1> Shadow404: sssshhhh 19:48 <@benthemeek> Nah, Im fairly certain of that 19:48 <@Dagmar> I don't need any more reasons to not sleep 19:48 <@Shadow404> im serious 19:48 < aestetix> IE don't stress as much over the bylaws unless you have to. 19:48 <@Dagmar> So am I 19:48 <@Dagmar> I don't need the nightmares man 19:48 <@Shadow404> cause i could see jx being swayed by the pussy 19:48 < RangerZ1> amber already wants Dagmar, just imagine if it was amber AND dru wanting a 3rd... 19:48 <@benthemeek> Jonnyx and her just have a friendly relationship and she is a very good organizer/typist 19:48 <@Dagmar> I will *cut* you man 19:49 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: it was a fair question 19:49 <@Dagmar> I'm aiming the knife at RangerZ 19:49 <@benthemeek> aesteetix I agree 19:49 < aestetix> benthemeek: the founders of noisebridge spent like 7 months trying to craft bylaws, until they gave up and just went with a general thing 19:49 < RangerZ1> Shadow404: yes it is, but we've been purposely not saying it publicly b/c we don't want to insult either of them, or insinuate anything, but you're not the first person to think that way 19:49 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: That it may be, but it's eclipsed by a few overriding factors 19:50 <@Dagmar> 1. We're _not_ going into the realm of making accusations like that 19:50 <@Dagmar> 2. There's no way they'd let people find proof 19:50 <@benthemeek> I have talked to amber off line. Granted I know you think she is a liar, but there is definitly nothing going on between them in my opinion 19:50 <@Dagmar> 3. It would mean we'd need to add even more "don't have sex with each other" verbiage into the bylaws 19:50 <@Shadow404> ok, thats what i wanted to know 19:50 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: oh god 19:51 <@Shadow404> we need an updated sex chart 19:51 <@benthemeek> She doesnt have a driver's license and knows everyone in the tech ocmmunity here in nashville so they go around together for different groups to recruit for phreaknic 19:51 <@Shadow404> just so everyone is on a level playing field 19:51 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: its a moot point, because it does 'appear' that way, but we all know it isn't likely 19:51 < aestetix> Shadow404: no 19:51 < aestetix> god no 19:51 <@Shadow404> yes, god yes 19:51 < RangerZ1> shush my children 19:51 <@Dagmar> Whether they are or they aren't doesn't even really rate on the scale of things that matter 19:51 <@Dagmar> The problem we have now is perfectly attributable to things other than that 19:51 <@benthemeek> hmm 19:52 <@Dagmar> ...and all solutions to those problems would be the same regardless 19:52 <@benthemeek> I was going to say if they were they would be breaking bylaws (which are already broken) but I forgot she isnt an officer 19:52 <@Shadow404> wilpig: whats the url for the thing i was looking up and got the 404 on? 19:52 < aestetix> benthemeek: I don't think technologists should make legal documents. The same way you don't want a lawyer running your network :p 19:52 <@Shadow404> or do u even have the sex chart jpg anymore? 19:52 <@benthemeek> aestetix: ++1 19:52 <@wilpig> Shadow404: pretty sure it was your penis 19:52 <@wilpig> and I fully expected aestetix to say that 19:53 <@Dagmar> Worrying about it is like worrying about whether or not it's an oil fire or an electrical fire when you have a CO2 extinguisher that works fine no matter what 19:53 <@Shadow404> lawl 19:53 < aestetix> Networks are enough of a mess with experienced engineers, let alone lawyers coming in and fucking it up 19:53 < aestetix> wilpig: it's not a criticism, I'm just saying it's a waste of time 19:53 <@benthemeek> Well I am going to stick to being pollyanna for now and beleive that everything will work out and we will have a great con and reoganizing of the bylaws later and then a even better con next year * crosses fingers * 19:54 < RangerZ1> http://rancom.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/telephone/ 19:55 < aestetix> Shadow404: you should make a butt play sex chart 19:55 < RangerZ1> sex.de already has it 19:55 <@Shadow404> that would only be two gals 19:55 < aestetix> like have a dildo and chart how many assholes it has been in 19:56 <@benthemeek> and for what its worth if amber runs for officer and presents the personality that she does with hackforchange, civichacking etc. I would vote for her. *shrugs* despite the online rants... 19:56 <@Shadow404> er, 2.5 gals 19:56 < aestetix> 2.5 19:56 <@Shadow404> depends on your definition 19:56 < aestetix> I don't want to know who is 0.5 19:56 < aestetix> or what 19:56 <@Shadow404> dildo or fingers 19:56 < aestetix> how many fingers? 19:57 * Shadow404 shakes head at aestetix 19:57 <@Shadow404> shush little boy 19:57 < aestetix> Shadow404: so I still want to know how you have 0.5 women 19:58 < RangerZ1> aestetix: if you need your prostrate teased that badly, I'm sure Shadow404 can find someone to help you 19:58 < RangerZ1> but move it to PMs 19:58 <@Shadow404> prostate......not prostrate 19:59 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: thats why i should shush 19:59 <@Shadow404> anywho....moving on 19:59 < aestetix> hold on now 19:59 < aestetix> what is 0.5 women 19:59 < aestetix> is that like a dog? or a trans-woman? 19:59 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: I will give you this warning once... she has a nice 'forward face' when in public for certain public events/etc... but she's a stick of dynamite with a 1/2" fuse, if she goes off, it'll hurt PN/nashville 2600 more than any good she could do. I'm fine with allowing her to continue to be a member, but an officer is risky 19:59 < aestetix> or a midget? 19:59 <@Shadow404> who all is attending pn this year? 20:00 < RangerZ1> benthemeek and maybe 1 other person from the room 20:00 < aestetix> Or did you only get one knuckle in and don't want to count that as a full penetration? 20:00 < RangerZ1> b/c even aestetix isn't, are you? 20:00 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I doubt I can make it this year. It has been hell for me, unrelated to PN 20:00 < RangerZ1> yeah, thats what I thought you said 20:01 < aestetix> I'll put it this way 20:01 <@benthemeek> I will attend what ever con is in nashville 20:01 < aestetix> The year started with one of my friends committing suicide and has not gotten much better 20:01 <@benthemeek> I am con agnostic 20:02 <@benthemeek> but of course phreaknic is the one I will choose if there is a scheduling conflict. 20:03 < aestetix> benthemeek: what would it conflict with? 20:03 <@benthemeek> skydogcon 20:03 -!- sync350 [~sync@adsl-98-66-187-87.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 20:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 20:03 < aestetix> I thought that happened already 20:03 <@benthemeek> they were a weekend apart this time around 20:03 < aestetix> oh 20:03 <@Dagmar> lol 20:03 <@Shadow404> i think on purpose 20:03 <@benthemeek> nah he announced first 20:03 <@benthemeek> dru wants it back on halloween to get back to the roots 20:04 <@wilpig> an get rid of the people that have been supporting it for the last decade 20:04 <@wilpig> all those people that grew up and started having families 20:04 <@Shadow404> or careers 20:04 <@benthemeek> Tom will be there others with families will 20:04 <@Shadow404> fuck kids 20:04 <@benthemeek> I really dont care all that much about halloween 20:04 <@benthemeek> but thats my religous upbringing. 20:05 <@benthemeek> I have no problem not taking my kids around :P 20:05 <@Shadow404> i rather not see offspring of my ex 20:05 <@benthemeek> I would actually like to see some kids stuff at phreaknic someday 20:05 <@Shadow404> just saying 20:05 <@benthemeek> python stuff maybe 20:05 <@benthemeek> but I dont know if that will ever happen 20:05 <@Shadow404> something akward about that 20:06 <@benthemeek> Well as a parent it would be cool to expose my kids to the fun part of hacking 20:06 < aestetix> benthemeek: regarding "kids" stuff I like Mitch Altman's approach 20:06 < aestetix> He doesn't care who you are, he'll teach you 20:06 <@benthemeek> Alot of kids go to defcon I understand 20:06 < aestetix> And treats you like an adult. Kids love him, they get to put together his kits, etc 20:06 <@wilpig> goto a con and learn about computers or go out dressed up and get shitloads of candy... 20:06 <@wilpig> as a kid... i'd be all in on teh candy 20:07 < aestetix> adult as in assume you're competent enough to ask questions when you need help, etc 20:07 < aestetix> not adult as in midnight with Shadow404 20:07 <@Shadow404> lawl 20:08 <@benthemeek> Well the original motto or whatever of the nashville 2600 is about education 20:08 <@benthemeek> It would be cool to do some of that 20:08 < aestetix> benthemeek: the tv-b-gone kits are great for that 20:11 <@benthemeek> oh I wanted to say thankyou Dagmar and others who offered condolences on facebook when my mother-in-law died. For what its worth I was touched 20:12 < aestetix> benthemeek: oh wow was that recent? I'm sorry to hear it. 20:12 <@benthemeek> I was on my way to the 2600 meeting when priscilla called me to tell me she had found her dead so life went on hold for a couple weeks 20:13 <@benthemeek> yeah the beginning of october. She has lived with us for 3 years. She was deaf and had cerebal palsy but nothing life threatening so it all came as a shock 20:37 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:38 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:53 <@wilpig> I am confused. https://chaturbate.com/sweetdesire12/ oddly sfw right now 20:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chat with Sweetdesire12 in a Live Adult Video Chat Room Now (at chaturbate.com) 20:59 <@Shadow404> im confused, why did you find this page/ 20:59 <@Shadow404> ? 21:01 <@wilpig> I find random 21:02 <@Shadow404> ..... 21:02 <@Shadow404> who am i to judge 21:02 <@wilpig> sugar daddy or just actual daddy 21:08 <@Shadow404> huh? 21:08 <@Shadow404> i didnt actually click the link, i went on description alone 21:10 <@wilpig> then you didn't see the wtf part 21:11 <@Shadow404> mind explaining? 21:17 <@Dickie> Thanks for announcing your masturbation sessions 21:17 <@Dickie> I'll be sure to follow in kind 21:20 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: My condolences to you and your family. 21:21 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, 4 seed boxes, all GigE, in SFO/ORD/NYC/ORY, seeding the CentOS-6.6 release. 21:21 <@Bahhumbug> I think my work is done for the night. 21:27 <@Shadow404> Dickie: already on it from this end 21:37 <@Bahhumbug> https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Shellshock+via+SMTP/18879 21:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - Shellshock via SMTP (at isc.sans.edu) 21:37 <@Bahhumbug> I'm http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/28/shellshocked_via_email_smtp_attacks_on_the_rise/ 21:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shellshock over SMTP attacks mean you can now ignore your email • The Register (at www.theregister.co.uk) 21:37 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not understanding the actual vector at play here. 22:05 < RangerZ> are SMTP headers being _parsed and ran_ somehow? 22:08 < RangerZ> unless they are compromising the SMTP(d) and then using that to auto-run perl scripts of a certain name ? 22:14 <@Bahhumbug> The only way I see this viable is procmail/sieve/etc scripts or _maybe_ some of the filter hooks that mutt uses. 22:15 <@wilpig> time for bed. night bitches 22:32 <@oddball> So... planning on dressing up as death for halloween. Told Nanienko that I already have the cloak, and would pick up the makeup. She responded that I don't need any. 22:36 <@Bahhumbug> Heh 22:43 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 22:44 < Synx|hm> Who here runs pfSense? 22:55 <@ShadowHntr> i will be shortly 22:55 <@ShadowHntr> but not this minute --- Log closed Tue Oct 28 00:00:15 2014