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01:57 <@Dagmar> Sheesh
01:57 <@Dagmar> All that hassle.
01:57 <@Dagmar> The new mainboard is very likely DoA because I can't really see it requiring a firmware update to handle a two-year-old CPU
01:58 <@Dagmar> There was a lot of dust pooled up on some tiny components right next to the CPU, so removing that *might* help.
01:58 <@Dagmar> I'll see if this thing has done another spontaneous reboot before morning.
02:00 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: It happens because the company running the Children's Hospital only cares about how things look.  They don't particularly care as to whether their infrastructure can be reliably or genuinely helpful towards that goal.
02:00 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, hackers wouldn't have been able to *touch* anything even remotely relevant to patient care inside that hospital network.
02:01 <@Dagmar> Also I got at least 35 legit streetpass hits at GMX
02:01 <@Dagmar> If chaos doesn't reign supreme tomorrow I'll take the pi with me
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02:02 <@Dagmar> ...and my netbook, and see what I can't make happen onsite.
02:02 <@Dagmar> Assuming I don't have to drive up from Franklin back to Nashville and then down to Frankin again like I did this evening.
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02:41 < aestetix> hi
03:13 < aestetix> wow
03:13 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/mh1I7LM.png
03:13 < aestetix> such a cute fox
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03:48 < aestetix> god I hate babies
04:13 <@Dickie> adults are waaaaaaaaay worse
04:15 <@Dickie> Personally, my contempt lies with teenagers
04:59 < aestetix> http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5214_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312281130_-_the_gospel_of_irma_-_jaap-henk_hoepman.html
05:06 < aestetix> oh g
05:06 < aestetix> god
05:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: http://nonwhiteheterosexualmalelicense.org/
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11:32 < RangerZ1> aestetix: before I watch this... my guess is that each token of data is encrypted on its own, and shared on demand
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11:45 < RangerZ1> aestetix: jesus christ, this is so fucking obvious
11:50 < RangerZ1> also.. .nym is a korean last name, so if you google scholar search for it... good luck
11:57 < RangerZ1> ok... so they weren't really doing work with the theory, just implementing it, and saying they are fastest
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13:30 < RangerZ> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/142464853/hendo-hoverboards-worlds-first-real-hoverboard
13:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hendo Hoverboards - World's first REAL hoverboard by Hendo Hover Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
13:31 < RangerZ> so they figured out how to get magnets to repulse off of non-magnetic metal apparently
13:40 < aestetix> http://www.alternet.org/department-homeland-security-executes-panty-raid-kansas-city
14:06 < aestetix> god I hate it when women freak out
14:12 < RangerZ> s/women/people
14:20 <@Bahhumbug> Why such a narrow focus?  "I hate people" works just fine.
14:21 <@NotLarry> Quick test, without google, anyone in here ever heard of the band Cream?
14:21 <@Bahhumbug> If hey haven't they should eat a bullet.
14:22 <@Bahhumbug> ANd yes, Jack Bruce died :/
14:23 < aestetix> who is Jack Bruce?
14:24 < aestetix> RangerZ1: it seems like women are more prone to freak out
14:25 < RangerZ> s/to freak out/to vocalize it
14:26 < aestetix> And men don't burst into tears at the slightest thing
14:26 < RangerZ> women, on average, are more communication focused, and generally _better_ at expressing emotions/etc
14:26 < RangerZ> so they voice it
14:26 < RangerZ> and let their meotions come to the front
14:26 < aestetix> where we all have to deal with them
14:27 < RangerZ> men crying is a social norm in most of the west where it is shamed
14:27 < RangerZ> but not in some regions, (Parts of italy I believe)
14:27 < RangerZ> its just that women aren't shamed into thinking they are 'less of women' if they cry
14:28 < aestetix> Men don't cry to get their way
14:28 < RangerZ> gay men do, I've seen it
14:28 < RangerZ> my cousin is as flamer as they come, and i've seen him do it
14:28 < RangerZ> and corydon does it in different ways too, just rage quit aftre people don't take his bs
14:29 < aestetix> One of the main points of controlling your emotions is to not bleed it all over others
14:29 < RangerZ> thats your opinion
14:30 < aestetix> I don't want it dumped on me. So why should I dump it on someone else?
14:30 < RangerZ> I tend to personally agree, but there is nothing that says it has to be that way, that I'm aware of
14:30 < aestetix> That logic word comes up again.
14:30 < RangerZ> its not logic, its "the difference between men and women"
14:31 < RangerZ> when someone tells you of a problem, do you assume they want your help with it?
14:31 < RangerZ> generally I'm going to say yes.
14:31 < aestetix> No.
14:31 < aestetix> They might just want to vent.
14:32 < RangerZ> ok, then whats the problem?
14:32 < RangerZ> just let them vent
14:32 < aestetix> right
14:32 < aestetix> Well maybe I'm reading a book and want to keep reading it, not listen to their shit
14:35 < RangerZ> perhaps my quotations on 'difference between..' was a bit much, but that was my broad understanding of what "the understanding" of how the sexs communicated
14:35 < RangerZ> FFS I can't think of the book I read that from now... but w/e
14:35 < RangerZ> but anyways
14:36 < RangerZ> well then you should value your friend over your book ;)
14:36 < RangerZ> lol
14:38 < aestetix> ok so unrelated question
14:39 < aestetix> can you use tcpdump to capture ssl packets and decrypt them if you have the ssl key
14:39 < RangerZ> yes
14:39 < RangerZ> well
14:39 < RangerZ> might not be tcpdump
14:39 < RangerZ> but there are programs to do that
14:39 < RangerZ> let me look '
14:41 < RangerZ> http://segfault.in/2010/11/decrypt-https-traffic-using-wireshark-and-key-file/ looks like wireshark will do it for you along with 'ssldump'
14:41 < aestetix> hmm
14:41 < RangerZ> I've done it before... just don't remember the program I used...
14:41 < RangerZ> it was command line
14:42 < aestetix> ssldump might be what I want
14:42 < aestetix> basically I want to view some network traffic and verify that a certain header is present
14:42 < RangerZ> tcpdump should be able to do that
14:43 < RangerZ> as long as its the before-encryption headers
14:43 < RangerZ> but ssldump looks to have nice options for just that though too
14:43 < aestetix> yeah looks like it
14:45 < aestetix> thanks, this is perfect
14:47 < RangerZ> I did it for my network security class, but honestly I phoned in most of that class
14:47 < RangerZ> I was like... ohh this isn't anything new to me... whatever
14:47 < RangerZ> lol
14:48 < RangerZ> we had to implmement sum SSL functions, and then verify that they were working right (was probably ssldump we used)
14:48 < RangerZ> I did it in like 30min, and was like... 'alright... time to sleep'
14:48 < RangerZ> lol
14:48 < RangerZ> (that was when I had mono)
15:06 < RangerZ> aestetix: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/24/2052218/verizon-injects-unique-ids-into-http-traffic
15:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Verizon Injects Unique IDs Into HTTP Traffic - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
15:07 < RangerZ> ISP super-cookies
15:07 < RangerZ> fuck that
15:10 < aestetix> uhhhh
15:10 < aestetix> who does that benefit besides big websites?
15:11 < RangerZ> verizon
15:11 < RangerZ> duh
15:12 < aestetix> ok fuck yes
15:12 < aestetix> I just verified that the header I was looking for is in fact included
15:13 < RangerZ> the verizon thing is so verizon itself can sell your data to sites that want to know it
15:15 < RangerZ> how much would a company pay to be notified when a user is going to be near their store
15:15 < aestetix> oh interesting
15:15 < aestetix> I read verizon and was thinking comcast
15:15 <@Bahhumbug> Point browser to proxy; use proxy; go on with life.
15:15 < RangerZ> if verizon notifies a website "this person is going to be near your store in 20min"
15:16 < aestetix> I do not have a smartphone, so I keep forgetting that folks use data on their cellphones
15:16 < RangerZ> I don't use my protable pc as a phone
15:16 < RangerZ> only in rare emergencies
15:16 <@Dagmar> The real question is how much would a company pay to keep me away after I'm angry about being spammed because I *might* be near their store soon
15:16 < RangerZ> portable*
15:18 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: it's not just browser stuff
15:18 < aestetix> I imagine that any app that uses an API gets hit too
15:42 < RangerZ> API usage should be encrypted
15:42 < RangerZ> almost never is
15:42 < RangerZ> but 'ehh'
15:43 < RangerZ> http://io9.com/evil-artist-builds-nightmare-typewriter-in-comic-sans-1649719004
15:43 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
15:43 < aestetix> "should be"
15:43 < RangerZ> god I love fucking with "fonties"
15:43 < aestetix> RangerZ: you know one of the issues with HSTS is that so many third parties don't use ssl
15:44 < RangerZ> no
15:44 < RangerZ> i honeslty don't know much about HSTS
15:44 < aestetix> it forces SSL
15:44 < aestetix> which gets annoying because it does not allow you to make exceptions in the browser
15:44 < RangerZ> personally I like google's idea
15:45 < RangerZ> use 52bit DES for all web traffic not matter what
15:45 < RangerZ> make it computationally hard to decrypt everything
15:45 < RangerZ> basically prevents things like verizon's idea
15:46 < RangerZ> and its not really that difficult or time consuming to setup a DES session
15:46 < RangerZ> plus then, in the future you can just raise the min. security levels
15:46 < RangerZ> b/c thats a lot of medium size companies issue with encryption all the time... the hardware required to serve it
15:52 < RangerZ> and DES specialized NIC boards are fuck as cheap to manf./buy
15:53 < RangerZ> we might actually be the point where 128 bit RSA based SSL might be possible
15:53 < RangerZ> though... I'd rather use a feistel based cipher... instead of AES... b/c of the underlying math issues with AES
16:03 < aestetix> oh wow
16:03 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/a/gOZEm
16:03 < aestetix> these tattoos are amazing
16:06 < aestetix> and this is just disgusting: http://i.imgur.com/oV4Ovqn.jpg
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16:09 < aestetix> wow this is even more disgusting. Compounded by the fact that I hate babies: http://i.imgur.com/jCt6yiD.jpg
16:15 < RangerZ> http://build.slashdot.org/story/14/10/24/1832257/a-low-cost-open-source-geiger-counter-video jesus... my friend showed this off at a linux conf. a few years ago
16:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Low Cost, Open Source Geiger Counter (Video) - Slashdot (at build.slashdot.org)
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16:26 < aestetix> http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html
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16:48 <@Dickie> I've got a big plastic storage container which has oil and dirt in it. I've tried soapy water, simple green, and baking soda. Anyone know a better way to get that stuff out?
16:57 < RangerZ> what kind of oil?
16:57 < RangerZ> motor oil?
16:58 < RangerZ> also, did you try boiling hot soapy water?
16:58 < RangerZ> b/c the soap isn't what actually 'cleans' anything
16:58 < RangerZ> it is the soap breaking the surface tension of the water, allowing the water to work
16:59 < RangerZ> hot water works much better on breaking up oil, also preasureized water
17:00 < RangerZ> and then the residue, I'd try kitty litter, to absorb the final bits of it
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17:10 <@Dagmar> dafuq
17:10 <@Dagmar> NewEgg's search engine appears to have undergone a lobotomy
17:11 <@Dagmar> It's not letting me search by socket type today for some reason
17:20 <@Dagmar> That's fairly freaking useless.
17:27 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling this may be a load issue.
17:27 <@Dagmar> Trying to submit feedback on their site is going nowhere fast.
17:41 <@Dickie> RangerZ: I'll try super hot soapy water. It's motor oil and probably transmission fluid and dirt
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18:37 < aestetix> penis
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18:48 <@Dagmar> Degreaser.
18:50 <@Dagmar> Also keep in mind that if the container is plastic, "like dissolves like", which is the next door neighbor of "like absorbs like".
18:51 <@Dagmar> Plastics, being a rather close cousin to oil, can soak up oil.
18:51 <@Dickie> Tried degreaser
18:51 <@Dagmar> If the oil has been in there awhile, you'll be able to get the thing clean, but it'll take time and sunlight to make it *not* be slimy
18:51 <@Dickie> Trying to get something to lift it out, yeah
18:51 <@Dickie> It's been in there literally years
18:52 <@Dickie> Probably 8 years
18:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah you're pretty much going to have to leave it in the sun
18:52 <@Dickie> Great time of year for that
18:52 <@Dagmar> There's at least some sun out
18:52 <@Dagmar> Man this hardware shit is annoying
18:52 <@wilpig> what now?
18:52 <@Dagmar> So, while swapping the motherboard around _repeatedly_ yesterday, I wound up actually using a static cling brush to get all the dust and shit off the old motherboard
18:53 <@Dagmar> Yes, I know that's dangerous
18:53 <@Dagmar> There were the usual rice-grain sized bits on the board right next to the FM2 socket, completely buried in dust.
18:53 <@Dagmar> The board is now apparently stable under Linux.
18:53 <@Dagmar> ...but not Windows...
18:54 <@wilpig> sure it isn't driver related, partially?
18:54 <@wilpig> or is it just a piece of hardware that windows is using that linxu isn't?
18:54 <@Dagmar> Oh I traded one problem for another
18:54 <@Dagmar> It was crashing in the goddamn UEFI menus before.
18:54 <@Dagmar> At the LILO prompt.
18:54 <@Dagmar> The Windows driver is now *damaged*
18:54 <@Dagmar> yay
18:55 <@Dagmar> I try to update it normally, and the machine reboots.
18:55 <@Dagmar> lol
18:55 <@Dagmar> I just downloaded it under Linux so I can actually have it handy, and try to get into Windows and switch to a safe driver for a few minutes while I install an updated and undamaged driver.
18:55 <@Dagmar> NewEgg not letting me search by socket type and number of RAM sockets is really unpleasant timing tho
18:57 <@wilpig> what socket you looking for and number of dimm slots?  they have their site split up geographically now and i might hit a different instance that isn't gimped
18:58 <@Dagmar> I'm looking for 4 slots and an FM2+ socket
18:58 <@Dagmar> ...and ASUS
18:59 <@Dagmar> With any luck whatever load restriction they have in place will be over with by tomorrow, or the broken windows driver issue (I watched the motherfucker running chkdsk and discarding my shit) will be the last tribulation i have to deal with
19:00 <@Dagmar> If their functionality is geographically limited, I should damn well be hitting an instance allowing those searches but I'm going to try logging in later if it's still being lame
19:00 <@wilpig> http://tinyurl.com/mtuv99o
19:00 < aestetix> fucking rackspace
19:00 <@Dagmar> If there's any intelligence in that site at all, it'll let me search all I want since I buy a whole PC from them every year a piece at a time
19:01 < aestetix> fucking things working on the api not working on the web interface
19:02 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: That A55BM-PLUS board is the one that was DOA
19:02 <@wilpig> aestetix: you can get two web instances out of sync with each other and an api
19:03 < aestetix> hahah
19:03 < aestetix> I just sent a very angry email to rackspace
19:03 < aestetix> I'm so sick of their api breaking
19:21 < aestetix> wtf
19:21 < aestetix> http://wtvr.com/2014/10/25/crews-arrive-to-unusual-parking-job-in-henrico-kroger/
19:21 < aestetix> how does this happen
19:21 < aestetix> that like... takes effort
19:29 <@oddball> Yeah... entirely too sore/tired to go to GMX tonight.
19:31 <@Dagmar> I expected to see you last nght
19:31 <@oddball> Was testing for my 3rd degree black belt this morning.  Figured I needed to get a good night's sleep.
19:31 <@oddball> Suprised that you're not down there right now.
19:32 <@Dagmar> Insomnia
19:32 <@Dagmar> ...and now I have a thing to do with my brother that's going to keep me until like 11pm
19:32 <@oddball> ah
19:33 < RangerZ> i had meant to go...
19:33 < RangerZ> then I got my prelim schedule...
19:33 < RangerZ> so busy
19:33 <@oddball> heh
19:35 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QeCzzfYHhw U of NC
19:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: College Athletes Ace “Phantom" Classes In “Shadow” Curriculums - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:35 <@Dagmar> lol @ this guy on slashdot needing an IP66 machine that can run a GTX970
19:35 < RangerZ> surprise surprise
19:35 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I saw that too
19:35 <@Dagmar> The answer is "move the fucking PC somewhere safer"
19:36 < RangerZ> or the 100ft long fiber USB
19:36 < RangerZ> to carry video/mouse/keyboard
19:36 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, he's just plain going to need to mod the fucking GTX970 for water cooling
19:36 < RangerZ> nah
19:36 <@wilpig> loving the excuse from skydick on why his shit wasn't done.  http://www.skydogcon.com/SDC4/
19:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: SkyDogCon 2014 News! - SkyDogCon 2014 (at www.skydogcon.com)
19:36 < RangerZ> even water cooling needs air cooling
19:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah but at least the water cooling radiator won't give a fuck
19:36 < RangerZ> radiator needs cooled
19:36 <@Dagmar> THAT will be ip66 by virtue of it has to be
19:37 < RangerZ> hmm...
19:37 <@Dagmar> His best bet on a budget is to just mount the entire thing inside a dorm fridge with a box of sodium silica
19:37 < RangerZ> could do an oil build
19:37 < RangerZ> and then just put that in a safe
19:37 < RangerZ> lol
19:38 <@Dagmar> ..but seriously, with all that bullshit, he's way better off just moving the thing somewhere not hostile to electronic life
19:38 < RangerZ> NSA rules out of of the USA then
19:38 < RangerZ> hehe
19:38 < RangerZ> s/of of/of
19:44 < RangerZ> oddball: how'd the test go?
19:44 < RangerZ> did you get black marks?
19:44 < RangerZ> (bad pun is bad, I know)
19:44 <@oddball> I'm pretty sore
19:44 <@oddball> Did fairly well.  Passed.
19:45 < RangerZ> congrats
19:45 <@oddball> Thanks.
19:45 <@oddball> I'm also pretty damned proud of Naienko.  She got her black belt today.
19:45 < RangerZ> thats cool
19:45 <@wilpig> that's good, I was worried about how she was gonna keep her pants from falling down without it
19:46 < RangerZ> aestetix: "The HSTS specification was published as RFC 6797 on 19 November 2012 after being approved on 2 October 2012 by the IESG for publication" from wiki .... whats fucking wrong with you, thinking that ANYTHING passed as an RFC would be implementable with any real chance of working widely within less than 5 years of it being approved
19:46 <@oddball> Took a pretty nasty hit while sparring (I... uh... did a turn sidekick that landed on her throat), got up after a few seconds and kept going.
19:46 < RangerZ> ouch
19:47 <@oddball> Yeah.
19:47 < RangerZ> but thats good, now she can call the cops for abuse
19:47 < RangerZ> i mean...
19:47 < RangerZ> lol
19:47 <@oddball> heh
19:47 <@wilpig> that's a hard injury to claim was an accident
19:47 <@oddball> I do have witnesses. :p
19:48 < RangerZ> I swear your honor I just meant to kill the fly on her cheek
19:48 < RangerZ> I just missed
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20:06 <@wilpig> the doctor trying to identify a single human child.  lol
20:13 <@wilpig> http://explosm.net/comics/3722/
20:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3722 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
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20:28 <@wilpig> haha. my taco got here earlier and I didn't even realize it
20:42 < RangerZ1> pink or gtfo
20:43 < aestetix> RangerZ: lol
20:44 < aestetix> RangerZ: the thing is, a number of places assume it works perfectly now
20:52 < RangerZ1> lol, yeah i know
20:53 < RangerZ1> in general RFC = Revolutionary Future Capability
20:53 < RangerZ1> lol
20:53 < aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/10/24/teacher-spends-two-days-as-a-student-and-is-shocked-at-what-she-learned/?tid=sm_fb
20:59 < RangerZ1> thats the problem, those classes are fucking long
21:00 < RangerZ1> 4 classes a day
21:00 < RangerZ1> obviously you'd need a break in the middle
21:01 < RangerZ1> my HS had 8 periods, because of that
21:01 < RangerZ1> maybe 7... i honestly forget
21:04 < aestetix> RangerZ: what do you think would happen if education was available to everyone (k-12) but was optional?
21:05 < RangerZ1> ohh it would be abused
21:05 < aestetix> abused?
21:05 < RangerZ1> robber barons in the worst sense of the term
21:05 < RangerZ1> "here put your child to work"
21:05 < RangerZ1> b/c a parent can make a child work on a "farm" at any age
21:06 < aestetix> So you think children are better off in schools than in their parents hands?
21:06 < RangerZ1> in general, yes
21:06 < aestetix> intresting
21:06 < aestetix> what makes you say that?
21:06 < RangerZ1> most people can't teach
21:06 < RangerZ1> thats why nobles paid teachers
21:06 < aestetix> but tht's one on one
21:06 < aestetix> not the shit we have now
21:07 < RangerZ1> no, there were private schools for nobles to go to
21:07 < RangerZ1> at least since the middle ages
21:07 < RangerZ1> (not europe)
21:07 < RangerZ1> but india/middle east
21:08 < RangerZ1> the "shit" we have now is b/c we've allowed politics to invade
21:08 < RangerZ1> and money
21:09 < RangerZ1> our public schools are being gutted by "giving choice to parents"
21:09 < RangerZ1> aka... charter schools
21:10 < RangerZ1> if a charter school was only given each year the amount of money that the public school  receives per student per year FOR THAT YEAR, they would go bankrupt
21:10 < RangerZ1> public schools are given something like 4k/student on average
21:10 < RangerZ1> worst case
21:10 < RangerZ1> now... they get 0
21:11 < RangerZ1> so the public school isn't able to take that 4k, and spread it around to both yearly costs, and investment costs
21:11 < RangerZ1> give charter schools only the 'yearly' cost of taking a school and not the whole 100% , and public schools wouldn't be dying as fast as they are now
21:11 < RangerZ1> BUT
21:12 < RangerZ1> thats only if we fix funding of schools
21:12 < RangerZ1> b/c right now, schools are funded by property taxes
21:12 < RangerZ1> even in Ohio which has a state constitutional amendment banning it
21:12 < RangerZ1> it happens by calling it a 'levy' and not a 'tax'
21:13 < RangerZ1> "a 5 year 4mil school levy"
21:13 < RangerZ1> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fterms%2Fm%2Fmill-levy.asp&ei=tkpMVOr5As3HgwT_u4KYDA&usg=AFQjCNEKxiStJjUjJGDIeFL6uBWeu7CH2g&sig2=5KZSUobvyaaljuzZbANK_g&bvm=bv.77880786,d.eXY
21:13 < RangerZ1> http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mill-levy.asp
21:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mill Levy Definition | Investopedia (at www.investopedia.com)
21:13 < RangerZ1> much shorter version
21:14 < RangerZ1> mill*
21:14 <@oddball> The idea of "it's not a tax, it's a levy" is hysterical.
21:15 < RangerZ1> i only realized lately what kinds of inequality that leads to
21:15 < RangerZ1> i grew up thinking (b/c I realized that many of my civics teachers were probably pretty conservative) that it was RIGHT to want to move to a better neighborhood/city so as to get your child a good education
21:16 < RangerZ1> not that "every child should get a good education no matter where they live"
21:16 < RangerZ1> education is too important to funded/thought of that way
21:18 < RangerZ1> after we have 40~50 years of equalized education, we could get rid of all racial stuff in the forms of 'affirmative action'
21:18 < RangerZ1> b/c youngstown is the perfect example of that, everyone moved out of the city was up to 175k at one point, now down to 62k, and moved to the suburbs
21:19 < RangerZ1> the only people left in the city are the poor (and mostly black) who couldn't afford to move over the past 45 years
21:19 < RangerZ1> same with oddball's early hunting grounds
21:19 < RangerZ1> lol
21:20 < aestetix> you mean like how Obama kept saying Obamacare wasn't a tax until the supreme court said it was and he was like "ok"
21:20 < RangerZ1> nah, they always said it was a tax
21:20 < RangerZ1> they just never wanted to talk about it
21:21 < RangerZ1> b/c the way it was written is that its an income tax, that you get a credit for, by having insurance
21:21 < RangerZ1> lol
21:22 < RangerZ1> but youngstown was/is literally the worst school district in the state, surrounded by 4 of the top 10 and the #1
21:22 < RangerZ1> all b/c of funding
21:23 < RangerZ1> in boardman, we had several computer labs in the school (4 that I can think of), and a computer in every single room, in 1998 or so
21:23 < RangerZ1> sorry 5, forgot the 4 computers in the drafting room with CAD on them
21:24 < RangerZ1> youngstown couldn't even afford its own fucking football equipment/stadium, they had them donated to them by Youngstown _State University_
21:24 <@oddball> RangerZ1: Bullshit.  Obama swore up and down that it wasn't a tax... and then was told by SCOTUS "ok... explain to me how it isn't?"
21:25 < RangerZ1> i don't know about that, b/c the government's argument was that it was legal under the taxation ability
21:25 < RangerZ1> perhaps to the public, sure
21:26 < RangerZ1> but no one should believe what a politician says while talking in public to a reporter , etc
21:26 < RangerZ1> lol
21:26 < RangerZ1> the taxation was the government's fallback argument
21:26 < RangerZ1> i can't remember what the first one was
21:27 < RangerZ1> but thats what the SCOTUS decided was enough to give it an OK (which was a political decision too)
21:29 < RangerZ1> "regulatory power" thats it
21:29 < RangerZ1> they said it wasn't ok for that, but alright for taxation
21:29 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/524878404756467712
21:30 < RangerZ1> aestetix: oregon is voting to legalize pot
21:30 < aestetix> in unrealted news
21:31 < aestetix> we had a little bit of rain today
21:31 < RangerZ1> and its senator said he would vote for it
21:31 < aestetix> we might get another hour of rain in another week
21:31 < RangerZ1> first time a sitting US senator has said that
21:31 < RangerZ1> did people cry?
21:31 < RangerZ1> to add to the water totals? LOL
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