--- Log opened Mon Oct 20 00:00:06 2014
00:10 < RangerZ> beretta, best marketing person ever in guns, 'ehh' guns themselves
00:10 < RangerZ> sorry, nvm, I was thinking Glock
00:11 < RangerZ> something just sits wrong with me when you don't even _have_ a safety on a gun
00:13 < tard> the safety is on the trigger... =)
00:13 < tard> Halfway joking, they do have a safety on the trigger....if you could call it that
00:18 < RangerZ> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/10/20/003257/if-youre-connected-apple-collects-your-data
00:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: If You're Connected, Apple Collects Your Data - Slashdot (at apple.slashdot.org)
00:18 < RangerZ> wow.... thats pretty ballsy
00:18 < RangerZ> b/c no one checks their data usage or wifi or anything
00:20 < tard> nice
00:34 < RangerZ> tard: I'm never replying to one of your emails
00:34 < RangerZ> re: tard, is just not right...
00:34 < tard> haha now thats funny
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00:52 < RangerZ1> ohh fuck... I didn't realize Yosemite, was OSX
00:52 < RangerZ1> thats even worse than the iphone
00:52 < RangerZ1> at least the iphone phoning home I understand (thats how push notifications actually work, via an always open TCP socket)
00:53 < tard> yeah I mean its pretty hard to not track a phone
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01:33 < RangerZ1> Dickie: congrats http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29661446 m.dicki
01:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: BBC News - Ancient Scottish fish first to have sex (at www.bbc.com)
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02:53 < aestetix> Hmm
02:53 < aestetix> My cat obviously wants to hunt.
02:53 < aestetix> Would it be unethical to go buy some mice and let it have fun?
03:11 < RangerZ1> no
03:11 < RangerZ1> but the mess might be bad
03:11 < RangerZ1> it might only wound it, and it might leave a trail through out the house/etc
03:11 < RangerZ1> let alone the 'gift' the cat might bring to you when its done
03:12 < RangerZ1> we got them from strays, bringing birds/etc to us
03:12 < RangerZ1> "because they 'loved' us"....
04:13 < RangerZ1> http://blenheimtech.com/vacuuml.php?id=danby-dwm17wdb-portable-top-load-washing-machine-white-p-14461.html there is no fucking way
04:14 < RangerZ1> thats a 70 washer, and costs several hundred dollars
04:14 < RangerZ1> no way you're getting 3 for 25$ and free shipping
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05:20 < aestetix> turns out taking a 4 hour nap in the afternoon makes sleep harder
05:25 < RangerZ1> http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/20/0142203/3-d-printed-iron-man-prosthetic-hands-now-available-for-kids
05:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: 3-D Printed "Iron Man" Prosthetic Hands Now Available For Kids - Slashdot (at science.slashdot.org)
05:25 < RangerZ1> disney is too fucking smart to try and stop this
05:25 < aestetix> does that mean you can do the stranger now?
05:25 < RangerZ1> the PR would be a nightmare
05:25 < RangerZ1> jesus christ man... not EVERYTHING is sexual
05:26 < RangerZ1> ou are not rule 42
05:26 < RangerZ1> s/ou/you
05:26 < RangerZ1> if you're like this in real life, I'm surprised you haven't been stabbed and replaced with a younger millenial than yourself
05:27 < aestetix> so much anger
05:29 < RangerZ1> not anger, sadness over you lost potential
05:29 < RangerZ1> you might even be worth taking out in public and showing others, if it wasn't for....well... you being the way you are in here
05:29 < RangerZ1> lol
06:10 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ1: You should do what I did.  Ignore the idiot troll.  Life is much better this way,
06:33 < aestetix> heh
06:33 <@Shadow404> Vagina?
06:33 < aestetix> Now that Bahhumbug has me ignored, I can start speaking intelligently.
06:34 < aestetix> actually I'm urious
06:34 < aestetix> curious
06:34 < aestetix> Shadow404: RangerZ1 does anyone around you guys use uptalk?
06:35 <@Shadow404> uptalk?
06:35 < RangerZ1> whats uptalk?
06:36 < aestetix> That annoying trend where people make a statement as if it's a question
06:36 < aestetix> lemme find an example
06:36 < RangerZ1> ohh
06:36 < RangerZ1> nvm
06:36 < RangerZ1> i know what you mean
06:36 <@Shadow404> oh ok
06:36 < aestetix> heh
06:36 < RangerZ1> don't know
06:36 < aestetix> It's just
06:36 <@Shadow404> at my job, no
06:36 <@Shadow404> most are idiots
06:36 < aestetix> It's like these kids talk like they assume they are going to get attacked
06:37 < RangerZ1> I don't work with another native born american at all , other than my advisor, and I barely ever see him
06:37 < RangerZ1> so no
06:37 < RangerZ1> they all have russian/indian/greek accents
06:37 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJo7T8ietaM
06:37 < RangerZ1> let me tell you... "turning the noobs" in greek accent is amusing
06:37 < aestetix> here's a discussion about it
06:37 < RangerZ1> until you realize he meant "turning the knobs"
06:38 < RangerZ1> though... this is the south
06:38 < RangerZ1> a few of the Indians speak better english than most southerners
06:38 < RangerZ1> lol
06:39 < RangerZ1> also, I can't hear "uptalk" in conversation
06:39 <@Shadow404> oh, the word that indians use during any discussion that annoys the hell out of its improper and overutilized usage is "acutally"
06:39 < RangerZ1> actually? *
06:39 <@Shadow404> yep
06:39 <@Shadow404> im barely awake, thx RangerZ1
06:39 < aestetix> ok taht video is useless
06:39 < RangerZ1> np
06:39 <@Shadow404> anywho, gotta get to work, later
06:40 < RangerZ1> b/c I was like... do I just not recognize that word... wtf... oh wait...
06:40 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RjPOUZkLfU this is a bit better
06:41 < RangerZ1> yeah, i've listened to a lot of 'examples'
06:41 < RangerZ1> i only ever was able to tell when fucking kardashian did it
06:41 < aestetix> The thing is
06:41 < aestetix> It's not just a bay area thing
06:41 < aestetix> they were all doing it at harvard
06:41 < RangerZ1> *thanks all the gods for minor hearing loss*
06:42 < RangerZ1> aestetix: of course it isn't
06:42 < aestetix> Well not all
06:42 < RangerZ1> of course it isn't
06:42 < aestetix> I think that it's a generation thing
06:42 < RangerZ1> its a generational thing
06:42 < aestetix> Kids under 25 especially use it
06:42 < RangerZ1> the video even says that
06:42 < RangerZ1> at least the one I watched with the linguests
06:42 < RangerZ1> linguists
06:43 < aestetix> I was out with friends last night
06:43 < aestetix> and a lot of them were doing it.... the younger ones
06:43 < aestetix> it was so fucking annoying
06:43 < RangerZ1> there is a really interesting thing you can do in an in-person meeting, when you walk in, lower the chair as much as possible, until you want to talk, then raise it
06:44 < RangerZ1> to the max height
06:44 < RangerZ1> then say what you want
06:44 < RangerZ1> and then lower it
06:44 < RangerZ1> you're more likely to have your idea accepted
06:44 < RangerZ1> LOL
06:44 < aestetix> heh
06:44 < aestetix> that's kind of like one trick I use
06:44 < aestetix> where I will start saying something, then pause for a couple seconds, and finish
06:44 < aestetix> the pause makes everyone shut up and listen
06:44 < RangerZ1> apparently thats from a social paper that came out in the 70s or 80s
06:45 < aestetix> I have no idea why
06:45 < RangerZ1> dead air
06:45 < RangerZ1> there is a known reason for that
06:45 < RangerZ1> can't think of name
06:45 < RangerZ1> but its how people realize when an AC unit or heater goes off
06:45 < RangerZ1> too much silence
06:45 < RangerZ1> basically 'change detection'
06:45 < RangerZ1> survival instinct
06:46 < aestetix> huh
06:46 < RangerZ1> the human is adapted as a hunter and as victim of attacks (not so much 'hunted' as much more 'just killed', lol)
06:47 < RangerZ1> noticing 'changes' is a great way to detect threats
06:47 < RangerZ1> change from sound to 'no sound' is a change
06:47 < RangerZ1> or vice versa
06:47 <@Bahhumbug> It's actually a form of pattern recognition.
06:47 <@Bahhumbug> The same trick that LE uses under a different guise.
06:48 < aestetix> RangerZ1: do they realize how fucking annoying uptalk is?
06:48 < RangerZ1> no
06:48 < RangerZ1> b/c they don't recognize it in themselves
06:48 < aestetix> It's so painfully obvious
06:48 < aestetix> And I'm pretty sure it wasn't as widespread 5 years ago
06:48 < RangerZ1> speech patterns aren't something you consciously think abou
06:48 < RangerZ1> consciously
06:49 < RangerZ1> nvm, spelled right... *needs sleep*
06:49 < RangerZ1> do you notice your cali accent?
06:49 < RangerZ1> and try to correct it?
06:49 < aestetix> I don't really have one.
06:49 < RangerZ1> yes you do
06:49 < aestetix> What does a cali accent sound like?
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06:51 < RangerZ> 'rubber band', 'pill bug',  'pop' vs 'soda' etc, are all examples of a form of accent, that is regionally based, as is other accent forms such as speech patterns
06:52 < aestetix> I guess I equate a california accent with being sloppy, laid back, and uncaring
06:52 < aestetix> like "I have all the time in the world, blah blah blah"
06:52 < aestetix> also conflict avoidant
06:52 < RangerZ> but the point is, unless you specifically train yourself in the art of speaking with a Cleveland Accent (yes, there is a school in cleveland that almost all national newscastors go to) , then you don't notice it
06:53 < RangerZ> thats personality
06:53 < RangerZ> not speech based
06:53 < aestetix> there is a cleveland accent?
06:53 < RangerZ> its the lack of an accent
06:53 < aestetix> is that what drew carey sounds like? :p
06:53 < RangerZ> nah, he purposely puts a weird twang in his speech when in character
06:53 < RangerZ> more of an akron one
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06:55 < RangerZ> NE Ohio actually pronounces every syllabel, and evenly rythemly prounced
06:56 < RangerZ> http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/midwest/
06:56 <@GateKeeper> 'Title: Do You Speak American . Sea to Shining Sea . American\r Varieties . Midwest | PBS (at www.pbs.org)'
06:56 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/opinion/weinberger-gamergate/index.html
06:58 < RangerZ> mind you... cleveland prounces some syllabels a little weird, but it still the 'closest' you can come to 'universally understood'
06:58 < RangerZ> lol
06:59 < RangerZ> and GG, is already a dead movement and an intersting example of how social uprisings can be killed if they don't have a PR person leading them
06:59 < RangerZ> lol
07:00 < RangerZ> athiesm vs athiesm+ (I didn't know about this, but apparently it was a thing...) OWS, GG
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07:05 < aestetix> what is atheism+?
07:09 < RangerZ1> apparently a pro-feminism/lbgt/non-ablist/race version of athiesm
07:09 < RangerZ1> http://atheismplus.com/
07:09 < aestetix> uhhhhhh
07:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Atheism Plus (at atheismplus.com)
07:09 < aestetix> that's a lot of letters
07:09 < RangerZ1> "Atheism+ is a safe space for people to discuss how religion affects everyone and to apply skepticism and critical thinking to everything, including social issues like sexism, racism, GLBT issues, politics, poverty, and crime. "
07:10 < aestetix> oh god
07:10 < aestetix> I really want to create a user named "Lenny Bruce" there
07:10 < RangerZ1> basically GG, v0
07:10 < RangerZ1> its pretty much died out
07:10 < RangerZ1> watch that long video I sent you the other night
07:10 < aestetix> http://atheismplus.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
07:10 < aestetix> Atheists PLUS we use critical thinking and skepticism."
07:10 < aestetix> uhhhhh
07:11 < RangerZ1> they did make an interesting statement/point
07:12 < RangerZ1> they = not A+, when you start making 'safe places' for 'minorities'... then you start giving them 'back of the bus'-seats
07:12 < RangerZ1> which is not how I had viewed it at all
07:13 < aestetix> uhhhh
07:13 < aestetix> I want to know what they think a safe space is
07:13 < aestetix> because around here most idiots have defined that as a plce where you can't say anything offensive
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07:13 < RangerZ> 1) fuck comcast 2) if there is a person (male or female or other) stalking someone... report it, and they will be dealt with
07:14 < RangerZ> that was in response to.... but thats what crazypants wanted with her 'female only' talk....implying that women with stalkers might not feel 'comfortable' sitting in the same room with their stalker
07:14 < RangerZ> and I don't know what you got of that before D/C
07:16 < aestetix> alll I can say
07:16 < aestetix> is I'm sick of idiots who scream and demand that you listen
07:16 < aestetix> but when you say "ok I'm listening" they have nothing to say
07:16 < RangerZ> leave people under the age of 35 without masters out of this
07:16 < RangerZ> lol
07:17 < aestetix> lol
07:17 < aestetix> as in
07:17 < aestetix> I have had that happen to me
07:17 < RangerZ> actually masters doesn't really help
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07:17 < aestetix> I had someone scream at me to listen, so I pulled her out of the room and said "ok, I'm listening"
07:17 < aestetix> and she said "I've said all I wanted to say"
07:17 < aestetix> which of course was absolutely nothing
07:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:17 < RangerZ> thats different
07:17 < RangerZ> thats them not wanting to repeat themselves
07:17 < RangerZ> which I can understand
07:18  * Dolemite preliminary strike-hugs aestetix
07:18 < aestetix> but she didn't say anything to begin with
07:18 < RangerZ> she thinks she did
07:18 < aestetix> uhhhh
07:18 < RangerZ> and as we all know, its what she thinks that matters (not joking, I'm being serious)
07:18 < aestetix> but she didn't
07:18 < RangerZ> but to your general point, I get what you mean
07:18 < aestetix> and how the fuck am I supposed to know what she thinks if she didn't tell me
07:18 < RangerZ> no no no
07:18 < RangerZ> that she thinks she DID say something
07:19 < aestetix> you know
07:19 < aestetix> if I say I'm listening
07:19 < aestetix> that probably means I didn't hear it
07:19 < RangerZ> but thats not what you said to her I'm guessing
07:19 <@Dolemite> Are you guys still obsessing over Gamergate?
07:19 < RangerZ> no
07:19 < aestetix> RangerZ: ok let's lay this out logically
07:19 <@Dolemite> But it does involve CrazyPants
07:19 < aestetix> I say "ok I am ready to listen"
07:19 < RangerZ> aestetix:
07:20 < RangerZ> thats your first problem
07:20 < RangerZ> using YOUR logic
07:20 < aestetix> does that mean "I heard what you said and want you to repeat it again" or "I didn't hear it and now I'm listening so I can hear it"
07:20 < RangerZ> thats where you have to give up
07:20 < RangerZ> its like dealing with people who voted for john mccain BECAUSE of sarah palin
07:20 < aestetix> ok now I'm confused
07:20 < RangerZ> just give up logic, and just accept that they are doing something illogical to you
07:21 < aestetix> but they keep demanding things that make no sense
07:21 < RangerZ> I honestly didn't understand that there are people in the world who though Sarah Palin would be qualified to be president
07:21 < aestetix> this is like someone demanding me to give them a package I never got
07:21 < RangerZ> i sat there trying to figure it out for a few nights
07:21 < RangerZ> and then had the eurika moment
07:22 < RangerZ> its that you are using YOUR logic
07:22 < aestetix> "uhhh.... it never arrived in the mail. can you send another one? or maybe call the mailman?"
07:22 < RangerZ> and you obviously are missing some piece of information that they are basing their logic upon
07:22 < RangerZ> as in that girl, she felt that she said what she needed to
07:22 < aestetix> which is why I'm asking them to tell me what I'm missing
07:22 < RangerZ> b/c she said it once, and "you should have been listening"
07:23 < RangerZ> aestetix: again, you just have to stop thinking about it that way, just accept it
07:23 < aestetix> so I'm supposed to learn a lesson based on information I don't have?
07:23 < RangerZ> yes
07:23 < aestetix> or is this something I'm supposed to just know
07:23 < aestetix> It's like asking me directions to a place I've never heard of
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07:24 < RangerZ1> you can't use 'logic' to 'debate' a person when they have their feelings mixed into it, unless you have a formal way of doing so, and thats almost impossible outside of a work-place
07:25 < RangerZ1> also, you have to be patronizing , without it showing
07:26 < RangerZ1> kill them with kidness, its the ONLY way to actually figure out what someone who is against you _honestly_ thinks
07:26 < RangerZ1> this is a very machievellian way of viewing it, but it works
07:26 < aestetix> Well this does explain most of gamergate
07:27 < RangerZ1> I didn't follow OWS as closely as I would have liked
07:27 < RangerZ1> but some people say the same thing happened to OWS too
07:27 < aestetix> yeah
07:27 < aestetix> OWS had a bunch of issues that rose up
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07:28 < aestetix> your internet sucks :p
07:28 < RangerZ1> I'm going to call comcast about this
07:28 < RangerZ1> its getting stupid now
07:28 < RangerZ1> was once every 4~6hrs before
07:28 < RangerZ1> now ... just stupid
07:29 < RangerZ1> and its not even long enough to kill online games
07:29 < RangerZ1> only IRC
07:29 < RangerZ1> and other non-fault tollerant protocols
07:29 < RangerZ1> ok...  nap time before bed
07:29 < RangerZ1> my spelling/typing is getting worse and worse
07:29 < RangerZ1> nap time before work*
07:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:34  * Dolemite rebuffs aestetix's affections
07:36 < aestetix> Dolemite: why do you rebuff me? I'm listening.
07:37 <@Dolemite> I'm already in a committed relationship.  I can't give them up for the forbidden lust you offer.
07:37 < aestetix> Don't worry, I won't tell
07:38 <@Dolemite> No, but I would have to tell my spouse.  I respect her too much to keep anything like that from her.
07:38 <@Dolemite> I know, it sounds crazy, but not everybody in this world just wants to get some strange
07:39 < aestetix> Only Shadow404 and Corydon?
07:39 <@Dolemite> I'm sure the list is longer than just those 2
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09:18 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: +1 on the monogamy.
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09:53 <@Evilpig> oh!  this is what I got at disney.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/x36wfyk9zau4wic/2014-10-19%2022.16.42.jpg?dl=0
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10:18 < Synx|hm> i'm having a family crisis
10:23 <@Evilpig> shuold have pulled out
10:24 < Synx|hm> ha
10:24 < Synx|hm> not that anyone wants to hear my drama, but...
10:24 < Synx|hm> My grandparents live in Jefferson City, MO (i guess 6 hour drive???)
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10:24 < Synx|hm> they are in their early 90's i believe
10:24 < Synx|hm> my dad is the only child of 3 that still talks to them
10:25 < Synx|hm> their daughter who lives not 20min away wont talk to them, and their other son who lives just under 1.5 hours away also will not talk to them
10:25 < Synx|hm> and my dad lives in SoCali
10:27 < Synx|hm> so... he is flying in to see us next week and is trying to convice me to drive him to MO to pack them up so he can move them to cali
10:28 < Synx|hm> as much as i want to help, ive been on 5 trips in the past 3 months that were all more than 9 hour driving distance
10:28 < Synx|hm> and i have to make a week long 9 hour trip in 3 weeks again
10:28 < Synx|hm> i dont have the energy for this trip
10:29 < Synx|hm> to top it off, my grandfather says he has a full pallet of shit he wants to give me (i'm told dishes, rando old shit, etc)
10:29 < Synx|hm> so my dad is laying on the guilt trip hard trying to get me to go, he's now using the "this will probably be the last time you see them"
10:29 < Synx|hm> hes even added in the "this is also probably be the last time they see my kiddo"
10:31 < Synx|hm> also of note is the drama that is going to ensue when my Aunt (i love her but she is crazy, very likely mental illness) who lives 20min away finds out my dad is moving them
10:36 < Synx|hm> moving along, when did .beer become a TLD
10:37 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: Your Dad is right, though.  At their age, it probably is the last time that you and your kiddo will see them.  Sometimes life sucks.
10:37 <@Bahhumbug> Synx|hm: http://www.bb-online.com/newgtlds-domains.shtml
10:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: New gTLDs Domains sorted by Extension - New gTLDs Sunrise, Landrush and General Availability. (at www.bb-online.com)
10:38 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: i know, its killing me inside trying to figure out what to do
10:38 < Synx|hm> my wife refuses to go though so that kinda leaves the kiddo option off the table
10:40 < Synx|hm> oh man, well i may now end up wasting the day away on that site looking at new gTLDs
10:40 <@Dolemite> Ah, now there's the rub
10:40 < Synx|hm> stick.it.in.my.ping
10:40 < Synx|hm> err stick.it.in.my.pink
10:40 < Synx|hm> that would be a lovely domain for my VPN
10:41 < Synx|hm> i.have.hiv
10:58 < Neoteric> so skydogcon THEN PN ?
10:58 < Neoteric> always right near election day
11:01 < Neoteric> man you know you're living the good life when you have a hotel on rosa parks blvd
11:01 <@Bahhumbug> Is that a part part of town or something?
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> (I am not even remotely familiar with Nashville)
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> Err, bad part...
11:06 <@Dolemite> It connects downtown to a failed mixed use Commercial/Retail business park via the projects, part of which are undergoing a Rennaissance (aka gentrification).
11:06 <@shapr> good morning!
11:06  * shapr hugs klixa 
11:06 <@shapr> Shadow404: no hugs for you!
11:06 <@Dolemite> The PN18 hotel is in the failed mixed use Commercial/Retail business park
11:08 <@Dolemite> The SkydogCon hotel is in a boutique hotel near the airport in a section of town that mainly consists of 1960s "New Middle Class" housing, where the residents are being replaced by Latinos as the original inhabitants die off and their kids don't want to live in 1100SF houses
11:08 <@Dolemite> There's your Socio-Economic Lesson about Nashville for today.
11:12  * klixa hugs Shadow404 since shapr wont give him any hugs
11:14 <@klixa> so the airport is now like nolsenville road
11:15 <@Dolemite> Briley Parkway and Nolensville Road progressed at roughly the same pace
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11:18 <@Dolemite> The Latinos are still, for the most part, contained within the bounds of I-65 on the West, I-40 to the North, Bell Road to the South, and Percy Priest Lake to the East
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11:22 <@klixa> i lived in an all latino neighborhood when i first moved to SoCal. you're safe, but they will steal your stuff
11:22 <@klixa> safe , as in they wont hurt/kill you... your stuff is not safe tho
11:23 < Synx|hm_> around the zoo is like little mexico
11:23 < Synx|hm_> we love it
11:23 < Synx|hm_> wife finally found a place to eat she doesn't hate
11:23 < Neoteric> http://vim-adventures.com/
11:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: VIM Adventures (at vim-adventures.com)
11:23 <@klixa> Synx|hm_: Las Palmas is great...i love their chicken nachos
11:23 < Synx|hm_> (wife is a mexiCAN)
11:24  * Evilpig slaps klixa 
11:24 <@Evilpig> las palmas is not great
11:25 <@klixa> i like it
11:25 <@Evilpig> you are free to like it, but it is not great
11:25 <@klixa> the chicken nachos... which are just chicken and cheese
11:25 <@Dolemite> Las Palmas is decent, but not great
11:25 < Neoteric> ...
11:25 < Neoteric> i miss las palmas
11:25 <@klixa> most mexican nachos have beans and othe rcrap
11:25 < Neoteric> i really need to get back for a PN
11:25 <@Dolemite> It's much better than the places up here, though
11:25 <@klixa> the best place to eat in nashville...if you dont live there and want something great, imo is Hog Heaven
11:25 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: it's better than places up here for sure
11:26 < Neoteric> next year will be an off year so i might be able to make it for that
11:26 <@Dolemite> Although I did find one up here in the old, old part of town that had some salsa so hot that it would make your asshole pucker before you even put it in your mouth.
11:26 < Neoteric> Evilpig: take your fucking opinions and remove them from my nostalgia for college life
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11:26 <@klixa> i have only had the chicken nachos at las palmas and i love them
11:27 <@klixa> in springfiled ohio they have the same nachos at mi jalapeno
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11:27 <@klixa> and here in omaha there is a chian restauaunt with them
11:27 <@klixa> those are the only places i have found them
11:27 < Neoteric> i tend to not eat "mexican" food anymore
11:27 < Neoteric> because of las palmas
11:27 <@Evilpig> Neoteric: you can keep your nostalgia, but when we talk about good mexican I know good mexican
11:27 <@klixa> Evilpig: tell us good mexican then
11:27 <@Evilpig> I grew up eating it
11:27 <@klixa> Evilpig: also, did you ever eat at hog heaven?
11:28 <@Evilpig> I just left socal 
11:28 <@klixa> socal doesnt have great mexican
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11:28 <@Evilpig> wtf?!  all of SoCal is mexicans...
11:28 <@klixa> Evilpig: yeah, but they are obsessed with those minature tacos
11:28 <@klixa> and most mexican palces sell burgers
11:28 <@Evilpig> pfffttt
11:29 <@Mirage> klixa: yeah, can't get good tex-mex in Dallas either...lol
11:29 <@klixa> theres some awesome burrito trucks in the bay tho
11:29 <@Evilpig> granny made burritos while I was there.  I was in heaven
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11:29 <@Evilpig> I even hit up awful deltaco one day while i was there
11:29 < Synx|hm> ha
11:29 <@klixa> del taco sucks
11:30 <@Evilpig> it's better than taco hell
11:30 < Synx|hm> i miss quality PHO from SoCali
11:30 <@klixa> del taco is the same as taco bell just costs more
11:30 <@klixa> seattle is where to get pho
11:30 < Synx|hm> any good PHO places in Smashville?
11:30 <@Evilpig> it beats 90% of the shit they call mexican in nashville and everything i've come across up here
11:30 <@klixa> its not smashville its TRASHville :P
11:30 < Synx|hm> haha so much hate
11:30 <@klixa> im allowed to hate, im from there
11:30 < Synx|hm> go to Shreveport some time
11:30 <@klixa> yeah no
11:31 < Synx|hm> ha
11:31 <@Mirage> wtf is the infactuation with Pho?  Throw a rock and you hit a Vietnamese Pho place.
11:31 <@klixa> i may hate nashville but i like it better than almost everywhere else
11:31 <@klixa> i have never had pho...or bubble tea
11:31 <@klixa> in setatle they seemed to go together
11:31 <@klixa> seattle*
11:31 <@klixa> my stupid bf wants to move back to seattle :/
11:32 < Synx|hm> Mirage: because most places i go to sell shit PHO, i want tripe, tendon, rare beef, and liquid fat dropplets in my PHO, not choped up suasage and noodles
11:32 <@klixa> tripe? ugh
11:32 <@klixa> tripe is gross Synx|hm
11:32 < Synx|hm> its fucking awesome in PHO!!
11:32 <@Mirage> Pho that they serve in the DFW area is basically broth with almost microscopic bits of meat, half a package of Ramen, and a bunch of mint leaves floating on top
11:32 <@klixa> Synx|hm: no
11:32 <@klixa> im gonna be sick just hearing about tripe
11:33 < Synx|hm> Mirage: my point exactly, most places sell some shit they call Pho, i assume because they think us mericans wont eat the real stuff
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11:34 <@klixa> Synx|hm: most americans wont
11:34 <@klixa> tripe is not a typical american food
11:35 < Synx|hm> fair enough
11:35 < Synx|hm> but dont deny me my tripe damn it
11:35  * klixa gives Synx|hm some Pho with extra tripe
11:36 < Synx|hm> while we are at it, i want my black liquorice jelly beans
11:36 < Synx|hm> so damn good
11:36 <@klixa> mu gawd Synx|hm , wtf is wrong with you
11:36 <@klixa> my*
11:36 <@klixa> tripe, black licorice, jelly beans....yuck
11:36 < Synx|hm> ha
11:37 < Synx|hm> at least im not one of the horrible people in this world who eat mayo
11:37 < Synx|hm> shudder
11:37 <@klixa> actually jelly beans are ok... i used to hate them, but i lived in an apt in the bay this summer and they office had free jelly beans and coffee
11:37 <@klixa> and my bf would fill up cups and cups of jelly beans
11:38 <@klixa> mayo was one of the clues i was pregnant again...cause i craved it...and butter...both are things i sont usually eat
11:38 < Synx|hm> ha
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11:38 < Synx|hm> my wife drank pickle juice
11:38 <@klixa> also i was eating a ton of meat
11:38 < Synx|hm> was fucking gross
11:38 <@klixa> i drink pickle juice all the time anyway, since i was a kid
11:38 <@klixa> its soooooo good
11:38 < Synx|hm> haha
11:38 <@klixa> dill pickle juice, not the sweet kind
11:39 <@klixa> i only take like a sip at a time...i dont just chug the stuff
11:39 <@Evilpig> blech
11:40 <@klixa> preganncy has made me doubt veggies are good for humans...cause the idea of them makes me sick when pregnant
11:41 <@Dolemite> are you preggers?
11:41 <@Dolemite> I didn't think that you and Evilpig had met up yet
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11:45 < Synx|hm> damn, all that talk of tripe has got me serious craving Pho
11:47 < Synx|hm> ping
11:47 <@opticron> blork
11:52 <@shapr> BLORK
11:52  * shapr hops randomly
11:52 <@shapr> I wonder if there's already a bencode lib for Arduino? hmm
11:52 < Synx|hm> thought i lost inet for sec there
11:54 < Synx|hm> hrm
11:54 <@shapr> yo see might sends data back to apple: https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home
11:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home · GitHub (at github.com)
11:54 < Synx|hm> how do i override IPv6 DNS when all my clients get DHCP from my ISP now?
11:54 <@shapr> looks exciting
11:56 < frsilent> just out of curiousity, does anyone else read the things that zed shaw posts?
11:56 < frsilent> if so does anyone else find it hilariously polarized and negative?
11:56 < frsilent> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2jqo9f/the_coming_code_bootcamp_destruction/
11:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Coming Code Bootcamp Destruction : programming (at www.reddit.com)
12:00 < Synx|hm> nm, looks like DHCPv6 doesn't send DNS, thats through RA
12:00 <@shapr> frsilent: yes, zed shaw is exactly that, polarizing and negative.
12:01 <@klixa> Dolemite: yeah, im like 9 or 10 weeks pregnant
12:01 <@klixa> i wil  know for sure friday when they do an ultra sound
12:12 <@Evilpig> O.O
12:13 < Neoteric> also jeff the brotherhood might be the best rock band out of nashville in decades
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12:24 < RangerZ1> god look at this image I just found on 4chan, https://www.dropbox.com/s/x36wfyk9zau4wic/2014-10-19%2022.16.42.jpg?dl=0 I feel bad for this guy, I have no idea what kind of mental stress and what kind of combat zones he could have gone through to make him look like that, but obviously it has taken its tole. TPSD is a horrible thing, and we as a group of responsible citizens on the Internet (of Things?) should take a moment out of our da
12:24 <@Evilpig> wtf...  https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:CMG
12:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chipotle Mexican Grill, Inc.: NYSE:CMG quotes & news - Google Finance (at www.google.com)
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12:28 <@klixa> RangerZ1: LOL
12:28 <@klixa> Evilpig: i love your hat
12:29 <@SuMo_D> klixa you are preggers again?
12:29 <@SuMo_D> wha?
12:29 <@klixa> i have a whole bunch of crazy hats, i have 2 cat hats, a money hat and red hat with ears on it
12:29 <@SuMo_D> congrats
12:29 <@klixa> SuMo_D: thanks..yeah i just found out a week ago
12:29 < RangerZ1> klixa: congrats
12:29 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: hehe
12:29 <@klixa> thanks RangerZ1
12:30 <@Evilpig> klixa: we're available if you need someone to "accidentally" knock you down a flight of stairs
12:30 <@klixa> monkey hat not money hat*
12:30 <@SuMo_D> more minions to do your bidding
12:30 <@klixa> Evilpig: no, i like my offspring :P
12:30 <@klixa> the first one turned out so well
12:30 <@klixa> she will be one on halloween!
12:30 < RangerZ1> klixa: they didn't try to kill you yet?
12:30 <@klixa> SuMo_D: yes, exactly... i need an army of them
12:30 <@SuMo_D> man two under the age of 3 that's always fun
12:31 <@klixa> for about 6 motnhs it will be 2 under 2 o.O
12:31 < RangerZ1> klixa: just the 19 of us and counting, thats your goal
12:31 <@klixa> im due in about may
12:35 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: see what you're missing out on.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/sruhur1fkhz1td6/2014-10-20%2000.20.27.png?dl=0
12:38 < RangerZ1> frsilent: never read what they wrote before, but its true, my friend wasted 15k on the devbootcamp in sanfran, and had to quit b/c of sexual creepyness of some kind (she didn't really want to talk about it, and I didn't push)
12:39 < RangerZ1> one of the staff kept on trying to hit on her too much, or something, and when she complained they didn't stop it
12:39 < RangerZ1> bt beyond that, i have no specifics
12:39 < frsilent> did she at least get her money back?
12:39 < RangerZ1> not that I'm aware of
12:40 < RangerZ1> b/c 'she' chose to quit
12:41 <@klixa> i cant imagine a place in frisco not taking that seriously
12:41 <@klixa> they are sooooo pc in the bay
12:41 < RangerZ1> yeah, thats what surprised me too about it
12:42 < RangerZ1> but honestly, its $ , PC only goes up to and meets the line of $, not goes over it
12:42 < frsilent> yeah, I just know zed shaw has written shit before about his "martial art prowess" & fighting some of the RoR devs in real life because they were mean to him on the internet
12:42 < frsilent> and taking down github because he got mad people kept adding him to the 'DICKS' projects which would pop up on his profile
12:43 < RangerZ1> no clue about that, but dev boot camps only make sense if you are at a summer camp and are age 14
12:43 < RangerZ1> b/c you aren't going to learn the skills you actually need in only that short amount of time
12:43 <@klixa> men can be overzelous at times tho... but not actually to the poit where they "harass" you
12:43 < frsilent> I got the blog post without seeing the author & like halfway through was like "Wait a sec...I know this brand of douchey writing"
12:43 <@klixa> just annoying tho
12:44 < RangerZ1> even with the 16 weeks of 'pre-class assignments' she had to teach basic python
12:44 <@klixa> i remeber one time, i had some guy on a bus trying to sit all up on me... we were like the only people on the bus... i had green hair at the time but was wearing a hat...i took my hat off
12:44 <@klixa> he moved
12:45 < RangerZ1> fucking anti-leprochan racist
12:45 < RangerZ1> leprechaun*
12:45 <@klixa> i was 14, that was before i learned how to tell people to fuck off
12:46 < RangerZ1> programming and most computer stuff... comes with experience, not just pure effort in a short amount of time
12:46 < RangerZ1> cramming only goes so far
12:47 < RangerZ1> also... "learning how to communicate in a team enviroment" and other stuff like that, is great... _once you know how to program_
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12:47 <@klixa> coding is not for me
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12:52 < RangerZ1> work, bbl
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12:57 < frsilent> RangerZ1: I agree with that, pretty much any general imperative programming is incredibly mundane. Much more challenging/rewarding is being able to clearly define problems & address them which takes *good* communication
12:58 < frsilent> mmm, add "to me" to that first sentence
12:59 < frsilent> also, for my job it's not like I ever deal with trig or interesting algos or challenges as it's just another web app so there's that to add to the boring part
13:05 <@Mirage> Dagmar: The latest Richard dynamic in LFG is humorous.
13:09 <@Mirage> This looks like a pretty brutal game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdEYapPXdY
13:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hatred Gameplay Reveal Trailer (new version) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:09 <@Mirage> (audio contains language)
13:10  * shapr saves RangerZ1's quote <RangerZ1> fucking anti-leprechaun racist
13:10 <@shapr> I'm sure I will wonder about that quote in years to come.
13:10 <@Mirage> that should be in CoA
13:10 <@shapr> frsilent: build websites in Haskell? :-)
13:10 <@shapr> Mirage: What's CoA?
13:11 <@Mirage> bah..poor multitasking.  CaH
13:11 <@Mirage> Cards against Humanity
13:11 <@shapr> oh
13:11 <@shapr> ha
13:11 <@Mirage> reading email, watching IRC, browsing youtube, and eating lunch.  not sure which one pushed me over the edge of cognizant thinking
13:12 <@shapr> heh
13:18 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I believe that would be "getting out of bed"
13:26 < frsilent> shapr: lol, my company has a pretty strong culture of "work long hours and we're a startup even though we hire a new person every week and don't waste our company's time with shit like getting better at your job"
13:26 < frsilent> so imagine me proposing an entirely new framework
13:26 < frsilent> maybe when I've got some more free time
13:27 < frsilent> sometimes I want to kick myself for not leaving to join my buddy's business
13:27 <@Evilpig> frsilent: switching frameworks goes along with not wasting time getting better at your job.
13:28 < frsilent> Evilpig: it was an example of the company culture
13:29 < frsilent> even the most "happy-go-lucky" early bell labs kind of culture I wouldn't want to arbitrarily switch frameworks, especially to one that less people knew
13:29 < frsilent> here it'd be career suicide
13:30 < frsilent> my buddy's flying to Milan right now to participate in the Faceit lan finals
13:30 < frsilent> but if I had done that it would've been a massive paycut
13:30 <@Mirage> Evilpig: i believe you're right
13:33 <@shapr> frsilent: I couldn't deal with that
13:33 <@shapr> I spend about 15% of every task improving tools/knowledge/etc
13:33 <@shapr> I just build that into every estimate.
13:33 < frsilent> eh, yeah I've been doing my best to change the culture where I can
13:33 <@shapr> That upset Raytheon when I worked there, but it's the sanest way to do things.
13:35 < frsilent> talked to our ops chief & got accounts for treehouse & tutsplus disseminated to the other devs, I share ebooks & have done impromptu lightning talks on angular, django-rest-framework, lisp, & FP in general
13:35 < frsilent> the iOS guy I've talked about has made it pretty clear that he doesn't think that learning new things is a worthwhile endeavor
13:35 < aestetix> frsilent: do you get any benefit out of working long hours?
13:35 < frsilent> there's some pretty big egos I have to manuever around
13:36 < frsilent> aestetix: yeah, I mean our CEO comes from a sales background so the idea of not punching a clock is kind of foreign to him
13:37 < frsilent> so worst case scenario is good perception by upper management
13:37 < frsilent> also I was hired straight out of college for a lot more money than most of my peers make so I'm not really complaining
13:38 <@shapr> big egos are rough
13:38 < frsilent> just wish it was a bit easier to positively influence other people
13:38 <@shapr> For me, I find ways to get my tasks done faster than others, then they want to learn the tools I'm using
13:38 < aestetix> what are long hours to you?
13:39 < frsilent> ie the iOS dev didn't like that I implemented filtering as query params, ie how every single other REST api does it and DRF will do for you automatically
13:39 <@shapr> Yeah, long hours in a startup often means 80 hours a week
13:39 < aestetix> I remember when I interviewed at Square, years ago
13:39 < frsilent> he wanted filters as like url slugs, ie /api/corporation/23/menu/37/item/50
13:39 < frsilent> or something stupid
13:39 < aestetix> they were like "yeah, most people come in at 9am, and some stay until midnight"
13:39 < aestetix> and I'm like why the fuck would I want to work here
13:40 < frsilent> his worst: "This is how everyone does it."
13:40 <@shapr> I won't say I have much of a life, but I don't want to spend that much time at work anyway.
13:40 < frsilent> how do I respond to that? "Umm...no they don't???" lol
13:40 < frsilent> & also we don't do long hours anymore really, when I first started it was but now I do 7-9 hour days
13:41 < aestetix> frsilent: you reply by getting a job that has more reasonable ahours :p
13:41 < aestetix> oh ok
13:41 < aestetix> 7-9 hours is not bad
13:41 <@shapr> frsilent: do you get paid overtime?
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13:41 < frsilent> no, no holidays, no HR dept, & that same iOS guy has made snide remarks about people taking time off
13:42  * shapr sighs
13:42 < frsilent> but our CEO is very laid back and if I ask for time off he's like "Definitely! Family first man."
13:42 < aestetix> wait
13:42 < aestetix> no holidays?
13:42 <@shapr> frsilent: I'd enjoy getting the experience, and GTFO after two years or so
13:42 <@brimstone> why is it that salaried people are not restricted to a 40hr work week, but vacation time is measured by hours or days?
13:42 < aestetix> where is this company based?
13:42 < frsilent> aestetix: let me rephrase, we have christmast, thanksgiving, etc off BUT there's no calendar
13:43  * shapr agrees with brimstone
13:43 < frsilent> or any kind of notice we can play around
13:43 < aestetix> frsilent: is this one of those "unlimited vacation" deals?
13:43 <@brimstone> can i work overtime on my vacation time?
13:43 < frsilent> aestetix: yep lol
13:43 < aestetix> got it
13:43 <@shapr> brimstone: I've done it
13:43 < aestetix> yeah unlimited vacation is a fucking scam
13:43 < frsilent> I'll remember to phrase it that way
13:43 <@brimstone> technically i have negative vacation right now
13:43 < aestetix> the reason for having a set number of vacation days is to have a mark to work against
13:44 < aestetix> to say "look I have earned X days, when do I get to use them"
13:44 <@Evilpig> brimstone: can I use some of your vacation?
13:44 < frsilent> yeah, my mom's been federal for ~25 years so she's shared a lot of the same sentiments with me
13:44 < aestetix> you know
13:44 <@brimstone> Evilpig: but i don't have any to even give away
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13:44 < aestetix> I will say a lot of shit about the federal government
13:44 < aestetix> but working for them is a sweet deal
13:45 <@Bahhumbug> How does one accrue negative vacation?
13:45 <@Evilpig> brimstone: that's okay, i'm fine with you going further into the hole
13:45 <@brimstone> at my last job, the dirty secret was you could go 2 weeks into the hole, then leave the company with no negative effects
13:46 <@brimstone> maybe it's like that everywhere?
13:46 <@shapr> brimstone: same place where I worked?
13:46 < aestetix> well
13:47 < aestetix> the other trick is to make sure you have a reference, and then just leave
13:47 < frsilent> ours is that if you try to turn in your 2 weeks they'll get upset that you're leaving and fire you, so if you do it at the start of a pay period you'll get paid for 2 weeks
13:47 < aestetix> and keep collecting paychecks until management notices you're gone
13:47 < aestetix> I had a friend who got like six months pay that wy
13:47 <@Evilpig> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
13:47 <@Evilpig> http://geekologie.com/2014/10/scientist-stumbles-across-puppy-size-spi.php
13:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Scientist Stumbles Across Puppy-Size Spider In Guyana | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
13:47 < aestetix> and the company couldn't do anything because he had so much dirt on their shady business practices
13:49 < aestetix> at this point though, pretty much every company in the US seems to suck to work at
13:51 < Synx|hm> and i've broken my LAN
13:51 < Synx|hm> damn it
13:58 < aestetix> I wonder how much of the total internet child porn goes through tumblr
14:00 <@Evilpig> not alot
14:01 < aestetix> that's scary
14:01 < aestetix> givne the quantity you recently cited
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14:07 < aestetix> frsilent: where is your workplace? I'm mostly wondering if it's around the bay area, or whether our cancerous lifestyle has spread
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14:16 < frsilent> aestetix: Tampa, similar startup scene
14:16 < frsilent> I switched to working remote though
14:16 < aestetix> OMFG
14:16 < aestetix> It's drizzling!
14:16 < frsilent> got sick of working in a room with my fellow nerds that refuse to work with lights on or tackle features with any kind of pragmatism
14:18 <@Evilpig> what have you got against working in the dark?
14:19 <@NotLarry> Mostly that I might bump into Wilpig
14:20 <@NotLarry> Although, that might be a plus, depending on who is facing which direction...
14:20 <@Evilpig> haha
14:21 <@NotLarry> I have needles, thread, scissors, a thimble and a sheepskin.  The people at work are fucking terrified now.
14:21 < aestetix> I just got an idea
14:21 < aestetix> NotLarry: you should host a game of spin-the-bottle at PhreakNIC
14:24 < Synx|hm> well this is fun
14:24 < aestetix> I see you are all revelling in my brilliance
14:24 < Synx|hm> windows does not fallback to IPv4 DNS servers when a lookup on IPv6 fails
14:24 <@shapr> oops
14:25 <@NotLarry> aestetix: If I were aestetix I would be encoraged that it was not immediatly shut down and sent to the crazy vault...
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15:20 < Synx|hm> oh sweet, windows also by default (if windows firewall us turned up) ignores ICMPv6 echo requests
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16:19 <@Evilpig> w00t!  so i have to be in the city on wednesday and it's taco day!
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16:23 < Synx|hm> awesome
16:23 < Synx|hm> what ever i just did with Snort pfsense has become totally unresponsive
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16:31 <@Mirage> ok, anyone know of a good/easy way to induce OOM or something similar on a linux box for testing monitors?
16:31 <@Evilpig> haha.  another study on the topic with the same outcome.  http://torrentfreak.com/teen-pirates-pay-for-movies-more-often-than-non-pirates-141015/
16:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Teen Pirates Pay For Movies More Often Than Non-Pirates | TorrentFreak (at torrentfreak.com)
16:32 < dasunt> Does systemd still have a dependency on the QR code library?
16:32 <@Mirage> If they all had java on them I'd just spin up a bunch of 1G jvm's until the machine died a flaming death, but that's not an option.
16:35 <@Evilpig> dasunt: I haven't heard of systemd losing any dependencies just gaining more of them
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16:38 < dasunt> Evilpig: I swear, when I heard about systemd having a QR encoding library, I thought it had to be BS.  I was wrong.  So very wrong.
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16:39 <@Evilpig> dasunt: you doubted that after it got its own webserver?
16:40 <@brimstone> supervisord has its own webserver
16:40 < dasunt> Evilpig: I know, stupid me, right?
16:40 <@brimstone> no one's complaining there
16:44 < dasunt> brimstone: I think it's everything-and-the-kitchen-sink,-washer,-dryer,-laundry-tub,-water-heater,-oh-hell-lets-throw-in-a-complete-municiple-water-system approach that systemd has.
16:44 < dasunt> It's one thing to say "lol, we threw in a webserver".
16:45 < dasunt> It's another thing to say "our init system now takes the place of a ton of low-level daemons".
16:45 <@brimstone> surprisingly, systemd doesn't have its own marketplace, it's going to use btrfs for that
16:49 < dasunt> marketplace?
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16:50 <@brimstone> yeah, to get new apps
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16:52 < dasunt> I can't tell if you're serious or not.
16:53 < dasunt> I could see systemd developing its own app marketplace.
16:53 < aestetix> oh god
16:53 <@brimstone> that's the sign of a good troll
16:53 < aestetix> I hope systemd doesn't get apps
16:53 < dasunt> "It makes it easier to install software"
16:54 < dasunt> brimstone: The only thing that seemed off with your statement is saying it'll use btrfs.
16:55 <@brimstone> dasunt: you missed http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html then
16:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems (at 0pointer.net)
16:57  * dasunt whimpers.
17:06 < dasunt> brimstone: See, I still can't tell if that's supposed to be a joke or not.
17:07 < dasunt> Or maybe my mind wants to believe it must be a joke.
17:08 <@brimstone> don't get me wrong, snapshotting physical systems like VMs is a really neat idea
17:08 <@brimstone> but i'm not sure that's the init system's place
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17:10 < dasunt> It isn't the init system's place, so I expect to see the feature show up in systemd sooner or later.
17:11 <@brimstone> zing!
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> dasunt: systemd-allthed
17:20 <@Bahhumbug> dasunt: That is not a joke.  Puttering has it in his head to change _everything_.
17:21 <@Bahhumbug> And since no one has the balls to tell him no, starting with Fedora / FESCO, there is no real end in sight.
17:27 < aestetix> ok stupid question
17:28 < aestetix> how can I tell if a process is being run by init vs upstart?
17:30 < aestetix> I guess vs systemd
17:32 <@brimstone> query your package manager for the owner of /sbin/init
17:32 <@brimstone> if you have dpkg: dpkg -S /sbin/init
17:37 < aestetix> initctl status package
17:37 < aestetix> that worked too
17:47 < aestetix> ok question
17:47 < aestetix> if you were setting up a bug bounty process for your workplace
17:47 < aestetix> would you use a wufoo form?
17:49 <@brimstone> that or google docs forms
17:49 <@brimstone> internal submissions only or external?
17:49 < aestetix> it seems odd to use a 3rd party tool to collect info on how to break your service
17:49 < dasunt> Bahhumbug: From the same person who brought you Pulse Audio...  This time, it just won't be your sound that's fucked up.
18:08  * opticron vomits on brimstone for linking that
18:21 < aestetix> RangerZ1: oddball would an appropriate compromise on a line item veto be a maximum size a bill can be?
18:22 < aestetix> size in terms of scope
18:42 <@oddball> I still don't like the idea of the Pez essentially being able to change the language of a bill after it's been passed.
18:46 < aestetix> oddball: the limitation would be on congress, not on the pres
18:46 < aestetix> basically the thought is, how to prevent something like when the GOP slipped a repeal of obamacare amendment into the budget, causing the government shutdown
18:47 < aestetix> if there were a way to say "sorry, that is not within scope"
18:49 <@oddball> Or the '86 machine gun ban?  Oh... yeah... I'm all for stopping those annoying things to get slipped into.. say... budget bills, but I still believe that line item veto is too much power.
18:49 < aestetix> well yes
18:50 < aestetix> I was wondering if there is a good way to have the same positive impact of a line item veto without all the negative consequences
18:50 <@oddball> Here's the problem.  Line item vetos could also cause the pres to say "fuck the budget part of the budget bill, but I like the Obamacare repeal.
18:50 <@oddball> "
18:51  * aestetix nods
18:51 < aestetix> not disagreeing
18:52 < aestetix> so the actual issue is that our politicians are immature babies
18:53 <@oddball> And here's a question... does the entire bill go back to congress like a full veto, but with extra suggestions, or does the stuff the Pres likes get passed to SCOTUS for review and publication?
18:53 < aestetix> So what we actually need is a line in the oath to office that states "I will not be an immature baby"
18:55 <@oddball> yeah... and somehow make it enforcible.
19:03 < aestetix> didn't we already have the discussion about enforcement on the federal level
19:04 <@oddball> I don't know... maybe?
19:04 < aestetix> lol
19:04 < aestetix> the one where we established that nobody in the federal government gets held to any sort of accountability
19:05 <@Dagmar> Or... we could start shooting policitians who don't do their jobs.
19:06 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah... that's been pretty damn clear.
19:06 <@oddball> We have the first active AG to be held in contempt of Congress, and it seems to have been followed with a "meh."
19:08 <@Bahhumbug> dasunt: Yep.  Puttering and for the added lulz you have Harald Hoyer (who really isn't all that bad of a guy) and Kay Sievers (who _is_ that bad of a guy).
19:08 < aestetix> actually
19:08 < aestetix> what I'm trying to figure out is how to make people want to vote again
19:09 < aestetix> Obama was the last time that really happened, and we saw how well it worked
19:09 <@Dagmar> Pay people to do it.
19:09 <@Dagmar> ...or let them build up credits.
19:09 <@Dagmar> Ten votes lets you shoot a politician
19:09 < aestetix> or how about
19:09 < aestetix> if you vote you get x amount taken off student loans
19:10 <@Dagmar> ...or, how about if someone runs for office, we add a third option.
19:10 <@Dagmar> Yay, nay, or scorpion pit.
19:10 < aestetix> lol
19:10 <@oddball> aestetix: Problem is that the way to do it won't happen.  1. you need politicians to be vaugely honest, and 2. they need to do something other than "well, the other side is a bunch of doodoo heads."
19:10 <@Dagmar> Let's face it gentlemen, it's long past time for blood to be spilled.
19:12 <@oddball> Think we've reached that box, then? (soap box, voting box, ammo box)
19:12 <@oddball> I think there's a 4th box, but I can't think of what.
19:12 < aestetix> wikileaks :p
19:12 < aestetix> vote with classified documents
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19:13 <@oddball> ah, I was able to find a 5 box list.  Soap Box, Mail Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, and then Ammo Box.
19:14 <@Dagmar> So where's our ammo box
19:14 <@oddball> Walmart?
19:15 <@Dagmar> In case you're wondering why I've been quiet lately, it's because I've been dead the last two days
19:15 <@oddball> Although, they sell much larger boxes of ammo at the serious gun shops. :p
19:15 <@oddball> Oh... so you're a zombie now?
19:15 <@Bahhumbug> And you came back to life.
19:15 <@Bahhumbug> That's awesome.
19:15 <@Dagmar> No, it would have just been preferable to both-ends-itis
19:15 <@oddball> Are you one of those ebola zombies I've read about?
19:16 <@oddball> ewww
19:16 <@Dagmar> I am cautiously eating some noodles now
19:16 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking NANOG.  "Why is .gov only for US agencies?"
19:16 <@Bahhumbug> Because.  That's all of an answer anyone needs.
19:16 <@Dagmar> THat's not nanog.  Thta's idiots.
19:17 <@Dagmar> Some fuckers are clearly hoping to cash in on a .gov land grab
19:17 <@oddball> Because the US was the country that ponied up the initial money?
19:18 <@Dagmar> Next time I get a flu thing i'm calling on you guys for help
19:18 <@Bahhumbug> NANOG is full of idiots 90% of the time.
19:18 <@Dagmar> I managed to get Lindsey to bring me a 2-liter of 7up around 3pm on Sunday
19:19 <@Dagmar> I told her I needed fluids at like 9pm saturday
19:19 <@Dagmar> ...and then she kept calling and messageing me to ask me silly questions like every two hours, so I couldn't sleep
19:19 <@Bahhumbug> There is a fix for that.
19:19 <@Dagmar> I finally said "fuck it" and silenced my phone late last night, slept (mostly) until about 3pm today, when she was at my door
19:20 <@Bahhumbug> Turn your phone off, or at least the ringer.
19:20  * oddball tries to once again figure out if Dagmar and Lindsey are dating again or not.
19:20 <@Dagmar> Did she bring more fluids?  No.
19:22 <@Dagmar> She was at my door because she'd convinced herself I was dying
19:22 <@Dagmar> ...but didn't acutally bring anything to help.
19:22 <@Bahhumbug> She brought herself.
19:23 <@Bahhumbug> Could have been worse.  She could have brought ware.
19:23 < aestetix> who is lindsay?
19:23 < aestetix> I thought her name was Amber
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19:24 <@Bahhumbug> That fixes that.
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19:30 < aestetix> well I just accidentally caused a shitstorm within IDESG
19:31 < aestetix> all it takes is one person being CCed by accident on an email
19:33 <@Dagmar> Well, that's enough activity for one day.
19:33 <@Dagmar> Time to lie back down for a few hours
20:01 < RangerZ1> aestetix: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/20/201232/nasas-hi-seas-project-results-suggests-a-women-only-mars-crew
20:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: NASA's HI-SEAS Project Results Suggests a Women-Only Mars Crew - Slashdot (at science.slashdot.org)
20:01 < RangerZ1> consider that your Christmas gift
20:13 < RangerZ1> so what is people's opinion about 'systemd' ?
20:13 < RangerZ1> I really haven't looked into it too much yet
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20:36 < RangerZ1> frsilent: my friend is going to email that zed shaw about her devbootcamp experience
20:36 < aestetix> oh?
20:36 < aestetix> RangerZ1: she should email meredith patterson about it too
20:37 < RangerZ1> and even she (who is pretty fucking SF liberal) realized that "all warm and feeling" doesn't matter one damn when it comes to coding, if you can't code
20:37 < RangerZ1> lol
20:37 < aestetix> as much as I hate some of the bay area broness, I love watching them go down in flames
20:37 < RangerZ1> b/c I had an arguement with her about how 'group planning/programming' is fucking stupid if you don't know how to write your own class yet
20:38 < RangerZ1> working well in a group etc... is great... but only AFTER you have minimum level of programming skill
20:39 < aestetix> right
20:39 < aestetix> warm feeling doesn't work in any place
20:40 < aestetix> imagine being a doctor
20:40 < aestetix> I mean it's a great accompaniment, but it's not an axiom
20:41 < aestetix> The bay area lately seems to be full of pseudo-communists who think they are happy when they are just avoiding conflict
20:42 < RangerZ1> fuck that
20:42 < RangerZ1> I enjoy conflict
20:44 < aestetix> Is that the impression you got from her?
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20:53 < RangerZ1> how else am I going to level up my charaters in RPGs?
20:53 < RangerZ1> ohh in real conversations with people with real names
20:53 < RangerZ1> nah
20:54 < RangerZ1> her? she's not a pushover, but getting supportive comments at DBC from people made her cry (so overly emotional to 'my' standard... but ehh)
20:55 < RangerZ1> so 'normal' I guess
20:55 < aestetix> cry?
20:55 < aestetix> why would supportive comments make someone cry
20:56 < RangerZ1> sexist comment? she was being overly emotional
20:56 < RangerZ1> reality... she was likely being overly emotional over the entire thing
20:56 < aestetix> supportive != sexist
20:57 < RangerZ1> no.. nonono
20:57 < RangerZ1> crying from being happy
20:57 < aestetix> .... what?!
20:57 < RangerZ1> aka... something I'm guessing neither you nor I have ever done
20:57 < aestetix> why would she cry
20:57 < aestetix> just say "rock on"
20:57 < aestetix> or something
20:58 < RangerZ1> but I'm not going to say is 'abnormal' because I know a lot of females who have done that
21:00 < RangerZ1> like I said. "overly emotional" for 'me' , but 'ehh' for others
21:09 <@NotLarry> https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8185108,-84.5906368,3209m/data=!3m1!1e3
21:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Maps (at www.google.com)
21:36 < aestetix> oh boy
21:36 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky
21:37 < RangerZ1> I can get MILFHNTR for my personal plate
21:37 < RangerZ1> LOL
21:37 < RangerZ1> I know a guy with OMGWOOT
21:37 < RangerZ1> lol
21:54 < RangerZ1> holy fuck... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvMwLEkhQI
21:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Citizen Pulls Over Cop, Demands ID & It’s Amazing - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:16 <@opticron> huuuuuuge balls
22:20 < RangerZ1> I'm surprised he can walk
22:21 < RangerZ1> they must have their own electirc motorized wheelchair, b/c brass/platinum/gold/silver alloys are heavy
22:44 <@Dagmar> Goddamn these health people
22:44 <@Dagmar> I hope they die painfully
22:44 <@Dagmar> I just bought fucking _sugar free_ popcicles
22:44 <@Evilpig> go back and demand sugar free gummy bears
22:44 <@Dagmar> That'll do fuck all to keep my blood sugar up
22:45 <@Evilpig> it'll be fun for us later though
22:45 <@oddball> So... apparently NYC pedestrians are stupid.
22:46 <@oddball> They have this nasty habit of stepping out into the middle of the first lane of traffic and stopping there to wait for the light to change in their favor.
22:46 <@oddball> Somehow, this fails to result in them getting run the fuck overr.
22:47 <@Dagmar> Help nature along.
22:47 <@Dagmar> Just clip 'em with the corner of your bumper... just to let them know you care
22:48 <@oddball> Oh.  I don't have a car while I'm here.
22:48 <@Dagmar> Lindsey is of the opinion that when someone tells you they've vomiting with the flu at 8:00pm the appropriate time and way to help is to bring a 2-liter of 7up at 3pm the next day
22:48 <@Evilpig> oddball: they also cross on green and just step out in front of shit
22:48 <@Evilpig> you have to be insane to drive in the city
22:49 <@Dagmar> ...oh and another at 9pm the next day after that
22:49 <@oddball> Yeah... it appears that the lights and lines on the roads are more suggestions than anything else to both drivers and pedestrians up here.
22:49 <@Dagmar> Just roll down the window and yell "BLOOD FOR ALLAH!"
22:50 <@oddball> Dagmar: At least she could have brought you Gatoraid.
22:50 <@Dagmar> Gatorade is generally too much in the state I was in
22:50 <@Dagmar> I was spewing hard
22:51 <@Dagmar> Freaking Pepto made me vomit yesterday afternoon and I thought I was out of the woods on that
22:51 <@oddball> Oh... and so far, no one's tried to push me around.  Although one of the guys trying the whole "shove thing in person's hands and then ask for money for it" did ask me not to beat him up.
22:51 <@Dagmar> lol
22:52 <@oddball> Yeah... the one time I tried pepto for an upset stomach, it instantly made me puke.
22:52 <@Dagmar> Well it wasn't instant, but it was like 3 minutes flat.  It's clear what brought that on
22:52 <@Dagmar> I don't even know where the stuff was coming from
22:53 <@Dagmar> Lukcily I still have a lot of generic otter pops in the fridge from the summer
22:53 <@Evilpig> oddball: I love the ones that do the whole "you don't like black guys do ya?"
22:53 <@oddball> 3minutes is in the timeframe of instant when it comes to puking in my mind.
22:53 <@Evilpig> "come on whitey, you don't need to be afraid of me"
22:53 <@oddball> Oh... I haven't had anyone do that to me yet.
22:53 <@Dagmar> I need to teach you the homocidal maniac stare
22:54 <@Dagmar> That empty, hopeless gaze that lets the other person there's no human soul inside
22:54 <@oddball> I have, on the other hand, had a few "oh, hey big guy!"
22:54 <@Evilpig> They clearly don't hear "you're right" often enough.  :D
22:55 <@oddball> Dagmar: I'm guessing that advice was directed to Evilpig
22:55 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:55 <@Evilpig> oh dude.  I love fucking with those guys
22:55 <@oddball> Ok... just checking.
22:55 <@Dagmar> I think you can manage it.  :)
22:55 <@Evilpig> the ones that are pushing comedy clubs you cannot stare down
22:55 <@Evilpig> those guys have completely broken spirits
22:55 <@Dagmar> I could stare down Easter Island
22:55 <@Evilpig> they'll talk to a train given even the slightest chance
22:56 <@oddball> Oh... yeah.  The comedy club guys down on Time Square?  Yeah... they're fairly pushy.
22:56 <@Dagmar> I managed to clean up the bathroom
22:57 <@Dagmar> Went to publix for some bullshit popcicles and another 2 liter of 7up
22:57 <@Dagmar> Got a shower and got dressed
22:57 <@Dagmar> That's enough for today I think
22:58 <@Dagmar> Man I can't believe they sell suger free popcicles
22:58 <@oddball> And there was another guy that was pulling the whole "don't be afraid I love white people!" schtick to the group walking ahead of us.  Not sure what his game was.
22:58 <@Dagmar> He doesnt' think anyone will call him out on being racist
22:59 <@Evilpig> he wants to eat them
22:59 <@oddball> He seemed to be a harmless troll.  I pretty much treated him as such.
23:00 <@Dagmar> They need to make "sick-friendly" popcicles
23:00 <@Evilpig> explain
23:00 <@Dagmar> Something that has coloring that breaks down quickly
23:00 <@Evilpig> heh
23:00 <@Dagmar> ...rather than coming out a rather disturbing shade of brown
23:00 <@Evilpig> so you need some frozen chicken broth with a stick in it?
23:00 <@Dagmar> I kept thinking "where is this stuff coming from?  It should be clear."
23:01 <@Dagmar> Also, now I know for sure that I got lucky the last time I had both-ends-itis
23:01 <@Dagmar> Lucky, and nimble.
23:01 <@Dagmar> I made the wrong decision this time.
23:01 <@Dagmar> Still, bathroom mats are cheap
23:02 <@oddball> oh dear
23:02 <@Dagmar> My shower curtain was old anyway
23:02 <@Evilpig> hahahaha
23:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah this was _bad_
23:03 <@Evilpig> I need to goto the store tomorrow and get something for desert
23:03 <@Dagmar> I was messaging Lindsey through the night so that maybe she'd get the hint I was in dire straights and bring me some 7up in the morning
23:03 <@Dagmar> 3pm.  Seriously.
23:03 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck little errands are so important you can't bring a 2-liter of necessary fluids to someone your'e supposed to care about until 3pm?
23:04 <@oddball> I will say one thing for this city.  The concept of a lilquor store that delivers?  Amazing!
23:04 <@Dagmar> Keeps drunks off the streets!
23:04 <@Dagmar> This in stark contrast to Kentucky's plan
23:04 <@Dagmar> ...which I still do not understand.
23:04 <@Evilpig> oddball: you can get liquor delivered via a few different services
23:05 <@Evilpig> if you want to be truly amazed, fire up grubhub on your phone
23:05 <@Dagmar> OOooh
23:05 <@Evilpig> cookie delivery is tits!
23:05 <@Dagmar> Is this your first time outside of DragonCon to be in a high-population density city?
23:05 <@oddball> heh
23:06 <@oddball> Fuck.  I forgot all about that while we were trying to find a good place to eat.
23:06 <@oddball> Last night we ate at an Italian place that was good... not great.  And tonight it was an Irish place that was meh.
23:07 <@oddball> Of course, the Irish place we go to in Nashville was won international awards and shit as a great Irish place, so...
23:08 <@Evilpig> did you at least check out eataly? 
23:08 <@oddball> eataly?  no....
23:08 < aestetix> Atlanta is not a high density city.
23:08 <@Evilpig> check it out tomorrow.  italian grocery / collection of restaurants
23:09 <@oddball> cool
23:09 <@Dagmar> Compared to Nashville it is
23:09 <@oddball> We've got dinner plans tomorrow already, but maybe for lunch or something.
23:09 <@oddball> We've just been hitting the street carts for lunch, but.
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23:13 <@oddball> Hmmm... not sure if we're going to make it down there.
23:13 <@Evilpig> oddball: this is one that I went to with benthemeek and priscilla that was the bomb.  http://shabutatsu.com/
23:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shabu-shabu, Japanese BBQ, Sukiyaki & Hot Pot in East Village, NY! (at shabutatsu.com)
23:14 < aestetix> penis
23:14 <@oddball> Naienko wants to hit the American Dolls store tomorrow, and I want to go back to the Beretta Gallery (didn't get to their gun room before they closed tonight), and then to the natural history museum... and then to meet our buddy for dinner
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23:15 <@Evilpig> that natural history museum is huge
23:15 <@oddball> We were talking on the way back that we really should have polled our friends that are up here on where to eat.
23:15 <@oddball> We did the Met today. :)
23:16 <@Evilpig> moma is having a matise exhibit right now
23:16 <@Evilpig> it's worth checking out
23:16 <@oddball> So... we're schedualing basically tomorrow afternoon for the natural history museum.
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23:18 <@oddball> Hmmm... we're at the Midtown Hilton.  I'm afraid the sushi place is a bit of a hike. :/
23:18 <@Evilpig> not a sushi place
23:18 <@Evilpig> japanese hot pot
23:18 <@oddball> ah.... sorry.
23:18 <@oddball> same answer, though.
23:18 <@Evilpig> it's a fun thing
23:18 <@oddball> Looks damned good though.
23:19 <@Evilpig> that's where ben and priscilla stayed
23:19 <@Evilpig> you're pretty much right next door to moma
23:19 <@oddball> yep
23:20 <@oddball> Of course, neither Naienko nor I are huge modern art fans.
23:20 <@Evilpig> the top two floors are worth seeing
23:21 <@Evilpig> the rest is meh
23:21 <@oddball> cool
23:21 <@Evilpig> seeing the picaso's was cool
23:21 <@oddball> We're also, unfortunately, on a really damned short trip up here.
23:21 <@oddball> Really wish is was a week or something.
23:22 <@Evilpig> you can easily spend a week and then some just hitting the tourist attractions
23:22 <@oddball> Also... Nai is wishing that we hadn't walked the entire perimeter of Central Park last night. :p
23:22 <@Evilpig> haha
23:22 <@Dagmar> More blocks than you thought it was?
23:23 <@oddball> Yeah.  We're not going to see everything we want to see in easy walking distance of the hotel before we have to leave.
23:23 <@Evilpig> just remember the subway is $2.50 
23:23 <@oddball> Dagmar: Didn't quite realize that that would mean that we walked almost 10 miles including the airport yesterday, no.
23:24 <@oddball> Yeah... we're hitting the subway tomorrow to meet up with Laura Anne.  She's up near 200-something street.
23:25 < aestetix> ok so
23:25 < aestetix> I think I've concluded that in the bay area, startups have assumed the role of the church
23:26 <@Dagmar> Well, I can see the "faith" aspect
23:26 < aestetix> Since a good startup employee works all day long, and then stays at the company to play videogames with their coworkers
23:26 < aestetix> And they have sports teams together, etc
23:26 < aestetix> And yeah there's the faith part too
23:27 < aestetix> As you can imagine, I won't do that. I have a life outside of $dayjob, and honestly, I find it kind of immature and disgusting.
23:27 <@Dagmar> You realize we generally just call that a "cult"
23:28 < aestetix> Yep!
23:30 < aestetix> Dagmar: but yeah. Startups around here are basically cults.
23:30 < RangerZ1> they have to be
23:31 < aestetix> oh?
23:31 < RangerZ1> b/c they pay so much less per hour than 'normal' jobs
23:31 < aestetix> yep
23:31 <@Dagmar> Well... That's btter
23:31 <@Dagmar> I just unfollowed Think Progress because of one bullshit inflammatory post too many
23:32 <@oddball> Took you this long, huh?
23:32 < RangerZ1> thats why I like RSS, allows me to easier just skip shit content
23:33 < RangerZ1> aestetix: you'd find it amusing what looks I got from people at vanderbilt, when I said, "If I could find a complete slacker job, I'd work for 60k/yr back home, and be happy enough with that for a few years"
23:34 < RangerZ1> a lot of them have no concept of $ vs time + effort + stress of a full time day job
23:35 < RangerZ1> I see no problem living at home for a year or two, and then paying off all my debts, while relaxing
23:35  * RangerZ1 misses being able to relax and just play a video game for a few hours, without feeling guilty that I'm not doing more work
23:35 < RangerZ1> lol
23:38 < RangerZ1> they didn't even listen that I said I'd be living at home and what not, etc...  a lot of people have way more debt than me, and _need_ to go sell their souls to pay it back , and THAT is the reason why gambling on a startup is so nice
23:38 < RangerZ1> even if the company goes belly up, it doesn't directly look bad upon most employees, and you have the 'chance' of paying off all your student loans, and all that quickly
23:39 < RangerZ1> plus 'its cool' to work for a startup
23:39 < RangerZ1> lol
23:39 < aestetix> heh
23:40 < RangerZ1> mind you I have WAY more student loan debt than I'd like to think about
23:40 < RangerZ1> but its still less than 1 years worth a low expected income level
23:42 < RangerZ1> but that _key_ ratio is where most people are in a much deeper hole than I
23:42 < aestetix> yeah
23:42 < aestetix> I'm mostly marvelling at just how fucked up the bay area culture is right now
23:43 < RangerZ1> doctors easily often own 1/4 million
23:43 < RangerZ1> +
23:43 < RangerZ1> b/c they have to take out loans for all 7 years of med school, to pay for both school and living
23:44 < RangerZ1> which is why doctors don't go into family practice as much, b/c they can't pay their own loans back (insurance on a doctor who is seeign 3x as many patients as they 'should' is higher too, so ...FML)
23:44 < RangerZ1> lol
23:47 < aestetix> RangerZ1: this seems like it has very bad long term effects for the country
23:48 < aestetix> Since graduates are too busy working nonstop to pay back loans to start a family
23:50 <@oddball> Ahahahahhahahahahahaha
23:51 <@Dagmar> Think Progress can kiss my ass
23:51 <@oddball> So... brief stop at the Beretta store today, going back tomorrow.  Seriously considering buying this knife that they had in the store.  Read the notice: http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-bascula-knife-so5-engraved-small/co3704510900/
23:52 <@Dagmar> They posted a race-baiting nonsense piece about Mark Andreessen pointing out that tech companies are actually pretty diverse because they've got a lot of different types of europeans
23:52 <@Dagmar> This is goalpost shifting of the worst sort
23:53 <@Dagmar> Might as well just scream "WELL THEY'RE JUST NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR US!"
23:56 <@Dagmar> Fucking world is full of hippies today
23:56 <@Dagmar> I've got another dipshit trying to argue that protecting women something "the patriarchy" came up with
23:56 <@Dagmar> I'm like "No, motherfucker.  That's something you do when you don't want to die out."
23:56 < RangerZ1> aestetix: thats correct
23:57 < RangerZ1> its the reason why I don't have an ex wife
23:57 <@Dagmar> It has fuck all to do with whether or not one sex is "weaker" than the other
23:57 < RangerZ1> b/c I never got married to my ex (or even proposed) b/c of financial
23:57 < RangerZ1> lol
23:57 <@Dagmar> If you make a habit of letting your women run into battle when your enemy doesn't, you get outbred, pure and simple.
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