--- Log opened Tue Oct 07 00:00:48 2014
00:07 < RangerZ> http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=argle01w&word=argle-bargle&text=%5C%CB%8C%C3%A4r-g%C9%99l-%CB%88b%C3%A4r-g%C9%99l%5C I love the internet
00:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Merriam-Webster Pronunciation (at www.merriam-webster.com)
00:26 <@CRasH180> I hate downloading ISO's from Microsoft
00:27 < RangerZ> CRasH180: same, the free ones we get from sparknotes (or w/e its called now) require a bunch of download managers, etc
00:27 < RangerZ> and then you kinda have to 'trick' it into giving you the ISO
00:28 <@CRasH180> Yep bunch of crap. Gone are the easy days of downloading stuff from FTP
00:28 <@CRasH180> Microsoft's FTP site is filled with stuff from 2000 and before
00:28 < RangerZ> I had to explain to a entire room "this is a software program to create virtual drives on your system"
00:28 <@CRasH180> ROFL
00:28 < RangerZ> "you can then 'mount' the ISO as a virtual drive"
00:28 < RangerZ> lol
00:28 <@CRasH180> How do you do that?
00:28 < RangerZ> I was like....wtf... don't you ever steal video games
00:28 < RangerZ> LOL
00:29 <@CRasH180> :|
00:29 <@CRasH180> I don't steal
00:29 < RangerZ> http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html
00:29 <@CRasH180> Oh, I forgot to add, in dumb sounding voice, "I don't steal"
00:30 <@CRasH180> I went to download MS Windows Server 2012 and it sent me executables for System Center. WTF?!
00:30 <@CRasH180> I wasted two freaking days waiting for this BS
00:30 <@CRasH180> Ugh, it is still doing it
00:31 <@CRasH180> Need to go to sleep. Talk to you all tomorrow
00:32 < RangerZ> lol
00:32 < RangerZ> night
00:33 <@CRasH180> Oh, and get this. After I downloaded the ISO's the first time, it took four - five hours by the way, my anti-virus, Avast!, said that the download Manager is downloading a virus to my computer
00:34 <@CRasH180> Would not let me access the files and deleted them for me
00:34 <@CRasH180> Was so pissed
00:43 < RangerZ> ohhh
00:43 < RangerZ> oooo
00:43 < RangerZ> ouch
00:58 < RangerZ> Dagmar: let me know if you need a 2nd 3ds to test out your portable system
01:17 < RangerZ> hahahaha... I just laughed for like 10min straight... a novel i'm reading ... best punishment ever... The guy gets his revenge on two characters he calls "trash" and "bitch" as their nicknames....
01:17 < RangerZ> He gets the queen to legally change their names to those, as their punishment for crimes against the kingdom
01:18 < RangerZ> b/c he was falsely accused of rape and they conspired against him... so after 2 novels... he is acquitted and given the right to decide their punishment (other than death)
02:45 < aestetix> god I hate millennials
02:45 < aestetix> stupid worthless shallow add-ridden adult babies
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03:16 < aestetix> http://chronicle.su/2014/10/hacktivist-weev-found-dead-in-lebanese-gutter/
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03:50 < RangerZ1> hmm
03:50 < RangerZ1> project spark comes out this week
03:50 < RangerZ1> it should be intersting if it gets _anything_ close to minecraft level of fans
03:54 <@Bahhumbug> CRasH180: avast by default will only quarantine the files.  You can disable the filesystem shield and then restore the files from quarantine.
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04:16 < RangerZ2> from the sound of it, he already re-downloaded them though
04:17 < RangerZ2> holy fuck.... someone must have broken sony's website
04:17 < RangerZ2> or hacked them
04:17 < RangerZ2> b/c its responsive and not laggy
04:17 < RangerZ2> watch out.... LOL
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04:51 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfzqUsGMHE0
04:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Introducing Nixie: the first wearable camera that can fly - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
04:51 < RangerZ> yeah... not ever going to work well with our current battery tech
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05:27 < aestetix> I hope that's a reference to nixon
05:27 < aestetix> that would be hilarious
05:41 < aestetix> http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrishamby/government-says-federal-agents-can-impersonate-woman-online?utm_term=3bgq1fs#2uzm9s7
05:41 < aestetix> fucking hypocrisy
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06:00 < RangerZ2> cops can say they can fly too
06:00 < RangerZ2> doesn't make it true
06:00  * RangerZ2 ignores drones and planes
06:01 < RangerZ2> this shit happened over 5 years ago?
06:02 < RangerZ2> " probation officer certified that she had complied with the terms of her sentence " => 5 years probation
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06:07  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:16 <@ignotus-sdf> Morning, peeps...
08:17 <@Evilpig> NO!
08:18 <@CRasH180> morning, yup, it is morning
08:36 <@ignotus-sdf> Well, said. It was strictly for purposes of notation.
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09:35 <@ignotus-sdf> So how is the state of things? I had some technical difficulties physically, so I wasn't around.
09:36 <@Dagmar> It appears to be... morning.
09:43 <@ignotus-sdf> Works for me.
09:44 <@Dagmar> Well, I find it completely unacceptable.
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11:30 <@Evilpig> rofl  http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1ee4/
11:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: ThinkGeek :: Laser Collar Pet Toy (at www.thinkgeek.com)
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11:38 <@Mirage> evil
11:39 <@Dagmar> This is why cats try and kill people in their sleep.
11:41 <@CRasH180> lol
11:41 <@CRasH180> true
11:41 <@CRasH180> I like this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1dbd/
11:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: ThinkGeek :: Flux Capacitor USB Car Charger (at www.thinkgeek.com)
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11:46 <@shapr> oh hai!
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11:47 <@Mirage> you weren't fooling anyone
11:49 <@shapr> :-P
11:50  * shapr hugs klixa 
11:50 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING!
12:03 <@brimstone> i was fooled
12:03 <@brimstone> i thought Guest63016 was a new person
12:03 <@Evilpig> need to leave a box of props outside brimstone's cube so people will always be new while talking to him
12:04 <@Evilpig> how much do they have to change to be a new person?  just a hat?  scarf?  can it be a pair of glasses?
12:05 <@brimstone> hat is preferred over scarf
12:05 <@brimstone> glasses are allowed only if they're thick rimmed
12:05 <@brimstone> you know, superman rules
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12:07 <@Dickie> the original Superman had mind powers
12:11 <@oddball> Superman has had pretty much whatever powers the current writter wanted at the time... and then suddenly didn't if the next writter didn't want them.
12:11 <@Evilpig> time travel
12:12 <@CRasH180> That would be an odd way to live. You mention one bad thing about what the writer is doing to you and they will wipe your mind or kill off your comic book line
12:12 <@Corydon76> Time reversal was a pretty kickass plot device in the first movie
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12:13 <@Corydon76> Well, maybe not kickass.  Maybe just lame.
12:13 <@Evilpig> HoloIRC ?  does that involve force fields and starships?
12:13 <@Evilpig> I'd really hate to see the thoughts of this channel in virtual form.  you'd have aestetix really poluting the visual space with random body parts
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12:27 <@Dagmar> I just finally ordered a RaspPi
12:27 <@brimstone> so proud
12:28 <@oddball> I've been told that I can't have one until I can tell Naienko that I'm getting it for x project.
12:28 <@oddball> Apparently "because it's neat!" isn't good enough.
12:29 <@Dagmar> Do you have a 3DS?
12:31 <@oddball> yep
12:31 <@Dagmar> :)
12:31 <@shapr> I get paid to do cool stuff with Raspberry Pi and Arduino
12:31 <@oddball> Still need to replace the watch battery in it, though.
12:31  * shapr hops cheerfully
12:31 <@Dagmar> You'll have a reason by this weekend
12:31 <@oddball> ummm... ok.
12:31 <@oddball> shapr: nice!
12:31 <@Dagmar> GhostPass
12:31 <@oddball> ah
12:31 <@Dagmar> I finally just said "fuck manual configuration"
12:32 <@shapr> Dagmar: if you use google play all access there's a web-based jukebox for it that runs on the Pi
12:32 <@Dagmar> Gonna just make the damn thing controllable through a web page
12:37 < RangerZ> Dagmar: what wireless usb dongle/other solution are you using?
12:39 <@Dagmar> These RT2571wf USB dongles I have
12:49 <@Mirage> Dagmar: guy here at the office wanted us to pick him up lunch while we were out because he was in a meeting.  He made a huge mistake..I asked what he wanted and he said "Get me whatever you're getting."  =)
12:49 <@Dagmar> lol
12:56 <@Evilpig> Mirage: do tell.  what did you get?
12:56 <@Mirage> http://www.thehippo.net/FredsDowntownPhilly_Menu.pdf
12:56 <@Mirage> #21, 10"
12:57 <@Evilpig> how was that a mistake?
12:57 <@Evilpig> you should have brought him back that liberty bell thing
12:58 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: You apaprently didn't hear about the Jack's Three Meat Lunch
12:58 <@Mirage> Dagmar was in food coma afterward
12:58 <@Dagmar> I made the stupid mistake of thinking that if Troy could eat something, I should be able to eat the same thing
12:58 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: i've been with mirage to jack's and sat on in terror wondering where it all went
12:58 <@Dagmar> I was tasting barbecue until like 9pm that night
13:03 <@Mirage> heh..he finished it.
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13:04 <@NotLarry> looks like the power went out this morning.
13:05 <@Evilpig> Mirage: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1br5jjarcm1tvz/2014-10-07%2013.05.01.jpg?dl=0
13:05 <@Evilpig> now this is some news.  https://blog.plex.tv/2014/10/05/plex-xbox-one-xbox-360/
13:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Plex on the Xbox One and Xbox 360! - Plex Blog : Plex Blog (at blog.plex.tv)
13:08 <@eryc> Evilpig: you gonna pay $5/mo for that?
13:09 <@Evilpig> is that on the xbox side or the plex side?
13:09 <@Evilpig> I'm assuming xbox gold or whatever
13:14 <@Evilpig> eryc: is the $5/mo for the plexpass?  I already have that.  I use it enough I figured i'd support these guys a while back
13:21 <@eryc> yea why don't you spend $150 for lifetime?
13:21 <@Evilpig> I did.  it was 80 back then though
13:27 <@Mirage> http://www.thehippo.net/images/The_Shuylkill_Cheesesteak.jpg
13:27 <@Evilpig> gotta say that looks tasty
13:27 <@Mirage> Evilpig: what do you use for a frontend at home?
13:27 <@Evilpig> my wdtv
13:27 <@Evilpig> I have the xbox there though I might give it a whirl
13:28 <@Mirage> my mythtv box is ancient and in need of rebuilding/updating the OS, etc.  Pondering on looking into Plex
13:28 <@Evilpig> if you're just doing playback it's the way to go
13:29 <@Mirage> I've got all the TV stuff pruned out of my mythtv box since I don't use it to watch/record anymore.
13:29 <@Evilpig> then i'd definitely look at plex
13:30 <@Evilpig> they have a native front end for pretty much every platform
13:30 <@Evilpig> including your favorite
13:30 <@Evilpig> https://downloads.plex.tv/plex-media-server/0.9.10.3.665-c9109e2/PlexMediaServer-0.9.10.3.665-c9109e2-freebsd-amd64.tar.bz2
13:31 <@Mirage> that's for the server, not the frontend...or can they be either?  haven't looked too much into it yet.
13:31 < RangerZ> Mirage: don't do it... mythtv is like a jenga game thats lasted 3 days... weak, wobly, and will fall down if you touch it
13:32 <@Evilpig> https://github.com/plexinc/plex-home-theater-public
13:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: plexinc/plex-home-theater-public · GitHub (at github.com)
13:32 < RangerZ> Mirage: plex has both, a server and a player
13:32 <@Mirage> RangerZ: ??  I've been running myth for _years_
13:32 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: Mirage is really good at jenga
13:32 <@Mirage> www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyZojbYUEA
13:33 < RangerZ> i was mostly joking, I actually didn't really care for mythtv, could never get it to behave properly, and just used rss/torrents instead of broadcast shows, lol
13:33 <@Mirage> So you don't like it because you failed.
13:34 <@Mirage> GateKeeper fail..."Jenga Cat"
13:35 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you didn't talk to it right
13:35 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyZojbYUEA
13:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Jenga Cat - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:38 <@Evilpig> as soon as this rpm finishes i'll update my shit to the latest preview build 
13:39 <@Evilpig> http://www.getlocalization.com/PlexMediaServer/
13:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: PlexMediaServer Translations - Get Localization (at www.getlocalization.com)
13:39 <@Evilpig> this getlocalization site is getting popular
13:42 <@Evilpig> well... maybe not.  three people are using plex right now
13:49 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVCJ5wvBUFs a 30min interview with lessig  starts around 4min in
13:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Majority Report 10/7/14 - Lawrence Lessig: MayDay PAC & Eugenia Williamson: PBS Self-Destructs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:50 < RangerZ> MayDay PAC is backing a 'test' candidate this year
13:57 -!- You're now known as Dickiee
13:57 -!- You're now known as Wilpig
14:01 <@Wilpig> since it's quiet here I think i'm gonna play some more hyrule warriors now
14:10 <@Dagmar> LAME
14:10 <@Dagmar> One of the things I like about the FFTA games is that they don't _end_ at the storyline
14:10 <@Dagmar> Fire Emblem... beat Grima and you're done
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14:24 <@NotLarry> Pretty damn good headline - http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/laboratory-grown-penises-ready-be-tested-humans
14:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans | IFLScience (at www.iflscience.com)
14:31 <@CRasH180> lop and replace
14:33 <@CRasH180> If that does happen to you of course
14:35 < RangerZ> honestly, I'd never thought about it...  but if we're going to start growing body parts... thats likely to be the first
14:36 <@CRasH180> Next will be breasts
14:36 < RangerZ> b/c it doesn't have bones, and trillions of dollars would be spent on buying replacements if it is needed
14:36 <@CRasH180> for cancer patients
14:36 < RangerZ> then breasts
14:36 < RangerZ> yep
14:36 < RangerZ> then penises on foreskinheads
14:36 < RangerZ> lol
14:37 <@CRasH180> egads. I never thought to go there
14:37 < RangerZ> "here, you're a racist skinhead" here is your penis on your forehead
14:37 < RangerZ> actually nvm... some weird freaks might like that
14:38 <@CRasH180> Imagine throwing one of those onto the field at a football game
14:38 < RangerZ> gives a whole new meaning to "giving head"
14:39 <@CRasH180> or, suck my d***
14:40 <@CRasH180> Anyhow. Back to work
14:42 < RangerZ> http://www.fark.com/comments/8442019/India-Pakistan-clash-over-Kashmir-cant-agree-on-whether-it-should-be-machine-washed-dry-cleaned
14:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: FARK.com: (8442019) India and Pakistan clash over Kashmir, cant agree on whether it should be machine washed or dry-cleaned (at www.fark.com)
14:42 < RangerZ> wow....
14:44 < RangerZ> http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2014/10/06/ebola-killing-robot-developed-in-texas/16794187/ yes... b/c any "<x>-killing robot should look like a dalek"
14:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ebola killing robot developed in Texas (at www.wtsp.com)
14:44 <@Dagmar> Is this robotic ebola?
14:45 <@Dickie> Yes.
14:49 <@Dagmar> So... it's a fancy Roomba with a UV strobelight
14:49 <@CRasH180> Until it sucks a person into it and shreds them to bits
14:49 <@CRasH180> I think I have seen way too many horror movies
14:49 <@Dagmar> That would be amusing to me, at least.
14:50 <@Dagmar> I'm guessing they use that because it's less terrifying than the usual wall-mounted high-intensity saturation UV lights that would give you a tan in about two minutes.
14:50 <@Dagmar> ...and probably less expensive to install.
14:53 <@Dagmar> Just got banned from #Minecraft for being a big meanie apparently
14:53 <@ignotus-sdf> Imagine that.
14:53 <@Dagmar> Pardon me for knowing the difference between a paycard vendor and an investment bank
14:53 <@Dagmar> Fucking idiot kids
14:54 <@Dagmar> ...and select adults who should damn well know better.
14:54 <@Dagmar> Someone was upset because their favorite kickstarter had their paypal account temp frozen
14:55 <@Dagmar> I was trying to explain why it is Paypal has to be quick to freeze accounts when something suspicious happens, and those guys have zero idea about financial regulation or even how any of those types of institutions are regulated
14:55 <@Dagmar> ...and as usual, one of them was being a straight up dick and acting like i was just making it all up.
15:01 <@Corydon76> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/7/6927605/welcome-to-endgame-google-worldwide-augmented-reality-game
15:02 <@Dagmar> Not caring until I can install it on my phone
15:02 <@Corydon76> You realize that Niantic is behind that, right?
15:03 <@Dagmar> That's why I'm not giving a fuck until I can install it on my phone
15:03 <@Dagmar> They're wayyy too much Calvinball about that stuff
15:04 <@Dagmar> Anything they say can and likely will change until it's put into software somewhere
15:05 <@Corydon76> Launch party for the app is tonight
15:05 <@Dagmar> Yeah we know
15:07 <@Dagmar> I'm personally hoping there'll be a lot less Calvinball involved.
15:08 <@Corydon76> You're hoping the rules don't change?  Or aren't massively complicated?
15:08 <@Dagmar> I'm hoping the rules won't change on a bloody whim
15:08 <@Wilpig> just got the external drive on my wii-u so hot it shut down
15:08 <@Wilpig> old ass 300 gig maxtor
15:08 <@Mirage> congrats?
15:08 <@Wilpig> was so hot I couldn't touch it. didn't realize it could get that hot
15:09 <@Corydon76> Eh, you just need to burn the nerve endings out of your fingertips
15:11 <@Dagmar> For all the Calvinball iterations they've gone through, they've done nothing to make day-to-day gameplay any more complex than peeing on your territory to mark it
15:18 <@CRasH180> bbl
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15:20 < aestetix> https://medium.com/message/whiteness-3ead03700322
15:24 <@Dagmar> She needs a dose of reality
15:24 <@Dagmar> "This is rap, and we ban it for being violent and about gangs."
15:24 <@Dagmar> I don't know about banning it, but it _is_ largely about being violent gangbanging thugs.
15:26 <@Wilpig> so many fonts and type sizes
15:26 <@Dagmar> There's also rather a lot of shortsightedness going
15:28 <@Dagmar> But hey... why bother to actually attempt to admit that most white people are already as not-racist as they can get
15:31 <@Dagmar> Too many fallacies in that
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15:31 < RangerZ_too_lazy> damn it... /nick RangerZ_too_lazy_to_setup_screen was too long
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15:32 <@Mirage> RangerZ|feelingl: yeah, screen's pretty f'n hard to get configured..
15:32 < RangerZ|lazy> jesus... last time I play with trying to make plugins
15:32 < RangerZ|lazy> Mirage: actually I'm on windows
15:32 < RangerZ|lazy> so yeah... i would be a hassle
15:32 <@Mirage> So am I...
15:32 < RangerZ|lazy> I don't have a spare box I leave running at the house anymore to run linux on
15:32 <@Mirage> I just connect to a *nix host and reconnect to my screen.
15:32 <@Mirage> use dogberry
15:32 <@Mirage> =)
15:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I don't appreciate that while she says "whites important and bred slaves" she fails to recognize who the fuck they were bought from in the first place.
15:33 <@Mirage> or maybe suck up to Evilpig or someone else running a *nix host
15:33 <@Dagmar> It makes it sound like at that point in time that white people were the only ones engaged in slavery
15:33 < RangerZ|lazy> nah, it doesn't really bother me, except I don't feel like reaching the 8ft to my laptop... to disconnect from there
15:34 <@Mirage> Dagmar: whites masquerading as african tribal members
15:34 <@Dagmar> Mirage: What...wearing a lot of show polish?
15:34 <@Dagmar> s/show/shoe/
15:34 <@Mirage> of course
15:34 <@Mirage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
15:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Black Like Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:35 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, you'll enjoy this.  I recently learned that not only is it impossible to be racist against white people, but it's also impossible to be sexist against men and that advising young female con-goers that going to a stranger's room alone is a bad idea is blaming the victim.
15:35 <@Dagmar> I think we should just short-circuit this whole load of crap with "Hitler was white.  Nuff said."
15:35 <@Corydon76> Somehow, I don't recall that the French sold captured English soldiers into slavery or vice versa during the Hundred Years War
15:35 <@Dagmar> oddball: To hell with stupid people.
15:35 < RangerZ|lazy> oddball: anyone saying that is trolling hard
15:35 <@Mirage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin
15:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Idi Amin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:35 < RangerZ|lazy> and perhaps drank the coolaid on it too
15:36 <@oddball> Corydon76: The English sure as hell had Irish slaves.
15:36 <@Dagmar> ...as did the French
15:36 <@Wilpig> oddball: where did you learn just wise con advice?
15:36 <@oddball> RangerZ|lazy: Nope.  They were serious.
15:36 < RangerZ|lazy> there are papers writting in English parliment at the time, promoting the use of African slaves, b/c people would treat them better than Irish slaves
15:36 < RangerZ|lazy> b/c African Slaves at least cost money to get
15:36 <@Corydon76> oddball: wasn't that a practice of indentured servitude, though, not selling POWs?
15:37 <@Dagmar> Making captured soldiers into slaves just isn't something that was regularly done in the western world
15:37 <@oddball> Wilpig: In a Dragoncon FB thread.
15:37 <@oddball> Corydon76: Straight up slavery.  Not indentured servitude or use of POW's.
15:38 <@Mirage> Slave trading then was about like "Bllod Diamonds" now, except that they were not only funding the war with the sales, but they were also ridding themselves of their enemies.
15:38 <@Mirage> s/Bllod/Blood/
15:38 <@oddball> Dagmar: Eh... depends on what time frame you're talking about.  There were times that it very much was common.
15:38 <@Corydon76> oddball: and it is impossible to be racist against white people.  Someone can be prejudiced, but it is not the same thing to have 300 years of societal disadvantages
15:39 <@oddball> bullshit
15:39 < aestetix> Corydon76: I'm pretty sure the world has been around longer than 300 years.
15:39 <@Mirage> The romans regularly made slaves of conquered people.
15:39 <@Corydon76> The whole point of racism is that there are institutional disadvantages to having nonwhite skin
15:39 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: do you have proof?
15:39 < aestetix> Yeah hold on.
15:39 < RangerZ|lazy> any proof the world is over 300 years old, is lies by the devil
15:39 < aestetix> http://www.tinyurl.com/phreaknic18
15:39 <@oddball> Thanks for redefining english words to fit your agenda.
15:39 < aestetix> there you go
15:40 < RangerZ|lazy> damn... you win
15:40 < RangerZ|lazy> that page has ancient ideas
15:40 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
15:41 <@Corydon76> oddball: Well, unfortunately for your argument, I'm not the one redefining words
15:41 <@oddball> racism is prejudice based on race.  period.
15:41 <@Corydon76> No, it's more than that
15:41 <@oddball> I tend to go by the fucking dictionary.
15:41 < RangerZ|lazy> its based on economics
15:41 <@Corydon76> Whose dictionary?
15:42 < RangerZ|lazy> "this person looks different than me", "I can use this person for my own benefit"
15:42 < RangerZ|lazy> = "slavery"
15:42 < RangerZ|lazy> hell "looks different than me" is optional too
15:42 <@oddball> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
15:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (at www.merriam-webster.com)
15:42 <@Corydon76> Merriam Webster:  "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
15:43 <@Corydon76> Simply being discriminated against by your skin color is NOT racism, according to Merriam Webster
15:43 < RangerZ|lazy> Corydon76: you just fucking killed your own arguement, but you know what, you're not going to realize that
15:43 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: Read the damn definition
15:44 <@oddball> Wait.  I forgot.  Even if you rub Corydon76's nose in proof that he's wrong, he won't admit it.
15:44 <@Corydon76> Being discriminated against due to your skin color is NOT racism.
15:44 < RangerZ|lazy> I'm fucking _syntactically parsing_ the definition, and I don't see how oddball is wrong
15:44 <@oddball> 2: racial prejudice or discrimination
15:44 < RangerZ|lazy> "racism is prejudice based on race.  period."
15:44 < RangerZ|lazy> where did he say 'skin color'
15:45 <@Corydon76> Racism is about a belief that one race is superior to another
15:46 < RangerZ|lazy> no...
15:46 < RangerZ|lazy> now YOU are interjecting into the definition
15:46 <@Corydon76> Unless I missed something, somewhere, I've never heard the claim made that the black race is superior to the white race.
15:46 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: Read the goddamn definition.  It's right there.
15:47 <@oddball> Ok... so you're claiming that no one has ever been prejudice against white people?
15:47 < RangerZ|lazy> "a belief that race_Doesn't say a SINGLE race here does it?_ is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race_again here it doesn't say THEIR OWN RACE_"
15:47 < RangerZ|lazy> which is what you are implying
15:47 <@oddball> Cause that's the fucking definition.
15:47 <@Corydon76> "and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority"
15:48 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: show me where blacks believe that ANY race is inherently superior to another.
15:48 < RangerZ|lazy> also... who fucking cares if the definition might not be 100% accurate to fit the roles it needs to,...
15:48 < RangerZ|lazy> of course you can be racist against the majority
15:48 <@Dickie> Nation of Islam.
15:48 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: And now you're ignoring the definition because it doesn't suit you
15:49 <@oddball> hell, there are black people that think lesser of other black people for not being "black enough."
15:49 < RangerZ|lazy> a german going into poland could be racists against polish, despite being the minority there
15:49 <@Corydon76> oddball: that's still not believing that one race is superior to another
15:49 <@Dickie> What are you nerds fussing about now?
15:49 < RangerZ|lazy> no, I'm not ignoring it, I just don't think it really matters that much, but i felt like pointing out to you, that your own definition didn't really back your arguement as well as you wanted it to.
15:49 <@Dickie> I see we've got our dictionaries out.
15:50 < RangerZ|lazy> if a german nazi went to africa, could they be racist against africans?
15:50 <@Corydon76> So first, you refer to the dictionary; now you want to ignore the dictionary
15:50 < RangerZ|lazy> if so, then yes, you can be racist against the majority
15:50 <@oddball> No.  I refered to the dictionary.... and I'm still pointing at it.
15:50 < RangerZ|lazy> Corydon76: I didn't refer to the dictionary at all, that was oddball, learn to play this game better
15:50 <@Corydon76> No, you CAN be prejudiced.  But prejudice and racism are not the same thing
15:50 <@Mirage> I've worked in places with African Americans and Africans, and I can definitely verify that the African Americans I worked with looked down on and had issues with the Africans.
15:50 <@oddball> You need to actually read the fucker.
15:51 < RangerZ|lazy> I refered to your quote about the dictionary , thats all, not that I agreed that a dictionary definition is the end-all of the discussion
15:51 <@oddball> And tell me how the hell that means "to everyone except white people."
15:52 <@Corydon76> You know the funny thing is that a bunch of white nerds are arguing about racism
15:52 <@SuMo_D> ^^^ that
15:52 <@Corydon76> None of us having experienced it first hand
15:52 < RangerZ|lazy> oddball: how about this, why don't we just say "sure Corydon76 you're right, then lets use a new word instead of 'racism' if he wants how about "racial bigotry" hows that " ?
15:52 < RangerZ|lazy> just to make him happy
15:53 < RangerZ|lazy> Corydon76: actually my family has
15:53 <@oddball> He'll just change the definition of that.
15:53 < RangerZ|lazy> but thanks for playing the game
15:53 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: how about "prejudice" which actually means what you're talking about?
15:54 < RangerZ|lazy> "thats the cliff we throw blacks and catholics off of" was told to my catholic grandmother in NC in the 60s , and he wasn't kidding, he didn't realize she was catholic, b/c she married into a WASP household
15:54 <@oddball> Yes... if only there was a word for prejudice based on race.... oh wait!
15:54 <@Wilpig> official tumblr dc meeting.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/hy8q6mma8s48npi/Screen%20Shot%202014-10-07%20at%203.53.33%20PM.png?dl=0
15:54 < RangerZ|lazy> and once that was found out, b/c she was irish , she wasn't allowed to drive the car in public there
15:54 <@Dagmar> THis is wordgames.
15:54 < RangerZ|lazy> yep
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15:55 <@Dagmar> It's a lame ass attempt to conflate 'racism' from common parlance with 'racism' from the sociological technical lexicon.
15:56 < RangerZ|lazy> how else is a dictionary definition fight, going to help one side or the other?
15:56 < RangerZ|lazy> geeze
15:56 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: is religious bigotry like that still common?
15:56 <@Corydon76> Yes, because we call ourselves "hackers" and try to distinguish that from common parlance.
15:56 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: this was the 60s, so I dunoo
15:56 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: also, not publically
15:56 < aestetix> It's interesting because the whole anti-catholic stuff doesn't really exist in the bay area. I wonder if that's because nobody talks about religion here.
15:56 <@Dagmar> So stick with common parlance, then
15:57 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: where "hacker" means criminal?  No thank you.
15:57 < RangerZ|lazy> I've spent time with a friend, and her family tried to have an 'intervention' about christ with me when they found out I was agnostic (didn't actually feel like getting into deism with them)
15:57 <@Dagmar> We're not sociologists
15:57 < RangerZ|lazy> just sociopaths
15:57 <@Dagmar> ...and we can have a conversation with non-hackers without having to stop and digress to argue about the definition of 'hacker' every fifteen minutes.
15:58 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: then when I said "ohh I'm catholic just not practicing", it made it worse, b/c they were southern baptist...
15:58 < RangerZ|lazy> I personally lump Catholics in within  the Christian denominations, but a lot of evangelicals hate that
15:58 <@SuMo_D> aestetix that might be part of it but probably more relying on the history of the regions ethinc and religious groups and the founding of certain areas out east being a lot more complex
15:59 < aestetix> SuMo_D: very true.
15:59 <@Corydon76> Especially since Catholics were the original Christians?
15:59 < aestetix> Corydon76: that's not true.
15:59 <@Corydon76> aestetix: they weren't?
15:59 < RangerZ|lazy> b/c "christ is the son of god and embodyment of the holy spirit" vs "christ is the son of god, and the embodyment of god himself" are SOOOOO fucking different </sarcasm>
15:59 <@Mirage> I thought Jews were the original christians
15:59 < aestetix> Catholics *claim* that. But we wouldn't have Catholics if the Coptics hadn't kept the Church alive ;)
15:59 <@oddball> what aestetix said.
16:00 <@Corydon76> That's okay, the evangelicals don't like the Coptics, either
16:00 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure Cathoics were not the "original Christians"
16:00 <@Dagmar> That title is more properly attributed to _the Jews_, who generally got over it rather quicktly.
16:00 <@Dagmar> @#$@$ keys
16:01 <@oddball> And I think the Eastern Orthodoxy goes roughly back as far.
16:01 < RangerZ|lazy> the "original christians that lost the inner-christian-wars pre council of nicea, who went on to found the catholic church" - were the catholics/first christians
16:01 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:01 <@Corydon76> Since the Catholics assign the first pope to St. Peter, they've got as much claim to being the first Christians as anybody else
16:01 < RangerZ|lazy> sorry s/lost/didn't die
16:01 < aestetix> oddball: at one point the Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholics were the same.
16:01 <@oddball> right
16:01 <@oddball> That's what I was thinking.
16:02 < aestetix> IIRC the split happened over whether praying to an image of Jesus was also praying to Jesus
16:02 < RangerZ|lazy> gnostic christians were actually among the first christians
16:02 < RangerZ|lazy> but they were exterminated by the churches at the time, b/c they believed in spirtialism following christ's words, and not the old-testiment
16:03 < aestetix> SuMo_D: and yeah, the bay area seems to love to throw out any and all tradition. Which includes throwing out the lessons those traditions teach.
16:03 < RangerZ|lazy> so they all had to be killed... b/c we can't have people thinking for themselves and not attending a church
16:04 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: the problme with the bay area is... almost nothing is older than 100 years
16:04 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: that's another issue with it yes.
16:04 < RangerZ|lazy> b/c of the fire in early 190(5?)
16:04 < aestetix> I was just in Boston. It was so nice to be around buildings that have been there for +400 years
16:04 <@oddball> aestetix: To answer your question, I think overt prejudice against catholics is pretty much dead in the US.  May still have some folks frowning on their kids dating a catholic, but...
16:05 < aestetix> oddball: I think JFK helped with that.
16:05 < RangerZ|lazy> oddball is correct, JFK's assassination stopped 'overt' racism about that
16:05 <@oddball> Well, excepting the crazy evangelical types that think you're going to hell if you don't believe in their specific brand of religion.
16:06 <@Corydon76> We seem to have a few of those around here
16:06 <@oddball> yep
16:06 <@oddball> Southern Baptist and Church of Christ churches tend to attract/breed them.
16:06 < RangerZ|lazy> also, WW2 is what really stopped most Europeans from more-so identifying with their heritage than with "american"
16:07 < RangerZ|lazy> from my understanding
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16:07 <@oddball> We also have snake handlers around her.
16:07 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: the civil war helped too
16:07 <@Corydon76> What's funny is the Southern Baptists think the CoC is going to hell, and vice versa
16:07 < aestetix> But yeah, WW2 changed a lot of things.
16:07 < RangerZ|lazy> yeah, that really started it, but I was reading ww1 pushed it and ww2 ended it
16:07 <@Dagmar> People are dicks.
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> not yet
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> but just wait untilt hey can get then implanted on their foreheads
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:08 <@oddball> RangerZ|lazy: And that stopped a lot of it, since protestant in the US were typically of English or French decent, while Catholic typically meant Italian, Irish, eastern Europe.
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> yep
16:08 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: I was thinking that the development is actually more beneficial for gender reassignment surgery
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> then you have greeks
16:08 < RangerZ|lazy> and russians
16:09 < RangerZ|lazy> two crazy/corupt civs with their "orthodox" religions
16:09 < RangerZ|lazy> LOL
16:09  * RangerZ|lazy writes a note to tease my russian lab partner about that
16:09 <@Corydon76> Imagine if we could grow and implant ovaries and a womb into a MTF transgender person
16:09 < aestetix> And then a generation of kids who hate "religion" because they are actually mad at their parents for helicoptering them
16:09 < RangerZ|lazy> damn it... its still fucking raining here
16:10 < RangerZ|lazy> thats like an entire day
16:10 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: I hate you
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16:10 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:10 < RangerZ|lazy> ohh yeah...
16:10 < RangerZ|lazy> forgot about you
16:11 < aestetix> 165 days since rain
16:11 < aestetix> http://www.sfgate.com/drought/
16:11 < RangerZ|lazy> oooo
16:11 <@Dagmar> Man it's raining here right now
16:11 < RangerZ|lazy> ouch
16:11 <@NotLarry> ok, I feel like I'm dating the biometric scanner.  "move finger to the left, move finger to the right, move finger forward, press harder."
16:12 < RangerZ|lazy> NotLarry: lets be honest, your wife had to tell you the same thing when you started dating
16:12 <@oddball> aestetix: I would send you a picture so you remembered what rain looked like, but it *just* stopped.
16:16 < RangerZ|lazy> http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/cctv/cctvnash/live/CCTV_096.jpg
16:16 < RangerZ|lazy> some little drizzle for you aestetix
16:16 < RangerZ|lazy> and unlike san fran... thats not scary
16:18  * aestetix cries
16:21 < RangerZ|lazy> hmmm
16:21 < RangerZ|lazy> may 2010 had... 16.43 in  of rainfall in Nashville
16:21 < RangerZ|lazy> record setting monthy record
16:22 < RangerZ|lazy> wonder what happened that month...
16:22 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
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16:22 < RangerZ|lazy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Tennessee_floods the radar map alone would make aestetix cry even more right now
16:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2010 Tennessee floods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:23 <@oddball> Oh yeah... that was fun.  The first weekend of that month saw the most rainfall for those specific days, the most for a single day, the most for a weekend, and we exceeded the record rainfall for the month.
16:24 < RangerZ|lazy> Nashville reported 7.21 inches of rain in 24 hours
16:24 < RangerZ|lazy> the next day 6.6 in
16:24 < RangerZ|lazy> "Seattle's all time record, by comparison, is 5.03"
16:24 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:25 < RangerZ|lazy> whats funny is... I was here in june, when they were STILL drying out the datacenter
16:25 < RangerZ|lazy> i mean....
16:25 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:25 <@oddball> And I knew people that blamed the government for not properly preparing for that kind of rainfall.
16:26 < RangerZ|lazy> lets all give pope jonnyx some congrats for learning how to use the mailing list again
16:26 < RangerZ|lazy> LOL
16:27 <@oddball> yay!
16:27 < RangerZ|lazy> also... he doesn't like it if you call him the pope , or say "i'm not trying to de-thrown you"
16:27 < RangerZ|lazy> FYI in case anyone was curious
16:29 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|lazy: he's always known how to use it, he just refuses to answer questions that he didn't generate
16:32 < RangerZ|lazy> i dunno.... he's been acting like he's a new vandy freshmen who hasn't learned what IRC is yet
16:33 < RangerZ|lazy> but then he'd have to communicate , and that would be horrible
16:33 <@Dickie> wtf is IRC? That like ICQ?
16:33 <@Wilpig> yes, Dickie.
16:33 <@Corydon76> Yeah, only older and less relevant
16:33 <@Wilpig> just like jonnyx!
16:35 < RangerZ|lazy> Wilpig: don't be mean to Dagmar and jonnyx
16:35 <@Wilpig> I didn't mention dagmar
16:35 <@NotLarry> Wait, wifi at phreaknic is $10-$15/day?
16:35 < RangerZ|lazy> what...
16:35 <@NotLarry> If I'm local and don't preregister a room by today.
16:37 < RangerZ|lazy> I'm so glad I keep getting great reasons to try and force myself to go to PN this years :/
16:37 <@oddball> Wait... people use the wifi at PN?
16:37 < RangerZ|lazy> year*
16:37 <@NotLarry> no, that is just crazy talk.
16:37 <@brimstone> i use the wifi
16:37 <@Wilpig> oddball: yes
16:37 <@Wilpig> and it's led to great stories over the years
16:37 <@brimstone> i'm so ready to watch the event burn
16:38 < RangerZ|lazy> I like to visit shock sites, when connected to wep wifi , that way I can troll with people sniffing
16:38 <@oddball> heh
16:43 <@Dickie> I used the wifi once. Someone told me to go to porn, it rerouted me to disney or some shit
16:43 <@Dickie> A+++
16:45 <@Dagmar> Wait... people _pay_ for wifi?
16:45 <@Dagmar> lol
16:45 < RangerZ|lazy> redirect all traffic to NSA.gov
16:45 <@Dickie> heh
16:45 < RangerZ|lazy> Dagmar: a LOT , you'd be surprised
16:46 <@Corydon76> At Opryland Hotel, $1000 per day, according to the FCC
16:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm so enjoying that the FCC came down on their asses for that
16:47 < RangerZ|lazy> "what has the federal gov't ever done for me"... protect the public airwaves from jamming
16:47 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
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16:49 <@Dagmar> They're just lucky I was never at an event there
16:49 < RangerZ|lazy> but yeah, thats some BS, and I'm glad the FCC stepped in
16:49 <@Dagmar> ...because once the door to "let's send hard-to-trace deauth packets out" is open and I'm pissed, I will win.
16:49 <@Dagmar> I will send out *lots* of deauth packets.
16:50 <@Dagmar> ...until they decide their equipment is malfunctioning and stop that shit.
16:50 < aestetix> god
16:50 < RangerZ|lazy> yes my child?
16:50 < aestetix> I hate when a company redesigns their system and it all goes to shit
16:51 < RangerZ|lazy> phreaknic isn't a company
16:51 < RangerZ|lazy> its a non-profit ran event
16:51 < RangerZ|lazy> for profit of dink's company
16:51 < aestetix> I was not talking about phreaknic
16:53 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:57 < RangerZ|lazy> best part about not having classes anymore... just being able to sit at home and work from home on a day like this, just sit on the porch and watch and listen to the rain fall, while I do some reading of journal articles
16:58 < aestetix> god I hate you
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16:58 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
16:58 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So... three refactors later, I'm using a fifo to communicate with the daemon
16:58 < RangerZ|lazy> huh?
16:59 <@Dagmar> ...which is now in fuckin' perl
16:59 < RangerZ|lazy> mythbuntu?
16:59 <@Dagmar> No, ghostpass
16:59 < RangerZ|lazy> ohh
16:59 <@Dagmar> It'll be a fuckton easier to communicate with the damn web interface that way
17:00 < RangerZ|lazy> as much as I hate python, b/c you can't at compile time gaurentee what fucking data your methods will be fed...  its great for short little one-off scripts like that, as long as you document then well
17:00 < RangerZ|lazy> but perl works if you are an evil evil person...
17:00 < RangerZ|lazy> ohh wait... nvm
17:01 <@Dagmar> Well, in this case I've got to have communication going between the (root-level) daemon and the (user-level) web interface
17:01 <@Dagmar> Both directions.
17:01 <@Dagmar> ...and only some of it needs to be synchronous
17:02 < RangerZ|lazy> I've pretty much given up on writing sync code whenever possible
17:02 < RangerZ|lazy> async is just so much easier to program
17:02 <@Dagmar> Well, in this case I need to be able to issue commands to the daemon from the web interface
17:02 < RangerZ|lazy> well... harder to _program the first time_ but easier to program with when using a middleware/library code
17:03 <@Dagmar> ...and the web interface needs to be able to poll to find out "where" things presently are
17:03 < RangerZ|lazy> but yeah
17:03 <@Dagmar> The only thing I don't care for is that there'll be a lot of writes to the sdcard media I'd rather avoid
17:03 <@Dagmar> Still working on reducing that number
17:03 < RangerZ|lazy> certain data channels require synch :/
17:04 < RangerZ|lazy> what about a look up table in memory
17:04 <@Dagmar> The eventual result being you'll just fire the thing up and go to http://ghost.pass
17:05 < RangerZ|lazy> nice
17:05 < RangerZ|lazy> bbiab
17:16 < aestetix> If you stick a funnel in your butt and fart, does that make the fart sound louder?
17:20 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: your girlfriend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8mhDW6Shs
17:26 < aestetix> It's so obvious she's reading off a teleprompter
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17:35 < aestetix> Interesting, she directly attacked 4chan
17:35 < aestetix> I hope moot responds to this
17:59 < RangerZ|lazy> nah
17:59 < RangerZ|lazy> moot has given in
18:00 < RangerZ|lazy> allowing DMCA takedowns, and having people close threads about doxing
18:00 < RangerZ|lazy> the DMCA thing sucks... but you have to do it
18:00 < RangerZ|lazy> the doxing stuff, should have been covered under the DMCA... but privacy isn't a valid reason for DMCA AFAIK
18:01 < RangerZ|lazy> aestetix: also, the fart noise probably wouldn't happen if you had gas and a funnel in your ass, it'd be like when you get tubes put in your ears, it prevents the buildup of pressure in the first place, so no 'popping'
18:02 < aestetix> the doxing one is tricky
18:02 < aestetix> the DMCA takedowns are required by law
18:03 < aestetix> I think we need to change the law, but that's what it is right now
18:05 < aestetix> RangerZ|lazy: if we treated all data like we treat HIPAA data, would doxing become a felony?
18:07 < RangerZ|lazy> the phone book would at least
18:07 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
18:08 < aestetix> lol
18:08 < aestetix> The phone book has limited data though
18:09 < aestetix> Although I wonder, if someone proposed making phone books now, if it would be considered a threat to personal safety
18:10 < RangerZ|lazy> honestly, they are just grandfathered
18:11 < aestetix> It's interesting though. On the one hand, you have all these idiots posting stuff about themselves on Facebook. On the other hand, paranoia over personal info.
18:12 < aestetix> anyways
18:12 < aestetix> adding "Sarkeesian" to my twitter filter now
18:16 < aestetix> which now has something like 30 words in it
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18:36 <@Wilpig> I've finished!  it's glorious!  my plants will survive the winter!
18:36 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sf16gtyw4kprcf/2014-10-07%2018.30.23.jpg?dl=0   <-- plants
18:36 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2c8sc41uj5l9seg/2014-10-07%2018.31.38.jpg?dl=0 <-- safe plants
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> <@Corydon76> None of us having experienced it first hand
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> Bullshit.
18:37 <@Corydon76> Bahhumbug: Oh, I'm sorry.  I didn't realize you were black.
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Try growing up in any large metro area in the north.  There is discrimination against whites which by all definitions (not yours because you're always right about everything even when you're not) is racism.
18:38 <@Bahhumbug> (Yeah, it's a few hours late on a reply.  Tough)
18:38 <@Corydon76> Again, nobody here has experienced racism first hand
18:38 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: like when I lived in Baltimore?
18:38 < aestetix> Man that was something else
18:38 < RangerZ|lazy> FYI, 2.99 gas at the kroger in east nashville on 2011 gallatin pike
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18:39 <@Bahhumbug> And again you're FUCKING WRONG.
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps you might want to take a step back, stfu, and realize you aren't always right.
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Just because YOU didn't experience it counts for dick.
18:40 < RangerZ|lazy> ohh lookie
18:40 < aestetix> Corydon76: ever been the only white guy in a room full of black people?
18:40 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Yes, actually
18:40 < RangerZ|lazy> @define racism
18:40 < RangerZ|lazy> damn...
18:40 < aestetix> I think it's worth noting that racism is different from racial oppression
18:41 <@Corydon76> Did the black kids think their race made them superior?  No.
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> @google define racism
18:41 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism>; Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism>; racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (American English ...: <http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/racism>; Racism - Wikipedia, the free (2 more messages)
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.
18:41 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|lazy: the worshiping of foot races
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> They did.
18:41 < RangerZ|lazy> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
18:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (at www.merriam-webster.com)
18:41 < aestetix> Corydon76: there's two ways to look at it, I think.
18:41 < aestetix> One is "I am better than you", the other is "I am different from you"
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> You live in this little fucking world.  Too bad that's not the real world.
18:41 < RangerZ|lazy> 1) "the belief that some races of people are better than others" 2) "poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race" 3) "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> And don't you dare presume to tell me what I did or did not experience.
18:41 < aestetix> IE "you don't belong here"
18:41 < RangerZ|lazy> if we want to play dictionary definitions...
18:42 <@Wilpig> aestetix: we tell you that all the time. ;)  
18:42 < aestetix> Wilpig: karma is a bitch
18:42 <@Corydon76> aestetix: yes, but difference is not racism
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> It boils down to "Corydon76 is wrong and is too pigheaded to ever admit it."  It's idiotic and quite frankly you should be embarassed.
18:42 < RangerZ|lazy> but Corydon76 I used the definition or racism
18:42 < RangerZ|lazy> but....but... definition....
18:43 <@Wilpig> HEY!  we don't allow logic in here!  leave that shit at the door!
18:43 < aestetix> Corydon76: what about treating someone badly because they are different than you?
18:43 <@Corydon76> aestetix: still not racism
18:43 < aestetix> That said, I think one of the bedrocks of racial oppression is dehumanization.
18:44 <@Dagmar> Either you're speaking in common parlance or you're speaking using the sociology term 'racism'.
18:44 <@Dagmar> Considering that we're not sociologists and this isn't some kind of dissertation, using the latter without being explicit is _weak_
18:45 <@Corydon76> and thank you, Bahhumbug, for retreading an argument that was over hours ago
18:45 <@Bahhumbug> Wah.
18:45 <@Bahhumbug> Cry more.
18:45 <@Corydon76> Fucking senile bastard
18:45 <@Bahhumbug> Had I been here I would have called you out on your ignorance then.
18:46 <@Corydon76> Take your Geritol on a regular basis, and maybe you would have been here
18:46  * Dickie throws a chair
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry.  I work.
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> I can't be here 24x7 to call you out.
18:46 < aestetix> I just made a new word
18:46 < aestetix> bum + trumpet = bumpet
18:46 <@Dickie> I hate it
18:46 <@Wilpig> I kinda like it
18:47 <@Wilpig> can you use it in a sentence?
18:47 < RangerZ|lazy> except...
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18:47 < RangerZ|lazy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpQGeU2IrUk
18:47 <@Dickie> Bahhumbug: don't pull that shit. "I work" is just "I'm better than you". Just say it and be done with it.
18:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: How i "bumpet" my hair - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not better than anyone here or anywhere else.
18:47 < RangerZ|lazy> lies
18:47 < RangerZ|lazy> you're better than weev
18:47 <@Dickie> Everyone else here works.
18:47 <@Wilpig> I'm better than Bahhumbug.  I'll admit it
18:47 < aestetix> why would anyone want to "bumpet" their hair
18:47 <@Wilpig> I'm fuckin' amazeballs
18:47 < aestetix> That's the worst kind of blowdryer
18:48 <@Dickie> I've got to be better than at least one of you
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> A cockroach is better than weev; so yes, you're right.  I am better than a racist cunt like weev.
18:48 <@Dickie> Law of averages
18:48 < aestetix> I guess that made Corydon mad
18:48 < RangerZ|lazy> broken clock isn't wrong twice a day
18:49 < aestetix> Or maybe he had to go use his bumpet
18:49 < RangerZ|lazy> unless its digital, then its always wrong
18:49 <@Wilpig> wow.  he emo quit again?
18:49 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: how is your bumpet?
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck him.
18:49 <@Wilpig> http://www.bighappiehair.com/
18:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bumpits - Hair Volumnizing Inserts - BUMP IT UP! (at www.bighappiehair.com)
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> Maybe this time he'll stay away.
18:50 <@Wilpig> this place is like cancer, just when you think you've gotten over it you get it back
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> He's one of the brightest people I've come into contact with.  He's also the single most pig-headed.  I've never, ever seen him admit to being wrong.
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> I'm stubborn as hell, but even I can admit to being wrong.
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> He might want to learn that trait at some point.
18:51 < RangerZ|lazy> he was just being fucking stubborn, and wouldn't admit that 'his' interpretation, isn't accurate for what 'racism' is, when compared to most dicitionary definitions, or common understandings
18:51 <@Wilpig> is he becoming a sjw?
18:51 < RangerZ|lazy> no
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> stupid jackass ....
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> Got nothing for 'w'
18:52 < aestetix> here's an example of racism: I get a different price for a car repair because i'm not black
18:52 < RangerZ|lazy> b/c he's fucking that up, if he's trying
18:52 < aestetix> or is that not racist
18:52 <@Dagmar> It's not racist
18:52 <@Dagmar> Car salesmen are greedy shits
18:52 < aestetix> lol
18:52 <@Dagmar> You'd see an even higher price if you went in as a female wearing nice clothes
18:53 <@Dagmar> I guarantee you there's no "white guy discounts" on cars
18:53 < aestetix> Is there a discount if she gives the salesman a blowjob?
18:53 <@Dagmar> According to some websites there is
18:54 <@Wilpig> aestetix: that's a white woman discount and they mark that shit up before hand so the discount is still full price
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> So.... the group code expires... tonight?
18:59 < RangerZ|lazy> yeah
18:59 < RangerZ|lazy> might have already done so at 5pm, but who knows
19:00 <@Bahhumbug> What happens if the room quota isn't met?
19:00 < RangerZ|lazy> probably midnight , since I'm betting they just let the booking computer handle it
19:00 < RangerZ|lazy> Nashville 2600 is in the whole
19:00 < RangerZ|lazy> hole*
19:01 < RangerZ|lazy> thought up two entire answers to that... and fucked up both of them
19:01 < RangerZ|lazy> Nashville 2600 has a whole lot of debt
19:01 < RangerZ|lazy> lol
19:02 < RangerZ|lazy> but none of us have seen the contract, and when I asked friday at the meeting about it, all I got from the "whisper corner" and I kid you not, thats what they were doing... is "its fine"
19:02 < RangerZ|lazy> so 'ehh'
19:02 <@Wilpig> haha whisper corner
19:04  * Bahhumbug strongly suspects PN18 will be the end of the road.
19:04 <@Bahhumbug> Oh well.
19:04  * Bahhumbug goes off to deal with dinner.
19:04 <@Wilpig> they have enough speakers publicized to fill friday and saturday
19:04 <@Wilpig> I've seen enough folks asking questions that there will be attendance
19:05 <@Wilpig> since I haven't seen the contract I can only speculate on the amount of space they have and how they plan to make it feel not empty
19:05 <@Wilpig> they've dedicate a room to foss fest?  so....  howard sitting in there with a laptop offering help with *nix?
19:06 <@Wilpig> the makers are going, I would not bet on maker pancakes though
19:07 <@Wilpig> while those have become a regular and fun thing the hotel WILL have a problem with it
19:07 <@Wilpig> guaranteed.
19:07 < RangerZ|lazy> Wilpig: I'm not kidding or exagerationg, they sat at one corner/end of the dining room table in JJ's near the coffee bar, and just kinda talked in hushed tones to each other
19:07 <@Wilpig> wish I was around i wouldn't tolerate that nonsense
19:07 < RangerZ|lazy> then they all just stood up and walked away, without a word to the rest of the table
19:07 <@Wilpig> I enjoy making shit like that stop
19:08 < RangerZ|lazy> the only reason I even know about the room thing, is I stared directly at him asking him about it
19:08 <@Wilpig> any idea on who they have running a "lock pick village" ?
19:08 <@Wilpig> considering the reason we've shot that shit down the last several years was the bad bad laws around picks in TN
19:08 < RangerZ|lazy> probably nlug or atlanta people
19:08 < RangerZ|lazy> b/c thats all they talk about are those two groups
19:08  * brimstone perks up
19:09 <@Wilpig> anything that comes down to the officer on site's discretion is HORRIBLE!
19:09 <@Wilpig> that means his mood determines if you're going to jail or just get told to make them get lost
19:09 < RangerZ|lazy> yeah, I never take my picks out of the house , b/c of the laws on them here in TN
19:09 < RangerZ|lazy> in ohio if you are part of a lock picking group, its fine
19:09 <@Wilpig> this isn't speculation either, I actually asked both VUPD and nashville metro
19:09 < RangerZ|lazy> lock-sport, etc
19:09 <@Wilpig> two different occasions
19:10 <@Wilpig> in TN picks are considered buglery tools
19:10 < RangerZ|lazy> just having them can be 'preparing to commit a crime'
19:11 <@Bahhumbug> This is a thing?  A lock picking panel/seminar/whatever?
19:13 <@Wilpig> panel/talk/video is okay
19:13 <@Dagmar> It used to be a thing, and then people discovered blood pressure cuffs
19:13 <@Wilpig> having any kind of workshop or tools are not
19:13 <@Bahhumbug> It's a stupid thing, to be frank.
19:14 <@Wilpig> they're fun to play with
19:14 <@Wilpig> sitting around a table with geeks playing with picks opening padlocks is amusing
19:14 <@Wilpig> I fully endorse this as entertainment.  just not in TN
19:14 <@Bahhumbug> I've got a pick set from years ago buried out in the garage.  I've no use for it.  If/when I dig it up it's available to whomever wants it.
19:16 <@Wilpig> Dickie!  post shit where you don't need a facebook account for it.  https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154649992760162
19:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Content Not Found (at www.facebook.com)
19:16 <@Wilpig> ^  see.  see!
19:16 <@Dagmar> I have a FB account and it's not visible for me either
19:17 <@Bahhumbug> Same.
19:17 <@Wilpig> cause you aren't friends with dickie
19:17 <@Wilpig> bad Dickie.  bad!
19:18 <@Wilpig> it was amusing, slightly, and I wanted to share
19:34 <@Dickie> wat
19:34 < RangerZ> Dickie has friends?
19:34 <@Dickie> No :-(
19:34 <@Dickie> Yeah, I keep my shit locked up tight
19:34 <@Dickie> Fa reeeeealz
19:35 < RangerZ> corydon has already left, you don't have to worry about that
19:35 <@Dickie> Oh, you.
19:36 <@Wilpig> Dickie: I was trying to share the lulz
19:37 < RangerZ> just change that video to public
19:37 < RangerZ> thats all
19:37 <@Wilpig> this is just a plot to make you all friends
19:38 <@Dickie> there
19:38 <@Dickie> gahd
19:38 <@Dickie> I'd rather be twitter friends
19:38 <@Dickie> Facebook is too Facebooky
19:39 <@Dickie> Twitter is just the right amount of twittery
19:39 <@Wilpig> what about tumblr?
19:39 <@Dickie> Getting there
19:41 <@Wilpig> I need to get up and clean the kitchen.  i'll give one of you $10 to clean the kitchen
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19:41 <@Dickie> I'd do it if I weren't so far away and lazy and spiteful
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20:34 < RangerZ> Jenifer Lawence: so anyone who looked at the fappening pics, you should "cower in shame" and are a sex offender
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20:36 <@Bahhumbug> For looking at a phone of an of-age woman?
20:36 <@Bahhumbug> Really?
20:36 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps someone should learn the definition of "sex offender".
20:37 < RangerZ> i get that it can suck to have nudes of you posted online...
20:37 < RangerZ> don't take nudes
20:38 < RangerZ> sorry... I'm not 'slut shaming' or anything, b/c I think that counts for women and men
20:39 < RangerZ> but thinking _digital_ nude photos aren't going to leak, then you're being stupid
20:39 < RangerZ> might take years....
20:39 < RangerZ> but ....
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> People are stupid.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Do they have a right to be able to maintain privacy of that content?  Sure.  Does the technology guarantee it?  Nope.   Will it any time soon?  Nope.
20:44 <@Wilpig> take it for what it is. a ton of really great publicity
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Someone of the players in this have done so.
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Those I have respect for.
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> They know how the game is played.
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> The others... perhaps you shouldn't have done it in the first place.
20:50 < RangerZ> aestetix: I like how Simon has weakened, and giggled as it dodged california and is basically curving around cali's border
20:50 <@Bahhumbug> hahah
20:50 <@Bahhumbug> California, trolled by a storm :)
20:51 < RangerZ> http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2014/650x366_10070758_hd23.jpg
20:51 < RangerZ> "opps I might come within 20miles of cali...gotta avoid that"
20:51 < RangerZ> lol
20:55 <@Bahhumbug> trolled :D
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: Would you like me to send you a bottle of fresh water?
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> All kidding aside... it's a bad situation there.
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> But still, being trolled by a storm is really pretty amusing...
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20:59 <@klixa> i read that the drought is the result of diveritng water for some endangered fish
20:59 < RangerZ> klixa: thats not really true
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20:59 <@Dagmar> All the water.
21:00 <@Dagmar> klixa: The drought is the reason they diverted that water
21:00 < RangerZ> hell, part of me thinks california should pay for a glacier to be brought up from Antarctica  and parked in the san fran bay , and convert it a fresh water lake, lol
21:00 <@klixa> Dagmar: figures... everything is a lie :/
21:01 < RangerZ> not the cake
21:01 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: THey can't do that.  The hippies would scream bloody murder because no one has done a study on the cancer-causing effects of frozen water
21:01 <@klixa> when the hippies have no water for their pot plants, they wont care
21:02 <@Dagmar> Well, that's what kitchen taps are for
21:03 < RangerZ> plus... the fact that our _toilet water_ is drinkable water... I had to have a sit down discussion with some chinese students at berkeley... trying to explain that to them
21:03 < RangerZ> b/c in china they have 2 water mains coming in
21:03 < RangerZ> drinkable and 'good enough to wash hands'
21:04 < RangerZ> which is little scary in and of itself
21:05 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoQcicRvzCQ
21:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Seeking Information: Help Identify Terrorist Individual - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:06 < RangerZ> The FBI is looking for anyone who knows that person
21:06 <@klixa> damn http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?CA
21:06 < RangerZ> they believe that he is from NA
21:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: United States Drought Monitor > Home > State Drought Monitor (at droughtmonitor.unl.edu)
21:07 < RangerZ> that dark red area... is where food comes from too
21:07 < RangerZ> so yeah....
21:07 < RangerZ> :/
21:08 <@klixa> i have always found it strange that when i lived 30 miles form watsonville, strawberries were like $4, but in denver or nebraska, etc...the SAME strawberries form watsonville are liek 2-3$
21:09 <@Dagmar> You were paying a premium for "buying local"
21:09 <@klixa> i was paying a premium for living in cali
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21:10 <@klixa> $1800 a month apt, high priced food, high proced fuel, etc.. and now no water
21:10 < RangerZ> klixa: you were only paying that much, b/c a lot of people could easily afford to do that
21:10 <@klixa> yeah
21:10 < RangerZ> not us mere mortals
21:10 < RangerZ> lol
21:10 <@klixa> i miss cali, but im glad i left
21:10 < RangerZ> but people who apply for "rockstar" positions at startups in they valley
21:10 <@klixa> eventually i will adapt and not miss it...the only good thing was the ocean and palm trees that i never got to see
21:11 <@klixa> silicon valley is ruining the bay area
21:11 <@klixa> its way too expensive
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21:11 <@Dagmar> Blame landlords
21:12 <@klixa> i have the same income here, but 1/3 the expense
21:12 <@klixa> i heard nashville is getting expensive now, i read something about it
21:13 < RangerZ> klixa: thats why I say I'd be fine(if I didn't have a high stress job at all, and was a slacker) making 60k/yr living back home
21:13 <@klixa> cause of all the hipsters miving in and stuff
21:13 < RangerZ> b/c 60k/yr would allow me to raise a family/build a house/hire an assassin for crazypants
21:13 < RangerZ> you know... the basics
21:13 <@klixa> 60,000 goes far in ohio
21:13 < RangerZ> parts
21:14 < RangerZ> 30k goes far in the ohio river valley
21:14 <@klixa> i like Dublin
21:14 < RangerZ> I have family that lives there
21:14 < RangerZ> its good area
21:14 <@klixa> dublin is nice...its the only place in ohio i liked
21:14 < RangerZ> parts of cleveland are really good too
21:14 < RangerZ> mostly the suburbs
21:15 < RangerZ> but part of "greater cleveland"
21:15 <@klixa> well its always the suburbs, inner cleavland is a crach ghetto wasteland
21:15 < RangerZ> nah
21:16 < RangerZ> parts of it surely are
21:16 < RangerZ> others.... none of us could ever afford to live in....
21:16 < RangerZ> lol
21:16 <@klixa> those areas dont count, they are "old" money
21:19 < RangerZ> in Boardman, (and a lot of ohio cities) billionaires have houses right in the middle of fairly normal areas
21:19 < RangerZ> but their roads are always plowed and salted quickly
21:19 < RangerZ> LOL
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21:22 <@Wilpig> mmm salty roads
21:23 <@Wilpig> much better than the plain ones
21:24 < RangerZ> yep
21:24 < RangerZ> when you live in the "ice belt" yes...yes... it is
21:26 < RangerZ> my mom taught me to drive on an icy parking lot, with no obstructions, learning how to put the car into and get out of a spin
21:26 < RangerZ> THEN we moved on to public roads...
21:26 < RangerZ> (thats what you get for learning to drive in the winter)
21:26 < RangerZ> lol
21:28 < RangerZ> hopefully Wilpig will get to experience a blizzard this winter too
21:30 < RangerZ> hell... I'd like it if WE experienced one too
21:30 < RangerZ> and I know aestetix would go fucking apeshit over one
21:30 < RangerZ> s/aestetix/cali
21:30 <@Dickie> I'll just not go anywhere
21:30 <@Dickie> That's easier
21:30 <@Dickie> I'm good at that
21:31 < RangerZ> same
21:32 < RangerZ> my email "prof X, Y, and Z... I'm at ISIS, where are the rest of you?"
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21:32 < RangerZ> b/c honestly, driving in snow isn't that hard
21:32 < RangerZ> just have to avoid southerners driving in it
21:32 < RangerZ> lol
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21:33 <@Bahhumbug> People in the north get complacent with driving in snow.  The truth is that in the larger cities few people actually drive on "snow" or "ice", they drive on packed down sludge and ice; both of which have a considerable amount of traction.
21:34 < RangerZ> true
21:35 <@Bahhumbug> I also taught myself to drive on ice during an actual ice storm in Chicago about 30 years ago.  Drove into a parking lot and just started spinning out and learning how to control it.
21:35 <@Bahhumbug> Was fun and educational.
21:47 <@Wilpig> haha
21:47 <@Wilpig> "real women are wonky"
21:47 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: why did you wait until you were 40 to learn to drive?
21:47 <@Wilpig> "perhaps, but like climate change we deny they exist"
21:48 < RangerZ> hehe
21:48 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Feel free to choke on a knife
21:49 < RangerZ> hehe
21:53 <@Shadow404> i didnt know RangerZ was a circus freak
21:58 < RangerZ> only for you Shadow404
21:58 < RangerZ> but you pay really well
21:58 < RangerZ> kinda surprising honestly... but hey... I don't ask where your drug money comes from
22:00 < RangerZ> http://notoriousrbg.tumblr.com/
22:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Notorious R.B.G. (at notoriousrbg.tumblr.com)
22:00 < RangerZ> a SCOTUS member has a tumblr
22:01 < RangerZ> Wilpig: you should point that out, and its much better than most tubmlrs
22:04 <@Wilpig> ibmblr is one of the better ones
22:08 <@Wilpig> guess now is as good a time as any to replace my ups
22:12 <@Wilpig> bbiab
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22:31 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: drug money = pimping out ware
22:31 < RangerZ> the scary part of that idea.... is that someone would pay for ware
22:32 <@Shadow404> heh
22:32 < RangerZ> even software
22:32 < RangerZ> or hardware
22:32 <@Shadow404> he apparently takes it both soft and hard.....
22:32 < RangerZ> now, the next time you see those words, you're going to envision ware hard or soft
22:32 <@Shadow404> not really
22:32 <@Shadow404> i always think of the movie hackers
22:33 <@Shadow404> wet ware....
22:33 <@Shadow404> spandex, its a privelege, not a right
22:34 <@Shadow404> on that note, i gonna put my personal processing cpu into sleep mode
22:38  * eryc flips Shadow404's nsa bit
22:48 <@eryc> http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/are-you-reality
22:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Heres Why Everyone Is Freaking Out About "Jen From The Appleton Bath & Body Works" (at www.buzzfeed.com)
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23:20 <@Dagmar> Looks like it's time for me to get a copyright strike
23:20 <@Dagmar> Lamar Alexander just aired a commercial full of falsehoods on a channel I'm recording.
23:20 <@Dagmar> gonna suck to be him
23:56 < aestetix> man
23:56 < aestetix> I just took heat on twitter for blaming the tech startups for our housing crisis
23:56 < aestetix> and someone replied that the startups are trying their best to set up more housing
23:56 < aestetix> and used this as one of the examples: "http://mashable.com/2013/10/03/facebook-housing-complex/"
23:56 < aestetix> er http://mashable.com/2013/10/03/facebook-housing-complex/
23:57 < aestetix> I guess they didn't read this part of the article: The complex has already been nicknamed "Zuckland" and "Facebookville" and likened to the company towns of the early 20th Century in which workers were little more than indentured servants to their employers.
23:58 < aestetix> wisdom is knowing when not to add more fire to the flames.
23:59 <@Bahhumbug> wisdom is not using twitter
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