--- Log opened Sun Oct 05 00:00:13 2014 00:35 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 00:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 00:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:05 <@SuMo_D> brimstone ended up over at Leons 01:06 <@SuMo_D> it was great! 01:06 <@SuMo_D> even more awesome... special after 10PM menu 01:06 <@SuMo_D> made it worth going out late 01:12 <@Dagmar> cool 01:27 <@SuMo_D> http://www.teiresias.net/~tyr/dio/index.php 01:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lookout!!! The Ronnie James Dio Advice Generator (at www.teiresias.net) 01:27 <@SuMo_D> this night just keeps getting better 01:33 <@Dagmar> I'll take your word on that 01:33 <@Dagmar> ...and damnit, I don't think my phone supports Tap & Pay 01:34 <@SuMo_D> you should ask Dio's advice on what to do about that 01:50 < aestetix> who wants to feel old 01:50 < aestetix> Clueless was released 20 years ago next year 01:50 <@SuMo_D> o_O 01:50 <@SuMo_D> consult the Dio on that one 01:55 <@SuMo_D> So looks like Autodesk got jealous of Adobe having all the fun and forcing subscriptions http://www.cgchannel.com/2014/10/autodesk-to-go-subscription-only-by-2016/ 01:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Autodesk to go subscription-only by 2016 | CG Channel (at www.cgchannel.com) 01:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 01:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:04 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:24 <@Dagmar> Oh god 02:24 <@Dagmar> uuuugh 02:25 <@Dagmar> I'm watching Agents of Shield from last season and they just tried to get technical about "tracing a hack" 02:25 <@Dagmar> Sooo much word-salad it hurt my brain 02:25 <@Dagmar> It didn't even make sense 02:25 <@Bahhumbug> It's a comic book brought to the screen. It's not supposed to make sense :) 02:26 <@Dagmar> They could have asked _somebody_ 02:26 <@Dagmar> Normally the stuff Fitz-Simmons says is nerdy but it's never quite a giant load of nonsense 02:27 < aestetix> vagina 02:31 < RangerZ> I like how they hired a math professor for the CBS show where they solved all the shows via math that would be great to exist... or 'does' exist, but isn't easily programmable but their one character is able to write it in a few minutes 02:31 < RangerZ> think it was Spelled Numb3rs or somehting 02:32 <@Bahhumbug> It was indeed Numb3rs. 02:32 <@Bahhumbug> I thought that was a good show, all things considered. 02:33 < RangerZ> yeah, same 02:34 < RangerZ> I only caught it once in a while, but same 02:34 <@Dagmar> I just got used to Person of Interest always having technical details filled in properly 02:35 <@Dagmar> Oh jesus they just fucked up a Minecraft reference 02:35 < RangerZ> blame MS now 02:35 <@Dagmar> *headdesk* 02:35 < RangerZ> they own it 02:35 < RangerZ> they broke it 02:36 <@Dagmar> Apparently minecraft is now an MMO where you can be a zombie pigman 02:36 < RangerZ> wait... thats the order it goes right? lol 02:36 < RangerZ> Dagmar: leave Wilpig's nights alone at home ... alone 02:36 < RangerZ> lol 03:13 < RangerZ> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6894875/elon-musk-says-next-years-tesla-cars-will-be-able-to-self-drive-90-percent-of-the-time 03:14 < aestetix> http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html 03:14 < RangerZ> FML... I need a loan to buy one of those cars... 03:18 < aestetix> hmm 03:18 < aestetix> lawyers are so much hotter than engineers 03:21 < RangerZ> you gotta find the RIGHT engineers 03:21 < RangerZ> b/c I had a couple girls in my grade in undergrad that were CS...or EE 03:22 < RangerZ> Elon Musk... decides to release his car models with the following names... 03:22 < RangerZ> S 03:22 < RangerZ> E 03:22 < RangerZ> X 03:22 < RangerZ> but his lawyers said... yeah... no X 03:22 < RangerZ> then he asked the Internet "do you want to know about the D" ? 03:23 < RangerZ> yeah... his "you dirty dirty Internet, thats not what I meant"... Lies 03:23 < RangerZ> lol 03:36 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaYAxa-ti1U&feature=youtu.be&t=1h18m26s 03:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: The WAN Show - Windows ni... er TEN! Samsung to Make CPUs for AMD? - October 3, 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:36 < RangerZ> about FB 05:40 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:56 < RangerZ> not that its anything new, just a different perspective on it 07:20 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:50 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 07:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:55 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has joined #se2600 07:57 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.50] has quit [Changing host] 07:57 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 07:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 09:51 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 09:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:13 -!- SuMo_D 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k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:26 <@Wilpig> http://thetvdb.com/?tab=season&seriesid=283468&seasonid=590285&lid=7 11:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Star Wars Rebels: Season 1 Episode List (at thetvdb.com) 11:39 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 11:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:43 -!- Mirage [~mirage@static-173-57-28-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:08 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 12:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 12:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 12:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 12:30 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35 <@Wilpig> wow. http://geekologie.com/ is still down 12:36 <@Wilpig> hrmm. http://www.iwatchstuff.com/ is down too 12:42 <@Wilpig> http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/10/non-heteronormal-nudie-magazine-blows/ 13:44 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:54 <@Dagmar> Good news, it's up... and still showing disturbing things http://iwatchstuff.com/2014/10/watch-lesley-the-pony-has-an-a-day-and-m.php 13:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Watch 'Lesley the Pony Has an A+ Day', and Maybe You Can Have One Too | I Watch Stuff (at iwatchstuff.com) 13:55 <@Dagmar> The video is not what you think 13:56 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:05 <@Dagmar> Nor is this one http://iwatchstuff.com/2014/09/adorably-ponder-your-insignificance-with.php 14:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Adorably Ponder Your Insignificance with This George Takei-Narrated Animated Short | I Watch Stuff (at iwatchstuff.com) 14:11 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: actually it's back up. as is geekologie 14:12 <@Wilpig> I'm outta here. gotta run to lowes really fast 14:18 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:20 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:41 < aestetix> http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/does-alt-lit-scene-have-rape-problem/ 14:41 < aestetix> now I know that there's an alt lit scene 14:46 <@Dagmar> Freakin' lunatics 15:21 <@Wilpig> the cats win this round. fuckers. 15:21 <@Wilpig> They've stolen my staplegun 15:22 <@Dagmar> THat would generally be the work of ferrets 15:23 <@Wilpig> I've got my plant shelter built but when I went to look for my staplegun to attach the chicken wire to it I discovered it was missing. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhyc7puhvkjcslf/2014-10-05%2015.16.57.jpg?dl=0 15:29 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2ibsrn/tifu_by_taking_on_aqua_dump/ 15:45 -!- Mirage [~mirage@static-173-57-28-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 16:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 16:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:41 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 17:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:44 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:44 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 17:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 17:45 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 17:46 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@66.64.167.141.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:09 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/opinion/sunday/throw-out-the-college-application-system.html 18:09 < aestetix> yeah this is a great idea 18:09 < aestetix> "There is a better way for colleges to gather comprehensive information about candidates. It’s called an assessment center, and it’s been in use for more than half a century to screen candidates for business, government and military positions." 18:35 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:59 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15 <@Dagmar> Equally as valid would be to attempt to use a judgmental Assessment Centaur. 19:17 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 19:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 19:18 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: I have NO idea what you are talking about... but you using a judgmental Centaur for anything... is kinda scary 19:21 < RangerZ1> I'm scared you might be unleashing it on the kid who recorded you the other night... 19:26 <@Wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmTJkZy0rM 19:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Urban Agroecoloy: 6,000 lbs of food on 1/10th acre - Urban Homestead - Urban Permaculture - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:26 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 19:28 < RangerZ1> Wilpig: I've seen that before 19:29 < RangerZ1> but its not really that super impressive if you grow the stuff they are 19:29 < RangerZ1> I mean, it "IS" impressive, but not ground breaking* 19:30 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrIeam5-SA 19:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Windows 10 Technical Preview Collects User Data Using Keylogger ? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:30 < RangerZ1> FYI 19:37 <@Wilpig> it's not groundbreaking but it's damn impressive to grow that much in that small of a space 19:38 < RangerZ1> if you thats impressive, look at hydroponics 19:38 < RangerZ1> in japan, a company has a server room-type room that grows lettuce using 2% of the original water 19:38 < RangerZ1> and no soil/etc 19:38 < RangerZ1> just mineral water 19:39 < RangerZ1> and they grow them stacked vertically via (led?) UV lights 19:41 <@Wilpig> damn hippies not eating meat 19:42 < RangerZ1> umm... lettuce is great for wrapping meat in... pigs in a blanket (fuck cabbage) 19:47 <@eryc> cabbage is awesome 19:48 <@eryc> polish piggies are the best 19:54 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@c-50-167-21-26.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 20:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 20:42 < RangerZ1> https://blogs.atlassian.com/wp-content/uploads/docker-all-the-things.png this is me right now :/ 20:46 < aestetix> fuck this heat 20:57 < RangerZ1> @weather oakland, ca 20:57 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Oakland, CA :: Clear :: 76F | Sunday: Clear. Lows overnight in the low 60s. Sunday Night: A clear sky. Low 62F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. 20:57 < RangerZ1> @weather nashville, tn 20:57 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Nashville, TN :: Clear :: 66F | Sunday: A few showers developing late. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Sunday Night: Partly cloudy this evening followed by increasing clouds with showers developing after midnight. Low 53F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40%. 20:57 < RangerZ1> umm...? where are then? 21:34 < RangerZ1> s/are then/are you then 21:50 < RangerZ1> @weather 44444 21:50 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Newton Falls, OH :: Overcast :: 45F | Wind Chill: 41F | Sunday: Chance of late night showers. Lows overnight in the low 40s. Sunday Night: Cloudy skies with a few showers after midnight. Low 43F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%. 21:50 < RangerZ1> you could be there... lol 21:51 < RangerZ1> @weather doha, qatar 21:51 <@GateKeeper> RangerZ1: Doha, Qatar :: Clear :: 86F | Heat Index: 97F | Monday: Abundant sunshine. High 99F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Monday Night: A clear sky. Low 83F. Winds light and variable. 21:51 < RangerZ1> or... there.... 21:53 <@Shadow404> @weather 30062 21:53 <@GateKeeper> Shadow404: Marietta, GA :: Clear :: 60F | Sunday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Sunday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Low around 50F. Winds light and variable. 21:53 <@Shadow404> was 40 last night 21:54 <@Bahhumbug> It hit freezing here last night. 21:54 -!- RangerZ2 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:55 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58 <@Shadow404> woah.....um, so i was searching for airfaire and was checking aa.com....eek, those are some scary looking women they have for the be pink ad 21:58 <@Shadow404> if that was my pilot, id wait for the next flight 22:12 < RangerZ2> just b/c you want TSA to feel you up again... doesn't mean you should just give up on plane rides 22:15 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: I think it got close to freezing here last night. it was 37 when I got up 22:16 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid weather. 22:16 <@Bahhumbug> @weather 22:16 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Manchester, TN :: Clear :: 57F (Humidity: 59%) | Sunday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Sunday Night: Some clouds. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 51F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. 22:16 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Alerts: :: No alerts. 22:17 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Forecast: :: Sun: Partly Cloudy (72F/51F) | Mon: Chance of a Thunderstorm (72F/56F) | Tue: Chance of a Thunderstorm (75F/58F) | Wed: Partly Cloudy (78F/56F) 22:18 <@shapr> Alert! 22:19 -!- Bahhumbug is now known as Dumhumbug 22:20 -!- Dumhumbug is now known as Bahhumbug 22:20 < RangerZ2> look at all that rain, except in cali 22:20 < RangerZ2> lol 22:20 <@Wilpig> @weather 08902 22:20 <@GateKeeper> Wilpig: North Brunswick, NJ :: Clear :: 42F | Wind Chill: 40F | Sunday: Clear. Lows overnight in the mid 40s. Sunday Night: A clear sky. Low 44F. Winds light and variable. 22:20 <@Wilpig> 40s. ugh. 22:20 <@Wilpig> i'm not putting on a jacket yet. 22:21 < RangerZ2> Wilpig: it was 40s down here 22:21 < RangerZ2> and people are like "OMG WTF" lol 22:22 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:31 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr 22:32 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 22:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 22:46 <@Dickie> shapr making friends, I see 22:52 < RangerZ2> I like how our generation is going to have acronyms like that... which our children are going to be like... wdfuq to 22:52 < RangerZ2> hehe 23:02 <@eryc> @weather 20001 23:02 <@GateKeeper> eryc: Washington, DC :: Partly Cloudy :: 56F | Sunday: Mainly clear. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Sunday Night: Clear skies. Low 49F. Winds light and variable. 23:17 * shapr hugs Shadow404 23:17 <@shapr> Dickie: wat y0 problem is? 23:17 <@Dickie> My problem? 23:17 <@Dickie> Singular? 23:19 * shapr hugs Dickie and does not ask questions 23:19 <@shapr> Dickie: we're at the shop, you can bring your babies and hang out if you want 23:19 < RangerZ2> Dickie: do you want a hazmat suit now? 23:19 < RangerZ2> or is too late? 23:19 <@Dickie> I have work in the morning. 23:19 <@Dickie> Which, incidentally, is one of my problems. 23:19 <@Dickie> I don't need a hazmat suit. I drink heavily. 23:20 <@Dickie> That ought to clear it out. 23:20 <@Dickie> shapr: if it doesn't make it into my standup routine, then it'll be forever lost 23:20 <@Dickie> They say never leave a note 23:21 * Dickie dims the lights 23:22 <@eryc> i like how we conveniently ran out of zmapp 23:26 < aestetix> penis 23:28 < aestetix> intersting 23:29 < aestetix> http://www.gallup.com/poll/117382/Church-Going-Among-Catholics-Slides-Tie-Protestants.aspx 23:29 < aestetix> this seems to coincide at least in part with Vatican 2 23:30 < RangerZ2> hmm 23:31 < aestetix> I suspect the other major factor was the perverted priests 23:31 < RangerZ2> scrabble finder says the best word I can make with letters I fed it to help me name this platform is 'scam' 23:31 < RangerZ2> not re-assuring _at all_ 23:44 < SuMo_D_> so my friend told me today they were interested in going to PN 23:45 < SuMo_D_> so if they're going... and I ride with them... it might be back on the table 23:45 < SuMo_D_> is it happening? 23:45 <@Bahhumbug> Could you kick crazy bitch in the bad place for me? 23:45 <@Bahhumbug> Pretty please? 23:45 < SuMo_D_> I haven't really been following other than crazy pants is being crazy 23:45 < RangerZ2> SuMo_D_: yes, it is 23:46 < RangerZ2> SuMo_D_: don't start making reasons for us to go 23:46 < RangerZ2> lol 23:46 < SuMo_D_> you're not going now? 23:46 < RangerZ2> i'm not getting a hotel or drinking, thats for sure 23:46 < SuMo_D_> Also I met some really cool people from Make Nashville today 23:46 < RangerZ2> I might stop in for a day to see whats up, etc 23:46 <@Dickie> booooring 23:47 < RangerZ2> my prelims are the 11th of nov.... 23:47 <@Dickie> boooooringer 23:47 < RangerZ2> so... not 'too' much time for playing around 23:47 <@Dickie> do what'cha gotta do 23:48 < SuMo_D_> also Bahhumbug I have too much nerve damage to kick anybody anymore... but fire is not out of the question 23:48 <@Bahhumbug> That works for me. 23:48 < SuMo_D_> or beaten with sticks 23:48 <@Bahhumbug> Why limit yourself. Both? 23:48 < SuMo_D_> I was actually looking for a kali/escrima/arnis teacher last week 23:49 <@Bahhumbug> You could use her for a practice dummy. 23:49 < SuMo_D_> I figured it might be a good style to get back into... since I can't do full contact anymore 23:51 < SuMo_D_> but are there any speakers or activities this year that are going on? 23:51 < SuMo_D_> or is it just drinking 23:54 < RangerZ2> speakers, surprisingly without a CFP --- Log closed Mon Oct 06 00:00:14 2014