--- Log opened Thu Oct 02 00:00:11 2014
00:14 < NexusL_> anyone know if there is any 2600 meetings in SC?
00:19 < RangerZ1> depends on what part of the state
00:19 < RangerZ1> plus list on the site IIRC
00:19 < NexusL_> checked nothing listed in SC on the site
00:20 < RangerZ1> then try sc2600
00:20 < RangerZ1> or sumo when she's on
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00:21 <@Bahhumbug> Weird coincidence.  Posting for CarolinaCon _just_ came across full-disclosure.
00:22 < NexusL_> lol that is a odd coincidence
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00:27 < NexusL_> speak of the Sumo.....
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00:27 < NexusL_> hey Sumo, random question. DO you happen to know if there are any 2600 meetings in SC?
00:31 <@Bahhumbug> It's possible she's not truly there; her connection has a tendency to bounce a bit.
00:32 < NexusL_> Bahhumbug: thanks for the heads up :)
00:46 <@Corydon76> NexusL_: http://www.meetup.com/SubProto/?scroll=true
00:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: SubProto (Myrtle Beach, SC) - Meetup (at www.meetup.com)
00:46 < NexusL_> Corydon76: TY!
00:46 <@Corydon76> Hopefully that's somewhat close to you?
00:49 < NexusL_>  gah unfortunately not, i will be in Greenwood for 4 days (Funeral) closest big city to me will be Columbia. MB is about 3 1/2 hours from Greenwood
00:51 <@Bahhumbug> My condolences on your loss.
00:52 < NexusL_> ty, it was a long battle with Cancer. At the very least he is no longer in pain
00:56 <@Bahhumbug> Been there, done that.  Very, very much sucks.
01:22 < NexusL_> indeed good sir, indeed.
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01:23 <@Wilpig> I wish y'all could see this mess
01:23 <@Wilpig> good god
01:23 < aestetix> Wilpig: flush the toilet already
01:34 < NexusL_>  lolz
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: Take a picture and send it to aestetix first.
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> Return some of the favors.
01:35 < NexusL_> Wilpig: is it bigger then Bono?
01:37 <@Wilpig> yeah i'm not taking pictures of shit in here.  I like my job
01:39 < NexusL_> ahh yeah did not know you were at work
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01:50 <@Wilpig> this is the kind of bullshit that pisses me off
01:50 <@Wilpig> "wilpig replace the sfp's in switch-stack-2"
01:50 <@Wilpig> which one
01:50 <@Wilpig> "all of them"
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02:06 <@Wilpig> tvdb is either running uber slow or I have somethign borked at the house
02:47 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrhhrmDoSAw so it looks like IronMan 4/5/6/7/8/until RDJ dies
02:47 < RangerZ1> lol
02:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Avengers 2 Age Of Ultron and Iron Man Forever - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:47 < NexusL_> sweet
02:48 < NexusL_> i like him as ironman
02:48 <@Bahhumbug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=F-JZEaeOmfE
02:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Video: Ebola patient escapes quarantine, spreads panic in Monrovia (Liberia) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:48 <@Bahhumbug> Watch that.
02:48 <@Bahhumbug> It's only like 3 minutes or so.
02:49 <@Bahhumbug> When you're done with that watch this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsHQf6fDeeI
02:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Benny "Ebola" Hill [Musical] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:49 < RangerZ1> another person who just needs shot
02:49 <@Bahhumbug> No argument.
02:49 < RangerZ1> thats fucking criminal
02:49 <@Bahhumbug> It's also Liberia, oddly enough.
02:49 <@Bahhumbug> But that's just fodder for the second video :)
02:50 <@Bahhumbug> I also got a kick out of the Monsanto RoundUp sprayers on their backs.
02:51 < RangerZ1> holy fuck... what does he think they are ? pod people?
02:51 < RangerZ1> its probably bleach or lysol mix is my guess
02:52 <@Bahhumbug> Could be a lot of things but yeah, that's likely.
02:52 <@Bahhumbug> I just found it amusing that of all companies fucking Monsanto was supplying their with supplies.
02:52 < RangerZ1> its not like it isn't KNOWN what they are there fore
02:52 <@Bahhumbug> I dislike that company _greatly_.
02:52 < RangerZ1> for, the crowd is like WTF
02:52 <@Bahhumbug> Did you watch the second video?
02:52 < RangerZ1> yeah
02:52 < RangerZ1> wrong
02:53 < RangerZ1> but so right
02:53 < RangerZ1> lol
02:53 <@Bahhumbug> It's fucking awesome :)
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03:29 < RangerZ1> god... i hate command line parsing
03:29 < RangerZ1> "ohh why do I need to readLine() 2 extra times here... for no apparent reason".... no clue
03:29 < RangerZ1> somewhere extra
03:29 < RangerZ1> \n* are getting inserted... and I can't figure it out ... :/
03:48 <@Wilpig> network maint complete
03:48 <@Wilpig> I have a huge mess to clean up now
03:49 < RangerZ1> i thought we told you to stop looking at pr0n at work
03:50 <@Bahhumbug> Do you have enough cable handy to hang the neteng guy?
03:51 <@Wilpig> yes actually
03:51 < RangerZ1> do you have enough to make it look like an accident?
03:52 <@Wilpig> "wilpig! quickly your services are about to expire!  2015-01-14"
03:52 <@Wilpig> that is not quickly.
03:55 <@Wilpig> lucky fucker... http://gawker.com/two-high-school-teachers-arrested-over-threesome-with-s-1641489304?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
03:56 <@Bahhumbug> I'd do those teachers.
03:56 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid kid should have kept his mouth shut.
03:58 <@Wilpig> that kid probably has a sore arm at this point
03:58 <@Wilpig> so many high fives...
03:58 <@Wilpig> I wanna give the bastard one myself.
03:59 <@Bahhumbug> No kidding.
03:59 <@Wilpig> could your 16 year old self keep your mouth shut about that?  three way is enough to have me yapping, but with two teachers as well!  kid had no chance
04:00 <@Wilpig> do have to feel sorry for him though, it's only downhill from here
04:01 <@Bahhumbug> For the teachers, too.
04:02 <@Bahhumbug> Sexual Abuse By An Authority Figure
04:02 <@Wilpig> booooooo
04:03 <@Bahhumbug> "Dufresne and Respess were charged with carnal knowledge of a juvenile and contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile."
04:03 <@Bahhumbug> heh, carnal knowledge
04:03 <@Bahhumbug> Excuse me while I quietly chuckle to myself over that.
04:13 < RangerZ1> i'm more impressed you aren't actually "LOL"ing at their names...
04:15 < RangerZ1> Wilpig: you sexist bastard, how dare you congratulate a 16 year old boy for getting the (guy|girl) of his 16 year old fantasies
04:16 < RangerZ1> when we'd say the same damn thing if a girl got some hot guys
04:16 < RangerZ1> as long as it isn't our daughters/family
04:16 < RangerZ1> LOL
04:17 < RangerZ1> also... random trackpad clicks... amusing as hell this time http://gawker.com/tumblr-stud-eating-my-own-cum-in-leaked-vids-doesnt-1640753993
04:17 < RangerZ1> also... the teach "had sex with the student until "early morning hours"
04:18 < RangerZ1> she fucking picked well
04:19 <@Wilpig> 16 and full of youth in vigor
04:19 <@Wilpig> she knew what she was doing
04:19 <@Bahhumbug> :D
04:20 <@Wilpig> gonna head upstairs now and watch a little tv and relax I think.  i've got another hour and a half here and I just don't want to do jack squat
04:21 < RangerZ1> Wilpig: make sure to spread that link at work
04:21 < RangerZ1> hehe
04:22 < RangerZ1> the tumblr 'stud' one
04:25 <@Wilpig> I already lost it
04:26 < RangerZ1> http://gawker.com/tumblr-stud-eating-my-own-cum-in-leaked-vids-doesnt-1640753993
04:26 < RangerZ1> lol
04:26 < RangerZ1> ...doesn't make him gay...
04:27 < RangerZ1> and I'm glad we're getting some equality for the sexs on leaked videos, LOL
04:36 <@Wilpig> southpark tonight.  wow.  lol
04:36 <@Wilpig> gluten will make your dick fly off
04:37 < RangerZ1> thats only true if you eat it for 5 days in a row
04:37 < RangerZ1> everyone knows that
04:38 < RangerZ1> thats why catholics have no meat on fridays, and then no carbs on the weekends, and then no carbs on wed
04:38 < RangerZ1> little inconvenient, but its worth keeping your dick...
04:38 < RangerZ1> lol
04:43 < RangerZ1> who needs sleep... ME... FML
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07:07 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:39 <@Mirage> Looking forward to this in a couple weeks: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2930604/
09:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Star Wars Rebels (TV Series 2014– ) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
09:39 <@Mirage> I'm a little fuzzy on the "Plot Keywords", though.   Space opera?!
09:42 <@Dagmar> Star Wars has always been a space opera
10:23 <@Mirage> Sorry, I expect more singing in a space opera..or Queen doing the soundtrack.
10:46 <@oddball> No, It's the proper term.  It's a space opera like Flash Gordon, etc.
11:02 <@Mirage> funny.. they lump print, radio, tv, and movies all into "Space Opera".
11:04 <@oddball> yep.  It's a sub-genre of scifi.
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12:27 < RangerZ1> oddball: star wars was a space western and you know it ;)
12:27 < RangerZ1> lol
12:27 < RangerZ1> but the indians won
12:28 < RangerZ1> that hasn't happend since the last Major League movie -_-
12:29 <@oddball> Longer than that.  THe last Major League movie featured a minor league team. :p
12:30 < RangerZ1> as a cleveland-ish citizen...
12:30  * RangerZ1 cries
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12:30 <@brimstone> RangerZ1: no, Firefly was a space western
12:31 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8
12:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Factory Of Sadness (A Cleveland Browns Fans Reaction To Todays Game Against Houston) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:31 <@Bahhumbug> I actually agree with brimstone on something.
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12:31 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: I know, right? :p
12:32 < RangerZ1> brimstone: stop making me cry
12:32 <@brimstone> i hear that every day
12:32 < RangerZ1> but usually its little kids saying it
12:33 <@brimstone> usually
12:33 < RangerZ1> sometimes Shadow404
12:33 <@brimstone> sometimes
12:34 < aestetix> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-anti-feminist-campaign-by-pulling-ads-from-gaming
12:34 < RangerZ1> intel's brilliant
12:34 < RangerZ1> b/c they can pull some right now, then put them back here soon
12:34 < RangerZ1> and no one will care either way
12:34 < RangerZ1> lol
12:35 <@oddball> RangerZ1: If it makes you feel any better, sometimes people remember that I'm from Detroit and ask me how the Lions are doing.
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12:36 < RangerZ1> ohh I do feel better, at least cleveland has lowered expectations... where as lions fans think they will go undefeated every year...
12:36 <@oddball> Umm... no.  No they don't.
12:36 <@Bahhumbug> My condolences, oddball.
12:36 < RangerZ1> much more self-delusional
12:37 < RangerZ1> lol
12:37 <@Bahhumbug> It takes a brave man to admit he's from the largest American city to declare bankruptcy in the past 100 or so years.
12:38 <@oddball> I remember visiting my dad one year and hearing the local sports commentator ask "so... am I supposed to root for the Lions to win so they merely finish the season as terrible, or do I hope that they lose the rest of the games this year so they can set a record?"
12:38 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Well, like most white people my age from that area, I'm actually from one of the suburbs, but... :p
12:38 <@Bahhumbug> heh, figures :)
12:40 <@oddball> Growing up, there was only one neighborgood in the actual city that had white people in it... and that was an Irish neighborhood made up of people that were more stubborn and mean than the folks that were actively trying to run the white people out of the city.
12:41 <@shapr> good morning?
12:41 <@brimstone> shapr: always
12:41 <@shapr> yay?
12:42 <@Bahhumbug> Mmm... Irish....
12:43 < RangerZ1> we irish are mean and stubborn
12:43  * RangerZ1 points to my mom and grandma
12:43 < RangerZ1> lol
12:43 <@oddball> My mom did substitute teaching in Detroit for a while.  Apparently that was the neighborhood that she was really warned about.
12:45 <@oddball> It appears that that neighborhood is now turning into one of the hipster centers and is one of the neighborhoods that's worth going to.
12:45 < RangerZ1> its like the _one_ white family that went to the one Youngstown HS ...
12:45 < RangerZ1> he didn't go to school the last week of school, b/c he'd be jumped _too many times_
12:46 < RangerZ1> and was always carrying a pipe with him since middle school
12:46 < RangerZ1> when the guy was telling me this... i just stared at him
12:46 <@sasquatc4> i konw this is a long shot, but anyone ever seen an issue with superfetch on windows where it just consistently chews cpu, even after letting it run for like 30min its still going
12:47 < RangerZ1> b/c we had _a_ black kid in my grade until I was in 10th grade....
12:49 <@oddball> And you guys didn't beat him on a regular basis?  What's wrong with you?  Didn't know you were supposed to punish the different? :p
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12:52 < RangerZ1> he was too cool
12:53 < RangerZ1> he was the only person on the basketball team that could play
12:53 <@oddball> heh
12:53 < RangerZ1> actually he was on the football team... but yeah... he was an oreo
12:54 < RangerZ1> not as much as obama
12:54 < RangerZ1> but still...
12:54 < RangerZ1> my asian friend always called himself a twinkie
12:54 < RangerZ1> LOL
12:55 <@Dagmar> wow
12:55 <@Dagmar> Sprint hassling me about my bill over SMS
12:55 <@Dagmar> Sprint's online payment site is down again
12:55 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll*
12:55 < RangerZ1> thats sadly the one thing virgin mobile has over sprint
12:56 <@brimstone> a working online payment system?
12:56 < aestetix> The one common characteristic among these federated billing systems is that they go down often
12:56 < aestetix> And when they are up they are slow
12:56 < RangerZ1> 50$/mo for 1200min and unlimited everything else, "downgraded" to 128kbps after 2 GB/mo usage
12:57 < RangerZ1> sadly thats the _least_ evil pricing scheme I know of
12:57 < RangerZ1> well 45$/mo 51.XX$ or soemthing after tax
12:57 <@Dagmar> I just don't think they should be pinging my phone if I can't actually pay online
12:58 < RangerZ1> yeah... me neither
12:58 < RangerZ1> thats BS
12:58 < RangerZ1> at most... a "billing app" giving you a notification
12:58 < RangerZ1> but thats about it
12:59 < RangerZ1> _IF_ you want that app installed
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12:59 <@Dagmar> Fuck that.  Everyone needs to know about NASCAR!
13:03 < RangerZ1> hehe
13:04 < RangerZ1> I've setup every thing to be auto-paid
13:04 < RangerZ1> saves me a lot of mental stress/etc
13:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah until they fuck one of those up
13:05 <@Dagmar> ...and then suddenly it's entirely your fault for not noticing.
13:05 < RangerZ1> I'm too ADHD to remember every single bill properly... unless I go overboard and make a fucking giant spreadsheet, etc
13:05 <@Dagmar> I keep shit down to three bills, not counting rent.
13:05 <@Dagmar> Phone, cable, electricity.
13:05 < RangerZ1> yeah... i got to the point where its better for me to just auto pay
13:06 < RangerZ1> but thats just me...
13:06 < RangerZ1> but I also have been diversifying my banking/CC companies/etc
13:06 < RangerZ1> to have 'back up'(s) if shit hits the fan
13:06 < RangerZ1> but really... thats only an option once you have enough money to start keeping a proper 'savings' account
13:07 < RangerZ1> which sadly, i used up most of my savings paying for undergrad... so been slowly rebuilding
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13:57 < cordless_> RangerZ1: what was your undergrad in?
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14:12 < RangerZ> oh great... found out when my prelims are... 2hrs to decide my future...
14:12 <@CRasH180> Get started now
14:12  * RangerZ cries a single tear
14:13 <@CRasH180> Oh, you only have two hours before you must decide?
14:13 < RangerZ> actually yeah... b/c i only have 2 or 3 weeks to write a paper and prepare for the presentation part of the prelim which is the 2hrs
14:14 < RangerZ> I already chose most of my committee based on which courses I wanted to be tested on
14:14 < RangerZ> they give me a few papers to read/review/examine/etc, and then I am to write a review of those papers
14:15 < RangerZ> then give a presentation
14:16 < RangerZ> based around "Model Based Design and Development of Distributed & Networked Systems using Software Patterns"
14:17 < cordless_> RangerZ: graduate work?
14:17 <@CRasH180> Hmm, first ask yourself where you see yourself in the future
14:21 < aestetix> http://worstcats.tumblr.com/
14:21 < aestetix> thanks Wilpig for making this site possible
14:22 < cordless_> Haha
14:25 < RangerZ> yeah
14:25 < RangerZ> I see myself slapping Wilpig
14:25 < RangerZ> and if I can get funding by NSF to do that... all the better
14:25 < RangerZ> lol
14:27 < RangerZ> cordless_: yes, my prelims for my PhD, its test to allow (or kick me to the curb) me 'advanced standing' in the PhD program
14:33  * shapr yodels
14:33 < RangerZ> which takes you from 'graduate student' to 'phd candidate' (which really doesn't have much difference, but its a "filter" basically, to show that you have the required pre-reqs to persue a phd in the field
14:34 < RangerZ> s/persue/pursue
14:41 < cordless_> Nice. What's your degree in?
14:42 < RangerZ> Common Sense, so rare it might as well be a super power
14:42 < RangerZ> sorry... Computer Science
14:42 < RangerZ> lol
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14:52 < aestetix> I thought your degree was in IRC
14:53 < RangerZ> nah, thats just a minor
14:53 < RangerZ> lol
15:01 < frsilent> RangerZ: just out of curiousity can you share your review after that?
15:04 < frsilent> I've been doing a lot of clisp lately (easier for me so far than haskell shapr :P ) & it seems kind of flexible in that a lot of people use alists to replace objects and can do their happy functional programming
15:05 <@shapr> heh
15:06 < RangerZ> frsilent: actually no, its internal use only, as far as I know
15:06 <@shapr> Homoiconicity obviates the need for projectional editing.
15:06 < RangerZ> dissertation itself is public record, etc
15:07 < RangerZ> but I'm not at that point yet.
15:08 < frsilent> gotcha
15:09 <@shapr> I'm a big fan of algebraic datatypes in Haskell, makes it easy to represent structure.
15:09 <@shapr> Mind you, in Python I take a more lispy approach
15:09 < frsilent> yeah, I do Django for my job so I can see some of the patterns we adopted
15:10 < frsilent> also, this book sold me on finally learning it: http://landoflisp.com/
15:10 <@shapr> downside is that Python data has way more implicit knowledge required.
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15:10 < frsilent> eh, yeah but it's generally lighter on the verbage & "common sense"
15:11 < frsilent> lisp is a bit more esoteric with its internals
15:11 < RangerZ> lisp is a great language if you hate youself
15:11 < RangerZ> ;)
15:11 < frsilent> ie eql, equals, =, cons, cdr, car, etc
15:11 < RangerZ> shapr: that is my #1 issue with python
15:11 < frsilent> RangerZ: lol right in my ballpark! (golden handcuffs)
15:11 < RangerZ> the fact that you CAN NOT set interfaces
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15:12 < RangerZ> each and EVERY method should _not_ have to inspect every aspect of input before it can used at all
15:12 < RangerZ> my AI course used python
15:13 < RangerZ> and the biggest problem we had was _python_ not the algorithms/etc
15:14 < RangerZ> especially when the same method is called with different TYPES...wtf
15:15 < frsilent> lol, eehhh it's been kind to me but I can see a domain like AI getting messy with it
15:15 < RangerZ> not really
15:15 < RangerZ> AI is pretty simple
15:15 < RangerZ> b/c we were doing 'machine learning'
15:15 <@shapr> I like machine learning.
15:15 < RangerZ> which is really just graph theory stuff
15:16 <@shapr> hm, there's more
15:16 < RangerZ> not really...
15:16 < RangerZ> once you abstract it away to its base functions
15:16 <@shapr> What about bayesian stats?
15:17 < RangerZ> yep, them too, just with some 'more work' in the pre-liminary stages
15:17 < RangerZ> b/c you still implement the decider as a decision tree, with just 'ranges' as decision values
15:19 < RangerZ> random forest, etc...etc are all just ways of [doing prelim calculations] to allow the decision tree to make better choices
15:19 < RangerZ> and then you trim the forest to the trees that are the most accurate and randomize the tree's children
15:19 < RangerZ> etc
15:20 < RangerZ> yes, its a 5,000 ft view of the problem
15:20 < RangerZ> but its easier to analyze at that level, and then vary individual differences based upon implementation/algorithm choices
15:22 < cordless_> RangerZ, study in nashville? I'm transferring to tn tech in the spring.. EE major
15:23 <@shapr> RangerZ: now I want to show up and talk PLT and AI and all that other stuff at a 2600 meeting in Nashville
15:23 <@shapr> I enjoy the discussions here.
15:23 <@shapr> AND I want to show frsilent how ADTs are awesome in Haskell
15:23 <@shapr> not saying lisp is bad, it's also awesome.. just a different awesome
15:23 < frsilent> lol, you check out that video by any chance?
15:23 <@shapr> Mind you, I wrote more lisp today than Haskell
15:23 < frsilent> on the landoflisp landing page
15:23 <@shapr> elisp, but that's okay
15:23 <@shapr> nah, I didn't watch it
15:24 <@shapr> but I read the cartoon at the bottom of the page
15:24 <@shapr> prettty funny
15:24 < frsilent> it's...interesting
15:24 < frsilent> hm, I might be at the atlanta 2600 meeting tomorrow if anyone lives down here
15:25 < frsilent> still on the fence about PN
15:25 <@shapr> yeah, me too
15:26 <@shapr> frsilent: Have you tried Joy, the postfix stack-based functional language?
15:26 <@shapr> concatenative languages like Joy gave me a better understanding of the awesome of lisp.
15:28 <@Dagmar> LSD gives me a better appreciation of the variations in bathroom tile.
15:29 < frsilent> no I'll check it out; Lisp has been fairly straight-forward after understanding its S-exps & cons
15:30 <@Dagmar> I need to stay the hell away from McKay's
15:30 < aestetix> I was so tempted to use LSD as a factoid in my Harvard talk
15:30 <@Dagmar> Granted I only spent about $1.25 per CD, but... now I have twenty more damn CDs to rip.
15:30 < aestetix> Maybe cite Tim Leary
15:35 <@Dagmar> You know that'll just freak out the squares, right?
15:37 < aestetix> yes
15:37 < aestetix> Even though Tim Leary *was* their own
16:09 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd7RJXC_alg fuck herd immunity killers like this
16:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: State Farm Fires Anti-Vaxxer Rob Schneider After Public Outcry - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:10 < RangerZ> sure you should 'question' the topic, but we already proved there isn't a link...
16:10 < RangerZ> they should also continue to question gravity... and go leap off tall buildings
16:10 < aestetix> anti vaxxer
16:10 < aestetix> please tell me that's related to VAX and not some feminist term
16:11 < RangerZ> vaccinations
16:11 < aestetix> oh god
16:11 < aestetix> yeah ebola is becoming an issue, we should make sure not to get vaccines
16:11 < RangerZ> anti-vaccer doesn't read as well in english
16:12 < RangerZ> b/c 'vaccine' is pronounced 'vax.... ' etc
16:13 < RangerZ> but yeah... these people are dangerous
16:13 < RangerZ> thats why we've had a rash of... what was it...mumps or measles ... out west
16:13 < aestetix> I'm not sure why they think they are more qualified to determine if they need vaccines than a doctor
16:13 < RangerZ> http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/07/opinion/shih-measles-vaccine/
16:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Measles outbreak: Blame anti-vaccine movement (Opinion) - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com)
16:14 < RangerZ> aestetix: because there was ONE journal article (now debunked) like 20 years ago that said there was a link
16:14 < aestetix> a link?
16:15 < RangerZ> that former-doctor is no longer allowed to see patients in the UK, b/c he's lost his certifications
16:15 < aestetix> Yes, I can search on the internet for "measles" and learn some things. But a doctor sees this stuff every day and knows directly what to do
16:15 < RangerZ> over other un-related BS too
16:16 < RangerZ> http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/21/2040051/uk-measles-outbreak-anti-vaccine-study/
16:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Thanks To Debunked Anti-Vaccine Study, U.K. Sees Dramatic Surge In Measles Cases | ThinkProgress (at thinkprogress.org)
16:16 < RangerZ> "Dr. Andrew Wakefield", plus there was financial conflicts of interest that were discovered later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
16:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Andrew Wakefield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:18 < RangerZ> basically it is THIS ONE GUY'S FAULT
16:18 < RangerZ> its not often you can blame a single person for a issue like this
16:18 < RangerZ> but this time...
16:35 < aestetix> ok this explains a lot
16:35 < aestetix> http://blogfinger.net/2013/11/03/uptalk-like-and-vocal-fry-young-women-adopt-annoying-new-speech-patterns/
16:38 < aestetix> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2727763/Dont-blame-Neighbours-Clueless-annoying-uptalk-VIKINGS-claims-scientist.html
16:38 < aestetix> Stephen Fry described uptalk as the ‘language of the Sunny Delight generation’ and said he ‘barely knows anyone under 20 who doesn’t use it’.
16:38 < cordless_> aestetix: never really  thought about it, but I'm sure now that I hear it daily
16:39 < cordless_> Thanks for ruining my night.. I'm sure my wife does that. :(
16:39 < cordless_> Haha
16:39 < aestetix> it is SO fucking annoying
16:39 < aestetix> aka it is so fucking ANNOYING?
16:40 < cordless_> Actually she isn't bad. English is her third language :P
16:41 < cordless_> I hear the girls around campus speaking that way... and the speech class last year... disgusting.
16:42 < aestetix> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20140120061951-64875646-want-a-promotion-then-don-t-upspeak
16:42 < aestetix> here are some videos of it
16:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:45 < aestetix> cordless_: EVERYONE at harvard did it
16:45 < aestetix> well, everyone under like 30
16:45 < aestetix> it was so fucking annoying
16:45 < RangerZ> speaking of the 2nd video on that linkedin link
16:46 <@cordless> I'm not surprised..
16:46 < RangerZ> apparently 'make up' is the 'other' big genre of videos on youtube other than gaming
16:46 < aestetix> Apparently a lot of american higher ed has adopted it
16:46 <@cordless> Speaking of, were you impressed by those harvard 'elites'
16:46 < RangerZ> yay for hearing impediment in one ear, I don't hear it
16:47 < aestetix> cordless_: they asked good questions
16:47 <@cordless> Questions that couldn't be answered :D
16:48 < aestetix> yes
16:49 < RangerZ> honestly i don't hear it except the kim kardashian example
16:49 <@cordless> aestetix: I had a bit of nostalgia last night. Found the 'F the RIAA' t-shirt I got from you at PN7
16:50 < aestetix> hahaha
16:51 <@cordless> RangerZ: You're just used to completely ignoring the 'college girls' words... and staring somewhere else?
16:52 < RangerZ> 'college' girls near me are all foreigners anyways
16:53 < RangerZ> being white american is a minority here
16:53 < RangerZ> especially white male
16:53 <@cordless> Where are you?
16:53 < RangerZ> vandy
16:53 < RangerZ> but grad school is like 60/40 female/male or something
16:53 <@cordless> oh.. that's why you've spent so much on undergrad?
16:53 < RangerZ> nah
16:54 < RangerZ> i didn't spend much on undergrad
16:54 < RangerZ> my student loan debt is still less than 1 year's salary at any reasonable job I could get
16:54 <@cordless> Is it really that difficult to get in? I'd love to go to Nashville instead of Cookeville, but I dicked off in HS :\
16:54 <@cordless> Granted that was 10 years ago, but..
16:54 <@shapr> I have $30k in student loan debt
16:54 < RangerZ> undergrad and graduate admissions are NOTHING alike
16:55 < RangerZ> you can get into grad school if you 'come close' to meeting the 'minimum requirements' but a prof there wants you
16:55 <@cordless> ah. So I'd probably be alright for graduate? I have 0 student loan debt :P. Your tax dollars are paying for my education :D
16:56 < RangerZ> thats sorta what happened to me, I got lucky and went to UC Berkeley and then Vanderbilt for two summers in a row, doing undergraduate research
16:56 < RangerZ> and had a faculty sponsor
16:56 < RangerZ> basically
16:56 < aestetix> I wonder if I could get into grad school
16:56 < RangerZ> you have a BS?
16:56 < aestetix> no
16:56 < RangerZ> BS AS ?
16:57 <@cordless> RangerZ: did you get your BS from Vandy?
16:57 < RangerZ> oh god no
16:57 < aestetix> but I just did a talk at harvard
16:57 < RangerZ> YSU, a state univ. in ohio
16:57 < RangerZ> aestetix: so? giving a talk on a topic doesn't mean you have the skill set to get into grad school
16:57 < RangerZ> BUt
16:57 <@cordless> Ah ok.. isn't the masters / doctorate program at Vandy fully funded??
16:58 < RangerZ> if you took the GRE
16:58 < aestetix> what is the skill set composed of
16:58 <@cordless> I talked to a recruiter for it earlier in the year
16:58 < aestetix> note that I also hate bureaucracy
16:58 < RangerZ> GRE = SAT/ACT for grad school
16:59 < RangerZ> out of 800 in both math and vocab, and then 0-6 on writing (was the old scale)
16:59 < aestetix> I'm also anti-authoritarian
16:59 < RangerZ> 700+ for math and 500+ for vocab and 4+ on writing
17:00 < RangerZ> would be enough for you to get into a CS grad program
17:01 < aestetix> RangerZ: is there a point where they don't care about test scores?
17:01 < RangerZ> skillset = things you learn as an undergraduate, how to write research papers, a math minor (generally) abstract math, linear algebra, set theory, and "programming" , and hardware implementations, such as assembly code/micro-architectures
17:01 < RangerZ> let alone the 'theory' stuff
17:02 < RangerZ> only if you are going to an absolutely new program who is in need of students
17:03 <@cordless> RangerZ: I assume it's similar for CE or EE?
17:03 < RangerZ> and even then, generally only if it is their first degree of that level
17:03 < RangerZ> 'similar' different focuses, obviously
17:03 < RangerZ> EE is more engineering based, than theory
17:03 <@cordless> I meant acceptance-wise.
17:03 <@cordless> ;)
17:04 < RangerZ> thats only one of the major criteria
17:04 < RangerZ> but yes, generally the same for GRE
17:04 < RangerZ> vocab is all 'trick' questions
17:04 < RangerZ> so is math too
17:04 <@cordless> hmm.. difficult to get into some of the research projects there? I'd like to get involved sometime soon..
17:05 < RangerZ> thats easy, but you need to be enrolled
17:05 < RangerZ> lol
17:05 <@cordless> They told me being involved as an undergraduate would greatly increase chances of acceptance into the grad school.
17:05 < RangerZ> cordless_: depends on the univ
17:05 < RangerZ> some univ. don't want you going to the same for both
17:05 < RangerZ> vandy doesn't seem to mind
17:05 < RangerZ> UC Berkeley does
17:05 < RangerZ> standford does
17:05 <@cordless> I don't think tech should have a problem..
17:06 < RangerZ> and its good to go to different ones , mainly b/c you get exposed to different research topics and methodology more than anything
17:06 <@cordless> I should have my BS in EE for free, then if I can get accepted into a graduate/phd program at vanderbilt, I should be able to continue schooling affordably
17:06 < RangerZ> but if you are an undergraduate at anywhere in the US, you can apply for NSF REUs
17:06 < aestetix> Honestly if I were to try for grad school it would be more for an ILS type thing
17:07 < RangerZ> and get 2k/mo stipend, and go do research at a Research 1 Univ. in the US, (obviously if you are accepted), with full room/board/flight to/from paid for
17:07 < RangerZ> thats what I did
17:08 < RangerZ> ils?
17:08 < RangerZ> instrument landing system?
17:08 < aestetix> internet/law society
17:08 < RangerZ> ahh
17:09 < RangerZ> just a 'law' degree then?
17:09 < aestetix> which is kind of what berkam nis
17:09 < RangerZ> or more 'social' ?
17:09 <@cordless> RangerZ: just apply from the nsf.gov site?
17:09 <@cordless> I haven't had much guidance :|
17:09 < aestetix> more looking at what people are trying to do with tech, and why it won't work
17:09 < RangerZ> https://www.nsf.gov/crssprgm/reu/reu_search.jsp
17:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: nsf.gov - Search for an REU Site - US National Science Foundation (NSF) (at www.nsf.gov)
17:09 < RangerZ> you find the 'category' and then you apply to each school independently
17:09 <@cordless> Yes, I've found a list of Universities
17:10 < RangerZ> also, you'll need to spend ~2 mo prepping, and most due dates are coming up
17:10 < RangerZ> you might be able to rush it
17:10 < RangerZ> but you'll need letters of recommendation
17:10 <@cordless> Ah ok. Vandy's got Nanoscale materials, that's what I've been interested in :)
17:11 < RangerZ> LoR can be a PITA, b/c profs generally fall into two categories
17:11 <@cordless> I know the former dean of engineering personally, and I did their engineering prep program back in high school.. but I'm sure I could get something. That's how you got in?
17:11 < RangerZ> ADHD or OCD
17:11 < RangerZ> ADHD profs forget about your LoR all the time..... lol
17:11 < RangerZ> yeah
17:11 < RangerZ> a letter of rec from him would have a lot of weight
17:11 <@cordless> Just need LoR's from any Professor? Or an expert in the field you're applying for?
17:12 < RangerZ> profs generally have more impact than 'experts' , unless you worked with them professionally
17:12 < RangerZ> b/c it is an 'academic' LOR, not a "this guy is a good person" ones
17:12 <@cordless> So, any professor I've had?
17:12 <@cordless> I'm quite sure I'd have glowing LoR's from any professor I've had :D
17:13 < RangerZ> but the ex dean would count if you mentored under him
17:13 < RangerZ> but 'just' personal relationships isn't really good enough , but a DEAN might be basically the exception to that rule
17:13 < RangerZ> lol
17:14 < RangerZ> aestetix: it'd really depend on the admission requirements of the program you want to get into
17:14 < aestetix> well
17:14 < RangerZ> b/c my advisor went from anthropology to CS for grad school
17:14 < aestetix> my friend who invited me to that harvard talk is now pushing me to apply for fellowship
17:14 < aestetix> so we shall see
17:15 < RangerZ> basically a 4 year college degree has become the new HS diploma
17:15 < aestetix> which has really watered down the value of college
17:15 < RangerZ> yes/no, its changed it more than anything
17:15 < RangerZ> but thats not 'terrible' in and of itself
17:16 < RangerZ> the problem is, you CAN NOT make a living wage anymore on just unskilled manual labor
17:16 < RangerZ> unless you are very lucky
17:16 < RangerZ> and happen to find a job that still has a union shop, (like my step dad)
17:17 < aestetix> if that's the case
17:17 < aestetix> RangerZ: how fucked is the US in 10 years?
17:17 < RangerZ> badly
17:17 < aestetix> You can't get a job without a degree, and you can't get a degree withou massive student loan debt
17:17 < RangerZ> he's _THE_ most productive furnace operator in the counrty, the DOD and the company he works for had a team of engineers following him around for a month watching what/how he does his work
17:18 < RangerZ> which is great.... but sadly... he's unable to change a lightbulb at home...
17:18 <@cordless> nice.
17:18 < RangerZ> so I no longer fly
17:18 < RangerZ> b/c he pours the most important part in boeing's jet engine assemblies
17:18 <@cordless> aestetix: suppose I wasn't so crazy for joining the armed forces before.
17:18 < RangerZ> LOL
17:19 < RangerZ> cordless_: nah you were
17:19 <@cordless> I've got no debt, and I actually get paid to go to class.
17:19 < RangerZ> just for other reasons
17:19 < RangerZ> lol
17:19 < aestetix> cordless: nope
17:19 <@cordless> It really wasn't that bad RangerZ
17:19 < aestetix> cordless: and if you stay in the service till you have the pensio
17:19 < RangerZ> you were mechanic?
17:19 < aestetix> you'll be set for life
17:19 <@Corydon76> aestetix: who said you can't get a job without a degree?
17:20 < RangerZ> I said you can't with just unskilled major labor
17:20 < aestetix> Corydon76: RangerZ
17:20 < RangerZ> there is a diff
17:20 <@cordless> aestetix: I could deal with the shit much longer. And with downsizing.. just got tired of the shit.
17:20 < RangerZ> and I didn't say "can't get a job" i said "make a living wage"
17:20 < aestetix> ok
17:20 <@cordless> Yes RangerZ, KC-130 aircraft mechanic.
17:20 < aestetix> so I can get three jobs to live on
17:20 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: there are plenty of people working in IT who don't have college degrees
17:20 < RangerZ> plumbers don't have a "degree" but they have _skilled_ labor
17:20 <@cordless> I got to see the world, and got a whole lot of life experience while getting paid. :D. Wasn't all good though.
17:20 < RangerZ> IT is a _skilled_ labor
17:21 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: I don't have a degree, and I make a good chunk of change as a programmer
17:21  * Dickie bashes two rocks together
17:21  * Dickie grunts
17:21 < RangerZ> yet again, you're kicking a dead horse
17:21 <@cordless> A degree doesn't entitle you to a great job either RangerZ
17:21 < RangerZ> b/c I already said IT is a _skilled_ labor
17:21 < aestetix> IT is one of the few places you can get a job without a degree
17:21 < RangerZ> cordless never said it did
17:22 <@cordless> I know RangerZ, just making a statement. I agree with you on the unskilled labor.
17:22 <@Corydon76> So who can't earn a living wage without a college degree?
17:22 <@brimstone> frsilent: I'LL SEE YOU THERE
17:22 < RangerZ> people without skilled labor training
17:22 < RangerZ> or family connections
17:22 <@cordless> Corydon76: I think he's referring to fast food workers, etc.
17:22 < RangerZ> cordless actually no, I meant steel mill workers
17:23 < RangerZ> since I'm from the Rust Belt
17:23 < RangerZ> b/c honestly that was unskilled labor
17:23 < RangerZ> just lots and lots of potentially dangerous labor
17:23 < RangerZ> LOL
17:23 <@Corydon76> cordless: unfortunately, I know a lot of those with college degrees
17:24 < RangerZ> and lets be honest...
17:24 < RangerZ> 'college degree' should be STEM college degree
17:24 < RangerZ> or medical
17:24 < RangerZ> lol
17:24 <@Corydon76> The problem, currently, is that there's a lot of people out there with _useless_ degrees
17:24 <@cordless> Corydon76: That's the people I was referring to that weren't guarenteed a good job just because they have a degree
17:24 <@Corydon76> and those useless degrees really aren't worth the paper they're printed on
17:25 <@cordless> Yep. One of my high school friends just got his masters degree in outdoor activities or something stupid like that.
17:25 <@cordless> Qualifies him to lead nature walks, etc.
17:25 <@Corydon76> I'm out again.  Have to go do some consulting work.
17:25 <@cordless> He's working in a hospital in Montana cleaning beds.
17:25 <@cordless> Later Corydon76
17:25 <@Corydon76> cordless: See you at the Geek Social?
17:27 <@cordless> Corydon76: Maybe. I'm tutoring in an hour, not sure how long it'll take
17:27 <@cordless> It's a guy in Calculus 2, and hasn't been doing so well..
17:27 < RangerZ> fuck calc 2
17:27 < RangerZ> god damn B
17:28 < RangerZ> I was SOOO lucky my school didn't have minuses and pluses
17:28 < RangerZ> I would have gotten B------------------------
17:28 < RangerZ> for calc 2
17:28 < RangerZ> lol
17:28 <@cordless> LOL
17:28 <@cordless> It isn't that bad
17:28 <@cordless> Provided you put in the necessary time and effort
17:28 < RangerZ> I _skipped_ integrals on the final... and still got a B, b/c I had mastered derivatives and series
17:29 <@cordless> haha
17:29 < RangerZ> Ohh I had put time/effort, just kicked my ass, calc 1 & 2 were 2 of my only 4 Bs in undergrad
17:30 < RangerZ> I basically lived in the math assistance center to the point where I had a first name basis with every advisor there...
17:30 <@cordless> This guy just can't understand trig substitution.
17:31 <@cordless> Because he hasn't even memorized his trig functions, and transformations. :\. I keep trying to tell him..
17:32 <@cordless> He's pretty good with derivatives, and simple integration, but he can't recognize which techniques he should be using to integrate.. just gets frustrated whenever one doesn't work
17:32 < RangerZ> learn the unit circle
17:32 < RangerZ> its how I finally 'got' it
17:32 < RangerZ> b/c you can actually just 'figure out' the substitions from the circle
17:33 <@cordless> Yea, that's pretty essential..
17:33 <@cordless> The triangles help, but the Unit circle is a must
17:34 < frsilent> idk how anyone can get past pre-calc without that damn thing imprinted in long-term memory
17:35 < frsilent> RangerZ: you feel any discussion on a universal basic income?
17:35 < frsilent> * run sql that derek made (revisions)
17:35 < frsilent> sorry, mt ^
17:35 < frsilent> http://www.reddit.com/r/basicincome
17:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Basic Income Community on Reddit (at www.reddit.com)
17:38 < RangerZ> universal basic income is great 'initial' policy, bad politics, and bad 'long term' policy
17:38 < RangerZ> because it would allow conservatives a _very_ convincing argument that ALL other funding sources should be cut
17:39 < RangerZ> which would end up hurting more in the long run
17:39 < RangerZ> b/c people are NOT rational actors
17:40 < RangerZ> and any policy that in pinned on that belief, is doomed to failure in practice
17:40 < frsilent> what do you think might be a better alternative considering 50+ years down the road with the rise of automation?
17:41 < RangerZ> much higher min. wages as a starting point, we decide that 'minimum wage' is not the mythical pay that only high school students get paid, and instead make it a living wage that can support a _moderate_ living for a family of 4
17:42 < RangerZ> OR
17:42 < RangerZ> we set maximum hours a person can work caps
17:42 < RangerZ> such as 36 hrs/week
17:42 < RangerZ> drive up 'free time' time for every person
17:42 < RangerZ> which would lead to a drive in more entertainment
17:42 < RangerZ> etc
17:43 < RangerZ> those are both potentially viable
17:43 < RangerZ> honestly the 'capped' hours would probably work better
17:44 < RangerZ> but would be hard to enforce for things that don't _require_ you to be 'at' work
17:44 < RangerZ> also you have different levels of society, when it comes to their willingness to adopt automation
17:45 < RangerZ> I've for at least the past 2 years wondered why the FUCK I have to stand in a line to order my food at wendys
17:45 < frsilent> yeah but long-term I see it as an inevitability
17:45 < RangerZ> there should be machines with touchscreens where I can enter my meal order
17:45 < frsilent> & that's what my current employer is trying to do, replace restaurant employees with ipads
17:46 < RangerZ> I got into an argument with aestetix over that
17:46 < frsilent> we've already got Kiosk pilots in some restaurants that seem to be working pretty well
17:46 < RangerZ> saying that places like cheesecake factory should have fucking e-devices per table, and for you to use while waiting, so you can look up the food/menu
17:46 < RangerZ> b/c it has 123233945875 things on ti
17:46 < RangerZ> it*
17:46 < RangerZ> and you have no idea what 3/4 of them are
17:46 < frsilent> lol yeah their menu sucks
17:47 <@cordless> frsilent: The chili's in Lebanon has those. Pretty handy
17:47 < RangerZ> but he argued that he "goes out" to "talk with the waiter/waitress"
17:47 < frsilent> cordless: probably our competitor Ziosk but we've also got ours in some chili's airport franchises
17:47 < frsilent> HMS Host is a client
17:48 < RangerZ> and thats fine, you don't have to kill off the hostess/waitress job entirely, but it should be augmented in nicer restaurants
17:48 < frsilent> fuck that noise, I'd venture to say most people aren't trying to become friends with their waiter/waitress/bartender
17:48 < RangerZ> unless they are cute
17:48 < frsilent> another one of our products is 'ServerPad' where it's just a tool for the waiter
17:48 < frsilent> our selling point being that they can "manage more tables" with it
17:49 < RangerZ> and at that point... I'd rather have ipads with the menu, where I can order and pay... and a collection of cute single girls/guys available to ask if they would like to sit with me and chat
17:49 < RangerZ> just make it speed dating restaurant
17:49 < RangerZ> lol
17:50 < frsilent> yeah, with the ipad-per-table or person solution the server only has to refill drinks, ask if they can help, etc
17:50 < frsilent> & a table doesn't have to wait on them to send an order into the kitchen
17:50 < RangerZ> but thats an 'edge' case
17:50 <@Wilpig> that's kind of how the "ziosk" system works
17:50 < RangerZ> we have a severe lacking of Sheetz locations around here
17:50 < RangerZ> and Sheetz's MTO system is great
17:50 < frsilent> Wilpig: 17:47 < frsilent> cordless: probably our competitor Ziosk but we've also got ours in some chili's airport franchises
17:51 <@Wilpig> heh.  I've used that one
17:51 < RangerZ> fucking enter your order and it is cooked to order
17:51 < frsilent> yeah ours is very similar to theirs, biggest difference is that a restaurant has to send them their menu & they build it for them
17:51 < frsilent> our company has a web backend so IMO we're a better solution for scaling
17:51 <@Wilpig> I don't like how the chili's here uses it
17:51 <@Wilpig> you can only reorder drinks, order deserts, and pay with it
17:52 < frsilent> yeah, & appetizers (or at least you used'ta'could)
17:52 <@Wilpig> they've told me I could order them but it doesn't work
17:52 <@Wilpig> you can see them, but no way to order them
17:52 < frsilent> we place the burden of managing the menu on the customer, so they login to the site, create menus/pages/categories/items & can do rules/modifiers
17:53 < frsilent> a modifier being well-done, no mayo, etc & rules being time-based cost or visibility
17:53 < frsilent> for things like happy hour
17:54 < RangerZ> I want to be able to pay via CC or paypal without the waitress coming back
17:54 < RangerZ> etc
17:54 < RangerZ> thats always annoyed me too
17:54 < RangerZ> and apple payments will allow that apparently
17:54 < frsilent> visit Tampa & check out Carmel Cafe
17:55 < RangerZ> which is why they will probably be the 'standard' one that most people will end up using
17:55 < RangerZ> nah, i've been to tampa enough
17:55 < RangerZ> LOL
17:55 < RangerZ> had family in st. pete
17:55 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: the ziosk thing lets you pay with a credit card without interactig with the staff
17:55 < frsilent> we've got it working that way other than paypal; I'm working on an API at the moment so we're hopefully moving to mobile
17:55 <@Wilpig> It would be nice if it took more payment options
17:55 < frsilent> so you can interface with the store POS from your phone
17:56 < frsilent> Wilpig: stop advertising the competition! lol
17:56 <@Wilpig> but I like it!  and it works!
17:56 < RangerZ> I meant at the table, but still, thats not too bad
17:57 < aestetix> god this is fascinating
17:57 < aestetix> https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/02/the-nsa-and-me/
17:59 < frsilent> Wilpig: ours is very similar & imo much better
18:00 <@cordless> Be back in a bit. Gotta tutor. o.O
18:00 < frsilent> only real problem I have with my company is I think the iOS dev has severely over-sold his capabilities & there's not a whole lot of accountability / perceived worth
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18:00 < frsilent> ie while I consider myself a pretty jr programmer, I'm way ahead of some of my coworkers...but pretty sure we're paid the same
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18:01 < frsilent> & the iOS guy gets confused by very simple design patterns; ie inheritance with a base class; instead he has 400 lines of near-identical classes
18:08 < RangerZ> oh he'd fucking hate the shit I discuss with doug then
18:08 < RangerZ> building design languages
18:08 < RangerZ> lol
18:09 < frsilent> I wouldn't mind if he stayed in his lane but this guy has a massive ego
18:09 < aestetix> penis
18:09 < frsilent> & likes to scope out work for our web team
18:10 < frsilent> this api I'm working on he has "suggestions" that are like massive 800 ln JSON mockups on confluence
18:10 < RangerZ> my understanding of objective C is that it is very MVC heavy
18:11 < RangerZ> and that might be why he's using it that way, lots of models almost identical
18:11 < RangerZ> which is.... beyond fucking stupid...
18:11 < frsilent> one of the fields he listed is a class name; so like "controller.addButton.label" : "Add +"
18:11 < RangerZ> umm...
18:11 < frsilent> I'm just like 'uhhh...you do realize that this gets compiled...right?"
18:12 < frsilent> yeah, he also briefly argued that our api should be plists by default instead of json
18:12 < frsilent> like... wat
18:12 < frsilent> so he could do a newObject = plist.parse(x) or something I guess
18:12 < RangerZ> umm
18:12 < frsilent> I shut that down pretty early
18:12 < RangerZ> json is a type of plists AFAIK
18:12 < RangerZ> just plist dictionaries
18:13 < RangerZ> also, you shouldn't be fucking parsing json yourself
18:13 < frsilent> plists as I understand it are 1-to-1 with an obj-c object
18:13 < RangerZ> thats what libraries are for
18:13 < RangerZ> so are fucking json
18:13 < RangerZ> ORM
18:13 < frsilent> oh...something on that note...about 2 months ago the app was "unusable" after a patch
18:13 < RangerZ> object realational model
18:14 < RangerZ> relational*
18:14 < frsilent> he pointed fingers saying that it was the loading of our json & that we needed to reduce it's size
18:14 < frsilent> carmel cafe is a wine bar....with like 10k wine options...
18:14 < RangerZ> https://square.github.io/retrofit/
18:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Retrofit (at square.github.io)
18:14 < RangerZ> i'm SURE there is something like this for obj.C
18:14 < frsilent> he said that he had to load the entire json into memory before being able to build the menu from it
18:14 < frsilent> yeah, core data
18:14 < RangerZ> umm
18:14 < RangerZ> no
18:15 < RangerZ> piecewise parsing
18:15 < frsilent> yeah, I try to be tactful but that's the shit that gets under my skin
18:15 < frsilent> there's a daily 'wtf, are you serious?' moment
18:15 < RangerZ> frsilent: where are you located?
18:15 < RangerZ> b/c I need a consulting job, for some spare money
18:16 < RangerZ> wtf
18:16 < RangerZ> lol
18:16 < frsilent> company's in tampa but I work remotely from atlanta
18:16 < frsilent> & well....the company does like writing checks if you're serious
18:16 < RangerZ> after nov 12th
18:16 < RangerZ> then sure
18:16 < RangerZ> problem is I don't have a mac :/
18:16 < RangerZ> fucking apple
18:17 < frsilent> lol, it just "works" though
18:18 < frsilent> I just feel like everyone would be better off with a little dose of humility
18:18 < RangerZ> but honestly, I could probably just do a static code analysis and start crying
18:18 < frsilent> I don't get the inflated eegos
18:19 < RangerZ> its just "whose dick is longer"
18:20 < frsilent> insecure people =\
18:24 < aestetix> sweet
18:24 < aestetix> http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/02/technology/security/jpmorgan-hack/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
18:24 < aestetix> another hack
18:25 < frsilent> lol! my buddy's going to love hearing about that
18:27 < frsilent> he didn't get a job there about 3mo ago because he was asking for too much (he worked at Morgan Stanley for 10yrs before they screwed everyone's pensions)
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19:11 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFuSPVW8P_M
19:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: TEACHER STUDENT THREESOME!! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:11 < RangerZ> 920 chicken mass murderer
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19:13 < RangerZ> and not just Bahhumbug on nickel hotwing day at BW3s
19:19 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VufDd-QL1c0 and wtf.. I didn't know know this was a thing...
19:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Animator vs. Animation IV (original) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:20 < RangerZ> new one came out... and was kick started
19:21 <@Wilpig> someone goto the store for me and get brown sugar and bacon
19:27 <@sasquatc4> uggh goddamnit, kids now are so fucked in their education, theres protestors in the second largest school district in CO right now cause they are basically trying to create a 'review' board of republicans to go over the history curriculum
19:27 <@sasquatc4> with the goal of 'promoting patriotism and the benefits of a free market society' while downplaying and discouraging the role of civil disobedience
19:32 < RangerZ> sasquatc4: yep
19:33 < RangerZ> b/c "AP History is teaching an entire section on slavery, japanese enternment, and how we nuked japan killing 10,000s of civilians"
19:33 < RangerZ> and "and only 2 sentences on george washington and martin luther king jr."
19:33 < RangerZ> which is a blatent lie... OR
19:34 < RangerZ> its not covering those PARTS OF HISTORY...
19:34 < RangerZ> b/c you can't teach ALL of history in a single fucking.... (well anything) let alone class
19:36 <@sasquatc4> yea, and you may as well cover the basics like george washington and mlk in the history classes everyone has to take and leave the other stuff for the AP since theres so much
19:38 < RangerZ> yeah
19:38 <@eryc> they need a few people from beijing on that board
19:38 < RangerZ> but those quotes are new talking points in ultra-conservative echo chambers
19:39 < RangerZ> might as well have teach about the fact that the KKK and the NRA were founded near each other in the same year, and the geo-political reasons for that
19:40 <@eryc> well the 2nd amendment was crated to keep the slaves in line
19:40 < RangerZ> aka... end of slavery and the reconstruction ending
19:40 < RangerZ> more to keep the military out of your house
19:40 < RangerZ> b/c of what the 3rd is
19:40 <@eryc> nope
19:42 <@eryc> http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/thom-hartmann-second-amendment-was-ratified-preserve-slavery
19:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Thom Hartmann: The Second Amendment Was Ratified to Preserve Slavery | Alternet (at www.alternet.org)
19:42 <@Dickie> I... I disagree
19:43 < RangerZ> it was actually all of them
19:43 <@eryc> look Dickie, your history books were written by liberals we can't trust anything you learned
19:43 < RangerZ> also self defense from indians
19:43 < RangerZ> etc
19:44 < RangerZ> but I don't remember the last time the apache tribe came and raided my village
19:44 < RangerZ> I was asleep at the time
19:44 < RangerZ> aestetix: 100% chance of thunderstorms tonight, with 30% chance of them being severe
19:44 < RangerZ> lol
19:44 <@eryc> i won't forget heartbleed
19:45 <@eryc> apache did us wrong
19:47 < RangerZ> ohh that was nothing
19:47 < RangerZ> just wait for the next big one
19:48 < RangerZ> where they turn apache and nodejs into worm pits spawning 1000s of worms all at once , and using spiders to find sites running apache or nodejs
19:49  * RangerZ wonders how many nightmares of the people in here I just envoked 
19:49 < RangerZ> lol
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20:23 <@Wilpig> RangerZ1, Dagmar: either of you getting super smash bros for the 3ds?
20:24 < RangerZ> I'm not buying a single game until 11/12
20:24 < RangerZ> maybe after then
20:24 <@eryc> Wilpig: i'll smash with you bro
20:28 < RangerZ1> plus its going to be a PITA with the current 3DS
20:29 <@Wilpig> my stepdad just sent me this and asked if it should mean something to the at&t tech that will be there tomorrow
20:29 <@Wilpig> --- google.com ping statistics ---
20:29 <@Wilpig> 10 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 20.0% packet loss
20:29 <@Wilpig> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 183.425/253.932/404.967/75.412 ms
20:29 < RangerZ1> its obvious they designed it for the new one with the 2nd stick
20:29 < RangerZ1> umm..]
20:29 <@Wilpig> look at that latency for dsl
20:29 < RangerZ1> do you lik your stepdad?
20:29 < RangerZ1> like*
20:30 <@Wilpig> that's some bullshit right there
20:30 < RangerZ1> if so, then yes, otherwise no
20:30 <@Wilpig> clearly there's a problem.  i'm positive they have too much line noise
20:30 <@Wilpig> I've been betting on water on the line somewhere between them and the dslam for months
20:30 < RangerZ1> but yeah... thats some bullshit there
20:30 <@Wilpig> getting my stepdad irritated enough to demand a tech come out was the problem
20:31 <@Wilpig> it took him trying for three days to upload a batch of pictures that wouldn't go, to him going to mcdonalds down the road and all the pics uploading in a few minutes while he was having coffee
20:37 <@Wilpig> controls look pretty straight forward without the new stick.  http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry3.html
20:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U: Basic Controls (at www.smashbros.com)
20:38 <@Wilpig> WOW!  he reran it with 100 packets.
20:38 <@Wilpig> --- google.com ping statistics ---
20:38 <@Wilpig> 100 packets transmitted, 93 packets received, 7.0% packet loss
20:38 <@Wilpig> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 715.778/974.166/1197.944/107.474 ms
20:38 <@Wilpig> 715ms min
20:38 <@Wilpig> WTF
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20:57 <@cordless> RangerZ1: http://www.vanderbilt.edu/vinse/reu/
20:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Research Experience for Undergraduates | VINSE - Vanderbilt Institute of Nanoscale Science and Engineering (at www.vanderbilt.edu)
20:58 <@cordless> this is what you're talking about right?
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22:44 < RangerZ> cordless thats _a_ reu
22:45 < RangerZ> not the one I was part of, but yeah, thats similar, NSF-REUs exist for most dept and fields
23:04 < RangerZ> https://www.truststc.org/education/reu/index.html thats what I took part in, but it was UBC, Cornell, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and CMU those two years
23:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Team for Research in Ubiquitous Secure Technology (TRUST) (at www.truststc.org)
23:06 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.truststc.org/research/sos.html if you are looking for profs near you to interact with, this might be the place to start
23:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Team for Research in Ubiquitous Secure Technology (TRUST) (at www.truststc.org)
23:07 < RangerZ> but you'll have to use Legal name when interact with them, b/c I doubt they will play games with psuedonyms
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23:30 < aestetix> penis
23:35 < aestetix> RangerZ: for what?
23:41 < RangerZ> b/c 'identity' is a crucial part of security
23:43 < RangerZ> I spoke with some of the proffesors in the EECS there, about it when I was there, b/c access control models is one of the areas of interest I had at the time (still do, but not as a personal research area)
23:43 < aestetix> I'll just tell them my name is Dave Brown
23:45 <@brimstone> why's you got to be brown?
23:46 < aestetix> Because I like poop
23:46 < RangerZ> he doesn't like white rice
23:46 < RangerZ> when he had his first erection, his mom made red beans and white rice, and invited the entire neighborhood
23:46 < aestetix> .... what?
23:46 < RangerZ> it was a very _bad_ time in his life
23:47 < RangerZ> red beans and rice, a traditional meal had when a girl hits puberty...
23:47 < RangerZ> b/c 'red' on 'white sheets'
23:48 < RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menarche
23:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Menarche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:48 < aestetix> Does it make their poop white?
23:56 <@eryc> When a Japanese girl has her first period, the family sometimes celebrates by eating red-colored rice and beans (sekihan). The color of blood and the red of sekihan are not related. All the rice of ancient times of Japan was red. Since rice was precious in ancient Japan (usually, millet was eaten), it was eaten only during the celebration. Sekihan is the tradition of an ancient custom. The celebration is kept a secret from extended family until the
23:57 <@eryc> so it has nothing to do with red on white sheets
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