--- Log opened Wed Oct 01 00:00:10 2014
00:01 < RangerZ> just imagine the lines in front of the theater before the show
00:03 < RangerZ> Just imagine the cosplayers, how neat and orderly they would look all together like that
00:03 < RangerZ> lol... ok... I really shouldn't be finding this _THIS_ funny
00:26 <@Dickie> I wanna come!
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00:26 <@Dickie> Who's couch can I crash on?
00:31 <@Dagmar> Soo... Let's work out how many ways we can detect drones
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00:39 <@Dickie> 1) sight
00:39 <@Dickie> your turn
00:40 <@Dagmar> The next question is better...
00:40 <@Dagmar> How nice are they drones they use?  :)
00:50 < RangerZ> the next question is better....
00:50 < RangerZ> what encryption ...if any... are their drones using?
00:51 < RangerZ> followed by "authentication"
00:51 < RangerZ> b/c parot AR drones are a joke
00:52 < RangerZ> and apparently you can spoof GPS enough to fuck with predator drones ....
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01:05 <@Bahhumbug> If anyone wants a _really_ good mswin screenshot / screencast tool I just came across http://getsharex.com/ and it seems quite awesome so far.  I've been using winsnap since the 90s and this is the first tool that has made me want to switch.
01:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: ShareX - Take screenshots or screencasts, annotate, upload and share URL in clipboard (at getsharex.com)
01:06 <@Bahhumbug> The feature set is _very_ full, you can upload, literally, anywhere, has automated workflow tools, etc.
01:06 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and it's free.
01:06 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure you've all been using this for ever and been keeping it to yourselves.
01:06 <@Bahhumbug> But I never heard of it until tonight.
01:20 < RangerZ> hmm
01:20 < RangerZ> interesting, never have i, but looks good
01:21 <@Bahhumbug> You can make it do pretty much anything.  The workflow tools are incredibly powerful when you start playing with them.
01:24 < RangerZ> nice
01:24 < RangerZ> writing a paper
01:25 < RangerZ> i'll check it out tomorrow or somethign
01:25 < RangerZ> thing*
01:25 < RangerZ> b/c I'd like a free trip to rome in dec... i mean...
01:26 < RangerZ> thats the one good thing about conf. ... vandy will pay for them...
01:33 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: hows the screen recording?
01:33 < RangerZ> wow... found it in docs
01:33 < RangerZ> looks feature complete
01:34 < RangerZ> dont' see FPS... but if 30, thats good 60 would be great
01:57 < aestetix_> so I think I might have set a record for the most f-bombs dropped at one of those Harvard luncheons
01:57 < aestetix_> I am proud
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02:21 < RangerZ> there was that one linguistic presentation... but they had to stop it because of decency for weak willed in the audience... but they have banned discussion of that topic on campus....
02:21 < RangerZ> some people still have PTSD over the event
02:21 < RangerZ> lol
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02:35 < RangerZ> <3 Ocular ... has a checkbox [] Obey DRM restrictions... and unchecked by default... lol
02:35 < RangerZ> sorry ./s/restrictions/limitations   ... but still
02:49 < RangerZ> aestetix_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWTfl4MJ1c you'll love the comment section
02:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Black and Yellow Sketch | Hidamari Sketch x Wiz Khalifa - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:50 < RangerZ> mixes one of the most 'cute' anime songs about color... with... well... and the comments are amusing
02:54 < RangerZ> "Also check your privilege. Joke is extremely triggering to me as a word."
03:02 < aestetix_> hahah
03:04 < aestetix_> Also, Harvard lawyer babes are really hot.
03:04 < RangerZ> female laywers in general are above average
03:05 < RangerZ> at my undergrad... our old business school building's entryway was basically a beauty contest runway each day
03:06 < aestetix_> Also they are so focused on their work that they are sexually pent up
03:06 < aestetix_> So if you wanna get laid, give a talk at harvard
03:06 < RangerZ> and I've somewhat noticed the same here with the law school, but I haven't really been over that way much
03:07 < RangerZ> Cornell works too
03:07 < RangerZ> I mean....
03:07 < RangerZ> Actually it was Ithica College, but I could have thrown a stone and hit cornell, lol
03:08 < aestetix_> They were also astonished when I said "I don't know" to some of the questions
03:08 < aestetix_> Apparently most of them try to appear like they know the answer
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03:08 < RangerZ> yes/no
03:09 < RangerZ> you gotta remember a lot of these people spend decades thinking about a single topic
03:09 < RangerZ> sure there is some of that
03:09 < aestetix_> it's not yes/no
03:09 < aestetix_> Someone came up after and told me that
03:09 < aestetix_> that the norm is to appear to know the answer
03:10 < RangerZ> yeah... harvard is a "different" kinda place for sure
03:10 < RangerZ> "gunners"
03:10 < RangerZ> if you're not familiar with the term, it means people who "gun" for #1 in every class, for the overall year, etc
03:10 < aestetix_> ugh
03:11 < RangerZ> in programs that rank individuals like that (I can really only think that law/medicine.... and the performing arts ... do that)
03:11 < aestetix_> What's the point? So you can gloat abouti t?
03:12 < RangerZ> my HS was a college prep school, we had 381 graduates, I was only in the 'top 25%' b/c i slacked off, and I still had a state honors diploma
03:12 < RangerZ> I'm used to those kinds of people, and really it isn't that hard if you do it from middle school on
03:13 < RangerZ> but for medicine its crucial
03:13 < RangerZ> b/c thats how you get the "good" positions
03:13 < RangerZ> aka... the lesser crap ones
03:14 < RangerZ> for your internships (they have different names for them..., residency, etc)
03:14 < RangerZ> to this day, I still don't work as hard as I did in middle school
03:15 < aestetix_> So they don't just do their own thing? They have to be "better" than everyone else?
03:15 < RangerZ> I would do 5~6 hours of homework a night in middle school
03:15 <@Bahhumbug> All first year residents get suck jobs out of med school, no matter where you placed because the first year sucks no matter what.
03:15 < RangerZ> if not more
03:16 < RangerZ> by design, where they have to teach all these "gunners" that they WILL kill people
03:16 < RangerZ> and people will die
03:16 < RangerZ> etc
03:20 < RangerZ> aestetix_: Bahhumbug: a new bash vuln just found, will need to patch again
03:20 < aestetix_> what
03:20 < aestetix_> link?
03:20 <@Bahhumbug> CVE?
03:21 < aestetix_> yeah
03:21 < RangerZ> aestetix_: did you setup puppet/chef yet? lol also.... *ducks from the fists of Bahhumbug as he swings to hit me from this distance*
03:21 < aestetix_> RangerZ: no, but I write a fabric script to handle it
03:21 < aestetix_> Which I haven't been able to test yet because I was travelling
03:21 < RangerZ> ahh
03:22 < aestetix_> yeah this latest round of bug releases was really fucking inconvenient
03:22 <@Bahhumbug> If you're talking about this one I can not get it to work as advertised and the environment for the exploit doesn't make any sense either: http://stevejenkins.com/blog/2014/09/shellshock-warning-even-after-patching-your-old-vulnerable-bash-binary-could-be-resurrected-from-memory/
03:23 < RangerZ> nah I was just fucking with aestetix_, but I had to add you in to make it seem believable
03:23 < aestetix_> fuck you
03:23 <@Bahhumbug> I'll cut you deep, boy.
03:24 <@Bahhumbug> There IS another pending CVE against bash, but it's not a remote hole and doesn't have a high priority because the vector is difficult to make use of.
03:25 < RangerZ> ohh today we get the XEN vuln too
03:25 < RangerZ> that aught to be interesting
03:26 <@Bahhumbug> Screw the vulnerability, I want the embargoed updates; I've got xen boxes in the field.
03:26 < RangerZ> we were speculating on what that would be... b/c if amazon and RS both were like 'welp.. fuck it..'
03:26 < RangerZ> it can't be good
03:27 < RangerZ> thats another thing too
03:27 < RangerZ> they should release the patches and then the vuln 24hrs later
03:27 <@Bahhumbug> 2 exploits I'm thinking, one that permits emulation of any instruction by any user and the other a method to break out of the guest back to the hypervisor or straight to another domU.
03:27 < RangerZ> 'incase' no one can figure out the reverse vuln from the patch
03:28 <@Bahhumbug> I've not read the XSA, I probably should at some point.
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> Why is the XSA not public yet?
03:29 <@Bahhumbug> It's been 10/1 for a few hours now.
03:30 <@Bahhumbug> @worldtime London
03:30 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: London, UK :: Current local time is: Wed, 08:30 (British Summer Time)
03:30 <@Bahhumbug> 8 hours.
03:30 < RangerZ> to fuck with you
03:30 < RangerZ> worldwide conspiracy
03:30 <@Bahhumbug> The binary embargoe ends at 0700 CST
03:31 <@Bahhumbug> s/embargoe/embargo
03:31 < RangerZ> we're running KVM for part of ISIS lab
03:31 < RangerZ> i have no idea for ISIS Cloud
03:31 < RangerZ> let alone the rest of fucking vandy
03:31 <@Bahhumbug> [02:28:04] <hughesjr> kbsingh: I get to release those RPMs in 4.5 hours
03:31 <@Bahhumbug> So that's a definite on the binary embargo expiration.
03:32 < RangerZ> too bad dag doesn't still work there, that would be fun to hear him bitch about it, lol
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> dag?
03:32 < aestetix_> lol
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, Dagmar.  Sigh.
03:32 < aestetix_> the privacy certification requires government issued id
03:32 < aestetix_> https://privacyassociation.org/certify/exam-day/
03:32 <@Bahhumbug> I was thinking Dag Weeirs.
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> (sp?)
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> Wieers.
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> I was close :/
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> Most of his shit was all vmware anyway as far as I know.  I don't know if he was doing xen stuff or not.
03:36 < RangerZ> what I'm waiting for is another fucking worm to hit all of windows and take everything from TV stations to fucking police cars down
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03:37 < RangerZ> I'm actually kinda surprised that hit hasn't hit in such a long while
03:38 < RangerZ> but I'm guessing better firewalls/etc alone have stopped a lot of that
03:39 < RangerZ> but thats just a wild guess
03:39 < RangerZ> not my forte at all
03:39 <@Bahhumbug> A lot of tools do predictive analysis on traffic patterns and stop worms and similar better in the past.
03:40 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect rattle can go into details about this type of thing.
03:40 < aestetix_> Speaking of details, how's it going Corydon76?
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04:29 < aestetix_> man
04:29 < aestetix_> Is someone a "90s kid" if they were born in 1990?
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04:36 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2hw7h2/tifu_by_getting_my_lesbian_coworker_pregnant/
04:36 < aestetix_> this is hilarious
04:42 <@Dagmar> "I just want to point out that the "Hide child comments" button is absolutely perfect and hilarious in this particular thread."
04:46 < aestetix_> How fucking stupid can you be
04:46 < aestetix_> "I'm on birth control"
04:49 <@Dagmar> No idea whatsoever why he thought that would have been taken seriously
04:58 < aestetix_> I've spent the last 10-20 minutes laughing about this
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06:20 < aestetix_> penis
07:40 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:00 <@Tiredpig> heh  http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tumblr-staff
08:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Group :: Tumblr Staff (at steamcommunity.com)
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08:02 <@Wilpig> I also just realized it's october.  Pretty sure five finger deathpunch is this weekend
08:07 <@Dolemite> I have only 8 more days to prepare for Wood Badge.  yikes.
08:08 <@Bahhumbug> http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-108.html
08:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: XSA-108 - Xen Security Advisories (at xenbits.xen.org)
08:08 <@Bahhumbug> Public now.
08:08 <@Bahhumbug> Hypervisor read boundary issue.
08:08 <@Bahhumbug> I was close.
08:09 <@Bahhumbug> And inside rumor has it that AWS was pushing their own internal agenda with regards to all this.
08:51 <@Bahhumbug> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/14/09/30/1947232/grooveshark-found-guilty-of-massive-copyright-infringement
08:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Grooveshark Found Guilty of Massive Copyright Infringement - Slashdot (at entertainment.slashdot.org)
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09:07 <@Wilpig> internal tumblr communications... https://www.dropbox.com/s/qos87pmfi96urnq/Screen%20Shot%202014-10-01%20at%209.07.11%20AM.png?dl=0
09:12 <@Wilpig> did I miss windows 9?
09:12 <@Bahhumbug> Looks like you might have, yes.
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> Reapeatig this from earlier this morning so more people might see it:
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:04:22] <@Bahhumbug> If anyone wants a _really_ good mswin screenshot / screencast tool I just came across http://getsharex.com/ and it seems quite awesome so far.  I've been using winsnap since the 90s and this is the first tool that has made me want to switch.
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:04:23] <@GateKeeper> Title: ShareX - Take screenshots or screencasts, annotate, upload and share URL in clipboard (at getsharex.com)
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:04:50] <@Bahhumbug> The feature set is _very_ full, you can upload, literally, anywhere, has automated workflow tools, etc.
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:04:54] <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and it's free.
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:05:21] <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure you've all been using this for ever and been keeping it to yourselves.
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> [00:05:27] <@Bahhumbug> But I never heard of it until tonight.
09:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: ShareX - Take screenshots or screencasts, annotate, upload and share URL in clipboard (at getsharex.com)
09:13 <@Bahhumbug> I can't possibly rave enough about this tool.
09:14 <@Wilpig> nifty.  I've gotten spoiled by the snapshot shit built into osx
09:16 <@Bahhumbug> I've been using winsnap for decades and this tool blows that so far out of the water it's like comparing locomotives and potato chips.
09:18 <@CRasH180> What if there is a potato chip powered locomotive
09:18  * Wilpig points the corner
09:19 <@Wilpig> that was awful and you should feel ashamed of yourself
09:22 <@CRasH180> Ah well, I don't.
09:22 <@Bahhumbug> :)
09:25 <@Corydon76> There is a potato chip powered locomotive, you know.  It's called Wilbur's ass.
09:26 <@Corydon76> Feed him potato chips and he outputs a ton of methane.
09:28 <@CRasH180> If only we could harness the power of that methane to fuel our datacenters across the world
09:28 <@CRasH180> Well, that was wrong
09:31 <@Wilpig> But I don't eat that many chips
09:33 <@Corydon76> Which is also why your ass isn't (currently) classified as a munition.
09:48 <@Corydon76> Nice to see that Red Hat is finding all sorts of bugs in bash, now that their attention was called to it via ShellShock.
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09:58 <@Bahhumbug> Helps when you have one of the brightest people in security working for you as well.
09:59 <@Bahhumbug> Two, actually.  Mark Cox and Florian.
10:32 <@Mirage> heh..even the LFG guys are taking shots at Emma Watson's speech to the UN: http://www.lfgcomic.com/tda/strip/33/
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10:56 < rattle> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/01/a-double-agent-app-targets-hong-kong-s-protesters.html
10:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Double Agent App Targets Hong Kong’s Protesters - The Daily Beast (at www.thedailybeast.com)
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11:16 <@Dagmar>  hehe http://worstcats.tumblr.com/
11:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Worst Cat (at worstcats.tumblr.com)
11:20 <@Mirage> heh.. "That is a hippo" - someone who knows nothing about cats
11:22 <@Mirage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjdr-FwG71s
11:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Baby Pygmy Hippo - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:23 <@Mirage> Dagmar: cute alert.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36JUfE1oYk
11:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: KITTEN MEETS HEDGEHOG - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:24 <@Wilpig> Mirage: that's hilarious.
11:28 <@Mirage> Wilpig: watch this one at ~1:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H04TJgWcVvU
11:28 <@Dagmar> heh
11:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: FUNNY ANIMALS (MAY 2014) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:29 <@Wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H04TJgWcVvU#t=115
11:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: FUNNY ANIMALS (MAY 2014) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:37 < aestetix_> http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-108.html
11:39 < RangerZ> hell I didn't know XEN ran on arm systems...
11:42 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
11:42  * shapr hugs Shadow404
11:42 < aestetix_> oh boy
11:42 < aestetix_> http://betaboston.com/news/2014/09/30/online-identity-matters-facebook-ello-and-the-right-to-pseudonyms/
11:42 < aestetix_> I didn't realize it was going to get picked up by press
11:44 < RangerZ> kinda like they just used your talk as a jumping off point
11:44 < aestetix_> yep
11:45 < aestetix_> I think it's funny that they keep using the phrease "real names" when one of my thesis points was "there is no such thing as a real name"
11:46 < aestetix_> you know
11:46 < RangerZ> yeah, but thats not how anyone else sees it
11:46 < aestetix_> cats are kind of like hot chicks
11:46 < aestetix_> when they want something they become really cute and cuddly
11:47 <@shapr> heh
11:50 <@CRasH180> bbiab
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11:51 < RangerZ> if anyone picked up destiny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvosTJIohQ4
11:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: FRANCIS RAGE QUITS DESTINY!!! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:52 < cordless_> Nice aestetix_, media coverage
11:55 < RangerZ> too bad they didn't use your real name in the article
11:55 < RangerZ> .....hehehe.....
11:55 < aestetix_> aestetix is a real name
11:58 < RangerZ> the problem is... your viewpoints is too easily trolle
11:58 < RangerZ> trolled
11:58 < RangerZ> b/c it doesn't "make sense" at first glance to people
11:58 < RangerZ> b/c there isn't any difference between "real" and "legal" in most people's eyes
11:59 < aestetix_> RangerZ: I'm sorry, can you define "troll"? It's not part of my vocabulary
12:00 < RangerZ> sorry I can't, "define" is a trigger word for me, watch your privilege
12:02 < RangerZ> lol
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12:34 <@Wilpig> scanning hard drive serial numbers in sucks
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12:38 < aestetix> apparently my grandpa watched my harvard talk
12:39 < aestetix> I don't think I've ever heard the word "fuck" in his presence.
12:39 <@Wilpig> haha
12:40 <@Wilpig> was that what he had to say to you?
12:40 < aestetix> no
12:40 < aestetix> All I got from him was "attaboy"
12:41 <@Wilpig> blargh.  scanned in 40 of these so far
12:54 < RangerZ> Wilpig: i hope you have a barcode scanner
12:55 < RangerZ> b/c 'scan' in otherwise would suck worse if you meant 'type' in
12:59 <@Wilpig> yes I'm scanning htem
13:04 <@SuMo_D> awww lol awesome
13:09 < aestetix> SuMo_D: did you see my harvard talk
13:09 <@SuMo_D> no
13:09 <@SuMo_D> how'd it go?
13:09 <@SuMo_D> I was meaning to ask
13:09 < aestetix> https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/09/aestetix
13:10 < aestetix> the video is there
13:10 <@SuMo_D> cool :)
13:14 <@NotLarry> ok, when I put in the reqest to be killed last week I expected a quicker response.
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13:22 < aestetix> ok so
13:23 < aestetix> anyone recommend software to convert a mov into a free format?
13:23 <@brimstone> vlc
13:23 < aestetix> that's what I just found
13:23 < aestetix> ok
13:23 < aestetix> I'll use vlc
13:26 < aestetix> what can't vlc do
13:26 < aestetix> heh
13:27 < aestetix> I love that program
13:28 <@brimstone> my favorite part of vlc is the changelog item where they removed matroska support because they added it before the format had stabilized
13:44 <@Wilpig> creeping up behind people on the stairs is funny
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14:01 <@shapr> CREEPER
14:01 < RangerZ> shapr: don't beat yourself up like that
14:01 <@shapr> ha
14:03 <@opticron> BOOM
14:03 < RangerZ> opticron: how ya been?
14:07 <@opticron> good, but busy
14:07 <@opticron> doing some woodworking stuff lately
14:07 <@opticron> kitchen hutch type deal
14:08 <@opticron> red oak and granite countertop
14:09 <@opticron> also like 10 other projects that are on the back burner
14:09 <@opticron> what are you up to?
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14:22 <@Wilpig> http://www.destructoid.com/cucco-s-are-still-deadly-in-hyrule-warriors-281654.phtml
14:25 <@oddball> heh.... oops. https://imgur.com/EjhZLCm
14:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Something doesnt seem right here... - Imgur (at imgur.com)
14:43 < RangerZ> oddball: ohh come on, thats good symbolism, just one of those that you can't think too much about, b/c they want each of the points to interact with the other 2
14:43 < RangerZ> and so it makes sense why they did it that way
14:44 <@oddball> Yeah... I know... it's one of those "this is art, not practical" things.
14:44 < RangerZ> problem is... you need a 4th gear or inner gears to transfer the torgue
14:44 <@oddball> yup
14:44 < RangerZ> Actually a smaller inner gear would be best , and all 3 of those are labelled 'hard work'
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14:45 <@oddball> Or make it a planetary gear system, but I know actual mechanics that refer to planetary gears as "fucking magic."
14:46 <@opticron> planetary gears are neat
14:46 < RangerZ> have you seen the planetary gear based infinite ratio transmission ?
14:46 < RangerZ> really fucking cool
14:46 <@oddball> I have not.
14:46 < RangerZ> basically you need 2 motors
14:46 <@opticron> have you seen the magnetic planetary gear?
14:46 < RangerZ> 1 ultra high speed with no major torque requirements, and 1 with as much torque as you want
14:47 < RangerZ> which is the issue with current 'belt' based ones, where they slip under high torque
14:47 <@oddball> Also described as fucking magic: CVT systems.
14:47 < RangerZ> so this could be the solution for electric Tractors
14:47 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zE__J0YIU
14:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: The D-Drive Infinitely Variable Geared Transmission - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:47 < RangerZ> watch out for loud intro
14:48 <@oddball> Yeah... thanks for the warning... jerk. :p
14:48 <@opticron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyBTE5cjGDY
14:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Magnomatics - Magnetic Gear - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:48 < RangerZ> hey I did it as soon as i realized
14:49 <@shapr> mmm, I love magnetic gears
14:49 < RangerZ> fucking youtube player lags
14:49 <@shapr> so many advantages
14:49 <@opticron> not really planetary, but similar effect
14:49 < RangerZ> yeah, its close
14:49 <@shapr> halbach arrays are awesome
14:50 < RangerZ> umm wiki is down
14:51 < RangerZ> hmm
14:51 < RangerZ> wtf
14:51 < RangerZ> a bunch sites are working for me, and some aren't
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14:52 < RangerZ> ok weird
14:53 < RangerZ> shapr: I independently invented the halbach array in middle school... LOL
14:53 <@opticron> yeah...that D-drive is insane
14:53 < RangerZ> not 'quite' right
14:53 < RangerZ> but I had the idea sorta
14:54 < RangerZ> lol, I would still love to have the drawings from back then
14:54 <@shapr> RangerZ: awesome!
14:54 < RangerZ> << also self invented part of the chinese remainder therom around them too
14:54 <@shapr> I independently invented the siphon at age 7 or so, my father pointed out that the Egyptians already had it and I should try harder.
14:55 <@shapr> RangerZ: ooh, that's cool!
14:55 <@shapr> RangerZ: hey, heard of base prime?
14:55 <@shapr> I independently invented that one..
14:55 <@shapr> it's good for the chinese remainder theorem.
14:55 < RangerZ> yeah
14:55 < RangerZ> The Cube used it
14:55 < RangerZ> the movie by that name
14:56 < RangerZ> bad 'horror' film, but ehh
14:56 < RangerZ> RSA is based off of base prime
14:56 < RangerZ> lol
14:56 < RangerZ> 'sorta'
14:56 <@opticron> the D drive hurts my brain and looks like it'd be prone to failure at high torques, but I'm sure that could be fixed
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14:57 < RangerZ> shapr: i was really upset when my idea of a disc of magents "always" spinning turned out to be close to hallbach
14:57 < RangerZ> I wanted fucking perpetual energy damn it
14:57 < RangerZ> lol
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14:58 <@oddball> Well, as the guy points out, the torque it can handle is up to the size of the gears you use.
14:58 <@shapr> yeah, I came up with magnetic 'perpetual energy' when I was 12
14:58 < RangerZ> mainly b/c I was tired of my damn lego technic batteries dying....
14:58 <@shapr> heh
14:58 < RangerZ> but hey... we all have our reasons
14:58 <@shapr> oddball: sadly, all the magnetic gears papers are $25 each, and there's about 15 of them.
14:58 < RangerZ> shapr: papers?
14:58 <@shapr> oh yeah, lots of fun papers about magnetic gears
14:58 < RangerZ> academic papers?
14:58 <@shapr> yes!
14:58 <@oddball> Oh, I was talking about the D-drive
14:59 < RangerZ> just go to a univ. you can get most academic papers for free from being on their network
14:59 <@shapr> there are papers that establish torque from field strength and area
14:59 < RangerZ> *cough*aslongasyoudon'tgetalotofthemallatonce*cough*
14:59 <@shapr> I want to build a magnetic geared hub for my unicycle.
14:59 <@shapr> RangerZ: ouch
15:00 <@shapr> I used to chat with aaronsw on IRC :-(
15:00 < RangerZ> fucking thing was he was only downloading _public_ files
15:01 <@shapr> yup
15:01 <@shapr> *public domain* even
15:01 < RangerZ> which I would "understand" if it was privately copyrighted journals... but it wasn't
15:01 < RangerZ> part of me wants to do the same damn thing
15:01 <@shapr> right, the articles were out of copyright
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15:02 < RangerZ> actually the good thing about all that is that a lot of journals are being forced to go public, especially for math
15:02 <@shapr> I'm glad something is working.
15:02 < RangerZ> b/c profs refused to apply to conf./journals that were private
15:02 <@shapr> yup
15:02 <@shapr> I'd love to do research, but I refuse to deal with the ACM transfer of copyright bullshit.
15:02 < RangerZ> ACM/IEEE are still private
15:02 <@shapr> fuck that
15:03 < RangerZ> but out of all the orgs out there, they are the least evil... which isn't a great thing to say... but still
15:03 <@shapr> all my profs said "You have no other choice"
15:03 < RangerZ> shapr: just don't bother caring
15:03 <@shapr> so I choose to do all my research in corporate environments, or publishing it on a blog
15:03 <@shapr> then there are wonderful alternatives like arXiv
15:04 < RangerZ> copyright really isn't a big deal if you publish your code & info set
15:04 <@shapr> right
15:04 <@shapr> Years ago I decided I just won't read private/closed research papers.
15:04 < RangerZ> "sure have _those_ words about how I did my experiment, but i gave away the code to do it youself for free"
15:04 < RangerZ> thats a bad decision too
15:04 <@shapr> I disagree
15:04 < RangerZ> you're limiting yourself
15:04 <@shapr> I read *lots* of research papers.
15:05 < RangerZ> more than you are having an impact
15:05 <@shapr> and I talk to lots of people about research papers
15:05 <@opticron> shapr, why do you need the papers to build your own magnetic gears?
15:05 <@shapr> in the Haskell world I'm very much an information hub and reference
15:05 < RangerZ> shapr: I'm sorry
15:05  * RangerZ comforts shapr 
15:05 <@shapr> heh, it's pretty awesome
15:06 <@shapr> oh, I want to schedule my refactoring talk at the makerspace soon
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15:13 < aestetix> I might actually start writing papers
15:13 < aestetix> A few friends at Berkman Center told me they'd help me publish them
15:14 <@shapr> aestetix: but you'll transfer copyright to them, right?
15:19 < aestetix> copyright?
15:19 < aestetix> I think they release things as creative commons
15:23 <@Corydon76> But the person who owns the copyright has the ability to re-license the work under other terms
15:26 < aestetix> Honestly, as long as they keep it attributed to me I don't care
15:28 < aestetix> Provided the paper stays available to the public for free
15:32 < RangerZ> damn it google, get your spam filters in line... I'm tired of "I back home for a few months \n You still hoping to meet \n Send me a text when you are free (###)###-#### " being sent to my email randomly
15:33 < aestetix> Click it. Maybe you'll get lucky.
15:34 < RangerZ> nah, they are all out in LA or oakland
15:34 < RangerZ> and its not links, it just phone numbers
15:35 < RangerZ> part of me wonders if it is a reverse collect call scame
15:35 < RangerZ> scam*
15:35 < RangerZ> or something like that
15:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: http://www.lfgcomic.com/tda/strip/33/
15:48 < aestetix> https://www.facebook.com/chris.cox/posts/10101301777354543
15:49 <@Dagmar> "Our policy has never been to require everyone on Facebook to use their legal name."
15:49 <@Dagmar> Interesting how the policy sort of used those exact words, then
15:49 < aestetix> Good thing I have a screenshot of it.
15:57 <@opticron> lol, that's such bullshit
15:59 < RangerZ> i actually feel bad for facebook, b/c its obvious that they were getting pressure from governments to require legal names
15:59 < RangerZ> but they couldn't admit it
15:59 < RangerZ> lol
15:59 < RangerZ> and it wasn't any of the 'public' pressure either , it was the much more nefarious backroom type
15:59 < aestetix> That's some of it.
15:59 < aestetix> There's also economic pressure
16:00 < aestetix> I guarantee they use names to sell data
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16:03 < RangerZ> of course
16:03 < RangerZ> back in the 90s, Radio Shack had 1/4 the US census data
16:03 < RangerZ> via collecting it themselves, and buying up data from different places
16:04 < RangerZ> my one mang. back in the day was a District Mang. for radio shack during that time
16:06 < RangerZ> Hell... Giant Eagle (Large grocer based out of Pitt) decided to stop selling Lea & Perrins' worcestershire sauce b/c their algorithm after adopting customer loyalty cards detected that people who bought that product had a negative correlation with people who bought higher profit items
16:06 < RangerZ> my mom bitched a storm up over that one... and finally got them to restock it
16:09 < RangerZ> NPR had an interesting discussion about this yesterday actually
16:09 < RangerZ> about how we could start facing new discrimination practices (which we already are) of who gets coupons and who has to pay full price for products
16:10 < RangerZ> if an advertiser thinks you'll spend more money if you get a 20% off coupon, etc.
16:10 < RangerZ> and they think someone else will spend the same amount, if they get only a 10% off
16:12 < aestetix> penis
16:16 < aestetix> http://jilliancyork.com/2014/10/01/facebook-responds-to-the-real-name-problem/
16:20 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Someone's a little ethnically biased
16:20 < aestetix> well yeah
16:22 < RangerZ> hmm... i wonder if thats _the_ john c york_ i know
16:22 < RangerZ> probably not
16:23 < aestetix> you mean jillian c york?
16:23 < RangerZ> no John York, the husband of Denise DeBartlo
16:23 < RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_York
16:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: John York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:23 < aestetix> oh
16:25 < RangerZ> they are both from my home town...which wiki doesn't mention... but ehh
16:25 < aestetix> jillian is from ohio?
16:26 < RangerZ> All the DeBartlos are from Ohio
16:26 < RangerZ> ohh jillian York
16:27 < RangerZ> no
16:27 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: Kroger still hasn't figured out that I don't buy beef or pork products
16:28 < RangerZ> yeah they have
16:28 <@Corydon76> They keep sending me coupons for them
16:28 < RangerZ> they just have learned "The Target Lesson"
16:28 < RangerZ> don't show that you know whats going on
16:28 < RangerZ> b/c sending a coupon section filled with nothing but baby products to a pregnant mother... who hasn't told her father she lives with....
16:29 < RangerZ> causes... shall we say... "problems"
16:29 < RangerZ> so they purposely put in shit you don't care about, so that you don't think about it too much
16:32 <@Corydon76> Silk had a really interesting targeting system a couple years ago.  The instant you bought one of their competitors' items, they printed out a coupon for $1 off their product.  If you used that coupon, they'd print a coupon for $1 off a pair.  Each time, they'd increase the number of cartons you had to buy to get that $1 off
16:33 < RangerZ> I like the "lets exchange shopper ID cards" group that existed a few years ago
16:33 <@Corydon76> I'm pretty sure that stopped ever since they starting doing the gasoline rewards
16:34 < RangerZ> actually it was the christmas rewards that some grocery stores were doing
16:35 < RangerZ> each $ spent over the year, earned points towards coupons at thanksgiving/xmas
16:35 < RangerZ> then gas, was the final nail in the coffin
16:55 <@NotLarry> Need a place to "clean up" near 1099 Euclid Ave NE, Atlanta on Saturday
16:57 < RangerZ> Blue Öyster Cult ?
17:10 <@Dagmar> Wow.
17:10 <@Dagmar> I saw the /. article on Grooveshark... went to look
17:10 <@Dagmar> Yep.  It's rather like someone's drive full of pillaged mp3s
17:11 <@Dagmar> Mislabeled tracks, bad formatting, missing cover art.
17:11 <@Dagmar> Yuuuck
17:11 < RangerZ> always been that way
17:11 < RangerZ> b/c they allowed 'user submitted' mp3s
17:11 < RangerZ> or something like that
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17:17 < RangerZ> grooveshark was always a half-ass'd solution
17:17 < RangerZ> their 'stations' always put in crap that you didn't like
17:20 <@Dagmar> I'm like... "Would I pirate things from here?"
17:21 < RangerZ> grooveshark has _pirating_ potential?
17:21 < RangerZ> hell I didn't even know/care about that
17:21 <@Dagmar> "Let's see... 160k... 128kbps... 128kbps?!?  Thirteen tracks on the CD, but 27 listed for the album!   Nonononon
17:21 <@Dagmar> *clears cache*
17:21 < RangerZ> I just used it as a shoutcast replacement
17:21 < RangerZ> and even then I just went back to shoutcast
17:22 < RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/10/01/186228/obama-administration-argues-for-backdoors-in-personal-electronics
17:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Obama Administration Argues For Backdoors In Personal Electronics - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
17:22 < RangerZ> speaking of /.
17:22 <@Dagmar> I was hoping to use it to nab a few really old pieces that were eluding me
17:22 <@Dagmar> Found Meat Beat Manifesto's first album...
17:22 <@Dagmar> Two tracks out of three.  :/
17:26 <@eryc> i wonder how much insider trading went on yesterday before the ebola announcement
17:30 <@eryc> hm, doesn't look like much
17:31 <@Dagmar> It's _nasty_
17:34 < RangerZ> So I realized what I feel is wrong with the stock markets, they aren't _investments_ anymore, they are gambling parlors
17:35 <@Corydon76> Not completely true.  Short term is gambling.  Long term is investment
17:35 <@Dagmar> http://imgur.com/gallery/TuS3O heh
17:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Smartphone vs. Flip-phone saga continues - Imgur (at imgur.com)
17:35 < RangerZ> money extraction mechanisms for those who can manipulate the system
17:35 <@Corydon76> Only for the short term, yes
17:35 < RangerZ> yeah, and short term is the problem
17:36 <@Corydon76> Why is that a problem?
17:36 <@Corydon76> The only people who are losing their shirt on short term investments are those stupid enough to engage in short term investments
17:37 < RangerZ> honestly, I don't want to go into a full explanation, but I think the entire mechanism is broken, and would need to be overhauled, and realizing... that this is impossible... not really worth wasting time on discussing it much, but... basically build a trading system where the only people who would invest are those are looking to _invest_ not those who are looking to make a quick buck
17:37 <@Corydon76> Get in it over the long term, and you can mostly avoid those problems, as long as you check the fundamentals
17:38 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: in other words, you want a massively regulated system that seeks to determine intent.  That's Big Brother.  No thank you.
17:38 < RangerZ> who said anything about government?
17:39 < RangerZ> Nasdaq, etc are private companies
17:39 < RangerZ> (well, were... now it got bought out)
17:39 < RangerZ> like I said, more complicated than its worth explaining, so nevermind
17:40 <@Corydon76> Securities traders are all federally licensed already to get rid of the worst behaviors
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17:40 < RangerZ> anyways, hows the xen stuff ? anyone have headaches with that today?
17:40 < RangerZ> lol
17:40 <@Corydon76> Read up on Jay Gould's attempt to corner the Gold Market in 1869.
17:40 <@Dagmar> lol
17:40 < cordless_> aestetix: http://mobile.pcmag.com/?origref=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2F#!/article/542c709bec06910543000224-facebook-apologizes-to-drag-queens-over-real-name-rule
17:40 <@Dagmar> Comcast is _really_ wanting to replace my modem
17:41 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: you got the letter after the email?
17:41 <@Corydon76> I tossed it in recycling
17:41 <@Dagmar> I just got a phone call
17:41 < cordless_> Sorry for long url
17:41 <@Dagmar> I got the letter a few days ago
17:41 < RangerZ> cordless_ won't let us see it unless we on mobile :/
17:41 < RangerZ> fucking stupi
17:41 <@Dagmar> I already run an AP here, I do not need further signal interference
17:41 < RangerZ> stupid*
17:41 < cordless_> Sec
17:42 <@Corydon76> Oh, I'm sure I'm due for a phone call.  I have told them I wished not to receive marketing calls from them, though
17:42 < RangerZ> ohh , and its CSS is broken for some reason
17:42 < RangerZ> wow... no link to article, only to 'site'
17:42 < RangerZ> nvm... not 'broken' ... 'broken by design'
17:42 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: yeah, and I can already see the probability that if too many people turn off the Wifi, at some point in the future, they'll disable your ability to turn off the Wifi
17:42 < cordless_> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2689418/facebook-walks-back-real-name-policy-after-protests-ello-exodus.html
17:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Facebook walks back real name policy after protests, Ello exodus | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com)
17:43 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I thought we already discussed that you didn't have their cable modem, but your own
17:43 <@Corydon76> Their method of turning off Wifi was going on their website to turn it off, not disabling it in the device itself
17:44 <@Corydon76> Which means turning it back on is simply a matter of them deciding to ignore your wishes
17:44 < cordless_> Better RangerZ?
17:44 < RangerZ> yep
17:44 < RangerZ> plus a modem shouldn't have wifi
17:45 < RangerZ> thats the router's responsibility... and best to not use their router either
17:45 < RangerZ> unless you want external wifi too... which i'm betting Corydon76 has
17:45 <@Corydon76> I'm sure they'd say they experienced a "hiccup" which turned Wifi back on for all of their devices
17:46 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: what do you mean by "external wifi"
17:46 < RangerZ> just an access point, not part of the router
17:46 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: Yup.
17:46 <@Corydon76> Yep, that's what I have
17:47 <@Corydon76> Wifi here is simply an extension of the normal network.  DHCP requests go to the router / firewall
17:48 < RangerZ> but either way, I've already broken even on the modem purchase I made at walmart (of all places)
17:48 < RangerZ> oh wait.. nvm.. that was my router... modem was from amazon, but still
17:49 <@Corydon76> If they want to use my electricity to serve their Wifi out of my house, they can negotiate a fee schedule with me
17:50 < RangerZ> plus feraday cages aren't _that_ hard to build...
17:50 <@Corydon76> It's easier simply to open their box and disconnect the antenna
17:51 <@eryc> http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boston-herald-obama-intruder-racist
17:51 <@Corydon76> Or even better, cut the trace
17:53 <@Dagmar> eryc: lol
17:53 <@Dagmar> I believe the guy
17:53 <@Dagmar> I liek watermelon, too
17:54 < RangerZ> either way it doesn't matter really, b/c if it was 'watermelon' to be racist, it was that the _white_ guy was being racist
17:54 <@Dagmar> No, the guy just likes watermelon
17:55 < RangerZ> i'm saying even it was _meant_ to be racist,I don't care, b/c the joke was still relevant, b/c honestly... if anyone IS going to break into the WH and something, it is likely to be a racist
17:55 < RangerZ> but ehh
17:56 <@Corydon76> I'd say it's more likely to be someone who is simply mentally ill.
17:56 <@Dagmar> Really 'cuz it looks like a random looney just made it
17:57 <@Corydon76> Let's take the one property in DC which is better protected than Fort Knox and break into it.  Yeah, clear example of someone completely mad.
17:57 <@Dagmar> Well, it's just a fence
17:58 <@Dagmar> Not even a really tall one
17:58 < RangerZ> no barbed wire...
17:58 <@Dagmar> Also... they have fuckin' snipers
17:58 < RangerZ> no mote
17:58 < RangerZ> moat*
17:58 < RangerZ> no alligators
17:58 <@Dagmar> If the guy had come over weilding a chainsaw in one hand and an Ak in the other, they'd have just gunned him down
17:58 < RangerZ> I'm really depressed with the lack of creativity
17:58 <@Bahhumbug> The fact that _anyone_ can waltz into the Whitehouse is pretty ridiculous; whether it's a racist, a nutbag, or Mother Theresa isn't relevant.
17:59 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, shot him once.  ...or "sufficiently"
17:59 <@Bahhumbug> Someone should have put a round center mass.
17:59 < RangerZ> or double fucking fence
17:59 <@Bahhumbug> Mentally ill?  Tough.  Just looking for an autograph?  Tough.
17:59 < RangerZ> 10ft between
17:59 < RangerZ> give you time to get to people before they can make a clear run
18:00 < RangerZ> "but it might interfere with good pictures"
18:00 < RangerZ> fuck that
18:00 <@Bahhumbug> They have people on the roof with stingers to bring down inbound aircraft yet they can't stop one lone nutcase running across an _open field_?
18:01 < RangerZ> they chose not to
18:01 < RangerZ> to not have to argue why they used excessive force
18:01 <@Bahhumbug> Nice excuse.
18:01 < RangerZ> pretty much
18:01 < RangerZ> but sadly, its probably true
18:01 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, don't buy it.  This is a complete lapse in security protocols surrounding the single most important world leader on the planet.
18:01 < RangerZ> b/c if the person had agun, they would have been sniped
18:02 < RangerZ> or at least.... sniped AT
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> No one knew whether he was armed or not.
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> You don't guess.
18:02 < RangerZ> I agree
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> You shoot.  To kill.  And worry about the details after the fact.
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> [16:59:08] <@Bahhumbug> Mentally ill?  Tough.  Just looking for an autograph?  Tough.
18:02 < RangerZ> here Bahhumbug
18:02 < RangerZ> https://phreaknic.info/vendors
18:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vendors | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
18:02 < RangerZ> vent on that
18:03 < RangerZ> LOL
18:03 < RangerZ> but seriously... I wonder if it'll have any venders other than dink's company
18:03 <@Bahhumbug> You mean the gross conflict of interest that no one has the balls to stand up and call out in public?
18:04 < RangerZ> ehh, w/e  honestly, let it be corrupt
18:05 <@Bahhumbug> The whole thing's a clusterfuck.  I hope it implodes in everyones face and causes third-degree burns.
18:05 < RangerZ> the thing is, its not really hurting anything, b/c either way he would have been stupid enough to sponsor it, (b/c i really doubt he gets much good PR out of it) and PN gets the money
18:05 <@Bahhumbug> Esp whatever gutless fucktard is in this channel spying.
18:06 <@Bahhumbug> It's a gross conflict of interest.  Evertthing else is immaterial.
18:07 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh...  updates.
18:07 <@Bahhumbug> I'm really sick of playing patch monkey.
18:08 < RangerZ> thats aestetix's job, lol
18:08 < RangerZ> actually, all kidding aside, I'm glad I'm not having to deal with all this either
18:09 <@Bahhumbug> It's not Xen.  That was a simple patch and reboot.
18:10 < cordless_> Who's dink?
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> (And also seemingly a move on AWS' part to push some of their own internal agenda and using this as an excuse to do so.  I'm still waiting on some more details of that, however.  The holes _need_ to be addressed but the secrecy arround -108 was out of scope for the issues at hand.)
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> cordless_: The illustrious VP.
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sorry, but he's a fucking officer of the organization; his company should be _FAR_ away from this.
18:12 < cordless_> Everyone seems so negative about pn this year.. I was planning on attending, but idk now :/
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> Please, don't let my comments sway you either way.
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> If you want to go you'll probably enjoy yourself.
18:13 < cordless_> First time I've been back in nashville  for years.. spent 5 years in Japan :)
18:13 < RangerZ> what did you do there?
18:14 < cordless_> Is attendance projected to be pretty good?
18:14 < cordless_> Aircraft mechanic
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> No idea.
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> No one talks about it.
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> Because the idiots running the show can't be fucked to show up here and discuss anything.
18:14 < RangerZ> cordless_: other than the officers, I don't know of any local people who have confirmed to be going
18:14 < cordless_> Last one I was at was PN7
18:14 < RangerZ> if that says something
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> Other than coming in here and talking shit about "legal action".
18:15 < RangerZ> i _might_ show up for a day or something
18:15 <@Dickie> You'll hear from my lawyer
18:15 < RangerZ> honestly, its just been divisive this year
18:15 <@Dickie> He's loud
18:15 < RangerZ> none of us are lucky enough to get them to actually start legal issues
18:15 <@Bahhumbug> I begged.
18:16 < RangerZ> medical bills, house repairs... etc would all be paid for
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> Public ruination is more my thing.
18:16 < cordless_> Hmm. Well,  the only person who might recognize me if corydon, but maybe not even him.. guess I'll have to ignore the drama and enjoy the speakers?
18:16 < RangerZ> about that.... have you looked at the speakers?
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> Again, if you go you'll quite likely enjoy yourself.
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> Speakers or not.
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sure there will be people there that you knew from years past.
18:17 < RangerZ> I honestly don't know about the speakers... but yes... it'll probably be fun
18:19 < cordless_> No official  schedule yet? Speakers look alright
18:19 < RangerZ> there is a lot of insider baseball about things that shouldn't really effect the days of the con itself
18:20 < RangerZ> unless they offer a 1hr free ballpit coupon or ask for 17k$ to continue the con
18:20 < cordless_> The company is codex?
18:20 < RangerZ> yeah
18:21 < cordless_> Interested in ZhuangZi
18:21 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: you'd get nothing paid for, there'd have to be monye in the coffers for that
18:22 < cordless_> I just read an article about the 3d printing of mags and the new milling machine for AR15 lowers
18:22 <@Corydon76> cordless_: schedule has never been finalized until about a week before the con.
18:23 < RangerZ> cordless_: http://opensourceecology.org/
18:23 < RangerZ> a shipping container worth of tools that can help you rebuild society
18:23 < RangerZ> lol
18:23 < RangerZ> http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/
18:23 < RangerZ> there we go
18:25 < RangerZ> Corydon76: morgan phillips link is badly broken https://phreaknic.info/linux-poetry.com
18:27 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
18:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Steve Ballmer - Developers - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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18:29 < cordless_> Interesting
18:31 <@Corydon76> Link fixed.
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19:01 <@NotLarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zbsUtQL4nY
19:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sleeping Pig Wakes Up for a Cookie! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:03 <@Wilpig> I do enjoy cookies
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19:06 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnwytvfOrBY ok, fuck walmart
19:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Walmart To Tracy Morgan, Youre Partly To Blame For The Crash - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:07 <@Bahhumbug> They have a partial point.
19:08 < RangerZ> yeah, but just bad PR
19:09 < RangerZ> at some point, you just have to grumble into your hat and take the hit, when you're that big
19:09 < RangerZ> could even trun it into good PR, by just paying, then starting a pro-seatbelt campaign
19:10 < RangerZ> etc
19:13 <@Dagmar> I want to know what Fire Emblem has against feet
19:14 <@Dagmar> Ohh lazy coders
19:20 < cordless_> RangerZ: interesting link.. you involved?
19:24 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: WalMart never, ever, gives in without a fight.  The Walton clan are a bunch of greedy fucks.
19:29 <@Wilpig> lol.  of course this is happening when i've got other plans. http://www.newyorkcomiccon.com/
19:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: New York Comic Con - the biggest and most exciting popular culture convention on the East Coast! - New York Comic Con | October 9 – 12, 2014 | Javits Center (at www.newyorkcomiccon.com)
19:31 < RangerZ> cordless_: not really, I know a guy who helped build the prototype pressed earth brick compactor machine
19:31 < RangerZ> he works with me
19:37 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh9WmWjnF48 haha...
19:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hollywood is Making a Tetris Movie....WTF Hollywood? Just Stop - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:40 < RangerZ> his breakdown at the end is great
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20:01 <@opticron> RangerZ1, http://www.gizmag.com/d-drive-redux/15120/
20:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: D-Drive redux: about that holy grail thing... (at www.gizmag.com)
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20:14 < RangerZ1> opticron: yeah, I didn't think that it was the holy grail, but its still a really good step
20:15 < RangerZ1> hmm... if the 'control' motor has to have the same torque, then its a lot less useful
20:16 < RangerZ1> b/c high rpm (even if only at 5 speeds) would have been a lot easier to achieve than both being equal
20:19 < aestetix> ..... a tetris movie?
20:19 < aestetix> how is that even possible
20:20 <@opticron> nope nope nope nope
20:23 <@Dagmar> Hey at least no one has to worry about anyone getting butthurt because the race/gender of some character isn't canon enough
20:25 <@Bahhumbug> People worry about those that get butthurt?
20:25 <@opticron> woah now, those blocks are totally thon
20:25 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, that's right.  Too many do which is why all this shit is going down.
20:26 < aestetix> Dagmar: untrue. That long line block is phallic and will remind some people of a penis.
20:26 <@Dagmar> Those people can take a leap
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> By "some people" he means himself.
20:27 <@Wilpig> i'm sure there will be some sfw's that will jump on that bandwagon
20:27 <@opticron> we know, aestetix's mind is full of dicks
20:27 < aestetix> And you know when you land a long block into a long gap and get a perfect thing?
20:27 < aestetix> Yeah, that's sex
20:27 <@opticron> hawt
20:27 < aestetix> We need to protect our kids
20:28 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjftakdsf5j98o0/bag-of-dicks.jpg?dl=0
20:36 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMTddkT5Uk
20:37 <@Dickie> give them guns
20:37 <@Dickie> let them protect themselves
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20:41 < RangerZ1> could you imagine how good a riot shield that giant ipad would be
20:42 <@opticron> terrible is the answer you're looking for
20:43 < RangerZ1> what do you mean? it would bend with any hit, and wrap around you absorbing the impact
20:43 < RangerZ1> hehe
20:44 < cordless_> aestetix: did you see Facebook changed their position partially on the real names requirement?
20:45 < aestetix> cordless_: heh. Yeah.... that was full of fail.
20:45 < cordless_> Lol. I just thought it was a pitiful attempt to negate the bad PR
20:48 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMTddkT5Uk
20:48 < aestetix> oop
20:48 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/ncardozo/status/517409049789227008
20:48 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/ncardozo/status/517409303494291456
20:48 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/ncardozo/status/517409877656748032
20:48 < aestetix> that's my response to their statement
20:48 < aestetix> I should make a storify of that
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20:54 < aestetix> ok here
20:54 < aestetix> cordless_: https://storify.com/aestetix/response-to-facebook-s-name-policy
20:58 < cordless_> Hmm
20:58 < cordless_> aestetix: negotiations complete for pn?
20:59 < aestetix> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/dear-facebook-sorry-start-now-lets-see-solutions
21:08 < cordless_> aestetix: there aren't any f-bombs or bullshits in your response.. I'm disappointed..
21:09 < aestetix> haha
21:15 < RangerZ1> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137767-SecureDrives-SSD-Security-Text-for-Destruction yeah... b/c the court won't view that as destruction of evidence or anything...
21:16 < RangerZ1> "All data is permanently destroyed via fragmentation. "
21:17 < RangerZ1> um... I'd like to know more about this "fragmentation" of yours
21:19 <@Dickie> wuuuuut
21:20 < RangerZ1> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6877217/autothysis-solid-state-hard-drives-will-self-destruct-if-you-text-them this says the phsyical ram chips and the encryption chip are 'broken'
21:21 < RangerZ1> http://securedrives.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=816&product_id=645
21:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Autothysis128s (at securedrives.co.uk)
21:21 < RangerZ1> says its FIPS 104-2 lvl 3 cert. too
21:22 < RangerZ1> so this might not be smoke up the ass-product... just a ... why are treating physical drive like its mission impossible ...
21:30 < RangerZ1> you know... this year in republican politics is boring
21:31 < RangerZ1> no 'legitimate rape' or 'being a witch' , etc
21:42 < cordless_> Lo
21:43 < cordless_> RangerZ1 nothing interesting?
21:44 <@Dagmar>  No, he's just not paying attention
21:45 <@Dagmar> He doesn't realize that they've stopped changing their nonsense when it's debunked, becuase they don't need to.
21:45 <@Dagmar> They've got plenty of people who will believe this outrageous bullshit no matter what they say
21:47 <@Dagmar> You run surveys, see... surveys that find out two things
21:47 <@Dagmar> 1. How likely someone is to vote republican, and 2. one incredibly dumbassed thing they believe
21:48 <@Wilpig> sooo.... two questions.  1) are you republican  2) what's your religion?
21:48 <@Dagmar> Next you just take the group that's still on the fence, and if the majority of them believe that Obama is a one-horned one-eyed flying purple people eater, you go on record decrying the president for being a people-eater.
21:49 <@Dagmar> Your political enemies then do the work of convincing people to stay republican by engaging in a cover-up to hide the fact that Obama only has one horn.
21:49 <@Wilpig> I think that's racist but i'm not sure 
21:51 <@Dagmar> You haven't seen my 'Republicans For Rape' campaign flyers yet
21:51 <@Dickie> They're talking about his penis
21:51 <@Dickie> ...right?
21:51 <@Dickie> Because I have one of those, too
21:51 <@Dagmar> No, that Obama is secretly a _muslim_
21:51 <@Dickie> Hang on, uploading to imgur
21:52 <@Dickie> oh
21:52 <@Dickie> That's true
21:52 <@Dickie> Well, half true
21:52 <@Dickie> He's half atheist
21:52 <@Dagmar> So, you're voting Republican then, eh?
21:52 <@Dickie> I don't see how the federal government is any better at making decisions than the individual states
21:52 < RangerZ1> by one interpretation of islam, he is muslim, in that his father was a muslim, and therefore "the male child gains the religion of his father"
21:53 < RangerZ1> but...
21:53 < RangerZ1> thats too nuance for political ads
21:53 < RangerZ1> lol
21:53 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh...
21:53 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking inbred fucks.
21:53 < RangerZ1> Dickie: school integration
21:53 < RangerZ1> Q.E.D.
21:53 <@Dickie> It's easy to pick the "good calls"
21:53 < RangerZ1> yes, yes it is
21:53 <@Dagmar> I am _really_ looking forward to putting up those 'Republicans for Rape' flyers
21:54 <@Dagmar> Like, you've no idea
21:54 < aestetix> ..... wow
21:54 < RangerZ1> ohh I want to see this...
21:54 <@Dagmar> I'm not letting Corker and Alexander go through another election without someone calling them out on that unforgiveable party vote
21:55 <@Dickie> RangerZ1: war on drugs
21:55 <@Dagmar> Al Franken's amendment was quite simple and straightforward
21:55 <@Dagmar> They completely lied about it when asked why they voted against it
21:55 <@Dagmar> ...and _every single republican_ voted against it
21:55 < cordless_> Judging by all of the vote yes on 1 signs I've seen fucking everywhere...even large signs on pickup trucks.. most are voting republican in middle TN.
21:55 <@Dagmar> Well, it's time to make them feel bad about it
21:56 <@Dickie> But, don't get the impression that I care anymore
21:56 <@Dickie> It's all shit
21:56 <@Dagmar> I want people to be deeply conflicted about it
21:56 <@Dagmar> I want them to _suffer_
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...because then just maybe they won't go to the polls and vote for those two fuckers just because they recognize their names
21:57 < cordless_> I hope that's the case... but it's doubtful here :/
21:58 <@Dagmar> I am pretty sure there will be a shitstorm in the news
21:58 < cordless_> Make sure you post pdfs Dagmar.. I'll print them on campus and post up. Lol
21:59 < RangerZ1> ohh I agree, that the federal gov't can make stupid decisions, but you said 'any better' , but its obviously been better at certain points, now if you mean 'on average', then perhaps you're right, but.... setting federal fuel efficiency standards...  Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)  program... the Internet... the inter-state high way program... etc
21:59 <@Dagmar> Man I went to Macy's site by the way
21:59  * Dickie makes fart noises
21:59 <@Dagmar> Put 'baby' in the search box and all I found was clothing and accessories
22:00 <@Dickie> I'm wasn't good on debate team
22:00 <@Dagmar> They're such liars
22:00 < RangerZ1> they aren't selling babies?
22:00 < RangerZ1> damn them
22:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah and that ad said they were having a sale on them
22:00 <@Dagmar> You just had to buy two or more
22:00 <@Dickie> I don't know the good things your state does
22:00 <@Dagmar> I figured I'd buy three, get the 15% discount, and then flip them on eBay
22:01 <@Wilpig> that sounds like a solid plan
22:01 < RangerZ1> Dickie: we're from TN
22:01 < RangerZ1> nothing
22:01 < RangerZ1> lol
22:01 <@Wilpig> you know, NotLarry has been wanting one of those.  
22:01 <@Dickie> Well, you did the thing in schools with evolu...oh
22:04 < RangerZ1> ohh fuck....
22:04 <@Dickie> I think instead of forcing states to conform to progressive opinion, it would be fun to treat them like separate countries and refuse to do business with them and otherwise treat them like our international malcontents
22:04 < RangerZ1> the head of the Secret Service was _this morning_ the head of Comcast Corp. Security
22:05 < RangerZ1> Dickie: part of me feels the same... but the problem is the children
22:05 <@Dickie> I have a few of those
22:05 < RangerZ1> I can't be that cruel to children growing up in the south
22:05 <@Dagmar> I CAN!  PICK ME!
22:05 < RangerZ1> I can only after males are 18 and females are 21
22:06 < RangerZ1> same a club entrance ages
22:06 < RangerZ1> lol
22:06 <@Dickie> empathy has a cutoff
22:06 <@Dickie> naturally
22:07 < RangerZ1> Republican congressmen/women is the age of 1 day
22:07 < RangerZ1> they only have it before then
22:09 <@Dickie> I believe life starts at erection
22:14 < RangerZ1> god damn it... there are 25 lives being created in this room right now... :/
22:15 <@Dickie> hot
22:15 < RangerZ1> and 26 since Corydon76 read that...
22:15 < RangerZ1> lol
22:15 < RangerZ1> and 27 since aestetix read that....
22:16 <@Corydon76> RangerZ1: unfortunately, old age has claimed my ability to do that on command.
22:16 <@Bahhumbug> They make pills for that.
22:17 <@Corydon76> No, they actually don't.
22:17 <@Dickie> I'M UNCOMFORTABLE
22:17 < RangerZ1> they make Thai brothels for that
22:17 <@Dickie> ha
22:17 < aestetix> i'm a terrorist
22:17 <@Dickie> you wish
22:17 < RangerZ1> ./reportToDHS aestetix
22:17 <@Bahhumbug> This is IRC
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> They already know.
22:18 < aestetix> maybe I can give them some links to investigate
22:18 <@Corydon76> Bahhumbug: there's a difference between being not able to do that at all, and not getting aroused at the drop of a hat.
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> Especially since he's not on an encrypted connection.
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> Which I find quite amusing, all things considered.
22:20 < RangerZ1> he's just trolling his ISP too
22:20 < RangerZ1> could you imagine their data mining ops?
22:20 < RangerZ1> they must cry at night by what they find with him
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> No.  Because he's irrelevant and they don't care.
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing personal but no one in this channel is relevant in any TLO's eyes.
22:21 < RangerZ1> all of us are in the 'god damn it ignore them, b/c they would just fuck with us anyways' group
22:21 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: did you watch my talk
22:21 < aestetix> I can dedicate one of the f-bombs to you if you want
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> No.  I downloaded it and if/when I find time I may give it a watch.
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> But frankly, your fight doesn't interest me.
22:22 < aestetix> I think it will once you see the topics it addresses.
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> Not to disparage it, I wish you luck with your crusade, but it's not mine :)
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> No.  Because I've never once considered hiding behind a mask of anonymity.
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> So I find the whole thing quite boring.
22:22 < aestetix> Let's chat again after you watch the talk :)
22:23 <@Dickie> The pseudonym rights crusade again?
22:23 <@Dickie> Still on that?
22:23 <@Dickie> Just watch the talk, dude. You'll believe.
22:23 <@Dickie> You just have to have faith.
22:23 <@oddball> Was he ever not?
22:23 < aestetix> lol
22:24 <@Dickie> It's like the bible thing, right? Believe it before you read it so you'll believe it after you read it?
22:24 < aestetix> Actually yes.
22:24 < aestetix> It wasn't an issue until G+ happened
22:24 <@Dickie> For which there are no alternatives
22:25 < aestetix> penis
22:25 <@Dickie> Agreed.
22:58 < cordless_> aestetix: have you read anything lately about the p = np problem?
22:59 < aestetix> nope, shoudl I?
22:59 <@Dagmar> You can tell it's still not solved just by looking out the window
22:59 < RangerZ1> cordless_: yeah should we?
22:59 <@Dagmar> No flaming computers falling from the sky means it's still hard
22:59 < RangerZ1> b/c if you have any insights... I'd love to hear them
23:00 <@Dagmar> THere are millions of dollars waiting to fall into the hands of anyone who solves that
23:00 < RangerZ1> b/c you could get a PhD at any university worldwide with that proof written on toilet paper with crayon
23:00 <@Dagmar> ...even if more if they keep their mouth shut.
23:00 < RangerZ1> b/c it would break ALL asymmetric encryption algorithms
23:00 <@Dagmar> er even more
23:00 <@Dagmar> Modern crypographic security would come apart
23:00 < RangerZ1> all RSA and EC based ones at elast
23:01 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: ...which is basically everything in use.
23:01 <@Dagmar> heh
23:01 < RangerZ1> yeah
23:02 < RangerZ1> theoretically there is some algorithm that might work otherwise... but....
23:02 < RangerZ1> not really
23:02 < RangerZ1> actually... no...
23:02 <@Dagmar> heh
23:02 < RangerZ1> we'd have to find a new 'one way trap' problem
23:02 < RangerZ1> which would break P=NP
23:02 < RangerZ1> lol
23:02 <@Dagmar> Precisely
23:02 < cordless_> I was just interested in it and didn't know :P
23:03 <@Dagmar> People would freak _the fuck_ out
23:03 < RangerZ1> cordless_: trust us... worldwide economy would crash
23:03 < RangerZ1> banking... done
23:03 < RangerZ1> stocks... done
23:03 <@Dagmar> All PKI, now invalid.
23:04 < RangerZ1> sadly... only AES would still work
23:04 < RangerZ1> which ... is likely already broken by the NSA is my tin foil hat idea
23:05 < RangerZ1> twoFish with _physically_ shared keys... would be how the internet banking would have to work
23:05 < cordless_> Just got interested in some cryptology  and started doing some reading
23:05 < cordless_> Why wouldn't AES be affected?
23:05 < RangerZ1> its a symmetric key algorithm
23:05 < RangerZ1> not asymmetric
23:05 < RangerZ1> ;)
23:06 < RangerZ1> that ' ' makes a big diff, lol
23:07 < aestetix> rot13 would still work
23:07 < RangerZ1> also symmetric
23:07 < aestetix> yup
23:08 <@Dagmar> The USPS would be the USAs first national OTP delivery system
23:08 < aestetix> haha
23:08 < RangerZ1> actually.... EC ... MIGHT still work...
23:09 < RangerZ1> if the key is 2^2^2048 bits long
23:09 < aestetix> that hurts to think about
23:09 < RangerZ1> maybe 2^2048^2
23:09 < RangerZ1> if we're lucky
23:11 < RangerZ1> but... that would still be fairly insecure once we get 'true' _fuck with how quantum entanglement works_ computers
23:11 < RangerZ1> basically make the Polynomial (real world time) take too long to be feasible
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23:12 <@Wilpig> jesus christ.  fuckin' neteng is taking 10 - 20 minutes to change out uplinks
23:12 <@Wilpig> wtf
23:13 <@Wilpig> there are 16 of these here, then 8 in the next row, then I still have to move 96 ports of other shit
23:13 <@Wilpig> 6 hours my ass
23:13 < RangerZ1> just email him asking him that again
23:13 < RangerZ1> LOL
23:13 <@Bahhumbug> Neteng is obviously doing this to fuck with you.
23:13 < RangerZ1> and doing it well
23:14 < RangerZ1> You'd almost think he was sitting in this channel
23:14 <@Wilpig> if this particular person in neteng would have done what i asked on these switches initially we wouldn't be doing this now
23:14 < RangerZ1> or attending the nashville2600 meetings
23:17 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: speaking of
23:17 < RangerZ1> you going to 2600 meeting friday?
23:17 <@Bahhumbug> I would laugh if they got a TRO against you two for being a disruptive influence.
23:18 <@Wilpig> grounds
23:18 < RangerZ1> no, but Its sorta like wile e. coyote running off the cliff
23:19 < RangerZ1> you know whats going to happen
23:19 < RangerZ1> but your inner 4 year old, wants to watch anyways
23:19 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6t98ag6dl5e6kv/Screen%20Shot%202014-10-01%20at%2011.19.28%20PM.png?dl=0
23:20 < RangerZ1> thats kinda nice actually
23:21 < RangerZ1> lol
23:21 <@Bahhumbug> That's awesome.
23:21 <@Bahhumbug> Grumpy Cat For President
23:21 < cordless_> RangerZ1: is meeting still at JJs?
23:21 < RangerZ1> as far as I know
23:21 < RangerZ1> nothing has gone out on the email list, or the google group list
23:22 <@Wilpig> that really is kinda awesome.  if I could get into NY quicker I would have tried to snatch it
23:22 < cordless_> I've been before and that's where it was is why I ask... many years ago
23:22 <@Wilpig> cordless_: yes it is
23:23 < cordless_> With Corydon76 I think?
23:23 < cordless_> What time wilpig?
23:23 <@Wilpig> 6pm
23:23 <@Bahhumbug> The cabal probably secretly moved it and only told their sycophants where the new location is.
23:23 < RangerZ1> nah, thats the "off nashville2600 meetings" that happen at dink's company now
23:23 < RangerZ1> b/c ... yeah...
23:24 <@Bahhumbug> Bunch of gutless pussies.
23:24 <@Bahhumbug> Each and every one of them.
23:24 <@Wilpig> nashville2600 and 2600 are different things
23:25 < RangerZ1> as is se2600* which is what I think he meant
23:25 <@Wilpig> 2600 meetings are first friday of every month at 6pm. 
23:25 <@Wilpig> nashville2600 also meets at that same time in teh same location for convenience
23:26 <@Wilpig> the meetings coinciding were written into the bylaws since the two groups were supposed to always be the same
23:33 < aestetix> Man
23:33 < aestetix> There is this porno I keep thinking of
23:33 < aestetix> Because it has a girl screaming at some point "get your dick back in my ass!"
23:36 < aestetix> I probably should not have done a search for that phrase
23:39 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: http://flexget.com/wiki/Plugins/plex
23:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Plugins/plex – FlexGet (at flexget.com)
23:39 <@Bahhumbug> Not sure if I mentioned flexget here previously but it is very nice.  And this plugin seems very useful for anyone with a plex server up.
23:46 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: what's it do?  just a catalog?
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> flexget itself is an automation tool chain to facilitate download of media contents, be it from torrents, usenet, direct downloads, whatever.  It integrates into many torrent and similar clients, or can act asm say, as rss processor which then drops the rss feeds into your client's rss queue based on your specific requirements.
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> There are a metric shitton of plugins to down pretty much everything, pre and post download, such as moving files around, etc.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> This specific plugin interfaces with plex to create media / catalog entries for shows.
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