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00:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> stop it SuMo_D, you're ruining my image as you being the pure and innocent hacker girl
00:01 <@SuMo_D> o_O
00:04 < aestetix_> oh wow that argument is picking up steam now
00:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: lol
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00:13 <@eryc> y'all some basic bitches
00:14  * SuMo_D hands eryc a pumpkin spice latte and some yoga pants
00:14  * eryc takes a selfie with SuMo_D 
00:15 <@SuMo_D> EEEE! ZOMG lets share it!
00:16  * eryc tags dat ass
00:17 <@eryc> my ass has its own fb page
00:17 <@SuMo_D> wow so clever
00:17 <@oddball> And it updates more often than the rest of you?
00:17 <@SuMo_D> its like how much code is the best
00:18 <@eryc> how much
00:19 <@SuMo_D> like the bestest cause its like code!
00:19 <@SuMo_D> eryc did you see the rant I posted earlier?
00:20 <@SuMo_D> I'm still kind trying to get over it... but not really
00:20 <@eryc> no i missed it
00:20 <@eryc> in here?
00:21 <@SuMo_D> yeah
00:21 <@SuMo_D> Quote of the night.... from one of the directors of the STEM support centers for teachers for the entire state... H: I'm really into code M: Oh that's cool! what kind. H: Code.... M: any particular languages? or programs? H: Oh ummm... no just code. I'm doing a workshop at the teacher summit next week. I did all the exercises on code.org --- Ummmmmmm.... yeeeeeeeah......
00:22 <@SuMo_D> cause ya know... code is the bestest
00:23 <@eryc> nice
00:23 <@eryc> so she learned scratch?
00:23 <@eryc> the basic level on code.org appears to be scratch
00:23 <@SuMo_D> she was really into hopscotch
00:24 <@SuMo_D> and thought Java was dead
00:24 <@SuMo_D> she didn't really like scratch... I looked up hopscotch its basically scratch for ipads
00:25 <@eryc> yea hadn't heard of it til now
00:25 <@eryc> i guess logic games are considered code now
00:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> ipads are "consumption" devices, not "production" devices, lol
00:26 <@SuMo_D> scratch is great... we use it with the little ones (like 5 year olds)
00:26 <@Dickie> I wrote an IRC bot in Bejeweled
00:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: you should look into logo
00:26 <@eryc> my happiest childhoold memories were with logo
00:26 <@SuMo_D> it can go over some great beginning concepts and then we move pretty quickly to python
00:26 <@SuMo_D> awww I remember logo
00:26 <@SuMo_D> PU Turtle!
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
00:27 <@SuMo_D> I loved logo so much
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> I still think thats a better start for kids than "real" programming languages
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they can make pictures and print them off
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
00:27 <@SuMo_D> well you can do that with Scratch too
00:27 <@SuMo_D> they can make their own sprites
00:27 <@SuMo_D> they love that shit
00:28 <@SuMo_D> you can use scratch to do some physical computing too which is awesome
00:28 <@SuMo_D> and a good intro to getting them into arduino stuff...
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> Logo for Legos
00:28 <@SuMo_D> and now there's ardublock which I still have to play with
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can program the robot and have it drive around,etc
00:29 <@SuMo_D> cool, is that the first robotics thing? We've borrowed those but I've not been around when they're using them
00:29 <@eryc> oh
00:29 <@eryc> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204054496859151&set=vb.1126124369&type=2&theater
00:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
00:31 <@SuMo_D> yum
00:31 <@eryc> yea logo is outdated now
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> logo is older than Bahhumbug
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> of course it is
00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.logointerpreter.com/
00:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: logointerpreter.com - Surf your logo code! / Home (at www.logointerpreter.com)
00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> hmm
00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> interesting
00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> a web HTML5 logo
00:39 < aestetix_> man the new south park is brilliatn
00:42 <@Dagmar> i'm just wondering why they're not old enough to buy beer now
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> could you imagine how much time and effort it would take to draw new characters?
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> its saved them years of work to never have to have changed the characters
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:45 <@eryc> uh huh
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus ....
00:46 < aestetix_> Because it took them so long to create them in the beginning
00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> Simpsons... maggie should be a mom... hell even maybe a freshly new grandmother
00:47 < aestetix_> There should be an episode where Homer catches Bart masturbating
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> bart isn't a character anymore
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> they found out they could sell more Homer merchandise
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> so thats why they do entire Homer seasons now
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> and honestly, it might have changed in the past few years... but I haven't watched the simpsons in eyars
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> years*
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?sid=rwby&v=more
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> new rwby out
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently it comes out on each thursday
01:08 <@eryc> https://www.facebook.com/YesThatKevinSmith/photos/a.77596326929.88348.6985046929/10152291167156930/?type=1&theater
01:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Photo (at www.facebook.com)
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
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01:16 <@eryc> titties and baws
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01:21 <@Dagmar> Damn
01:22 <@Dagmar> Dowels and fishing line isn't going to be rigid enough
01:22 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to go get that plastic posterboard stuff tomorrow
01:23 < aestetix_> another instance of someone I haven't seen in a few years
01:23 < aestetix_> she used to be hot, she got fat
01:25 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: The little robot girl's pretty funny
01:27 <@Dagmar> ...and I wonder if I was supposed to notice she was at the dance although there was _no reason_ for her to be there
01:27 <@Dagmar> (still on S02E07)
01:28 <@Dagmar> Maybe Ruby invited her and I don't rmemeber
01:32 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Daft Punk?  DJing the dance?  Seriously?
01:32 <@Dagmar> Can't believe they did thta
01:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> hey... if WE had someone DJing OUR dance... it'd be them too
01:41 <@Dagmar> wat
01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> rwby, if we were going to throw a dance like that.... (and could get them....) we'd have daft punk DJ it
01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:43 <@Dagmar> Ah
01:43 <@Dagmar> The short video format is starting to piss me off
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> also penny doing ....the robot...  that was amusing
01:45 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah
01:46 <@Dagmar> I thought it was funny when she just stood up and started dancing a completely inappropriate style
01:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> so hows your new cat?
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> still upset when you take them back upstairs?
01:52 <@Dagmar> She's getting bossier
01:52 <@Dagmar> Yesterday she got more and more cross with me because I wasn't figuring out what she wanted, while i was sitting on the sidewalk
01:52 <@Dagmar> She wanted me to pick her up
01:53 <@Dagmar> ...and yes, attempting to pick up a cat who hisses at you is definitely counter-intuitive
01:54 <@Dagmar> I have never seen a cat this strong willied before
01:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats saying something....
01:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:55 < aestetix_> ugh
01:55 <@Dagmar> I wound up putting her in my lap and she seemed happy about that, and then she looked at me like "Okay... next..."
01:55 < aestetix_> one system running an ubuntu too old to autopatch bash
01:55 < aestetix_> gotta compile from source :/
01:56 <@Dagmar> She put her paws on my chest and _glared_ at me
01:56 <@Dagmar> I gotta talk to her owners soon
01:57 <@Dagmar> That cat ain't right
01:59 <@Dagmar> "Pet me" and "tickle me" I'm used to
01:59 <@Dagmar> Normal cat stuff.
01:59 <@Dagmar> They're usually pretty passive
02:00 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
02:00 <@Dagmar> So a dude got murdered at Edgehill last week, right?
02:00 <@Dagmar> I saw on the news they were doing a candlelight vigil for him
02:00 <@Dagmar> I thought, "What?  It's not like he's _lost_.  He's _dead_.  Waiting won't bring him back."
02:01 <@Dagmar> Tonight's headline: "Candlelight Vigil Turns Chaotic"
02:01 <@Dagmar> Oh god I hope it's a zombie
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> stop that
02:01 <@Dagmar> Oh bummer
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> last time we had a single zombie.... some religions were founded
02:01 <@Dagmar> As it ended some idiot yelled "gun" and people stampeded
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> on edgehill?
02:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> why not just say "air"
02:02 <@Dagmar> hehe
02:02 <@Dagmar> Edgehill & 12th no less
02:02 <@Dagmar> So very projects
02:03 <@Dagmar> A friend of mine lived on the edge of that area some years ago
02:03 <@Dagmar> We were screwing around playing video games at his little place, and there was a blackout
02:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> 16th is the _closest_ i'd get to living near that
02:03 <@Dagmar> Us being like, the only white people anywhere
02:03 <@Dagmar> We heard cheering and then gunshots
02:04 <@Dagmar> In total darkness we grabbed our shit and were out the door and in car like 4.3 seconds later
02:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> haha
02:05 <@Dagmar> People had tried to break in there twice in the last three months... when people were home
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> ............
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... no....
02:06 <@Dagmar> It was funny tho
02:06 <@Dagmar> I mean we moved _fast_
02:06 <@Dagmar> Those might as well have been starter pistols
02:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> "ohh good, the gang's all here... we can die together."
02:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... the short format is kinda a pain... but the writing is so good... that its ok
02:07 <@Dagmar> Like, 15 seconds later we're on the road chuckling about how quick we bolted
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02:09 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: found another pic of your gf: http://imgur.com/sAqj97W
02:10 <@Dagmar> I'm having deep misgivings about this code
02:10 <@Dagmar> Like, it works, but...
02:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> what code?
02:11 <@Dagmar> ...to spawn a _temporary_ instance of *bind* with config files I just print here'd into existance seems really, really heavyweight.  heh
02:11 < aestetix_> http://spizzyblog.com/2012/07/23/girl-collects-condoms-from-previous-partners-hangs-them-on-wall/
02:11 <@Dagmar> Nope.  Not clicking that.  That's just nasty.
02:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> same
02:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats almost as bad as your 'cum box' link
02:12 <@Dagmar> I kinda want to say "If you use this other option, you must supply your own name resolution" but that's not likely to turn out well either
02:13 <@Dagmar> It's a shame dnsmasq doesn't support any kind of acl
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02:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> it doesn't? i thought it did... hmm...
02:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> it has lua scripting
02:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> could that enable it?
02:14 < aestetix_> It's actually an interesting art project
02:15 <@Dagmar> Not that I'm aware of
02:16 <@Dagmar> Anyway, it would also be useful of hostapd would accept wildcards for the acl but no use crying over that either
02:16 <@Dagmar> At least I can reduce the impact of a not-so-public 'attwifi' SSID showing up by restricting dhcpd to only give leases to Nintendo devices
02:17 <@Dagmar> ...and it opens the door to actually just putting non-Nintendo stuff into a captive net
02:17 <@Dagmar> I will not feature-creep myself to death
02:18 <@Dagmar> I dunno about that lua thing.  Lua doesn't appear in the man page even once
02:18 <@Dagmar> I was just looking because I can sort of work with lua
02:18 <@Dagmar> LESS HASSLE THAN MODDING HOSTAP FOR WILDCARDS for certain
02:19 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So... something I noticed at Bongo today...
02:20 <@Dagmar> Apparently understanding the concept of "move your shit onto an unused channel" is some kind of complex black voodoo
02:20 <@Dagmar> There's like 25-30 SSIDs in range of Bongo
02:20 <@Dagmar> EVery... fucking... one of them... on channels 1, 6, or 11.
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just looked on the wiki, its listed there, so i dunno
02:24 <@Dagmar> Heh.  Someone has their printer open here.
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:28 <@Dagmar> Decision time.
02:28 <@Dagmar> Am I the kind of person who will write up something about why people should move their APs to different channels and stick it on the board at Bongo.
02:29 <@Dagmar> Cuz seriously.  That many devices trying to stomp all over each other is just wrong
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02:30 <@Dagmar> Even a really shitty algorithm that simply counted the number of devices it sees and auto-selects the least used would be better
02:30 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ did you see this? http://makerfaireatl.com/
02:30 <@SuMo_D> whoops not that
02:30 <@SuMo_D> http://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/grindr-warns-egyptian-users-as-six-accused-of-homosexuality?utm_term=ybhdfy#3j862uh
02:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Grindr Warns Egyptian Users As Six Accused Of Homosexuality Are Convicted Over Facebook Post (at www.buzzfeed.com)
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, honestly... i'm surprised that the APs don't have that as an "auto setup" feature
02:30 <@Dagmar> I'm just astonished that many people clearly saw a throughput problem with 6, and then went to 1 or 11 without questioning what they read on the googles
02:31 <@Dagmar> I could swear older Linksys units would channel hop
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://poser.smithmicro.com/
02:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Poser 3D Animation & Character Creation Software - Official Website (at poser.smithmicro.com)
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> hey look... I found what RWBY uses to do the animation
02:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> I wonder how I could tell that....
02:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> (click link)
02:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:32 <@Dagmar> I would have guessed Poser because it's what all the asians use
02:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> I would have used blender... but thats just me
02:33 < aestetix_> hahah someone just tried to shellshock me
02:33 <@Dagmar> I say this based on the number of clearly polished up Sims they upload
02:33 <@Dagmar> ...and like tons of Skyrim stuff as well
02:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Huh?
02:33 < aestetix_> I see attempts in my server logs
02:33 <@Dagmar> Diddling your webserver?
02:34 < aestetix_> yep
02:34 < aestetix_> I'm amused
02:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: so question for you... have you seen a lot of "full stack dev" jobs posted out there?
02:35 <@Dagmar> I'd watch and wait for Baidu to start doing it
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02:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c... I swear... that should NOT be a job title.... but my newbie friend out there says it is
02:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:35 <@Dagmar> Translation: "We will not hire anyone else to help you."
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02:36 < aestetix_> I haven't been looking, honestly
02:36 < aestetix_> but the word "rockstar" shows up in a lot of ads
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was like... sure... knowing that apache doesn't contain FAIRIES is useful, but if you are writing php/js/sql... part of me hopes that you don't have to do fucking IT/ops work
02:37 <@Dagmar> *giggle*
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> i saw the job posting for 1/4million
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> and i was like....
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... not worth it
02:37 < aestetix_> rockstar = code for everything is broken, and you have to fix all of it
02:37 <@Dagmar> aestetix_++
02:37 <@Dagmar> My thoughts exactly.
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
02:38 < aestetix_> My preferred job role is "watch nagios until something turns red, then fix it"
02:38 <@Dagmar> It never fails to amaze me how often HR people don't realize we actually _do_ see through what they request
02:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> i told a grad student today... "yeah... I setup and used a nagios server... like ...8 years... ago..."
02:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> their eyes kinda bulged
02:38 <@Dagmar> lol
02:39 < aestetix_> to be fair everyone uses new relic now
02:39 <@Dagmar> It doesn't really matter what they use so long as they're using _something_
02:39 <@Dagmar> ...and actually customizing their checks.
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> nagios was great for me, but honestly it was shitty to setup, b/c the sql plugin wasn't finished
02:39 <@Dagmar> Sooo many useless tests out there
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> and it made it REALLY hard
02:39 < aestetix_> I prefer to have multiple monitoring tools going as checks in case one of them breaks
02:40 <@Dagmar> Vandy had several different checks running for SSL services alone until I got ahold of them
02:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> so every night at midnight when I went into work... I had the DB print out a new nagios config of the most up to date info in the DB, and just started it with that info
02:40 <@Dagmar> I should have pushed the result back upstream
02:41 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: does it diff it against the previous night?
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just threw away old info
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> i didn't care
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I was the only person who used the damn server... (stupid script kiddie "boss" didn't like it)
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> said it was going to use up too much bandwidth
02:41 <@Dagmar> *jawdrop*
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> mind you I was just _pinging_ 500 hotels once every 15min
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> _staggered_ of course
02:42 <@Dagmar> lol
02:42 <@Dagmar> He would have been terrified of ITS's Nagios then
02:42 < aestetix_> just tell him to budget for wider tubes
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c.... he wrote a PHP script to do the same thing
02:42 <@Dagmar> We _had_ to jack up the buffer size in the kernel
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> and it did them all within 4 seconds
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> oh look.... reverse DDOS replies
02:42 <@Dagmar> Turns out the default buffer sizes fucking fail miserably and repeatedly when you're on gigabit
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> we called it the 'dan script'
02:43 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: ...and for the record, no, we said not one word to Hogan because it involved numbers larger than 3.
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then someone realized it wasn't part of the employee auth system
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> so someone posted it to the main 2600 channel
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> and told them what it was
02:44 <@Dagmar> that was mean
02:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> we didn't have internet for the next 3 days
02:44 <@Dagmar> lol
02:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c people put it on 5 min cron jobs on remote shells
02:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> so the company wanted to hire CCNPs, to get a discount on cisco equipment
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> YSU was the _regional_ cisco academy
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> I told them... You pay me to take the class, and I will
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I was already enrolled
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope...
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c it was 4 classes
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> 2 for ccna and 2 for ccnp
02:46 <@Dagmar> Simultaneously?
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
02:46 <@Dagmar> *whew*
02:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell, you take up to the "you have to go to san fran and setup a tracker trailer worth of equipment"-test at ysu... but almost no one does
02:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> we get 1~2 CCNPs per year out of there
02:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> let alone higher
02:48 <@Dagmar> That's because they're asking you to win against the entire Octagon House
02:48 <@Dagmar> Granted, if you can do it, yes you are a genuine Cisco ninja, but...
02:49 <@Dagmar> ...that's more realistic to expect of someone with actual experience.
02:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah ... pretty much...
02:50 <@Dagmar> Success should also probably be met with a _substantial_ raise because otherwise, someone's going to hire that person awya
02:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
02:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> "i'm sorry, you're too well qualified for this job, so we don't trust that you'll stay very long"
02:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah but if you just steamrolled your way to a CCNP, there are places that will hire you
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell CCNA is good enough for a _job_
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> and thats possible with just an associates in IT
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02:54 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow should be hilarious
02:55 <@Dagmar> Gonna see Erin--assuming Asurion doesn't have him running all over--and Ham
02:55 <@Dagmar> This shellshock thing is hilarious
02:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQcHHOo7zYA LOL
02:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Emma Watson NUDE CONSPIRACY?! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:55 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: You're just finding out it was a shitty PR stunt?
02:56 <@Dagmar> I've still got some tool yelling at me on facebook because I pooh-poohd the "threat"
02:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:57 <@Dagmar> I sort of did point out that there were people promising literally _thousands_ of different celebs stuff
02:57 <@Dagmar> Do we have them?
02:57 <@Dagmar> NO/
02:57 <@Dagmar> No, we do not.
02:57 <@Dagmar> We got like, 20.
02:57 <@Dagmar> The Emma Watson "threat" turned out to be _entirely_ bogus
02:58 <@Dagmar> Like, not only were there no n00dz, the "threat" didn't even come from what one might think of as "a person"
02:58 <@Dagmar> Let's see if these idiots have managed to catch up that far
02:59 <@Dagmar> Ah... they have.  Good.
03:01 <@Bahhumbug> [00:55:36] <aestetix_> one system running an ubuntu too old to autopatch bash
03:01 <@Bahhumbug> You're doing it wrong.
03:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> I want them to release all the male actor pics, that way we can see them crying about it
03:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:01 <@Dagmar> Only if they have small penises
03:03 <@Dagmar> I'm going out on a rather thick limb here and guessing Bieber's pics aren't "leaked" so much as "quietly released on purpose"
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> no....
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> not that pillar of society
03:03 <@Dagmar> lol
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> pillager* sorry
03:04 <@Dagmar> Also, I'm pretty sure that judging by his lyrics, he doesn't have any balls.
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> jesus... InternetAristocrat did a 3hr stream and posted it on youtube
03:06 <@Dagmar> God
03:06 <@Dagmar> I'm not watching that tonight
03:06 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
03:06 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Gonzales-Met-With-Protest-During-Visit-To-MTSU-Campus-277168421.html
03:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gonzales Met With Protest During Visit To MTSU Campus - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
03:06 <@Dagmar> looool
03:06 <@Dagmar> Points for keeping his cool
03:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> gonzales is a fucking DEAN OF A LAW SCHOOL ?
03:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> i quit
03:07 <@Dagmar> Yes
03:07 <@Dagmar> lol
03:07 <@Dagmar> ...but the _water_... LOL
03:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> personally... I would have had chaney and him all declared enemy combatants
03:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats the biggest flaw obama has done
03:09 <@Dagmar> I dunno man
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> well other than be black
03:10 <@Dagmar> There's no telling what the Republicans would o
03:10 <@Dagmar> do
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> what do you mean? he doesn't have to ADMIT to it?
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> he can do it in secret
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:10 <@Dagmar> "Nefarious" doesn't even begin to cover that
03:11 <@Dagmar> That would be like using a handkerchief to hide an elephant
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> hey... i would want the changed
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> but... igf its still "legal"
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> its*
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> if**
03:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> oh god...if I was president... I'd be TRYING to only have a single term
03:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> to the point where people would love me and re-elect me ... out of spite for the other politicians
03:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> take the press core and seal team 6 with me to area 51
03:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
03:13 <@Dagmar> Well, if Bush was any indication, you could probably just hop a flight out of the country and it would be awhile before anyone would be sure you weren't coming back
03:14 <@Dagmar> That man went to _insane_ degrees to avoid having to answer any questions
03:14 <@Dagmar> No more press conferences because they were remodeling the place where they held them/
03:14 <@Dagmar> Seriously?
03:15 <@Dagmar> With a projected time frame long enough to _tear the fucking thing down_ and _rebuild it_.
03:15 <@Dagmar> ...and no one questioned it.
03:15 <@Dagmar> Even crappy contractors should have been able to do that in two months
03:17 <@Dagmar> Also... not really liking the thought of Congress being without adult supervision for that long.
03:19 <@Dagmar> Aw hell
03:20 <@Dagmar> This is a mistake.
03:20 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/weather/live-camera/Murfreesboro-SkyNet-Camera-244733131.html
03:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Murfreesboro SkyNet Camera from STORM5 HD Weather (at www.jrn.com)
03:21 <@Dagmar> It's a mistake because it's pointed at the ground
03:21 <@Dagmar> ...where people can sneakily put up signs in the middle of the night.
03:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> print out a still from TWISTER, and put it infront of the camera......
03:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehee
03:23 <@Dagmar> I'm juat thinking that it's only a matter of time before a large penis winds up on display
03:24 <@Dagmar> Or, more likely, a UFO sighting
03:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> NASA already had that covered
03:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> 8billion dollars, and 10 years... to draw a giant penis on mars
03:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
03:24 <@Dagmar> heh
03:25 <@Dagmar> See this is why our insurance rates are so much higher than India's
03:25 <@Dagmar> They've slammed two probes into the surface, and the one they didn't smash they're using for petty vandaism
03:25 <@Dagmar> er vandalism
03:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9cuFUmB3Do god.. I'd forgotten how dark batman TAS was sometimes
03:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Batman The Animated Series Saddest Moments - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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04:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ravishly/akibas-trip-undead-and-un_b_5572819.html
04:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Akiba's Trip: Undead and Undressed May Be One of the Most Despicable Video Games of All Time | Ravishly (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
04:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> part of me wants to make the game that pisses off the most amount of people , lol
04:54 <@Dagmar> looool
04:55 <@Dagmar> Props to a reviewer for having never seen any Japanese game ever
04:55 <@Dagmar> Hopefully they'll transition to vlogging before they find out about some of the other ones
04:56 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see someone's head explode on Youtube
04:57 <@Dagmar> I remember one someone brought to Phreaknic that looked like a rather straight-forward Street Fighter clone, but to actually _win_ the fight you had to finish the opponent off and take a humiliating panty shot of them
04:57 <@Dagmar> ...which made it _hilarious_ because it was all anime
04:58 <@Dagmar> ...but there are some others I'm *sure* would make that person's head explode.
05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suc8claJjUA
05:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Monster Monpiece gameplay mini game 2 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> a card game....where you 'power up' the cards by ....
05:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> that would at least make them have a mild stroke
05:15 <@Dagmar> Oh my gawd
05:16 <@Dagmar> I will never touch a japanese vita with my bare hands
05:20 <@Dagmar> It's as bad as it looks
05:20 <@Dagmar> Skip to about 10:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmIRp7nHu3k
05:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Monster Monpiece |PSVITA| - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
05:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
05:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> told ya
05:23 <@Dagmar> I rather prefer the utterly sanitized Fire Emblem approach
05:24 <@Dagmar> A ring is offered, and children start popping up out of thin air, almost entirely grown
05:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't taunt Dickie like that
05:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
05:24 <@Dagmar> I may have broken the storyline
05:25 <@Dagmar> They up and murdered Mr. Awsome Warrior King
05:25 <@Dagmar> Chrom and Sully straight up jacked him with double-crits
05:25 <@Dagmar> ...and then he's inside the castle like nothing happened.
05:25 <@Dagmar> lol
05:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah...
05:26 <@Dagmar> I was all worried about that fight, too
05:26 <@Dagmar> I actually had to go back a save in shame after attacking hte wrong visiting team
05:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> i always thought about making the last boss fight in an rpg = 1 hp, just to let everyone down
05:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> but the guards would be like the weapons from FF 7
05:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> and have dozens of them
05:27 <@Dagmar> I think they already did that with X2
05:28 <@Dagmar> Freaking 20 minute fights where all you do is shift tactics
05:29 <@Dagmar> Turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, ALL DPS NOW, turtle, turtle, turtle...
05:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats no fun
05:29 <@Dagmar> No, it wasn't.
05:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodacious_Space_Pirates
05:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bodacious Space Pirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
05:30 <@Dagmar> I did not at _all_ like that some of the boss fights made that mandatory
05:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> that would be an interesting one to have a SJW look at
05:31 <@Dagmar> If you weren't turtled, you'd just die.
05:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> eww
05:31 <@Dagmar> I wonder...
05:31 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm sure this makes me a terrible person, but...
05:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> that anime starts off like it'll be really sexist, and then it has a pair of lesbians, and all this other 'wtf' shit, lol
05:31 <@Dagmar> ...I wonder how many of these games would actually pass the Bechdel test
05:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually most
05:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd also like to make a movie with a scene where two girls speak to each other about the bechdel test, for 2 minutes
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then the rest of the movie, just ignore those characters
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> "look... it passes...."
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> this is why god won't let me be a billionaire
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd fucking fund things like that
06:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: holy fuck.... apparently gamergate people are still digging into public info and figuring out the inter-connectedness of all this "sjw" stuff
06:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> i honestly thought it had died off
06:22 <@Bahhumbug> People continue to give them airtime.
06:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> i guess
06:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, its interesting to me at the meta-level, not really what they are finding out, or "finding out"
06:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that people are finally looking
06:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes, there is "better" things to be looking into....isis.... (not my isis), lol...
06:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if something like a website with tools or a 'best practices' arises out of crowd sourced info gathring... that alone could be interesting
07:34 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches an h0ez!
08:26 <@Wilpig_> bah! I best get up and make something to eat quickly.  the housekeeper folks are coming at 10 and I haven't taken the trash out yet.
08:30 <@Dolemite> DON'T FORGET TO PUT ON PANTS
08:30 <@Dolemite> I don't have bail money for you this time
08:34 <@Wilpig_> haha. that's why they text me before they come so I can make sure I have pants on
08:34 <@Dolemite> They've obviously learned from experience
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09:45 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: did you see the latest humblebundle?
09:45 <@Dolemite> no
09:45 <@Wilpig_> they have a bridge building game that 1.0 might like.  https://www.humblebundle.com/
09:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Humble Bundle: PC and Android 11 (pay what you want and help charity) (at www.humblebundle.com)
09:45 <@Wilpig_> and the price is right
09:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah I've already got a similar game to that
09:52 <@CRasH180> there are several similar games on Android. Actually, quite a few of them
10:09 < aestetix_> http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/tom-cotton-and-the-era-post-truth-politics
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10:21 <@Wilpig_> nifty.  http://nofilmschool.com/2014/09/4k-gopro-hero4-black-silver-first-images-specs
10:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Here is the GoPro HERO4 with 4K Up to 30fps (at nofilmschool.com)
10:22 <@Wilpig_> house keepers are here
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10:31 <@Dolemite> Wilpig_: How much extra for them to put on the french maid outfit?
10:32 <@Wilpig_> I don't think I wanna see this black dude in that
10:32 <@Wilpig_> the chick is kinda cute though
10:32 <@Dagmar> wat
10:34 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: the company that I use for housekeeping sends over a small crew
10:34 <@Wilpig_> they clean my place in about an hour and they're gone
10:35 <@Dagmar> Ah
10:35 <@Mirage> They do that so they can rotate in order to minimize exposure?
10:35 <@Wilpig_> $100 every other week is worth it to not have to mop or scrub the bathroom
10:37 <@Dolemite> Seems a bit high, but then again, you're close to NYC
10:38 <@Dolemite> Man I loathe Fiscal Year End
10:42 <@Wilpig_> I could have gotten cheaper but they've been good and they're pretty quick.
10:46 <@Wilpig_> http://h0rris.tumblr.com/post/98372166591
10:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Horris (at h0rris.tumblr.com)
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11:01 <@Dagmar> Damnit
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11:01 <@Dagmar> Recruiters have found me again
11:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: we weren't suppose to give them your contact info?
11:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:06 <@Wilpig_> housekeepers are gone.
11:06 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
11:06 <@Wilpig_> took them about 30 minutes
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11:11 <@Dagmar> *low whistle* http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-26/the-secret-goldman-sachs-tapes
11:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Secret Goldman Sachs Tapes - Bloomberg View (at www.bloombergview.com)
11:32 <@Wilpig_> one of the HR dudes just sent out a message saying "lunch is ready ya'll"
11:32 <@Wilpig_> I probably shouldn't have answered him with "y'all X-|"
11:35 <@Wilpig_> anyone have any thoughts on the boxtrolls movie?
11:35 <@Wilpig_> benthemeek would but that douchebag isn't around
11:35 <@oddball> boxtrolls?
11:36 <@Wilpig_> http://www.fandango.com/theboxtrolls_163451/movieoverview
11:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Boxtrolls (2014) | Fandango (at www.fandango.com)
11:36 <@oddball> ah
11:37 <@Dolemite> I and 2.0 have definite plans to go see it
11:37 <@oddball> Looks like a cute movie.
11:37 <@Dolemite> Review I read said that the only problem was that there needed to be more of the box trolls
11:38 <@Wilpig_> I think i'm gonna go at 2
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11:38 <@benthemeek> okay
11:38 <@Wilpig_> there's that fucker now
11:38 <@Dolemite> GET HIM!
11:38 <@benthemeek> Ive tried to stay away from this place to get work done :P
11:38 <@Wilpig_> we aren't distractions, not even one bit
11:39 <@Wilpig_> how dare you sir!
11:40 <@benthemeek> Thoughts on box trolls. Ive got one kid that absolutly wants to see it and keeps talking about it. I am not sure what to think; it might be one of those animated movies that is amazingly artistic but has a boring story line. (like the last wallace and grommit)
11:41 <@Wilpig_> I don't really remember any wallace and grommit story.  i'm sure they had them but it was always just a fun claymation
11:42 <@benthemeek> the movie the curse of the were rabbit I think
11:43 <@oddball> Yeah... Wallace and Grommit movies have stories, but that's not why you watch them.
11:43 <@benthemeek> I loved the shorts, but didnt think much of the movie.
11:44 <@benthemeek> Rotten tomatoes likes it
11:44 <@benthemeek> thats something
11:46 <@Wilpig_> rotten tomatoes is all over the place on stuff though.  between the critics that like dogshit and the users that want to be critics skewing the user ratings
11:48 <@Dagmar> Ugh.
11:48 <@Dagmar> Elle Fanning is a "like-youknow"
11:48 <@Dagmar> I am disappoint.
11:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: I watch wallace and grommit for the story, lol
11:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i'm odd
11:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> so i accept that
11:51 <@oddball> Dagmar: The actress?  She's also 16, so I'm not terribly surprised.
11:52 <@Dagmar> This Jack movie looks interesting
11:52 <@Corydon76> RangerZ|Laptop: what was the plot for the second Mission Impossible movie?
11:52 <@Corydon76> I'm pretty sure I watched it, but it was mostly for the action shots
11:53 <@Wilpig_> Corydon76: to break into the place and steal the thing
11:53 <@Corydon76> and gratuitous violence
11:53 <@Wilpig_> pretty sure it was the same plot as 1 and 3
11:55 <@Dagmar> Yep
11:57 <@Dagmar> oh hell
11:57 <@Dagmar> The third Atlas Shrugged is out
11:58 <@Wilpig_> no shit?  I saw the second one not long ago
11:58 <@Dagmar> Looks like it opened on the 12th
11:58 <@Dagmar> "Atlas Shrugged: Who Is John Galt?"
11:59 <@Wilpig_> interesting
11:59 < aestetix_> oh god
11:59 < aestetix_> I saw the first two
11:59 <@Wilpig_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2800038/
11:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Atlas Shrugged: Who Is John Galt? (2014) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
11:59 <@Dagmar> ...and you still don't understand then.
12:01 <@Corydon76> Someone should do a movie on the giant clusterfuck that is Galt's Gulch Chile.
12:02 < aestetix_> I understand the book just fine. The movies, on the other hand...
12:02 <@Corydon76> Surprise, surprise.  A community based around people being misanthropes failed to even get off the ground.  Whoda thunk?
12:02 < aestetix_> Corydon76: I think my favorite part was when they did a kickstarter to help fund the film
12:03 <@rhia> and that the subtle irony was completely lost on them, as usual
12:04 <@Dagmar> Yes, for some reason when your movie attacks the idea that execs owning everyone is a bad idea, you have trouble getting funding
12:10 <@Dagmar> Oh hell there's a live-action Kite
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12:28 <@Dolemite> Corydon76, are you aware that you are a portal to hell?
12:28 <@Dolemite> http://boingboing.net/2014/09/26/satan-emerges-from-anus-during.html
12:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Satan emerges from anus during gay sex - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
12:29 <@Corydon76> Nice
12:30 <@Wilpig_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/358468212/the-public-radio-the-single-station-fm-radio
12:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Public Radio - The Single Station FM Radio by Centerline Engineering Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
12:30 <@shapr> uhh
12:30 <@shapr> srsly?
12:31 <@Dolemite> Well if anybody know for sure, it would be a former gay porn star turned fundamentalist evangelist
12:32 <@Dolemite> s/know/knew
12:35 <@benthemeek> hmm my ubuntu Xmanager seems dangerously close to crashing. gonna reboot. BBL
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12:43 <@Dagmar> I can't even watch that jackhole
12:43 <@Dagmar> Twenty seconds in and I want to burn him alive
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...or at least feed him to pirhana.
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13:00 <@Corydon76> http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/swallowed-satan-becoming-gay-nazi-porn-star-witch
13:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Swallowed By Satan: On Becoming A Gay Nazi Porn Star Witch | Right Wing Watch (at www.rightwingwatch.org)
13:03 <@Corydon76> The sad thing is that it's clear the guy is suffering from hallucinations and mental illness, but he went to a church instead of a psychiatrist for help.
13:11 < aestetix_> Exorcism?
13:15 <@Dagmar> Beatings.
13:15 <@Dagmar> You gotta beat the devil out of 'em
13:17 <@Dagmar> Not like, crippling and maiming beatings tho'.  Just enough pain so that the message of "Satan isn't real and you've lost your damn mind" can get through.
13:24 < aestetix_> Wow are you fucking kidding me
13:24 < aestetix_> the new terms and conditions for itunes is 36 pages long
13:24 < aestetix_> who the fuck reads that
13:25 <@Dolemite> Nobody.  That's the point.
13:25 <@eryc> people use itunes?
13:25 <@Dolemite> It's how they download Wave and Flex for their new iPhone 6
13:26 <@Dolemite> Oh, and Do-not-Disturb mode for their cell service
13:26 < aestetix_> or install an app on an ios device
13:31 <@Dagmar> Hey wow... Sasha Grey is in a movie that's not a porno
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13:31 <@Dolemite> She's in more than one
13:31 <@Dagmar> ...and there's already been someone more naked than she was
13:32 <@Dagmar> Lindsey likes movies about the insane, I like horror... I think 'The Scribbler' will fit the bill nicely.
13:33 < aestetix_> Ok, I'm starting to understand why the US is so fucked.
13:33 < aestetix_> Life work balance.
13:33 <@Dagmar> Sure
13:34 <@Dagmar> If people are too busy slaving their goals to someone else's, they don't stand a chance of being a useful and informed member of a democratic society
13:34 < aestetix_> Including sitting on a committee stocked with neo-cons.
13:35 <@eryc> did you see yorke released his new album exclusively on bittorrent?
13:39 <@Dagmar> No idea who yorke is, so...  *shrug*
13:39 <@brimstone> ol' tom?
13:40 < timoguin> with the head of a radio
13:42 <@oddball> Dagmar: Trying to find a good movie for date night? :p
13:42 <@Dagmar> Enh... just a good movie for any time really
13:52 < aestetix_> ok I like ello
13:52 < aestetix_> I was just able to write up a rant about the committee
13:55 < notlarry>  useful and informed member
13:55 < notlarry> of a democratic society"
13:55 < notlarry> Dagmar: you so funny.
13:57 < aestetix_> notlarry: vagina
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14:18 < rattle> So I've been hearing a lot of buzz about this ello thing.  What's the story?
14:19 < aestetix_> I'm loving it.
14:20 < aestetix_> It's sort of like an early version of twitter, without the character limitation.
14:20 <@Corydon76> rattle: appears to be mostly artful content
14:20 <@Corydon76> Haven't seen any news or essays mixed in yet
14:20 < rattle> Invite?
14:20 <@Corydon76> I can send you one
14:20 < aestetix_> Corydon76: I've posted some essay type things
14:20 <@Corydon76> What's your favored address?
14:20 < rattle> nick@levay.org
14:21 <@Corydon76> Sent
14:22 < aestetix_> Corydon76: are you sure giving rattle access to a new forum where there are no apparently limits to how long of a post you can make is a good idea?
14:22 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: You're the only one I've seen who has done that.  There's mostly only images in Noise
14:23 < aestetix_> Corydon76: I think noise is just things from the @ello account
14:23 < aestetix_> Although you can drag peopel into it
14:23 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: I'm not sure giving me access to a forum with fresh meat is a good idea, either
14:23 <@Corydon76> No, Noise is by definition everything that is not already in your Friend stream
14:24 < aestetix_> Corydon76: maybe it is different for you. Huh.
14:24 <@Corydon76> When you Discover, you can choose to place persons either in the Friend or Noise stream (where they already were)
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14:25 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: Or maybe you've added everybody except @ello to your Friend stream
14:25 < aestetix_> lol
14:25 < aestetix_> Interesting, for me the discover allows me to put someone either in friend or noise, but it's not preselected
14:25 <@Corydon76> No, it's not preselected
14:25 <@Corydon76> The point is to show people who you've not already classified
14:25  * shapr hops quietly
14:26 <@Corydon76> But until you classify them, they appear in your Noise stream
14:26 < aestetix_> In my noise stream, all I see is posts from @ello
14:26 <@Corydon76> Or rather, only in Noise.  They may still appear in Noise if you classify them as Noise
14:26 <@Corydon76> Oh, you're right.  But it's all reposts from others
14:27  * aestetix_ nods
14:27 < aestetix_> And they are all like 4 days old
14:27 <@Corydon76> I wonder if @ello is just reposting everything
14:27 <@Corydon76> No, the top post is from 12 hours ago
14:27 < aestetix_> For me it's from 2 days ago
14:28 <@Corydon76> via @oliverage24
14:28 < aestetix_> Ok, we clearly see something different.
14:28 < aestetix_> Mine is via el_pinta, from 3 days ago
14:28 <@Corydon76> Oddly, what's on GayFM while we're discussing this is "Hello"
14:31 < notlarry> A single fucking licence for Microsoft Project, that is all I am asking.
14:31 < notlarry> 10 weeks, 10 fucking weeks.
14:32 < notlarry> Desktop has already offered to "load a copy" on my computer.  *sigh*
14:32 <@Corydon76> People still use MS Project?
14:32 < aestetix_> What is MS Project
14:32 < notlarry> I guess so.  I was given access to a project I'm on and that is what is said it needed.
14:32 <@Corydon76> Allegedly helps people manage multiple people
14:33 <@Corydon76> Things like Gantt charts
14:35 < rattle> Ok.  So far, I don't really see anything compelling about ello.
14:36 < aestetix_> rattle: it's compelling for me because unlike twitter, I can say stuff for more than 140 characters.
14:36 < aestetix_> Also there aren't any fauxminists there yet
14:36 <@brimstone> i don't see fauxminists on twitter
14:36 < aestetix_> brimstone: just say that women are objects and I'l retweet you
14:37 <@Corydon76> rattle: keep in mind this is an early beta
14:37 <@Corydon76> Hence why it's invite-only still
14:37 <@brimstone> i don't know what would compel me to sign up for Yet Another Social Network
14:37 <@Corydon76> brimstone: a promise of no advertisements, ever?
14:38 <@brimstone> Corydon76: but i'm not getting advertisements in twitter now
14:38 <@brimstone> or in irc
14:38 <@oddball> Maybe people finally getting off the network run by a certain asshat?
14:38 <@brimstone> well, there's one bot that's kind of a jerk in one channel
14:38 <@brimstone> but that's about it
14:38 <@Corydon76> Sure you are.  You're just less aware of them
14:39 <@Corydon76> The topic at the top of this channel is an advertisement.
14:39 <@Corydon76> A highly targeted advertisement, at that.
14:41 < aestetix_> oddball: I for one am encouring the facebook exodus
14:41 < aestetix_> For all the NSA hate, Facebook is so much worse
14:43 <@Corydon76> Uh, if your marketing campaign is anti-Facebook instead of pro-Ello, it's destined to fail, because you keep Facebook in the forefront of your mind
14:43 <@Corydon76> That's one of the reasons that Google Plus failed
14:43 < aestetix_> Agreed.
14:43 < aestetix_> Let me rephrase
14:43 < aestetix_> I'm not encouraging the facebook exodus, so much as pushing to enable it by promoting Ello
14:44 <@Corydon76> I think you're pushing it too soon, as rattle pointed out, it's not yet ready for prime-time
14:44 < aestetix_> I'm pushing it to a specific audience that is composed of early adopters
14:45 < aestetix_> The advantage of being an early adopters is possible influence in determining what it will be when it is prime-time
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14:45 <@Corydon76> The nice thing is that the buzz is in the air about Ello, and as long as it remains mysterious, that will continue
14:46 < aestetix_> And it will remain that way while you need an invite code to join
14:46 < rattle> I'll play with it a bit..  But I'm not too excited.
14:46 <@Corydon76> RuPaul gave it a shout out the other day.
14:46 < rattle> We'll see..
14:46 <@Corydon76> If the drag queen community moves to Ello, their followers will come with them
14:46 < aestetix_> Also, the diffrence between this and Google Plus is data ownership.
14:47 <@Corydon76> and that will push a huge community over, which is enough buzz to destroy Facebook's cachet.
14:47 < aestetix_> What I'm really waiting to see is how they handle the money question
14:47 <@Corydon76> You mean how they finance the continued expansion?
14:48 < aestetix_> and continued existence
14:48 < aestetix_> eventually their funds will run out
14:48 < rattle> It's probably more of a risk to tumblr than twitter and facebook.
14:48 < aestetix_> So Wilpig_ should be scared?
14:48 <@Corydon76> rattle: the iPhone pretty well killed Twitter
14:48 <@oddball> Apparently, they're planning on basically microtransactions.
14:48 < rattle> Wa?
14:49 <@oddball> They're going to introduce features that you have to pay to unlock.
14:49 < aestetix_> Hmm.
14:49 <@Corydon76> The whole point of Twitter is that it integrated with every phone, because nobody had smartphone apps before
14:49 < aestetix_> Actually one thing I would love
14:50 <@oddball> It's in their "about" page.
14:50 <@oddball> https://ello.co/wtf/post/why-no-ads
14:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ello | wtf (at ello.co)
14:50 <@Corydon76> The ability of people to do broadcast networking without relying on SMS pretty much ended the whole reason to use Twitter
14:50 < aestetix_> Something similar to reddit gold... where you have an ello wallet, and if someone posts something you like, you can give them a gold, which is similar to giving them a dollar
14:50 < aestetix_> And ello would get a cut
14:51 < aestetix_> That way I could directly pay people for their writing while also supporting ello
14:51 < RangerZ> so i was talking to an advisor today, and he said they weren't "sure" the bash fixes were "fixing" the bug fully , is that true?
14:51 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: yep
14:52 <@Corydon76> The fixes are workarounds
14:52 <@oddball> And, well... there are a zillion MMOs that live off of microtransactions.  Can't imagine that maintaining ello would require as much overhead.
14:52 <@Corydon76> The real fix would be to stop allowing executable code in environment variables at startup
14:52 < RangerZ> can't have that now
14:52 < RangerZ> lol
14:53 < aestetix_> oddball: after the issues with facebook/etc, I'm hoping people will realizing that nothing is free. And it's a much better experience if you give a little money
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14:53 <@Corydon76> But that's a feature in bash, which is why they don't want to remove it
14:53 <@oddball> aestetix_: I kind of liked LiveJournal's solution of "we can either give you ads, or you can pay to not see them."
14:54 < aestetix_> Well sure.
14:54 < RangerZ> good _actual_ justice story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQfTUTSs0I&feature=youtube_gdata
14:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: JUSTICE SERVED! Brutal Cop Fired For Beating Woman - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:54 < aestetix_> The reason I suggested my little plan is because it supports both ello and the writers of content
14:54 < aestetix_> Like if I read an article on the NY Times I really like, I would love to be able to toss 50 cents to the author
14:55 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: that's a bit high.  It probably ought to be micropayments
14:55 < aestetix_> Ok. Maybe 2 cents?
14:55 <@Corydon76> Something along those lines, with ello taking a cut, which would be fractions of a penny
14:55 <@Corydon76> but it all adds up
14:56 < aestetix_> Sure.
14:56 < aestetix_> And someone writing a story for the NY Times... 2 cents a like.... if they get a million likes, that adds up
14:56 <@Corydon76> Well, in that case, the organization would get it, and then decide how to divy that up
14:57 < aestetix_> Right.
14:57 < aestetix_> But that would be really helpful for an independent journalist.
14:57 <@Corydon76> Or an indy musician
14:57 < aestetix_> Imagine if you're doing a story on corruption or something, and you start to get a following. Quality work will directly lead to rewards
14:57 <@shapr> I'm all about that Bass!
14:58 <@Corydon76> And those payments are arguably royalties
14:58 <@Corydon76> which has tax implications
15:03 < RangerZ> aestetix_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmTLYaKGyjs
15:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Did The NSA Force A School District To Spy On Students? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:04 < RangerZ> shrotanswer no
15:04 < RangerZ> lol
15:04 < RangerZ> b/c really... the NSA would just (and are) do it themselves
15:04 <@oddball> Slightly longer answer: the school district was already spying on them?
15:05 < RangerZ> pretty much
15:05 < RangerZ> but not 'spying'
15:05 < RangerZ> just looking at public social media
15:05 <@Mirage> which is none of their business anyway
15:06 < RangerZ> i'm fine with them looking at public profiles
15:06 < RangerZ> teaches the kids to hide things better
15:06 < RangerZ> lol
15:20 <@oddball> And the schools that handed out laptops with backdoors to their cameras?
15:23 < RangerZ> thats diff
15:23 < RangerZ> thats actual invasion of privacy
15:29 <@Dagmar> A _completely_ inadequate level of oversight
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16:01 < aestetix_> How long is the US going to survive with the work ethic companies have?
16:03 < aestetix_> http://boingboing.net/2014/09/26/ello-whats-all-this-then-a.html
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16:44 < RangerZ> what do you mean?
16:44 < RangerZ> capitolism? where your goal is to treat 'them' as objects to get the most work out of
16:44 < RangerZ> and pay the least amount to
16:45 < RangerZ> by definition, companies are just doing what they are _suppose_ to do in our economic system
16:45 < RangerZ> if we want companies to compansate fairly, we have to pass rules that allow that
16:47 < RangerZ> if _every_ company has to pay min wage of 15$/hr (which is only 30k/yr...which isn't that much in all honestly...)  Then none of them will be at a comparative economic disadvanatage compared to other companies in the USA (now... about 'outside'... thats where terrifs come into play)
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17:00 < RangerZ> but we've passed treaties pretty much preventing tarrifs from being applied to goods
17:04 < RangerZ> so you have two options, we're having too much regulations when it comes to laws, and "preventing" you from working more than 40 hours a week without getting paid overtime, so therefore companies don't want do that, or we need more protections for workers(trying to be as neutral tone on othe matter as possible, lol)
17:11 <@sasquatc4> http://www.scribd.com/doc/228831637/Optimal-Tip-to-Tip-Efficiency#fullscreen
17:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Optimal Tip-to-Tip Efficiency (at www.scribd.com)
17:12 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: the problem has never been "too many regulations" per se, but rather "too many changes to regulations"
17:12 <@sasquatc4> someone wrote an entire research paper analyzing silicon valleys tip2tip discussion
17:12 < RangerZ> thats a 3rd opinion
17:13 < RangerZ> I don't nessicarially agree
17:13 <@Corydon76> Once a business has adapted to a regulation, it's pretty easy to continue following that regulation.  It's when the regulations are changed every single year that it becomes a problem
17:13 < RangerZ> b/c changing the regulations to prevent children from working after 8pm, or more than 3 hours, and other rules, aren't bad
17:14 <@Corydon76> Because adapting to a regulation means that it has to go through the bullshit of hiring some lawyer to figure out exactly what it means and what the company has to change in order to comply, and then change a bunch of processes
17:14 < RangerZ> sure, I agree that laws shouldn't change _every_ year, but alas, we have decided that we will combine tax collection with government expendatures
17:15 <@Corydon76> That's the painful part.  It's the change, not the regulation itself.
17:15 < RangerZ> which is a horrible situation... but alas, its too politically difficult to change
17:15 < RangerZ> b/c BIG companies have lawyers to deal with it, and like that it harms innovation of new comers
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17:15 <@Corydon76> I've heard from small businesses that if they could only change these things once every 10 years, including the parts that get thrown out or modified by courts, small businesses would be a lot happier
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17:42 < RangerZ> I think we should try to keep individual laws the same for 3 years, unless the courts rule them unconstitutional , b/c we can't allow bad laws to stand like that
17:44 < RangerZ> but things like the ACA (Obama care) took years to implement, and republicans refuse to vote on clarifications, simplifications, and other improvements, because they are fundamentally apposed to the law, b/c they want people to just die if they get sick (and yes, I'll go that far, b/c thats what would happen if they were sucessful in repealing the law)
17:47 < RangerZ> 'tort reform' is a starwman arguement, b/c without financial liabilities like that, doctors wouldn't be as responsible for the care they give out. The real reason why doctors go into non-family practice, and into high paying specializiations is because they can't hope to pay off their student loans otherwise... which I feel is the root cause of the problem with our medical system, that.... and the AMA being allowed to limit the number o
17:50 < RangerZ> well that and there being no 'basic minimum level of free health care' like every other civilized nation on earth
17:50 < RangerZ> i'm not saying great care, etc... but a basic minimum
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18:03 <@Corydon76> RangerZ: I think we should give businesses the option of either obeying regulations thrown out by courts for X number of years, or face adapting to ALL changes.  I bet many businesses would opt to avoid changing anything for the duration
18:04 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW4XO-52ubE
18:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Kill the Messenger Official Trailer #1 (2014) - Jeremy Renner Crime Movie HD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:05 <@eryc> from https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-media-destruction-gary-webb/
18:05 < RangerZ> thats not why regulations are thrown out
18:05 < RangerZ> its b/c they cause a harm , they could only decide to do that if the harm was ONLYto them, but sure, if thats the case
18:08 <@Corydon76> Call it the Delayed Due Diligence Act... if a business does their due diligence on regulations, and follows them to the letter, they may be excused from all new regulations for a period of 3 years, as long as they continue complying all regulations in place as of that date.
18:09 <@Corydon76> If they want to evade a regulation tossed out by the courts, they experience a reset and have to comply with all new regulations as of the new date.
18:31 < aestetix_> RangerZ: do you know anything about Elizabeth Warren's campaign contributions?
18:31 < aestetix_> I'm wondering if the big banks have supportd her
18:33 < RangerZ> they have to
18:33 < RangerZ> b/c otherwise if she gets elected she isn't influenced by them
18:33 < RangerZ> and 'big banks' => more individuals who work at the big banks, than the 'banks' themselves
18:33 < RangerZ> and a lot of them are democrats anyways
18:35 < RangerZ> but when companies themselves do back a canidate, they back both sides, usually 60/40
18:35 < aestetix_> https://ello.co/markzuckerberg
18:52 < aestetix_> Want a scary thought?
18:53 < aestetix_> Imagine if each senator and congressman expanded their authority as much as the president has over the years
18:53 < RangerZ> nope
18:53 < RangerZ> he hasn't expanded it
18:53 < RangerZ> congress has expanded it for him
18:53 < RangerZ> executive only has as much leway as congress gives them
18:53 < aestetix_> let me rephrase
18:53 < aestetix_> imagine if every senator had as much bureuacracy under him as the president does
18:54 < RangerZ> FFS ... "imperial presidency" was the term founded by bush's lackies
18:54 < RangerZ> back after nixon
18:54 < aestetix_> which is funny because that would describe fdr
18:55 < RangerZ> yes/no, the 2 terms was only tradition before that
18:55 < RangerZ> so its not like he actually did anything 'wrong' in that sense
18:55 < aestetix_> and court packing?
18:55 < RangerZ> "that sense"
18:55 < RangerZ> lol
18:55 < aestetix_> and the entire new deal?
18:55 < RangerZ> new deal is constitional
18:55 < RangerZ> and it was passed by congress
18:55 < aestetix_> tell that to the northern businesses
18:56 < RangerZ> ACA is constitional too
18:56 < RangerZ> doesn't mean everyone agrees with it
18:56 < aestetix_> ok what do you think would have happened if the court packing plan had passed
18:56 < RangerZ> plus, 'whats constitional' only depends on who you can pack into the court with max of 9
18:57 < RangerZ> honestly, I don't know, b/c I havne't looked too much into it
18:57 < aestetix_> it would have been interesting
18:57 < aestetix_> because fdr had a democratic congress
18:57 < RangerZ> probably less "half-measures" like we have had
18:57 < aestetix_> the whole reason for the court packing plan was to make the supreme court democratic too
18:58 < RangerZ> but he hated most of the new deal
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18:59 < RangerZ> and it was only his one secretary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins who pushed for social security and medicare
18:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Frances Perkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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19:00 < RangerZ> b/c FDR didn't want to be associated with "the dole"
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19:00 < aestetix_> hmm
19:00 < aestetix_> I should read a biography on FDR
19:00 < RangerZ> she was the person who convinced him to go for it
19:00 < aestetix_> right
19:01 < aestetix_> I'm aware of her
19:01 < aestetix_> Reminds me a bit of how Robert Moses had to put playgrounds in harlem to please public opinion, so he put a bunch of pictures of monkeys all over the place
19:02 < RangerZ> but honestly, the more I think about it, the more I don't know if we're strengthened or weakened by the seperation of the executive and legislative
19:02 < RangerZ> aka, a parlimentary system
19:02 < aestetix_> right
19:03 < RangerZ> i think if we pass an ammendment allowing campaign finance and saying 'corps are not people'
19:03 < RangerZ> that it'll help fix itself
19:03 <@Wilpig_> we're weakened by allowing our decision makers to become so far separated from the people they represent
19:03 < aestetix_> I WOULD LOVE THAT
19:04 < aestetix_> er no caps
19:04 < RangerZ> b/c politicans are afraid of doing what is right, b/c they are afraid of losing the backing of their doners
19:04 < RangerZ> most fiscially conservative republicans KNOW that their policies aren't actually as effective
19:04 < RangerZ> but they can't do anything about it b/c of polarization
19:05 < RangerZ> same with democrats and education
19:05 < RangerZ> democrats are afraid to do ANYTHING with education, b/c they are afraid of what poison pills republicans will put in
19:05 < RangerZ> like.... getting rid of mentioning Jefferson in history books... and instead mention Norquist and The Heritage Foundation
19:06 < RangerZ> i fucking wish i was making that shit up
19:15 < RangerZ> http://www.twitch.tv/angryjoeshow
19:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
19:15 < RangerZ> Civ: Beyond Earth being streamed
19:26 <@Dagmar> I'll just mute him and wait until something interesting happens
19:28 <@Dagmar> ...and really, game companies could do better than to give people like that early access
19:28 < RangerZ> not really, he has a huge following
19:29 < RangerZ> personally I'm 50/50 on him , but ehh
19:29 < RangerZ> he IS the only person to call out Major Nelson about the xbone DRM being a "if we chose to turn if off we could"
19:32 <@Dagmar> I'm beginning to think maybe he doesn't have access
19:32 < RangerZ> nah he does, he's in the game
19:33 < RangerZ> but he isn't "affiliated" like most other youtubers
19:33 < RangerZ> so he spends a lot of his time getting direct donations/subscriptions
19:33 < RangerZ> like months at a time no videos...
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19:37 <@Dagmar> You _certain_ this is a responsible adult/
19:38 < RangerZ> he makes more than we do
19:38 < RangerZ> so yeah....
19:38  * RangerZ goes and cries
19:38 <@Dagmar> That doesn't mean he's a responsible adult
19:39 < RangerZ> true
19:41 <@Dagmar> This dude is an idiot
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19:45 < aestetix_> RangerZ: https://medium.com/matter/the-women-i-pretend-to-be-ef0a5ce97277
19:46 <@Wilpig_> I think i'm gonna have a problem later tonight.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejvbhxofjf275ud/2014-09-26%2019.41.09.jpg?dl=0
19:46 <@Dagmar> Not as long as you wash your hands before you have sexy time
19:49 <@Wilpig_> more looking at eve as the problem
19:50 < aestetix_> penis
19:50 <@Wilpig_> no aestetix_, that's a cat
19:50 < aestetix_> pussy?
19:50 <@Wilpig_> it's very clearly a small furry animal so I can see where you might be confused
19:58 < aestetix_> http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/26/technology/ello/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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20:32 < aestetix_> http://valleywag.gawker.com/mark-zuckerberg-pays-kids-to-squat-in-parking-spots-ove-1639654731/all
20:37 < RangerZ> and people think this is new?
20:37 < RangerZ> congressmen pay 100$/hr for line sitters tot he supreme court
20:37 < RangerZ> same damn thing, lol
20:38 < RangerZ> its literally not worth _not_ paying, just so you don't have to spend time thinking about it
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21:05 < RangerZ> HAHAHA congressman got caught on tape saying he's trying to get generals to quit ...for political reasons
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22:16 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: That's firing squad offence
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'd think so
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> but he didn't say he was trying to have them defect to canada
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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23:36 < aestetix_> RangerZ: have oyu seen the West Wing?
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