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03:30 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8qVuc32Rc
03:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Roger Goodell (Extended Web Exclusive) (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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04:12 < aestetix_> vagina
04:58 <@Dickie> HEY ME TOO
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop2> Dickie: not for several weeks
05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop2> lol
05:35 < RangerZ|Laptop2> (i actually don't know offhand how many weeks... but i know its not instant, plus different births can be more damaging, etc)
05:41 <@Dickie> wat
05:42 < RangerZ|Laptop2> didn't your wife just give birth today ?
05:42 < RangerZ|Laptop2> or w/e
05:42 < RangerZ|Laptop2> or yourself
05:42 <@Dickie> Friday, yeah
05:43 < RangerZ|Laptop2> i just meant it'd take a while to heal, thats all
05:43 < aestetix_> I thought Dickie was Corydon76's boyfriend
05:43 <@Dickie> Oh
05:43 <@Dickie> Guuuuurl, he wishes
05:43  * Dickie z-snaps
05:44 <@Dickie> RangerZ|Laptop2: gotcha
05:44 <@Dickie> and for us, longer because c-section
05:45 < RangerZ|Laptop2> ahh, yeah
05:45 <@Dickie> Then it's all bang bang bang sexy time all the time forever
05:45 <@Dickie> Because that's life with two kids
05:45  * Dickie starts sobbing
05:45 < RangerZ|Laptop2> you just need to get to 5
05:45 < RangerZ|Laptop2> then you can be like just 19 kids and counting
05:46 < RangerZ|Laptop2> and start having the older ones take care of the younger ones
05:46 < RangerZ|Laptop2> my mom actually used to like to watch that show for some god forsaken reason
05:46 < RangerZ|Laptop2> and apparently the guy admitted it once on camera, that it sucked until they were up to 5~6
05:46 < RangerZ|Laptop2> then it became a lot easier
05:46 < RangerZ|Laptop2> lol
05:47 <@Dickie> I bet the older kids were like "GOD DAMNIT" every time their mom got pregnant
05:47 < RangerZ|Laptop2> pretty much
05:47 < RangerZ|Laptop2> apparently while a mother is breast feeding she doesn't ovulate
05:47 < RangerZ|Laptop2> but SHE does, b/c she's broken
05:47 < RangerZ|Laptop2> lol
05:47 <@Dickie> AWESOME
05:47 < RangerZ|Laptop2> so thats why they have so many
05:48 <@Dickie> I think my coworker's daughter is like that
05:48 <@Dickie> They have a 3 month old and another on the way
05:48 < RangerZ|Laptop2> could be worse... she could be russian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Vassilyev
05:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Feodor Vassilyev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
05:48 < RangerZ|Laptop2> 69 kids
05:48  * Dickie vomits
05:48 < RangerZ|Laptop2> She gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, 7 sets of triplets and 4 sets of quadruplets between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 69 births.
05:48 <@Dickie> How the fuck?
05:49 <@Dickie> RIP her vagina
05:49 < RangerZ|Laptop2> 16+7+4 = 27 separate births
05:49 < RangerZ|Laptop2> duplicity of eggs splitting is genetic
05:49 < RangerZ|Laptop2> and apparently she had the same thing
05:49 < RangerZ|Laptop2> so....
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop2> twins and triplets run in my family, so if/when I mention that to girlfriends....
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop2> they quickly becomes ex-girlfriends...
05:51 <@Dickie> There, there, RangerZ|Laptop2
05:51 <@Dickie> I bet you have plenty of horrible qualities that lend to the situation
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop2> thanks, that makes me feel so much better
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop2> why don't you go fuck aestetix_
05:52 < RangerZ|Laptop2> b/c you'll already be fucking yourself until the wife is healed.... lol
05:53 < RangerZ|Laptop2> actually Its the schooling thing... Telling someone "yep, I have no idea where I'll live in the next few years" doesn't help, lol... So i'm not really even looking ...plus its cheaper... hehe
05:56 <@Dickie> Can't wait for everyone in the house to wake up so I can go to sleep
05:56 <@Dickie> New dad panic
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop2> so anyways, mom and the kid home i take it then?
05:57 <@Dickie> Inlaws are here, too
05:57 <@Dickie> We went home this afternoon
05:57  * RangerZ|Laptop2 comforts Dickie
05:57 <@Dickie> Yeah, they broke the bathroom sink, so they're going to fix my bathroom sink
05:58 <@Dickie> I don't know how they do it, but every time they visit, the pipes under the sink come apart
05:59 < RangerZ|Laptop2> i can probably tell ya
05:59 < RangerZ|Laptop2> my step dad is the same way
06:00 < RangerZ|Laptop2> he turns the faucets too quick and with too much force
06:00 < RangerZ|Laptop2> so it wears out the washers and internals sometimes on ALL faucets/shutoffs/etc
06:00 < RangerZ|Laptop2> took me and my mom years to figure it out
06:02 < RangerZ|Laptop2> ___really fucking sucked___ when he did it to one of the main shutoff valves when turning it off when we were replacing the kitchen sink... and then we couldn't turn the water off at all
06:03 < RangerZ|Laptop2> 'how' he did/does it... I can explain with faucets... but shutoffs.... I think he's just cursed
06:03 <@Dickie> What's he going to the main shutoff valve so often that it wears it out?
06:04 <@Dickie> Also, I want whiskey
06:04 <@Dickie> s/going/doing/
06:05 < RangerZ1> not often, but he'd over torque them so much that only a few times was enough
06:05 < RangerZ1> it was an old hosue, and honestly it all just needed replaced
06:09 < RangerZ1> plus you have to use it several times a year, when weather could freeze over (in ohio)
06:13 <@Dickie> oh ya
06:13 <@Dickie> "the north"
06:13 <@Dickie> weirdos
06:15 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDPCmmZifE8
06:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Miss America Pageant (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
07:10 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: do you ever sleep?
07:10 < RangerZ1> yeah
07:10 < RangerZ1> often from now til noon ish
07:11 < aestetix_> your work schedule must be really nice
07:30 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: I'm listening to that Internet Aristocrat guy
07:30 < aestetix_> Who is the "them" he is railing against?
07:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:13 < RangerZ1> Anita S. Zoe Quinn, the editors of the major game sites
08:30 < aestetix_> This drama isn't going to go away as long as Anita S makes money off it
08:30 < aestetix_> Unless she is sufficiently discredited
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08:36 <@Wilpig_> awwww wtf.  i wasn't expecting any deliveries today
08:47 <@Dagmar>  I'd say tha makes those packages suspicious, by definition
08:52 <@Dolemite> BURN THEM
08:52 <@Dagmar> Jesus wtf
08:52 <@Dagmar> I thought CAD was screwing around
08:53 <@Dagmar> WHat the fuck is with FFXV
08:54 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JsYab06atM&feature=youtu.be
08:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Video Game Publisher Employee Sent Me Nudes?!?!?! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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08:56 <@Corydon76> Clearly, the game industry employee saw "Alice" and thought "random fangirl I can fuck"
08:57 <@Dagmar> I'm with 'Alice'.  This is clearly the work of a wackjob
08:57 < aestetix_> fucking scaling issues
08:58 <@Dagmar> If you asked 1,000 people it it was appropriate as a PR representative, to send nude pics of yourself to a prospective critic, you'd likely get about 600 "Absolutely, not." and 400 "This is a joke, right?"
08:59 < aestetix_> Alice?
08:59 < aestetix_> I assume that is not American McGee's Alice
08:59 < aestetix_> Because taht game was awesome
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08:59 <@Corydon76> It's a very feminine guy.
08:59 <@Dagmar> The revierwe person
08:59 <@Dagmar> It's more than that
08:59 <@Dagmar> This, I suspect, is one of the non-gendered
09:00 <@Dagmar> But... not really my business and I'm not planning on fuckin' 'em, so I neither am concerned nor have a reason to be
09:01 <@Dagmar> This PR person so definitely needs to be fired
09:01 < aestetix_> url?
09:01 < aestetix_> oh I guses I should watch the video
09:01 <@Dagmar> yes.
09:01 <@Dagmar> Corydon linked it
09:01 <@Dagmar> I like Alice.  Heh
09:01 < aestetix_> against my better judgement
09:01 <@Dagmar> "Really, bitch?"
09:02 < aestetix_> The whole gaming community seems like a bunch of hormone-addled teenage ameteurs
09:02 <@Dagmar> I like to think of them as "fucking idiots"
09:03 <@Dagmar> Anytime I watch a Let's Play, the incompetence on display makes me despair for the fate of humanity.
09:03 < aestetix_> I really respect the not naming names bit
09:03 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: Well, yeah, what do you think is the gaming industry's primary audience?
09:03 < aestetix_> Make the issues public without making it personal
09:03 <@Dagmar> I'd post the pics.
09:03 < aestetix_> Corydon76: sigh
09:03 <@Dagmar> hehe
09:05 <@Dagmar> lol
09:05 < aestetix_> I will physically hurt someone if they ask me about gamergate at harvard
09:07 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: Hoever, if it turns out it's anyone from Polygon, I'll be pissed
09:07 < aestetix_> Corydon76: this is like the high school version of dashcon
09:07 < aestetix_> Where dashcon was the middleschool version
09:07 <@Dagmar> I would roll on Polygon for thi
09:07 <@Dagmar> ss
09:07 <@Wilpig_> Corydon76: I think that I am indeed the gaming industry's primary audience, outside of sponsorship/advertising people
09:08 <@Dagmar> I also think it wouldn't be inappropriate to send that email over the the police
09:08 <@Dagmar> I get a serious "stalking little boys" vibe off this situation
09:08 < aestetix_> Wow.
09:09 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: he points out in the second video that he is male, both biological and identified
09:09 < aestetix_> This is like someone trying to be clever and manipulative and doing it badly.
09:09 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: That may be so, but I'm talking about someone who rejects gender entirely
09:09 < aestetix_> Dagmar: do they also reject sex?
09:09 <@Dagmar> Like, it would be harder for this person to be any more androgynous
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09:10 <@Dagmar> s/harder/hard/
09:10 <@Corydon76> He uses "Alice" because he loves Alice in Wonderland, and he enjoys playing female characters in MMORPGs
09:12 < aestetix_> Woah. 10 minutes in, totally unreasonable.
09:12 < aestetix_> Jesus.
09:12 <@Corydon76> and I find a lot of gamers tend towards androgyny, probably because minimal grooming allows for more gaming
09:12 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I trust you're talking about the rep's behaviour
09:12 < aestetix_> Yes
09:13 < aestetix_> This is like the dictionary definition of sexual harassment.
09:14 <@Dagmar> This sounds to me like dude likes to stalk younguns on the internet
09:14 < aestetix_> That is fucked up
09:14 < rattle> And people say the information security industry is sexist..
09:14 <@Dagmar> Imma flat out suggest to Alice that a talk with the police might be in order
09:15 < aestetix_> Dagmar: yes.
09:16 <@Corydon76> What would the police do?  It's not illegal to send a photo of your junk to another adult.
09:16 <@Corydon76> It's merely unprofessional and inappropriate.
09:16 <@Dagmar> Make sure it's only being sent to adults, for one
09:16 <@Dagmar> I suspect that this is not the case
09:17 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but without an initial crime, the police don't have a way to investigate.
09:17 <@Dagmar> Soliciting minors for sex is a big nono
09:17 <@Dagmar> The police might not but the FBI would look into this
09:17 < rattle> It would be FBI's jurisdiction.
09:18 <@Corydon76> Still not.  They can't get a search warrant based upon a non-crime
09:18 <@Dagmar> For financial crimes there may be a required ante of $25,000, but if you show them something pedo or terrorist they go nuts
09:18 < aestetix_> I actually think they broke the law. In which case, revealing their legal name to the FBI is totally warranted
09:18 <@Dagmar> You can get a search warrant based on suspicion
09:18 <@Corydon76> Now, if Alice had actually been underage, yes.
09:18 < aestetix_> (I'm fine with using legal names for legal issues)
09:19 <@Dagmar> Ah there's a followup video with 100% less penis in it
09:19 <@Corydon76> Yep, I've been watching it
09:20 <@Dagmar> Oh lol the publisher got the authorities involved.  HAHAH
09:20 <@Corydon76> Most of the Q&A gets into reviewing games
09:20 <@Corydon76> So pretty boring for me
09:21 <@Dagmar> Now for the moment of truth...
09:22 <@Dagmar> CAN ALICE PLAY FOREST WITHOUT FAILING LIKE AN IDIOT?
09:23 <@Dagmar> Yes, I take this sort of qualification very seriously
09:25 < rattle> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/home-depot-ignored-security-warnings-for-years-employees-say/
09:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home Depot ignored security warnings for years, employees say | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
09:25 < rattle> Excuse me..  Ahem..
09:25 < rattle> HAHAHAHAHAHA
09:25 <@Dagmar> What?  That NEVER happens
09:25 <@Dagmar> No one ever ignores the dire security warnings coming from their own employees.
09:27 <@Dagmar> What I find impressive is... 56 million cards, versus 313 million people total in the US
09:27 < rattle> s/employees/employees that just happen to currently be under inditement for owning their last company/
09:28 <@Dagmar> That sounds like 'blame the messenger' in progress
09:28 < aestetix_> You know, I'm all about sexual freedom and whatnot. But only when it's appropriate.
09:28 <@Dagmar> Hopefulyl they learned how to cover their asses
09:28 < aestetix_> And sending a dick pic to someone who had no expectation of it, in a business transaction, is not appropriate.
09:29 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: I have respect for Alice because they don't behave like a fucking moron in their LP videos
09:31 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Dude, you're being too generous
09:31 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: That person was very _clearly_ fishing for sexual favors
09:31 < aestetix_> Yes, I know.
09:39 <@Dagmar> Good news, everyone!
09:39 <@Dagmar> Person of Interest starts a new season tomorrow!
09:39 <@Wilpig_>  ooo ooo, is it me?
09:40 <@Dagmar> Maybe i'll actually get a recording of this
09:40 <@Dagmar> Saturday night, my cable tuner apparently crashed
09:41 <@Dagmar> I got three hours of "A still of some fisherman"
09:41 <@Dagmar> Records at 2.7Gb/hour.
09:41 < aestetix_> Dagmar: sweet!
09:41 < aestetix_> That show rocks
09:42 <@Dagmar> Well, it's got better sets than the "You don't have this channel" Show
09:42 <@Dagmar> Their obsession with blue is disturbing and the plots are _really_ bare-bones.
09:49 < aestetix_> I really want to see the two chicks in Person of Interest get it on
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09:59 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Snuff flicks are illegal
10:00 < rattle> Finally, the angle we needed on ISIS.
10:04 <@Dagmar> ?
10:05 <@Wilpig_> http://twolumps.net/d/20140917.html
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10:06 < rattle> snuff flicks
10:06 < rattle> It was a bad joke.
10:06 <@Dagmar> Ahh
10:06 < aestetix_> rattle: you know, I must say it is impressive the amount of shit the GOP has thrown at Obama
10:07 < aestetix_> I would not have lasted that long in office, myself
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10:19 < aestetix_> Actually you know what
10:19 < aestetix_> Gamergate is like a less mature version of the Wikileaks drama
10:19 < aestetix_> Which is really fucking sad
10:21 < aestetix_> It says something when your actions make Julian Assange look like the pinnacle of moral propriety.
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10:23 <@CRasH180> That is saying something alright
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10:46 < aestetix_> ok so
10:46 < aestetix_> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/19/apples-dangerous-game/
10:47 < aestetix_> Long story short, Apple's new encryption prevents apple/the government from accessing the contents of your phone, even with a warrant.
10:47 < aestetix_> Isn't this a good thing, in that the government would then have to contact the owner of the phone to get access?
10:48 <@Corydon76> The government wants to continue to pry into our secrets without us knowing
10:48 < aestetix_> Which I am not ok with
10:48 <@CRasH180> Not surprised
10:49 < aestetix_> The reason I'm not ok with it is because it removes my chance to defend myself.
10:49 < aestetix_> If I'm aware of a court order, I can fight it. If I'm not, then I can't.
10:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Look at the exact wording of the announcement
10:50 < aestetix_> IE if I used gmail, and the government asked google for my emails, what interest does google have in telling me about that?
10:50 <@Dagmar> Look at it _carefully_
10:51 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Compliance with the law, actually
10:51 < rattle> If MemeGenerator offered an on-premises solution..  I could complete manage through memes.
10:51  * rattle dreams a little dream.
10:51 <@Dagmar> Like, if cops come to your home to raid your shit, they're actually required to show you the warrant
10:52 < aestetix_> Dagmar: right. But Google has no obligation to tell ME about it.
10:52 <@Dagmar> If you are not there, they are supposed to make an effort to communicate to you that the warrant was served, anyway
10:52 < aestetix_> And with NSLs they are legally prevented from doing so.
10:52 <@Dagmar> NSLs break things
10:52 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: the author of that piece is a moron (I suspect intentionally) in that he assumes that all warrants are legal
10:52 <@Dagmar> ..but without an NSL, there's a legal obligation to notify the subject of the warrant being serviced
10:52 < aestetix_> Corydon76: Orin Kerr is the leading expert of the CFAA
10:52 <@Corydon76> Which is pretty typical of conservative jurists
10:53 < aestetix_> He wrote the Computer Crime Law book.
10:53 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: So did you look closely at what Apple said?
10:53 <@Corydon76> So he's pissed that Apple just made the job of law enforcement a lot more difficult.
10:53 < aestetix_> Corydon76: yes
10:54 <@Dagmar> ...cuz it'll be important later I'm sure
10:54 <@Wilpig_> rattle: have you seen internal tumblr mail?
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10:54 <@Dagmar> Corydon76: I think he's making a fucking show of it
10:54 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: which is also why I think he's a moron
10:54 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you mena https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/?
10:54 < rattle> Wilpig_: No, but I bet it has a lot in common with my SOC internal chat channel.
10:54 <@Dagmar> To put it bluntly, Apple described a rather specific set of circumstances
10:54 <@brimstone> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/maker-faire-atlanta-2014-registration-12386950703
10:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Maker Faire Atlanta 2014 Registration, Decatur - Eventbrite (at www.eventbrite.com)
10:55 <@Dagmar> For these circumstances to have meaning, at minimum, the phone is going to require an unlock code to boot up
10:55 <@Wilpig_> rattle: there are memes even in our ticket system...
10:55 < aestetix_> Dagmar: that reminds me of... Palladium?
10:55 < rattle> Same thing going on here.
10:55 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, if you're using slide-to-unlock, I can assure you there are multiple vendors ready to sell you software that will image the phone in a few moments if it is powered on and unlocked.
10:55 <@Corydon76> It was the inevitable response to the disclosure that the law enforcement community has been abusing the trust of the technology companies
10:55 < rattle> 80% of my delegations use this.  http://memegenerator.net/Office-Space-Boss/caption
10:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Office Space Boss - caption character | Meme Generator (at memegenerator.net)
10:56 <@Dagmar> Meaning, if  you're being hassled on the street by a cop, and they can get someone with a laptop and the right software down there quick enough (or have them on-site and ready) they can image your phone on the spot
10:56 <@Dagmar> No amount of anything will protect you unless you've turned it off and secured it
10:56 <@Dagmar> So it's true that LEOs won't be able to send them a phone in FedEx to have unlocked at their leisure
10:56 <@Dagmar> ...but that's the complete extent of that protection.
10:57 < aestetix_> Hmm.
10:57 < aestetix_> Police cars usually have computers in them.
10:57 < aestetix_> I wonder what software is on those computers
10:57 <@Dagmar> Yes, yes, they do.
10:57 <@Dagmar> Such a licence would be fairly pricey
10:57 < aestetix_> lol
10:57 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm sure DHS can swing it
10:57 < aestetix_> They can just get another DHS grant
10:57 < aestetix_> right
10:57 < rattle> OMG.  I spoke last year at a law enforcement conference regarding security at departments.
10:57 < rattle> Um.
10:57 < rattle> It's not good.
10:57 <@Dagmar> What kind of departments?
10:57 < aestetix_> rattle: what conference?
10:57 <@Wilpig_> rattle: straight from my inbox... https://www.dropbox.com/s/obvdxoay0zi6pjd/harddrives-meme.png?dl=0
10:58 < rattle> Police Innovation Boston.
10:58 < rattle> Police departments.
10:58 <@Dagmar> Ah
10:58 < aestetix_> It's not good in the sense that police are ill-equipped, or that citizens are fucked?
10:58 <@Dagmar> I just pay attention to news feedws
10:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I ain't just whistling dixie about said software
10:59 < aestetix_> That actually makes me wonder what kind of encryption police cars use.
10:59 <@Dagmar> If you watch news feeds diligently enough you learn about all kinds of companies perfectly willing to lend their technical acumen to buttfucking your rights.
10:59 < aestetix_> well yes
10:59 <@Dagmar> Hell, I've got a copy of Finfisher here somewhere
10:59 <@Dagmar> Does Av notice it?  Of course not.
10:59 < aestetix_> heh
11:00 < aestetix_> Well that's a detection issue.
11:00 <@Dagmar> It's a "looking the other way" issue.
11:00 < aestetix_> And I'm pretty sure AV software only looks for certain kinds of packers
11:00 < aestetix_> IE if you write your own packer, it's going to evade detection.
11:00 <@Dagmar> Blacklist antivir generally looks for _known_ badness, remember?
11:00 < aestetix_> That's what I just said
11:01 <@Dagmar> AV vendors can quite easily upon request whitelist software
11:01 <@Dagmar> Remember we saw a light shined on that when BackOrifice was released
11:01 <@Wilpig_> write the next botnet on the back of whatever uncle sam has paid the vendors to ignore
11:01 <@Dagmar> "legit" software that does precisely the same thing, including hiding from the user, is ignored by Norton
11:03 < aestetix_> You know what would be bad?
11:03 < aestetix_> If Norton/McAffee's systems got hacked.
11:03 < aestetix_> The people who put out the antivirus software
11:03 <@Corydon76> aestetix_: you don't think that the software is all checksummed and signed?
11:04 < rattle> Whitelisting is starting to become generally accepted as a solution that works, which is nice.
11:04 < aestetix_> Corydon76: I'm pretty sure all the diginotar issued certs were checksummed and signed too.
11:05 < aestetix_> rattle: but whitelisting on what criterion?
11:05 < aestetix_> name of the file? magic number?
11:06 <@Dagmar> I think Diginotar were jackhole amateurs who knew a cash grab when they see it
11:07 <@Dagmar> I expect an AV company with a lot of face to lose is going to be very, very rigorous about procedure and audits for their releass
11:07 < aestetix_> Dagmar: and where does the NSA fall?
11:07 <@Dagmar> Of course I expected Sony to know better than to store passwords in plaintext and keep all their CC numbers on the production intranet, so I could be wrong.
11:08 <@Dagmar> I am speculating based on the likely hiring criteria an AV company is likely to have
11:08 < rattle> Our solution is policy based, so it's completely up to the user.  Hash based, trusted sources, trusted updaters, trusted publishers, file reputation scores, etc..  Whatever you define.
11:09 < rattle> So you can be completely untrusting in a fixed function environment like POS, ATM, Kiosk..  Or more trusting in desktop environments and grant trust to certain publishers on a cert by cert basis.
11:10 <@Corydon76> rattle: I hope there's a "secure by default" policy that you make easy to add
11:10 < aestetix_> rattle: what is a file reputation score?
11:11 < rattle> We will not do a deployment without our services people in the loop and a defined statement of work defining what the customers goals are.  There's no "default" per-say that's relevant.
11:11 < rattle> We don't fuck around.
11:11 < rattle> We are enterprise.
11:11 < rattle> We will not even sell to you unless you're protecting at least a hundred systems.
11:11 < aestetix_> Sounds like you have a big dick ;)
11:11 < rattle> Fucking gigantic.
11:12 < rattle> And that's just the whitelisting solution.
11:12 <@Dagmar> With the way people manage their shit this seems perfectly reasonable to me
11:12 < rattle> The ETDR stuff is way lower friction, but it assumes it's being used by experienced IR staff or one of our IR/MSSP partners.
11:12 < aestetix_> rattle: so do you work with BYOD at all?
11:12 < rattle> Yeah..  Typically, BYOD situations have NAC in the mix.
11:13 < rattle> If you're on the network w/o our tech in place in the endpoint, we obviously don't protect that endpoint.
11:13 <@Dagmar> Whitelisting is such a dramatic change because it's going to be rather intolerant of fail admins
11:13 < aestetix_> Dagmar: it also requires updating the whitelist
11:13 < rattle> What most customers do is have a NAC solution that controls access, and one of the compliance pre-requisites for access is to get our software on the endpoint.
11:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Updating a whitelist when one rolls out their updates to the enterprise is pretty easy
11:14 < rattle> It varies though.  There are many different deployment models.
11:14 < aestetix_> I realize this.
11:14 < aestetix_> rattle: how do you whitelist things?
11:14 < rattle> Most customers run a combination of default-deny (whitelisting) and detect-and-deny (default-allow, but with detonation of all unknown binaries upon discovery).
11:15 < aestetix_> So by binary checksum?
11:15 < rattle> Usually hash or publisher.
11:15 < rattle> But again, it's policy based..  So it's up to the customer.
11:16 < aestetix_> So that assumes all the publishers are secure?
11:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Install Comodo or something and you learn pretty quick that whitelisting can be kinda "needy" for a single-user machine
11:16 <@Dagmar> For a locked down enterprise machine, it makes total sense
11:16 < aestetix_> right
11:16 < aestetix_> This reminds me of when I worked in the NYC financial district
11:16 < rattle> aestetix_: No.  You have full control over which publishers you allow and don't.
11:17 < aestetix_> If you accessed a website that wasn't on the approved list, it would send all kinds of alarm signals
11:17 < rattle> We provide reputation scores for publishers and files..  But again, it's up to the customers if they approved based on that or if it's just informative.
11:18 < rattle> And again, it's all policy based..  So you can have some policies that will allow reputation approvals and others that don't.
11:19 < aestetix_> rattle: if I see you next week I may grill you on this stuff :)
11:19 < rattle> So you can completely lock down a domain controller or a POS terminal strictly by known approved hashes..  But have desktops that allow software from high reputation publishers to install/run.
11:19 < rattle> bit9.com .. watch pretty videos.
11:19 < aestetix_> heh
11:19 < aestetix_> sigh
11:19 < aestetix_> http://www.wired.com/2014/09/money-pouring-tech-like-1999and-thats-good/
11:20 < rattle> We've also got a solution that records and beams back in real-time all file modifications, registry modifications, keeps copies of all executables, tracks when they execute, tracks network connections, etc..  Complete real-time monitoring of forensics data.
11:20 < aestetix_> Registry? So it's windows based?
11:20 < rattle> Windows, Mac, Linux
11:21 < aestetix_> How does it work in linux? Is it a kernel module?
11:21 <@Dagmar> Oh sweet I didn't know you'd gotten to LInux yet
11:21 < aestetix_> Why would I use it over SELinux?
11:21 <@Dagmar> because SElinux is a different type of thing.
11:21 < rattle> Yeah.  For smaller deployments (sub-1000) we only support stock CentOS and RHEL.  But if you've got more than that, we do a managed services thing for your kernel builds.
11:21 <@Dagmar> It also assigns labels based on filespec
11:22 <@Dagmar> You can be allowed to invoke /usr/bin/fortune, but it doesn't care _what_ /usr/bin/fortune actually is.
11:22 < rattle> The linux stuff is changing though.  We really want to open source the linux sensors?
11:23 < aestetix_> Oh, you work with Fireeye?
11:23 <@Dagmar> /usr/bin/fortune could actually be a renamed t0rn rootkit, and unless those policies dictate /usr/bin/fortune is only allowed to read it's db of fortunes and write to stdout, you just lost the game.
11:23 < rattle> and PaloAlto, CheckPoint, Fedlis, etc..
11:24 < aestetix_> rattle: one of my friends is one of the lead malware reversers at fireeye, that's why I asked
11:24 < rattle> And more on the way.
11:24 < rattle> We can also check every hash on your network against VirusTotal.
11:24 < rattle> And detect anything communicating with a Tor node.
11:24 <@Dagmar> rattle: Hehe... so you can tell if a customer has a file that has ever been in Wilpig's possession?  Cool.
11:24 < rattle> And any binaries in the NVD database present on your network.
11:24 < rattle> And any network connections to china, russia, or other places you define..
11:26 < rattle> We also integrate with third-party threat intelligence vendors/platforms like iSight and ThreatConnect.
11:26 < rattle> MDL/abuse.ch, etc..
11:28 < rattle> Oh yeah, and we can network isolate a host with one button-click, as well as be able to pop a remote shell to do immediate remediation or forensic data collection.
11:28  * rattle drops mic.
11:28  * aestetix_ ejaculates
11:29 < rattle> Oh yeah, should be obvious..  But real-time ban/kill of any process too.
11:35 <@shapr> good morning?
11:36 <@Dagmar> I disagree.
11:37 < aestetix_> http://www.wired.com/2014/09/money-pouring-tech-like-1999and-thats-good/
11:37 < aestetix_> anyone wanna start a company?
11:37 <@shapr> me?
11:39 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: don't do it.  he'll just hop around your office all day creeping everyone out with his constant hopping and smiling
11:40 < aestetix_> and saying the magic word
11:40 <@shapr> VAINA
11:40 <@shapr> supposedly I'm already starting two companies
11:40 <@shapr> I may not have time for more.
11:42 < aestetix_> just make up some random shit and throw together a javascript widget
11:42 < aestetix_> we can get a few million for it
11:42 <@shapr> I do have a coupla decent ideas.
11:43 <@shapr> and prototypes that were working at some point
11:43 < aestetix_> Like an app that lets you send pictures of your poo to people with no return address?
11:43 <@shapr> um, no
11:44 <@oddball> Bah... apparently Boscos is dead.
11:44 <@shapr> personal reddit that grabs keywords from your browser traffic and uses machine learning to find related search results you might enjoy
11:45 <@shapr> Also, a research paper annotation tool that encourages collaboration and note sharing, social network style
11:45 <@Wilpig_> oddball: I just saw that.  that's a shame, they had good pizza
11:45 <@Dolemite> oddball: In Middle TN, at least.  They still have a location in Memphis and one in Little Rock.
11:46 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah... but that means I'll probably never have their cheese fries ever again.
11:47 <@Dolemite> Blame it on Gwyneth Paltrow.  She kept lauding about Hillsboro Village as such an awesome boutique shopping area that all the hipsters decided to buy their $500 jeans there.
11:47 <@Dolemite> Now everybody is tearing down real old buildings to make fake old buildings where they can sell $500 jeans.
11:48 <@Wilpig_> damn hipsters
11:48 <@Dolemite> I wouldn't be surprised to see them add a Knoxville location.  The craft beer scene is just now starting to explode up here and there still aren't enough places.
11:48 <@Dolemite> BURN THEM!
11:48 <@Dagmar> Well, the villager and Bookman are basically the only "old" buildings that have been there for awhile
11:48 <@Dagmar> Even FIdo was rebuilt in the 80's
11:48 <@Dagmar> It was a pet store then.
11:48 <@Dolemite> How old is the Belcourt Theater?
11:49 <@Wilpig_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LTLuzkqpZc
11:49 <@Dagmar> THey had a grey parrot that liked to eat earrings
11:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Watsky- Kill a Hipster ft. Chinaka Hodge [Cardboard Castles] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:49 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: they used to have the dates on the theaters at one point
11:49 <@Dagmar> I *suspect* the Belcourt was renovated at one point, but I don't know personally of it being rebuilt
11:49 <@Wilpig_> 1925
11:49 <@Wilpig_> http://www.belcourt.org/about/history
11:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: History | Mission | About | Welcome to the Belcourt Theatre - Nashville's non-profit venue for film, music & events (at www.belcourt.org)
11:49 <@oddball> Renovated and "new building" two different things.
11:50 <@Dolemite> ok, time to grab some lunch
11:50 <@oddball> And yeah... apparently they're building a fucking high rise right next to where Boscos was?
11:50 <@Dagmar> It's internal stuff is too modern to be original
11:50 <@Dagmar> The wiring, for instance, would _absolutely_ have to have been replaced
11:51 <@oddball> Because... you know... traffic didn't already suck there and parking wasn't already non-existent.
11:51 <@Dagmar> Oh I suspect it'll have it's own parking
11:51 <@Wilpig_> parking always sucked for boscos and all that shit in there
11:52 <@Wilpig_> that back lot seemed like it was eternally full no matter the time of day
11:52 <@oddball> Yeah... pretty much.
11:53 <@oddball> Which was part of why when a few of my friends wanted to meet at Fido's instead of Bongo's, my response was always "what... seriously?"
11:55 <@oddball> The truly crazy one that I used to date lived in one of the houses across the street from Sunset Grill.  The owner of Sunset kept pestering her parents to sell the house to him so he could turn it into a parking lot.
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12:23 < aestetix_> Apaprently there is a new version of Occupy happening in NYC right now
12:23 < aestetix_> Flood Wall Street?
12:24 < aestetix_> http://www.ustream.tv/stopmotionsolo
12:28 < RangerZ|Laptop2> well it won't really start
12:28 < RangerZ|Laptop2> b/c they have banned public gatherings, and speech like that
12:28 < RangerZ|Laptop2> lol
12:29 <@Dagmar> othing to do now but wait for the macings
12:29 < RangerZ|Laptop2> unless it is to oppose women's health clinics
12:29 < aestetix_> I wonder if it will go differently now that Bloomberg is gone
12:30 < aestetix_> There are a fuckton of people there
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop2> probably not, NYC mayor has a lot of power, but wall st has more
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop2> lol
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop2> off to work, later
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12:32 <@Dagmar> What are they protesting, exactly?
12:32 < aestetix_> That's what I'm trying to figue out
12:34 < aestetix_> oh god they are doing a mike check
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12:35 < aestetix_> good thing they all have their iphone 6s
12:35 <@Dagmar> So it's good to see that theyr'e staying inside their playpens
12:36 < aestetix_> http://floodwallstreet.net/
12:38 <@Dagmar> THis is one of the reaons I've not been particularly concerned about where to get another Kymco
12:38 <@Dagmar> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-KYMCO-AGILITY-125-SCOOTER-NEW-USA-SHIPPING-HALF-PRICE-/201175583540
12:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2013 Kymco Agility 125 Scooter "New" USA Shipping Half Price | eBay (at www.ebay.com)
12:38 <@Dagmar> THat's last year's model, brand new, for easily under $1,000
12:39 <@Dagmar> Believe me I've spent a lot of time questioning why I panicked and paid $2,700 for the first one
12:40 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: This seems like a protest for people who just want to get out and protest something
12:40 < aestetix_> You know how this could have been really interesting?
12:40 <@Dagmar> Their platform is fairly damn vague
12:40 < aestetix_> If they had each brought a gallon of water and dumped it into wall street
12:42 <@Corydon76> Perhaps they're planning on flooding it with deadly sarin gas.
12:42 <@Corydon76> If they are, kudos to them for first bringing out all the most gullible, first.
12:45 < rattle> Greaaaaat..  My IRC traffic is setting off SOC alerts now.
12:45 < rattle> http://i.imgur.com/8cw0jdd.png
12:46 < rattle> Are there any freenode servers that accept SSL connections?  :)
12:46 <@brimstone> the one i'm on
12:46 <@brimstone> rattle: leguin.freenode.net/7000,kornbluth.freenode.net/7000,rajaniemi.freenode.net/7000
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12:53 < rattle> My SOC team is too good.  :)
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13:24 <@Dagmar> Okay... So the takeaway from The Stanley Parable Demo is that I'd be paying $24 to be trolled.
13:24 <@Dagmar> So far..
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13:25 < aestetix_> hahaha
13:25 < aestetix_> That game was great though
13:30 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tf6BS9B2pY&list=UU6-ymYjG0SU0jUWnWh9ZzEQ&index=21
13:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Do Humans Operate Like Computers? (Kant) - 8-Bit Philosophy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:32 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: does dban do one disk at a time or concurrent?
13:35 <@Dagmar> No idea.  I've never bothered to wait for it.
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14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: how are your sundays? you free?
14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.girldevelopit.com/
14:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Girl Develop It -- Learn to Code (at www.girldevelopit.com)
14:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> if they don't let you go, its sexual discrimination, and you can get a nice monetary compensation, lol
14:12 <@Wilpig_> just a question but ... there is all this women in tech shit..  where is the women in engineering/mechanics type shit?
14:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is
14:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> and has been for years
14:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> Women Society of Engineers, in particular
14:13 <@Wilpig_> I just don't see a big push to have some woman in teh garage rebuilding anything
14:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> it won't
14:13 <@shapr> yay hardware projects!
14:14 <@Wilpig_> but they are pushing for them to be in coding, etc?
14:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c there is mostly males there
14:14 <@Wilpig_> why not push for the physical end of shit, surely there are some with an apitude for it
14:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and people think that women and men are suppose to be equal
14:14 <@Wilpig_> go out and poll every garage in nashville and tell me the male:female ratio
14:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and coding makes more money, and are visible
14:15 <@Wilpig_> excluding office/clerical positions
14:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> no one gives a rats ass about people who work in a data center
14:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
14:16 <@Wilpig_> I didn't say shit about data center, I said garage
14:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> with grease and shit
14:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
14:18 <@Wilpig_> this whole coding/tech push is about saying they can do it, not whether or not they're apt to do it.  if there isn't an equal push for shitty male dominated professions then these people are full of shit and should be in politics, not tech
14:27 < aestetix_>  Wilpig_ like construction?
14:27 <@Wilpig_> construction if you count the actual construction part and not the design/planning aspects
14:27 <@Wilpig_> again those are _cushy_ indoors jobs
14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: also, IT/CS make a lot more money than those jobs, and they are visible
14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they make the person donating feel better
14:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> so its easier to fund raise
14:29 <@Wilpig_> then these campaigns aren't about empowering women to do shit.  they're purely PR stunts and should be mocked
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> they are
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> but there is no money to fund females' interest in math/science in middle school
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> where it matters
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> its all....almost all... just stop gap measures
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> I taught 8~14 year old boys and girls programming at a summer camp, and there was no difference in ability
14:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> or interest
14:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> (mind you these were relatively rich kids)
14:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still, I think we need to focus on 6th ~10th grade or so, and promote girls not entering the 'declining interest in math/science' phase they do now
14:36 <@Wilpig_> and thats a clear and notable goal that isn't relying on nonsense women only anything events
14:37 < notlarry> RangerZ|Laptop: I'm behind you on the focusing on 6th ~10th grade...
14:37 <@Dagmar> [5~https://twitter.com/Fallenbot/status/512627909023248384/photo/1
14:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: nick on Twitter: "I tried using the new IOS 8 feature WAVE where you can charge your phone with a microwave, does not work @Apple http://t.co/IWsWnVboUl" (at twitter.com)
14:37 <@SuMo_D> so glad that you can understand what women need in their communities...
14:38 <@Wilpig_> SuMo_D: more mechanics.  I agree
14:38 <@SuMo_D> totally
14:38 <@SuMo_D> and more of all sorts of trades
14:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> but those fields fall under (generally) a non-being intimidated/told that 'math/science are boys subjects'
14:40 <@Mirage_> Wilpig_: not sure how long they've been out, but yesterday I discovered "Maple Bacon" Kettle chips at the local Kroger.   Tasty
14:40 <@Wilpig_> that does sound tasty
14:40 <@Wilpig_> We don't have kroger up here, but i'll check stop and shop
14:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> kroger is going to stop allowing guns in its stores soon too
14:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> that aught to just make oddbal just thrilled, lol
14:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> so ... question...
14:45 <@Corydon76> I honestly would be surprised if they did
14:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_:  you might know since you're taking online classes, etc...
14:46 <@Wilpig_> after all that money they dumped into advertising, are they able to sell wine in the grocery now?
14:46 <@Wilpig_> or did that get shot down
14:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> Anyone know of a good online course on basic linux usage, like command prompt ssh uage, etc
14:46 <@Corydon76> Most retailers don't want to get involved at all on that.  If it's not directly related to their business, they don't want to get involved.
14:46 <@Corydon76> Wilpig_: it'll be 2-3 years before we see the first bottle
14:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> I want to suggest one to a friend, and she's pretty lacking in those kinds of computer skills, etc.
14:47 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: is she cute?
14:47 <@Corydon76> The existing industry put enough roadblocks in the way that it'll take several years for the first supermarket to even obtain a license to do it
14:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: yes
14:48 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: have you suggested osmosis to her?
14:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> but she lives near aestetix_ and is seeing a S.O. now (i think its a guy this time)
14:49 <@Corydon76> RangerZ|Laptop: I'd suggest the "Unix in a Nutshell" book from O'Reilly as a good thing to have.
14:49 <@Corydon76> The big thing that helps people learning is having something that doesn't depend upon the computer functioning properly in order to find information
14:50 <@Corydon76> I believe there's now a "Linux in a Nutshell" version, which removes all the crap about Solaris, HP/UX, and AIX
14:50 <@Wilpig_> honestly for me the biggest thing to learning something is the need to learn it
14:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> now, its more about the unix tools, rather than knowing how to build kernel, etc
14:50 <@Wilpig_> need / desire.  need gets done
14:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c she'll likely be on a mac anyways
14:51 <@Corydon76> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596154493.do
14:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Linux in a Nutshell, 6th Edition - (at shop.oreilly.com)
14:51 <@Corydon76> Discount code DSUG is good for 30% off
14:51 <@Corydon76> Increases to 35% off if she buys two titles
14:51 <@Wilpig_> as much as I hate iphones... the fuckers got something cool.  http://www.flir.com/flirone/
14:52 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: nope
14:52 < aestetix_> I take classes for things I don't already know ;)
14:52 <@Wilpig_> my boss showed me this today.  $350 for a flir.  that's a damn good deal, if anyone is looking for a heat camera
14:52 < aestetix_> who lives near me
14:52 < aestetix_> a she who is cute. I need contact info
14:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> my friend
14:52 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_ still offer to teach her through osmosis
14:53 <@Wilpig_> s/still/will/
14:53 <@opticron> Wilpig_, one of the guys here got a FLIR One
14:53 <@opticron> it's pretty neat
14:53 <@Wilpig_> I was playing with it at lunch I was impressed
14:53 <@Wilpig_> the downside is the ideal range for it is 3'
14:53 <@opticron> I just wish they had made it less an iphone case and more a generic phone attachment that worked over wifi or BT
14:54 < aestetix_> you were playing with osmosis?
14:54 <@Wilpig_> opticron: no shit!  I wanted something tha twould work with my phone
14:54 <@opticron> if I owned a house, I'd have something like that
14:54 <@Wilpig_> my boss was also miffed that it doesn't support passthrough charging
14:54 <@opticron> they also make <$1k handheld units
14:54 <@opticron> and some of the handheld ones can be used like USB webcams
14:57 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: you have a friend in the bay area who wants to learn linux?
14:58 <@opticron> we got a FLIR E8 at work for failure analysis
15:00 <@Wilpig_> http://www.amazon.com/FLIR-E8-Compact-Thermal-Resolution/dp/B00FKDH38E
15:00 <@Wilpig_> the fun I could have with a thermal imager at home.  heh
15:01 <@Mirage_> Wilpig_: new way of rating your pr0n?
15:01 <@Wilpig_> hahaha
15:02 <@opticron> the E8 can be had at around half that refurb
15:02 <@opticron> also, http://hackaday.com/2013/11/04/manufacturer-crippled-flir-e4-thermal-camera-hacked-to-perform-as-high-end-model/
15:03 <@Mirage_> Wilpig_: Found this place for lunch.   Very tasty. http://www.downtownphilly.net/
15:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home (at www.downtownphilly.net)
15:03 <@Wilpig_> opticron: nice
15:04 <@Wilpig_> that fish looks tasty
15:04 <@Mirage_> Need to get a t-shirt from there for Corydon76..the slogan on the back is 'The best 10" you'll ever put in your mouth."
15:04 <@Wilpig_> my lunch options around here are pretty limited
15:06 <@Wilpig_> lol
15:08 <@Mirage_> oops.. 'Best 10" you've ever had in your mouth'.. http://s3.amazonaws.com/foodspotting-ec2/reviews/3337256/thumb_600.jpg?1364428582
15:08 <@Mirage_> Either way, Corydon76 needs a shirt
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15:15 <@shapr> SHOW OFF THOSE ABS!
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15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok... that was weird
15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> screen just froze, but streaming music worked, and everything
15:19 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: solar flares
15:20 < aestetix_> I just heard a really sad story of the government from my friend
15:21 < aestetix_> Famous software package was written by person A. Government subcontractor needed to make modifications to software package, so they contacted my friend.
15:21 < aestetix_> My friend happens to know person A, and sent the subcontractor his resume.
15:21 < aestetix_> Subcontractor rejected him because he doesn't have a bachelors degree.
15:21 < aestetix_> So yes. Even though he wrote the fucking software they wanted to edit, they deemed him unqualified.
15:22 <@Wilpig_> add subroutine to software.  if(subcontractor){die!}
15:22 < aestetix_> lol
15:23 <@Wilpig_> submit patch, for free
15:33 <@Dagmar> Oooh
15:33 <@Dagmar> http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-bluetooth-headsets/Moto-Hint/moto-hint-pdp.html?utm_campaign=af-social-media&utm_medium=social&utm_source=googleplus
15:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Moto Hint (at www.motorola.com)
15:34 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: don't do it.  look at the picture of the dude wearing it.  something just wrong there
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I'm all for continuing education, and college, etc... but thats fucking stupid
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats HR being stupid
15:36 <@Dagmar> But... but... it comes in multiple shades of black!
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: but not as black as your soul
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... not black enough
15:37 <@Dagmar> I don't need it to absorb all light
15:38 <@Wilpig_> we all know Dagmar is hiding a rainbow center.  
15:38 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: yep
15:39 <@Mirage> My aunt is the director for her dept and is very much for experience vs education.   Apparently she had it out with their HR a few times and they no longer give her problems when hiring someone with a solid background but doesn't meet the educational requirement.
15:39 < aestetix_> It's not even experience v education
15:39 < aestetix_> He WROTE the software they want to edit.
15:39 <@Dagmar> Rage, Obstinacy, Yelling, Grimness, Bitterness, Indignation, and Violence
15:41 < aestetix_> I mean, what's the fucking point of having HR if they are this clueless?
15:41 <@Dagmar> Standardization
15:41 < aestetix_> Or maybe that's just what happens with a massive company
15:41 <@Mirage> aestetix_: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that by having written the software he wants, he demonstrated that he HAS the experience even if he doesn't have the education
15:41 < aestetix_> Mirage: heresy!
15:41 <@Dagmar> I'd push back on a rejection like that
15:41 < aestetix_> My friend did push back. They did not relent.
15:42 <@Dagmar> It would be nearly impossible to do better than the author of the code
15:42 <@Mirage> I'd charge them more for licensing than they would have paid for the job.
15:42 < aestetix_> He was using this example to make the point that the government does not follow logic.
15:42 < aestetix_> Apparently it's one of many examples he has :/
15:42 <@Mirage> who in their right mind thinks that the gov't operates on logic?
15:43 <@Mirage> we used to have the state gov't opt for a $2000+ repair vs an $800 replacement because they had already used the budget for new stuff, but still had balance in the repairs budget.
15:44 <@Mirage> unfortunately, the reality of gov't as we know it is that a logical gov't is a failed gov't
15:45 <@Dagmar> http://mashable.com/2014/09/05/motorola-moto-hint/ <-- read this and tell me your pants still fit properly
15:46 <@shapr> huh, nifty
15:46 <@Mirage> It probably also increases your chances of being improperly labeled mentally unstable hile walking around in public talking on the phone
15:47 <@Dagmar> "improperly"
15:49 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E38IMXjOlpY
15:51 < aestetix_> praise allah
15:52 <@Dagmar> What the fuck silliness is this
15:52 <@Dagmar> 30,000 men equals 260 horsepower?
15:52 < aestetix_> It gets better
15:53 <@shapr> look at the birthday present I bought myself! https://twitter.com/shapr/status/514135525574598656
15:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shae Erisson ☠ on Twitter: "Remington Rand UNIVAC lighter from 1955, my birthday present to myself. http://t.co/YTkrNk9X8b" (at twitter.com)
15:53 <@Dagmar> Keeping three Egyptian women happy says he's good at something, that's for sure
15:53 < aestetix_> I need to watch this while stoned
15:54 <@Dagmar> These people are incredibly full of shit
15:54 <@Dagmar> ...and this HInt earbud needs to start hitting the refurb channels, very soon
15:56 < aestetix_> When they are about to call him on his bullshit, he just says "praise allah" and they go "oh praise allah!"
15:58 <@Dagmar> Fuck Allah
15:58 <@Dagmar> Fuck Allah!
15:58 <@Dagmar> ...and just in case i've not gotten things quite right, fuck Mohammad, too.
16:00 <@Mirage> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson/article/Buddha-seems-to-bring-tranquillity-to-Oakland-5757592.php
16:00 < aestetix_> Dagmar: can you bend coins with your bare hands?
16:01 <@Mirage> aestetix_: Dagmar just has to glare at the m menacingly.
16:03 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Apparently I can.
16:06 <@Mirage> hehe..this remonds me of Dolemite's commentary about trips to SE Asia back in his Sun days: "If nothing else, Buddha and I share the same body type - short, squat and happy. I sat there for a moment thinking that I might resemble him - and maybe that's why they seemed to like me."
16:07 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: that isn't the se asia story I told the gubment lady that came to interview us about him
16:07 <@Wilpig_> mine involved child brides and suitcases
16:07 <@Mirage> and the "4 floor of whores"?
16:08 <@Mirage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchard_Towers
16:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Orchard Towers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
16:08 <@Dagmar> Perfectly harmless karaoke bar
16:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> [Scott Douglas Wallace, age 38, 5’10”, 250 lbs. He may be driving a 2001, white, Chevrolet Venture with Ohio tag GES7128 ]  the guy who tried to abduct the girl off of campus
16:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> for anyone in 615 who might see it
16:11 <@Dagmar> http://openpasts.com/PublicRecord/SCOTT-WALLACE/2030461030899 <-- this guy?
16:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Scott Douglas Wallaces Record Polk County, FL - 7/22/2012 (at openpasts.com)
16:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> forwarded you the email, it has pics
16:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I don't think so
16:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> 100lb difference and different facial structure it looks like
16:14 <@Dagmar> That guy is the right age
16:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe, not sure
16:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> hmm, might be him, hard to tell from this angle/crap video surveillance recording
16:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> and he's just a "person of interest"
16:21 <@Dagmar> Only of interest?
16:21 <@Dagmar> pfft
16:22 <@Wilpig_> leave it to some people in nashville and i'll be a person of interest
16:23 <@Wilpig_> free game
16:23 <@Wilpig_> https://www.humblebundle.com/store?free&utm_source=Humble+Bundle+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f9bf5d4243-Humble_Store_End_of_Summer_Sale&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_990b1b6399-f9bf5d4243-95879629
16:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Humble Store: Great games. Fantastic prices. Support charity. (at www.humblebundle.com)
16:30 < aestetix_> praise allah
16:30 <@Mirage> lol..Goat Simulator.
16:36 < aestetix_> you know what I love?
16:36 < aestetix_> rain. thunder. clouds.
16:36 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: you mock the goat simulator but that fucker sold a shitload of copies
16:37 <@eryc> does this give me steam keys for goatsim?
16:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> eryc: yeah
16:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> humble bundle almost always has that option
16:37 <@eryc> totally getting it
16:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless its an android game,e c
16:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc*
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16:38 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: many of the android games have steam counterparts now days too
16:38 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: I also mocked "Redneck Rampage", but took great enjoyment in discovering that there was cow tipping in the game.
16:38 <@Wilpig_> I miss redneck rampage
16:38 <@Wilpig_> the tittie gun was so much fun
16:39 <@eryc> goatsim purchased
16:42 <@shapr> yay?
16:42 <@eryc> wtf steam your captcha is impossible
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16:46 <@eryc> seems to be a common issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xYQ4Tivdc
16:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Damn You CAPTCHA! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:48 <@eryc> ah, helps if i use the right password
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16:53 < aestetix_> penis
16:59 < notlarry> Lesson learned.  Always factory reset a shady craigslist deal phone before browsing for background images.
17:00 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_ called it
17:00 <@Wilpig_> ?
17:01 <@Wilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvxarevvokxfypn/Screen%20Shot%202014-09-22%20at%204.59.50%20PM.png?dl=0
17:01 <@Wilpig_> just claimed tropico from that link to my steam account
17:01 <@eryc> me too
17:02 <@Wilpig_> notlarry: you at work?
17:03 <@eryc> i wonder if i should get southpark SOT
17:03 <@Wilpig_> eryc: I enjoyed the hell out of it
17:05 <@eryc> how about Anno 2070?
17:05 <@Wilpig_> it isn't bad.  slow, very slow paced
17:06 <@eryc> meh
17:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> its a good 4X game
17:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you like to take a lot of time thinking about building placement
17:08 <@eryc> 4X?
17:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> very heavy in the sim city more than just 4X
17:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X
17:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: 4X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
17:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> like civilization
17:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> 4X is a genre of strategy-based video and board games in which players control an empire and "eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, and eXterminate"
17:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> its more sim city, with gunboats
17:09 <@eryc> ah
17:10 <@Wilpig_> and submarines!
17:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
17:10 <@Wilpig_> it really isn't a bad game just very slow paced.
17:15 < aestetix_> You know
17:15 < aestetix_> I still don't undetstand the logic of shaving off your eyebrows so you can draw them back on
17:15 <@eryc> i got mine tatted
17:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: "beauty"
17:16 < aestetix_> I don't think eyebrows are going to determine if I want to fuck you
17:16 <@eryc> i knew a girl that had hers tattooed on
17:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> why do people pierce themselves
17:16 < aestetix_> Unless you're a unibrow
17:16 <@eryc> it looked horrendous
17:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: you'd be REALLY surprised
17:16 < aestetix_> ALthough if you're a unibrow I c an just flip you over
17:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> people without eyebrows look pretty fucking weird
17:16 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I said shaving them off and drawing them back on
17:16 < aestetix_> That implies there were originally eyebrows there
17:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> to get a better shape
17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> it 'makes sense' , its just _stupid_ to us
17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
17:17 < aestetix_> It's not stupid, it's illogical
17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> same thing
17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is logic to it
17:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> just you don't 'get it'
17:18 < aestetix_> Please explain the logic then.
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> the girl (or guy?) doesn't like the shape of their eyebrows
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they are 'improving it' for looks
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats all
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> no deep logic/meaning to it
17:18 < aestetix_> What is the effect they hope to gain out of it?
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> better shape
17:18 < aestetix_> Since they don't see their own eyebrows
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> or color
17:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> its just a "how I look" thing to them
17:18 < aestetix_> I mean do people actually walk up and say "wow I like your eyebrows, want to have sex?"
17:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, but you're over thinking it
17:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> just accept that some people have the desire, and waste their time (to us) and do it
17:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> no reason to really think/care about it more
17:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless you have your eyebrow shaved after a night of drinking....
17:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
17:20 < aestetix_> lol
17:20 < aestetix_> I mean at least I don't have a unibrow like Wilpig_
17:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, uniformity could be an issue
17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> my beard doesn't grow in even density, so I shave it every few month
17:22 < aestetix_> On an unrelated note
17:22 < aestetix_> https://i.imgur.com/2ISD5dB.jpg
17:22 < aestetix_> I wodner if this is legally binding
17:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> probably
17:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why they don't have those anymore
17:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> it is "opening of this product"
17:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> or something
17:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> besides, EULA might be struck down partially, when SCOTUS hears the next batch of cases, they have said/hinted/smoke signalled they want to 'address' privacy of aggregate data... and EULA will be HEAVILY impacted by that
17:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> we'll probably move more towards EU, where even if the EULA says something, you can agree to it, and not be bound by it legally if it isn't legal, but it would expand the list of 'go fuck yourself' EULA clauses , lol
17:25 < aestetix_> voteforrangerz.com
17:26 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: what is your view on abortion
17:28 <@Dagmar> Any agreement you're asked to agree to before you can reasonably read it is *non-binding*
17:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> personally, I'm against it being used as a form of birth control  (not using the pill/condoms), but I don't think we have the right to say it should be illegal (yet, and thats a much longer complicated answer, which I'll finish in a min.) because b/c of those fucked up "we don't kill babies" crap,
17:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....my mom almost died, b/c her baby was 7mo along (mind you this was a long time ago) and was already brain dead(or something, she doesn't like to talk about it, so I don't know exact medical terms, etc) and she had to give birth to the child when it was dead , b/c they wouldn't perform an "abortion"
17:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> so anyone who says "life of the mother" isn't a good reason, go fuck yourself
17:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> and that birth almost killed her
17:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> if that happened NOW, she and the baby would have been fine... but this was a long time ago
17:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still... situations like that arise
17:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> (there was just a bunch of messed up medical complications for both of them... :/ )
17:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> now... I don't think that 'viable' fetus, where the mother's life isn't at risk should be allowed to be aborted
17:32 <@Corydon76> The answer to abortion is to address all the reasons why women choose to have abortions.
17:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats when I'd consider it 'alive'
17:33 <@Corydon76> Address the cause, and you eliminate the effect
17:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> BUT... if you follow that line of thinking... then you should just go to "pro lifers" and ask them to fund basic science
17:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> "help us invent an incubator that can take a futus at any stage, and then we can outlaw abortions, b/c we can just have the mother give up the fetus"
17:34 <@Corydon76> Not science so much as social maladies
17:35 <@Corydon76> Raising the minimum wage would reduce abortion rates
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> fuck that, solve _this_ social issue with science
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c these anti-abortion assholes aren't going to give a rats ass about the child once its born
17:35 <@Corydon76> That addresses, "I can't afford to have a child right now."
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes, the incubator does
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're right
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> (thats not what you meant, i know0
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> )*
17:35 <@Corydon76> Charitable child care or government subsidies for child care addresses another reason
17:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> but, if she can give up the child, then take the fetus at 6weeks, and she doesn't have to raise it inside her
17:36 <@Corydon76> Better domestic violence prevention and women's shelters addresses women avoiding bringing a child into a violent situation
17:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> remove the "females are walking incubators" from the overall equation
17:38 <@Corydon76> You'd also need to fundamentally change some of the adoption laws for that to be viable
17:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76: you're talking all nice and all, and you're right, but none of that will really matter, b/c it won't be funded b/c we have neo-conservatives who want war  in the middle east, and think lazy-fair (yes, misspelled on purpose) economics solves everything
17:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> not really
17:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can give up parent rights before birth
17:38 <@Corydon76> Right now, DNA is treated as superior to ability to care for a child.
17:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> or after, up to 30 days IIRC
17:39 <@Corydon76> A woman who is raped cannot get her rapist to give up parental rights
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends on state
17:39 <@Corydon76> which is seriously fucked up
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> who said 'forced'
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> I never said both parties have to give up parental rights
17:39 <@Corydon76> The law does, usually
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> she can have the fetus taken out of her, and he doesn't have to
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats only a minor tweak, honestly
17:40 <@Corydon76> A judge can override the decision by one or both
17:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> so?
17:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> minor change
17:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> a change to a law = much more feasible than better social programs while we still have minorities in the country
17:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> too many poor white people vote against their own self-interests b/c they fear that the minorities or just 'other' will take what little they have left
17:42 <@Corydon76> RangerZ|Laptop: it's also worth taking the "what causes abortions?" tact to avoid taking a clear position on abortion
17:42 <@Corydon76> It's the closest we have to a compromise position
17:43 <@Corydon76> If you can eliminate all the reasons a woman might choose to have an abortion, then you eliminate all abortions, and who can disagree with that?
17:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> sure
17:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> but incubator is the easiest way to do that IMHO
17:44 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: would you advocate "pulling out" as a method of birth control?
17:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> "you don't need to get an abortion, just get the parasite taken out of you"
17:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: no, b/c thats fucking stupid, it doesn't work, pre-cum can just as easily have semen in it
17:44 <@Corydon76> The problem with that, however, is that assumes those children will have willing homes to care for them
17:45 <@Corydon76> Each state has a ton of excess kids already
17:46 <@Dagmar> Perhaps instead abortions, we can work out the new way of having children, where to people meet, smile at each other, and then an episode later their children start showing up fully-grown, having traveled backwards through time.
17:49 <@Dagmar> I thought it was a bit deus ex machina for Doctor Who, but Fire Emblem seems _rife_ with it.
17:50 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: what about anal sex?
17:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> what you and Dickie do over the next few weeks to relieve his stress, is up to you to
17:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> I don't judge
17:55 <@Dagmar> heh
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18:23 < aestetix_> Wait you think Dickie's baby could be mine?
18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> ha... yeah right
18:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> we all know he'd be the pitcher between the two of you ;)
18:27 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: have you ever met dickie's wife?
18:30 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: not yet
18:30 < aestetix_> Is she hot?
18:30 <@Wilpig_> then not a possibility.
18:30 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: no, Shadow404 is always the catcher
18:34 < aestetix_> I wonder if Corydon76 has ever given anyone a rim job
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18:35 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: you're the only one
18:43 < aestetix_> If he gave me a rim job I might fart on his tongue by accident
18:44 < aestetix_> I wonder what farts taste like.
18:47 < aestetix_> http://www.cnet.com/news/silicon-valley-talent-wars-engineers-come-get-your-250k-salary/
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> @kban #se2600 --host aestetix_ 600 Droll
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19:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> god damn i hate fucking people who put code up with NO comments
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19:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> "ohh You're going to have to copy these magic .so files to make it work on 64x linux"
19:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ugh
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19:10 < aestetix_> god fucking
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19:10 < aestetix_> http://21stcenturyburlesque.com/facebook-real-name-policy-meeting-drag-queens-performers-dottie-lux/
19:10 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you'll love this
19:12 <@Dagmar> Really?
19:12 <@Dagmar> Because so far I think it's shit
19:12 <@Dagmar> Zuckerburg can go fuck himself
19:12 <@Dagmar> He can very literally die in a fire for all I care for trash talking my integrity
19:13 < aestetix_> heh
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19:25 <@klixa> wow
19:25 <@klixa> lack of integrity for wanting an alt nick
19:25 <@Wilpig_> and the dumbass award goes to...  me! for slicing throught the tip of my finger
19:25 <@klixa> ouch
19:26 < aestetix_> yeah that's an old quote, but still a good bad one
19:26 <@Dagmar> Seriously, this is the sort of thing I could gladly consider fighting words, were the opportunity to present itself.
19:26 <@klixa> what needs to happen is a new facebook, where you can use any name you want...seriosuly why do they care
19:26 < aestetix_> You know what I don't get?
19:27 <@klixa> what harm does it pose for facebook to choose any name you want
19:27 < aestetix_> People don't bother to focus on government, where we have a say, and instead put focus on facebook, where we have no say.
19:27 <@Dagmar> Oh it gives their marketing department problems because it dilutes the value of their property
19:27 <@Dagmar> i.e., the users.
19:27 < aestetix_> klixa: it cheapens the value of their data to data brokers.
19:27 <@Dagmar> If you're a complete facist and every since account is a single, non-repeating person then you can say 10,000 views is definitely 10,000 people seeing it.
19:27 <@klixa> we need like an "open source" facebook
19:28 < aestetix_> klixa: example: if someone runs a credit check on you, the credit check place needs to get data from somewhere. The only way they really have of validating the data is by your name.
19:28 <@Dagmar> If you have no idea whether or not some of those profiles are bogus, then you can only say it was 10,000 accounts that viewed it, and have to explain it might be off by 10-15%
19:28 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that there are literally hundreds of rhousands of accounts made by shills each year just to try and game facebook likes
19:29 < aestetix_> So the criticism I brought up years ago
19:29 < aestetix_> Is that Google was pushing this stupid policy, when they had a fantastic algorithm for determining quality (pagerank)
19:29 <@klixa> i think facebook should be more closed..what i mean is i have it so i can basically m ass email my family
19:29 <@Dagmar> This sort of policy just shunts money into the hands of the morally bankrupt
19:29 <@klixa> but no one uses email anymore, its all facebook...but i dont want adds, i dont wnat profiles, likes, etc
19:30 <@klixa> i had an old facebook account... and they closed it cause i didnt submit a copy of my drivers license
19:30 <@Dagmar> I've never known of them to even ask for that
19:30 < aestetix_> I use email.
19:31 <@Dagmar> ...not unless you were trying to reclaim an account you lost both the password and contact email addres for
19:31 <@klixa> Dagmar: nope
19:31 < aestetix_> I have been at a party where a guy just assumed I had facebook, and when he wanted my info, he opened the facebook app on his phone and wanted me to enter my name
19:31 < aestetix_> I'm like "I don't use facebook" and he looked at me like I was from mars
19:31 <@Dagmar> Oh _then_ he looked at you like that, eh?
19:31 <@klixa> Dagmar: i went to log in one day and they wouldnt let me without showing them..i googled it a and found somehign about random account verification
19:31 < aestetix_> lol
19:32 <@Dagmar> I've never seen them do that
19:32 < aestetix_> Whereas with Twitter, I've actually talked in person with the director of policy.
19:32 <@Dagmar> Now might be a good time to start flooding Facebook with links to news stories about how their system utterly fails to detect fake users
19:32 <@klixa> Dagmar: http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/facebook-confirm-ID-s.jpg
19:33 <@klixa> thats what it loked like
19:33 <@klixa> http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/10/29/facebook-apologises-requesting-users-login-government-id
19:33 <@klixa> and theres an article about it
19:34 <@Dagmar> Okay, so they fucked up
19:34 <@klixa> thats their story it seems
19:34 <@klixa> i encountered that screen for oevr a week tho
19:34 <@Dagmar> I know I've got no problems with scanning my driver's licence, blacking out _all_ my personal details, and replacing the picture with one of me flipping them off.
19:34 <@Dagmar> If they accept that, then fine.
19:35 < aestetix_> You should replace it with goatse
19:36 < aestetix_> That would actually be worth it just to be able to say you goatse'd a facebook employee
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19:39 < aestetix_> I wonder if twitter would suspend my profile if I replaced my avatar with goatse
19:42 < aestetix_> You know the worst thing about facebook
19:43 < aestetix_> around here, to sound classy, people call it "The Book of Face"
19:43 < aestetix_> As in "Are you on the book of face?"
19:44 <@Shadow404> that sounds like and updated scene from office space
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20:03 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: I told her you were a trained social engineer.
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20:43 <@Dagmar> Told who what?
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20:49 <@Dagmar> Weeell... looks like the arrests have begun in New York
20:50 <@Wilpig_> I didn't do it!
20:50 < RangerZ> good, get those hippies off our otherwise perfect walls t.
20:50 < RangerZ> st.*
20:51 < RangerZ> lol
20:58 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: Joyce, a woman I went to school with.  You responded to her on something I posted
21:01 <@Dagmar> Well, let me put this in perspective, then.
21:01 <@Dagmar> ...and it's a sad, sad perspective.
21:01 <@Dagmar> One of my aunts came down with Lyme Disease two years ago
21:01 <@Dagmar> She did not know, apparently because the office that made this determination FORGOT to tell her... somehow.
21:02 <@Dagmar> She just kept getting sicker and sicker.
21:02 <@Dagmar> Lyme Disease is up there with a meth addiction for the deteriorating way it kills someone
21:02 <@Dagmar> She spent over a year going to various "alternative" and "homeopathic" doctors
21:03 <@Dagmar> Now, the _sad_ part of this was that one of the homeopathy clinics actually LOOKED at her medical file at the end of that
21:03 <@Dagmar> ...and asked her what she was taking for Lyme Disease.
21:03 <@Dagmar> She just got back from spending almost 8 months at a medical clinic in Arizona
21:04 <@Dagmar> The doctor's office that didn't tell her about the test fucked up
21:04 <@Dagmar> ...but there's a half dozen other "alternative" practitioners who didn't even look at her fucking files.
21:04 <@Dagmar> Not one shit was given about her medical history.
21:25 < RangerZ> why would they?
21:25 < RangerZ> they can't charge for 'history'
21:25 < RangerZ> only new treatments/scans/etc
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21:40 <@Dagmar> because a "real" doctor would start by familiarizing themselves with the patient's medical history
21:49 <@eryc> thanks obama
21:49 <@Dagmar> lol
21:50 < aestetix_> There's actually an interesting issue with this popping up right now
21:51 < aestetix_> The question is, if a patient owns their own medical records, can they prevent their doctor from seeing all of them?
21:51 < aestetix_> IE you go to doctor 1, then you go to doctor 2, and decide to withold some of your records for doctor 2
21:51 <@Dagmar> You probably could by why the fuck would you want to?
21:51 < aestetix_> If you have a sexual hisory you're ashamed of?
21:52 < aestetix_> I could see a woman wanting to not share that she's been raped
21:53 <@Dagmar> I fail to see anything preventing them from withholding that
21:53 < aestetix_> I'm sure there are less rational reasons
21:56 <@eryc> oh snap we just bombed syria
21:57 <@eryc> russia is gonna sanction us
21:57 <@Dagmar> did we now?
21:58 <@Dagmar> Ah it's on CNN
21:58 <@Dagmar> I see this nice map of red "Under ISIS control" areas.
21:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
21:58 <@Dagmar> Too bad we won't bomb every square inch of those areas to rubble.
21:59 < aestetix_> Well that was rich
21:59 < aestetix_> just had a meeting where I got a bunch of "new responsibilities"
21:59 < aestetix_> I didn't bother to mention it's shit I've been doing all along but nobody noticed
21:59 <@Dagmar> did you inquire as to what these new responsibilities would be valued at?
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> a smile and a hug
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but not from the hot interns
22:00 <@eryc> i started a campaign earlier this year to get a raise.. it worked
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> you only get a Bear Hug
22:02 < aestetix_> Dagmar: oh, that's in the works
22:02 < aestetix_> I had a 1.5 hour long "give me a raise" meeting last week
22:02 <@Dagmar> Good
22:03 < aestetix_> They were like "so remember, if the system goes down, we're telling support to call you"
22:03 < aestetix_> I'm like "they already do"
22:04 < aestetix_> and I ask the same fucking troubleshooting questions I always do, to determine how to route it, and support always seems to forget these questions
22:04 <@eryc> did you tell them which font to use for your name in that word doc
22:04 < aestetix_> things like "ok, the customer can't access the site. can YOU access it?"
22:04 <@eryc> maybe a nice art deco
22:05 <@Dagmar> Which font?
22:05 <@Dagmar> Use ALL the fonts.
22:05 <@Dagmar> That way they know you're a serious web developer.
22:05 < aestetix_> What's funny is they want me to be in-house more often
22:06 < aestetix_> This is funny because the vast majority of shit I do is put out fires from wakeup calls
22:06 <@eryc> never let them take away your remote worker privs
22:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, but face time is more important than going above and  beyond
22:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
22:06 < aestetix_> eryc: they can't. It's written into our contract
22:06 <@eryc> i went in to the office once last week, to use the printer and left
22:07 <@eryc> the only reason i go into the office is to be sociable and let people see my happy face
22:08 <@eryc> i just shoot the shit the whole time and help people with their projects
22:08 <@eryc> its a shame i got this really nice pc and 3 monitors for my desk there and i never use it
22:10 <@eryc> i need to take 1 of the monitors home so i have 3 here again since one fizzled out
22:10 <@eryc> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=456505421157637
22:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
22:24 <@eryc> so i have all the commands to convert gifs into facebook movies
22:24 <@eryc> think i should automate posting 1 or 2 a day?
22:24 <@Dagmar> They're arresting people for cosplaying out of season now?
22:24 <@Dagmar> Good for them!
22:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> the polar bear?
22:25 <@eryc> comiccon is only a couple weeks away
22:25 <@Dagmar> STILL ISN'T TODAY
22:26 <@eryc> well the food supply is getting limited in the north
22:26 <@eryc> probably came down for some roast pork
22:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> they were blocking some road that leads to wall st. or something
22:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> eryc: no pulled pork at PN this yera
22:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> year*
22:26 <@eryc> i want some pig cheeks
22:27 <@eryc> i've heard good things
22:27  * RangerZ|Laptop points to 2 on Wilpig_
22:27  * RangerZ|Laptop points to the other 2 on Wilpig_
22:27  * eryc lights the blowtorch
22:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm just more worried.... who told you wilpig's cheeks were good
22:28 <@eryc> how come you don't use screen
22:28 <@eryc> you should get rid of the |Laptop
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> too lazy
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually its b/c I don't keep my desktop up all the time
22:28 <@eryc> your eating up my precious bandwidth
22:28 <@eryc> its like html email all over again
22:29 <@eryc> does anyone complain about html email anymore?
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> eryc: I actually commented on this exact thing a few days ago
22:29 <@Dagmar> eryc: No, because Gmail filters it properly
22:29 <@Dagmar> heh
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> eryc: actually since disabling all email image displays... it doesn't bother me at all
22:30 <@eryc> that was a good ragefest back in the day
22:30 <@eryc> something to tell the grandkids about
22:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> my friend was the one who found the "feature" in thunderbird which allowed you to 'force' an ack reply to a an email opening by putting a header in the email...
22:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... that bug report was taken care of quick
22:31 <@eryc> "there once was a time when are skwawky-talky modems were so shitty people actually complained about html eating up their bandwidth"
22:31 <@eryc> nice
22:31 <@eryc> our*
22:32 <@eryc> i think those ribs i ate are getting to me
22:32 <@Wilpig_> as they should since you didn't offer to share
22:32 <@Wilpig_> ass
22:32 <@eryc> squawky
22:33 <@eryc> i should take a nap
22:37 <@eryc> http://forgifs.com/gallery/v/Funny/Ice-bucket-challenge-bike.gif.html
22:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ice-bucket-challenge-bike (at forgifs.com)
22:37 <@eryc> http://forgifs.com/gallery/v/Funny/Microphone-swallow.gif.html
22:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Microphone-swallow (at forgifs.com)
22:41 <@eryc> whoa this is cool
22:41 <@eryc> http://forgifs.com/gallery/v/Cool/Water-projector-stop-sign.gif.html
22:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Water-projector-stop-sign (at forgifs.com)
22:41 <@Dagmar> That looked uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as it probebly might have been.
22:42 <@Dagmar> Haircuts aside, someone's a lucky man
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22:45 <@eryc> i like how this guy just sits there http://i.imgur.com/MKKxR6K.gif
22:45 <@eryc> i've moved on to reddit gifs
22:45 <@eryc> cultivating my sources
22:46 <@Dagmar> That right there is why students should be allowed to take cameraphones everywhere
22:48 <@eryc> this one confuses my brain http://giant.gfycat.com/RashAffectionateAmericancrocodile.gif
22:49 <@eryc> the shot was filmed normally and flipped in post to achieve the mirror image. The actual bathroom mirror was replaced with a bluescreen into which the original shot was superimposed.
22:51 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: have you met my brother?  https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1891299_10203690723366636_6449983611906435932_n.jpg?oh=f32e5ece07b773fa1c35c472f0774409&oe=54C0CFD6&__gda__=1421836777_b62b1e452252af7e493e689075fe5350
22:51 <@Dagmar> eryc: Oh wow.  That *is* a subtle little mindfuck
22:58 <@eryc> Wilpig_: is he in the NFL?
23:08 <@Wilpig_> :P
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23:31 <@eryc> its fall yo
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