--- Log opened Sat Sep 20 00:00:52 2014
00:27 <@Wilpig> neat!  http://www.graphicalnetworkmonitor.com/screenshots/
00:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Screenshots - Graphical Network Monitor (at www.graphicalnetworkmonitor.com)
00:55 < aestetix_> penis
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02:00 < aestetix_> god I wish I had chef fully working
02:01 < aestetix_> I have 14 servers to update with a config file change. It's going to take almost an hour, instead of a few minutes
02:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> chef's biggest problem is that its ruby
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually from what I've seen its meta-language is pretty much the same as puppet
02:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> different naming schemes, but generally same ideas
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02:25 < aestetix_> yeah they are both ruby
02:26  * aestetix_ is tired of dealing with people who think they are brilliant because they passed ruby 101
02:46 < RangerZ> a deep deep part of me wishes you were kidding
02:46 < RangerZ> umm... DSL are NOT simple
02:47 < RangerZ> especially when you start trying to understand meta-DSL
02:47 < RangerZ> I swear to god... one of the most confusing classes I've ever taken was teaching GME a tool that ISIS makes (no beheading is ...generally... involved) that allows you to create your own DSL and tools
02:48 < RangerZ> right now... I'm working on a project where there is a DSL, and meta langauges up to (meta^4~5-Lanague) I've actually lost count
02:49 < RangerZ> and let me be more precise... using a DSL isn't by definition hard...
02:49 < RangerZ> Making an effective DSL can be quite challenging,
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03:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORTSMerAEhI i guess it _can_ be genetic?  lol
03:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Teen Comes Out Only To Learn His Mom Is A Lesbian - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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03:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> also... I need to setup a MFing little server box to ssh into for chat instead of having pidgin on everything...
03:28 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: you know much about SSL/HSTS?
03:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> in what way?
03:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> i know how to manually do the math, etc, if thats what you mean
03:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> its actually quite "simple"
03:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> HSTS is just a declaration of "get of my lawn unless you are using SSL" right?
03:36 < aestetix_> ugh
03:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> what in particular were you interested about?
03:36 < aestetix_> I tried to enable some HSTS stuff, it broke my non https parts of the site, and when I reverted the config it remained broken
03:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh , "implementation" ... nah... I got nothing
03:36 < aestetix_> I am not so happy with it right now
03:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've felt for a long time that the way we control webpages/content is very much lacking
03:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I just realized why... we don't use DSL and interpreters for controlling access
03:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c honestly, turning on HSTS should have just been a flip of a variable in the model of your server
03:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then de-flipping the switch would have turned it off
03:39 < aestetix_> ok I got it working
03:39 < aestetix_> whew
03:39 < aestetix_> that was not fun
03:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> hmmmm... I'll have to think about that...
03:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus then you could easily insert "replace all images with appropriate resize of lemonparty= true" at the root
03:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> and have FUN with a site
03:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:49 < aestetix_> and this is why I do system maintenance at night
03:49 < aestetix_> if I had done that in the day, I would have gotten several angry phone calls
03:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> umm
03:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> why are pulling a nuub move of developing and testing on a LIVE site?
03:51 < aestetix_> I actually tested a bunch on staging
03:51 < aestetix_> And things worked fine.
03:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> didn't we discuss this in depth a little while ago...
03:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh, yeah... that sucks
03:51 < aestetix_> However due to a number of things staging's SSL setup is slightly different
03:52 < aestetix_> That said, I'm not entirely sure how our config was working before.
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh the wonders of webservers
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> "magic blue smoke" is a legit reason why they work
03:52 < aestetix_> the issue was that port 80 was breaking because it wasn't SSL traffic
03:53 < aestetix_> I had to explicitly specify "ssl off" to fix it
03:53 < aestetix_> Which makes sense. But it does not make sense why it was working before.
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05:07 < aestetix_> oh oakland
05:07 < aestetix_> the night ghetto music drive-bys
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07:18 < aestetix_> ugh
07:18 < aestetix_> there is a hipie playing a banjo outside my window
07:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQF1uKuPJAI
07:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Barney Frank: Marijuana Legalization Will Follow in Gay Marriages Footsteps - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
07:35 <@Shadow404> oh yeah, cause that makes sense
07:35 <@Shadow404> i bet Corydon76_ just made plans to move to colorado or california just now
07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> not his point
07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> his point is that Shadow404 likes both in his mouth
07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> see... makes sense
07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
07:39 <@Shadow404> heh
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07:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... I came home and fell asleep at 3pm...
07:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> woke  up at 10pm
07:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> there goes my fucking sleep schedule :/
07:45 < aestetix_> god I hate hippies
07:45 < aestetix_> The only thing worse than a hippie is a millennial hippie
07:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> but aren't you one?
07:45 < aestetix_> no
07:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> i dunno... We've all seen the pictures of you out there with flowers in your hair
07:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> they were marijuana flowers
07:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still
07:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> and... you WERE thinking of doing a rain dance...
07:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehehe
07:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> (maybe to grow the rest of the plant from the flower in your head....)
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09:06 <@Dagmar> lol
09:06 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4
09:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: "The Mess Were In" by Joe Armstrong - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:06 <@Dagmar> Quaint little ancient programmer
09:08 <@Dagmar> "In the lsat 40 years we have written billions of lines of code that will keep programmers employed for trillions of man hours in the next few thousand years to clean up the mess we've made"
09:08 <@Dagmar> hehehhe
09:23 < aestetix_> Is that the same Joe Armstrong who made Erlang?
09:24 <@Dagmar> Considering the number of times he mentions erlang, that's very possible
09:24 < aestetix_> heh
09:24 <@Dagmar> Also, unlike all the rest of the erlang programmers on the planet, he's not touting it as the solution to all society's ills.
09:40 <@brimstone> Hello Joe
09:40 <@brimstone> totes is
09:44 <@brimstone> holy crap, he's on twitter, @joeerl
09:56 <@Dagmar> heheh
09:59 <@brimstone> https://twitter.com/joeerl/status/505802969510842368
09:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Joe Armstrong on Twitter: "life is too short to learn/fix/debug grunt - WTF is wrong with Make ?" (at twitter.com)
10:00 <@Dagmar> Someone tweet back "Fucking hipsters".
10:01 <@Dagmar> Noobs like to needlessly refactor things because it makes them feel more special, and they always seem to get tired and quit when it comes to the point of analysing whether or not they've solved more problems than what they're trying to replace, or if they've simply replaced them with newer, shinier versions of the same problems, with newer shinier bugs.
10:06 <@Dagmar> looool
10:06 <@Dagmar> https://np.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2gt7x5/just_sysadmin_things_for_which_ive_been
10:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Just Sysadmin Things... for which I've been reprimanded : sysadmin (at np.reddit.com)
10:15 < aestetix_> man
10:15 < aestetix_> I have a few books to read, a work project, and a talk to finish
10:16 < aestetix_> and instead I'm playing this stupid game
10:16 <@Dagmar> _Edit the cookie_
10:16 < aestetix_> it's a different game
10:16 < aestetix_> hackerexperience.com
10:16 <@Dagmar> Ah
11:07 < aestetix_> Hmm.
11:07 < aestetix_> I wonder if I can get a script for modafinil
11:07 < aestetix_> it seems like it would actually help my sleep disorder
11:20 <@Dagmar> Probably so
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11:28 <@Dagmar> ...as in you can probably get a prescription for it.
11:33  * aestetix_ nods
12:16 < aestetix_> is it just me, or is Firefox really prone to crashing a lot lately?
12:16 < aestetix_> I wonder whether it's firefox, or flash being a piece of shit
12:18 <@Wilpig> aestetix_: for me it's been flash
12:18 <@Wilpig> re-enabling my ad blocker stopped a good bit of that
12:18 < aestetix_> hmm
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12:21 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: hey I have a question for you
12:21 <@SuMo_D> yo
12:21 <@SuMo_D> sup
12:21 < aestetix_> Wondering if you're familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh
12:21 <@SuMo_D> of course
12:21 < aestetix_> Ok. Do you have a recommended translation?
12:21 <@SuMo_D> been awhile
12:21 < aestetix_> heh
12:22 <@SuMo_D> hmmm, no don't have one that pops to mind
12:22 < aestetix_> ok
12:22 < aestetix_> Basically I'm a big fan of origin stories
12:23 <@SuMo_D> studied it in both high school and college but I am pretty sue it was part of a compilation both times, donno so long ago now
12:23 < aestetix_> Because things work in a certain way now, and we can trace it back to a point
12:23 < aestetix_> ok
12:23 < aestetix_> And I'm in particular interested in how we got our concept of names.
12:23 < aestetix_> And I bet that is a huge surprise to you :p
12:23 <@SuMo_D> lol
12:24 <@SuMo_D> yeah
12:24 <@SuMo_D> have you studied Asian naming schemes
12:24 <@SuMo_D> those can be pretty facinating
12:24 < aestetix_> a bit
12:24 <@SuMo_D> especially now with globalization
12:25 < aestetix_> man
12:25 < aestetix_> my response to all this talk of globalization
12:25 < aestetix_> you know when you take a word and use it to describe everything, and it loses it's meaning?
12:25 < aestetix_> ie "awesome"
12:25 <@SuMo_D> hehehe I love awesome
12:26 < aestetix_> also around here, "brilliant"
12:26 < aestetix_> I fucking swear I hate hearing people talk about some 22 year old ruby programmer saying he's brilliant because he writes ruby code
12:27 <@SuMo_D> but just saying globalization in the sense that all cultures are effecting each other on a global scale in a much more immediate way than they have before creating a weird kinda global meta-culture.
12:28 <@SuMo_D> I mean from the silk road to the spheres of influence in Shanghi of course there's been influence but just not quite on this scale
12:28 < aestetix_> Yes, in the same way that if you pour a gallon of water into a cup of juice the juice loses its taste
12:29 < aestetix_> Man this place is making me bitter
12:29 <@SuMo_D> well... but the vitamins of the juice and the pulp and its inherent being are still there
12:30 < aestetix_> In the same way that the US Code is this cancerous mess but somehow retains a trickle of value of the original constitution ;)
12:30 <@SuMo_D> just cause somebody from Guangzhou like Bob Dylan and goes by the name Brad when dealing with westerners  doesn't make them less Chinese
12:31 < aestetix_> Ok, let me put it this way. There's an attitude that "my culture is the way the whole world should be" which you can see reflections of in things like the Facebook names policy.
12:32 <@SuMo_D> yeah and that's shitty
12:32 < aestetix_> Then again I live in a city where the people with the money are followers of Ayn Rand
12:32 <@SuMo_D> cultural imperialism on a global scale
12:32 <@SuMo_D> fuck that
12:32  * aestetix_ sighs
12:32 <@SuMo_D> you know I woke up this morning thinking about this
12:33 < aestetix_> thinking about ayn rand?
12:33 <@SuMo_D> there's a girl here, and she's one of the nicest people I've met in this town
12:33 <@SuMo_D> but she built her business around doing "native and gypsy inspired fashion"
12:34 <@SuMo_D> they just had a bit craft fair here and she had pictures of all these little kids dressed up with feather headbands....
12:34 < aestetix_> So her inspiration was a bit shallow?
12:35 <@SuMo_D> we are about 50 miles from the original land of the Cherokees before they were driven off on the Trail of Tears the whole thing makes me very sick to my stomach
12:41 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ have you heard of the term Columbusing ?
12:41 < aestetix_> no
12:41 <@SuMo_D> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6976820/columbusing-discovering-things-for-white-people
12:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Columbusing: Discovering Things for White People - CollegeHumor Video (at www.collegehumor.com)
12:41 < aestetix_> oh boy
12:45 < aestetix_> I hate you
12:46 <@Dagmar> No, that's not racist at all
12:46 < aestetix_> I love how Columbus has become a White person
12:46 < aestetix_> He was originally.... either portugese or spanish, I can't remember
12:47 <@Dagmar> Spanish
12:47 <@Dagmar> @#$ italian
12:47 <@Dagmar> Ah he was working for Spain
12:48 < aestetix_> Oh no wonder.
12:48 < aestetix_> Was he from near Rome?
12:48 <@Dagmar> Does the Republic of Genoa count?
12:49 <@Dagmar> It's right at the top of the bootlaces
12:51 <@Dagmar> By now it should not surprise people that published history somewhat favors people who were actually interested in publishing
12:51 <@Dagmar> I know the concept of global communication is commonplace now, but it's folly to think this was always so
12:52 < aestetix_> wow
12:52 < aestetix_> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=772007969504567&set=vb.145318588840178&type=2&theater
12:52 < aestetix_> look at the comments
12:54 <@Dagmar> Fuck all those people
12:55 < aestetix_> some of them really put a lot of effort and energy into those comments
12:56 < aestetix_> unfortunately they didn't put factual information or informed opinions in...
12:56 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, I don't care for the practice of talking down to "white people" about racism
12:56 <@Dagmar> The vasy majority of us are quite aware that there's a small percentage of people who are dickbags
12:56 <@Dagmar> s/vasy/vast/;
12:57 < aestetix_> I guess the way I handle this is not using facebook
12:57 <@Dagmar> Several of those people were very quick to redefine racism so that it's okay for everyone to be a dick to white people, because they're white people.
12:57 < aestetix_> yep
12:59 <@Dagmar> ...but hey as long as you're really mad about the theoretical ubiquitously racist white people around you, you'll never have time to be mad about the politicians fucking you over every day of the week
13:05 < aestetix_> I should stop ordering so many books
13:10 < aestetix_> Dagmar: one way to put it is "things are fucked up, but pick your battles"
13:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah
13:12 <@eryc> so much for the underground party i was gonna go to tonight
13:12 <@eryc> location got raided last night
13:13 <@Dagmar> doh!
13:13 <@Dagmar> I trust you obligingly became smoke
13:14 <@Dagmar> Hm... anyone know of a _simple_ way to test if a sudo invocation is allowed without actually running the command?
13:15 < aestetix_> grep username /etc/group?
13:15 < aestetix_> also history | grep sudo
13:15 <@Dagmar> No that'
13:15 <@Dagmar> s s nowhere near workable
13:16 <@Dagmar> I'm refining this homepass thing so I really want to restrict it to a non-root role account
13:17 <@Dagmar> Might be able to do it with sudo -l
13:18 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: as opposed to sudo simply being installed?
13:21 <@Dagmar> Yes.
13:21 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to be sure the sudo invocation will actually work
13:22 < aestetix_> why can't you run sudo
13:22 < aestetix_> couldn't you just grab the exit value of sudo in a variable?
13:23 <@Dagmar> Because someone might not have set up the sudoers access proberly
13:23 < aestetix_> like if it returns -1 you know it's bad
13:23 <@Dagmar> Yes and it it's going to actually work I don't want it actually running the command when i'm testing
13:23 <@Dagmar> I've gotta do a sudo -l -n and grep the output
13:26 <@Corydon76_> If a password is required, the exit status will be non-zero
13:26 <@Dagmar> AGAIN...
13:26 <@Dagmar> I do *not* want it running the fucking command
13:27 <@Corydon76_> Right on the -l -n
13:27 <@Corydon76_> But exit status is 1
13:27 <@Dagmar> Yes, I'm aware.
13:28 <@Dagmar> The idea is to ultimately be able to find out if the user can run `hostapd -B -b configuration_file_we_have_not_created_yet` using sudo with no user interaction, without actually running hostapd
13:28 <@Dagmar> ...for reasons which should be obvious by now.
13:28 <@Dagmar> Sudo has no --dry-run mode
13:28 <@Dagmar> ...at least none that I can find, which is why I was asking.
13:30 <@Dagmar> I want this thing to run as a role user when it's reading and writing the database files
13:32 <@Dagmar> I think I'm just going to forcibly populate the sudoers subfile before discarding privs
13:32 < aestetix_> RangerZ: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/09/20/chicago-meets-new-archbishop-pope-francis-effect-sets/
13:34 <@eryc> chmod +s hostapd, problem solved!
13:34 <@Dagmar> hell no
13:35 <@Dagmar> I swear you'd think I'm the only person left who understands POLP some days
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14:41 < aestetix_> man
14:41 <@brimstone> *woman
14:41 < aestetix_> this class on the old testament is giving me all kinds of ammo for nym issues
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15:04 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ where are you taking the class?
15:05 <@Wilpig> SuMo_D: to meet chicks
15:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> where, not why
15:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's taking it online, i think coursera is what he said
15:12 <@Dagmar> netsex stsill doesn't count
15:24 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: online
15:24 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBSOn0MSrk8&list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi
15:24 <@SuMo_D> cool
15:27 <@Wilpig> HAHAHAH http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/teen-worker-rubbed-his-testicles-on-takeout-pizza-576432
15:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cops: Teenager Rubbed His Junk On Patrons Pizza | The Smoking Gun (at thesmokinggun.com)
15:31 < aestetix_> man modafinil is great
15:34 < RangerZ> not for me, puts me to sleep :/
15:34 < RangerZ> but I actually remember my dreams... which is rare for me
15:35 < RangerZ> but aderol does the same... so ehh
15:36 < aestetix_> if you want fun dreams
15:37 < aestetix_> take melatonin
15:43 < aestetix_> I gotta say
15:43 < aestetix_> Obama's second term is not going so well
15:52 < RangerZ> he's the symptom, not the cause
15:52 < RangerZ> unfortunately
15:52 < aestetix_> oh?
15:53 < RangerZ> his blackness was only a spark of the tea party, not the biggest foundation
15:53 < aestetix_> He's only black in color
15:53 < aestetix_> Not in culture
15:53 < RangerZ> thats why he got ellected
15:53 < RangerZ> lol
15:53 < aestetix_> I mean he's basically a highly educated harvard professor with black skin
15:54 < RangerZ> but.... tea party had a LOT in common with OWS, when it came to economic distrust of the "big banks" and "big ____" for the tea party, etc...
15:54 < RangerZ> also elected*
15:55 < RangerZ> just right vs left wing realizations of the same issues
15:55 < RangerZ> the last part of clinton's presidency was the same
15:55 < RangerZ> but obama doesn't have mistresses
15:55 < aestetix_> heh yeah
15:55 < RangerZ> so they don't have something to claim he's doing wrong
15:56 < aestetix_> I bet the republicans are trying really really hard to change that
15:56 < RangerZ> its just what we're going to have when we have a democratic presidenty while the _current_ republican party exists
15:56 < aestetix_> you know
15:57 < RangerZ> but no matter what, after 2020, the _current_ gop isn't going to 1) exist 2) be relevant nationally
15:57 < aestetix_> I love how the republicans say they want limited government, but don't call to end the war on drugs
15:57 < RangerZ> its never been "limited"
15:57 < aestetix_> I'm guessing 2020 will not see a more reasonable party form.
15:57 < RangerZ> its been "limited for me"
15:57 < RangerZ> I'm guessing that 2016 will decide the next ~20 years of politics
15:58 < aestetix_> So if Hillary wins, we'll have 4 years of Bill Clinton?
15:58 < RangerZ> worst case for the GOP is a republican wins
15:59 < RangerZ> b/c then they will self-delude themselves into believing that the 'current' GOP is "ok"
15:59 < RangerZ> and it'll work for at most 1~2 elections more
15:59 < RangerZ> and then demographics will just ruin them
16:01 < RangerZ> but honestly, we're just at the point where the democrats are trying to _lessen_ the harm the GOP is doing to the country
16:01 < RangerZ> not actually trying to do much good either
16:01 < RangerZ> and the GOP feels the same way about democrats
16:02 < RangerZ> thank god we're not using data or math to figure out "which programs work" or anything
16:02 < RangerZ> b/c as a purely economic stimulus the best thing the goverment can do , dollar for dollar is just give poor people money
16:02 < RangerZ> lol
16:03 < RangerZ> "ohh look, the poor people HAVE to spend every dime we give them into stimulating the economy".... etc
16:04 < aestetix_> I think Dagmar should run for public office
16:04 < RangerZ> but thats just MATH, we can't use that for a discussion about politics, b/c if we help the poor , it might make the poor 'more?' lazy?
16:04 < RangerZ> b/c obviously if you're poor, you are already lazy....
16:05 < RangerZ> your crumbling education system, and lack of community investment has nothing to do with that
16:05  * RangerZ pictures oakland
16:05 < RangerZ> ;) lol
16:05 < RangerZ> poor oakland... the whipping boy of this channel, lol
16:08 < aestetix_> who needs education when you have oaksterdam
16:14 < RangerZ> citizens of oakland
16:14 < RangerZ> peopple visiting the bay area
16:14 < RangerZ> my mom in ohio
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16:17 < RangerZ> hell even Bahhumbug needs people in oakland to be less stupid, lol
16:17 < RangerZ> ok, has the youtube video player been absolutely ASS lately for anyone else?
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16:38 < aestetix_> FUCK YES
16:38 < aestetix_> http://seb.st/google-stops-forcing-you-to-join-google-when-opening-a-new-account/
16:39  * Dagmar does a happy dance!  Less than two minutes in the queue!
16:40 < aestetix_> vagina
16:49 < RangerZ> ....
16:49 < RangerZ> https://phreaknic.info/speakers
16:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18 Speakers | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
16:49 < RangerZ> actually has content....
16:49  * RangerZ golf claps
16:51 < RangerZ> kinda noticing a trend with Atlanta...
16:51 < RangerZ> but alright...
16:52 <@Dagmar> aestetix: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4506752002391&set=a.1120354104560.13860.1698288601&type=1&theater
16:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Content Not Found (at www.facebook.com)
16:54 <@Dagmar> godamnit
16:54 <@Dagmar> https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10690282_4506752002391_401350763027500022_n.jpg?oh=1a5ddab6d2e40b83f4b455d79a75df2f&oe=54BFAE89
16:59 < RangerZ> fuck you samsung... calling your part of you print driver caller64.exe
16:59 <@Dagmar> heh
16:59 < RangerZ> thats just asking for it to be thought of as a trojan/virus/etc
17:00 <@Dagmar> So... The Zero Theorem is worth seeing
17:00 <@Dagmar> PROVIDED IT SHOWS ANYWHERE NEAR HERE
17:00 < aestetix_> haha
17:01 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  I should just roll up on the Belcourt and ask them what the fuck
17:01 <@Dagmar> (That's the "independent" theatre here that shows hipster favorites"
17:01 <@Dagmar> )
17:03 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: I have that, actually
17:03 <@Wilpig> it wasn't bad.  very strange
17:04 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rae7_O_6EtU
17:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Zero Theorem - Official Trailer (2014) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:04 < RangerZ> wtf
17:04 < RangerZ> lol
17:04 <@Dagmar> loooool @ Doctor who
17:06 <@Dagmar> "Nothing happens when you answer the phone"
17:06 <@Dagmar> *screaming*
17:16 <@Dagmar> I love this new doctor's honesty
17:30 <@Dagmar> Oh lord
17:32 <@Wilpig> ooo I forgot it was saturday.  new doctor was in my directory 30 minutes ago.  heh
17:33 < aestetix_> wow I keep almost saying "testicle" in work irc
17:41 <@brimstone> Zero Theorem was weird
17:41 <@brimstone> good kinda weird
18:09 < aestetix_> So I was thinking
18:09 < aestetix_> Mathematically, the notion of "straight" breaks down.
18:09 < aestetix_> Since if you are a "straight" guy, are you really interested in sex with ANY woman?
18:10 < aestetix_> I mean clearly Dagmar is straight given his feelings for anarchival, but beyond that?
18:25 < aestetix_> you know
18:25 < aestetix_> http://blog.burningman.com/2014/09/environment/moop-map-2014-the-map-youve-never-seen/
18:26 < aestetix_> the comments on this demanding people be banned reminds me of people demanding only legal names be allowed on websites
18:31 <@Corydon76_> Home Depot sent out their required privacy breach notice today.
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19:53 <@Dagmar> I should certainly be getting one but how they'd get my email address I think would be interesting
20:15 <@eryc> http://media.tumblr.com/52c5c234bde2248d50355bab0f4c7612/tumblr_inline_mslt4auJsx1qz4rgp.gif
20:19 <@brimstone> eryc: new favorite gif
20:35 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUtgsOLjlLA
20:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: MAURY GETS NOSCOPED (EP2) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:38 <@Dagmar> Clearly we're not killing people for the right reasons
20:39 <@Dagmar> ...or perhaps _enough_ reasons
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22:09 <@eryc> found that pic of wilpig from last year https://i.imgur.com/qRa5xFz.jpg
22:13 <@Dagmar> Why are you looking at Twilight fanboy sites?
22:17 <@eryc> how.. how did you know i was?
22:17 <@eryc> i'm on team jacob i have to keep up
22:17 <@oddball> wait wait wait... there are Twilight fan*boys*?
22:17 <@Dagmar> One look at that picture is all I needed to see
22:18 <@Dagmar> There's no other explanation for it.
22:18 <@Dagmar> I've seen all of thirty seconds of those movies
22:18 <@Dagmar> I remember seeing a bunch of happy, smiling vampires at a cabin in the woods casually strolling around with a whole fucking tree casually riding on a shoulder, each.
22:19 <@Dagmar> It was enough to make me want to drop a nuke on it all.
22:19 <@eryc> i saw the first one in the theatre
22:19 <@eryc> i also got laid because of that
22:19 <@Dagmar> Yes well, I prefer self-respect.
22:19 <@eryc> i had no idea what the movie was about
22:19 <@eryc> i think i feel asleep too
22:19 <@eryc> fell too
22:19 <@Dagmar> When I saw it all I could think was "What is this shit?" and then I hit INFO on the remote
22:20 <@Dagmar> I coulnd't change the channel fast enough
22:23 <@oddball> Yeah... I'm with Dagmar.  Not sure getting laid is worth having to sit through that shit.
22:29 <@Dagmar> They had a TwilightCon here the same weekend as our goth night stuff at The Limit, which was distressingly close to the convention center.
22:29 <@Dagmar> The goths I hang with are 'core
22:29 <@Dagmar> I put up a "TEAM BLADE MEETING INSIDE" sign outside the place, and there were zero complaints.
22:29 <@Dagmar> ...and a few "FUck yes"'s
22:30 <@Dagmar> 369 lines of code later, I have all the functions necessary to do the basic homezone spoof shit
22:31 <@Dagmar> The one saving grace of rewriting the stuff this way is that there will be no more untrapped errors of any kind
22:31 <@eryc> it wasn't that bad.  i was really high off cali weed and fell asleep in the middle of it.
22:31 <@Dagmar> I'm even removing the iptables entries rather than just flushing the entire set
22:32 <@Dagmar> It _was_ that bad.
22:32 <@eryc> when they started jumping through trees i busted out laughing
22:32 <@Dagmar> The only thing those fucking pretty boys were missing was fake-n-bake
22:33 <@eryc> what are you coding anyway
22:33 <@Dagmar> I don't want to sound insensitive, but we have a _word_ for that kind of vampire, and the word is "fags"
22:33 <@Dagmar> I'm rewriting the Nintendo home zone spoofing thing so that it supports a database of locations to spoof as
22:33 <@Dagmar> ...and i'm enhancing it's functionality rather a lot
22:33 <@eryc> haha
22:34 <@Dagmar> I'm about to go write the bits that run tcpdump on the interface to watch what's going on in real time
22:34 <@Dagmar> I can tell with a reasonable level of reliability whether or not any actual streetpass hits were obtained
22:35 <@Dagmar> It's fucking annoying to dig around in Wigle.net for a MAC address only to find that it doesn't work
22:35 <@Dagmar> ...and I figure if i were to write an app to just let people take their android phone and push a button to scan for and report likely NintendoZone locations, there'd probably be a C&D
22:36 <@Dagmar> Technically we're kind of undermining their promotional system which is actually bringing them a lot of money
22:37 <@eryc> so the idea is you can do multiplayer trading,etc without being physically near each other? is that it?
22:37 <@Dagmar> Not even that
22:38 <@Dagmar> In Japan, little gamers pass each other on the train and stuff, and the DS units exchange a TINY bit of information back and forth based on what games they own
22:38 <@Dagmar> If you both have Pokemon, you get a pokepoint or something
22:38 <@Dagmar> Those can be used to purchase health potions and stuff
22:38 <@eryc> i see yea there is a list of shit here http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/StreetPass
22:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: StreetPass - The Nintendo Wiki - Wii, Nintendo DS, and all things Nintendo (at nintendo.wikia.com)
22:38 <@Dagmar> If you have Animal Crossing, your whole house gets cloned into a showcase area in the other person's world
22:39 <@eryc> oh so you can transport your 3ds to japan?
22:39 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: When I go into NY I pass people in the subway with them regularly
22:39 <@eryc> by spoofing the mac address of a wifi ap in japan?
22:39 <@eryc> is that it?
22:39 <@Wilpig> you just need enough of a population density for it to really hit much
22:39 <@Dagmar> If you're an american gamer... Well, you can either go to a large convention full of gamers, or start lurking around playgrounds and shopping malls, or you'll see 3-4 streetpass hits a year
22:39 <@eryc> that seems counterproductive
22:40 <@Dagmar> To fix this disparity, Nintendo came up with "StreetPass Relays"
22:40 <@eryc> lurking around areas where little kids play
22:40 <@eryc> ok
22:40 <@Dagmar> So like, anywhere that's a designated NintendoZone location, there's an AP that acts as a proxy
22:40 <@Dagmar> It caches the information of the last six people who were there, so the thing thinks you just saw those people.
22:40 <@eryc> ahh
22:41 <@Dagmar> It does this because the DS will jump on the open AP and phone home with the SSID and MAC of the AP it's using
22:41 <@eryc> can you make a pedobear mii?
22:41 <@Dagmar> Dunno.
22:41 <@Dagmar> I can put gold pants on a Mii but I haven't bothered to try very hard yet
22:41 <@Wilpig> gonna say, not easily
22:41 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure it the pants would even stay gold through the relay
22:42 <@Wilpig> eryc: try.  http://www.miisearch.com/mii-creator.html
22:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mii Creator / Editor - Mii Search - Find or Create Nintendo Wii Mii Characters (at www.miisearch.com)
22:43 <@Dagmar> Now, most of the people doing the homepass thing are basically just making up a bunch of MACs that they all use
22:43 <@Dagmar> However, I find it more intersting to do things like spoof the MAC address and SSID of the Starbucks at international airport terminals
22:43 <@Dagmar> You get Streetpass hits from people all OVER the fuckin' place
22:43 <@Wilpig> I used the ones from the nintendo store.  ;)
22:43 <@eryc> looks like the best you can do is a chubby black kid with black pants
22:54 <@Dagmar> So now that I'm not spoilering on people I have to say again that I really do like the new Doctor's brutal honesty
22:55 <@Dagmar> "...and won't getting blown up affect our morale as well?"
22:55 <@Dagmar> "Only very, very briefly."
22:55 <@Dagmar> So calm.  So smooth and matter-of-fact.
23:12 <@oddball> Yeah... I like the new Doctor.
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