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00:30 <@Dagmar> how?
00:30 < aestetix> So they showed up to the meeting with people from the community engagement department
00:30 < aestetix> Including bring a gay guy just because he was gay. He didn't even know about the names policy.
00:30 <@Dagmar> Yes, people with no power whose job it is to massage feels
00:31 < aestetix> And the people from Facebook didn't even know that Google had retracted their names policy a couple months ago.
00:31 < aestetix> And they hadn't even heard of the EFF (Nadia is an attorney there)
00:37 <@SuMo_D> Not even heard of EFF... O_O
00:38 < aestetix> Yep.
00:38 <@SuMo_D> Just.... How????
00:38 <@SuMo_D> I donno I met some people who were leading a tech meetup last night that'd never heard of a hackerspace
00:39 <@SuMo_D> still... EFF!!!!
00:39 <@SuMo_D> So.... speaking of things people haven't heard about what is up with SASS?
00:39 < aestetix> SASS?
00:41 <@SuMo_D> Its some sort of CSS replacement language? I think? it keeps coming up with stuff I'm looking at
00:42 <@Dagmar> Dude
00:42 <@Dagmar> That team is not a "tech" team
00:42 < aestetix> Dagmar: no, they are a "facebook is awesome!" team
00:42 <@SuMo_D> http://sass-lang.com/guide
00:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sass: Sass Basics (at sass-lang.com)
00:42 <@Dagmar> I mean, it sounds like I'm being completely facetious, but Facebook basically stalled for time there.
00:42 <@Dagmar> THey sent freaking cheerleaders
00:42  * aestetix nods
00:43 <@SuMo_D> looks like trying to make CSS actually function like an actual language instead of a waterfall of styles
00:44 < aestetix> Dagmar: what do you think they stalled for?
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00:44 <@Dagmar> I woulnd't expect them to know any more about the world around them than any other vacuous teenager
00:44 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'm not sure.
00:44 <@Dagmar> It doesn't exactly hint or suggest anything other than they were not being genuine in offering a meeting
00:44 <@Wilpig> SuMo_D: there are a few difference css pre-parsers out there.
00:44 < aestetix> I mean, clearly they are aware this is important, since Google changed their policy.
00:45 <@Dagmar> Either the request from teh drag queens never made it to _actual_ management and PR just threw their cheerleaders out without actually passing the information along or...
00:45 < aestetix> How is that possible? The meeting was mentioned on CNN.
00:45 <@SuMo_D> Wilpig cool, just saw this one popped up all over the ruby scaffolding
00:45 <@Dagmar> ...whatever management group is behind this is trying to stonewall...
00:45 <@Dagmar> ...or... they're trying to hide something about _why this has only been pointed at the drag queens_
00:47 <@Dagmar> I would find out precisely who it was that _said_ they were sending policy people to the meeting, and in what deparment they actually work in
00:47 <@Dagmar> That might let you figure out just how entrenched this really is
00:47  * aestetix nods
00:47 < aestetix> I'll ping Nadia about it later.
00:47 <@Dagmar> They've got a lot of management now
00:47 <@Dagmar> They're going to be acting like a slightly stoned bureaucracy most of the time
00:47 < aestetix> I'm in touch with Sister Roma, but she's new to these politics.
00:48 < aestetix> Whereas EFF has been dealing with it for years.
00:48 <@Dagmar> THere *will* be red tape, even though you'd think a "tech company" wouldn't have it
00:48 <@Dagmar> It's still altogether possible the head of PR is over there going, "Ho, we'll handle it because this is a public relations issue"
00:49 < aestetix> And it is. But it is also a policy issue.
00:49 <@Dagmar> ...and that it's out of a mistaken sense of pride they're keeping the other groups from getting actively involved.
00:49 < aestetix> It's just... of all the people they could have pissed off, loud angry drag queens who have a major voice in San Francisco?
00:50 <@Dagmar> Like, that idiot Hogan at Vandy trying to keep technical issues about DNS _away_ from the two people who knew what the fuck DNS is
00:50 <@Dagmar> I still think the fact that this is largely directed at drag queens is fucking suspicious
00:50 < aestetix> well
00:50 < aestetix> We don't know that for sure.
00:50 <@Dagmar> Double-check _everyone's_ stories
00:50 <@Dagmar> Including the drag queens.
00:50 < aestetix> What we do know is that drag queens with a lot of social capital were affected.
00:50 < aestetix> Others might have been and they just aren't as loud.
00:51 <@Dagmar> Find out how many queens were impacted
00:51 <@Dagmar> I know several people who should have been targeted if this was some "non-kosher name" algorithm check
00:51 <@Dagmar> Nobody's sayin' shit
00:56  * aestetix nods
02:14 < aestetix> http://gothamist.com/2014/09/15/video_this_homeless_millennial_gets.php
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04:41 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/now-trending/Home-Depot-breached-56-million-payment-cards-at-risk-275679281.html
04:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home Depot breached, 56 million payment cards at risk - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
04:41 <@Dagmar> Wow.
04:41 <@Dagmar> So... they're sure it didn't get their stores in Mexico
04:41 <@Dagmar> Everywhere else tho... not so much.
04:41 <@Dagmar> 56 fuckin' miillion cards
04:42 <@Dagmar> There's only 319 million people in the US
05:12 <@Bahhumbug> "now-trending" - this was known two weeks ago with various public financial entities admitting to it first.
05:12 <@Bahhumbug> And yeah, this blows.  Blows really, really hard.
05:13 <@Bahhumbug> These companies just don't care.  The penalties they suffer are less then fixing their exploitable systems so they just take the hits and keep on going like it's business as usual.
05:14 <@Bahhumbug> s/then/than/
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07:18 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCrlCHUrLCU I usually agree with Kim a lot, but I think she's way off with her views here.... "mistreating" the show would be not airing at all the eps. or changing the stroy... Not how you release the episodes online... as long as it isn't in a crap site, etc.
07:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Why is The Legend of Korra Season 4 Being Rushed Out? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 <@Dolemite> *heart* Legend of Korra
07:35 <@Dolemite> Ok, I watched the video that you linked, RangerZ1
07:35 <@Dolemite> I have two words to describe that girl -> dumb ass
07:36 <@Dolemite> She hasn't seen Book 4, yet she's considering it to be rushed and treated poorly.  That's a bit premature to say before even seeing it.  Book 4 might have been "in the can" for the past year for all we know.
08:37 < RangerZ1> i get what she means, in that they aren't doing good marketing
08:37 < RangerZ1> but 'ehh'
08:37 < RangerZ1> time and time again, we've seen that good content don't need 'marketing'
08:38 < RangerZ1> word of mouth, quality awards, etc...
08:43 <@Dolemite> Well the question is how can they monetize it
08:43 <@Dolemite> It certainly cost them a lot of money to produce the cartoons
08:44 <@Dolemite> Or, if you prefer, animated series
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10:11 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2gt7x5/just_sysadmin_things_for_which_ive_been/
10:13 < aestetix> man
10:13 < aestetix> "Telling a supervisor that I'm too busy doing real work to attend a meeting isn't sufficient cause to skip the meeting."
10:18 <@brimstone> "Hiring PHP developers does not contribute to the quota of employees with disabilities."
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11:52 <@ignotus-sdf> Soooo.... my cable cable magically gets pulledd off of the pole, and Comcast says it will be Sunday before they can climb the pole, crimp the connector, and screw it in.
11:53 <@ignotus-sdf> You're welcome, Comcast. You asshats.
11:56 < aestetix_> uuuuuugh fucking HSTS
11:57 < aestetix_> So many problems come up when you force strict SSL
11:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I don't know if NotLarry is fucking around or what
11:57 <@Dagmar> "Looks like Facebook is going to delete my profile in two weeks. I will miss everyone. See you on Google+ I guess."
11:58 <@Dagmar> He posted that to Facebook... and his account actually uses he real name
11:58 <@Dolemite> He's implying that he's a drag queen
11:58 <@Dolemite> He also have an account as N Otlarry
11:59 < aestetix_> man
12:00 <@Dagmar> Okay so they didn't go after him about his own name, then
12:00 < aestetix_> Dagmar: so I'm talking to the lawyers involved in the Facebook thing. And on top of that, I'll be talking about it in my harvard talk
12:00 <@Dagmar> Good
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12:00 < aestetix_> I really need to do a fuckign series on this stuff
12:00 < aestetix_> Because there are *so* many ways that people get it wrong
12:01 < Corydon76_> Comcast just notified me that I have a needed upgrade to my cable modem.  i.e. they want to pollute my airspace by putting in a Wifi access point.
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12:02 <@Corydon76_> <Delete>
12:03 <@oddball> Are you renting your cable modem?
12:03 <@Corydon76_> Yep
12:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> just buy one
12:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> mine cost like 55$
12:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> saved 7$/mo.
12:03 <@oddball> Yeah... it makes no sense to rent.
12:04 <@opticron> most pay for themselves in less than a year
12:04 <@Corydon76_> I've had a ton of problems in the past in my neighborhood, and their first line of defense when you call is to replace your bought cable modem with a rented one.
12:04 <@opticron> and are more stable than the crap units you get from comcast
12:04 <@Corydon76_> and I don't care to go through that hassle again
12:04  * opticron has had so many rented modem problems
12:04 < aestetix_> Indeed.
12:05 < aestetix_> I have a little box where I keep the sealed modem comcast insisted on sending me
12:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus it doesn't have an open back-door (other than the NSA/CIA's requested one, or the Chinese manf's
12:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still... one less one
12:06 <@Corydon76_> If they force an upgrade, I'll be happy to wrap their new box in aluminum foil and let it melt itself.
12:06 <@opticron> heh
12:12 <@Corydon76_> Or I suppose, I could just open up the package and start cutting traces and see what disables the Wifi
12:14 <@Dagmar> Oh wow
12:14 <@Dagmar> I can't wait to get that letter
12:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> it only goes out to those who are renting their modems
12:14 <@Dagmar> If they're going to try to strong-arm me into doing somethi.ng on my network that their TOS forbids _me_ to do (or I'd have done it already) then we's gonna have a war
12:15 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Yes, well, I will not be the least bit surprised to find them trying to claim for the _sixth_ time that I'm renting a modem from them
12:17 <@Corydon76_> Dagmar: it was an email.  You probably don't even bother with checking that account.
12:18 <@Corydon76_> Only reason I see it is that it gets forwarded to my regular email account
12:18 <@Dagmar> Ah fuck
12:18 <@Dagmar> Gotta login to wow
12:21 <@Dagmar> Oh wait
12:21 <@Dagmar> Apparently I actually remembered to do the Talk Like A Pirate Day achievement in 2012
12:22 <@Dagmar> http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/skywall/Eshk/achievement#155:a3457
12:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Achievements - Community - World of Warcraft (at us.battle.net)
12:31 < aestetix_> man
12:31 < aestetix_> "When personal gossip attains the dignity of print, and crowds the space available for matters of real interest to the community, what wonder that the ignorant and thoughtless mistake its relative importance."
12:31 < aestetix_> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/privacy/Privacy_brand_warr2.html
12:31 < aestetix_> That's twitter in a nutshell
12:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry, exceeded 140char, shortened to "too many stupid people talking, smart people/issues can't be heard"
12:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
12:33 < aestetix_> you know
12:34 < aestetix_> For once, I would fucking kill to hear the dialogue about privacy discuss citizens rights, rather than consumers rights
12:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> other than John Oliver and John Stewart, lol
12:34 <@Wilpig> wow...  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/Evilpig/
12:34 <@Wilpig> I've been inactive long enough now
12:36 <@Dagmar> lol
12:36 <@Dagmar> You're about to lose your names then probably
12:36 <@Dagmar> Anyone toon not logged in since mid-2006 is going to get starred when 6.0.2 drops in order to free up namespace
12:36 <@Wilpig> eh?  since when does that happen?
12:37 <@Dagmar> I might be able to fuckin' get Dagmar on my server finally
12:37 <@Wilpig> well shit I've been on since then
12:37 <@Wilpig> I've only not logged in for about a year now
12:37 <@shapr> !ircstats
12:37 <@Dagmar> You have to have logged in with _each toon_
12:38 <@Wilpig> before I stopped my account I got on each of them, well the ones on malganis at least
12:38 <@Dagmar> Ah
12:39 <@shapr> GateKeeper: ircstats
12:39 <@Wilpig> I might reup in november
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12:39 <@Wilpig> shapr: http://se2600.org/ircstats/
12:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at se2600.org)
12:40 <@shapr> ah, thanks
12:47 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: Only 36 pct of Americans can name the three branches of government http://wapo.st/1yiFwWM
12:47 < aestetix_> I somehow suspect it was not that bad 30 years ago
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12:58 <@Dagmar> Oh come it's easy
12:59 <@Dagmar> There's the executive branch, the judicial branch, and accounts payable.
12:59 < aestetix_> Thanks anarchival
12:59 <@Corydon76_> Executive, Senate, and Santa Maria
13:01 <@Wilpig> I got a tribble!
13:01 <@Dagmar> It's not just a cleaning staff failure?
13:01 <@Corydon76_> You'd be best leaving it in the company of a Klingon
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13:02 <@Wilpig> it has a warning saying not to leave it with a klingon, actually
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13:02 <@Dagmar> Where's the fun in that?
13:03 <@Dagmar> More importantly, where is the moral outrage and demand for change over racist tribbles?
13:03 <@oddball> Playing the Star Trek MMO?
13:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, that ratio has probably always been the same
13:03 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppisutwp92lkqa1/2014-09-19%2013.02.51.jpg?dl=0
13:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig: FYI, blizzard is also starting name-reuse
13:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they figured out that b/c of spammers they had exhausted all sub-14 character names, except xsdpwef8asdoiwe
13:04 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Yes we were discussing that very thing
13:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and that got used the day before the announcement
13:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh, i see that, didn't realized I had missed part of the convo
13:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnn-3ghXH0 god.. we need him in the white house
13:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bill Clinton Mocks Mitch McConnells Speech to Koch Brothers - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> just imagine the drama he could do when not having to be directly burdened with being president
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13:12 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: vote for Hillary
13:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
13:23 < aestetix_> ok so
13:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> she's too fucking corporatist/neo-con for me
13:23 < aestetix_> Dagmar: the stuff I mentioned in here last night about the Facebook meeting apparently isn't public.
13:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that doesn't mean ... that I wouldn't rule her out
13:24 < aestetix_> So nobody say it in a press release :p
13:24 <@Dagmar> no worries
13:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I'd vote for her over romney (who seems to be the only republican who could run in 2016 right now...)
13:25 < aestetix_> I'd vote for Hillary with the understanding that Bill Clinton would have influence again.
13:25 < aestetix_> Well, not that he doesn't, but you know
13:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
13:26 <@Dagmar> Fucking bike hipsters
13:26 <@Dagmar> I know why there's virtually no "motorcycles" with CVT.
13:26 <@Dagmar> Every time the subject comes up, fucktards come and shout people down about it
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> he really wasn't that good of a president, he just got lucky that parrot parot decided to make the contest a 3 way race
13:27 < aestetix_> Who *has* been that good of a president?
13:27 <@Dagmar> My favorite stupid argument: Not having to shift gears would be a _distraction_
13:27 < aestetix_> From what I can tell everyone going back to Nixon was awful
13:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> other than vietnam, nixon was actually pretty good
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> the spying shit... ehh
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:28 < aestetix_> Right.
13:28 < aestetix_> Nixon was great compared to Bush
13:28 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, you don't get credit for managing a situation you helped to create
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> founded EPA, clean air act, clean water act
13:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> as a fucking REPUBLICAN
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13:53 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQx8ezZbv7M
13:53 < aestetix_> this is ridiculous
13:53 < aestetix_> line for the iphone 6
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14:02 < frsilent> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2gurmc/best_buy_opened_2_hours_early_for_iphone_6_here/
14:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Best Buy opened 2 hours early for iPhone 6. Here is the crowd. : funny (at www.reddit.com)
14:06 < aestetix_> I love how the stories competing for space on CNN right now are ISIS and the iPhone
14:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> what is the name of the art form of pictures where they are transformations of factorial math computations
14:18 <@Dagmar> What?  Fractals?
14:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah thats it
14:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> i figured it out, thanks though
14:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was one of those "omg I should know this"
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14:50 < aestetix_> vagina
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15:04 <@shapr> VAINA
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16:03 < RangerZ> so...
16:04 < RangerZ> I want everyone to imagine notlarry dressed as a unicorn... twerking... while he hoola-hoops.... and it being a race with other people doing the same
16:05 < RangerZ> http://hoopcamp2014.sched.org/event/73797e262b516089ecafd0f0c14bfb4e
16:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hoopcamp 2014: Twerking Unicorn Relay Race (at hoopcamp2014.sched.org)
16:20 <@Dagmar> o.O
16:22 < RangerZ> god I LOVE listening to NPR
16:24 <@Dagmar> O.o
16:24 < RangerZ> its a little too pro-conservative nonsense in an attempt to placate charges that its liberal... ... but stories that mention "wtf"(s) like this... is great, lol
16:25 < RangerZ> I emailed my self with a note "Hoop unicorn twerking race" and that was the #1 search result
16:25 < RangerZ> I'm afraid that there is more than 1 result....
16:28 < RangerZ> FYI, iOS 8 Apparently breaks a lot of things related to.... networking... (not like thats important) particularly streaming data
16:28 <@Dagmar> Well here... Let me boggle you even more
16:28 <@Dagmar> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361852/Grey-School-Wizardry-Real-life-Dumbledore-opens-worlds-wizard-school.html
16:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Grey School of Wizardry: Real life Dumbledore opens world's first wizard school | Daily Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk)
16:28 <@Dagmar> That's apparently a _legit_ Pagan playing dress-up now
16:30 < RangerZ> alright... I'm done
16:30 < RangerZ> where is the exit of this ride
16:33 <@Dagmar> lolol
16:35 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlZx-T9uBOE
16:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twerking leads to Unicorns :) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:35 < RangerZ> there is video...
16:35 < frsilent> wow lol
16:36 <@Dagmar> So far... delicious
16:37 < RangerZ> suringly
16:37 <@Dagmar> I'm thinkin maybe the brunette is umm...
16:37 <@Dagmar> I'm just gonna say it.  No good in the sack.
16:37 < RangerZ> wait for the end without the hoop
16:38 < RangerZ> I'd test her out...
16:38 < RangerZ> ....for science....
16:38 <@Dagmar> They need a way to train.
16:38 <@Dagmar> lol
16:40 < RangerZ> Dagmar: put away the riding crop....
16:41 <@Dagmar> I won't need a crop.  I'm sure they can take verbal instruction.
16:42 < RangerZ> or don't.... i guess thats up to them
16:42 < RangerZ> lol
16:42 < notlarry> Wow my new supervisor, hired from within my team, really has no idea how things work in this room. Like the tech side of shit.
16:43 < RangerZ> ohhh thats right... you'll fucking love this shit
16:44 < RangerZ> I got an email the other day...
16:44 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: Who is it?
16:44 < RangerZ> from:	 LISTSERV@list.vanderbilt.edu
16:44 < RangerZ> reply-to:	 WEEKENDATVANDY_GRAD_STUDENTS-request@list.vanderbilt.edu
16:44 < RangerZ> to:	________________________@vanderbilt.edu>
16:45 < RangerZ> You have been automatically removed from the WEEKENDATVANDY_GRAD_STUDENTS list  (weekendatvandy_grad_students) as  a  result  of repeated  delivery error  reports from  your mail  system.
16:45 <@Dagmar> lol
16:46 < RangerZ> thats actually great for ME , b/c I was tired of its driven spam
16:46 < RangerZ> but...wtf.
16:46 <@Dagmar> The "what" is people who don't know what they're doing
16:51 < notlarry> Dagmar: Titus
16:51 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
16:51 < RangerZ> i mean... I _KNOW_  I'm not qualified to do sys admin at that kind of scale or even close to it ... but I know that, and don't pretend that I know wtf is going on with that domain
16:52 < RangerZ> and I think thats the difference, a lot of people are afraid to admit that they don't know something...
16:53 < notlarry> How is it that I work in it and I am in an operations center with 4 it people and when I start talking about it their heads turn to the side like dogs who don't really have any idea what you are saying?
16:56 <@Dagmar> Sheesh I'm going to turn on my Ingress client whiel I work on this spoofing thing if I keep screwing up
16:57 <@Dagmar> I keep getting the interfaces backwards and locking myself out of it
16:57 <@Dagmar> ...so I have to go into the front room and restart the thing
16:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/your-money/kicked-off-facebook-and-wondering-why.html
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17:09 <@Corydon76_> aestetix_: someone in the California state legislature should _threaten_ to regulate Facebook's disciplinary actions
17:10 <@Corydon76_> Not actual regulation, but merely the threat of it can cause companies to take corrective action pretty quickly
17:10 < aestetix_> hmm
17:10 < aestetix_> How would they do that?
17:10 < aestetix_> I mean what reasoning would they use?
17:11 <@Corydon76_> Perhaps a belief that Facebook, being ubiquitous, has taken over the role of the public square, and thus persons have a right to free speech in that public square
17:12 < aestetix_> Don't we have to wait until we have net neutrality first?
17:12 < aestetix_> Because it's not useful to have a free speech right on facebook, only to have it jerked away by comcast
17:13 <@Corydon76_> You're only trying to fix Facebook's policies, not Comcast's policies
17:15 <@Corydon76_> Legally, it's a stretch, but I suspect the lawyers at the EFF or another public policy group could strengthen such sufficiently to compose a fair legal basis
17:17 < aestetix_> Hmm.
17:17 < aestetix_> My senate representative happens to be the chair of the california senate public safety committee
17:17 < aestetix_> I wonder if there's an argument that Facebook's names policy makes it unsafe
17:18 <@Corydon76_> There's definitely an argument for that
17:18 <@Corydon76_> Children are told not to give out their information online, due to the possibility of predators online.  The real names policy is a threat.
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17:19 <@Corydon76_> Barring enforcement of that policy against any person who may fear for his or her safety, if forced to divulge a real name online could be a possibility
17:19 <@Corydon76_> and that would cover some drag queens, as well
17:20 <@Corydon76_> Really, any person with a separate public and private persona
17:20 <@Corydon76_> The safeguard against fraud is that the person must consistently use the public persona online in multiple social networks
17:21 <@Dagmar> Persistence, and history, yes.
17:21 <@Corydon76_> History only allows existing personas, not new ones
17:21 <@Dagmar> No.
17:22 <@Corydon76_> New drag queens are created every day
17:22 <@Dagmar> So are new people.
17:22 <@Corydon76_> Consistency and persistence are the keys
17:22 <@Dagmar> History is only relevant when it's hand in hand with a specific identity
17:23 <@Dagmar> It provides perspective of the persona over time.
17:23 <@Dagmar> Granted, people online are incredibly stupid and make judgements based on a name alone, never having heard it before at all
17:23 <@Dagmar> ...and never looking to see if they've ever heard it before, or if it even existed before.
17:23 <@Dagmar> That's _their_ problem
17:28 < aestetix_> I think one of the issues is that so many organizations and governments are working to help people "feel" safe
17:29 < aestetix_> When they should actually be working to make sure they "are" safe. Instead we have all this crap with no evidence that any of it is needed.
17:31 <@Corydon76_> How exactly are you going to be able to quantify being safe?
17:31 <@Corydon76_> Feeling safe is a much easier thing to quantify
17:31 <@Dagmar> It's rather likely that they can't, and it's not exactly their job
17:32 <@Dagmar> They can, however, teach people how to ensure their own safety.
17:32 <@Dagmar> Of course, that would have to start with a long discussion about WHY THE FREE CURSORS er... CANDY IS BAD
17:32 < aestetix_> Corydon76_: things like crime statistics?
17:32 < aestetix_> If you have an area with 100 muggings, it's less safe than an area with 0 muggings
17:33 <@Corydon76_> aestetix_: you're talking about aggregate safety, not individual safety
17:33 < aestetix_> And aggregate safety is what the government should be concerned with.
17:33 <@Corydon76_> If very few kids are abducted from a particular neighborhood, that's of no comfort to the mother of the one kid who is.
17:34 < aestetix_> Corydon76_: and so the police watch in general to make sure nobody else gets abducted. They don't post a police officer at every kid's bedroom door
17:34 < dasunt> Damnit, I cracked a tooth or something.
17:34 < dasunt> Or have a bad cavity.
17:34 <@Corydon76_> Or a filling fell out
17:35 <@Dagmar> hydrogen peroxide
17:35 <@Dagmar> You know it'll be fuuuuun
17:35 <@Corydon76_> The thing about feeling safe, however, is also why the Catholic Church tended to cover up for pedophile priests, though
17:35 <@Dagmar> ...and not using it will be so much worse you'll wish for sweet oblivion.
17:36 < dasunt> Well, it's the back of the tooth.
17:36 <@Corydon76_> If you don't know the new priest in your small town was moved there because he was accused of diddling little boys in his last town, you _feel_ safe around him
17:36 < aestetix_> dasunt: get some pliers
17:36 < dasunt> Maybe it's been rotting or something and I never noticed it until I found the gap.
17:36 < dasunt> aestetix_: I DO NOT DO HOME DENTISTRY.
17:37 <@Corydon76_> dasunt: your dentist gone for the day, or off on Fridays?
17:37 < dasunt> "My dentist"?
17:37 < dasunt> LOL.
17:37 < aestetix_> Corydon76_: how do you quantify that people feel safe? Ask them?
17:37 < dasunt> You fancy people with dental insurance.
17:37 <@Corydon76_> aestetix_: generally, yes
17:38 < dasunt> I think it's been about 5 years since I've seen a dentist, which is part of the problem.
17:38 < dasunt> Incidentally, it's been five years since I've had a job with dental insurance.
17:38 < aestetix_> Corydon76_: because nobody would ever lie. And their answers wouldn't change based on how you phrase the question
17:38 < aestetix_> Or externalities
17:39 <@Corydon76_> aestetix_: I said it was easier to make someone feel safe than to ensure their safety.  I didn't say it wasn't complicated.
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17:40 <@Corydon76_> Lying is certainly one of the ways that authorities can make someone feel safe.  "Everything is under control.  There's nothing to worry about.  Go home."
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17:43 < aestetix_> Or "Our names policy works. Trust us."
17:47 <@Corydon76_> Lying only works as long as nobody discovers the truth
17:48 <@Corydon76_> Or as long as they can continue to fool people and deny that there's anything to the accusations leveled by someone saying something different
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> <@Corydon76_> Perhaps a belief that Facebook, being ubiquitous, has taken over the role of the public square, and thus persons have a right to free speech in that public square
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> Except it's not a public square; it's a forum provided by a private company and there is no such thing as free speech in that venue.
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18:38 <@Corydon76_> Bahhumbug: and therein lies the difference between getting a company to do something by threatening it with legislation versus actually trying to regulate its activities
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> That only works if the threat has teeth.
18:43 <@Corydon76_> Sometimes it's sufficient to make the company think they're in for a protracted and expensive legal battle.
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20:23 <@Dagmar> lol http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/4669054905.html
20:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mean ass, Rat Bob (at nashville.craigslist.org)
20:43 < aestetix_> Jesus
20:43 < aestetix_> http://campusreform.org/?ID=5923
20:43 < aestetix_> "Public university required students to submit sexual history or face disciplinary action"
20:52 <@Dagmar> "1. I did your mom."
20:52 <@Dagmar> Done!
20:56 <@eryc> putin bought pabst
21:00 <@Wilpig> w00t!
21:00 <@Wilpig> df: `/media3': No such file or directory
21:00 <@Wilpig> df: no file systems processed
21:00 <@Wilpig> /bin/sh: df -h /media3: No such file or directory
21:01 <@Wilpig> bah
21:01 <@Wilpig> I forget irc isn't on that box
21:11 <@Wilpig> there we go
21:11 <@Wilpig> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
21:11 <@Wilpig> diskpig:/volume1/media
21:11 <@Wilpig>                        37T  442G   36T   2% /media3
21:19 <@Bahhumbug> Good size for pr0n
21:20 <@Corydon76_> That's pretty much what Tumblr is
21:27 <@Wilpig> http://doctorwho.tumblr.com/
21:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Official Doctor Who Tumblr (at doctorwho.tumblr.com)
21:31 <@brimstone> Wilpig: what size drives?
21:31 <@brimstone> did you get that NAS?
21:31 <@brimstone> and why didn't you call it pigpen?
21:32 <@brimstone> or is pigpen your wifi ssid?
21:32 <@Wilpig> brimstone: 4t
21:32 <@Wilpig> my wifi is actually "Jackpot"
21:32 <@Wilpig> it's the only non-pig anything on the network
21:35 <@brimstone> i need to find a different terminal
21:35 <@brimstone> urxvt slows down X too much :(
21:38 <@Wilpig> http://www.whoisu2.com/
21:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Who is U2? (at www.whoisu2.com)
21:39 <@eryc> what nas is that?
21:41 <@Wilpig> eryc: synology DS2413+
21:43 <@eryc> raid6?
21:45 <@Wilpig> yeah
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21:48 <@Wilpig> this is the network traffic for it for about the last hour
21:48 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqvkcr0umlb2rsr/Screen%20Shot%202014-09-19%20at%209.47.38%20PM.png?dl=0
21:48 <@Wilpig> I've got two rsync jobs copying shit to it 
21:52 < notlarry> Just fucking kill me now please.
21:57 <@Wilpig> @fire notlarry 
21:57  * GateKeeper sets fire to notlarry with the flames of a thousand suns
21:58 < notlarry> Nope, that didn't do it.  And now I'm smoking again...
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> @shoot notlarry
21:59  * GateKeeper tests wind and humidity conditions, adjusts for range, lines up the crosshairs, takes the shot, watches notlarry drop dead from a perfect head shot
22:06 <@eryc> YOU DEAD NOW FOOL
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22:52 <@eryc> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/hack-runs-android-apps-on-windows-mac-and-linux-computers/
22:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hack runs Android apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux computers | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
23:06 <@Wilpig> eryc: that's good news there.
23:06 <@Wilpig> can't wait to see it get to the stable point
23:27 <@Wilpig> wow
23:28 <@Wilpig> http://hildlife.com/insurance/article-awl-web.php?voluumdata=vid..00000001-23c7-4cbf-8000-000000000000__vpid..35bd3800-4072-11e4-80ba-aa0dacf0f375__caid..4d84a6d9-91a7-40d8-aef5-20744a9293ce__lid..6fea2ddc-0bc4-4827-ba62-b3dc8da17ddf__rt..R__oid1..b0df68c1-dfa0-4880-8633-63c199be596a__var1..ad1__var2..www%5C.%5Clifebuzz%5C.%5Ccom&ad=ad1&source_name=www.lifebuzz.com
23:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: New Rule Leaves Drivers Furious & Shocked (at hildlife.com)
23:28 <@Wilpig> check the disclosure at teh bottom of that
23:28 <@eryc> bro i put a vm in your vm in your vm and now we can run android
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