--- Log opened Sun Sep 14 00:00:47 2014
00:11 <@Dagmar> _Completely_ lacking in bedside manner.
00:21 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: I think you'd be engaged too the orange haired Nora from RWBY, I think she's crazy enough, lol
00:22 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw6lFyy8jIk just got posted, listening to it now
00:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Talks at Google: Edward E. Baptist, "The Half Has Never Been Told" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:28 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Isn't that precisely what I said about her?
00:31 < RangerZ1> ohh I thought you said the main character ruby
00:31 < RangerZ1> but if I read/rememeber wrong.... then yah
00:32 <@Dagmar> I was probably a bit vague because I was alarmed
00:33 <@Dagmar> Nora is a danger to herself and everyone nearby
00:33 < RangerZ1> perfect for someone you'd date ;)
00:33 < RangerZ1> lol
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00:34 < RangerZ1> ...though... its not like I'm much better off.... lol...
00:51 <@Dagmar> So the DMA controller takes over?
01:08 < RangerZ1> huh?
01:08 < RangerZ1> so anyone familiar with http://www.highwinds.com/ ?
01:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Content Delivery Network | Highwinds | CDN | Content Distribution Network (at www.highwinds.com)
01:18 <@Bahhumbug> I ran typhoon back in the day before they ever got into content delivery.
01:18 <@Bahhumbug> As far as their CDN and managed services go I can't say I am familiar with them.
01:19 < RangerZ1> they claim to be the biggest CDN in the world... and I'm only getting 600kbps from them, and I'm at the _high_ end of what peopel are getting
01:19 <@Dagmar> I saw yer ISIS people at Maker Faire
01:19 <@Bahhumbug> I call absolute bullshit on that claim.
01:20 < RangerZ1> ohh?
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> No one is currently larger than akami.
01:20 < RangerZ1> yeah, thats what I thought too
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> Unless something has drastically changed and I am not aware of it, which is always possible.
01:20 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: know who it was?
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> But I still call bullshit.
01:20 <@Dagmar> Nah, a couple of people tho
01:21 <@Dagmar> I got a lot of Streetpass hits
01:21 < RangerZ1> nice
01:21 < RangerZ1> was going to go , but been feeling sick lately... so big crowds... not ideal
01:30 <@Dagmar> Well, I wouldn't call what I saw at 3:30 to be a "big" crowd
01:31 <@Dagmar> There were a lot of people but the dalek had no problems roaming all over
01:32 <@Dagmar> I had a discussion with ShinyCat about the bacon trailer
01:32 <@Dagmar> All the food vendors were gone and she decided to tell me I should go to the bacon trailer (which was also gone) and tell them I was a vegetarian because they have a "surprising amount of other things in there"
01:33 <@Dagmar> If I went up to a food vendor specializing in "BACON" in big letters and said I was a vegetarian, I would not be the least bit surprised to hear back "I'm sorry, our freezer is full right now."
01:33 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, I don't think they're really taking bacon all that seriously.
01:38 < RangerZ1> lol
01:38 <@Dagmar> I'm gonna have to talk to her about Ingress again, even though she's a smurf
01:38 <@Dagmar> SHe's like "I'm level one."
01:38 <@Dagmar> she has an excuse
01:38 <@Dagmar> SHe lives out in smurf country and is in a wheelchair
01:38 <@Dagmar> I think she needs a _trike_.  :)
01:39 <@Dagmar> ...or to badger one of those smurfs to take her shotgun because those lazy bitches drive everywhere
01:40 <@Dagmar> I can also think of all kinds of fiends who would be into modding a small trike for a girl in a wheelchair, just to see it
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
01:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> put a 124cc engine on it... or something?
01:54 <@Dagmar> No, I was acutally thinking a normal 150-250cc trike could just have some handgrips added
01:54 <@Dagmar> You don't exactly even need legs
01:55 <@Dagmar> THey don't fall over unless you have _major_ problems
01:55 <@Dagmar> ...and you would _normally_ do all the controls with your hands.
01:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> there was already trikes designed for wheel chair access
01:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> could base it off of those
01:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've seen the ones where someone drives a wheelchair _into_ them
01:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
01:56 <@Dagmar> That's bukly and not entirely needed
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... hoverboards really solves the problems... but alas
01:56 <@Dagmar> There's some really slick looking scooter-trikes tho
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking back to the future... blue balling us for all these years
01:56 <@Dagmar> Damn those laws of thermodynamics
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually its not disproven yet
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c we still have no idea how gravity works...
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> that and proving NP != NP complete... are the only two things I know of that you could submit on toilet paper in crayon and get any science/math degree you wanted from any university world wide, lol
01:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> P != NP Complete**
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but all signs still point to that being true...
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> err false
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> fuck it... back to reading fantasy novels
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02:31 < noetic> RangerZ1: whats good man
02:38  * CRasH180 imagines riding on a hoverboard and being the COOLEST kid in town!
02:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> noetic: other than sex, drugs (more so caffeine for me, but ehh) and rock and roll ?
02:39 < noetic> coffee good
02:39 < noetic> tripping balls at dennys drinking loads of coffee as we txt
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> mind games with people who think they are smarter than you are
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> i thought you stopped doing anything
02:39 < noetic> who knew 4 pots of cofee caused visions
02:40 < noetic> lol not on anything illegal, lol
02:40 < noetic> plus me...acid? not a good mix at all
02:40 < noetic> i'd kill someone.......i mean not me but someone\
02:40 < noetic> no but i am fairly drunks
02:41 < noetic> wish i was on acid that would pose for a more interesting night
02:42 < noetic> other then blankly sitting at dennys ettercapping the local hotel for paswords out of boredom, i never do that on a sat night at all
02:44 < noetic> :D
02:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> why not fucking study for some of those certs your lazy ass needs?
02:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:45 < noetic> because i just got off work and thinking is the last thing on my mind be glad I am not looking for a dime of some fire to calm my mind
02:45 < noetic> but i do need to buckle down and get them certs done
02:45 < noetic>  brb cigarette
02:47 < noetic> back
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04:51 < aestetix_> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/transtech-apprenticeship-program-fall-session
05:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> trans-formative tech?
05:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> micro-agressions?
05:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression
05:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Microaggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
05:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> because I'd never heard that term.... lol
05:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> I swear... there are new terms for old ideas all the time, I've known for a long time of the idea of that, but never had a term for it... other than an indirect insult/slur/etc ...
05:33 < aestetix_> Hmm
05:33 < aestetix_> I think microaggression is newspeak for thought police
05:33 < aestetix_> at least for tone police
05:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, most of this is just the bay area
05:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> I don't see anything really coming up that is _drama_ like terms like that, etc... that isn't from the bay...
05:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell... I didn't even know what "macaca(sp?)" was...  until it lost that politician his race
05:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> or tapping your shoe in a bathroom stall....
05:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> (mind you I wouldn't have known to say macaca if I didn't know what it was...) but the shoe thing... wanting sex... no one in their right mind would _guess_ that unless they were told
05:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> its like the mason handshake, such a simple thing, but you'd never guess unless you were told
05:49 < aestetix_> What is the macaca
05:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(U.S._politician)#.22Macaca.22_controversy
05:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> racial slur meaning monkey
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> for blacks
05:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> he got caught on cell phone video saying "mr macaca" about someone
05:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> and it was one of the first 'hidden camera by a citizen" examples in politics
05:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but mitt romney's 47% video is the fucking definition of that now... lol
05:53 < aestetix_> well
05:53 < aestetix_> Mitt Romney's video was less of an accidental slur
05:53 < aestetix_> And more of a "wow this guy really is a douchebag"
05:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> I mean being recorded by someone on readily available equipment
05:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is why they now rent out the ENTIRE hotel when they have those sort of meetings
05:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> problem is...
05:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> they have to hire plebeians to staff it... lol
05:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> (that will be the first usage of robots, rich fucks who don't want spying eyes or ears)
05:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
06:11 < aestetix_> god
06:11 < aestetix_> this hackerexperience.com thing is addictive
06:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> how fake is it?
06:15 < aestetix_> try it out
06:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> ehh
06:16 < aestetix_> It's sort of like a web version of uplink
06:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i honestly don't know how to 'hack' , so i wouldn't even know how to compare, lol
06:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd fail so fast on CTF etc
06:16 < aestetix_> it's not really ctf
06:17 < aestetix_> and btw, if you wanna learn CTF stuff, read the writeups
06:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah I know, I really just don't care, if I did I could do it, b/c I know all the fundamental stuff, buffer over/under attacks, stack/heap exploits, root escalation, etc etc etc... But I like more abstract concepts
06:19 < aestetix_> such an academic
06:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, someone has to figure out how to scale grading of programming assignments up to 300,000 students
06:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> so that more free online classes can be offered, etc
06:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> edx, coursera, all them have pretty shitty systems, that are overall limited, sadly
06:22 < aestetix_> agreed
06:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> but more so... how to design assignments for that kind of scale, that aren't easily copy/trade/fake-able
06:23 < aestetix_> also I don't understand why a teacher would put videos up, then take them down and reteach the class
06:23 < aestetix_> then again I take them basically as video lectures and tend to ignore everything else
06:23 < aestetix_> like the study of Old Testament I'm working through right now
06:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> doug and jules AFAIK have left everything up
06:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> but we might take big long 1.5hr videos down, and replace them with smaller 10~15min chuncks
06:24 < aestetix_> isn't that hard to do for say a class on algorithms?
06:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> which 'that' ?
06:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> smaller segments ?
06:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> or better assignments?
06:25 < aestetix_> smaller segments
06:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends, most algorithms aren't actually that complex in _explanation_
06:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they build off of other ones
06:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you can say "DES uses 2 S-Boxes < see video on S Boxes if you aren't familiar with them> "
06:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> err 1...  ehh... I forget
06:27 < aestetix_> I think more like 12
06:27 < aestetix_> I can't remember either
06:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> 8 's boxes' but some p boxes too,
06:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... there are some that would take a really long time
06:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you can shorten them as much as possible, it helps
06:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... the assignment and grading system is about done, we're still doing alpha stage testing of the scaling part
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06:35 < aestetix_> hi SuMo_D
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06:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> see...thats what you do to people
06:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> scare them off
06:47 < aestetix_> hah
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08:01 < aestetix_> penis
08:18 < aestetix_> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/snowden-documents-indicate-nsa-has-breached-deutsche-telekom-a-991503.html
08:21 <@Dagmar>  Uhh that's a problem
08:21 < aestetix_> yep
08:23 <@Dagmar> Hmm... looks like we don't have a no-spy agreement with Germany
08:24 < aestetix_> Would we respect it if we did?
08:24 <@Dagmar> Judging from the rest of the leaks we don't
08:24 < aestetix_> I gotta say
08:25 < aestetix_> How the hell did Snowden get away with such a metric fuckton of classified documents
08:27 <@Dagmar> Probably he was allowed to
08:28 <@Dagmar> Because when a bunch of unpleasant data comes out a little at a time, the outrage doesn't reach critical mass
08:28 <@Dagmar> If the entire load were dropped all at once, people would go spare
08:33 < aestetix_> I gotta say
08:33 < aestetix_> Obama's second term is not going so well
08:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> how is that a problem? i mean other than getting caught?
08:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: it never was going to, b/c we never fixed any fundamental issues
08:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> legal bribery just got worse
08:35 < aestetix_> It did help some things with health care though
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08:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'helped' not fixed
08:35 < aestetix_> I know
08:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> like vision and dental isn't covered under most plans still
08:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> or only 1 is
08:36 < aestetix_> the pre-existing conditions bit is huge though
08:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, its GOOD, but not even great
08:36 < aestetix_> It's way better than it was
08:36 < aestetix_> It's now good, it used to be awful
08:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, but I would have liked to see 1 state with a real medical PLAN, with state paid doctors for citizens of that state
08:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> see how it works
08:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> run the test
08:37 < aestetix_> that would have been great
08:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> VA does great work, just that it is way under staffed b/c they can't pay doctors even close to what they would get in private practice
08:38 < aestetix_> one thing that seems to have gotten worse lately
08:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> and the 14B or w/e they gave to it, isn't even close to enough
08:38 < aestetix_> the "lines"
08:38 < aestetix_> waiting on hold, trying to dispute things, etc
08:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah...
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08:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly we should have just said "fuck it... medicare for all" and been done with it
08:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> Canada has a good system, but their flaw IMHO is that you CAN NOT pay to get service faster for non life threatening services, so if you need a hip replacement, you have to wait the 4~8months
08:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> just take CA's system, and then let us pay for stuff if 1) you can afford it 2) you want to
08:42 < aestetix_> You mean Canada's system. You do NOT want California's system :)
08:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> CA = cali?
08:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe j/k
08:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yes CA/CAN/124
08:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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10:08 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: i've got friends in canada that say that waiting shit for critical things is nonsense
10:25 <@Dickie> that sentence hurts
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10:36 < aestetix_> http://blackgirlnerds.com/racial-discrimination-resignation-dr-misee-harris-open-letter-media/
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10:51 <@Wilpig> bah!  fuckin' shit luck I have.  so I was driving home from brooklyn yesterday.  roads were a little wet, the car in front of me lost traction in a turn and spun out.  I jerked the wheel to avoid him and in turn lost traction and did a 360 on I95 coming to a stop when my rear bumper hit the side wall
10:52 <@Wilpig> hit just hard enough to bend the rear bumper and break the tail light.  went out to come to work this morning and the rear tire on the driver's side was flat.
10:52 <@oddball> suck
10:53 <@oddball> You still driving that POS truck you had down here?
10:53 <@Wilpig> yup
10:53 <@Dagmar> The tire probably unseated
10:53 <@Wilpig> still runs like a champ
10:53 <@oddball> Did you ever get that gas leak fixed?
10:53 <@Wilpig> I did!
10:53 <@sync350> haha, that's the great thing about old POS trucks, they just keep going
10:54 <@oddball> That's good.
10:54 <@Wilpig> kinda had to cause you can't pump your own gas up here and it would be hard to hide
10:54 <@Wilpig> it did need fixing too
10:55 <@Wilpig> probably gonna jack the truck up tomorrow and either put the spare on or just take that one up to the repair place and get it fixed up
10:55 <@oddball> Oh, NJ is one of those states that outlawed self service?
10:56 <@Wilpig> I couldn't find my pump this morning to attmpt to put air in it
10:56 <@Wilpig> yup.  I read the state statute on it and they convinced the legislature that it was in the public's best interest for safety and it passed
10:57 <@Wilpig> I will say i've noticed the time I spend at the gas station generally feels shorter than when I was in nashville.
10:58 <@Wilpig> oh, my tailgate no longer opens now too.  fuckin' bumper
10:59 <@Wilpig> what did y'all think of doctor who yesterday?
10:59 <@oddball> Well, part of that can be attributed to the fact that you're in the north now.  People tend to do everything slower down here.
11:00 <@oddball> I thought it was great... except that the ending just kind of fell flat.
11:00 <@Wilpig> I thought the ending was fantastic.  clara under the bed, she made the doctor fuckin' paranoid
11:01 <@Wilpig> I wanna know what was under the damn blanket
11:01 <@Dagmar> She also tampered with his timeline, _again_
11:01 <@Wilpig> that thing you saw for half a second looked kinda like one of the silence
11:01 <@Dagmar> It probably was
11:02 <@oddball> Wilpig: That's what I meant by it falling flat.  There were things that happened that everyone just kind of forgot about before the end of the show.
11:02 <@Wilpig> it wouldn't have run from them though cause they were have just forgotten about it
11:02 <@oddball> hmmm.... maybe
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11:02 <@oddball> Dagmar: Well, that is what that character was created specifically to do.
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11:04 <@Wilpig> other than the open parts of the story I enjoyed the hell out of it.  I've got a feeling we'll be seeing more of that in the next few weeks
11:04 <@Wilpig> they kinda teased that by showing hte farmhouse / barn thing there at the end
11:04 <@oddball> And I want a transcript of his speech on why fear is good.
11:05 <@oddball> Of course, I watched it last night with Naeinko... which meant I had running commentary.  So... I'm going to watch it again in a minute.
11:06 <@Wilpig> oddball: http://justhandmethebook.tumblr.com/post/97435555619/didnt-anyone-ever-tell-you-fear-is-a-superpower
11:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Didn’t anyone ever tell you? Fear is a superpower.... - Queen of the Universe (at justhandmethebook.tumblr.com)
11:06 <@oddball> Thank you!
11:07 <@Wilpig> despite the color it's text
11:07 <@oddball> Oh, I meant the variation that he gave the kid, but this is a good one too.
11:08 <@Wilpig> I bet I can find it.  that was just the first of many
11:08 <@oddball> Probably
11:08 <@Wilpig> http://somecallthisfun.tumblr.com/post/97453325060/let-me-tell-you-about-scared-your-heart-is
11:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Some Call This Fun? (at somecallthisfun.tumblr.com)
11:08 <@oddball> I had no joy when I looked, but that was roughly 20 minutes after it aired in the US.
11:08 <@Wilpig> https://www.tumblr.com/search/doctor+who+fear
11:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: doctor who fear | Tumblr (at www.tumblr.com)
11:10 <@oddball> Ah... that's why.  I was looking for fear when I should have been looking for scared.  Thanks.
11:12 <@Wilpig> Galifray is supposed to be time locked right?
11:13 <@Wilpig> how did clara get there? are the time locks only valid if the safety protocols are in place on the tardis, which the doctor disabled?  or was he not really from galifray directly?
11:15 <@Wilpig> http://doctorwho.tumblr.com/post/97433885041
11:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Official Doctor Who Tumblr (at doctorwho.tumblr.com)
11:22 <@oddball> Wouldn't be the first time the TARDIS decided to say fuck it and ignore time locks.
11:24 <@Dagmar> That was Gallifrey
11:24 <@Dagmar> That was _the_ barn where the War Doctor met with the other two
11:26 <@oddball> yep
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11:59 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ have you seen this? http://boingboing.net/2014/09/13/hacker-puppets-answer-your-que.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29
11:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hacker puppets answer your questions about the net - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net)
12:05 <@Dagmar> Ugh.  Hippies
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12:18 <@SuMo_D> somebody's gotta bring the awesome
12:19 <@Dagmar> There are no "food hackers"
12:19 <@Dagmar> Those people are called 'chefs'.
12:20 <@Dagmar> There's _already_ a word for them
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12:23 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: that food deconstruction shit that they do with science I would consider in the realm of science
12:23 <@Wilpig> err realm of hacking
12:24 <@Dagmar> Yes, but there's a whole bloody industry already surrounding chegs
12:24 <@Dagmar> er chefs
12:25 <@Dagmar> Magazines with glossy covers that do nothing but review their work and pour adolation upon their heads
12:25 <@Dagmar> Recipe books and cooking shows on TV
12:26 <@Wilpig> I'll agree to that
12:27 <@Dagmar> ..and most importantly, there are many, many schools to go to to learn how to become a master chef.
12:27 <@Dagmar> "Hackers" are typically not working in that kind of "known space" environment
12:29 <@Wilpig> http://makezine.com/projects/make-25/sous-vide-immersion-cooker/
12:29 <@Wilpig> Just pointing out there is some overlap, nowhere near as much as people say but there is some
12:30 <@Dagmar> I'd say building that makes you a hacker.  Using it makes you a cook.
12:31 <@SuMo_D> Didn't PN have a food hacking talk last year on beef jerky?
12:31 <@Wilpig> yup
12:32 <@oddball> Dude makes good jerky, but I fucking hate the term "food hacking."
12:33 <@oddball> Making jerky is called "food prep."  Food hacking would be making pop tarts shoot lasers.
12:33 <@Dagmar> oddball++
12:33 <@Dagmar> EXCELLENT idea
12:33 <@SuMo_D> yeah it kinda obnoxious I agree... but I still like the video
12:34 <@Wilpig> He filled a spot on the schedule and it was generally well received because people like jerky.  I stand by it, as loose a fit as it was
12:34 <@oddball> I'll let the term slide for those guys that make edible ballons and "cook" using liquid nitrogen.
12:35 <@oddball> Wilpig: Oh, yeah... I had no issue with him doing a talk about it.  Makes as much sense as the beer brewing panel.  I just hate that specific term.
12:35 <@Dagmar> I tend to think of those people as "maniacs"
12:35 <@oddball> heh
12:35 <@Dagmar> I mean, pouring a 5-gallon bucket of liquid oxygen *on a fire*?
12:36 <@Dagmar> If you fuck that up, you're just ashes.
12:36 <@oddball> Wait... what?!
12:36 <@Dagmar> You've never seen this dude?
12:36 <@oddball> Why would you... I... what?!
12:37 <@Dagmar> Obviously the standard Walgreen's briquet grille can not survive this
12:37 <@Dagmar> But basically, he does it so the coals are ready to cook with in about a minute rather than waiting 20-30 minutes
12:37 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HupyaXuSqMA&index=23&list=UUipJRXiNLE0r2NHIaeLQo5Q
12:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Where Spam Comes From - The Media Show - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:37 <@SuMo_D> this is seriously my new favorite thing of theday
12:37 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjPxDOEdsX8 <-- 100% less grusome
12:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lighting a charcoal grill with liquid oxygen - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:38 <@Dagmar> They _destroy_ a wee cheapo grill in that video
12:38 <@Shadow404> oh yeah, cause thats smart
12:39 <@Shadow404> thats like using acetylene (sp)
12:39 <@Dagmar> Just a bit
12:39 <@Dagmar> http://www.davebarry.com/misccol/charcoal.htm
12:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dave Barry Official Website (at www.davebarry.com)
13:31 <@Wilpig> speaking of jerky.  http://explosm.net/comics/3682/
13:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3682 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
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13:52 <@Wilpig> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-13/caught-tape-uber-xs-latest-driver-deadmau5-taking-fares-his-300000-mclaren-650s
13:52 <@Wilpig> that is bad ass
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15:13 <@SuMo_D> oh hey Dagmar you were right about the PWM messing with the graphics driver... I disabled it and its fine now
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15:31 <@Dagmar> I figured it was probably freaking out the DMA controller
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17:09 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: who uses dma these days unless its auto-configure?
17:14 <@Dagmar> People with Raspberry Pis and Beaglebone Blacks, apparently
17:26 <@Dagmar> THat is a goat wearing a unicorn custume.
17:26 <@Dagmar> THis is the wrong channel.
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCUc8pkRSns  this seems so outrageous
17:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Why Are Employers Stealing BILLIONS From Workers Every Year? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'll have to look into these numbers, b/c they seem so screwy
17:40 <@Dagmar> Wait... you know of people being paid "market" rates?
17:41 <@Dagmar> Opryland was _hellishly_ bad about it
17:42 <@Dagmar> People on the low end of the pay scale are constantly having numbers fudged on them
17:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah it happened to me at suncoast
17:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> we had to take the bank deposit after work, after we clocked out
17:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> a coworker had a lawyer and threatened to sue, so we got 15min added to every night we had closed
17:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> but he was only there b/c he _wanted to_ and enjoyed the job
17:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was salary, so I didn't care, lol
17:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> (salary non-exempt) so I got a little more each hour I worked extra, but 'ehh')
17:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh kkkk.... was there an announcement about this meeting being today?
17:52 <@brimstone> not in irc
17:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> like I'm not being an ass (on purpose, lol) but I'm serious
17:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> B/C I was debating showing up and just listening
18:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> also.. fuck stupid bots or poor people using skype trying to get webcam videos watched
18:18 <@Dagmar> Man
18:18 <@Dagmar> This fucking tool on G+
18:27 <@Dagmar> "The only exception to this is if you are large enough to be your own ISP."
18:30 <@oddball> last meeting reminder in the Google group was in July.
18:31 <@Dagmar> Wasn't that the one I posted?
18:31 <@Dagmar> lol
18:32 <@Dagmar> "It has only been since then that it became decentralised, and you [now] need the connections to multiple network backbones to have full internet use."
18:32 <@Dagmar> I should be allowed to kill people.
18:33 <@Dagmar> How the fuck am I expected to take someone seriously when they say dumb shit like "be your own ISP"
18:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar:  do you have your microwave antenna setup right our own personal BGPs don't seem to be working quite right... Same for oddball
18:37 <@Dagmar> Fuck you
18:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
18:38 <@Dagmar> Seriously, this fucker started off by saying Ted Stevens was giving correct information
18:38 <@Dagmar> ...and this is was specifically the "series of tubes" shit he was talking about
18:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> in a overly broad sense ... sure... he had a somewhat understanding... but he was visualizing it too much like water-plumbing and not understanding the infrastructure involved
18:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> but his argument was anti-net-neutrality
18:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> that we shouldn't have "other" services messing with his email
18:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> and probably gay porn... since he was a republican sen.
18:44 <@oddball> Dagmar: Any knowledge of if they announced the planning meeting at the monthly 2600 meeting?
18:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> he left when dru said he smoked too much pot, and hasn't helped the org in the past 10 years... and drove off the women last time at JJs
18:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> and honestly, I was only half paying attention to the drivel they were saying... b/c they had all these grandiose plans, and none of them are valid so far... that I can tell
18:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> they 'updated' the site, but no new speakers are listed
18:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> also ... [We use vulnerability scanning and/or scanning to PCI standards.]
18:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually https://phreaknic.info/policies a lot of these are kinda amusing... lol
18:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Policies | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
18:50 <@oddball> Ah, didn't realize Dagmar stormed off at that point.  Can't blame him.
18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, if I had actually been insulted by what he said I probably would have too, b/c he included me in the reason the women left... but it was so silly to me... that I was laughing instead of getting pisseed
18:53 <@oddball> So... he's officially gone of the fucking deep end.
18:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much...
18:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats what really pissed dag off so much
18:55 <@oddball> At this point, I'm really thinking about saying "fuck it" and not going.
18:55 <@oddball> I've got invites to do other shit that weekend.
18:56 <@Dagmar> oddball: I've not wanted to say it, but it certainly seems like precisely the deep end.
18:57 <@oddball> Oh, I'm willing to scream that he's bat shit at this point.
19:05 <@oddball> I'm also trying real hard to find a reason to show up to the con besides inertia.
19:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> part of me wants to see if there is a ball pit
19:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> because thats probably why I'd show up, that and to see how many people get annoyed with a certain drunkard crazypants
19:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> and... if she is sleeping in dru's room that night....
19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> and yes... I went there...
19:22 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: ahh cool hadn't seen that. Figures Gus is doing that.
19:22 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you know there actually is a guy who calls himself the Food Hacker
19:23 <@SuMo_D> lol I told you B and G met her at HOPE right and said that we were similar
19:23 < aestetix_> haha
19:23 < aestetix_> figures
19:23 <@SuMo_D> :)
19:24 <@SuMo_D> it was funny cause just a few days before I left B was like... dude... there's so nobody out there like you, and I was like... meh... just not in SC and then they met Gus
19:26 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: it appears the CFS is closed
19:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://phreaknic.info/call-papers ?
19:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Call for Papers | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
19:27 < aestetix_> Or it just went away
19:27 < aestetix_> how did you find that
19:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> why would you leave up redirect pages to pages that existed before?
19:27 < aestetix_> oh I see
19:27 < aestetix_> "participate -> present"
19:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> up at the top, participate -> present
19:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
19:33 < aestetix_> http://learnforeverlearn.com/usbudget/
19:46 <@Shadow404> i see no speakers still
19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://phreaknic.info/program
19:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Program | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> have to click on 'program'
19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c "speakers" is just a decoy for nuubs like you
19:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
19:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> but seriously... this is the _updated_ page... that still fucking hides info
19:57 <@SuMo_D> that's sad
19:57 <@SuMo_D> its sad its just hiding so sad
19:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
19:58 < aestetix_> so question
19:58 < aestetix_> what kinds of ID does the federal government issue besides SSN and passport?
19:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> Military IDss
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> Fed. agency IDs
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20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> Prisoner IDs
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> (though thats more of just a number/etc)
20:00 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ the call for papers is open when I looked it up?
20:00 < aestetix_> what about for a regular citizen?
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: he had the old link
20:00 <@SuMo_D> ah
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> which... of course broke
20:00 <@SuMo_D> ah
20:01 <@SuMo_D> or should I put ha?
20:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> none really
20:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> there are laws preventing them from doing so
20:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c people fear 'bar codes' for every citizen
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why we can't have a 'US drivers ID'
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> or US ID in general
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20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> SSN cards specifically state they are not to be used as identification
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> except they are in every fucking place in the US that has to do with money
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20:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: it's also because of this thing called states
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20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is nothing preventing states from allowing the federal government to use their own IDs, or vice versa
20:04 < aestetix_> actually
20:04 < aestetix_> when you get a SS card
20:04 < aestetix_> who owns it
20:05 < aestetix_> is it yours, or is it considered government property
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20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'the card' itself
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> yours
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> i think
20:05 < aestetix_> then why can't you laminate it
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> you could...
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that allowed easier fraud
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they stopped letting you
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20:07 <@oddball> As far as national ID goes, there's already the US passport and border card.
20:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> I honestly think everyone should have a citizen ID/ID #, would help with a lot of things like illegal immigration and other things, one separate from SSN
20:08 <@oddball> And yeah... One of the provisions of Social Security getting passed in the '30's was that the SS number wouldn't be used as a general ID number.  Gee... that lasted a real long time.
20:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that'll _never_ happen for now
20:08 <@oddball> The SSN pretty much acts as that now.
20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I know
20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> but we don't have a photo SS card, etc
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20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> which would stop most illegal immigration, (if the employer was forced to use it)
20:09 <@oddball> Of course, this also brings up the question I've had for a long time.  How is the idea of requiring a state issued photo ID for people to vote racist?
20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, illegal employment
20:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: its been proven to not be, 'in theory', but 'in practice' yes
20:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> so the same applies, we'd need to make it easy to get the IDs
20:10 <@oddball> TN already hands them out for free.
20:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> I said _easy_ not just _free_
20:11 <@oddball> And how is that an infringment of our rights for voting, but having to have one plus paying various fees to excersice other rights not a violation?
20:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> but since that'll almost never be done, b/c it would require us to give a damn about poor people in our country
20:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> we'll be sticking with what we have
20:12 <@oddball> See... it's not that difficult.  Does it take a little bit of time at the DMV? yes, but it's not difficult.
20:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> what rights do you have to pay a fee for? and don't say concealed carry
20:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c thats not a 'right'
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20:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> gun ownership is, concealing it in public isn't
20:13 <@oddball> carry period.
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20:14 <@oddball> And purchasing of a new firearm requires ID and additional fees.
20:15 <@oddball> Hell, in some states, you have to have a license that you have to continuously update at your cost to legally own a firearm.
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20:16 <@oddball> And... uh... how can you bare an arm if you can't carry it?
20:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> do you have the right to 'bare' an arm in public?
20:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> Not being an ass, serious question
20:18 <@oddball> According to the courts? yes.
20:18 <@oddball> And I would have to agree.  A right should extend past your front door.
20:19 <@oddball> example: freedom of speech only in your own home ain't freedom of speech.
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20:38 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: So... I guess that means I have to ask you the same thing.  Do you believe that the "bare" part only counts on your property?
20:39 <@Dagmar> B-E-A-R.
20:39 <@oddball> Sorry, thanks for the correction.
20:39 <@Dagmar> I firmly believe that every man has a right to at least two armed bears.
20:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> ^ but armed penguins are more adaptable
20:40 <@Dagmar> So long as you don't ask them to walk without tripping.
20:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends on the penguin species actually
20:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
20:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> some can even tap dance -_-
20:41 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but _most_ of them are Nature's Own Weebles.
20:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6w0r-ScEG4
20:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Yogi Bear Parody: "Booboo Kills Yogi" ending - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> and we all know how well armed bears turns out
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20:54 <@Dagmar> I see that apparently my playstyle with Fire Emblem is just radically different from the way the kiddies play
20:54 <@Dagmar> I was looking up what the difference was between the Second Seal and Master Seal and I see all these people trying to get Master Seals through StreetPass and couldn't figure out why
20:54 <@Dagmar> There's a bloody vendor who sells them
20:55 <@Dagmar> Two so far I've seen actually
20:55 <@Dagmar> I'm having trouble getting the sparkly _ground spawns_ on the map because quite often, the entire enemy team rushes up on me and _dies_ too quickly.
20:56 <@Dagmar> Formations == WIN.
20:56 <@Dagmar> Also... reforging items for more whammo.
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21:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> has it become the "Story of Frederick" ? lol
21:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> his counter/etc became kinda annoying b/c it killed everyone :/ no exp for others... lol
21:17 <@Dagmar> Actually, I stopped using him awhile back
21:17 <@Dagmar> Now everyone else in in their advanced class
21:17 <@Dagmar> Even the little blonde pincushion is chopping Risen in half with an axe now.
21:25 <@Dagmar> I suspect those kiddies didn't realize it's probably better to postpone that first class change until a character hits 20.
21:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s458/OpossumGuy/Frederick_zps8998260e.jpg hahaha
21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: yeah, jesus... everyone who played pokemon should know that by pikachu alone... lol
21:28 <@Dagmar> That image si about right
21:28 <@Dagmar> I suspect the weapon triangle is not affecting combat nearly as much as it should if I can still one-shot most of the risen without even caring
21:58 <@oddball> http://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2014/09/ferrets-love-playing-in-packing-peanuts.html
21:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tastefully Offensive: Ferrets Go Nuts Playing in a Box of Packing Peanuts (at www.tastefullyoffensive.com)
22:05 <@Bahhumbug> Umm, that speaker's list reads like a whose not list.
22:17 <@oddball> I was thinking that Fearless Leader stated that he had secured .com, .org, and .net
22:34 < aestetix_> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRS_LOST_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-09-05-15-47-22
22:35 < aestetix_> "IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees "
22:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> who the else thinks its a bad idea for government employee emails to be ONLY stored in one fucking place
22:54 <@oddball> Oh... that's simple.  They're lying.
22:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig said that the person sitting on .com wanted something like 500$ or more
22:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> so if they DID spend the org money on that... then they are just wasting money
22:55 < aestetix_> oddball: the first step to getting a security clearance is to lie about your drug use.
22:56 < aestetix_> So it makes sense that the entire fucking system is built in lies.
22:56 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Oh, I know that... It's just that I could have sworn I heard him say that he was able to get the domains back.  I even asked him to clarify that statement.
22:58 <@oddball> aestetix_: Yep.  And, unfortunately, the US government is unwilling to throw it's own in jail for destruction of evidence in an ongoing case, perjury, or contempt of congress/court.
23:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> we set the president with Nixon
23:00 < aestetix_> yep
23:00 < aestetix_> the pardon, you mean?
23:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but precedent*
23:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> mid to late 70s is when a lot of that started happening
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I honestly don't think its corruption, so much as ineptitude of statisticians and economists when it comes to file backup
23:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> the _policy_ that their emails should be _archived_ on their personal laptops... is fucking stupid
23:03 <@oddball> I have a very hard time believing that the fucking IRS doesn't do periodic long term backups of their email servers that contain those emails.
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> they don't
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats the problem
23:04 <@oddball> They *say* they don't.
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> i completely agree its hard to believe, but I listened to the congressional hearing on it
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
23:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
23:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> now... the NSA...
23:05 <@oddball> Here's the thing.  They've already been proven to be lying bastards.
23:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats another issue entirely
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23:39 < aestetix_> At this point the entire federal government seems to be acting a bit like a chicken running around with its head cut off.
23:39 <@Bahhumbug> "At this point"?
23:39 <@Bahhumbug> Where have you been for the past few years?
23:41 < aestetix_> Heh.
23:41 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: when do you think it started?
23:43  * Bahhumbug shrugs
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23:45 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: our education system at work: http://imgur.com/PSg377x
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