--- Log opened Thu Sep 11 00:00:45 2014
00:11 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw
00:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: General Wesley Clark tells of how Middle East destabilization was planned as far back as 1991 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly "iraq" is a joke construct
00:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> almost all of the nations in that region were just 'made up' after WWI
00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> I honestly don't consider myself much else politically than a "pragmatist" rather than leaning left or right... and we're fucked... :/ lol
00:25 <@Dagmar> So...
00:25 <@Dagmar> Let me get this straight...
00:25 <@Dagmar> There was a time in our lifetime when the Middle East was considered stable in the first place?
00:30 <@eryc> we need another Sykes-Picot Agreement
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar 'our' lifetimes, no
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> but before WWI, yeah actually
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> ottoman empire wasn't nearly as bad as what the middle east is right now
00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> muslims were '1st class citizens' but non-muslims were still 'valuable citizens'
00:37 <@Dagmar> Yes.
00:37 <@Dagmar> There was a period of time when the Muslims werne't dicks.
00:37 <@Dagmar> They were actually some of the most progressive people in the world.
00:38 <@Dagmar> They had architecture, commerce, and made great strides in maths and sciences
00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> turkey in particular went and saved 1000s of jews from Spain b/c the spanish were stupid and wanted to kill all of them
00:38 <@Dagmar> You can make the argument that science and culture flourish _only_ when religion isn't fucking things up
00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> have you seen the neil degrass tyson speech about that?
00:38 <@Dagmar> They fucked it all up, and now look at them
00:39 <@Dagmar> Living in fuckin mud huts and deserts
00:39 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Nope
00:39 <@Dagmar> I jsut did a lot of research when I was in college
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7rR8stuQfk
00:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Neil deGrasse Tyson - 2006 Beyond Belief: Science, Reason, Religion & Survival - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is the long version
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is a 10min version too
00:39 <@Dagmar> Everywhere religions have been permissive, even if they've been a bit wacky, PROGRESS
00:40 <@Dagmar> WHen religion clamps down on things, far more than even a political change, _regression_
00:40 <@Dagmar> Crusades?  DARK AGES
00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> @22:00 ish, he starts his 'naming rights' discussion
00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i'd watch all of it if you have time
00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> great talk
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, Dagmar you're going to want to look into Docker containers, b/c I forsee them changing things dramatically and docker being eventually imported directly into the kernel, or an OS at least
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> it makes installation and deployment of software _so_ much faster easier than other other highly customizable methods, and as easy/fast as  even apt-get, etc
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus full sand boxing at the kernel level of all software... nice, lol
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> probably not going to be 'huge' for desktop OS for a while, but I can't see hosting providers/etc not using it, it just makes too much sense
00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> basically just an easy to use VPS setup... *shrugs* nothing 'revolutionary' about it techwise, just an elegant mixing of tools/practices/etc to make it easy/useful/etc
01:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'm aware of dockers
01:02 <@Dagmar> Have been for awhile
01:02 <@Dagmar> They don't fit my personal use case because I'm not trying to isolate an application into a single container
01:03 <@Dagmar> virtd is supposed to be able to use them in the latest iteration but I've not had a need
01:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I don't see them being ideal for deskop usage quite yet, b/c they don't support anything with a UI without x forwarding or rdesktop/etc
01:04 <@Dagmar> They're useful for someone who might be running _thousands_ of instances of something, or maybe 'hundreds'
01:04 <@Dagmar> My use case... maybe, *maybe* 'dozens'.
01:05 <@Dagmar> The "overhead" of the superfluous "operating system" just isn't enough to care
01:06 <@Dagmar> Someone doing colocation of apache... they can use that
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
01:07 <@Dagmar> Vanderbilt?  Nope.
01:07 <@Dagmar> Can't use it
01:07 <@Dagmar> Their use cases are psychotic
01:07 <@Dagmar> The _least_ fucked up side of the house, EAI, follows a model where they're running the virtual hosts as a service
01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> we're looking using it for simulations ans emulations
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> spinning up a could hundred android emulators (which can be a bitch to get 2x running on the same OS sometimes)
01:08 <@Dagmar> The customers are allowed to use their VMs, but they are not the admins, and they're only allowed very limited use of sudo because basically, if the server crashes because of "our" stuff, it's our fault
01:08 <@Dagmar> If the server crashes because the customer's app went berzerk, well... that's still partly EAI's fault but the primary fault goes to the customer
01:08 <@Dagmar> Obviously the systems are hardened against the customers
01:09 <@Dagmar> The customers themselves tend to be _really_ special
01:09 <@Dagmar> Case example: One of them had an Oracle problem that involved some process basically carping about missing fds
01:10 <@Dagmar> *I'm* pretty sure this was caused by communication with a child process that died and they didn't catch it properly, or more likely a tempfail elsewhere resulting in a filehandle actually being closed, adn the app ignoring it and continuing to try to read and write to it
01:10 <@Dagmar> Either way. they went to Oracle, and since you couldn't tell anything really more than "the fd it was trying to use doesn't exist anymore", you or I might think... "Let's do some debuggnig and find out"
01:10 <@Dagmar> These cats?  No.
01:11 <@Dagmar> They went to Oracle and Oracle said "Well, we really don't support restricting the Oracle process so we recommend changing the fd limit to 65535."
01:11 <@Dagmar> *blinkblink*
01:11 <@Dagmar> Do the admins want *any* process able to eat _all_ the file descriptors on the host?
01:11 <@Dagmar> FUck no
01:12 <@Dagmar> With vendors combined with application users being together, about as smart as turnips, you can't use docker
01:12 <@Dagmar> The vendor would just freak the fuck out
01:13 <@Dagmar> We had vendors that would refuse to support their app on anything but RHEL 5.3
01:13  * RangerZ|Laptop cringes
01:13 <@Dagmar> They tend to manage to have a new "supported" release, about three to six months after the last RHEL release they certified was already EOL
01:13 <@Dagmar> I shit you not.
01:14 <@Dagmar> They will probably never be doing a RHEL 7 build because they still don't have a RHEL 6 build.
01:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:15 <@Dagmar> These places trying to pack 100 Minecraft server instances on one box, they can use Dockers
01:15 <@Dagmar> Dreamhost can almost certainly use them if they're not using them already
01:16 <@Dagmar> Anything like fully manageable (byt the customer) VM hosting... nope.
01:16 <@Dagmar> People who want to roll their own mods into the distro on their vhost will need a whole VM
01:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> the docker host can set limits on resource utilization
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> network, disc, cpu, ram, etc
01:17 <@Dagmar> Considering that ulimit can do that, I should damn well hope so
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> it used lxc/crgoups, now its own libraries, but yeah
01:18 <@Dagmar> You can't have any sort of partioning worth a shit if you can't keep one container from eating the whole box
01:19 <@Dagmar> Like, one of those ways you can get a tempfail that will cause fd's to give you their resignation postit and disappear, is when say, someone's jacked up query causes oracle to go completely apeshit on a NAS-attached storage and generate fourteen million IOPS in three seconds
01:20 <@Dagmar> ...which prompts the NAS to start sending back "WTF" signals in response to requests, or worse yet, STOP responding
01:20 <@Dagmar> This is very bad since the system is supposed to be pretending that's local disks
01:20 <@Dagmar> s/million/jillion/
01:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol yeah
01:21 <@Dagmar> "SAN" is probably wrong there but alphabet soup
01:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> also http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?sid=rwby&v=more
01:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently they post them there first
01:22 <@Dagmar> Dees is why I read news.ycombinator
01:22 <@Dagmar> YEah 2-6 wasn't on YouTube yet but it was on RoosterTeeth
01:23 <@Dagmar> I saw people talking about dockers like three years ago so I looked into it
01:23 <@Dagmar> ..on news.y
01:24 <@Dagmar> Despite being the result of a local free service for an incubator, they work more or less like reddit, sans cat pictures and bullshit
01:24 <@Dagmar> At least once a day you'll see some very high-level stuff posted
01:24 <@Dagmar> Physics, math, numebr theory, crypto, not necessarily compsci even sometimes
01:25 <@Dagmar> They're kind of science-obsessed
01:34 <@Dagmar> LOL
01:34 <@Dagmar> I like seeing Tyson talk about Newton
01:35 <@Dagmar> "OMG SOSMART!"
01:35 <@Dagmar> "SUCH WOW"
01:35 <@Dagmar> "VERY GENIUS"
01:35 <@Dagmar> ...or at least I get the impression he feels that no matter what he says, he'll be understating it like that
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01:41 <@Dagmar> I like how he's sort of basically proposing that brilliant scientists are essentially identifying to successively greater degrees that which is _not_ the creation of a god
01:42 <@Dagmar> "at the extent of human knowledge"
01:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'god of the gaps' idea
01:42 <@Dagmar> Yep
01:43 <@Dagmar> The only way we find these things out 'tho is by saying, "Hmm... maybe not"
01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> google de searched itself
01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:44 <@Dagmar> People trying to push intelligent design in schools are basically radically shrinking that space and essentially rejects things that science has already proven, isn't a divine construct
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats the point
01:44 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Yeah I think that hoster's SEO games backfired on them
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have a couple ideas of what the future will hold, when it comes to over-arching science and politics... and ignoring WW3 or nukes going off... I suspect that we'll see a concentration of religion in the middle east, and the rest of the world will be like "hahaha they are the new West Virgina"
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:46 <@Dagmar> lol
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c the religious are going to want to move there
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> and thankfully its centralized enough around an area of the world that has no other use
01:47 <@Dagmar> Well, I would *like* to think that at some point even the religious people realize it's basically a children's story
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> oil is about it...and if we stop the need for that... then YAY
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:48 <@Dagmar> You can believe it like the story of Little Red Riding Hood is "believed" by children, or Santa Claus is believed in by children, but you *know* it's just a story to make you feel better
01:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> 1 fucking shippment back from Europa would be more oil than is under Saudia Arabia... if we _need_ it
01:48 <@Dagmar> ...and then maybe they'll get over the idea that they should KILL PEOPLE because they were saying Santa isn't real
01:49 <@Dagmar> lol
01:50 <@Dagmar> I just got to the bit where we find out that Neil doesn't quite know about the internet
01:50 <@Dagmar> hehe
01:50 <@Dagmar> Clearly the guy can use it, but well, it's not a network engineer and it would be unreasonable for him to know quite that about DNS in practice
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, but the point is overall valid
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> we don't have to use .us , lol
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
01:52 <@Dagmar> Cuz yeah when that started up we were using a lot of bangpath
01:53 <@Dagmar> I remember typing in routing instructions in the To: field
01:53 <@Dagmar> lol there's the dates
01:53 <@Dagmar> 800 - 1100
01:54 <@Dagmar> I remember being in the MTSU library looking at book after book timelining that
01:54 <@Dagmar> LIke, why the fuck did the Western world kick ass for awhile, then _stop_, and then the Middle East ran past it like it was standing still
01:54 <@Dagmar> Freaking god botherers running the show is why
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
01:56 <@Dagmar> DUring those shifts you find *tons* of items about people doing science being attacked by religious leaders because it would be in some way pretending man was better than god, since they would tread right into the space other people felt was "proof" of god
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> and china kinda just 'stopped' for a long time
01:56 <@Dagmar> Like, shitloads of them
02:37 <@Bahhumbug> Of course he wants the domains.  He can thus control more avenues of communication and shut down what's going on currently on the mailing list.
02:38 <@Bahhumbug> Frankly I am shocked it took him this long to move ahead with that.
02:40 < aestetix_> God I hate fauxminists.
02:48 < aestetix_> I was at an event where people were sharing sex stories.... and someone's story was about rape.
02:48 < aestetix_> (their own rape experience)
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02:49 < aestetix_> And it prompted about a dozen idiot fauxminists to complaint to the organize that they had been triggered
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02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> then you should be 'pro feminist' and defend her right to not be silenced
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> best way to fight terrorists is to use their argument and be better at it than them
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> works in squabbles like that too
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03:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> its what countries like saudi arabia do to 'de-jihadize' terrorists from there
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> it uses _better_ more convincing religious arguements
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> saying how a 'valid' (priest, b/c I don't know how to spell imhmam right) hasn't declared jihad, so what they were doing isn't right
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> the trick is doing it quick enough to catch them off gaurd, lo
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> guard* lol*
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03:44 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: agreed
03:44 < aestetix_> I'm in favor of someone being able to share their rape story
03:45 < aestetix_> If you don't like it, leave the room
03:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> fine, if they want to announce that they are doing before hand... sure... tell people... hell even a "triggers" announcement
03:49 < aestetix_> the first sentence of her speech was "this is about rape"
03:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> oh jesus christ... could you imagine the 'warning triggers' list we'd have to put for PN or this channel
03:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> Triggers: "Midget Porn"
03:50 < aestetix_> lol
03:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> Triggers: "RegEx: *.*"
03:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> I saw a 'triggers' section on a web article for the first time a little while ago
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> about gamergate and how it was nothing but women hating
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> had one saying 'misogyny' or something
03:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> I swear I almost think they are self-parody sometimes
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05:14 <@Bahhumbug> Jesus christ... this is actually a thing?
05:14 <@Bahhumbug> http://node-os.com/
05:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Node OS (at node-os.com)
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05:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... i saw that shit...
05:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> and here ... I thought a docker(or docker-like) OS might pop up
05:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> that seems a least fucking useful in _some_ way, this... i dunno... I don't actually get the point
05:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah.... node is kinda cool... in that you don't have to setup apache youself... and what not... but... why...
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05:57 < aestetix_> node os
05:57 < aestetix_> please tell me that's not based in node.js
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> no bach or anything
05:57 < aestetix_> so it's creating an operating system, in a programming language... that's parsed through another operating system?
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> it runs only 'node'
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
05:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> runs in a docker container only on ubuntu64
05:58 < aestetix_> what's the point of that
05:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> e-penis
05:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
06:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually... its a 'similar' idea to what I was talking about 'docker oriented' os... its someone got an idea and thought it would be cool 'if' this happened
06:01 < aestetix_> I can think of a bunch of reasons why it shouldn't
06:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> and too many people under the age of 30 not realizing that 'there is a reason this is the way it is right now'
06:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> be as liberal as you want, but learn WHY someone wasn't changing
06:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I mean in 'ideas' not politics
06:02 < aestetix_> right
06:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> android uses a VM to run each app... but it uses custom byte code, NOT JVM
06:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> there are _reasons_ for that
06:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> "Node.js is a cross-platform runtime environment for server-side and networking applications. Node.js applications are written in JavaScript, and can be run within the Node.js runtime on OS X, Microsoft Windows and Linux with no changes."
06:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> if he was writing a legit linux kernel for nothing BUT nodejs... then great
06:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> but fucking docker ontop of ubuntu... GFTO
06:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> I would actually applaud him if it was a OS (hell even use docker) that was for servers only, with no UI, etc
06:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you are going to use docker... then why bother with anything other than the /nodejs container
06:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry 'dockerfile/nodejs' container that already exists
06:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> I literally don't see a difference other than some marketing/branding, custom domain
06:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> and this is someone using a nodejs docker instance right now https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/lphoward/webgme/ on my laptop
06:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: lphoward/webgme Repository | Docker Hub Registry - Repositories of Docker Images (at registry.hub.docker.com)
06:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> ^great meta-modeling tool, but not for the faint of heart to get started with
06:24 < aestetix_> ignotus-sdf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi
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07:12 < aestetix_> holy shit
07:12 < aestetix_> http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/politics/carney-mccain-isis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
07:12 < aestetix_> an actual political argument on CNN
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07:25 < aestetix_> ohhh uber
07:25 < aestetix_> http://valleywag.gawker.com/lawsuit-uber-refuses-blind-customers-shoved-service-d-1633153653/+laceydonohue
07:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:38  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
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07:52 <@ignotus-sdf> She didn't last a full 3 minutes.
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08:58 <@Wilpig_> alright.  I'm still debating this nas thing.  reading this shit about synology nas appliances getting infected with random shit that mined up dogecoin, others like this one about it supposedly encrypting files and trying to ransom them back.  http://www.techpowerup.com/203773/synology-diskstation-manager-infected-with-a-cryptolocker-hack.html
08:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Synology DiskStation Manager Infected with a CryptoLocker Hack | techPowerUp (at www.techpowerup.com)
08:58 <@Wilpig_> what's the deal there?  were these things opened to the net somehwere?  virus got on a pc behind the firewall and went after them?  or did they pull something down from synology directly?  the details on this shit are super light
09:01 <@Wilpig_> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8128521
09:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: My Synology NAS has been hacked by ransomware calling itself Synolocker | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
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09:04 <@ignotus-sdf> The "she" I was referring to was the video link "she", not klixa.
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10:59 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
11:01 <@Wilpig_> no shapr, bad shapr
11:01  * shapr hugs Wilpig_ 
11:04 <@Wilpig_> I curse you and all your line to the end of time
11:05 <@shapr> psh
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11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: wouldn't that mean just shapr themselves then?
11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://editorial.autos.msn.com/cadillac-to-offer-nearly-autonomous-car-by-2017-1
11:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cadillac to offer nearly autonomous car by 2017 - MSN Autos (at editorial.autos.msn.com)
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11:19 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: ...  so... i've won?  EXCELLENT!
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11:20 <@ignotus-sdf> If they can every other auto manufacturer to do that, Top Gear is gone.
11:21 <@shapr> bah
11:21 < Warcop> Sounds interesting.. until the GPS/maps are wrong and keep ending up at the wrong place
11:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> I like the quote that "it is only a glitch in history that cars came before computers, so we'll wonder why we ever let humans drive a car"
11:21 <@ignotus-sdf> That will be fun to watch. Especially when the nice tall building routes to an open field.
11:23 < Warcop> I'd like to see an autonomous car navigate getting off on International in downtown Atlanta in the middle of rush hour
11:23 <@brimstone> or anywhere downtown
11:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> they won't rely upon gps, they will use it sure, but they will have to use lidar to create 3d mappings of the car's space, so as long as it has a DB of mapping info, then it can create an overlay of where its been to figure out where it is at
11:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> the car has handled rush out in san fran
11:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> at least googles
11:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> and GMs is specifically only for turnpikes
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I want my damn hover boards which were promised to me by back to the future....
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I'll settle for self-driving cars, hehe
11:26 <@ignotus-sdf> oh, yeah. That will end up well. "Well, Bob, we've seen every place you've ever driven this car."
11:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> and you think google navigation doesn't already do that?
11:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:30 <@ignotus-sdf> It does. Which is why I don't have it.
11:30 < Warcop> yeah. /locationhistory
11:32 <@ignotus-sdf> Seriously. I don't keep Apple or Android on my person, and my FFOS doesn't have data on. I also tend to keep it in it's nice little "tinfoil hat" pouch.
11:35 <@ignotus-sdf> None of this prepares you for a cop on a segway, however.
11:41 <@ignotus-sdf> http://www.thenation.com/article/181398/can-monasteries-be-model-reclaiming-tech-culture-good
11:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Can Monasteries Be a Model for Reclaiming Tech Culture for Good? | The Nation (at www.thenation.com)
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12:18 < Warcop> how long before schools implement sock tubes with metal detector controls
12:18 < Warcop> school lockdown in Norcross.. jeez
12:22 <@Wilpig_> Warcop: sock tubs with metal detector controls?  wha?  are you writing spam now?
12:32 < Warcop> glass barrier turnstile with metal detection
12:35 < Warcop> not sure where I picked up the sock tube term
12:37 <@Wilpig_> a few years after I was out of highschool where I went they bought metal detectors for the main doors
13:07 <@Dagmar> http://i.imgur.com/yvCOwXX.jpg
13:07 <@Wilpig_> wow.  someone should be buying a lottery ticket
13:08 <@Dagmar> ...or new underwear.
13:11 <@oddball> Embrace the power of "and."
13:11 <@Wilpig_> ^
13:16 < aestetix_> holy shit
13:17 < aestetix_> 9/11 is not plastered all over CNN
13:17 <@Dagmar> oddball: lol
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13:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> I dunno if I agree with the premise of the unMonastery article, but interesting idea either way
13:36 <@Dagmar> Looks like it's time to go buy more smokes
13:36 <@Dagmar> I'm still running about 4 hours before I start thinking the world would be better off without some people in it
13:37 < aestetix_> Jesus fucking christ.
13:37 < aestetix_> I met Dan Savage last night, and he was really nice. So I posted something on twitter saying as much.
13:37 <@Dagmar> lol
13:37 < aestetix_> Within minutes someone replied to me basically questioning it.
13:37 < aestetix_> Fucking tone police.
13:38 <@oddball> This one of those "how dare you say someone that says something I disagree with is not a complete asshole" things?
13:38 < aestetix_> Yes.
13:38 < aestetix_> So the big trend in san francisco these days
13:39 < aestetix_> Saying "tranny" is worse than saying "nigger"
13:39 < aestetix_> You have to say "trans"
13:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: from what I can tell, he's a nice guy, you might hate gays, but then just fuck off
13:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:39 <@Dagmar> I'll settle for just ignoring them entirely.
13:39 < aestetix_> Dan Savage recently took a huge amount of grief for saying the word "tranny" in a public talk
13:40 < aestetix_> And he refused to not say it.
13:40 < aestetix_> Which I thought was admirable.
13:40 <@Dagmar> Until they come up with a coherent reason explaining their position, fuck it
13:41 < aestetix_> Right.
13:41 < aestetix_> He grew up in the era when everyone said tranny
13:41 <@Dagmar> If they can't accept the fact that the speaker's motive and intent matters, then they should shut the fuck up and go away
13:41 < aestetix_> And now because he continues to say it, they call him transphobic
13:41 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, NO ONE gets to say 'nigger', ever again
13:42 < aestetix_> And apparently because I said he was a nice guy, I have endorsed using the word tranny
13:42 < aestetix_> Which I actually do, but that's beside the point.
13:42 <@Wilpig_> I cite that stupid video / song that says it a million times as proof it's just a word
13:42 <@Dagmar> There is that
13:43 < aestetix_> But yeah. These fucking tone police are starting to get really annoying.
13:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> I don't agree that "we can say this word, but you cant" so far, that mainly responds to the N-word but I'm starting to see the theory that 'that' rule should apply to words like 'tranny' etc
13:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've asked a black friend to explain the logic of that idea to me, and he's never convinced me...
13:45 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: it's a power play
13:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and since moving down here... I don't meet any black people (other than at walmart... and I'm not going to talk to ANYONE at walmart)
13:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> I spend all day surrounded by 'minorities' , just not many blacks
13:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I agree somewhat, but I always try to give the benefit of the doubt to individuals
13:47 <@Dagmar> The people who come out with that stupid double-standard about the word 'nigger' seem hell-bent on their own self-destruction
13:47 < aestetix_> "In June 2014 during seminar at the University of Chicago on social media, Savage discussed his past use of the word "tranny". He objected to a student's request he use the phrase “T-slur” instead and gave examples of other slurs. Some students criticized him for trying to make the student feel threatened and uncomfortable."
13:47 <@Dagmar> Oh wait I remember that
13:48 < notfie--> granny tranny
13:48 < aestetix_> I'm pretty sure that's why someone just called me out
13:48 <@Dagmar> They actually tried to complain to the administration and claim he deliberately made them feel threatened
13:48 < aestetix_> And this is why people call millennials self-absorbed
13:48 <@Dagmar> ...which is a load of shit because of the nature of the conversation itself.
13:48 < notfie--> a transmission with a 1/2 gear to start out in where you don't have to press the gass
13:48 <@Dickie> gasssssssssssssssssssss
13:48  * Dickie explodes
13:48 <@Dagmar> Fun on ice
13:48 < notfie--> gasoline
13:48 <@oddball> Some folks need to learn what it truly means to be threatened.
13:49 <@Dagmar> Ooo ooo!
13:49 <@Dagmar> I can help with that
13:49 < notfie--> huff the petrol
13:49 <@Dickie> Sharia don't like it!
13:49 <@Dickie> huff the petrol
13:49 <@Dickie> huff the petrol
13:49 <@Dagmar> Dickie: After the end of this month, creepers will no longer explode
13:49 < aestetix_> oddball: agreed
13:49 <@oddball> Example: For some reason, folks seem to feel threatened when I smile at them.  No clue why. :p
13:49 <@Dickie> They will if you buy the DLC
13:50 <@Dagmar> They're simply going to turn blue and make you relog.
13:50 < aestetix_> oddball: you're a man. Therefore, you're a rapist.
13:50 < notfie--> http://i.imgur.com/izrWT9T.png straight from the tap
13:51 < notfie--> DLC ruins games
13:51 < notfie--> either it was a shit game to begin with or it was stripped down so they can rip you off
13:51 < notfie--> if it's not good enough on its own then fuck it
13:52 <@oddball> aestetix_: Oh... right.  Forgot about that.
13:53 < aestetix_> But yeah. San Francisco has become one of the most intolerant places, in the name of tolerance.
13:53 < notfie--> RangerZ|Laptop, they're talking about nigga/er in the discordian channel
13:54 <@Dagmar> There's a Discordian channel
13:54 <@Dagmar> ?
13:54 < aestetix_> is it #haileris
13:55 < notfie--> irc.maddshark.com/7029
13:55 < notfie--> ssl
13:55 < notfie--> #discord
13:55 <@Dagmar> meh.
13:55 <@Dagmar> Too much work
13:56 < aestetix_> actually you know what it is
13:56 < aestetix_> this fucking PC tone police stuff has become like fashion trends
13:56 < notfie--> Set it and forget it! RonCo™
13:57 < aestetix_> Saying "trans" instead of "tranny" is like wearing the right tshit
13:59 <@Dagmar> No, it's just that the PC attention-whoring is starting to catch on
13:59 <@Dagmar> This is a trend we should kill with fire.
13:59 < notfie--> aestetix_, that's my preferred nomenclature
14:00 < notfie--> because I'm sure as shit am not going to waste valuable mouth movements on having to say transgendered and or transexual
14:01 < notfie--> But it's whatever
14:01 < notfie--> trans tranny
14:01 < notfie--> it's all queer to me and that's ok
14:01 <@Dagmar> It's just such ridiculous bullshit
14:01 <@Dagmar> It's reasonable to demand to be treated like a person
14:02 <@Dagmar> It's not reasonable to ignore intent, and not just that but to _fabricate_ ill-intention, just so that you can maintain your status as a poor, oppressed person
14:02 <@Dagmar> Fuck that
14:03 < notfie--> haha
14:03 < notfie--> <enkiv2> it would be an instance of hofstadter's second law: any organization designed to solve a problem will inevitably perpetuate that problem in order to maintain its own existence
14:04 <@Dagmar> Ooo very good
14:04 < notfie--> <enkiv2> it would in fact exacerbate it, because you'd get the organization encouraging the use of slurs in order to fill its own coffers
14:06 < notfie--> cuts to the heart
14:06 < notfie--> buffy style
14:06 <@oddball> Of course, no org would do something like that... because that would be wrong...
14:10 < notfie--> <vexati0n> orgs do not do it on purpose
14:10 < notfie--> <vexati0n> it's just that they develop tunnel vision and before long, atrocity is all they see no matter where they look.
14:10 < notfie--> <vexati0n> unrelated: The National Foundation for Dyslexic Equality is suing the the ACLU for impersonating UCLA.
14:11 < aestetix_> notfie--: yep
14:11 < aestetix_> That's why anti-harassment organizations are actually bad
14:11 < aestetix_> Unless they have a sunset
14:11 < notfie--> sunset?
14:11 < aestetix_> For groups like the Ada Initiative, it is not in their interest for harassment to end.
14:12 < aestetix_> As in, if they specificallly set a goal and dissolve after the goal is met
14:13 < aestetix_> I'm debating a blog entry titled "nigger" that's about knee jerk reaction to words out of context
14:13 < aestetix_> Because it's also a self-description :p
14:14 < aestetix_> I was just astonished by how many kids called out a guy in his 50s for having white male privilege
14:15 < aestetix_> (he's gay and lost a lot of friends in the 80s due to AIDS)
14:21 < aestetix_> although apparently that doesn't count for anything because it didn't happen this year. *sighs*
14:28 < aestetix_> So these drama flareups keep happening
14:28 < aestetix_> I'm rather interested in who decides what's ok and what's not
14:28  * shapr unexpectly hugs klixa
14:29 <@shapr> Shadow404: DO YOU FEEL LEFT OUT?
14:29 < aestetix_> And god I hope it's not anarchival
14:29 <@shapr> so this cute blonde girl gave me her number last night without me asking for it...
14:29 < aestetix_> shapr: and it turns out she's 15?
14:29 < notfie--> Great Job!™
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14:30 <@shapr> aestetix_: nah, she's 24
14:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: she obviously wants to hire a hitman for 300$
14:31 <@shapr> hmm, I'm more expensive than that, and she knows it :-P
14:33 < notfie--> aestetix_, I saw my uncle's butt-cheakless asshole on his withered aids ridden body while they rotated him to prevent bed sores. That means I can say fag now.
14:33 <@Wilpig_> o.O
14:34 < notfie--> I like to drop that on my friends when they joke about the aids
14:34 < notfie--> not that I'm offended... I just like to make people feel bad
14:34 < aestetix_> haha yeah
14:36 < notfie--> he lived with my family for a while... I was like 6 or 7.... later on in my teens I wondered if I had aids because he brushed his teeth with baking soda.. he would just wet his tooth brush and dip it in the box. And I tried it one time... dipping it in the box.
14:36 < notfie--> one of those things that sat in the back of my mind for a number of years.
14:37 < aestetix_> I wonder if the people who support banning people for saying "nigger" and "tranny" also endorse abstinence only education.
14:45  * shapr agrees with Wilpig_ 
14:47 < aestetix_> http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/06/07/about-that-hate-crime-i-committed-at-university-of-chicago
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14:51 <@Wilpig_> just finished watching the big lebowski over lunch.
14:51 <@Wilpig_> the entire thing....  heh
14:53 < aestetix_> I should watch that movie again
14:53 < Warcop> never seen it
14:54 < notfie--> http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/693554/apple-tweets.0.gif
14:54 < notfie--> Yeah that movie is pure americana
15:14 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: going to chase it with a white russian?
15:15 <@Wilpig_> no kalhua here, man...
15:16 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: plan your trip.. https://lebowskifest.com/fests/
15:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lebowski Fest (at lebowskifest.com)
15:17 <@Mirage> https://lebowskifest.com/fests/lebowski-fest-chicago/
15:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lebowski Fest (at lebowskifest.com)
15:17 <@Dagmar> Has anyone gotten to this point in the day without wanting to kill anyone?
15:17 <@Dagmar> Well...
15:17 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: no
15:17 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Vx5ixVMoU
15:17 <@Mirage> I barely made it out of bed without wanting to kill someone
15:17 <@Dagmar> That will take most of you *straight* to homocidal mania
15:18 <@Dagmar> Kids that can't sort out Nirvana lyrics
15:18 <@Dagmar> Seriously, it makes me breathe fire
15:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: NIRVANA - SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT (REACT: Lyric Breakdown) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:19 <@Dagmar> Theres one girl in the video who is clearly a professonal actress who merely looks like she's 16
15:20 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: I cna promise you there's one girl you'll hate so much more than all the rest combined
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15:21 <@Dagmar> I mean I want to kill all but one of them
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15:24 <@Dagmar> One of hte little fuckers actually invoked that music should mean entirely different things to different people
15:24 <@Dagmar> ...because you know, it's not like a COMMON MEDIUM OR ANYTHING.
15:24 <@Dagmar> Wher'es my fuckin' lighter
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15:27 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
15:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: KIDS REACT TO OLD COMPUTERS - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:28 <@Dagmar> That video is understandable
15:29 <@Dagmar> These kids are astute
15:29 <@Dagmar> Their reactions are pretty funny
15:29 <@Dagmar> LOL @ the girl typing "GOOGLE"
15:30 <@Mirage> The black girl has the best reactions.
15:30 <@Dagmar> The teenagers not having a clue about Nirvana...  There's just no excuse for that.
15:30 <@Mirage> not emo enough
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15:31 <@Dagmar> I like the asian kid
15:31 <@Dagmar> He's _very_ smart
15:32 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Considering the song in question was primarily about high school bullshit?
15:32 < Warcop> good to see my command line skills will still be valuable for the foreseeable future
15:32 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling those kids woudn't know if they were on *fire*.
15:33 <@Dagmar> LOL
15:33 <@Dagmar> "TOO much pixelation"
15:34 < Warcop> i like it better than flappybird
15:34 < Warcop> haha
15:35 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw95AZzPpsU
15:35 <@Dagmar> Yep. Heheh
15:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: ELDERS REACT TO GOOGLE GLASS - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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15:36 <@Mirage> not nearly as amusing as the kids reactions
15:36 <@Dagmar> The lady with the bun is cool
15:38 <@Dagmar> OMG the asian guy!
15:39 <@Dagmar> Goin' straight for the porno
15:39 <@Mirage> yeah
15:39 < Warcop> hahhahaa
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15:44 < Dot_Warner> wow it's quiet in here, looks like ignotus and i have the place to ourselves lol! :-p
15:44 <@Dagmar> Just ignore those cameras
15:45 < Dot_Warner> LOL!
15:45 <@Dagmar> heh
15:45 < Dot_Warner> awww drats! lol
15:45 <@shapr> shh
15:45 <@shapr> we're hiding
15:46 < Dot_Warner> hahaha
15:46 <@shapr> Hi Dot, how's life?
15:46 < Dot_Warner> It's going, how about yours?
15:46  * Dot_Warner pokes ignotus
15:47 <@shapr> Eh, my life is going.
15:47 < Dot_Warner> heh yeah you too huh
15:48  * ignotus-sdf now has to write a report on how someone installed the wrong repos to the wrong server and crashed it in production. And clear that person at the same time. 
15:49 <@Dagmar> huh?
15:49 <@ignotus-sdf> Today has been an entertaining day.
15:49 < Dot_Warner> fun stuff!
15:49 <@Dagmar> WHy would you want to clear them of a fuckup like that/
15:49 < Dot_Warner> lol I'm with dagmar on that! haha
15:49 <@Dagmar> It's not like they're going to get thirty lashes on the pillory or something
15:50 < Dot_Warner> LOL! IKR!
15:50 <@Dagmar> It illustrates a need for an additional control, perhaps a template, so people won't be prone to...
15:50 <@Dagmar> Wait... how the fuck did they push the wrong package set?
15:50 <@Dagmar> How do you even _do_ that?
15:51 <@ignotus-sdf> One of the night guys thought he was on the right machine and installed a CentOS repo to a RHEL machine that also install a new DB and Python. It crashed the unwitting system. Said admin has been recieving lashes since Friday.
15:51 <@Dagmar> Wouldn't they have had to go out of their way to change the repos?
15:51 <@ignotus-sdf> That was what I was originally trying to prove.
15:51 <@ignotus-sdf> Turns our scl-utils thought it was Repos Gone Wild and installed all kinds of crazy crap.
15:51 <@Dagmar> ...and you can't believe they would be that stupid?
15:52 <@ignotus-sdf> (yes, I would) Of course not!
15:52 <@Dagmar> You should never have to change the repos on a _prod_ box
15:52 <@Dagmar> Send that mofo to ITIL classes
15:52 < Dot_Warner> lol
15:53 <@Dagmar> Changing the repos should just have been _obviously_ wrong in a prod environment
15:53 <@Dagmar> THe root problem appears to be that they don't understand dev/prod separation
15:53 <@Dagmar> If you're trying to "clear" them I suppose you could simply say "insufficient training"
15:54 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: is temporary insanity a valid defense?
15:54 < Dot_Warner> From what ignotus has told me before, they don't like hearing that they aren't sufficiently training folks. I mean yeah I'm sure honest mistakes happen but still.
15:54 <@ignotus-sdf> it is. these were golden rules. Never ever add from a repo that isn't ours.
15:55 <@ignotus-sdf> Wilpig_ yes, in this case.
15:55 <@ignotus-sdf> He was too eager to please.
15:55 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho... A prod box should be _miles_ away from anything resembling pointing to new repos
15:55 < Dot_Warner> ahhh overeagerness always causes mistakes to happen
15:55 <@Dagmar> If there was going to be a repo change, it should have been _copied_ from dev/test
15:56 <@ignotus-sdf> Dagmar is correct. I'd prefer them not be on the same network.
15:56 <@Dagmar> ITIL classes
15:56 <@Dagmar> U needs 'em
15:56 <@ignotus-sdf> Agreed.
15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
15:56 < Dot_Warner> someone needs to take away the car keys and ban him from driving for a little while until he re-studies the manual (so to speak)
15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're all wrong
15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> just install the CMS right onto the public server
15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:57 <@Dagmar> *snicker*
16:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> what I don't understand is... the robots.txt including install.php
16:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats like saying "here is huge vulnerability, try me out"
16:04 < Dot_Warner> Give him a min or two, he's at work right now so gets busy at times. ;)
16:04 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It's a noob-ass mistake
16:05 <@Dagmar> Someone was either worried something vulnerable or unpleasant might wind up in a search engine later...
16:05 < Dot_Warner> haha
16:05 <@Dagmar> ...or they _knew_ they'd left a fucking land mine in the install.php and thought that would keep search engines out of it.
16:06 < Dot_Warner> so what's a girl gotta do to have a green dot by her name like her other half (ignotus) lol! :-p
16:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2579017/php-file-that-should-run-once-and-delete-itself-is-it-possible
16:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: PHP file that should run once and delete itself. Is it possible? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
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16:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh lookie...
16:06 <@Dot_Warner> Cool! Thanks Dagmar!
16:07 <@Dot_Warner> I think ignotus is right, he either got overeager, took a stupid pill, or was trying to cover up for something.
16:07 <@Dagmar> I like how they're suggesting someone who is clearly lost to use unlink()
16:07 <@Dagmar> ...without making sure it's a file first.
16:07 <@Dagmar> So many fun things happen when you unlink() a directory
16:07 <@Dot_Warner> haha no doubt!
16:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still, the point stands, install.php should be self-deleting if it is that dangerous
16:08 <@Dagmar> It should be proactively self-deleting.
16:08 <@Dagmar> RFC2616.
16:08 <@Dagmar> Not a suggestion.
16:08 <@Dot_Warner> I feel sorry for the pissed off customer who is making them prove that it will never happen again (not that I blame them).
16:08 <@Dagmar> Thou shalt respect idempotence!
16:08 <@Dot_Warner> ha!
16:09 <@Dot_Warner> heh
16:09 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'm not even kidding about idempotence
16:09 <@Dagmar> The MythWeb example is downright hilarious
16:09 <@Dagmar> I let it happen here just to see it for myself
16:10 <@Dagmar> The MythWeb devs decided it wasn't a problem, so damn near the whole thing revolves around GETs
16:10 <@Dagmar> ...which results in Google fucking over the configuration so thoroughly and so fast it's really impressive
16:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
16:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> nice
16:10 <@Dot_Warner> lol greeeaaat
16:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> RESTful exists for a fucking reason
16:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> get = read, post = create
16:11 <@Dagmar> I went from having a few weeks of shows to having only half a channel listing, some random shit that didnt' even exist anymore scheduled for recording, and five recordings.
16:11 <@Dagmar> This is prior to REST
16:11 <@Dagmar> LIke, GETs have supposed to _never_ change data on the server for far longer than RESTful APIs
16:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah i know, I mean REST uses the basis of get/post only doing 1 thing well, and goes from there
16:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> the entire idea of install.php not even having a post on it with a button labled "fuck over this site by clicking here" is funny
16:14 <@ignotus-sdf> Since we're a hosting company the rules are uglier than I would like.
16:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... if they left the button there... it would have been amusing, hehe
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16:19 <@ignotus-sdf> That is the better part. We push the distro down with our stuff, which makes it good. when that is strayed from, all goes south.
16:25 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: PN t-shirt ideas.. http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-didnt-come-here-to-impress-none-of-you-motherfuckers
16:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: I DIDN'T COME HERE TO IMPRESS NONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS (at www.tshirthell.com)
16:25 <@Mirage> http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/they-said-it-couldnt-be-done-so-i-didnt-do-it/
16:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE - SO I DIDN'T DO IT. (at www.tshirthell.com)
16:26 <@Mirage> For some reason I can envision you having been the inspiration for either of those.
16:26 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/marriages-dont-fail-wives-fail/
16:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: MARRIAGES DON'T FAIL. WIVES FAIL. (at www.tshirthell.com)
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16:27 <@Mirage> one for LB: http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/warning-if-i-wake-up-with-marker-on-my-face-ill-stab-you
16:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: WARNING - IF I WAKE UP WITH MARKER ON MY FACE I'LL STAB YOU (at www.tshirthell.com)
16:28 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Some of these shirts are sooooo wrong
16:28 <@Dagmar> Like, if you want to get *lynched*, theres' http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-swear-i-didnt-know-she-was-3/
16:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: I SWEAR I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS 3 (at www.tshirthell.com)
16:29 <@Dagmar> Soo... for public edification... a $15 tripod?
16:29 <@Dagmar> Worth every penny.
16:29 <@Wilpig_> ouch.
16:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow...
16:29 <@Dagmar> This thing is like waist level and flimsy, but it's a tripod
16:30 <@Dagmar> Damn
16:30 <@Wilpig_> what are you planning on filming, dagmar?
16:30 <@Dagmar> If they had better shipping methods, I'd wear this to Canvas on Saturday http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/straight/
16:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: STRAIGHT (at www.tshirthell.com)
16:31 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Well, I was *planning* on doing videos of PN presentations, but fuck it
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16:33 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: there's always amateur porn
16:33 <@Dagmar> Maybe midget porn
16:33 <@Dagmar> Did I mention this thing is only 50" tall?
16:34 <@Dagmar> The head on it is made of some plastic that when I touch it, my fingers hear "I will break"
16:34 <@Dagmar> I think I'm going to call up this guy on CL and see if he still has that 66" one that's "heavy-duty" (also for $15, but apparently normally $30)
16:35 <@Dagmar> I can give this other one to some ten-year-old.
16:35 <@Dagmar> ...or I guess maybe stick it on *top* of the PVR form-factor case
16:36 <@Dagmar> Since it's going to rain a lot this weekend, I may or may not point it out the window and produce a bunch of hour-long videos of a river being rained on for aestetix.
16:36 <@Dagmar> *g*
16:37 <@Dot_Warner> boy, go fig! lol :-p
16:37 <@Dagmar> Also, FaceRig is much happier when there's more than 40W of light in the room
16:37 <@Dagmar> I figured that might have osmething to do with why it ran like ass and sucked down CPU like there's no tomorrow
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16:41 < notfie--> Dagmar, midget jesus porn
16:41 < notfie--> I have some apparently
16:41 <@Dagmar> http://www.buzzfeed.com/briantron/too-small-for-kelly-ripa <-- not safe for coffee
16:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Kelly Ripa Just Saw What 5.5 Inches Looks Like And Shes Not Impressed (at www.buzzfeed.com)
16:42 < notfie--> haven't got around to watching it
16:42 <@Dagmar> THe black anchor is hilarious
16:42 <@Dagmar> He keeps it together so well
16:43 < notfie--> those measurements are way more than 5.5
16:44 < notfie--> also that site is carbon monoxide
16:53 <@Wilpig_> silently deadly?
16:53 < notfie--> essentially
16:54 < notfie--> effects similar to oxygen deprivation
16:54 <@Dagmar> Still, the dude anchor deserves a free doughnut or something for keeping it together.
16:55 < RangerZ|Laptop>  yeah, his shit-eater grin shows he knows what he's doing
16:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
16:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah and then he just can't even look at her.  hehe
16:55 <@Dagmar> INside his head he's just repeating "THer'es nothing I can say here that won't get me into trouble... There's nothing I can say here that won't get me into trouble...":
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17:05 <@rattle> CMEs!!!  Get your tin foil hats!  This is not a drill!!!
17:05 <@Dagmar> eh?
17:05 <@Dagmar> How bad is it supposed to get?
17:05 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to get excited unless I'm going to be able to see the aurora borealis from my balcony
17:06 <@Dagmar> You might be able to see it from where you are was what I last heard
17:07 <@rattle> http://spaceweather.com/
17:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids (at spaceweather.com)
17:07 <@rattle> There's a chance we'll be able to see something minor where I am..  Not so sure about where you are.  But we haven't had ones this big in a long time.
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17:12 <@Dagmar> Well, if it's bad enough to be seen from my place, people are going to stop calling that CubeSat business a malfunction and start referring to it as "abandoning ship"
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17:20 <@rattle> I'm guessing it would have to be an X6+ to see where you live.  Which would be bad.  Like worse then 98'..
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17:20 <@rattle> Certainly worse than 03..
17:20 <@rattle> 89 rather
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17:22 <@rattle> The second of the two, coming Saturday is the strongest one..  And it's only X1.6..  So that's big, but not crap-is-gonna-break big.
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17:25 <@rattle> There's been some M class activity today..  Which probably explains why my mobile signal has crapped out a few times.
17:25 < notfie> what's that?
17:28 <@rattle> Solar weather.
17:28 <@rattle> Solar flares fuck shit up.
17:28 <@rattle> Big ones don't happen that often..  But they can really screw up any type of wireless communication, power grids, etc..
17:29 <@rattle> Anything that's an X-class flare can potentially cause issues.
17:29 <@rattle> Wireless, systems w/o ECC ram acting weird..  You name it.
17:29 < notfie> M as in microwave?
17:30 < notfie> X as in X-ray?
17:30 <@rattle> Last real big ones were in 2003 and 1989.  Since the tech we've got deployed changes rapidly, you never know what the effect is gonna be.  I'm not sure what the X-Ray flux at these levels does to LTE/G4 for instance..
17:30 <@rattle> Rating scale..
17:30 < notfie> Well it's like every 10ish years
17:30 <@rattle> http://spaceweather.com/glossary/flareclasses.html
17:30 < notfie> I guess we were lucky last time?
17:31 <@Dagmar> It's always fun when long-haul carrier lines pick up DC bias
17:31 <@rattle> There were problems in 2003, but they passed fairly quickly.  In 1989, a large swath of Canada didn't have power for like 12 hours.
17:32 < notfie> is that why my inkernetz is mole ass ass today?
17:32 <@rattle> They are kind of a double punch too..  The initial X-ray flux, then the coronal mass ejecting arriving at earth.
17:33 <@rattle> It
17:33 <@rattle> It's a REALLY great time to bitsquat.
17:34 <@rattle> http://dinaburg.org/bitsquatting.html
17:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: dinaburg.org (at dinaburg.org)
17:34 < notfie> Woah
17:34 < notfie> that's awesome
17:34 <@rattle> Systems w/o ECC ram _will_ have a high error rate the next few days.
17:34 < notfie> I haddn't heard of that
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17:34 < notfie> I can't believe I haddn't thought of that lolz
17:34 < notfie> what with udp and all
17:35 < notfie> wish I had some monies to blow
17:36 <@Dot_Warner> It's almost time for me to scat to pick up ignotus from the bus. Cya all later!
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17:48 < aestetix_> so yeah
17:48 < aestetix_> how about that McCain
17:48 <@Dagmar> He should probably stick with waving and smiling.
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17:58 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNtcP6EXm3s&list=PLCZ1zMlAC-DvfjanCO2wF8oqMY1QbyBRF yeah... I can see how this won best original score in the Streamys
17:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: 01: This Will Be The Day - RWBY Volume 1 OST (Jeff Williams feat. Casey Lee Williams) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:59 < aestetix_> Man
17:59 < aestetix_> Thinking about how many people painfully died of AIDS in the 80s, really makes me mad when I look at how these idiots treated Dan Savage for saying "tranny"
18:01 < RangerZ> honeslty, still on about that?
18:01 < RangerZ> fuck them
18:02 < aestetix_> Yes, because of what happened last night.
18:02 < aestetix_> It was really not fun watching a young women who had just shared her rape experience have someone walk up to her and call her a bitch to her face and say she shouldn't have shared the story
18:03 < RangerZ> i'm telling you, you need to USE Feminism, feel it in your blood, it is the dark side... feel the hate
18:03 < RangerZ> and blame them for rape surivor shaming
18:03 < RangerZ> its the only way to truely win
18:03 < aestetix_> Isn't that just fighting fire with fire?
18:03 < RangerZ> yes?
18:03 < RangerZ> and
18:04 < RangerZ> I've never thought it was bad to fight fire with fire
18:04 < aestetix_> Let me put it another way
18:04 < RangerZ> I've never started a fight, be it physical or otherwise, but I _END_ them
18:04 < aestetix_> An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
18:04 < RangerZ> no, thats different
18:04 < RangerZ> I'm not saying an eye for an eye
18:05 < aestetix_> Also, if I were to say that, I'd immediatley get called out for privilege
18:05 < RangerZ> thats fine
18:05 < RangerZ> just stick to defending the girl
18:05 < aestetix_> That's mostly what I did.
18:05 < aestetix_> It's just sickening that that happened
18:06 < RangerZ> and use their words against them "damn right I'm privlaged, I've nevered been raped like this woman, so you and I should both shut up and let her speak"
18:06 < RangerZ> etc
18:06 < RangerZ> I got bulled enough to learn how to deal with them... and thats the only way
18:06 < aestetix_> But the other woman had also been raped, and complained that it was bringing up bad memories for her
18:06 < aestetix_> So she'd just say I didn't know what it was like
18:07 < RangerZ> you knock a bully on their ass after they hit you once... and then make it so they can't get back up... you do a benefit to the world, b/c they then (hopefully) realize that they shouldn't start fights
18:07 < notfie> aestetix_, makes the whole world blind except for the last guy
18:07 < RangerZ> I did it twice , once in kindergarten , and then in 9th grade, no problems after each
18:08 < RangerZ> and I was NOT a big guy back then, I was 125lbs in 9th
18:08 < RangerZ> 135*
18:08 <@Bahhumbug> All bullies are cowards.
18:09 < RangerZ> even legally you have the right to beat the shit out of someone if they start it, as long as you don't go "too far"
18:09 < RangerZ> a few good hits is all it takes
18:09 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: and the people he's dealing with are bullies
18:09 < RangerZ> mind you it is verbal
18:10 < RangerZ> which is why I'm saying to just out-extrimist them and use their argument against them
18:10 < RangerZ> fucking worked with crazypants
18:10 < RangerZ> Last Friday I fucking toyed with dru and her by telling him that I "took care of her" for being a crazy bitch
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18:10 < RangerZ> just mental games is enough to fuck people like her
18:11 < notfie> out-extrimist them
18:11 < notfie> that's my finishing move
18:11 <@Bahhumbug> ^ use a bigger bomb
18:11 < RangerZ> it works
18:11 < RangerZ> thats why WW2 stopped in the pacific after ....ohh what were they... hmm.... two... ...
18:11 < RangerZ> lol
18:12 < notfie> the war in iraq could be over in a day
18:12 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
18:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:12 < RangerZ> or say that
18:13 < RangerZ> and if you quote it right... you'll get bonus points for anyone who recognizes it
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18:14 < RangerZ> notfie: I'm in favor of not letting any religion have the holy cities in isreal, and put it under UN control
18:14 < notfie> I'm in favor of strip mining it
18:15 < RangerZ> b/c obviously the current apartheid isn't good for humanity, and the
18:15 < notfie> bet there's tons of jew gold under there
18:15 < RangerZ> actually I'm in favor of finding the grave + body and calling off easter
18:16 < notfie> or pit mining
18:17 < notfie> rather
18:17 < RangerZ> notfie: actually there is pretty convincing evidence that the Knights Templar found a gigantic cache of gold or valubles when they went to jerusulum(sp?) and "7" people protected the _entire_ road from EU to the middle east... or w/e was the excuse they were using to be there
18:18 < RangerZ> is it wrong of me to be asking for new email addresses from college? ... to get free 6months of Amazon prime...
18:18 < RangerZ> LOL
18:18 < notfie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-4cnGLDgek  http://imgur.com/U6JxQht
18:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Open-pit Mining Simulation by MOSIMTEC - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:19 < RangerZ> (haven't yet, but thought about it after my last unique email runs out) hehe
18:19 < notfie> RangerZ, no
18:19 < notfie> do it
18:20 < notfie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekr9fsoatXA
18:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Lets Play Mining and Tunneling Simulator EP01 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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18:56 < aestetix_> you know
18:56 < aestetix_> I think traditionally the 18-22 generation has been fucking annoying
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18:56 < aestetix_> but they didn't have twitter to magnify it before
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19:28 < aestetix_> man
19:28 < aestetix_> how the hell has no president had a heart attack in office?
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19:28 <@Wilpig_> selective record keeping
19:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> they have
19:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> but "heart attack" is a relatively new term
19:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> reagan was going through Alzheimers(sp?)
19:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> St Reagan, sorry
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19:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> Another reason I don't think Hilary Clinton is actually going to run, is she'll be 68 when running
19:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 76 at end of 2nd term
19:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> mind you... she'll be the king maker
19:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c as its going... Republicans just can't win national presidential elections for the next ~4 elections... if they continue to alienate hispanics and even asians
19:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is sad... b/ c I wish we had more options... but thats how 2 party system works :/
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19:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> and god help the republicans if they end up being against immigration reform if they take over the senate
19:35 < aestetix_> hillary could do one term
19:35 < aestetix_> which means bill clinton does another term
19:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> bill could run for 2
19:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> only prevents 2 consecutive terms
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19:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> not total
19:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
19:36  * aestetix_ nods
19:36 < aestetix_> I would vote for Bill Clinton in a heartbeat
19:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh I would, just to see the republicans' heads explode in unison
19:38 < aestetix_> Some of clinton's actions were awful (DMCA, for example) but he balanced the budget
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> he was overall bad for the economy
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> NAFTA
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> deregulation
19:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
19:39 < aestetix_> And bush was any better?
19:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> the idea that the US has to 'balance' its budget is a great talking point, but we easily just print money and solve the 'problem'  (not that I'm advocating that), but most of our debt at this point is from bush and the wars ...sadly....
19:40 < aestetix_> uhhh
19:40 < aestetix_> what I'm talking about is having a budget that we don't have to raise the debt celing for
19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah I know
19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> debt ceiling itself is a fucking joke too
19:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> believe me, I wish we'd just raise tax rates, and be done with it
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> and stop cutting off social security tax at 105,000$
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> tax it up to the 2billion a year or w/e addelson makes
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> and be done with it
19:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> and its solvent for the next 90 years or something fucking stupid
19:42 < aestetix_> you're a communist
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm a capitalist
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> I just believe in a progressive tax rate
19:43 < aestetix_> socialist
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> just like we all are
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> we all want a socialist fire department
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've actually ran the numbers, and I think I've come up with a 'single tax bracket' (which is the republican's wet dream) thats progressive
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> just tilt the fucking line up to 40%, at 10 million dollars
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and start at 0% at 0$
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> each dollar you earn, gets taxed at that % its at
19:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> basically makes a simple calculus equation to find the total tax $
19:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> and it ends up lower the taxes for ~97% of people
19:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> and still taking in more money
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was actually so easy, I'm kinda surprised no one has thought it up... or if they have, they are afraid of it being adopted then the 40% being lowered
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> 2nd is my real guess
19:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can get the tax records (aggregate, obviously) off of the IRS's site
19:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> I just spent a couple hours playing around with numbers in excel to figure out the sweet spot
19:48 <@brimstone> i'd vote for you
19:49 < aestetix_> I'd vote for him but I'm allergic to white male privilege
19:49 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: when are you running for office?
19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends if we get public financing
19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> but probably after I get a professorship
19:50 < aestetix_> do a kickstarter
19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've actually thought about that
19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> it _might_ be legal
19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> patreon too
19:51 <@brimstone> as long as you have bitchin rewards
19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> Net Neutrality at 1m$
19:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
19:51 <@brimstone> it could be potato salad
19:57 <@Wilpig_> http://staff.tumblr.com/post/97238609065/incredible-work-everyone-these-numbers-are
19:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Staff (at staff.tumblr.com)
19:58 < aestetix_> oop
19:58 < aestetix_> I almost said penis in my work irc
19:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> HA
19:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> calls?
19:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> to what call center?
20:00 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: they had a number up yesterday for the netneutrality shit
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm sure tumblr itself doesn't have one, b/c its not like they are stupid enough to listen to tween girls complain about how their posts arent getting retweeted (or w/e the fuck tumblr calls it) lol
20:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> ugh... an 8am meeting tomorrow
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> damn German Siemans, lol
20:03 <@brimstone> as soon as you get elected to office, you can abolish those
20:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> could be worse... could be German Seamens
20:03 < aestetix_> you know
20:03 < aestetix_> I should inject a fake Pope Testiculus into wikipedia
20:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> again?
20:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm pretty sure thats been done before
20:03 < aestetix_> the 69th pope
20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> but not as funny as ReiserFS killing your wife... on the FileSystem Features Table
20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was the only one with a 'yes' ;)
20:04 < aestetix_> lol
20:04 < aestetix_> it's ok, hans reiser was able to clear his name when he spoke at trial
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> uhhh
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> he was convicted
20:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> wasnt he?
20:16 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.
20:17 <@Bahhumbug> "On Monday, April 28, 2008, Hans Reiser was found guilty of first degree murder"
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> "On August 29, 2008, Reiser was sentenced to 15 years to life, the maximum sentence for second-degree murder. As a result of his plea bargain, Reiser cannot appeal his conviction or sentence"
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21:19 < aestetix_> Wow.
21:19 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/a/whl0p
21:19 < aestetix_> This got labeled NSFW at reddit because of a photo of a dog where the dog had a boner
22:03 <@eryc> i dont see any boners
22:03 <@eryc> much dissapoint
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22:12 <@Dickie> Hello.
22:12 <@Dickie> Oh. Gross.
22:13 < aestetix_> https://speakerdeck.com/ange/when-aes-equals-episode-v
22:34 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: http://flexget.com/
22:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: FlexGet (at flexget.com)
22:34 <@Bahhumbug> This looks like pure unadultered win.
22:40 <@eryc> aestetix_: not coincidentally this was posted in another chan: https://code.google.com/p/corkami/source/detail?r=1906
22:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: r1906 - corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting (at code.google.com)
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23:55 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMJWL1CczMI
23:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: How could this happen to me? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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