--- Log opened Tue Sep 09 00:00:33 2014 --- Day changed Tue Sep 09 2014 00:00 <@Dagmar> Nope. Mainly I just helped clean up after them 00:08 <@Dagmar> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8657212/using-get-for-a-non-idempotent-request 00:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: http - Using GET for a non-idempotent request - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) 00:08 <@Dagmar> This is a thing you are _not_ supposed to do, yet Dru and Dink did it anyway 00:12 < RangerZ> actually 00:12 < RangerZ> I'd submit a bug to drupal 00:12 < RangerZ> and say "if install.php is accidently left it fucks things up, fix that' 00:12 <@Dagmar> Drupal doesn't do that 00:12 <@Dagmar> COD does, apparently. 00:13 < RangerZ> COD? 00:13 <@Dagmar> Or whatever the fuck they implemented through Drush 00:13 <@Dagmar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/37nrcsnkdjqz4xc/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-23%20at%207.40.25%20PM.png?dl=0 00:13 < RangerZ> ahh 00:13 < aestetix_> ok I am confused 00:13 <@Dagmar> You remember seeing htat weird profile=cod thing? 00:13 < aestetix_> this sentence 00:13 <@Dagmar> https://www.drupal.org/project/cod 00:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Conference Organizing Distribution (Drush make files and install profile) | Drupal.org (at www.drupal.org) 00:13 < aestetix_> "Graphics-intensive games like the recently-released Bioshock are proof of that, since the latest iPod touch can't even run it." 00:13 < aestetix_> Isn't an iPod for listening to music? 00:14 < RangerZ> its an iphone with no phone antenna 00:14 < RangerZ> same with ipad 00:14 < aestetix_> The first thing I would think about with an iPod is "what can I listen to" not "omg I want to play bioshock" 00:15 <@Bahhumbug> So COD is the responsible party for the website design being ass? 00:15 <@Dagmar> Proof of what? 00:15 <@Dagmar> No, COD is apparently the toolkit they were using to get the conference features 00:17 <@Dagmar> Jeremy apparently didn't have anything to do with the design 00:17 <@Dagmar> He was just going to build the ecommerce part for the pre-reg and was getting a bunch of conflicting directives 00:17 <@Dagmar> He also said something about not wanting to get involved with their drama when I asked him about it 00:18 <@Bahhumbug> That profile should be setting things like theme, dropdown menu setup, etc no? 00:18 <@Bahhumbug> (Including adding the registration and other features, of course) 00:19 <@Bahhumbug> Good for him. 00:21 <@Dagmar> Yep 00:21 <@Dagmar> THEY put something in place that fucked the site over 00:21 <@Dagmar> ...and they're trying to fob the blame for the result on us. 00:21 <@Dagmar> NOPE. 00:21 <@Dagmar> Not going to fly. 00:23 * Bahhumbug nods 00:24 < aestetix_> Dagmar: fair enough. It seemed like you knew how a rave works, and honestly a conference is not too different. 00:24 <@Dagmar> Yeah there were enough people running around with the time and inclination that I didn't have to organize one 00:24 <@Dagmar> I could just pitch in where necessary with the heavy lifting and so on 00:24 <@Dagmar> Sometimes it was decidedly heavy lifting. 00:24 <@Dagmar> I had a 250lb bass bin basically judo throw me one morning 00:27 <@Dagmar> We have a comic con in Nashville? 00:29 <@Dagmar> oddball: Wizard World. What's the scary-scary about that that I'm forgetting 00:33 <@Bahhumbug> Ben replied :) 00:34 <@Bahhumbug> The is much bull in that shit. 00:34 * Bahhumbug goes back to Ray Donovan 00:37 <@Dagmar> About the only thing I left out in my response is a demand for an explanation of the siloing 00:38 <@Dagmar> Ben seems to have forgotten that he himself declared our actions to be malicious and unhelpful on that very same day it happened 00:38 <@Dagmar> ...and he doesn't get to say that and then pretend that Dru is still spinning an entirely different story. 00:38 <@Dagmar> er pretend Dru isn't 00:39 <@Dagmar> For that matter, if they were actually populating the site they wouldn't have to go directly *to* the other "tech groups" to tell them about it 00:39 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 00:42 < RangerZ> I think he just doesn't care one way or the other, and just wants to do his own little things, and be done with it 00:42 < RangerZ> which normally is fine 00:43 < RangerZ> but its sad that he's being used as the "interference" from dru/corydon, so as to stop this talk 00:43 <@Dagmar> That's why I'm burning his dick off right now 00:43 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49 <@Dagmar> Burned to the ground. 00:50 <@Dagmar> He shouldnt' have brought out that silly "I wish you had told us first" claim again 00:50 <@Dagmar> Because we damn well *did* tell him 00:52 * Bahhumbug hands Dagmar more gasoline and a book of matches 00:52 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzqlgjwanzdkhkec] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:57 * aestetix_ sighs 00:57 < aestetix_> Another mailing list I'm on is blowing up too rigth now 00:59 < RangerZ> don't worry, we'll try to get this one as blown up for you too 00:59 < aestetix_> Dagmar: git would actually be useful to hold config changes. 00:59 < aestetix_> But it's probably overkill. 01:00 < aestetix_> Since I doubt you need to change the config that often 01:00 <@Dagmar> COD suggests git as the way to get their files 01:00 <@Dagmar> ...but what I suspect is that Dink has been "optimizing" things. 01:00 <@Dagmar> "Streamlining" operations so that they could rapidly deploy multiple sites, by making the install.php script do some shit through Drush all on it's own 01:00 <@Dagmar> Or COD might have been what did that. 01:01 <@Dagmar> Either way, they ignored RFC2616. 01:01 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: wtfsleepomg] 01:02 <@Dagmar> Easier to just plop http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/support/server-support/server-administration/1898611-sysv-init-script-v1-0-6-for-linux into place 01:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sysv init script v1.0.6 for Linux - Server Administration - Server Support - Support - Minecraft Forum - Minecraft Forum (at www.minecraftforum.net) 01:02 <@Dagmar> @#$@#$ 01:02 < RangerZ> and honestly... if they are "streamingling" things like that from Dink's company, then they are pretty shitty at RAD, b/c you could easily just deploy a docker container with the files pulled form a private FTP, etc, and be done with it 01:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ: the other mailing list is an argument among anarchists about whether any surveillance is reasonable 01:03 < aestetix_> And you can imagine how that one is going 01:03 < RangerZ> and docker files ARE source code manageable , quite esasily 01:03 < RangerZ> aestetix_: of course 'any' is reasonable 01:03 < RangerZ> otherwise the NEWS would be illegal 01:03 < aestetix_> Well yes 01:03 < aestetix_> You should see some of the emails though :p 01:04 < aestetix_> One person already played the race card 01:04 < RangerZ> I shouldn't have a government implanted google glass... no... but there is already a medium 01:05 < aestetix_> Te best part is that all the people demanding we should have no surveillance are using gmail 01:05 < RangerZ> aestetix_: but thats different 01:05 < aestetix_> I am so tempted to point that out, but I don't want the fury directed at me 01:05 < RangerZ> 'government' vs 'private company' , only 'some' private companies have police forces 01:05 < RangerZ> lol 01:06 < aestetix_> Yes. The difference between government and corporations is that the government is more restricted by policy and law :p 01:06 < RangerZ> *cough*apple*engineerforgetsiphonedemounitatabar*cough 01:07 < aestetix_> The one who is really fucking nuts is using yahoo mail 01:12 < RangerZ> so thats what you use? hehehe 01:13 < aestetix_> no I use hotmail duh 01:15 < RangerZ> from what I've heard yahoo actually has some nice anonizer functionality 01:15 < RangerZ> allowing you to add any random letters at the end of your email that you want 01:15 < RangerZ> I havne't looked into it, or know if they still do it, but a guy at work was talking about it 01:16 < RangerZ> but I dont care for yahoo's site, so I havne't cared 01:17 <@Dagmar> Uhh... SMTP sites are *supposed* to support that 01:18 <@Dagmar> It's in one of the RFCs that basically, dots don't count, and anything after a '+' in the username part is supposed to be considered invisible. 01:18 <@Dagmar> I use rather a lot of evildagmar+sitename@ mail addresses 01:18 < RangerZ> yeah, but without the + apparently 01:18 < RangerZ> so you can't tell what the 'real' address is 01:18 <@Dagmar> That's probably incorrect info 01:19 <@Dagmar> Without a delimiter, how is it supposed to tell the difference between sally15@yahoo and sally1523@yahoo 01:19 < RangerZ> it doesn't 01:19 < RangerZ> forwards both to sally 15 01:19 <@Dagmar> ...or more importantly, sally19@yahoo as opposed to sally1999@yahoo. 01:19 < RangerZ> you just have to reserve both 01:20 <@Dagmar> ...and if both are already owned by different people? What then? 01:20 < RangerZ> my guess, you can't pre-reserve it 01:20 < RangerZ> fuck this 01:20 < RangerZ> i'll go look 01:21 <@Dagmar> I can see them doing the + thing 01:21 <@Dagmar> Without the + thing, such address changing becomes unmanageable 01:22 < RangerZ> https://help.yahoo.com/qe/ph/tutorials/mmail/mm_dispaddress1.html looks like they use "-" 01:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Using Multiple Yahoo! Email Addresses: Getting Started With Disposable Addresses | Yahoo! Mail Help (at help.yahoo.com) 01:22 <@Bahhumbug> I've been doing that since the late 80s / early 90s. 01:23 < RangerZ> nvm, wasn't as useful as I thought, still leaked 'real' address 01:23 < RangerZ> with simple regex 01:23 -!- Nexus_L [~mike@cpe-174-100-54-48.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 01:24 <@Dagmar> Hmm... they had to be different 01:24 <@Dagmar> Still, at least it makes things marginally more annoying for dickbags who truncate + from mail addresses before spamming them 01:26 < aestetix_> Dagmar: that's why I have my own domain 01:26 < aestetix_> so you can do topic@aestetix.com 01:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah but that's a little out of reach for the average person 02:07 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yr2ZwH-Muc this seems so odd 02:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Second NBA Owner Brought Down By His Own Racism - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:13 < aestetix_> I didn't know being racist disqualified you from being a team owner 02:14 < aestetix_> Also, watching the video, the comments he's made are not racist. 02:14 < aestetix_> (it needs to have a power struggle) 02:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:16 < RangerZ> he wants out 02:16 < RangerZ> and his 2B 02:16 < RangerZ> lol 02:18 < aestetix_> Oh wow he is smart 02:18 < aestetix_> He's using racist apology to sell a team he wanted to sell anyways 02:18 < aestetix_> and made himself look humble in the process 02:19 < RangerZ> pretty much 02:19 < RangerZ> plus its atlanta 02:20 < RangerZ> everyone from there is a racist, or an asshole 02:20 < RangerZ> Shadow404: which are you? lol 02:20 < RangerZ> hehe 02:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:22 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 02:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 02:34 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 02:35 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYJ0idbQlU so apparently its still getting traction 02:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: So What The Hell Is #GamerGate? (Feat. MundaneMatt) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:37 < RangerZ1> so I dunno... it might be a one of those odd situations where the 'movement' gets made fun of, and never really gains credability, but changes happen 02:37 < RangerZ1> b/c some of the big sites have changed their policies on disclosure about patreon, and kickcstarter, etc 02:39 < RangerZ1> I disagree with this guy's view on "feminism" , but I think that term has been co-opted by something else that doesn't yet have a term, perhaps fauxminsists, etc 02:40 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 02:40 < RangerZ1> and I consdier myself a Feminist (In that women shouldn't be treated differently) and a Gamer, and a WASP(& Irish/Catholic), so me making a statement is basically a "I'm just asking for trouble" :/ 02:44 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:47 < aestetix_> god this video is something 02:48 < aestetix_> it makes me want to drop a nuclear bomb on the gaming community 02:48 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 02:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 02:49 < RangerZ1> I think both sides have people who aren't used to having to write convincing argumentive peices 02:50 < aestetix_> Yep. 02:50 < aestetix_> Arguments based in fact, logic, and solid reasoning. 02:50 < aestetix_> Nonexistent. 02:50 < RangerZ1> the problem is that they assume that everyone knows these 'facts' 02:51 < RangerZ1> there _are_ facts that they are showing/talking about, but you have to CITE them each time you make reference to them 02:51 < RangerZ1> but there is a very interesting dichotomy between this debate 02:52 < RangerZ1> youtube, and audio podcasts are mainly on the pro-gamer-gate side, and written articles are manly -anti 02:52 < RangerZ1> the lower barrier to entry for spoken word, etc 03:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 03:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:17 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:35 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGiE10zNQM 03:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY Episode 1: Ruby Rose - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:35 < RangerZ1> so not too bad 03:36 < RangerZ1> its actually pretty good 03:46 -!- CLansy [CLansy@c-76-105-69-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:47 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 04:00 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:00 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 04:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 04:16 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 04:19 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: The heck am I lookin' at? 04:22 <@Dagmar> Oh. A little girl beatin' some ass. 04:22 <@Dagmar> This just seems like fanfic for some video game 04:26 <@Dagmar> I recognize this grey haired guy's voice from somewhere 04:27 <@Dagmar> Damn you how much of my life is going to be lost watching the rest of these 04:27 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has joined #se2600 04:28 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGiE10zNQM 04:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY Episode 1: Ruby Rose - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 04:28 <@Dagmar> misclick 04:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... 04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> this got the "streamy" award for best original animation 04:30 <@Dagmar> This is actually really good 04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 04:30 <@Dagmar> I mean, you can _tell_ it's a bit machinima, but it's really well done 04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> I like the comedy timing/style 04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> wait for the first real combat after the opening 04:31 <@Dagmar> They were getting a little crazy on that rooftop 04:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 04:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> think its ep 8 04:31 <@Dagmar> I would play a twitch mmo based on this 04:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> you know what... I actually thought the same thing 04:32 <@Dagmar> I mean, the combat basically went down like that 04:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c it has all th ./hack weapons 04:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> the* 04:32 <@Dagmar> Attacks, gambits, counters. 04:32 <@Dagmar> AH 04:32 <@Dagmar> THat explains it then 04:32 <@Dagmar> I was definitely thinking this combat works like a game 04:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> not that they 'copied' .hack, but yeah, I got that feeling from the 'asian' kids weapons 04:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> and every weapon (other than 1 so far) has a melee and ranged attack 04:34 <@Dagmar> Well, they're just over-the-top fantasy attacks 04:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> that too 04:34 <@Dagmar> At first I thought they were acutally copying some game 04:34 <@Dagmar> I mean, this "dust" business is a MacGuffin of the first order 04:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I wondered the same thing 04:35 <@Dagmar> Those shiny geometric crystals just scream "I am a pickup item" 04:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> and 'dust' is MP item 04:35 <@Dagmar> Like, they're _big_ to be visible and everything 04:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc 04:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> and the transforming weapons are just 'cool' 04:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> 5 elements 04:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah I definitely got the sense of "dark" and I'm not sure about the girl but the lady was probably using the opposing element 04:37 <@Dagmar> ...or I guess in this case the superceding element 04:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> the kids seems non-elemental 04:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I like the music 04:37 <@Dagmar> She's very "red" but it didn't hint at being "fire" or anything 04:38 <@Dagmar> It's not bad 04:38 <@Dagmar> Good guitar work 04:38 <@Dagmar> Slight aside I'm sure by now you've seen the 5-year old drummer 04:38 <@Dagmar> That kid has a _gift_ 04:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> i think so 04:39 <@Dagmar> It's making the rounds on FB. I'd almost forgotten about System of a Down - Toxcicity 04:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> I always worry about them -that- young hurting themselves, or wearing out tendons, etc 04:39 <@Dagmar> The little dude nailed it 04:39 <@Dagmar> Well, drumming doesn't take a whole lot of strength, but he wasn't just beating out notes 04:40 <@Dagmar> It would be almost funny to stick him on stage at Exit/In with a rock band 04:40 <@Dagmar> Let Metro deal with that 04:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> I spent enough time in choir and other music stuff, to have an appreciation for music , and I've come to realize how important music is for videos and games, and I feel like a B show, can be make or break on audio , up to A or C 04:40 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah 04:40 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 04:40 <@Dagmar> I've spent enough time playing WoW with the music turned off 04:41 <@Dagmar> ...cuz with two people in the same room you can't really have both clients playing the music 04:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 04:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> the echo 04:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> or off timed playback 04:41 <@Dagmar> Hell not the echo... they're just completely out of sync 04:42 <@Dagmar> Borderlands 2 seems to be able to keep things in lockstep, but WoW, not so much 04:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> of all things....mabinogi (the only game I used to play like that with the ex) synced music 04:43 <@Dagmar> I've always liked the kind of guitar they're using in that 04:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah I bet that's because of the ba-ang gamers 04:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> that and 'music' and 'composition' were actual skills in the game 04:44 <@Dagmar> It beats 'idling'. ;) 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you could have entire orchestras perform a piece you wrote 04:44 <@Dagmar> (SWG) 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently she played 2yrs that way 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> got both up to S 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> she didn't like it when I laughed at ...why.... b/c she was on dial up from her home 04:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL 04:45 * Dagmar glares at the 'S' 04:45 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:45 <@Dagmar> I always struggle with the abcdefs rating system 04:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, i wasn't a fan 04:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c theirs was weird F was bottom the up to A, then S/SS/SSS 04:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> or something 04:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> or H was bottom...*shrugs* 04:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah and enough people use abcdes that it drives me batty figuring out which one I'm looking at 04:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've always thought that A should be lowest.... so you can always expand 04:46 < aestetix_> ugh mysql 04:46 <@Dagmar> What about mysql? 04:46 < aestetix_> one fucking corrupted ibd file 04:46 <@Dagmar> Oh. Heh. Fun! 04:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> ouch 04:46 <@Dagmar> Can it not recover it? 04:46 < aestetix_> It completely broke replication 04:47 <@Dagmar> Well, yes. 04:47 < aestetix_> I'm working a few magic tricks on it 04:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> doesn't mysql have parity built int? 04:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> in* 04:47 < aestetix_> well basically the issue is 04:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> to recover broken files, etc 04:47 < aestetix_> I'm creating a new slave 04:47 < aestetix_> replication broke on this table because it claimed the table didn't exist 04:48 < aestetix_> so I went to try to create the table, and it told me the table exists 04:48 <@Dagmar> 'cuz replicating bad data would be really insane 04:48 < aestetix_> so I tried deleting/dropping the table, and it said it didn't exist 04:48 <@Dagmar> There's always a chance any other nodes could still have functional views 04:48 <@Dagmar> Heh I just go straight to vetting tools 04:48 < aestetix_> vetting tools? 04:49 <@Dagmar> The database checking tools 04:49 < aestetix_> right 04:49 <@Dagmar> myisamchk and so on 04:49 < aestetix_> that's what I'm running right now 04:49 < aestetix_> it is incredibly annoyin 04:49 <@Dagmar> My logic for that is that you should start with the tests that have the longest-running follow-up-to-repair procedures first 04:50 < aestetix_> and this is how I become an amateur dba 04:50 <@Dagmar> ...because all the tests take a reasonably minimal amount of time, but if it turns out your stuff is fucked at the bottom-most level, you're going to _need_ the time you might have spent otherwise fucking around at higher levels 04:50 <@Dagmar> It's actually not that hard 04:50 * aestetix_ nods 04:52 <@Dagmar> I got over my fear of mysqld when I was using that nVidia driver on my MythTV box that would spotaneously reboot the machine. 04:52 <@Dagmar> At *least* once a day... *bzzt*... *POST beep* 04:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you need to learn to WRITE tables, etc 04:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats 'easy' IMHO 04:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> admin... thats the PITA to me 04:52 <@Dagmar> It's just time-consuming 04:53 <@Dagmar> Occasionally you have to break out the slow-query log and berate some people 04:53 <@Dagmar> I always tried *not* to look at what the loons were actually querying 04:55 <@Dagmar> A decent enough amount of the time when the system goes down hard because of an idiot user, it'll only screw up their tables a little bit 04:55 <@Dagmar> ...which are fixable with the provided tools. 04:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> its based on some interesting math, set theory, etc 04:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> but easy to do without knowing that 04:55 <@Dagmar> When they're not... Your options are 1) restore from a backup, or 2) restore from a backup. 04:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> or run .install.sql again from scratch... 04:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 04:56 <@Dagmar> Nah. 04:56 <@Dagmar> You can be *incredibly* lazy about backups and get away with it 04:56 <@Dagmar> Unless the dbs are just all being beaten to death 24/7, you can get away with doing regular mysqldumps 04:57 < aestetix_> I'm trying really hard to fix this and not have to restore from another backup :/ 04:57 <@Dagmar> With those the most complex thing you might need to do is actually stop the server, blow away a tables files, and then restart it and feed it the mysqldump 04:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, its probably b/c I've never had to do it 04:57 <@Dagmar> It *will* recreate the tables, unless they were corrupted to the extent that neither set of database sanity tools can recover them 04:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: that's what I'm going to try next 04:58 < aestetix_> I really don't want to though because it will take at least an hour :/ 04:58 <@Dagmar> That's a big damn database 04:59 < aestetix_> over 500 gigs 04:59 < aestetix_> thank god it's on an sssd 04:59 <@Dagmar> I'm hoping you're not doing your backup dump as one giant set of all tables 04:59 < aestetix_> I'm using xtrabackup, not mysqldump 04:59 <@Dagmar> Ah 04:59 < aestetix_> I switched when mysqldump was taking 14 hours 05:00 <@Dagmar> You seriously have single tables that are many gigglebytes in size? 05:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: you're either doing millions of inserts a month/week... or somethings funky 05:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah usually mysqldump is pretty quick 05:01 <@Dagmar> Under load, Vanderbilt's shared mysql server wasn't taking that long 05:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> OHHHH 05:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> i think i know 05:01 <@Dagmar> Each customers tables got their own dump 05:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> sqlite can do the same... if you store blobs 05:02 <@Dagmar> We could restore individual tables pretty quickly, or the set 05:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> are you storing blobs in your DB? 05:02 <@Dagmar> oooo 05:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not 100% on mysql 05:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> but other sql , you don't want to store blobs, but instead file URIs/etc in the DB 05:04 <@Dagmar> Well, there's just little point in storing blobs in the db 05:04 <@Dagmar> There's _very little_ a database can do to optimize accessing those 05:04 < aestetix_> yep 05:04 < aestetix_> just blasted it away 05:04 < aestetix_> rebuilding from scratch 05:05 * aestetix_ grumbles 05:05 <@Dagmar> No one ever does selects across the blobs 05:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell, I don't know if you 'can' 05:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> atleast meaningfully 05:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> all storing blobs in a the DB does is make it 'easier' to be lazy on DB queries 05:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is generally just a bad sign anyways 05:10 <@Dagmar> I'm guessing could probably do bytestring matches, but then why the fuck are you using a relational db and not letting it handle that tokenizing in the first place 05:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> android supports it, but recommends you only store blobs less than <50 kb 05:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> aka.... icon images, that you don't want to store on disk, and might change, or something else 05:12 < aestetix_> You can always use a ramdisk ;) 05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: actually, if you know what you're doing, you can store DB entirely in ram 05:12 <@Dagmar> Yeah but that ignores the fact that you're misusing a relational db 05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> very fast, and easy to query 05:13 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: which is great until the power goes out 05:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm talking on an android device 05:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> just plug it in 05:13 < aestetix_> oh 05:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;) lol 05:13 <@Dagmar> Yah that's why you just feed mysql lots of ram and hope for the best. ;) 05:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> we had to use ram DBs for our networking middleware b/c the army's encryption on the 'storage' was too heavyweight 05:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and was slowing everything down too much 05:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> but we were only storing TCP "type" traffic 05:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> before it was to be written to a 'real' DB depending on which app was destined for 05:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... a few TB of ramdisk always helps a MySQL server 05:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 05:25 <@Dagmar> It might be directly contributable, but it's not always the only thing 05:25 <@Dagmar> @#$#@$ 05:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow.... 05:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> ep 16.... 05:28 * RangerZ|Laptop golf claps at weapon designer 05:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> "One of the fan adaptations was a video game, titled RWBY: Grim Eclipse; the game was later officially adopted by Rooster Teeth, and is currently under development." 05:37 < aestetix_> and the beehive gets hit again 05:38 <@Dagmar> lol 05:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'm about to lay all my cards on the table 05:38 <@Dagmar> People are getting all snippy about the complaining without considering the reason _why_ it's happening 05:39 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 05:50 < aestetix_> Holy shit 05:50 < aestetix_> A startup idea that actually tries to solve a Big Problem 05:50 < aestetix_> http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/07/shower-with-friends-lets-you-gamify-water-consumption/ 05:53 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:23 <@Dagmar> "PheakNic was started by a group of mostly very young computer hackers. Most of them have grown up now. It.s time for the rest of you and the convention itself, to do the same." 06:23 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure he realizes he's actually talking to some of those people 06:23 <@Dagmar> *chuckle* 06:28 < aestetix_> Dagmar: indeed, something about grasshoppers 06:30 <@Dagmar> I'm like, I *did* "grow up". Eighteen years ago I would have just blown off most of this. 06:30 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't still be on about this unless I were taking it seriously 06:30 <@Dagmar> ...and trying to solve the problem like an adult. 06:30 <@Dagmar> There's just only so many avenues for redress, and we're onto the _last_ one now 06:30 <@Dagmar> I'm not siloing shit. 06:31 <@Dagmar> I'm putting it out there for the greater consideration of the entire damn "group", vis-a-vis, the mailing list 06:41 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 06:45 < aestetix_> sigh 06:45 < aestetix_> gave up on the backup, making a new backup 06:45 < aestetix_> I may be up for a while :/ 06:46 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: where do you find the time to write all these long and elaborate emails? 06:46 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:47 <@Dagmar> The fuck do you think I've been doing all night? 06:47 <@Dagmar> Hell man, these are _short_ emails for me 06:48 <@Dagmar> This 140-character bullshit is just ruining people's attention spans, I swear 06:48 < aestetix_> I'm offended 06:49 <@Dagmar> "penis" isn't even 140 characters. You don't get to be offended by that. 06:49 <@Dagmar> *archlook* 06:49 <@Dagmar> heh 06:52 < aestetix_> "grow up" is longer than "penis" 07:24 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 07:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:25 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DkGg1S64Vc 07:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Samuel L Jackson Reads Go The FUCK To Sleep The over night book sensation read by the master of sa - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 07:29 <@Dagmar> Yep seen it 07:29 <@Dolemite> The point is the message - go the fuck to sleep! 07:31 <@Dagmar> Dude it's 6:30am. Isn't it time for being up now? 07:31 <@Dagmar> I'm only like a third through this massive wall of text. 07:31 <@Dagmar> When your windows rattle as it slams into the internet, you'll know I've finally hit 'Send' 07:40 <@Dolemite> As for that claims that they're not far behind what has been done in the past... the internet wayback machine shows a slightly different story 07:42 <@Dagmar> who what 07:42 < aestetix_> hoo boy 07:42 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:43 < aestetix_> I can't wait for this one 07:43 <@Dagmar> If people are posting _while_ I'm writing this behemoth, I can't speak to the issues yet 07:44 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I take it you're working nights? :p 07:44 <@Dolemite> The archive.org website lets you go back in time to the state of web pages. If you simply go back into the PN 7-12 era, you can see that information was available much sooner than it was this year. Not the full monte, but at least there was a steady flowing trickle of information. 07:44 <@Dolemite> aestetix_: Dagmar is now a full time stay at home troll 07:44 <@Dagmar> Hell there's barely information on the site _now_ 07:44 < aestetix_> No wonder he has time to be so angry about PhreakNIC 07:44 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: I prefer the term "hardcore motherfucker" 07:45 <@Dagmar> If I wanted to troll full time, you'd be seeing the result of the rioting and fires on CNN. 07:45 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 07:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 07:45 < aestetix_> http://www.salon.com/2014/09/08/i_want_a_straight_white_male_gaming_convention_how_a_culture_war_exploded_in_the_video_gaming_world/ 07:50 <@Dolemite> Let's see... PhreakNIC X had the CFP and volunteer sign-up page online as early as April 26 07:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah you'll note that the current website takes the cop-out approach that "CFP goes year-round" but that's kind of bullshit since _that_ text only appeared on the internet less than two weeks ago 07:51 <@Dagmar> Dru completely doesn't get why we've been saying an actual call for papers needed to go out 07:51 <@Dolemite> Well the more important part was the ability for people to volunteer 07:51 <@Dagmar> ...and why we _were_ saying that it needs to go out some time back 07:51 <@Dagmar> We say these things, but apparently we're just talking to hear our lips flap 07:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: when will we be graced by your bombshell email? 08:00 <@Dagmar> I'm at the 2/3 point now 08:01 <@Dagmar> Typing up the stuff about RFCs ARE NOT MERE SUGGESTIONS AND WE ARE NOT KIDDING 08:01 <@Dagmar> ...and putting in the links about COD 08:01 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Dolemite, Feltenix, pdiz_ 08:01 <@Dagmar> Showing people that contrary to the story that was told, the site wasn't quite as "Drupal" as all that 08:02 <@Dagmar> I can't view that as anything other than deliberately witholding information in order to avoid blame. 08:02 <@Dagmar> ..and most importantly, avoid responsility for fucking up. 08:02 <@Dagmar> THey're trying to blame the sitewipe on Wilbur and I when *they're* the fucking idiots responsible for it 08:03 <@Dagmar> This is why "now I'm MAD" 08:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Feltenix, pdiz_, @Dolemite 08:09 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you're going to CC jonnyx explicitly in the email, right? :) 08:11 <@Dagmar> No, I'm not. 08:11 <@Dagmar> By now word *has* reached him that I'm about to dump info on that list 08:11 -!- CLansy [CLansy@c-76-105-69-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:11 <@Dagmar> If he wants to keep on pretending he can ignore things, well, that's one of our damn problems right now 08:12 <@Dagmar> He had the time to spend months and months listening to Amber witter on about bylaw bullshit, certainly he can spend an hour or two actually fucking listening to me 08:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> glad to see dagmar has been busy while I slept... 08:16 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.103] has joined #se2600 08:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ignotus-sdf] by ChanServ 08:18 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I believe he's inspired by the Iliad 08:19 <@Dagmar> Also I need more smokes and the smoke shop doesn't open for another 45 minutes I think, so tehre's that 08:20 <@Dagmar> Goddamn I just hit a wrong key and spawned a new chrome window 08:20 <@Dagmar> Nearly gave myself a heart attack thinking I'd nuked this doc before sendig it 08:20 < aestetix_> Your client doesn't autosave? 08:21 <@Dagmar> It probably does but this email is DAMN LONG now 08:21 < aestetix_> I can't wait 08:21 <@Dagmar> Subject: The gory details (not as long as Battlefield Earth) 08:21 < aestetix_> I'm sorry PhreakNIC..... I never meant to make you cry, but tonight, I'm cleaning out the closet 08:23 <@ignotus-sdf> Sounds like there's a good reason for tears. 08:23 <@Dagmar> There's reason for some minor mea culpas and some redface 08:23 <@Dagmar> That's about it 08:24 <@ignotus-sdf> ...and a "dust on the fingertips" inspection afterwards. 08:24 <@Dagmar> I'm listing all the smaller problems that have come together to manifest this clusterfuck 08:24 <@Dagmar> These little fucking things _add up_ 08:24 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:25 <@Dagmar> I 08:25 <@Dagmar> I've got a jug of slightly fewer than 200, 200mg caffiene pills in the other room, which I haven't opened in days 08:25 <@Dagmar> I don't need "dust" 08:26 <@Dagmar> I had another round of insomnia, so I wound up actually getting six hours of sleep (finally) which ended at about 10pm/ 08:26 < aestetix_> Dagmar: just remember that in another 30 minutes your mom will knock on the door asking if you have any job interviews today. 08:26 <@Dagmar> No she won't. 08:26 <@Dagmar> If it takes me until January to get my sleep schedule back in order, I'm taking that long 08:27 <@Dagmar> ...becasue I *have* to get that problem sorted because it's a thing that causes insanity and shortens lifespans 08:27 <@Dagmar> I'm already overdrawn on the first one 08:27 <@Dagmar> I'm making some progress on sleeping more than 2-3 hours at a go 08:27 <@Dagmar> Note the "six" above. That was six hours without waking up for no apparent reason 08:29 * RangerZ|Laptop claps wildly for the breakthrough 08:30 < aestetix_> Dagmar: just tell us when we should hit refresh on our inbox 08:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> damn it Dagmar give me back my sleep 08:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm only sleeping like 3hrs on my own 08:37 <@Dagmar> heh 08:37 <@Dagmar> I was about to escalate to druggs 08:38 < aestetix_> Are you 3/4 through yet? 08:38 < aestetix_> I really wanna see this email now 08:38 <@ignotus-sdf> I have had to use ZzzzQuil before. The Walmart version works better. 08:38 < aestetix_> I am desparately trying to stay awake long enough to get this slave set up 08:38 <@Dagmar> I'm just throwing in the last bits now 08:38 < aestetix_> it's just taking forever to load 08:42 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 08:44 -!- phlbna_ [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 08:44 -!- phlbna [~jeremyfou@pool-108-16-137-166.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49 < aestetix_> heh Wilpig_ beat you to it Dagmar 08:50 <@Wilpig_> not really 08:50 <@Dagmar> Sent. 08:51 <@Dagmar> The people complaining about "drama" on the list need to take a step back 08:51 < aestetix_> good fucking god 08:51 <@Dagmar> What? I told you it was long 08:51 <@Dagmar> Trying to declare these actual problems are "drama" and a thing to be avoided is one of the exact factors that led us to this point. 08:52 <@Dagmar> It's why Dru started fucking telling people to not talk to each other 08:52 <@Dagmar> There's a whole lot of fucking problems 08:52 <@Dagmar> They're all little, but together they do make a giant robot clusterfuck 08:52 <@ignotus-sdf> Don't know what they are, but I DO know that if folks aren't talking, then things escalate. 08:53 <@ignotus-sdf> Do you guys have a listserv like ATL does? 08:53 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: there is a google group that you can post to if you're an annointed one 08:53 <@brimstone> ignotus-sdf: 404 is on the same listserv as root@ 08:54 <@Wilpig_> otherwise there is the cons@se2600 or root@se2600 08:54 <@ignotus-sdf> ah. 08:54 <@Wilpig_> we've never really used 615@ 08:54 <@Wilpig_> I run them all there, are a billion fucking lists 08:55 <@ignotus-sdf> I guess that could get ugly real quick. 08:55 <@Dagmar> ignotus-sdf: Hey hey yep I think it's safe to say things have escalated 08:55 <@Dagmar> I deserve a fucking medal for not pointing fingers anywhere in that mail, too. 08:55 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I've got a pretty good fucking idea of where dru is getting some of the more crazy ideas 08:56 <@Dagmar> It's just not worth digging into because the fact of the matter is that he's operating with _bad information_ 08:56 <@Dagmar> ...and he's rejecting all attempts to correct it. 08:56 <@Dagmar> I expect that Ben will be the first to flip, provided he can make it all the way throught hat email 08:57 <@Dagmar> 'cuz yeah, the site might as well *have* had a fucking booby-trap in it 08:57 <@Dagmar> Saying it's a silly idea flies in the face of the fact that well, it did fuckin' happen 08:58 <@Dagmar> Hopefully no one's reactions are going to be more than red cheeks and a bit of head desking 08:58 <@Dagmar> Better to say this shit now while there's time to address it _before there's a hotel with a bunch of empty rooms_ and a _very_ small list of speakers. 08:59 <@Dagmar> Hopefully no one will act a git and throw their hands in the air over this. 09:00 <@ignotus-sdf> You're still what, 45 days out? It could be pulled together with the right attitude adjustment. 09:00 <@Dagmar> Time to brave the depredations of Mister Sun 09:00 <@Dagmar> ignotus-sdf: yeah the "attitude" problem is the most unpredictable one of all so far 09:01 <@Dagmar> I kinda suspect Dink may specifically bear the blame of the weaponized install.php, but it's not like I'll hold it against him. 09:01 <@Dagmar> That's like a minnow compared to the ancient Ciclids swimming around 09:01 <@Dagmar> (bigger fish to fry) 09:02 <@ignotus-sdf> Sounds like it. 09:02 <@Dagmar> Christ I'm looking at CORNFIELD outside 09:02 <@Dagmar> "Patchy fog" is what NOAA says 09:03 <@Dagmar> What I'm seeing is "Werewolves are probably hidin under your car" 09:03 <@Dagmar> with a side order of "better tie some string to the doorknob before you go" 09:03 <@Wilpig_> duplicated a section there. ;) 09:05 -!- K4k_ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 09:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: yeah... last night at 2am... it was bright enough outside to read a book, when not under one of the lights... b/c the fog was diffusing the light that much and bouncing it so much 09:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> but on the other side of the building... your werewolves wouldn't have had enough light to see.... lol 09:14 <@Wilpig_> bah! where is this cable jockey? fucker was supposed to be here at 9am 09:19 < aestetix_> vagina 09:20 <@Dagmar> wilpig: The RFC section was not a duplication, it was a reiteration 09:20 <@Dagmar> I always wind up having to repeat myself every damn time I bring up the idempotence issue 09:21 <@Dagmar> This *included* talking to the MythWeb dev despite the fact that it was sort of a "known" that if you let Google have a chance to smell your MythTV box, IT WILL COMPLETELY FUCK IT UP IN MOMENTS FLAT 09:21 <@Wilpig_> http://surfnstacey.tumblr.com/post/97027422668/digg-via 09:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: Every Night's Another Story (digg: (Via)) (at surfnstacey.tumblr.com) 09:21 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: * Verifiable information is being ignored was repeated verbatim 09:22 <@Dagmar> It's like "OM NOM LINKS!" *deletes channel* *deletes recordings* *deletes schdules* "YUM YUM LINKS" *deletes channels* *deletes recordings* *schedules recordings* *deletes inputs* 09:22 <@Dagmar> Okay so, six in the fuckin am man 09:22 <@Wilpig_> I was just giving you shit. 09:22 <@Dagmar> hehe 09:22 <@Wilpig_> the point is still valid. 09:23 <@Wilpig_> in any case. enjoy groot and rocket ala calvin and hobbes 09:23 <@brimstone> what's this groot theme? 09:23 <@brimstone> i feel like i'm missing something 09:23 <@brimstone> is it from that moving with the talking racoon? 09:24 <@brimstone> raccoon 09:24 <@Wilpig_> brimstone: yes 09:24 <@ignotus-sdf> Yes. 09:24 <@brimstone> ah 09:24 <@Dickie> HIS NAME IS ROCKET 09:24 <@Wilpig_> Guardians of the Galaxy. Now come out from under your rock and go give the movie industry your money 09:24 <@Dagmar> Did you not see Guardians of the Galaxy? 09:24 <@ignotus-sdf> No. I just know Groot is a talking tree. 09:25 <@brimstone> i wanna be a talking tree 09:25 <@rattle> I have not seen Guardians of the Galaxy yet, and I'm all pissed about that.. I want to see it. However, going to the movies with an infant is a non-starter.. 09:25 * brimstone kicks at the dirt 09:25 <@Dagmar> Yeah so... that's why you're confused 09:25 <@Wilpig_> rattle: thank you. 09:25 <@ignotus-sdf> Guy next to me already has the playset. 09:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> rattle: drive in 09:25 <@Wilpig_> that sucks, but as a movie going non-breeder. thank you 09:25 <@Dagmar> Rocket is a genetically modified racoon that is basically Calvin to Groot (being Hobbes) 09:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... that sucks 09:26 <@brimstone> wait, Groot is Hobbes? 09:26 <@brimstone> Hobbes isn't a tree 09:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> not offiiclly 09:26 * Wilpig_ kicks brimstone in the dick 09:26 <@Dagmar> rattle: But rattle, there's commercials I see for websites that do nothing but connect you with babysitters over the internet 09:26 <@ignotus-sdf> It was a height differential. 09:26 <@Dagmar> BECAUSE LETTING STRANGERS FROM THE INTERNET TAKE YOUR CHILD IS A TEWTELLY GREAT IDEA 09:26 <@rattle> Babysitters cost money. 09:26 <@brimstone> TEWTELLY 09:27 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: I'm thinking that handing off a child to a stranger from the internet is a good idea 09:27 <@Dagmar> This is true 09:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> rattle: just have notlarry come watch your baby, he loves sitting on babies 09:27 <@Dagmar> wilpig: So like, we're all on the same page about those commercials being laughably naieve then. heh 09:27 <@Wilpig_> I know not of these commercials of which you speak 09:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> me neither 09:27 * Wilpig_ has no cable 09:27 <@Wilpig_> commercial driven programming is gone 09:28 <@Dagmar> https://www.urbansitter.com/mobile 09:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: UrbanSitter Mobile App – UrbanSitter Babysitting (at www.urbansitter.com) 09:28 <@Wilpig_> ooooo wow.... uhh.... 09:28 <@Dagmar> There's a few of these 09:29 <@Dagmar> Some are running commercials on TV 09:29 <@Wilpig_> I wonder how many dude's have downloaded that to hit on the girls 09:29 <@Wilpig_> or send them creepy job requests 09:30 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking, how many people who like to stick babies in a cabinet and close the door for two hours does this facilitate 09:30 <@Dagmar> Such a person could garner a *lot* of glowing reviews before they're found out 09:30 <@Dagmar> I'm sure I'm doing GREAT things for the people with kids right now, too 09:30 <@Dagmar> Their peace of mind about their sitter... Geat 09:30 <@Dagmar> er great stuff 09:31 <@Dagmar> ...or if you want to get *really* crazy... 09:32 <@Dagmar> The kind of people who might put up a fake job just to lure in a popular babysitter, and then go take over their _next_ gig, because... Free baby 09:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: ohh yeah... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGiE10zNQM 09:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY Episode 1: Ruby Rose - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:32 <@Dagmar> wilpig: LOOK AWAY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE 09:34 <@Wilpig_> i wasn't paying attn luckily, what is it? 09:34 <@Wilpig_> i'm in weird company right now 09:34 <@Dagmar> Anime 09:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> its SFW, just a really good independent animated series on youtube 09:35 <@Dagmar> ...and probably absolutely no sneaky sex was involved in getting it that award 09:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> action, comedy, badass weaponry 09:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh... thats not right... 09:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe 09:35 <@Dagmar> Well you know, the GamerGate thing seems to have a pretty broad scope 09:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 09:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, this is a straight up 'popularity vote' 09:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> so all that good/bad that comes with that 09:37 <@Dagmar> Well, I suppose it's a good thing that /b/ didn't get ahold of it then. 09:37 <@Dagmar> My only complaint is the usual for anime. 09:38 <@Dagmar> Weak chins, as far as the eye can see. 09:38 <@Wilpig_> you want all your anime to star bruce campbell? 09:38 <@Dagmar> No, I want the usual. Guys with deep voices get square jaws that can bite the head off a fire hydrant 09:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, they installed the special 'anti-/b/' drupal plugin, but thankfully they removed the install.php... ohh i'm sorry, hehe 09:39 <@Dagmar> Guys with girly voices get weak chins 09:39 < aestetix_> and on that note, fuck this shit, I'm passing out 09:43 <@Wilpig_> oh catonic. lol 09:43 <@Dagmar> Dare I even look? 09:43 <@Wilpig_> it'll give you a chuckle. 09:43 <@Wilpig_> comrade 09:45 <@Dagmar> I got to use a GamerGate reference. :) 09:45 <@Dagmar> ...and an opportunity to proactively shoot someone's conspiracy theory in the face. 09:45 <@Wilpig_> heh. 09:47 <@Dagmar> This guy really does a good impression of the scientist from Half Life 09:49 <@Wilpig_> these guys pulling cable... ugh 09:50 <@Wilpig_> so they are installing two pieces of fiber total 09:50 <@Wilpig_> two guys, using one ladder, pulling one piece at a time 09:50 <@Dolemite> WTF? 09:50 <@Wilpig_> both pieces of fiber will be traveling the same path. why are they not pulling them both at once?!?!?!? 09:50 <@Dolemite> They are paid hourly? 09:50 <@Dagmar> Well at least it can only take twice as long as it should, maybe. 09:50 <@Wilpig_> there are two ladders in here as well. 09:50 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: no idea. they are from the connection provider 09:51 <@Wilpig_> metrolink or something like that 09:51 <@Dagmar> You know, in some places, people believe ladders are a two-man job because, accidents and gravity 09:51 <@Wilpig_> we're talking a 5' ladder here 09:51 <@Wilpig_> he's going up two steps on it, total 09:51 <@Wilpig_> just enough to reach the overhead ladder rack 09:52 <@CRasH180> Are they not very experienced at running cable? 09:52 <@CRasH180> Well, I answered my own question 09:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah never underestimate stupidity 09:52 <@ignotus-sdf> Are they Union? 09:52 <@Dagmar> Would you rather be cleaning blood off the floor? 09:52 <@Wilpig_> no clue. wearing polo's and jeans so their attire fits 09:52 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: I wouldn't be cleaning it, the facility here would be. ;) 09:53 -!- Dot_Warner [~Dot_Warne@2601:0:a800:3df:e52c:2cdf:4de7:f165] has joined #se2600 09:53 <@Wilpig_> we also not talking about the 15' ladders we have down in the computer room either 09:54 <@Wilpig_> i'd take a picture so y'all could see and laugh but that's so against the rules 09:54 <@ignotus-sdf> You know the union guys need about 3 levels of approval, forms in triplicate, a pay raise, and 2 breaks in order to wipe their own buttocks. 09:54 <@ignotus-sdf> (ooops. Did I say that out loud?) 09:54 < Dot_Warner> Hellooooooooooooo Nurse! :) 09:54 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: they dealt with that just to get in this room 09:55 <@Wilpig_> they also needed separate clearance to open the top half of this one rack 09:55 <@Wilpig_> they aren't allowed to open anything else 09:56 <@ignotus-sdf> Good. I know when our NYC datacenter had that big flooding, our customers were even showing up to help. 09:57 <@Wilpig_> cable installers are definitely experienced. just saw the dude measuring cable with his arms. heh 09:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: don't lie... we all know that NYC would never flood, the US spends too much of its money building infrastructure like new roads, earthen dams, drainage ditches, hurricane reefs, and high speed rails 09:58 <@Dagmar> He knows how long his arms are 09:58 <@Dagmar> Conveniently, I have a wingspan almost exactly six feet long 09:58 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58 <@Wilpig_> most of us do 09:58 <@Wilpig_> that's how I measure cable as well 09:58 <@Dickie> :-( 09:58 * Dickie is 5'6" 09:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> hey, stop insulting Dru, thats not fair to the sorties 09:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dickie: you could have a 6' wingspan 09:59 <@Wilpig_> uh oh. gio is up here, that's never good 09:59 <@ignotus-sdf> lol. I'm with Dickie. Us Oompa Loompas aren't measuring crap with our arms like that. 09:59 <@Dickie> If I were some kind of lanky freak 09:59 <@Dagmar> BUllshit man 09:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> michael phelps has a 1ft longer wingspan than his height or something freakish like that 09:59 <@Dickie> Key work: freakish 09:59 <@Dagmar> You need to swap those numbers around 09:59 <@Dickie> word* 10:00 <@Dickie> bah 10:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: what do you mean? you can measure in 5ft increments easily ? 10:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol (I have no idea how tall you are) 10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> but in all seriousness, we had a 5ft tall guy who measured cables that way, and it worked well 10:02 <@Wilpig_> I showed that to our new guy, blew his mind. 10:02 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah, I'm 5'6". 10:03 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:03 <@Wilpig_> ROFL http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/bonerbonerbonerbonerbonerbonerboner.png 10:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm glad you're imagining notlarry naked 10:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> so that none of the rest of us have to 10:07 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:13 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@99-2-136-47.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:13 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 10:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 10:17 <@Dagmar> "Some girl's in trouble!" LOL 10:19 <@Wilpig_> ? 10:25 < RangerZ1> http://youtu.be/QCw_aAS7vWI 10:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY "Yellow" Trailer - YouTube (at youtu.be) 10:25 < RangerZ1> so the 'trailer'(s) have story plot extras in them 10:26 <@Dagmar> This anime is pretty funny. You should watch it when you get home 10:27 < RangerZ1> and it has ...pretty good.... production values 10:28 < RangerZ1> b/c you can tell that when they want to spend the time/money on a scene, they can, lol 10:30 <@Wilpig_> i'll do that if i remember 10:30 <@Wilpig_> watching "under the dome" right now 10:30 <@Dagmar> There's even a minimum of shrillness. 10:30 <@Dagmar> I say a _minimum_. There is definitely some, because... japanese girls. 10:31 < RangerZ1> american girls 'technically' since its like avatar, american made 10:31 < RangerZ1> but yeah 10:33 <@Dagmar> Also more than a few of the girls are clearly certifiable 10:34 <@ignotus-sdf> Dagmar: "certifiable girls"... I am sensing a common theme between fantasy and reality. 10:34 < RangerZ1> I was going to ask Dagmar if he dated any of the characters 10:35 <@Dagmar> Hell, I'd probably be engaged to the redhead 10:36 <@Dagmar> She's fuckin' unhinged 10:37 <@ignotus-sdf> I sense this is where Wilpig_ begins taking that theme and running with it. Depending on if his unionized cable guys have found the crimper manual or not. 10:39 -!- cordless [cordless@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #se2600 10:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o cordless] by ChanServ 10:40 <@Wilpig_> no crimper, god I hope no crimper. we're dealing with fiber here 10:40 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:40 <@Dagmar> How do you expect them to route it tightly around corners properly without a crimpler? 10:41 <@Wilpig_> using a bic lighter and pulling hard? 10:41 <@Dagmar> No one's impressed by sloppy loops of excess fiber cable 10:41 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41 <@Wilpig_> we have loops. it was either accept a loop of 2m worth of excess or wait for them to come back friday with the proper length 10:42 <@Wilpig_> this is what cable management was made for 10:42 <@ignotus-sdf> We have an email that traditionally runs around work here about fiber and the argument that the technical difficulty was due to the speed of light. No joke. 10:42 <@Wilpig_> just found out we have another mystery cable as well. port 9 on this patch panel is in use now but wasn't when I did the last audit of this shit 10:42 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: I'm gonna use that joke some time 10:43 <@ignotus-sdf> Our guy literally told the customer that the latency was due to the boundaries of the speed of light. He has recovered since then. 10:43 <@Dagmar> heheh 10:44 < RangerZ> I've told a customer that his wifi wasn't working because of a solar maximum causing high altitude ionizing radiation that interferes with all ground based radio waves 10:45 < RangerZ> the _entire_ fucking call center put their calls on hold and just stared at me... 10:46 < RangerZ> he aske me to list "all" the reasons that his wifi could not be connnecting... 10:46 < RangerZ> hehehe 10:47 <@ignotus-sdf> Or... "You got 99 problems, but a manual ain't one. Have a nice day." 10:48 <@ignotus-sdf> Oh, the times I have had to be forcibly stopped from using Let Me Google That For You on a customer. 10:48 <@ignotus-sdf> :D 10:48 <@Dagmar> Oh I've done it 10:49 <@Wilpig_> I have sent out "solar flares" as an official response to shit here more than once 10:49 <@Dagmar> THat's how you go from not having a clue to knowing what your'e doing 10:49 <@Dagmar> ...without waiting on hold 10:49 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 10:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 10:50 < RangerZ> thing was... I wasn't making it up that day either, b/c I'd just read it on nasa.gov I forget the exact terminology I used, but it was amusing, lol 10:55 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah, I used to watch the solar flare thing. 10:55 <@Dagmar> I take the optimistic view on that 10:56 <@Dagmar> When solar flares seriously screw things up, we won't be hearing about it from NASA. 10:57 <@ignotus-sdf> Nothing is quite as sweet as convincing a stuffed shirt that he needs to upgrade to Token Ring for enhanced speed and then letting him run wild. It's the ultimate snipe hunt. 10:58 <@ignotus-sdf> "Sure, gigabit Token Ring should be perfectly doable. Have a wonderful day." 10:59 <@Dagmar> Dude, that's evil 11:00 < RangerZ> thats... evil... 11:01 < RangerZ> i looked for another word, but thats about the only one that covers it 11:02 <@ignotus-sdf> That's something that might happen when you say that your webhost's support team are lazy effing idiots. So, as Sir Anthony might say, "Quid pro quo..." 11:04 < RangerZ> speaking of... 11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> Speaking of, I have a linux admin to go hammer. Now he has a Linux cert, we all have to use telepathy now to know what domains he is referring to. 11:04 < RangerZ> I love the new name for Cuomo in NY Quid Pro Cuomo 11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> LOL 11:05 < RangerZ> love him or hate him, but sam seder does come up with some good one liners 11:05 <@shapr> good morning! 11:05 * shapr hugs klixa 11:06 < RangerZ> shapr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGiE10zNQM 11:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY Episode 1: Ruby Rose - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 11:06 < RangerZ> I'm sorry, but you must lose hours to this american anime too 11:06 < RangerZ> lol 11:06 < RangerZ> but anyways, off to work :/ 11:06 <@shapr> RangerZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G506d1pmjE 11:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: GoPro: Unicycling Moab - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 11:06 <@Dagmar> Nah just two 11:07 <@Dagmar> Looks like there's less than 20 5-6 minute eps 11:07 < RangerZ> 10~15min ones too 11:07 < RangerZ> but yeah, just 2~3 hours total 11:08 < RangerZ> later, also, Dagmar this time... let all of Homer's work, not just the iliad inspire your writings 11:08 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09 <@Dagmar> Umm... I know from past experience that too much verbosity leads to people skimming 11:09 <@Dagmar> ...and then you wind up repeating things or people failing to follow the logic because they miss a step or three 11:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@adsl-065-015-088-035.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:13 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:16 <@Wilpig_> oh dagmar... 11:16 <@Wilpig_> would you like to fire back at tilghman in a fun way? http://dragoncon.org/install.php 11:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Drupal already installed | Drupal (at dragoncon.org) 11:16 <@Dagmar> Probably so 11:17 <@Dagmar> I *could* always go actually _install_ Drupal, but I figure since i've *done that* a few times in the past and don't recall it being aggressively stupid... 11:17 <@shapr> uh oh 11:17 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 11:17 <@shapr> I read the drupal source code once, had a bunch of critiques to make about it. Little did I know the author was sitting next to the guy I was talking to. 11:17 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18 <@Wilpig_> just pointing out that dragoncon is using drupal AND the installer is still in place but it isn't wiping the website 11:18 <@Dagmar> I mean I would have remembered it _instagibbing_ the existing config 11:18 <@Wilpig_> dragoncon is probably also paying someone to maintain that shit where pn isn't 11:18 <@Dagmar> I figured at hte very least you'd have to go through all those damn dialogs again, and there was *definitely* not enough time for that 11:19 <@Dagmar> Jesus 11:20 <@Dagmar> I have accidentally triggered a "sensibility' response in Catonic 11:20 * Dagmar runs in circles 11:20 <@ignotus-sdf> I am sure you are forgiven. 11:20 * shapr hops in squares 11:20 * ignotus-sdf is considering Whack-A-Mole. 11:21 <@ignotus-sdf> I hate Tivoli. 11:21 <@Dagmar> It could be worse 11:21 <@Dagmar> It could be Veem 11:21 <@ignotus-sdf> True. It's not Tivoli I hate as much as the admins who are paid twice what I am, and still no nothing about it. 11:21 < Warcop> sounds about right 11:21 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feipjhwpveehtwud] has joined #se2600 11:21 <@ignotus-sdf> no=know= in this case, the same. 11:22 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: YOU'RE BACK 11:22 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feipjhwpveehtwud] has quit [Changing host] 11:22 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:22 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ 11:22 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Changing host] 11:22 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feipjhwpveehtwud] has joined #se2600 11:22 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by sinisalo.freenode.net 11:22 <@shapr> or not? 11:22 * shapr is confused 11:22 <@klixa-cloud> hey shapr 11:22 <@ignotus-sdf> Your obeisance scared her. 11:22 <@klixa-cloud> I'm installing updates on main computer 11:22 <@shapr> OH HAI 11:22 <@shapr> how you doin? 11:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:23 <@klixa-cloud> I'm good; I'm drinking a pumpkin pie smoothie and waking up... and I reformatted my hd for first time in 2 years 11:23 <@klixa-cloud> how are you doing shapr ? 11:27 <@Dagmar> heheheh 11:28 <@Dagmar> I wonder if I could get a pumpkin spice costume for Halloween 11:29 * oddball wakes up and tries to wade through the shit storm of emails that went out last night. 11:30 <@Dagmar> Things are way better than I expected so... there's that 11:30 <@oddball> I'm just going to guess that Fearless Leader still hasn't responded to shit. 11:31 <@Dagmar> Nope 11:31 <@oddball> this is my shocked face. 11:31 <@Dolemite> Everytime you refer to him as Fearless Leader I picture him and Dennis Rodman hanging out together, like Dennis and Kim Jong-Un. 11:32 <@oddball> heh 11:32 <@ignotus-sdf> From the outside, it appears that if he realizes you guys actually WANT him to look good, it might sort itself out. 11:32 <@Dagmar> I should damn well hope so 11:32 <@Dolemite> I'm surprised that nobody has managed to photoshop that, yet. Or Dru's head on a Chairman Mao picture. 11:32 <@Dagmar> I'm bending over backwards here to give him a chance to save face and look good doing it 11:32 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 <@oddball> ignotus-sdf: See... but you're using logic and looking at reality. Two things I'm not sure he's capable of doing at this point. 11:32 -!- CLansy|work [~cslansing@usa.prometheanworld.com] has joined #se2600 11:33 <@Dagmar> Yeah _that_ is a concern 11:33 <@oddball> Dolemite: That would work well with the Soviet propoganda he's decided to use for this year. 11:33 <@Dagmar> Those groundless insults he threw at me are not his normal fare 11:33 <@ignotus-sdf> Didn't that Alien critter cover the whole head in the beginning? (you see where I'm going with this) 11:34 <@Dagmar> I kinda felt like I was talking to Hogan there for a bit 11:34 <@Dagmar> (The PHB who would say things so jaw-droppingly dumb, I couldn't even respond to them) 11:34 <@oddball> Apparently one of the changes he talked about early in the year from how Wilpig_ and Dolemite ran things was... actually getting shit done. 11:35 <@Dagmar> If federal marshalls show up at mine or Wilpig's apartments tho, I'm calling his mom. 11:35 <@Dolemite> Wait, what? He claimed that I didn't get things done? 11:35 <@Dagmar> Oi! Let's not get bogged down in mouth-runnery of the past 11:36 <@Dagmar> No one's been perfect at this, ever 11:36 <@oddball> Dolemite: no no... swap that around. 11:36 <@oddball> I'm saying you got shit done 11:37 <@brimstone> heh, Dagmar just social engineered dragon*con 11:37 <@Dagmar> NO 11:37 * brimstone tweets about it on the pinterest+ 11:37 <@Dagmar> OKay. Shit 11:37 * Dot_Warner waves Hi to brimstone 11:37 <@brimstone> hi Dot_Warner 11:37 <@Dagmar> I actually worried for a bit that the site *might* have broken and made a point of *not* checking the main site because I thought it was paranoid 11:38 < Dot_Warner> How are you? 11:38 <@ignotus-sdf> Dagmar: congrats. You have a place at the next HOPE. 11:38 <@Dagmar> lol 11:38 <@brimstone> Dot_Warner: busy as usual 11:38 < Dot_Warner> lol that's cool 11:40 <@Dolemite> oddball: Gotcha 11:42 <@Wilpig_> hey motherfucker, I got shit done with the exception of the shit assigned to dru last year 11:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:43 * Dot_Warner sits next to ignotus :) 11:43 <@ignotus-sdf> :) 11:44 <@oddball> Wilpig_: Right.... you and Dolemite got shit done. Fearless Leader gave this speach early this year about how you guys did a good job, yadda yadda, but that you guys had moved on and he was in control now and he was going to do things his way. 11:44 <@oddball> Apparently his way doesn't include "getting shit done." 11:45 <@oddball> It does, on the other hand, include blaming everyone else for his mistakes. 11:45 <@Wilpig_> if the bylaws would have allowed it i'll still be pulling strings. honestly if the current officers weren't being douchefucks i'd do what i've always done and get shit done 11:45 <@Wilpig_> the exception would be I couldnt' meet with folks locally anymore 11:45 <@Dolemite> oddball: He's not even doing that. He's simply working on the World Championship Hide and Seek trophy. 11:46 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: eh, I'm okay 11:46 <@oddball> Dolemite: heh... fair enough. 11:46 <@shapr> klixa: which one of you is 'real'? klixa-cloud or klixa? 11:48 <@Dolemite> Hrmm. The Senate has advanced an amendment proposal to overturn Citizens United, with a bipartison vote. I'll bet we get another party line vote in the House. 11:49 <@Dagmar> More reason to declare the GOP an enemy of the people. 11:49 <@Dagmar> ...as fucking insane as that sounds. 11:50 <@Dagmar> Oh shit there's more of those damn RWBY things 11:50 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah... my political lists have been exploding over that. 11:50 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-63-247.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:51 <@oddball> And of course, I have a few twits that are saying that it's anti-2nd amendment because... ummm... reasons. 11:51 <@Dagmar> Blunt force trauma to the head 11:51 <@oddball> Nevermind that it's the anti-gun side that tends to have the single contributers dropping tons of money. 11:55 <@Dagmar> 'cuz they're worried people might fight back 11:56 < frsilent> Dagmar: why emails ssoooo long??? 11:56 < frsilent> also, using a static site generator (like Jekyll) would've been far less work for a site 11:56 <@ignotus-sdf> I think there should be a functional increase in low tek technology, myself. 11:57 <@Dagmar> I can one-liner the wget thing, including putting it into cron 11:57 <@Dagmar> "How" isn't really an issue 11:57 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: There's a second volume of these damn things, man 11:57 <@Dagmar> ..and they're _better_ 11:58 <@Dagmar> A mo'fkin food fight with watermelons 11:58 <@Dagmar> ...and LEEK COMBAT 11:58 <@ignotus-sdf> leeeeeks. I haz happy. 11:58 <@Dagmar> This is some deranged-ass fan service 12:00 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 12:00 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: There's a second volume of these damn things, man 12:01 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPZ6joXq5Y 12:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: RWBY Volume 2: Chapter 1 "Best Day Ever" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 12:02 <@Dagmar> Thankfully there are only six episodes in Vol 2 12:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 12:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> so far 12:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think they are still in production 12:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> not sure, I haven't looked too much into it 12:06 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 12:07 <@Dagmar> Well, they've put a lot more detail into the anime in the second volume 12:11 <@rattle> Tossing a con is larger than an issue with a CMS. You're all going full retard. 12:11 <@rattle> That said, Drupal causes AIDS. Not HIV, full blown AIDS. Should have used Wordpress. 12:12 <@Dagmar> Yeah because the lack of a schedule, or a CFP, and the cult of personality stuff going on isn't actually happening 12:12 <@Dagmar> I didn't without reason use the giant robot analogy in that email 12:12 <@Dagmar> We've got a dozen dinky little things that are fucking us over on the macro level 12:14 <@rattle> Last weekend I spoke at a first year con in St Louis. It was basically organized by 4 people. Went off without a hitch. Pulled Bruce Schneier, Richard Bejtlich, Charlie Miller, etc.. It's not like security cons don't roll well in the south. It's just requires a basic level of having your shit together.. 12:15 <@rattle> They're a 501c3 too. 12:15 <@Wilpig_> having your shit together... yes. this is the key 12:15 <@Dagmar> Didja notice I mention we've been bogged down in bullshit about bylaws for like half the year: 12:15 <@Dagmar> ? 12:16 <@Dagmar> I was trying to not be all "DO THIS NOW" about that 12:16 <@Wilpig_> showing up to a meeting saying "I have x, x, and x speakers lined up and ready" and then a week or two before the con them all having excuses is not having your shit together 12:16 <@Dagmar> ...mainly because I detest dealing with Amber 12:16 <@Wilpig_> saying "we're doing x at y event with the help that y's staff" and then y's staff not having a clue wtf you're talking about... is not having your shit together 12:17 <@Dagmar> I've been trying to suss out where the jacked-upness is coming from 12:17 <@oddball> Speaking of which... I still need to hear back from him about what exactly he wants the Hypericon staff to do for the consuite... if anything. 12:21 <@Wilpig_> pay the hotel for the food 12:23 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 12:23 <@Dagmar> Focusing on the website is basically... a red-herring 12:23 <@Dagmar> A whole lot of things got us to that point 12:24 <@rattle> Haven't you been the one focusing on the website? 12:24 <@Dagmar> Because it was a _clear_ fuckup 12:25 <@Dagmar> I've gotten nowhere trying to address the individual problems 12:25 <@Dagmar> They've just gotten worse over time 12:25 <@Dagmar> The siloing? That's fuckin' paranoid. 12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> dagmar i just emailed about that 12:25 <@Dagmar> Dru might be paranoid, but he's normally not _that_ paranoid. 12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> saying how ...here is a shocker... Communication is what the officers lack right now 12:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm trying to play the 'neutral' 3rd party, and hoping that I can get them to respond that way 12:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c otherwise it looks bad 12:26 <@Dagmar> All I can really do is identify the things that are _clearly_ fucked, and work towards root causes from there. 12:26 <@Dagmar> Like.... how the fuck did Dru become so fucking convinced that Wilpig is out to get him 12:29 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: they did set up their own list. they just don't use it 12:30 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: I don't know, that shit started last year before phreaknic 12:30 <@Wilpig_> it became very evident at phreaknic itself, and since then has spiraled 12:32 < Warcop> I'll offer a 3rd party suggestion - don't try to solve all the problems at once. Don't try to solve problems via e-mail. Don't you guys have phone numbers? Pick up the phone, get on a web conference, video chat and pull everyone together and focus on the opporunity to solve the problem and not the problem itself. 12:33 < Warcop> You'll be at least 30% more efficient in correcting things if you get out of e-mail. 12:33 <@Wilpig_> Warcop: you don't understand the root issue. Dru is fucking paranoid and partially using me as a scapegoat for when shit fails 12:34 <@Wilpig_> he has a history of using excuses for not meeting deadlines or why this or that didn't work 12:34 <@Wilpig_> it's never his fault or lack of planning, but someone else's fault 12:34 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34 < frsilent> guess I'll start on a site for pn 19..... 12:34 < frsilent> lol 12:35 < Warcop> So if I read this all correctly, do you have any intention of getting back on even terms or is a witch hunt? 12:35 <@Dagmar> More of a 'mystery hunt'. 12:35 <@Dagmar> I could name the damn witch, but it would accomplish anything. 12:35 <@Dagmar> er wouldn't 12:36 < Warcop> Burning it down may leave you with a bunch of unrecoverable ashes. 12:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, I'm not trying to burn anything down 12:36 <@Dagmar> If I were I'd just jump up and down and holler 'no confidence'. 12:36 <@rattle> I find the whole thing strange. Dru is typically very easy to work with. 12:36 <@Dagmar> I've outlined a bunch of small problems that together have managed to cause a great deal of bullshit 12:38 < Warcop> I don't believe calling out all these problems very publically with a particularly small group of people trust instilling or confidence building. 12:38 <@Dagmar> Guess what happened as I've been trying to handle this quietly on a face-to-face basis. 12:38 <@Dagmar> Just take a guess. 12:38 < Warcop> You made it clear what happened. 12:38 <@Dagmar> Short of filling some socks with bars of soap, I'm out of ideas. 12:39 <@Dagmar> This last Friday meeting was just the most overt attempt I've made 12:39 <@Dagmar> I was like, "Here are facts. Facts, meet person." 12:40 <@Dagmar> Said person then ignored facts. *shrug* 12:40 < Warcop> Personally, I'm still not a fan of taking things publically. I believe someone pointed out on the root list it is somewhat tarnishing things. Outside looking in here. 12:40 <@Dagmar> That's more than a little broken 12:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, worse would be letting this fester 12:40 <@Dagmar> MUCH worse 12:40 <@Dagmar> I pledged my time, repeatedly. 12:41 <@Dagmar> I explained _what_ it was I was pledging to do 12:41 <@Dagmar> But... apparently I'm a damn IRC savage who can't be trusted to accomplish things correctly. 12:41 <@Dagmar> ...or something. 12:41 <@Dagmar> I've no fucking idea. 12:41 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 12:41 <@Dagmar> Ben was complaining about "them" all being worn out, and to me, that would be a sign one should _take people up on their offers of help and time_ 12:41 <@shapr> klixa: more coffee? 12:41 <@Dagmar> Not shut them out 12:42 <@Dagmar> ...or to at least follow the footsteps of what's been done before, which involved not trying to individually go to every little con everywhere and let people know, but to actually have a visible and coherent presence in the form of a website 12:43 <@Dagmar> We got _runaround_ for months 12:43 <@Dagmar> Despite offering to damn well do it 12:43 <@Dagmar> Dru wanted to obsess about Wilpig being "out to get him" and relocate everything to elsewhere 12:44 <@Dagmar> If wilpig _hated_ you but was responsible for keeping your shit online, he would still keep your shit online no matter what 12:45 <@Dagmar> I am *hoping* that with this plethora of evidence to the contrary, he will realize that whatever lurid tale he's been fed about how the website broke is pure, unadulterate bullshit, and that he needs to reevaluate just who he's listening to about what. 12:45 <@ignotus-sdf> I've learned in the short time I've been here that if Wilpig picks at you on something, it's for a good reason. Acknowledge it, work with it, and all goes well after that. 12:46 < Warcop> Well, it is all very interesting. 12:46 <@Dagmar> By the way, in reference to the Code of Conduct... No. 12:47 <@Dagmar> I will not respect Pico users. 12:47 <@shapr> NANO 12:47 <@Dagmar> Everything else I'm fine with, but fuck those people. 12:47 <@ignotus-sdf> shapr: nano, ftw. 12:47 <@Dagmar> hehe 12:47 <@ignotus-sdf> vi, maybe. never emacs. 12:47 <@shapr> I'm using ERC Version 5.3 with GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.7, multi-tty) of 2014-03-07. 12:48 <@shapr> My IRC client is emacs :-P 12:48 <@Dagmar> Emacs users are not my problem because all their time is spent trying to figure out how to do everything in Emacs 12:48 <@ignotus-sdf> boo, hiss. 12:48 <@shapr> Dagmar: I already DO everything in emacs! 12:48 -!- K4k_ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 12:48 <@Dagmar> Might as well worry about pro-recreational-weed smokers getting too much done 12:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 12:48 <@shapr> I get a surprising amount done in emacs. 12:49 <@ignotus-sdf> troof. Emacs is its own monster. "Yo, dawg! I modded yo emacs so you can mod the mods in yo emacs!" 12:49 <@shapr> When I worked at Raytheon, they'd also give me the text-munging tasks. 12:49 <@Dagmar> Good choice of words. ;) 12:49 <@shapr> haha 12:49 <@ignotus-sdf> It was like trying to write a Sendmail config from scratch for me. 12:49 <@shapr> sendmail config, ow 12:49 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah. 12:50 <@Dagmar> I blame the RFCs 12:50 <@ignotus-sdf> "I write the RFCs that make the whole world scream..." 12:51 <@shapr> I used vim until I did a bunch of research for a blog post, and seriously tried emacs for a month 12:51 <@shapr> and now I use emacs 12:51 <@ignotus-sdf> and now that you all have Barry Manilow stuck in your heads, I have done my job. 12:51 <@ignotus-sdf> close enough. 12:51 <@Dagmar> So what you're telling us, is basically that the damage is irreversible. 12:52 <@shapr> I still use vim sometimes, but emacs does more for me. 12:52 <@Dagmar> I just need it to edit lines, and maybe some color syntax highlighting 12:53 <@ignotus-sdf> I really can't use it because most of our deploys only have the basics. so I either have nano or vim at my disposal. 12:54 <@shapr> emacs can edit over ssh/scp/etc 12:55 <@shapr> though I mostly use sshfs for that kind of thing 12:56 <@Dagmar> Hey so can vi 12:56 < Warcop> Really.. So I'm wearing my "No I will not fix your computer shirt" and I'll be damn someone asks me about their WiFI issues here at Starbucks.. wtf 12:56 <@Dagmar> I use it over ssh all the time. :) 12:56 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah, out company politik is too soft. I think we should be more draconian with our admin style. 12:57 <@ignotus-sdf> "Oh, you changed the root password? Hold on while I shut your crap down and change it back." <=== My view 12:58 <@oddball> Warcop: Oh, that's simple. That shirt tells them that you know how. 12:58 <@ignotus-sdf> Warcop: I like the "got root?" myself. 12:59 <@Dagmar> Tell em it's probably not compatible with the Stingray the FBI just deployed down the street 13:09 <@ignotus-sdf> I just realized that we should have a con in ATL. 13:09 <@ignotus-sdf> We'll call it WaldoCon. If you find us, we'll have it. 13:10 <@ignotus-sdf> (poking to get a convo started again) 13:11 < Warcop> Ugh.. the ATL scene is difficult. TRAFFIC 13:11 < scoob> yeah 13:12 < Warcop> it'd be better to have a virtual meeting space 13:12 < scoob> and 2600 is on Friday night 13:12 < scoob> right in the middle of the clusterfuck 13:12 < scoob> It doesn't have to be virtual 13:12 < scoob> It should just be... near me 13:12 < scoob> =) 13:12 <@oddball> By the way, what's the deal with Atlanta and their apparent hatred of turn arrows? 13:14 <@ignotus-sdf> scoob: so what side are you? (area) 13:14 < scoob> The Few. The Proud. The OTP. 13:14 <@ignotus-sdf> oddball: they are too hard and require thought. If we tried hard enough, we could become Boston. 13:14 <@Dolemite> OTP represent! 13:14 < scoob> ignotus-sdf, another place I lived! 13:15 <@ignotus-sdf> scoob, you survived! There the traffic signals are for antiquated decoration of a time long passed. 13:15 <@Dagmar> The One Time Pad? 13:16 <@Dolemite> Outside The Perimeter 13:16 <@Dagmar> Ah 13:16 < scoob> Not sure why people tried to drive in Boston 13:16 <@ignotus-sdf> To hit those of us that were walking. 13:16 <@Dolemite> Technically most of us here are OTP, because last I checked, TN was Outside The Perimeter 13:16 <@Dagmar> I really, *really* want to make a joke about running being dangerous 13:16 <@ignotus-sdf> Alabama is Outside The Perimeter. 13:16 <@Dolemite> yep 13:17 < scoob> If I drove in Boston I'd probably kill someone 13:17 <@oddball> For some reason, didn't notice until this year that damn near none of the intersections in downtown Atlanta seem to have left turn arrows. 13:17 < scoob> I drove back from a Braves game 13:17 < scoob> Fuck the rules of traffic 13:17 < scoob> They arbitrarily ignore double yellows 13:17 < scoob> and reverse flow 13:17 < scoob> largely without signs/lights 13:17 <@ignotus-sdf> We are Gwinnett. They have turn signals there. 13:18 < scoob> Something that I see here that I never saw up north 13:18 < scoob> "warning" traffic lights 13:18 < scoob> for when the actual intersection is around a corner 13:18 < scoob> There's a light on the near side of the bend to tell you what's coming up 13:18 <@Dagmar> Well, they'll sneak up on ya 13:18 < scoob> Sure 13:18 < scoob> Think it's genuinely useful 13:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> back, but ehh 13:20 <@ignotus-sdf> we had no problem getting to Lenox last friday. Meetings at 7. Heading South on 85, no prob. 13:20 < scoob> I live on 400 13:20 < scoob> I was planning to make it last week but it didn't work out =/ 13:20 < scoob> I'll be at DC404 though 13:20 <@ignotus-sdf> See, that's the one I can't make cuz I work Saturdays. 13:21 < scoob> ah 13:21 < scoob> I'll be giving a presentation this month 13:22 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm reading emails from the DC404 list on another screen right now. 13:29 < frsilent> how's dc404 attendance compare to lenox 2600? 13:29 < frsilent> <--sandy springs 13:33 -!- Nexus_L [~mike@cpe-174-100-54-48.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:33 <@ignotus-sdf> I imagine dc404 has more, because our 404 is getting resurrected. 13:34 < scoob> dc404 has been busy last few months 13:40 <@ignotus-sdf> We live in North Seoul. 13:40 <@ignotus-sdf> I mean Duluth. 13:41 <@ignotus-sdf> Of course, I remember when most of it was trees and dirt roads. 13:42 < frsilent> lol 13:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 13:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 13:45 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:46 <@Dagmar> heheh 13:52 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@adsl-065-015-088-035.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 13:56 < Dot_Warner> lol How the heck did you confuse north seoul and duluth?? heheheh 13:57 <@Wilpig_> new coworker has never seen goatse, lemonparty, 2girls1cup, tubgirl, mr hands, etc 13:59 <@Dolemite> I'm afraid to ask what lemonparty is 13:59 <@Dolemite> yay for ud 13:59 <@Wilpig_> chickenshit 14:00 <@ignotus-sdf> Dot_Warner: um... all of the signs we can't read? 14:00 <@Dolemite> s/chickenshit/wise 14:00 <@Wilpig_> http://www.jessicagottlieb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama-The-Socialist.png 14:00 <@ignotus-sdf> agree with Dolemite. Let new coworker remain innocent. 14:01 <@Wilpig_> I'm all for causing mental illness 14:01 <@Dolemite> That will happen in due time as he remains in close proximity to you 14:01 <@Wilpig_> this is true 14:02 <@Wilpig_> I've been a generally happy fucker for the last year or so 14:08 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: lies! 14:09 <@Dolemite> Mirage: You've been waiting all day to make an entrance like that 14:09 <@Dolemite> Well played, Mirage. Well played. 14:10 <@Mirage> Dolemite: I've been in WebEx meetings most of the day...and trying to catch up on the mail thread on the se2600 root list. 14:10 <@Dolemite> TL;DR - Dru isn't going to respond; Dagmar isn't going to stop asking 14:10 <@Mirage> My 1PM got pushed back to 2PM, so now I don't know what to do withmyself. 14:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> Mirage: post to se2600 mailing list 14:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh.... I didn't read your above statement 14:13 <@Mirage> Last night my wife learned how to replace electrical outlets and install a ceiling fan. I figured that was a good follow-up to her discovery a couple days ago that "black isn't ground, is it?" 14:13 <@Dolemite> heh 14:13 <@Mirage> Teaching her the basics of electricity in the house was much less painful than catching up on that mail thread... 14:16 <@ignotus-sdf> Mirage: you will reap the benefits of that, my friend. 14:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep, se2600 mail list is well worth it 14:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: thats what you mean right? hehe 14:17 <@Mirage> Mildly amusing...I hit PJW about what software was used as the basis for vShare a couple months ago and he said he' 14:17 <@Mirage> d look over his notes and let me know "tomorrow. 14:18 <@ignotus-sdf> heh, no. Helping his wife become an electrician is much more useful. 14:18 <@Mirage> I got an email today, finally, containing only the name of the software. It took me a couple minutes to figure out why he'd emailed me simply "OpenUpload". 14:18 <@ignotus-sdf> Until he pisses her off and she rewires the car. 14:19 <@Mirage> ignotus-sdf: or rewires something near a water source. 14:20 <@Mirage> ignotus-sdf: I was very emphatic about the importance of connecting the right color to the right side on the outlets, and that the ground MUST be connected. 14:20 <@ignotus-sdf> Yes, I could see that as a potential fear element. 14:20 <@Mirage> Whomever wired the house previously seemed to have thought that a good ground was optional. 14:20 <@Wilpig_> they arent'? 14:21 <@ignotus-sdf> I had a house once where the water spigots were flipped. 14:21 <@Wilpig_> you aren't gonna plug up anything computer related are you? grounds are just extra cost. you don't need em 14:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: my great grandfather was an engineer and architect that was trusted with the largest commercial malls, and other stuff in his time... but he couldn't wire an electrical switch himself, he could stand over someone and tell them exactly how to do it... but he'd shock himself or make the clock plugged into the switch run backwards (I'm not kidding apparently he did this once) 14:24 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: you never did say if she destroyed the fan when she dropped it or not 14:26 < notlarry> ok, so I am using excel to track a project and part of that project includes port labels of, lets say, 1/1/12, which excel converts to 1/1/2012 even though the cell is formated for text. When I delete the 20, it puts it back. 14:27 <@Wilpig_> set the format of the colum to text 14:27 < notlarry> it is set to text 14:27 <@Wilpig_> or set a custom format of 00/00/00 14:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, set the column date format 14:30 <@Wilpig_> you can also prefix the fields with shit like ge- xe- or even just ' and it will treat them as text and not a date 14:30 < notlarry> yeah, I'm thinking a gun to the head is gonna be easier. I've been trying all of that. 14:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> notlarry: try to do dates as always yyyy/mm/dd and it helps with that kind of bs 14:37 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: yes, she broke the light kit and a couple of the CFLs 14:37 < notlarry> RangerZ|Laptop: I'm not using dates. But excel wants them to be dates. 14:38 < notlarry> RangerZ|Laptop: So, if you were my spreadsheet things would be working fine. 14:38 < notlarry> I turned off background error checking. It might fix the problem. 14:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh ok 14:39 <@Dolemite> notlarry: You could be slightly more precise and name them all in the format Gi1/0/12 or Fa1/0/12 or Te1/0/1 14:39 <@Dolemite> er, Te1/0/12 14:39 <@Dolemite> That would keep Excel from trying to treat them as ates 14:39 <@Dolemite> date 14:39 <@Dolemite> dates 14:39 < notlarry> except when I search and replace the text 1/0/ with 1/1/ it turns 1/0/16 into 42370 14:40 <@Mirage> ignotus-sdf: water spigots flipped? as in the water shot up and the valve faced down? 14:40 <@Dolemite> Split it into 3 columns 14:40 <@Dolemite> Then for the part you want to use, make a concatenation of those three columns 14:41 <@ignotus-sdf> Mirage: no, hot and cold flipped. 14:42 <@Mirage> talking about faucets in the kitchen/bathroom or they had hot water going to the outside spigots? 14:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> as long as it wasn't hot water into the drain directly.... 14:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe 14:44 < notlarry> Dolemite: probably the best answer 14:44 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: she broke cfls?! your house is an environmental disaster now cause of the mercury right? 14:46 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: I think that's the least of worries. 14:47 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: but doesn't mercury poisoning lead to mad hatter's disease? she's already a little unbalanced at times I don't think you want to risk it, do you? 14:49 <@Mirage> Our downstairs AC unit will either cost us lots of money sometime soon, or we'll be able to get it listed in Guiness and maybe make some money. It was installed in '92. The AC guy who came out to do standard maint and check-ups said he's never seen a unit run that long anywhere in TX 14:50 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: we're getting new carpeting installed later this week, so the risk is mitigated. 14:50 <@Mirage> Besides, I'd be more worries about our already insane cats licking the carpet and going more nuts. 14:52 <@Wilpig_> haha 14:52 <@Mirage> ignotus-sdf: in our rent house all the inserts in the delta faucets (kitchen sink, shower, and 2 bathtubs) were installed upside down, which flipped hot/cold. 14:53 <@ignotus-sdf> yuck. 14:54 <@ignotus-sdf> I had to re-hose the faucets, then flip the little marker thingies. 14:55 <@Dolemite> I have to post this for the sheer awesomeness of the headline 14:55 <@Dolemite> http://www.salon.com/2014/09/08/evangelical_megachurch_begins_closing_branches_after_pastor_calls_women_penis_homes/ 14:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Evangelical megachurch begins closing branches after pastor calls women penis homes - Salon.com (at www.salon.com) 14:56 <@Mirage> One of my ex's told me a story about how back when she was in college someone had mixed up the building feeds (it was on a college campus), whichh resulted in hot water going to all the toilets. She said that it was actually a pretty awesome couple weeks because it was the dead of winter. 14:59 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> i could imagine that 15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've looked a lot into radiant heating via hot water 15:03 <@ignotus-sdf> Dolemite: All I will say is that I'm not surprised given who that is about. We attend a "megachurch", but the level of transparency there is insane. Those folks in the article have given me heartburn for a while now. 15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> how dare they not include gay guys as penis homes too, thats homophobic 15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> tsk tsk tsk 15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol (yes... I know... ) 15:05 < notlarry> RangerZ|Laptop: I don't think of you as a home, more of a rest stop 15:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> awww, but I think of you as a sugar daddy, more of a 'uncle larry' 15:08 < notlarry> the "Creepy Uncle Notlarry Test" 15:10 < notlarry> where is corydon? 15:11 <@Dolemite> He emoquit a few days ago 15:11 <@Dolemite> see the se2600.org mailing list for more details 15:12 <@ignotus-sdf> Apparently near the Isle of Sadness, tubing down the River of Broken Dreams. 15:14 < notlarry> wtf? Looks like a glut of communications for me to read through. 15:21 <@Dolemite> And on that note, I'm going to go enjoy a nice ride home with no email access the entire time. 15:24 <@Mirage> http://boingboing.net/2014/09/09/video-most-epic-nerf-war-in.html 15:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: Video: "Most Epic Nerf War in History!" - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net) 15:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> Mirage: thats every time a train goes by at the google office in Pittsburgh 15:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> though the video didn't have enough energy drinks 15:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe 15:29 <@Mirage> Our office tends toward that on Fri afternoons once all the managers have typically left early 15:29 < notlarry> Ok, I'm not reading any of those emails. 15:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@107-213-137-80.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 15:43 -!- wsmith_ [c6a06019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.160.96.25] has joined #se2600 15:43 < wsmith_> so, trying to get a pn18 hotel 15:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> wsmith_: ok? 15:43 < wsmith_> they seem to have run out 15:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... I'd love to tell you how to get a hold of an officer 15:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I _honestly_ have no idea 15:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> hold on 15:44 < wsmith_> any of the pn18 folks hang out here anymore? 15:45 * brimstone is going to pn18 15:45 <@brimstone> i'm a pn18 folk i guess 15:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> phreaknic.org@gmail.com 15:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> try that email 15:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> its listed as officer contact on website 15:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://phreaknic.info/about 15:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: About | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info) 15:46 <@brimstone> phreaknic.... info? 15:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> wsmith_: some of the officers generally spend a lot of time in here, but they aren't right now b/c they are busy with the con 15:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> brimstone: yeah... .info ... b/c a squatter has .com 15:51 < wsmith_> went through all that. hoping an officer was about 15:52 < wsmith_> They seem to be using google groups this year 16:02 <@oddball> I'm a member of the PN google group. Not a whole hell of a lot is going on on that. 16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah you could 'try' the wsmith_ 16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry 16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> you could try the google group 16:04 <@Mirage> Too serious in here..need some silly.. 16:04 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQhG59zqZc 16:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen (Chatroulette Version) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 16:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wish we had a better answer for you 16:07 < aestetix_> man 16:07 < aestetix_> I am so tempted to chime in on the root list with some of teh drama we went through with the HOPE website 16:11 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 16:11 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21 -!- CLansy|work [~cslansing@usa.prometheanworld.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28 -!- wsmith_ is now known as wsmith 16:32 < notlarry> I seriously have to pay less attention to what is going on here. 16:33 < notlarry> Jobs opening up in Phoenix Az for system admins and DB admins 16:33 < notlarry> s/system/wintel and linux 16:33 < notlarry> Oh, nvm, you have to be able to pass a background check and get a security clearence. 16:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> notlarry: hell there are lots of jobs here in greater nashville right now for linux admin or networking or w/e 16:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> just get another job and stuff your ears with 100s 16:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> helps me ignore the stupid 16:35 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:42 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-63-247.mem.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:44 <@rattle> I know hobbs is looking for something in Nashville. He wants to get out of DC. 16:47 <@Mirage> Pretty interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-3FNtgOFM 16:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Missing Secrets - Nikola Tesla - Must SEE! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 16:52 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-feipjhwpveehtwud] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:56 <@rattle> https://twitter.com/InfosecBiebs 16:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Infosec Justin Biebs (InfosecBiebs) on Twitter (at twitter.com) 17:06 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:21 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 17:36 -!- notfie- [~fie@ip70-178-36-232.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 17:46 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 17:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:57 -!- wsmith [c6a06019@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.160.96.25] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:19 -!- Warcop [~zadeaux@107-213-137-80.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 18:27 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 18:33 <@Dagmar> Fuck it. I'm done being nice now 18:34 <@Dagmar> Sock puppetry on the list is bullshit 18:36 <@Dagmar> I find it telling that none of the fucking shit monkeys seem to have *any* coherent rebuttals to my arguments. 18:36 <@Dagmar> Not fucking one. 18:37 <@Dagmar> Management clearly no longer values the truth. 18:37 <@Dagmar> No fucking way I'll be a party to that anymore 18:42 < RangerZ> just make sure you don't fall for them saying "he's the problem" card 18:42 < RangerZ> b/c thats incoming soon 18:43 <@Dagmar> People better get out their fucking asbestos suits 18:43 <@Dagmar> I'm done with being civil. 18:43 <@Dagmar> If Dru wants to fucking live in a fantasy world, fine 18:43 <@Dagmar> I don't have to respect that. 18:43 <@Dagmar> They fucked up. 18:43 <@Dagmar> They put up a shitty, amateurish attempt at a website. 18:44 <@Dagmar> It fucking broke, and they decided to lay the blame at our feet. 18:44 <@Dagmar> Fuck that and fuck them for trying. 18:44 <@Dagmar> I don't think PhreakNIC business should be handled at 2600 Meetings anymore, if this is the value-set they're going to represent with that. 18:44 <@Dagmar> Lying to cover your ass is not a value I will support. 18:45 <@Dagmar> Now, I damn well could have said it like that a few days ago 18:45 <@Dagmar> It's entirely and 100% true and based in reality. 18:46 <@Dagmar> ...but at least I'm saying something instead of spending my time with my head up my ass sniffing my own frts. 18:46 <@Dagmar> s/frts/farts/ 18:46 <@Dagmar> Let the scurrilous little bitch go and squeal on _that_ 18:47 < RangerZ> part of me says you should just go get 10 people and pay their membership dues 18:47 < RangerZ> and vote them all out in dex 18:47 < RangerZ> dec* 18:47 < RangerZ> lol 18:47 <@Dagmar> I think we could easily find ten people who could do that 18:48 <@Dagmar> But gettng them to show up to the meetings at the same time is going to be hard 18:48 <@Dagmar> ...and someone's already basically stated they're going to pretend like a vote of no confidence can't happen. 18:49 < RangerZ> thats fine 18:49 < RangerZ> doesn't mean a yearly vote doesn't need to happen 18:49 < RangerZ> its only rarely ever 'contested' but... 18:49 < RangerZ> from what I've heard... its happened 18:50 < RangerZ> though... I'd purposely let dru stay and help with PN, with going and talking to people 18:50 -!- Dot_Warner [~Dot_Warne@2601:0:a800:3df:e52c:2cdf:4de7:f165] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50 < RangerZ> b/c eh seems to like to do that... so be it 18:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah, well I have a concern with the accuracy of his statements now 18:51 < RangerZ> thats fine... we can easily setup an XMPP and email for him to use 18:51 < RangerZ> for contacting people 18:51 <@Dagmar> People keep wanting to bring up the words 'slander' and 'libel' and I'm goddamn sick of that 18:51 < RangerZ> no, you can say "I believe he is a lier" and that isn't slander, just have to make sure it reflects your personal opinion 18:51 <@Dagmar> 'slander' and 'libel' are what's happening with respect to blaming Wilpig for engaging in decidedly malicious behaviour in "destroying the website" 18:52 <@Dagmar> It was their fuckups that made that happen. 18:52 <@Dagmar> They tried to cover it up. 18:52 <@Dagmar> Fuck that. 18:52 < RangerZ> yeah, but you know what... fuck that nitpicky detail, until THEY bring it up 18:52 < RangerZ> b/c you got better arguements 18:52 < RangerZ> no CFP, no registration with FF, no paypal 18:53 <@Dagmar> That's not a nitpicky detail. It's a big thing which is clearly and demonstratably wrong. 18:53 < RangerZ> no speakers(or only 5 if you can find them), no way to contact an office 18:53 <@Dagmar> There's a whole PILE of big things at this point. 18:53 <@Dagmar> They're all being ignored in favor of "the party line" 18:53 <@Dagmar> We're not fucking Republicans. 18:54 < RangerZ> Ohh I personally agree, however you got play "corrupt politican asshole" now, to win in a way that shows how wrong they are, sadly 18:54 < RangerZ> sure, they are at afault for making a shitty site 18:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've been trying to fucking avoid that 18:54 < RangerZ> i'm tired of it, I've purposely bent over backwards to try and be nice in my emails, showing "both sides" 18:55 < RangerZ> etc 18:55 <@Dagmar> It wasn't just shitty, it was a time bomb 18:55 <@Dagmar> I'm sure we've got a jackass or two who'll claim I'm being paranoid about the fucking Chinese, but Baidu really does perform fucking vulnerability scans 18:55 <@Dagmar> I have personally seen them showing up in webserver logs at Vanderbilt. 18:56 <@Dagmar> Actual Baidu search engine addresses, hitting URLs they have no business hitting, for no apparent reasons at all. 18:56 <@Dagmar> One of those *would* have killed the site within about 14 days. 18:56 < RangerZ> yeah... but you gotta remember its a they said vs they said... and 'they' (officers) are so heavily influenced by crazypants, that she's probably convinced them we raped her (If you think I'm kidding... She's said we've wanted to do it)(and the fact dagmar wouldn't look at her pisses her off so much) 18:57 <@Dagmar> She's a fucking idiot. 18:57 <@Dagmar> Her handlers failed to inform her that I have no problems ignoring that kind of crap 18:57 < RangerZ> idiot or not, she's manipulative enough for that group 18:57 <@Dagmar> Well, if she's the core problem they're going to have to come to grips with it 18:58 <@Dagmar> I won't have anything to do with her because I think she's a toxic bitch. 18:58 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to tell other people they're not allowed to talk to her 18:58 <@Dagmar> They can make their own decisions. 18:58 < RangerZ> I honestly wonder if she is, or if someone has had a paranoid schitzophrenic episode... (sp?) 18:59 < RangerZ> b/c what THEY believe, and what everyone else believes is so fucking wildly different 18:59 < RangerZ> it doesn't make sense otherwise 18:59 <@Dagmar> I'll be damned if I'm going to let Dru continue to claim we were at fault in wrecking the website, and I'll be damned if I'll let these chirpy little latecomers scream and wail about "drama" 18:59 <@Dagmar> Correct: "What THEY believe, and what the reality is is so fucking wildly different" 19:01 <@Dagmar> "Can we please stop harping on a past mistake?" <-- I am astonsihed to hear this from Tilghman 19:02 <@Dagmar> What's he expect to accomplish by hiding from reality: 19:03 <@Dagmar> The longer they continue to maintain this silence without reason, the more I'm forced to suspect that they really have lost their goddamn minds and have decided to pursue legal action 19:03 <@Dagmar> I will make fire rain from the goddamn sky if that turns out to be true 19:06 < RangerZ> nah 19:06 < RangerZ> they would just be making money rain from the skies, b/c i'd own their houses 19:06 <@Dagmar> None of these people own houses 19:06 <@Dagmar> Hell, I don't even own a house 19:06 <@Dagmar> That was a thing the previous generation had as an option 19:07 < RangerZ> a former federal prosecutor makes a good defense attorney... ;) 19:07 <@Dagmar> Nowadays, you only pretend to own a house while slaving for the bank 19:08 <@Dagmar> Pretending to own stuff is the new American Dream, sadly. 19:08 < RangerZ> the psycho thinks she's a lawyer, despite not having passed the bar... so whatever 19:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah and that little loop of logical nonsense has wasted a shitton of org time 19:08 < RangerZ> I hope they get more and more legal advice from her 19:09 <@Dagmar> I hope they're at least paying attention to me saying "IT'S TIME TO HAND THIS ISSUE OVER TO AN _ACTUAL_ LAWYER" 19:09 <@Dagmar> Since she didn't show up to the last meeting to beat that particular horse, I didnt' get a chance to say it in person 19:11 <@Dagmar> From digging around on the internet about it, looking at other non-profits legal docs, it seems our main problem is that the bylaws we have don't need a two inch binder 19:11 <@Dagmar> Everyone elses seem to range from "damn large" to "christ does this have an ISO documentation number?" 19:12 <@Dagmar> Even the freaking free sample paperwork is lengthy stuff 19:14 < RangerZ> the fucking ACM student groups was longer than nasvhille 2600s 19:14 < RangerZ> and we just used the ACM's student mad-lib template and added a few extra lines for school specific stuff 19:15 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar what kind of legal action would they take against you guys? 19:15 <@Dagmar> CFAA violation 19:16 <@Dagmar> Except since we're not weev, and the reality of the situation is radically different from the story they're telling themselves, they really don't have a leg to stand on there. 19:16 <@SuMo_D> o_O 19:16 <@SuMo_D> yeah that'd be a stretch at minimum 19:16 <@SuMo_D> wtf 19:17 <@Dagmar> Technically we were trying to vandalize the site at the time, but "trying" and "succeeding" are two different things. 19:17 <@SuMo_D> yeah.... 19:17 <@Dagmar> We failed because the damn thing broke because someone was dumb and lazy and left an RFC-violating land-mine in place 19:18 <@Dagmar> That these are simply not "our" values is my largest complaint about it. 19:18 <@SuMo_D> but still, even if that weren't the case that's still a sick thing todo to each other in a 2600 club no less 19:18 <@Dagmar> I do not feel that it is properly representative of the organization or it's members or respectful of our history. 19:19 <@SuMo_D> yeah I thought that when I saw it 19:19 <@Dagmar> Whether it's happening or not, the things I have to do are the identical, so at least I have a clear path of action (not worrying about it) 19:19 <@SuMo_D> and I barely know you guys 19:20 <@Dagmar> What _pisses me off_ about it is that I'm reasonably sure based on the current behaviour is that any discussions of it with the "in crowd" are rather likely to be responded to by aspertions on our character. 19:20 <@Dagmar> er aspersions 19:21 <@SuMo_D> yeah... bs 19:21 <@Dagmar> I think I've pretty much murdered any chance that story would be believed by anyone who does a bit of research now 19:22 <@Dagmar> Geez Notch has turned troll on us 19:22 <@Dagmar> He should have waited for April like everyone else 19:22 <@SuMo_D> yeah but its just such a shame everthing is coming apart cause of such petty bs 19:23 <@Dagmar> They've got a set of troll tweets going on about partnering with Microsoft. lol 19:23 <@SuMo_D> hey where is Corydon ? 19:23 <@Dagmar> Not here because he's not allowed to talk to us 19:23 <@SuMo_D> is he peacing out on all this? 19:23 <@SuMo_D> not allowed? 19:23 <@Dagmar> His quit message said basically this 19:25 <@Bahhumbug> He emoragetardquit 19:25 <@Bahhumbug> After he "casually" threw out that Dru had considered legal action via the US AG. 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> The is far too tl;dr on the list for me to keep up with it in real time so I may have missed it... but has this little gem been mentioned in public? Because it really should be. 19:26 <@Bahhumbug> s/^The/There/ 19:34 <@brimstone> no pn18? 19:47 <@Dagmar> IIRC Corydon is where we heard it from 19:48 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't characterize his exit from here as an emoragequit tho' 19:48 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48 <@Dagmar> He's apparently still trying to moderate things, and unfortunately seems to be sidelining the issue that _some_ of the things he's trying to moderate for are just fuckkn' crazy 19:48 <@Dagmar> That's a bit like "compromise" with cannibals. 19:49 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 19:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:49 <@Dagmar> They only eat a leg and an arm and half an ear. That's a good compromise, yes/ 19:53 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54 < RangerZ> brimstone: PN 18 might end up being #DashCon 19:54 <@brimstone> DramaCon 19:56 < RangerZ> at this rate, it'll probably have to be dissolved after the con b/c of unfulfilled rooms... but who knows... the '1410PNICON' rate no longer applies 19:57 < RangerZ> so 170$/night before taxes 19:58 <@Dagmar> Whaat? 19:58 <@Dagmar> How did *that* happen? 19:59 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I fuckin' live here. I'm not keen on paying $170/night for two nights 19:59 < RangerZ> i dunno 19:59 <@Dagmar> Cheaper rates can be had in SF 19:59 <@brimstone> wait, when did the hotel rate expire? 19:59 < RangerZ> the guy earlier was looking for an 'officer' in here 19:59 < RangerZ> and thats why 19:59 <@Dagmar> He may have talked to someone who just didn't know about it 19:59 < RangerZ> I just looked it up 19:59 <@Dagmar> Not like that's not happened before 19:59 < RangerZ> site is gone 20:00 < RangerZ> on the site* the code doesn't work either 20:00 <@Dagmar> ANyway, I'm late for an INgress farm. I'll check in again in a few hours 20:00 <@brimstone> man 20:00 <@Dagmar> Someone should call the hotel directly 20:00 < RangerZ> at this rate... we should call the hotel ato make sure 20:00 < RangerZ> I'm calling right now 20:07 < RangerZ> so... the website says they are out of rooms at that rate 20:07 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 20:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 20:07 < RangerZ> call and they say that they have 2 rooms for 105$ 20:08 < RangerZ> so I 'maybe'? the reservation system cuts off online at that? 20:08 <@SuMo_D> well... I just booked my room for SE Maker Faire 20:08 <@SuMo_D> you guys should come make robots and shit 20:09 <@SuMo_D> it should be fun times 20:09 <@SuMo_D> brimstone you are near Atlanta right? 20:10 <@brimstone> yup 20:10 <@SuMo_D> are you going to Maker Faire? 20:11 <@brimstone> yup 20:15 <@SuMo_D> sweet :) 20:15 <@brimstone> you? 20:18 <@SuMo_D> yeah just booked my room 20:18 <@SuMo_D> and have a few friends showing 20:19 <@SuMo_D> so probably will be bouncing around the booths 20:29 <@SuMo_D> I still can hardly get over how ruby has no ; 20:29 <@SuMo_D> no ; to miss to make your code get wonky 20:29 <@SuMo_D> what is the world coming to 20:31 < RangerZ> someone asked me which 'scripting language she should learn' 20:31 < RangerZ> and I was like... well damn... they all suck 20:32 <@SuMo_D> lol 20:32 < RangerZ> php is 'alright' for making webpages, perl has a huge library, but sucks b/c of lack of data types, bash is useful for small scripts, but slow...... 20:32 < RangerZ> and python sucks to work on after the original writing... b/c of its duct typting 20:32 < RangerZ> but sadly... python has it right now 20:33 <@SuMo_D> RoR is pretty neat but yeah.... 20:33 <@SuMo_D> I think RoR might win in the long run 20:34 <@SuMo_D> I like python but RoR is so much nicer without the stupid whitespace thingie 20:34 <@SuMo_D> I donno I have to go back and play with Django 20:35 < RangerZ> python needs a way to enfore interfaces 20:35 < RangerZ> and get rid of indenting via { and } 20:35 < RangerZ> thats really all it needs 20:35 <@SuMo_D> but right now I've got two weeks to figure out how to improve the ap I just made, and I want to make it interface with some sort of physical device probably something with servos connected to the raspi 20:35 <@SuMo_D> messing around with www.artoo.io 20:36 <@SuMo_D> I donno we'll see if I can make it work 20:36 <@SuMo_D> or cop out and borrow a sphero 20:38 <@Bahhumbug> ruby can diaf 20:40 <@SuMo_D> awww but it's ruby it'll just shine brighter :P 20:43 < RangerZ> ruby syntax is only good for configurations 20:43 < RangerZ> not programming 20:44 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: so can shapr for that matter 20:45 <@Bahhumbug> ruby sucks. RoR sucks. Neither can scale for shit. Ruby modules suffer from every packaging mistake that perl modules go. I despise that entire ecosystems. 20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry :) 20:47 <@SuMo_D> :) 20:47 <@SuMo_D> we are allowed to have opinions and still be friendly 20:47 <@Bahhumbug> Oh. jruby. 20:47 <@Bahhumbug> barf 20:48 <@Bahhumbug> The worst of both java and ruby. 20:48 <@Shadow404> thats like quicktime with anything 20:49 <@Bahhumbug> Is quicktime still a thing? 20:49 <@Shadow404> i sure hope not 20:49 <@SuMo_D> it still rears its ugly head from time to time 20:50 <@Bahhumbug> So does Ebola. 20:50 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:50 <@Bahhumbug> Both probably do the same damage in the long run. 20:50 <@Shadow404> i remember trying to stream my first porn videos over a 14.4bps modem using a quicktime file 20:50 <@Shadow404> didnt work to well 20:50 <@Bahhumbug> I am not sure what to say to that. 20:51 <@Shadow404> uh, its hard to explain to the parents why you need to tie up the home phone line for 5 more minutes 20:51 <@Bahhumbug> "It's a school project." 20:51 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 20:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc3] by ChanServ 20:53 -!- sasquatc2 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 20:55 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh goodie... new NFL statements to piss people off tonight ;) lol 21:08 -!- sasquatc2 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 -!- sasquatc2 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 21:13 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14 <@Wilpig_> well that was weird as fuck 21:14 <@Wilpig_> opened the laptop and it didn't come on. hard powered it off and it rebooted about half a dozen times before working 21:15 -!- GateKeeper [~gatekeepr@serentos/support/bot] has joined #se2600 21:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o GateKeeper] by ChanServ 21:17 <@klixa> Wilpig_: what happenedduring reboot? 21:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> he was crying 21:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> 1 tear per reboot 21:18 <@klixa> :P 21:18 -!- sasquatc2 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18 <@klixa> i had a mac do that once...it was a bad inverter cable causing it 21:18 <@SuMo_D> klixa! 21:18 <@klixa> SuMo_D: !!! hi 21:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> STOP, you can't both be here at the same time 21:19 <@SuMo_D> Dooood 21:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 21:19 <@klixa> hah....yeah i never see SuMo_D anymore :( 21:19 <@klixa> not here anyway 21:19 <@SuMo_D> I'm aroundish 21:19 <@Wilpig_> klixa: nothing. came up to the login screen, I logged in and it rebooted again 21:20 <@klixa> Wilpig_: ok...when mine did it, it didnt even chime... yours is prolly just software 21:20 <@Wilpig_> it was weird, whatever it was 21:20 <@klixa> i assume you mean the macbook air 21:21 -!- Dickie is now known as hfuller[wat] 21:21 <@Wilpig_> yup 21:21 <@Wilpig_> hfuller[wat]: dickie? wtf? 21:21 <@Wilpig_> http://s.likes-media.com/img/e2df221238db589cad3a8a038a1c7f27.600x.jpg 21:22 <@klixa> hard powering it off might have deleted a file and it took a million reboots to correct itself 21:22 -!- hfuller[wat] is now known as dickie 21:23 <@dickie> bounce wit me 21:23 * brimstone bounces with Dickie 21:23 <@klixa> id run disk util repair drive 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd recommend you buy a new laptop, and give me that laptop 21:26 <@klixa> HA :P 21:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> so ravens offering a Ray Rice jersey exchange program 21:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> like its a fucking gun, ... 'here exchange your gun for a gas card... no questions asked' 21:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc 21:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 21:27 <@brimstone> rice? i love rice 21:27 <@brimstone> i bet ray loves rice too 21:27 <@brimstone> i love that i'm so discounted from your sports ball to have any idea about whatever this ray guy did 21:28 <@brimstone> my boss asked me "have you seen that one commercial where..." i said "nope" 21:29 <@Wilpig_> klixa: it did find a permissions error. that was it 21:29 <@Bahhumbug> @google ray rice knocking out girlfriend video 21:29 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: [LEAKED] Ray Rice Fiance knocking out | Dragging Unconscious ...: ; Baltimore Ravens Ray Rice drags girlfriend Janay Palmer by her ...: ; Ray Rice -- ELEVATOR KNOCKOUT ... Fiancee (3 more messages) 21:29 <@Bahhumbug> Have at it. 21:29 <@brimstone> or not 21:29 * brimstone chooses not 21:29 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ|Laptop: Rice will be out of the NFL within hours :) 21:30 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 21:32 <@Wilpig_> The only thing I heard about that was on the radio this morning along the lines of "why should I give a fuck, clearly he knocked her ass out cold and she married him the next day anyway" 21:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> victims of spousal abuse, are afraid to ever leave 21:38 -!- dickie is now known as Dickie 21:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c that is the most dangerous thing you can do 21:39 <@brimstone> #IDidn'tLeave Because you had pizza 21:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> most deaths occur then, etc 21:39 <@brimstone> http://time.com/3308861/digiorno-social-media-pizza/ 21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: lets be honest... thats all 1/2 the S.O. of this room would have to do.... 21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> or pulled pork 21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> not from violence, but deciding which night to break up, at least 21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> but either way.... need sleep 21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> night 21:46 <@Dickie> I don't wanna hurt anybody 21:46 <@Dickie> BUT THE VOICES 21:48 -!- notfie [~fie@ip70-178-36-232.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #se2600 21:58 < notlarry> Hey, Dickie, when you knock me out in an elevator be a pal and don't leave me there for people to fuck with ok? 21:58 <@Dickie> like I'd pass that up 21:59 < notlarry> I was almost in Huntsville Friday. Took the bike down to hwy 31 and I65 for a shady craigslist deal. 22:00 <@Dickie> Long way for a M4M 22:00 <@brimstone> hey, when it's worth it, it's worth it 22:00 < notlarry> ikr 22:01 <@Dickie> give you that 22:01 < notlarry> I do have to admit my but hurt a little when I got back to west nashville 22:02 <@Dickie> My vstar wasn't meant for long rides. My butt hurts when I rode to and from Murphresboro 22:02 <@Dickie> or however the hell you spell it 22:02 -!- stowbari [~Stowbari@cpe-184-56-99-238.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02 <@Dickie> Marfriesborough 22:03 < notlarry> Dickie: Have you seen the new bike I got to replace the touring bike that was, er, raptured? 22:03 <@Dickie> Praise Him! 22:03 <@Dickie> no 22:03 < notlarry> http://notlarry.tumblr.com 22:03 < notlarry> I think. 22:05 <@Dickie> Farthest sport I'll go is dual 22:05 <@Dickie> Though I need to at least take one for a spin to see what that's all about 22:31 <@Dagmar> I think the NFL has bigger problems to worry about right now... like... they're all insane. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=468051523307223 22:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com) 22:53 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: haha 23:00 -!- am1n0 [~devnull@unaffiliated/am1n0] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:00 <@Dagmar> OH LOL 23:00 < notlarry> Dickie: so, I have to program this bike. I'm fucked. 23:00 -!- am1n0 [~devnull@unaffiliated/am1n0] has joined #se2600 23:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o am1n0] by ChanServ 23:01 <@Dagmar> Cyan was messing around on Facebook and trying to update her FB relationship status and didn't realize it would send this out as an update to _everyone_ on her friends list 23:01 <@Dagmar> ...so apparently today she sent out "In an Open Relationship with Scott Bannister" 23:06 -!- pdiz_ [~diz@c-98-211-17-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:07 -!- pdiz [~diz@c-98-211-17-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:07 <@Wilpig_> heh 23:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17 <@Dagmar> Anyone remember what the AP certificate thing was called? 23:31 <@Dagmar> Found it. 23:37 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm... SoA started up tonight. 23:39 * aestetix_ sighs 23:39 < aestetix_> I hate mysq 23:39 < aestetix_> a table got corrupted. that has foreign key dependencies on 70% of the tables in the databases 23:42 <@Wilpig_> long night for you 23:48 < aestetix_> yep 23:49 < aestetix_> well I need to cathc up with all the drama Dagmar started 23:50 <@Dagmar> I did no such thing 23:54 <@Wilpig_> i started 23:56 < notlarry> That 23:56 < notlarry> That's what she said... --- Log closed Wed Sep 10 00:00:44 2014