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00:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: there are a bunch of papers surrounding the project, I'm just thinking that we might want to test some "common" software alongside our custom solutions, to see where the cost/benefit curve on our solutions rest.
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> What is the project
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> ?
00:38 < aestetix_> Apparently Forrest Gump was re-released in theatres
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00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: a research project I'm working on, http://www.dddas.org/
00:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: DDDAS.org (at www.dddas.org)
00:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> the NSF link is down for maint.
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> We're looking into the platform level software aspect of it
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> PaaS ...sorta... but from the scientific angle
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> think : 1000s of sensors sending data to a server for machine learning on the fly, and then allowing it to control actuators of some kind... be it directing rescue efforts after a natural disaster or slightly changing light timings to improve traffic... or using the traffic system to make EVERY SINGLE light that Dagmar goes through be red by the time he gets there....
00:51 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/gallery/bFAGq/
00:51 < aestetix_> this is great
00:51 < aestetix_> "Guy turns his cheap little car into a Lamborghini Reventon"
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> the traffic scenario is actually a very common issue that really hasn't been solved yet
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> they use computers to do massive data simulations... to make "best fit" timings
00:52 <@Bahhumbug> Interesting.
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but nothing on the fly
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> on the small scale, home automation
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> think of having 1000 little micro-controllers all through your house, and allowing them to work together
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> all having a bunch of sensors
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe 1000 off the bat is a bit much
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 20...
00:54 <@Bahhumbug> Right.
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> then you add voice recognition...
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> and "computer... lights at 50%"
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> "computer ... prepare my shower at 125Degrees "
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> "lol
00:55 <@Bahhumbug> "computer ... dispose of this body"
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'd need closer to the 1000
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> but sure
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
00:55 <@Bahhumbug> haha
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean.... not like I've ran simulations on that...
00:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'my' angle on it is... writing software that handles that scaling well
00:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> and automating it so you can just say "well I want software that creates and passes around _this_ kind of data"
00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> and the app is created, and deployed for you, servers, db, etc , all of it
00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> mind you... .i'd have a crap UI at first, but would be 'functional'
00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> so great rapid app development... and prototype dev.
00:59  * Bahhumbug nods
00:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> and each and every app created will now come with a nice little "about" screen
00:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> with a "warning, if you see CrazyPants <pictured here> run as far and fast as you can"
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> imagine if your gmail app had that as a secret screen....
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> HEHE
01:00 <@Bahhumbug> That's just a PSA
01:00 <@Bahhumbug> :)
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01:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> but seriously, its kinda nice, have most of the components of that right now
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01:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> just working on server and then some other stuff thats kinda hard and complicated, but no one cares about, LOL
01:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> so will have an app generator with deployable server soon, hopefully
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> (app generator, has been done for ~a year) but server aspect is a lot of work, and will need to add more data types, b/c just java 'primitives' isn't really enough
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c ... well... images, video, sound, lat & long of dead bodies... all things we'll need to support
01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> but _my_ interest is in developing interesting programming assignments, that can be generated at scale, and each student having a different assignment
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> take the same principles, and just "take out" parts of the program you want the student to implement
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> Right.
01:08 < aestetix_> Has anyone here read Ulysses?
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> and you'll be able to scale this, unlike traditional 'assignments'
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I did when I was in elementary 4th or 5th grade
01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> I honestly don't remember much of it
01:09 < aestetix_> That's rather heavy reading for a 4th grader
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> Depends on the 4th grader.
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> But in general, yeah.
01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> I read the _entire_ star wars novel collection the next summer
01:09 < aestetix_> And whether the reader understood what he read ;)
01:09 < aestetix_> Albeit Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake are not generally understood in a single reading.
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I understood a lot of it, but I'm sure I'd get more out of it now
01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> first of all... understanding the sexual innuendo, etc
01:10 < aestetix_> Indeed.
01:10 < aestetix_> And all the crazy wordplay.
01:11 < aestetix_> Joseph Campbell has a few lectures about Ulysses that are astonishing.
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> part of the reason I don't remember much was b/c I thought it was kinda boring, and all I really remember from it was actually "well I read that... I don't see why its so great"
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:11 < aestetix_> Right.
01:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: if you're looking for classics, you might want to read some of the non-EU based ones
01:12 < aestetix_> Well, Ulysses alone does not make sense unless you've read the Odyssey, and to a lesser extend Portrait.
01:12 < aestetix_> like what?
01:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> the romance of the 3 kingdoms
01:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> the 'Son Goku' story from china
01:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> (yes, inspiration for Dragonball )
01:13 < aestetix_> I haven't seen Dragonball
01:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West
01:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Journey to the West - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
01:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms
01:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Romance of the Three Kingdoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
01:13 < aestetix_> Have you read those books?
01:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> journey to the west, yes, 3 kingdoms, no
01:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> english translations, obviously
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01:14 < aestetix_> God
01:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you know the stories, you'll recognize parts of them being used in american& internationa media/etc all the time
01:14 < aestetix_> This looks like it's as long as Pruce
01:15 < aestetix_> Proust*
01:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> you don't need to read the 'originals', condensed versions are fine
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Genji might interest you too
01:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Tale of Genji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> basically a story about a guy and the women he beds
01:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> "It's sometimes called the world's first novel," should be interesting enough
01:19 < aestetix_> http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/34422498#XFwzVP9KLbjKMae1.97
01:19 < aestetix_> interesting
01:19 < aestetix_> I thought Don Quixote was the first novel
01:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats cheap for london
01:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> India has some great classics too, but I'm not as familiar with them
01:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> and their 400 some odd languages mean they don't as well known, lol
01:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> nvm....
01:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> [Twenty two of the 780 languages are scheduled Indian languages. Of them, 122 have been declared by the census as spoken by a population exceeding 10,000 and the rest are spoken by less than 10,000 people.]
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01:57 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you really love hitting that horse :)
01:58 <@Dagmar> I'm going to fucking beat that horse until it's a greasy smear
01:58 <@Dagmar> Dru should know better than to make shit up in front of me.
01:59 <@Dagmar> I said I was going to ask every day until I get an answer, and I damn well intend to
01:59 < aestetix_> well at least there will be traffic on the email list
01:59 <@Dagmar> Especially after his claim that he "uses the mailing list all the time"
02:01 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow I'll quote and link the fucking Drupal installation instructions
02:01 <@Dagmar> The day after I'll go find some links explaining best practices with respect to maintaining a dev and production environment separately
02:02 <@Dagmar> He does *not* get to simply redefine reality to declare himself innocent of all mistakes
02:02 <@Dagmar> We have *always* stood against people who pretend to be interested in security while merely doing things half-assed
02:02 <@Dagmar> This is no different.
02:03 <@Dagmar> One does *not* devevlop on a production IP.
02:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> so i have a question, is there a way to know if my emailing root will get held onto for 'moderation' or something like that?
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> Other than it not appearing?
02:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> that seems to be dru's favorite thing lately, so I'm curious
02:03 <@Dagmar> In theory, only the first mail
02:03 <@Dagmar> After that, people are supposed to be whitelisted
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> mailman only displays moderation status to list admins.
02:04 <@Bahhumbug> (Assuming you are talking about the mailman-based lists)
02:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I wasn't sure
02:04 <@Dagmar> If they want to be dumb enough to dick around with censorship, I'll merrily yell at them about that as well
02:04 <@Bahhumbug> Do they have admin rights to the mailman lists?
02:05 <@Bahhumbug> If so that needs to be revisited; they aren't exactly technical wiz kids.,
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have no idea, I've kinda not paid attention, and will be having to send out an email ...sometime soon... lol
02:06 <@Dagmar> Hey hey not our problem
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> It's on Wilpig's box.
02:06 <@Dagmar> If htey want to fuck around and fail at that too, it can also be added to the list of greivances
02:06 <@Bahhumbug> FWIW
02:06 <@Dagmar> I think by now Wilpig knows to keep all logging on so people can't come around later and complain "But...but... I wasn't able to login!"
02:07 <@Dagmar> We're two months out
02:07 <@Bahhumbug> I rarely ever post to those lists, and the one time I did I was exhausted and entirely brain dead as was obvious by the post itself, but I would be irritated if they start fucking around with that as they have no business whatsoever doing so.
02:07 <@Dagmar> Less than two months out, even
02:08 <@Dagmar> The time for sitting and patiently waiting for clue to be absorbed is over
02:08 <@Dagmar> It's time for alchemical fire
02:08 <@Bahhumbug> Oh goody!
02:08 <@Bahhumbug> I love fire.
02:08 <@Bahhumbug> @nuke dru
02:08  * GateKeeper launches an overt first-strike comprised of multiple ballistic warheads consisting of MRV payloads at dru. Say your prayers, there is no hope.
02:10 <@Dagmar> So... it looks like mplayer/mencoder can pull video directly from a PVR card
02:11 <@Dagmar> I will be super happy if I can streamline some stuff a bit.  MythTV uses a lot of damn memory
02:11 <@Dagmar> ...and maybe mplayer will clean up the damn output as it goes.
02:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: did dru mention the vote of no-confidence on his own?
02:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c if so, then he's reading logs, b/c that was brought up recently... wasn't it?
02:20 < aestetix_> ok so
02:20 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I have a question for you, because you're an academic.
02:20 < aestetix_> I'm watching some talks from this place at Harvard about internet and society
02:20 < aestetix_> And it seems like these people really have not thought deeply about things.
02:21 < aestetix_> They also seem very hesitant to voice their own opinions, and feel more comfortable citing others research.
02:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't blame them... they are at harvard, they don't know how the real world works, its almost as bad as being from the bay area
02:21 < aestetix_> Oh god.
02:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
02:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> citing others research isn't anything
02:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> they aren't 'afraid'
02:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats what you do
02:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> you are supporting your argument by citing others' research
02:22 < aestetix_> That assumes the others' research is infallible :p
02:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
02:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... no
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> it assumes that it is peer-reviewed
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats all
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> and that via the peer-review process that it has been found to have merit
02:23 < aestetix_> So people do not like voicing opinions that have not been peer-reviewed?
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're conflating things
02:23 < aestetix_> Sorry. I'm just trying to understand it.
02:23 < aestetix_> Academics do not make sense to me, doesn't mean they are wrong or stupid.
02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> its not that they "don't want to voice opinions"
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> if I tell you I know Bahhumbug has two dead bodies buried under his flower bed, you're first going to want to know WHY I'm making that statement, and what proof I have to back it up
02:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> same is for academic work, you CAN NOT make ANY assertion that isn't proven
02:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> statements like "As we all know" don't cut it
02:25 < aestetix_> Why not just preface it with "It seems to me that"
02:25 <@Bahhumbug> The no confidence discussion was after Tilghman bitched out and emoquit
02:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: ok, thanks, I really wasn't paying as much attention that night, b/c of lack of sleep and was busy with work
02:26 <@Bahhumbug> Does your client log?  If not you should consider enabling it.
02:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: you CAN do that, if you have some kind of proof in THAT paper.... so for example... "We believed that X would cause Y, so as we will prove, X does cause Y" etc
02:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> it does, but my question was 'more' about what dru said, than the chat in ehre
02:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> here*
02:27 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, the no confidence discussion was last night after the meeting ended.
02:27 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh, ok.
02:27 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry :)
02:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> np
02:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> it helped
02:27 < aestetix_> Well I would never make a statement based on opinion that wasn't fully reasoned.
02:28 < aestetix_> But does reason count as evidence?
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c 'counter-intuitive'
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> like how cache slows down a system
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless you 'use' it well
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> if your cache hit miss ratio is bad enough, it can slow down the entire system more than not having the cache in the first place
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why arrays are column indexed
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> instead of 'row' indexed
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> like how FORTRAN does it
02:30 < aestetix_> I don't think I will ever understand academics.
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're over thinking it
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> just imagine that you want your paper or speech to hold up to ALL scrutiny and to never be misquoted
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes, writing academic journals is an art form that is hard to learn at first, but there is a systematic pattern to it
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, you use 'present' tense for the entire thing, which throws off people sometimes
02:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> except for things that you are citing in the past
02:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, you have to consider the audience
02:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> what are you watching?
02:33 < aestetix_> I imagine saying words like "fuck" is also frownd upon
02:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends, there have been entire papers on the history and usage of the word 'flicken'
02:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
02:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> the german root ;)
02:34 < aestetix_> lemme find the one I was just watching
02:34 < aestetix_> I'm more likely to say "and this guy said this, and he can go fuck himself"
02:34 < aestetix_> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2013/11/darling
02:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, without watching the 1hr video, from what I can see of the format, its a 'general audience' talk
02:36 < aestetix_> I'm more referring to the Q&A
02:37 < aestetix_> I just heard a noise outside that sounded more like a gun than fireworks
02:39 <@Bahhumbug> Welcome to Oakland.
02:39 <@Bahhumbug> (You're in Oakland, right?)
02:39 < aestetix_> Yes
02:39 <@Bahhumbug> Welcome to the ghetto of the Bay.
02:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> <insert gif of police chase being on the TV news, then realizing its diving past your house and looking out the window>
02:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> its out there... just lost my link to it, lol
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://giphy.com/gifs/tmedG7fmPSBLa
02:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Police Animated GIF (at giphy.com)
02:42 < aestetix_> Ok there were a few more noises.
02:42 < aestetix_> Either fireworks or a gun battle.
02:42 < aestetix_> I guess I'll find out soon
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> she drops an F bomb
02:43 < aestetix_> she does?
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> ~62min, lol
02:43 < aestetix_> where
02:43 < aestetix_> oh
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> i skipped ahead to find the Q&A
02:44 < aestetix_> That said, she's cute and I would totally hit it
02:45  * RangerZ|Laptop nods
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i haven't found her citing anything
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I can't say
02:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I do think you need to think more about the citation issue, b/c if you do cite stuff more often, it helps your argument and it helps lend wait to your overall thesis
02:51 < aestetix_> And now I hear helicopters
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell 4chan knows this... just think about the fucking fappening "proof" figuring out that the pics of the one girl weren't fake
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: aren't you used to this?
02:55 < aestetix_> it's been a minute
02:55 < aestetix_> Things were quiet when Oakland PD got assaulted with lawsuits
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03:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> HAHA [Despite the issues faced by the inaugural edition, organizers announced plans to hold another edition for 2015 but As of August 2014 the convention's official website is disabled and its Twitter and Tumblr feeds are dormant.]
03:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> DashCon that is
03:10 <@Dagmar> Hell I'd beat most of you senseless for a shot at her
03:11 <@Dagmar> Her last name almost seems like someone ran out of ideas
03:25 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: dashcon rebranded to EmotiCon
03:25 <@Wilpig_> crashing now
03:25 <@Bahhumbug> You have to admit, that's actually a decent name.
03:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
03:34 < aestetix_> hahaha
03:34 < aestetix_> emoticon
03:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> admit it
03:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> you think its a good name
03:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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05:17 < aestetix_> Interesting
05:17 < aestetix_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_But_Equal
05:17 < aestetix_> I didn't know this movie existed
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08:34 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr
08:35 <@Bahhumbug> heh
08:42 < RangerZ> don't worry Shadow404, we were all mocking you behind your back
08:42 < RangerZ> but our plotting and planning of you is still WAY behind popeyX
08:43 < RangerZ> just ask him
08:47 < RangerZ> Shadow404: actually ... you don't have to worry
08:48 < RangerZ> we'll mock you and make fun of you to your face, no need to worry about us hiding it ;)
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17:19 < aestetix_> http://boingboing.net/2014/09/06/st-louis-police-offer-to-finge.html
17:19 < aestetix_> What could possibly go wrong
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18:13 <@Neoteric> can someone explain to me where Dagmar's butt hurts ?
18:13 <@brimstone> What is... all of it?
18:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Neoteric: easy, Dru was being an ass, and Dagmar is calling out his BS
18:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was there, dru said that someone hitting /install.php was "social engineering" (which is obviously false) as the 'reason' why the site was taken down... (yeah it doesn't really make sense, and thats why Dagmar is focusing on that small part of this overall BS)
18:20 <@Wilpig_> Neoteric: jonnyx has engaged in telling a wonderful series of stories and just outright lies to cover his inept planning for phreaknic and dagmar finally had enough and called him out on it
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18:32 <@Shadow404> Wilpig_: hes reminding me of skybitch
18:32 <@Shadow404> with the lies and deception
18:35 <@Wilpig_> and the splitting of the community
18:35 <@Shadow404> agreed
18:35 <@Shadow404> tis happening again
18:35 <@Shadow404> and 615 cant take another hit
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18:41  * Wilpig_ shoots
18:41  * Wilpig_ scores!
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18:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> Shadow404: sadly it can, but 'nashville 2600' in the area can't take the hit, it just means that right now, its 50/50 that it'll happen more , but the area now has tons of groups, hell even nlug, which is where I think a lot of this is 'brewing' (not originating, but where they discuss stuff, etc, since crazypants, johnnyX and Corydon all go to that)
18:44 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.  list == joke.
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18:47 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: Is your mail server slammed?  I expected my reply to have appeared already.
18:50 <@Wilpig_> that list is pretty big it can get throttled
18:51 <@Wilpig_> boooooooom!
18:51 <@Wilpig_> there it goes
18:52 <@Wilpig_> it's so funny to see when it finally processes part of that list.  my maillog shoots by
18:52 <@Wilpig_> so many at gmail.  
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, ok.  I got it.
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks.
18:54 <@Wilpig_> it just takes time. :-/  there are several bad addresses in there that cause extra delays too
18:54 <@Wilpig_> There really isn't anything else they can say at this point.
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> Sure there is.
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> They can continue to spew bullshit.
18:55 <@Wilpig_> I'd like to see that
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> There are some that will believe them over anything else because they have "power".
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> They represent the organization and your and the rest of us are all butthurt.
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> That's _their_ take on things.
18:56 <@Bahhumbug> s/your/you/
18:56 <@Wilpig_> I agree.  that's the story that can be repeated continually when someone, me, isn't there to say otherwise
18:56 <@Wilpig_> looks like anothe rjust went out too
18:56 <@Wilpig_> or just more of that one.
18:58  * Bahhumbug wants his common sense back
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, wait.  I have that.
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> Never mind.
18:59 <@Wilpig_> man oh man.  I made some potato soup.  it turned out awesome
18:59  * Bahhumbug is hungry
19:00 <@Shadow404> yeah, so this year i was planing on actually getting myself up there to attend the con
19:00 <@Shadow404> i have decided not to now
19:01 <@Shadow404> was gonna bring the new lady with me
19:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: i love me some good potato soup
19:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> i felt bad... when I went to SF and had their "famous" clam chowder, I was like.... well this is just potato soup, with some clams added... it would be better without the clams... lol
19:02 <@oddball> Shadow404: Sorry to hear that, but... yeah... understand.
19:02 <@Wilpig_> it would have been a little better if I had put the cheese in it.  I was hungry and couldn't be bothered to shred any
19:02 <@Shadow404> Wilpig_: i like how you took my point to the list heh
19:02 <@Wilpig_> Shadow404: i've been saying that for a while
19:02 <@Shadow404> oddball: i miss all of you guys, but i can NOT stand drama at ALL
19:02 <@Shadow404> and this year is gonna be drama
19:03 <@Wilpig_> no hog roast.  sad face
19:03 <@oddball> Yeah... I'm honestly trying to decide if *I* still want to go.
19:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> Shadow404: just wait for my email, I wrote it last night, and then something fucked up and it disappeared..and I haven't felt like retyping it... lol
19:04 <@Wilpig_> The main reason to goto phreaknic was to see and drink with old friends. 
19:04 <@Wilpig_> no friends there = fuck it
19:05 <@Shadow404> i miss the old happy go lucky pn
19:05 <@Shadow404> thats the main reason i stoppped going
19:05 <@Shadow404> the first round from skydog
19:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I think we should just start calling johnnyX a "special snowflake", b/c thats what this is he wants to be the supreme leader
19:06 <@Wilpig_> I prefer witless leader
19:06 <@Shadow404> i get the reason he was trying to
19:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> and ohhh wow... did he get _pissed_ when I said, ... "look no one is trying to dethrone you..."
19:07 <@Shadow404> PN was originally his, i get that, but his delivery has been less than promising
19:07 <@Wilpig_> he also wasn't involved in the planning of it for nearly a decarde
19:07 <@Wilpig_> decade*.  shit changes
19:08 <@Shadow404> the site, (install php aside) was how many months late?
19:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> the thing is... he doesn't understand.. and I told him this on friday... "it is HIS job to be 'communicator-in-chief' if you are the president, and HIS job to ask for help, not to wait for US to offer it, and HIS job to make the con good/not look shitty enough to have us want to contribute"
19:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> he didn't agree with those 3 points
19:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....so I'm done...
19:10 <@oddball> Oh, don't worry, he'll blame you, me, Wilpig_, Dagmar, etc for it crashing and burning.
19:10 <@Wilpig_> I fully expect that
19:11 <@Wilpig_> He wont' be to blame for anything, hasn't ever been to blame
19:11 <@Wilpig_> his string of excuses for everything shows that
19:11 <@Bahhumbug> He has no leadership ability and he's in over his head.  Frankly, what he did a decade or more ago isn't relevant to current issues at all.
19:12 <@Bahhumbug> He can'd govern.  He can'd delegate.  And his persecution complex is doing nothing but generating this strife.
19:12 <@Bahhumbug> And I can't type.
19:12 <@Bahhumbug> Meh
19:12 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: it's time for ice cream
19:12 <@Wilpig_> that shit fixes everything
19:13 <@Shadow404> it also is a leading cause for obesity
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19:14 <@Shadow404> speaking of butthurt
19:14 <@Wilpig_> don't speak ill of my rocky road, bitch
19:14 <@Shadow404> heh
19:14  * oddball grabs a Klondike bar from the freezer as an appitizer.
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19:38 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: classic redirection, RE: last reply
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19:39 <@Dagmar> I dont' know who Eldridge got that idea from
19:40 <@Dagmar> Still waiting for Dru to actually explain himself
19:42 <@Wilpig_> dru would have to acknowlege you spoke before he can respond to it
19:44 <@Wilpig_> if he were to acknowledge you speaking would be him admitting to there being issues
19:44 <@Dagmar> Well, he's going to have to, because I'm going to keep asking, and I'm going to be more and more explicit about it every time
19:45 <@Dagmar> It's amazing how when youo insult me to my face a few times when I'm trying to be diplomatic that I turn into a complete hardass about things
19:45 <@Dagmar> I've never done that before at all
19:46 <@Dagmar> I was *trying* to approach the subject of him being fed misinformation gently
19:46 <@Bahhumbug> Umm, not to rain on your parade,,, but he doesn't have to respond to you at all, at least not in a venue where it is trivial to ignore you and others that call him out on things.
19:46 <@Dagmar> That's right, he doesn't have to respond
19:46 <@Bahhumbug> He can pretend to take the "high road" and just not comment.
19:47 <@Dagmar> He can sit there and ignore it
19:47 <@Wilpig_> Enough noise and he'll have to respond or the snowball will grow bigger from the all the non-response
19:47 <@Dagmar> ...and everyone who has an interest can see that a long-standing member of the organization has serious questions about a technical fuckup he was responsible for, and he's evading the issue
19:47 <@Dagmar> It'll cost him face.
19:47 <@Bahhumbug> I am not saying it's the _right_ tactic, Dagmar, only that it's easy enough to do.
19:48 <@Dagmar> I tried the difficult way.  He's clearly having none of it
19:48 <@Dagmar> You would think that he might listen to me since we've known each other for so long
19:48 <@Dagmar> Since he's not, well, his problem.
19:48 <@Dagmar> I tend to side with reality.
19:48 <@Bahhumbug> I am not arguing that at all.
19:49 <@Bahhumbug> For as much shit a I stir up on occasion, _this_ is not that.
19:49 <@oddball> And, you know, you two used to be damned good friends.
19:49 <@Dagmar> I'm not allowing him to hand-wave this off as if I'm just another member of some conspiracy to "get him"
19:49 <@Bahhumbug> But I would be shocked if he did comment in public due to the aforementioned reasons that Wilpig_ stated.  To comment is to admit wrong-doing / fault.  I don't see that occuring.
19:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah but we can respect people who say "Oh hell.  I fucked up."
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> No matter who he tries to push blame on, _HE_ runs the organization and it's on _HIM_ as leader.
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> I prefer people that admit fucking up.  It's human and it's honesty.
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> Because...  and here's the novel concept....
19:50 <@Bahhumbug> Everyone Makes Mistakes
19:51 <@Dagmar> I suspect someone may have pushed a narrative they've embellished, in order to strengthen their argument that people are out to get them
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck her.
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> With c ahainsaw.
19:51 <@Wilpig_> there is no suspecting that 
19:51 <@Wilpig_> it's pretty obvious
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed.
19:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, this is why I just plan on making ignoring reality increasing more uncomfortable.
19:52 <@Wilpig_> that fact that i supposedly said "he would never take phreaknic from me" is proof enough of fabrication
19:52 <@Bahhumbug> But to be fair about this...  We, myself perhaps more than most, were quite blunt to her in this channel.  It would be trivial to only show _those_ excerpts and have people people we are all angry women haters that pushed her out.,
19:52 <@Dagmar> We're engineers damnit.  We ain't playin' no damn reindeer games up in here.
19:53 <@Bahhumbug> But in my defense, I can't tolerate her type of bullshit and she needed to be shut down.
19:53  * Bahhumbug shrugs
19:53 <@Wilpig_> I support the idea of her getting set on fire
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> She's a venomous bitch that poisoned this channel in her time here.
19:54 <@Wilpig_> literally, not figuratively.
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> @fire amber
19:54  * GateKeeper sets fire to amber with the flames of a thousand suns
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> There you go.
19:54 <@Wilpig_> the one bit of good she did was got people talking.  but damn was it ever hate filled.  more than usual for in here
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> She came in her expected to be treated with kid gloves because she's got boobs.  Yeah, no.  Doesn't work that way.
19:55 <@Wilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ockc9idencldgj/post-tits-or-gtfo.jpg?dl=0
19:55 <@Bahhumbug> heh
19:55 <@Bahhumbug> Stolen.  Thanks.
19:55 <@Wilpig_> and the cycle continues.  heh
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> I mentioned all this drama to my wife Friday just to give her a head's up that legal action had been threatened since that type of thing catching her by surprise gets my nuts on a necklace around her neck and I try to avoid that when possible.
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> "Sounds like this bitch needs to get laid."
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> I found that apt.
19:57 <@Wilpig_> I suggested that aestetix_ take one for the team, but he wasn't going for it
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I've been asking him to do that for months.
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> He just ignores it.
19:58 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Wait.... legal action has been threatened?
19:58 <@Wilpig_> oddball: yeah.  witless leader wanted to call the cops on me
19:58 <@oddball> The fuck?!
19:58 <@Wilpig_> for defacing the website
19:59 <@Wilpig_> remember when I found the installer?  yeah.
19:59 <@oddball> Jesus Christ.
19:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> he threatened to go all 'weev' on him, and claim he was hacking/etc
19:59 <@Wilpig_> that's what made corydon bail on the channel the other night
20:00 <@oddball> Fuckit.... I'm now of the opinion of someone needs to convince me that I should show up to PN.
20:00 <@Wilpig_> cause I went off on corydon for him not defusing the situation with basic logic and instead he and I weren't the friends I thought we were after all these years since he didn't defend me
20:00 <@oddball> Eh, my opionion of Corydon is pretty damn low already.
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> [00:33:23] <@Corydon76-home> He was ready to call the US Attorney and have you arrested
20:08 <@Dagmar> Right.  so *that* is a thing we should expose
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20:09 <@Dagmar> Because excuse me, but the head of a _hacker organization_, threatening or even _considering_ rolling on one of it's long-standing members, after they demanded _proper security procedure_ be adhered to, and such a massive clusterfuck as what they did?
20:09 <@oddball> Honestly, I'm pretty sure the US Attorney's office would respond with "go away, kid" after hearing the story.
20:09 <@Dagmar> That's a way to lose respect in hacking circles.
20:09 <@Dagmar> That'll be a no confidence vote
20:10 <@oddball> Dagmar: I jsut realized, the question of "a little social engineering goes a long way" wasn't his answer about what you did, but what he thinks he's doing.
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> Hitting a public URL is not criminally actionable.  The USAG would defer it.  The FBI would defer it.  The TBI can't be bothed.  Local LE would laugh and possibly smack someone for wasting their time.
20:10 <@Dagmar> Maybe but I don't think so
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> bothered even
20:11 <@Dagmar> It's an unpublished URL, so I don't know how "public" it would be considered after weev's bullshit, but the fact remains that it being available on a prod site was fucking stupid
20:11 <@Dagmar> I'm sort of wondering if this is the kinda shit that got him separated from Dragon*con
20:12 <@oddball> That would be my guess.
20:12 <@Dagmar> As I still want to consider Dru _my friend_ I *do* have a rather serious concern that perhaps he _is_ losing his mind
20:12 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... I'm pretty worried about that too.
20:13 <@Dagmar> If cops had shown up at my door over this, I'd have dug out her number and called his mom
20:14 <@Dagmar> Not to "tattle" or some silly shit, but to maybe get someone he can't ignore to express concern over his mental state
20:15 <@oddball> I've been trying to figure out if he's actually going bat-shit, or if he's just been out of the "real world" for too long taking care of/living with his mom.
20:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> i gotta give amber credit though, this is exactly what she wanted
20:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> either she's a plant... or she's a fucking natural
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> It's public.  It's not behind any type of server auth.  It's a known URL for multiple CMS sites.  And the here is not the same with dickbag weev at all.
20:16 <@Dagmar> I'm having a hard time believing that someone could make this sort of shit happen without it being deliberate
20:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh no... I think it is deliberate either way
20:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> just I wonder her motives
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20:19 <@Bahhumbug> But RangerZ|Laptop...  we were "mean" to her.
20:19 <@Dagmar> pFft
20:19 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, mostly me.  I'm not nice to douchebags.  I take the blame for calling her the names I did.
20:19 <@Dagmar> We were _nice_ to her, all things considered
20:19 <@Wilpig_> pretty sure I tried to rape her
20:20 <@Dagmar> We gave her every chance to stop acting like an uncultured lunatic
20:21 <@Bahhumbug> Her double-standards against misogynists when she is a card-carrying misandrist I found irritating.
20:21 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: Standards, my man... Standards.
20:23 <@Wilpig_> i'm not saying it really happened.  i'm saying she might claim that
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> She could walk into gen-pop of any max sec prison and walk through unharmed.
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> Even they have standards.
20:26 <@Dagmar> Let's try and steer clear of the personal attacks for a bit.  We know she's got issues and let's just leave it at that
20:26 <@Wilpig_> i'm still gonna attack her.  after all I was stalking her.  and that was said as a fact
20:27 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure I'll be accused of stalking her simply because I was trying to vet some suspicious things she was saying
20:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> i agree with dagmar, we can't win this the normal way of saying to each other "I think thats stupid, go fuck yourself" back and forth and being done with it
20:27 <@Wilpig_> I was accused of stalking her for /ctcp anarchival version
20:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> she'll use that as us being "barbarians", etc
20:27 <@Dagmar> Specically, how she could possibly have been friends with Becky
20:28 <@Dagmar> er Specifically
20:28 <@Dagmar> I'm just astonished that with so many people saying the same things to him that Dru can't see that's a warning sign that something is amiss
20:29 <@Wilpig_> it's because he already had his sights set on me.  she backed that story and reinforced it making herself integral to his everything
20:29 <@Dagmar> Maybe people skipping the next meeting will be a bigger clue
20:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope, we can't let him do that
20:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats what she/he want
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> I am stating opinions.  And considering that, out of the blue, after I had been ignoring this channel for a while due to work issues and other commitments, she attack me for no reason...  Screw her.
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> I will try to reduce the volume, however.
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> But I make no promises.
20:30 <@Wilpig_> she's not here, it should be easy to drop
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20:31 <@Wilpig_> as an alternate topic I offer this NSFW image.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ev56w30sp19xsvx/1410013398415.jpg?dl=0   NSFW
20:32 <@Dagmar> That's a little horrifying
20:32 <@Dagmar> I don't even want to know where you got it
20:32 <@Wilpig_> and alot of funny?
20:33 <@Dagmar> A little too horrifying for that
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> Hi aestetix_ lite.
20:33 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug++
20:33 <@Wilpig_> ouch
20:33 <@Wilpig_> that hurts
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sorry :(
20:33 <@Dagmar> Well... Now you know.
20:33 <@Dagmar> I was thinking kinda the same thing here
20:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm going to go every monthly meeting, and maybe even to the 'other' meetings if they are still holding them, and sit there and just give my opinions.... because that is what the current crowd fears the most
20:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> just like censorship, you only cut down on communication , when you fear it
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> Ideally the meetings would be recorded and made public after the fact or streamed live and preserved after the fact.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Question: Approx how large is the dues paying membership of Nashville-2600?
20:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> 30/yr
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> No, not the monetary fee, the membership head count.
20:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe 10
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> Most of which are all here?
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> Really?
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> I thought it was far larger.
20:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> me, oddball, the 4 officers, dagmar, and 1~2 more from nlug
20:41 <@oddball> pretty much
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> hell, even when we were dead in the water 312 was larger than that :)
20:42 <@Wilpig_> those are the core, there are generally 15-20 dues paying folks come time of the con
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20:42 <@Wilpig_> jeremy, who are you? ^
20:43 <@Wilpig_> I should get up and clean the kitchen up
20:43 <@Bahhumbug> You should clean mine, too.
20:43 <@Wilpig_> got plans this weekend and need to get shit done early
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20:45 <@Wilpig_> what kind of weird quote is "Good news has no clothes"  ?  http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Metaphor#Talaxian
20:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Metaphor - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (at en.memory-alpha.org)
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20:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: easy, "you will only be happy in life when you are not wearing cloths"
20:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> Nelix was modeled after you afterall, lol
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21:02 <@Shadow404> RangerZ|Laptop: google "Tuvix"
21:02 <@Shadow404> s2ep24 i think
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21:03 <@Shadow404> that was a fucked up episode with some deep moral implications
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21:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe
21:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> i forget it really, I didn't really watch VOY much after the first 1.5~ish seasons
21:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Talaxian_language [Omara s'alas - "good news has no clothes" (used by Neelix to explain the futility of hiding good news to Tom Paris (VOY: "Lineage")]
21:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Talaxian language - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (at en.memory-alpha.org)
21:08 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.angryduck.com/pics/If_At_First.htm
21:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: if at first (at www.angryduck.com)
21:27 < aestetix_> heh
21:28 < aestetix_> Tuvis is the one episode from that show I remember
21:29 <@Bahhumbug> http://slickdeals.net/f/7186140-5-paypal-credit-free?v=1&sdxt01=internal&sdxt02=Deal+Detail&sdxt03=Comments&sdxt04=slickdealsindex
21:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: $5 PayPal Credit Free 09-07-2014 - Slickdeals.net (at slickdeals.net)
21:29 <@Bahhumbug> Legit.
21:30 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: does it include viagra?
21:30 <@Bahhumbug> If you don't want $5 don't click it.
21:35 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: nice.  looks like paypal is testing new onboarding stuff and giving away $5 if you just click the buttons
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.  Plus there is no prompt for your password; they only want your email.
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> And it's paypal DNS.
21:36 <@Wilpig_> I agree it looks legit
21:36 <@Wilpig_> if I get $5 next week i'll thank you
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21:37 < aestetix_> That said
21:37 < aestetix_> I really hate paypal's new design
21:37 < aestetix_> Their design they had for years was just fine.
21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... ranting done
21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> list incoming
21:44 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: have you seen "genymotion"  if so what do you think of it?
21:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> no I haven't, there are a bunch of different emulators that target speed now
21:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> focusing on x86 instead of arm
21:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
21:47 <@Wilpig_> i'm looking at this one now.  
21:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> liking it?
21:52 <@brimstone> i can't wait for DramaCon 2014
21:52 <@Bahhumbug> *clap* *clap* *clap*
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21:57 < aestetix_> vagina
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: apparently genymotion is what some of the students are using for class
22:00 <@Wilpig_> it's very friendly
22:00 <@Wilpig_> I was hoping I could make it run that stupid simpsons game but not looking like it will
22:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
22:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, google isn't doing much on the GPU side
22:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly, I'd _love_ to see a high performance version for android for desktops/laptops
22:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... apparently the CP tweet was real
22:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is fucking stupid...
22:20 <@Dagmar> The what?
22:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> the child porn tweet
22:23 <@Dagmar> What tweet?
22:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> sent to anita sarkesian(sp?)
22:23 <@Dagmar> Wait, you doubted that people _on the Internet_ would be that dumb?
22:23 <@Dagmar> They were clearly fishing for anything, and I mean *anything* that would piss her off
22:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> I wasn't sure if someone was lying or someone was that stupid
22:23 <@Dagmar> lol
22:24 <@Dagmar> Someone's _always_ going to be "that stupid".
22:24 <@Dagmar> ...and there was a whole pile of other types of annoyances going on at the same time
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22:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM_Z5YTop7g lol
22:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Indie-fensible - Bigger Fish to Fry! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> haha
22:31 <@Dagmar> So... is this "Quinnspiracy Theory" just a leader everyone's supposed to use now?
22:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> i dunno
22:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly I think its funny/sad/telling how much the defenders are calling everyone who thinks that there is something rotten in denmark is a 'misogynist'
22:37 <@Wilpig_> well bitches.  i'm crashing.  gonna try to get a decent night's sleep tonight
22:38 <@Dagmar> Well, of course we're all a bunch of misogynistic assholes
22:38 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, they wouldn't have any grounds to be calling us a bunch of misogynistic assholes.
22:38 <@Dagmar> because clearly, the acts of a few assholes are what we're _all_ up to
22:38 <@Dagmar> Every day, all the time
22:39 <@Dagmar> ...which is why we all need to be repeatedly berated and told we're a bunch of misogynistic assholes who need to drop what we're doing and worry about _their_ pet prolems.
22:39 < aestetix_> uh oh
22:40 < aestetix_> So you take a poorly socialized geek and pit them against and angry fauxminist....
22:43 <@brimstone> TNT has already bought the rights
22:43 <@Dagmar> heh
22:45 <@Dagmar> If there were _more_ socialization, more people would see through the nonsense the SJW extremists are toting
22:45 <@Dagmar> They would know for a fact that it's only an extreme minority that are actually misogynistic dickbags
22:45 < aestetix_> Yep.
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...as opposed to the SJW-extremist view, which is that we're all a bunch of misogynists that have so normalized misogyny that we slap waitresses on the ass and call them "Honey" on a weekly basis without noticing.
22:46 < aestetix_> Well
22:47 <@Dagmar> Accusing the majority of the failings of the minority is bullshit
22:47 < aestetix_> Their view seems to be that being born with a penis is a crime punishable by shaming and humilitation in perpetuity
22:48 <@Bahhumbug> Someone needs to check their priviledge.
22:48 <@Dagmar> Don't make me sharpen that 'd' and stab you with it
22:49 <@Bahhumbug> Please.  Put me out of my misery.  My night went to shit and you'd be doing me a favor.
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> And things keep getting better: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-07/centurylink-said-to-seek-to-acquire-rackspace-hosting.html
22:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: CenturyLink Said to Seek to Acquire Rackspace Hosting - Bloomberg (at www.bloomberg.com)
22:51 <@Dagmar> ?
22:51 < aestetix_> I saw that, it is upsetting.
22:52 <@Bahhumbug> One of the shittiest providers is out to acquire one of the best hosting companies.
22:52 <@Bahhumbug> What could possibly go wrong with that?
22:52 <@Dagmar> oof
22:56 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I tried to watch that video and got lost in it.
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23:02 <@Dagmar> Damn you RangerZ
23:02 <@Dagmar> You spolied my joke
23:38 < RangerZ> yeah... i know
23:39 < RangerZ> but it needed to be explained, lol
23:42 < RangerZ> aestetix_: yeah, honestly its a cluster fuck of info, and there needs to be a video explaining it
23:42 <@Bahhumbug> There needs to be a video explaining ... a video?
23:43 < RangerZ> a video explaining the #GamerGate Quinspiracy Phil Fish, etc.... 'stuff'
23:44 < RangerZ> b/c there has been a lot of shenanigans going on
23:45 < RangerZ> and some "DRAMA" bs, has lead to people looking into public accounts and social media interactions of people inolved in and around the "Indie Game" scene (Mostly all out near SF )
23:46 < RangerZ> and Phil Fish's company getting DOXed has lead to discoveries that people who run award shows and other game 'stuff' that pics "best of the year indie game" etc... are financial backers of FEZ the game Phil Fish made
23:46 < RangerZ> so them giving the game awards directly benefited themselves
23:47 < RangerZ> I mean... its not like someone would become VP of an organization, to then have his company sponsor an event for that organization... then have an extra day added on to the event, so his company can offer _paid_ training ... or anything....
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> No.  Of course not.
23:49 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj6p99PhnX4 HAHAHA
23:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: Stolen Celeb Nude Photos To Appear In Art Gallery - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> THAT bit of nonsense needs to be called out as well.  Because if that's not a conflict of interest I am quite unaware of the definition.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> (I also got a chuckle out of emoragequitter's defense of that)
23:53 < aestetix_> RangerZ: the one lesson I took away from the video is not to get involved in the indie gaming world
23:54 < RangerZ> aestetix_: pretty much...
23:56 < RangerZ> but I think its more telling that we need more sunshin and _audits_ of what is going on, both PN and gamergate point to that
23:56 < RangerZ> b/c both's root cause is someone has a scheme that isn't legit... and wants to keep others in the dark so they can do it
23:58 < RangerZ> thats my take-away from all of this, and why I've been so interested in it... and if for 3+ weeks, 4chan, reddit, and gamefaqs have been all focusing on the same topic... it doesn't matter what the "gaming media' says about the topic... calling it "dead" or even "all mysogenists" or w/e
23:58 < RangerZ> there will be NOTHING but auditing and MUCH more sunlight cast over everything, and will disinfect things
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