--- Log opened Fri Sep 05 00:00:40 2014
00:00 < aestetix_> I've decided that anyone who calls themselves a feminist but doesn't care about data privacy is an idiot
00:01 <@Bahhumbug> I am quite use to issue conflation my now but I don't follow this one at all.
00:01 < aestetix_> Given that a lot of our privacy law is because of things like womens right to choose
00:01 <@Bahhumbug> s/use/used/
00:01 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: I was in an argument today with a woman who claimed that data privacy doesn't matter as long as data is "anonymized"
00:02 <@Bahhumbug> What the fuck does that even mean?
00:02 < aestetix_> Fucked if I know.
00:03 < aestetix_> I generally cite the netflix and AOL datasets on that argument
00:03 < aestetix_> But I think it would have been lost on her.
00:03 < aestetix_> I *assume* it means removing someone's name from a dataset.
00:04 <@Bahhumbug> I guess.
00:04 <@Bahhumbug> Really depends on the data in question.
00:04 < aestetix_> Well take medical data
00:04 < aestetix_> If you take someone's name off an x-ray image, is it anonymized?
00:04 < aestetix_> Or you take their name off an appointment log
00:05 <@Bahhumbug> Still needs to be associated with a human at some level.
00:05 < aestetix_> Well here's the thing
00:05 <@Bahhumbug> anonymizing data extracts for various statistical purposes makes sense.
00:06 < aestetix_> Let's say I have a data set of appointments that have no name on them.
00:06 < aestetix_> But then I go and buy a data set of credit card purchases at a nearby walgreens.
00:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone use jmeter?
00:06 < aestetix_> If I can match a walgreens purchase to a medical issue in an appointment, there you go.
00:07  * Bahhumbug nods
00:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> no but you can at CVS, since they are also a major insurer
00:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> which just gets ALL kinds of icky there
00:08 < aestetix_> For example, let's say someone goes to a doctor for something, and then goes to walgreens and gets a prescription.
00:08 < aestetix_> So much for anonymity.
00:08 < aestetix_> This gets really bad because credit systems algorithms are not public.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> The NSA should just buy Wolfram Research and set up a public WolframAlpha and be done with it.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> Make everything public.
00:09 < aestetix_> Let's say I have a medical condition due to an abortion I had.
00:09 < aestetix_> And my credit score suddenly drops 50 points because of it.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> That explains the vagina comments.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> I knew there was a reason.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_ is a chick.
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> Is that illegal?
00:10 <@Bahhumbug> Dropping a credit score based on medical condition?
00:10 < aestetix_> Prove it.
00:10 <@Bahhumbug> Point.
00:10 < aestetix_> "No, had nothing to do with that. We jsut decided to factor in your library book debt"
00:10  * Bahhumbug nods
00:11 < aestetix_> I speak as someone who had to get a library fine dropped off my credit rpeort.
00:11 < aestetix_> That was fucking annoying.
00:11 <@Bahhumbug> You serious?
00:11 < aestetix_> Yes.
00:11 < aestetix_> It was a $40 fine.
00:11 <@Bahhumbug> Your municipal library system actually reports?
00:11 < aestetix_> This was years ago.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.
00:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow.. thats being dicks
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> That's news to me.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> I didn't think any library system did that.
00:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> i know my old one didn't
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> Doesn't it _cost_ to submit to the 3 agencies?
00:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> just time, AFAIK
00:13 < aestetix_> no idea
00:13 < aestetix_> I just know it happened to me
00:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think they wanted to charge, and then even congress had to step in and say ... no
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> I don't see why not.  It's just a service fee.
00:13 < aestetix_> And yes, it was a public library.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Was the fine legit?
00:14 < aestetix_> Yes.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Tsk tsk tsk
00:14 < aestetix_> I suck at returning library books.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
00:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> the credit agencies are regulated a bit weird
00:14 < aestetix_> Also, I am very happy to give money to the library.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, no doubt.
00:14 < aestetix_> So I had no moral objection to it.
00:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats how you can get your score for free now, once a year
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> We donate to our local system.
00:14 < aestetix_> But yeah.
00:15 < aestetix_> The conference was hard, given how much time I've spent studying anonymity and the cloud. Hearing all these sales goons praising the cloud
00:15 <@Bahhumbug> I couldn't have dealt with that for long.
00:15 <@Bahhumbug> And by long I mean 30 minutes or so.
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00:30 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So I'm finally playing Fire Emblem...
00:30 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: The combat animations are interesting.  It does a slo-mo thing when someone is killed.
00:31 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: THey'll say things like "Damn!" when they die, except for one guy...
00:31 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: He actually said "Shuuuuu-garrrr."
01:01 < RangerZ1> yeah, fire emblem has some of the best stories in the last generation, plus they actually make good use of all the screen/buttons/etc
01:05 -!- juice2 [~juice@65.26.85.135] has joined #se2600
01:05 < juice2> Okay who want to hear my rant on the website
01:06 < juice2> wants
01:06  * juice2 stares at Corydon76-home 
01:06 < aestetix_> http://www.startribune.com/local/273973211.html
01:06 < aestetix_> juice2: ok
01:07 < juice2> FIX THE REGISTRATION PAGE all I am saying and I am paying 25 bucks
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> Err, sorry.
01:08 <@Bahhumbug> hahahahahahahahaha
01:09 < juice2> oh and to change passwords is also quite annoying
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> This who "web" thing is difficult because it's such a new technology.
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> or something.
01:09 <@Bahhumbug> s/who/whole/
01:09 < juice2> used it the past 6 years or whatever and never seen it so bad
01:09 <@Corydon76-home> Well, Google Checkout discontinued the signup
01:09 < juice2> it's never worked
01:10 <@Corydon76-home> So this year it's all new
01:10 < juice2> yeah all it says is something about the data is old click here ot refresh
01:10 < juice2> and loops over and over
01:10 <@Bahhumbug> So... am I permitted to make comments other than just laughing at this continuing farce?
01:11 < juice2> make all you like
01:11 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: you of course are coming to the meeting tomorrow?
01:11 <@Bahhumbug> I get yelled at when I continue to point the abysmal failures out.
01:11 <@Bahhumbug> I am of course not.  If I go one of Amber or myself it going to end up in a cell.
01:12 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, I have stuff scheduled tomorrow night and I couldn't get there even had I wanted to go.
01:12 <@Corydon76-home> juice2: I just completed the registration.  Worked fine for me
01:12 <@Bahhumbug> And Corydon76-home... my going isn't going to have an influence one way or another.  I will point things out.  There will be excuses.  And it will all remain the same.
01:13 < juice2> Okay
01:13 < juice2> well it can either be fixed or I will  stay home
01:13 <@Corydon76-home> juice2: Google Chrome here.  What are you using?
01:13 <@Bahhumbug> So really, it's better for me not to be there from a point of non-disruption of the event.
01:14 < juice2> firefox, android built in browser ff in windfows ff in linux
01:16 <@Corydon76-home> Try Chrome, and see if that works.  I'll send off a note to the web designer that someone is having trouble with Firefox and see if he can figure it out
01:17 <@Corydon76-home> I see 6 transactions other than mine in the database, so it is working...
01:22 < notlarry> 6?
01:22 < notlarry> *sigh*
01:23 <@Bahhumbug> It's still early.
01:23 <@Corydon76-home> It's only been working since Tuesday, I think.
01:23 < juice2> The form has become outdated. Copy any unsaved work in the form below and then reload this page.
01:23 < juice2> all i can get to load
01:24 < juice2> click the link to reload and same result
01:24 < juice2> what is ther to copy the number 1 haha
01:24 <@Corydon76-home> juice2: log out of the website
01:24 < juice2> i have
01:24 < juice2> logged out and back in on 3 devices
01:24 < juice2> always same thing
01:24 <@Corydon76-home> Still using Firefox?
01:25 <@Corydon76-home> There is another meeting tomorrow evening, and I've submitted a report on your behalf.  We'll try to get it worked out.
01:27 < juice2> it says the same thing in IE
01:27 < juice2> i don't use chrome
01:27 < juice2> nor have it installed
01:27 < aestetix_> https://www.coursera.org/course/surveillance
01:27 <@Bahhumbug> You do know that the speakers page is still empty?
01:27 < juice2> well I will look at tomorrow again
01:27 <@Corydon76-home> juice2: try again tomorrow evening.
01:28 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps you can get that fixed as well.
01:28 < juice2> ok
01:28 <@Corydon76-home> The speakers page is for bios, which aren't submitted yet.  The program page has the listing of speakers
01:29 <@Corydon76-home> As I've mentioned on multiple occasions
01:29 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... about that.  That doesn't track with anyone that clicks a page titled "Speakers" that just assumes that they will get a list of, you know, speakers.
01:29 <@Bahhumbug> No, you've never once mentioned "bios".
01:29 <@Bahhumbug> You've defended it other ways.
01:29 <@Bahhumbug> And I'mnot interested in a pissing contest yet again.
01:29 <@Corydon76-home> Then don't start one
01:29 < juice2> I can pick it up for you if you like
01:29 < aestetix_> penis
01:30 <@Bahhumbug> I'm just pointing out that it's still broken because the layout is poor.
01:30 < juice2> ^
01:30 <@Corydon76-home> There's nothing I can do about that except submit a report
01:30 <@Bahhumbug> And considering that I am not the only one pointing this out... it's a problem.
01:30 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: make sure you're using the new cover.
01:30 <@Corydon76-home> What else do you want me to do about it?
01:31 < juice2> edit text to new label?
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> I don't expect you to fix it, Corydon76-home.  It's not your responsibility.
01:31 <@Corydon76-home> Ain't my site, and I'm locked out, because somebody attempted to tamper with the site
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> Pointing it out to those that _can_ fix it is all I can ask.
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> And even that is more than you should have to do.
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> OMGWTFBBQ!!!111oneoneone
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> Someone attempted to tamper with a site for a hacker con?
01:31 <@Bahhumbug> Nowai!
01:32 <@Wilpig_> you're locked out cause someone attempted to tamper?  seriously? AHAHAHAHAHA
01:32 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig_: you're locked out, as well
01:32 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: My comments, and trolls, aren't in any way directed at you.
01:32 <@Wilpig_> I never had an account
01:32 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig_: your ssh keys were deleted, IIRC
01:33 <@Wilpig_> well isn't that lovely.
01:33 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: so I just realized something, one of the major plotpoints in one of the most popular manga in the last 10 years... is about the main characters being dox'd
01:33 <@Corydon76-home> Well, you pissed off jonnyx
01:33 <@Wilpig_> he pissed himself off
01:33 <@Bahhumbug> Or pissed on himself.
01:33 <@Wilpig_> I've been ignored consistently, documented
01:33 <@Bahhumbug> I kinda see that as being possible too.
01:33 <@Corydon76-home> He was ready to call the US Attorney and have you arrested
01:33 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, fuck him.
01:34 <@Wilpig_> good
01:34 <@Wilpig_> do it
01:34 <@Wilpig_> I want to see that fucking proof
01:34 <@Bahhumbug> That's so fucking laughable it's actually sad.
01:34 <@Wilpig_> CALL THE FUCKING COPS
01:34 <@Wilpig_> CALL THEM
01:34 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps someone needs to explain libel and slander while we're at it?
01:34 <@Corydon76-home> I think Dolemite got him calmed down
01:34 <@Wilpig_> I'm so clear of any and all blame in anything that has happened it's fucking laughable
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> Is this with regards to some 'tard not removing the install script?
01:35 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig_: Amber said she thought it was humorous that you did essentially what got her bf tossed in jail
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> Because if so... fuck him.  Sideways.
01:35 <@Wilpig_> and that was what?
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> She had a bf?
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> When?
01:35 <@Corydon76-home> Visted a URL
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> More improtantly, what?
01:35 <@Wilpig_> I hit a URL that was open to the public that launched an automated install?
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> That's not grounds for prosecution.
01:35 <@Corydon76-home> Not her bf, the troll she wanted to bang, whatshisname
01:35 <@Corydon76-home> weev
01:35 <@Wilpig_> I didn;t script the probing of a company for user information
01:35 <@Bahhumbug> Not in this or any other jurisdiction.
01:36 <@Wilpig_> I hit one single url that shoudln't have been present
01:36 <@Wilpig_> I want to hear that argument in court
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> I hit it too.
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> Please.
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> Have tell him to come after me.
01:36 <@Bahhumbug> I am about 983465983426523984659348 times sure I have a more expensive lawyer than he can afford.  And there will be a suit.  Filed within 24 hours.
01:36 <@Corydon76-home> You're thinking about this like rational folks.  The prosecutors aren't so logical
01:37 <@Wilpig_> https://www.drupal.org/documentation/install/run-script
01:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Step 4: Run the installation script | Drupal.org (at www.drupal.org)
01:37 <@Bahhumbug> It won't get that far.  That's criminal and will be tossed on lack of merit.
01:37 <@Bahhumbug> The civil suit I file will make his and the organization he heads cry like a little girl.
01:38 <@Wilpig_> I made the mistake in thinking I was dealing with rational people, but again it is being made EXTREMELY clear in my absence you fucks have lost your god damned minds
01:38 <@Wilpig_> since I am not physically there to defend myself or my actions you fucks are free to slander me all you want
01:38 <@Bahhumbug> No, they aren't.
01:38 <@Wilpig_> I am NOT trevor hearn, I still have my integrity
01:39 < RangerZ1> but I wouldn't give them 'legal' authority to say whatever the fuck they want, Hell... I wouldn't give my MOM that ...
01:40 <@Wilpig_> Corydon76-home: for as long as you've known me i'd expect you to be a voice of reason with crazy pants but clearly you are buying in onthe story they've concocted, so fuck you too
01:40 <@Corydon76-home> When did I say that?
01:40 < RangerZ1> and here is the thing.... none of the popele in this room... not even aestetix_ ... are as fucking stupid as weev
01:40 <@Corydon76-home> Damnit, I was present in the room when all of this went down
01:40 < RangerZ1> none of us would fight the prosecutor, and would just calmly tell him that they have the wrong person
01:41 <@Wilpig_> and you shoudl have been defusing the shit with dru and that crazy fucking bitch then
01:41 <@Wilpig_> even saying he was wanting to goto a lawyer shoudl have been met with "you're fucking insane"
01:41 <@Corydon76-home> I was trying to get content up on the site when you hit the install script.  Yeah, it shouldn't have been there.  Fine.  You win.
01:42 <@Corydon76-home> He already has a lawyer
01:42 <@Corydon76-home> Pro bono services
01:42 < RangerZ1> also... I'm thinking too fast.. and meant to say s/as fucking stupid/as fucking stuborn enough to not be polite at court and be fucking stupid as weev/
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Excellent.  I pay mine.  What's your point?
01:43 <@Wilpig_> He has a lawyer willing to take that case?  PLEASE!
01:43 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-home: seriously, just stop defending him, if he want to bitch by proxy, then tell him to get in here, or get his lawyer , thats all there is to it
01:43 < RangerZ1> no reason to even have this discussion right now
01:43 <@Wilpig_> I'll have a string of competent developers roll through there and laugh at the installer being present and say that clearly incompetence was to blame
01:43 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ1: how am I defending anybody.  I'm stating facts.
01:44 <@Corydon76-home> Fuck it.  Dru doesn't want anybody communicating in here with this crowd, so I'm off.
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01:44 <@Bahhumbug> What a little bitch.
01:44 < RangerZ1> what
01:44 < RangerZ1> wait.
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> Dru has his leash held pretty tightly.
01:44 <@Wilpig_> and that is the true source of the problem
01:44 <@Wilpig_> little trevor is working to split se2600 again
01:45 < RangerZ1> wtf... "Dru doesn't want anybody communicating in here with this crowd"
01:45 < RangerZ1> and... so...
01:45 < RangerZ1> wow..... I'm actually kinda shocked
01:45 <@Wilpig_> i'm not
01:45 <@Wilpig_> you haven't seen benthemeek around much lately 
01:45 <@Bahhumbug> I pray that someone does something stupid and names me in an indictment.  I need a new roof on my house can use a new car.
01:45 <@Bahhumbug> And I am not in ANY way kidding about this.
01:46 <@Wilpig_> the only one they will target is me
01:46 <@Wilpig_> cause crazypants has a hard on for me
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> I put myself out there.
01:46 < RangerZ1> ohh.... I'd fucking sick the vandy lawyers on them...
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> If they follow up on it they will rue the day.
01:46 < RangerZ1> vandy wouldn't like one of their students getting sued for this nonsense either
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> And whatever spying cunt is in this channel, feel free to pass that along to your master(s).
01:48 -!- Wilpig_ changed the topic of #se2600 to: Geeknic :: March 20-22, 2015 http://geeknic.info
01:49 <@Wilpig_> you know.  I do believe I still have dru's cell phone number
01:49 <@Bahhumbug> 1-800-eat-shit?
01:50 <@Wilpig_> actually I better just calm down and not do that.  even though I really fucking want to
01:50 < RangerZ1> holy fuck... this is so stupid
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> it's not worth it.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> Really, it's not.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ1: This goes beyond mere stupidity.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> But I really do need a new roof.
01:50 < RangerZ1> Though... I'd feel bad.... forclosing on his mom's house to pay for your roof, and all the new cars we'd all get/pay off, or w/e
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Not my problem.
01:51 < RangerZ1> pretty much...
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> And his mom's house isn't relevant unless he's owner or lien holder.
01:51 < RangerZ1> I'm pretty sure everyone in this channel hit that URL once
01:51 < RangerZ1> i think he is
01:51 < RangerZ1> thats why i mentioned it
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Then tough shit.
01:51 <@Wilpig_> it doesn't matter who hit it
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Not my problem.
01:51 <@Wilpig_> it would have been eventually crawled by google
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> simple enough to test: inurl:
01:52 < RangerZ1> Wilpig_: ohh I know, but if they are going to sue one of us, then it'd be all of us
01:52 <@Wilpig_> same shit would have happened, they announced it being live.  they chose to use a live code site.  they hired an unqualified developer that left them open to stupidity
01:52 <@Wilpig_> fuck that.  sue me
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> That won't fly.  This isn'y worthy of a class-action.
01:52 < RangerZ1> god damn it... its funny we all WANT sued
01:52 <@Wilpig_> I will enjoy calling the big head office and telling them what I am being sued for and that I need some support for the case
01:52 < RangerZ1> lol
01:53 <@Bahhumbug> I don't want to be sued.
01:53 <@Bahhumbug> But I sure as fuck won't back down from it.
01:53 < RangerZ1> yeah
01:54 <@Wilpig_> just to make sure this is out there again.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/37nrcsnkdjqz4xc/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-23%20at%207.40.25%20PM.png?dl=0
01:58 < RangerZ1> ohh tomorrow is the meeting too
01:58 < RangerZ1> tomorrow will be interesting
01:59 <@Bahhumbug> Tomorrow will be a shitfest.
01:59 <@Wilpig_> tomorrow will be full of excuses
01:59 <@Wilpig_> big talk, lots of excuses
01:59 <@Bahhumbug> s/excuses/unfounded and groundless accusations
02:02 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ1: I went ahead and bought super mario 3d world today cause of that sale
02:02 <@Wilpig_> I didn't really want it, but meh.  I got it anyway
02:02 < RangerZ1> from what I've seen its fun
02:03 <@Wilpig_> mario 3d world?  it's okay.  kinda repetative
02:03 <@Wilpig_> that's what I didn't like about the 3ds version
02:03 < RangerZ1> I'll get a Wii U for those first party games for me and mom, and visitors to plas as party games
02:03 < RangerZ1> I actually enjoyed sunshine
02:03 < RangerZ1> but it was MFing platformer from hell in certain places
02:03 <@Wilpig_> I talked to my boss the other day and I told him I am gonna bring the wii-u in for our next tour day
02:04 <@Wilpig_> so we'll get some mario kart 8 going or maybe some other mario game going
02:04 <@Wilpig_> I need to pick up another procontroller
02:04 < RangerZ1> though... not as hard as the _hardest_ game I've ever played.... a PS2 spongebob squarepants game my little cousin brough over... and I spent hours trying to pass one level for them... it was fucking crazy... rated for age 7 and it was harder than any platformer I've ever seen
02:05 < RangerZ1> I have an original wii pro controller... unopened that I bought when i got the first wii, never used, lol
02:06 < RangerZ1> mainly b/c I left it downstairs in the living room when I lived at home, and then left at home for holidays/so mom can have the kids play when the cousins come play
02:06 <@Wilpig_> the pro controller for the original wii was mostly useless
02:07 <@Wilpig_> the wii-u one is used in many of the games
02:07 <@Wilpig_> or it can be
02:08 < RangerZ1> I kinda hope that nintendo just comes out with the Wii 2 soon, and its ~ps4 power... but backwards compatible for wii U games at least
02:08 < RangerZ1> x86/x64 based
02:09 < RangerZ1> I'd buy that quickly
02:09 <@Wilpig_> I wouldn't bank on it
02:09 <@Wilpig_> they seem to have put more resources into the 3ds 
02:10 < RangerZ1> yeah... but i'm still curious about their patent on having a handheld 'docking' with the home console
02:10 < RangerZ1> so if new 3ds can use that NFC to transfer info, or w/e .... that would be nice
02:10 <@Wilpig_> they did that with the gamecube, sorta
02:10 < RangerZ1> yeah
02:10 < RangerZ1> but this is a 'new' patent they submitted like last year
02:11 <@Wilpig_> you sure it isn't just another patent for the main wii-u controller?
02:11 <@Wilpig_> something to make it dock on the unit itself rather than the dock it uses now?
02:12 < RangerZ1> yeah, I dunno, I don't remember it much offhand
02:12 <@Wilpig_> the 3ds doesn't have any connection ports anymore.
02:12 <@Wilpig_> and we all know how close nfc has to be
02:12 < RangerZ1> http://wiiudaily.com/2014/05/nintendo-patent-shows-device-with-interchangeable-controls/ that would have been nice for new 3ds
02:13 < RangerZ1> i'm still worried about the 'nub'
02:13 < RangerZ1> ehh... tried googlefu'ing it... but 'ehh'... no such luck offhand, and honestly...
02:14 <@Wilpig_> that does look exactly like the phoneblox conecpt
02:14 < RangerZ1> they have changed their overall strategy to now focus on 'hardcore' gamers, and not just 'casuals'
02:14 < RangerZ1> so who knows what they will do now
02:14 < RangerZ1> b/c "new 3ds" came out of left field
02:14 <@Wilpig_> it realy did
02:14 <@Wilpig_> the new triggers on it will be awkward
02:15 <@Wilpig_> very very awkward
02:15 < RangerZ1> yeah...
02:15 < RangerZ1> the worst might be the power on the outside
02:15 < RangerZ1> _that_ could suck
02:16 < RangerZ1> also... this jmeter and the jmeter-plugins... are REALLY nice
02:16 <@Wilpig_> I really hate where they moved the power button to
02:16 < RangerZ1> its basically a custom DDOS creation tool
02:16 <@Wilpig_> I LOVE the microsd though
02:16 < RangerZ1> the replaceable battery is nice
02:17 < RangerZ1> I don't know about the 3ds now, but it having it in new is great
02:17 < RangerZ1> them region locking kinda sucks too
02:17 < RangerZ1> but they _have_ to
02:17 <@Wilpig_> moving the cart to the bottom is just about as bad as the power button to me.  it seems like I would eject that accidentally more
02:17 < RangerZ1> b/c exchange rate on games is stupid , its cheaper for japanese to import games from the US than buy them local
02:17 <@Wilpig_> heh
02:18 < RangerZ1> the audio jack in the center actually makes sense
02:18 <@Wilpig_> indeed
02:19 < RangerZ1> overall I'm not 'upset' about the changes, the 'better' cpu (whatever that means) is a good addition
02:19 <@Wilpig_> they have time before it comes to the US to move the power button.  ;)
02:19 < RangerZ1> but I kinda wish they didn't invalidate my current hardware from just like 1yr ago
02:20 <@Wilpig_> I'm ready for a new one.  mine gets way more use than yours though
02:20 < RangerZ1> also.. if they made an attachment for GB advanced/gameboy games... that would be fucking great
02:20 <@Wilpig_> never happen
02:20 < RangerZ1> i still have my gameboy advance, b/c it has some of the best games
02:20 <@Wilpig_> they're pushing those in the estore now
02:20 < RangerZ1> yeah
02:21 < RangerZ1> the a little boy
02:21 < RangerZ1> fuck it
02:21 < RangerZ1> I was going to make a joke about how the little boy hiding in my deep dark soul can always hope and dream
02:21 < RangerZ1> and then I stared and was going to delete... and then hit enter...
02:21 < RangerZ1> i'm too tired
02:22 <@Wilpig_> hehe
02:22 <@Wilpig_> I need to pass out too
02:22 < RangerZ1> but I need to have some results for tomorrow
02:22 < RangerZ1> Wilpig_: you might like this jmeter
02:22 <@Wilpig_> link?
02:22 < RangerZ1> hold on
02:23 < RangerZ1> https://jmeter.apache.org/
02:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Apache JMeter - Apache JMeter (at jmeter.apache.org)
02:23 < RangerZ1> http://jmeter-plugins.org/
02:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: JMeter Plugins :: JMeter-Plugins.org (at jmeter-plugins.org)
02:23 < RangerZ1> and the plugins are what really make it nice for monitoring remote servers
02:23 < RangerZ1> http://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/PerfMonMetrics/ all the metrics you can pull easily
02:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Documentation :: JMeter-Plugins.org (at jmeter-plugins.org)
02:24 <@Wilpig_> definitely interesting
02:24 < RangerZ1> by default kinda shitty security
02:24 < RangerZ1> but meant for benchmarking/etc
02:25 < RangerZ1> but apparently you can tighten it up too, I just haven't looked into the security aspect of it yet
02:29 < RangerZ1> but either way... night all
02:30 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: bring your go-pro-cam tomorrow... tomorrow will be worth filming...
02:30 < RangerZ1> lol
02:30 <@Wilpig_> that's truth
02:31 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: any news from the gaming/harassment community?
02:33 < aestetix_> Dagmar: we have a new contender for stupid startups
02:33 < aestetix_> http://www.umbrellahere.com/
02:33 < aestetix_> I kid you not, it is a social network for helping people share umbrellas in the rain.
02:33 <@Bahhumbug> That is indeed stupid.
02:36 < aestetix_> Here is the problem they want to solve
02:36 < aestetix_> "We remembered that during rainy days, people without umbrellas would just stand outside the Hong Kong subway station waiting for the rain to stop."
02:56 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: http://bato.to/read/_/82785/bakuman_ch165_by_red-hawk-neo/3 the manga I was talking about where a doxing becomes the central plot point for the end of the seires
02:57 < RangerZ1> series*
02:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bakuman - ch 165 Page 3 | Batoto! (at bato.to)
02:57 < RangerZ1> in english, btw
02:57 < aestetix_> I learned a new term
02:57 < aestetix_> "poop cameling"
02:58 < RangerZ1> and its one of the top ~100 most popular manga/anime ever, so its not a small fry story either
02:59 < RangerZ1> might be good for usage in explaining why anonymity is an important thing
02:59 < RangerZ1> b/c honestly, you never really give a good reason in chat (though I think you're usually trolling at that point, lol)
03:00 < aestetix_> I don't think there is such a thing as anonymity
03:00 < aestetix_> But it depends on how you define it
03:00 < RangerZ1> public anonymity at least
03:00 < RangerZ1> going by a pen name, or such things
03:01 < aestetix_> That's not anonymity.
03:01 < aestetix_> That's pseudonymity.
03:01  * RangerZ1 shrugs
03:01 < RangerZ1> i guess
03:02 < RangerZ1> but I don't really see much difference in most online/tech issues
03:02  * aestetix_ sighs
03:02 < aestetix_> That's because a lot of the tech is poorly designed.
03:02  * aestetix_ glares at PGP
03:02 < RangerZ1> no
03:02 < RangerZ1> i mean ignoring the current tech
03:03 < aestetix_> And also, most people in the media have no clue what they are talking about
03:03 < RangerZ1> the ability to create a pseudonym at any time you want, is giving anamity
03:03 < aestetix_> No it isn't.
03:03 < aestetix_> You're adopting a persona.
03:03 < RangerZ1> sure it is, thats what throw away accounts are for
03:04 < aestetix_> Nope. Even with a throwaway account you are adopting a persona, albeit for a very limited time.
03:04 < aestetix_> Not that the persona has much depth to it...
03:04 < RangerZ1> sure... by all technical definitions, but I mean practical purposes
03:05 < RangerZ1> in all honesty, i think that is even better than anomitity
03:05 < RangerZ1> fuck
03:05 < RangerZ1> w/e, you know what I mean
03:05 < aestetix_> Sure, I do.
03:05 < RangerZ1> b/c you can prevent someone else from pretending to be the person who made that post
03:05 < aestetix_> But the terms are not well understood.
03:06 < aestetix_> Which is impersonation.
03:06 < aestetix_> Which, if you break down the word.... im-persona.... basically stepping into someone else's persona
03:06 < RangerZ1> yes, and is what I see, the biggest draw back of 4chan and other , real, anon boards... is that you can't prevent impersonation
03:07 < aestetix_> But you also can't prove that someone posted something.
03:07 < aestetix_> I mean, if I make a post and claim to be Tom Cruise, that would have as much weight as if Tom Cruise himself posted it. Which is to say, none at all.
03:07 < aestetix_> The term I think you're looking for is linkability. Who is it that the account can be linked to?
03:08 < RangerZ1> perhaps anon 'signed' SSL posting, where you could easily keep or throw away the new key....
03:08 < RangerZ1> hmm.... thats actually an intersting idea
03:08 < aestetix_> Then you fall back into the whole web of trust problem. It's the same issue as with PGP signing.
03:08 < RangerZ1> no
03:09 < RangerZ1> you just put your public key in with the post
03:09 < RangerZ1> you never 'sign' anyone's key
03:09 < RangerZ1> and you assume that within a certain time period, only someone who has the private key can link to that post
03:09 < aestetix_> Oh, I see what you're saying. Basically sign a forum post in the same way that you sign an email?
03:09 < RangerZ1> yeah
03:10 < RangerZ1> no CA
03:10 < RangerZ1> and if you have good software, each post could be a new key
03:10 < aestetix_> A new key?
03:10 < RangerZ1> if you don't want tracked (well... easily)
03:10 < RangerZ1> yeah
03:10 < RangerZ1> RSA key generation is quick
03:10 < aestetix_> What would be *really* cool
03:10 < aestetix_> PFS for forum posts
03:11 < RangerZ1> actually... I'll use that for my sample app contract
03:11 < RangerZ1> working on the code-generator again
03:11 < aestetix_> Hmm. I'll have to think about that. Because that could solve a lot of issues such as "my facebook got hacked"
03:11 < RangerZ1> thats a much better idea than the BS that i've been using right now "table1" "table2" "field1"
03:12 < RangerZ1> maybe
03:12 < aestetix_> Although then you have to be using a client that can parse the signing
03:12 < aestetix_> And that assumes the system that has your signing key is not compromised.
03:12 < RangerZ1> thats easy, just a plugin for FF
03:12 < RangerZ1> key signing is actually easy to get right
03:12 < RangerZ1> thats a well known public thing
03:13 < RangerZ1> key 'generation' is still tricky
03:13 < aestetix_> Right.
03:13 < RangerZ1> i've _written_ a key signer
03:13 < aestetix_> Isn't it basically a hash of sorts?
03:13 < aestetix_> I can't remember exactly
03:13 < RangerZ1> it only did a simple version of RSA, that was a toy example... able to be done in 2 weeks as an assignment
03:14 < RangerZ1> "sorta", but yah
03:14 < aestetix_> Creating a hash of the message using your private key
03:14 < RangerZ1> if lastpass, can make chrome/FF plugins, then you could do it for this too for browsers
03:15 < aestetix_> What might also be interesting
03:15 < aestetix_> Have the DMV set up an API, where you can send a hash of a DL with a piece of information, such as a DOB
03:15 < aestetix_> And verify that the DOB is correct without revealing the DL to the website
03:15 < RangerZ1> I actually know the owner of the company that runs the Ohio DMV site
03:15 < aestetix_> I should ask my friend Kaliya if that exists.
03:15 < RangerZ1> "yay for outsourcing"
03:16  * RangerZ1 twirls fingers
03:16 < RangerZ1> it doesn't
03:16 < RangerZ1> DL info is either 1) not public 2) hard to get
03:16 < RangerZ1> unless you are rattle
03:16 < RangerZ1> lol
03:16 < aestetix_> lol
03:16 < aestetix_> I'll have to think about that.
03:17 < RangerZ1> or any of the other 1000+ companies that have tie-into-DB-access to DMVs
03:17 < aestetix_> But I like the idea of something like.... a card reader that can read your DL and create a hash of it.
03:17 < RangerZ1> Ohio DL already has that sorta
03:17 < RangerZ1> it has 2D barcode on back
03:17 < RangerZ1> and it is a unique ID #
03:17 < aestetix_> Although that could get complicated because the DMV might track how many times a particular hash is requested.
03:18 < RangerZ1> you could actually get fancy
03:18 < RangerZ1> and have the DL signed by the DMV's private key
03:18 < RangerZ1> or one of many... b/c of security issues
03:18 < RangerZ1> then just keep the public keys for the time validity of the DLs
03:19 < aestetix_> I need to think some more about that..... I'm wondering if you could do blind signing or whatever its called with it
03:19 < aestetix_> David Chaum wrote a paper on this that became the basis for bitcoin
03:19 < RangerZ1> yeah
03:19 < aestetix_> But it would certainly be better than a fucking database with images of drivers licenses
03:19 < RangerZ1> I dunno, I haven't really looked into how that works
03:20 < RangerZ1> yes you can
03:20 < RangerZ1> there is a Blind RSA signature
03:21 < RangerZ1> but looks to have some possible dangers
03:21 < RangerZ1> but that would probably be alright in the DMV idea
03:23 < aestetix_> What I'm interested in now
03:23 < aestetix_> Is whether I can take a signed hash, and verify that a given plaintext is within the hash
03:23 < RangerZ1> no
03:24 < aestetix_> Well I don't know
03:24 < RangerZ1> I'm telling you, it can't work
03:24 < RangerZ1> b/c of the nature of hashing
03:24 < aestetix_> well yeah I know that :p
03:25 < aestetix_> If there is a way to take PII, sign it, encrypt it, and still verify some given parameter
03:25 < RangerZ1> thats different
03:25 < RangerZ1> yes
03:25 < RangerZ1> but I don't know the order
03:25 < RangerZ1> hold on
03:26 < RangerZ1> http://infolab.stanford.edu/~dilys/dbprivacy/dilys/privacy_preserving_data_mining.pdf
03:26 < RangerZ1> so there is this
03:26 < RangerZ1> where you can do data mining on "encrypted" data
03:27 < RangerZ1> the thing is... I don't really know if thats what you want
03:27 < RangerZ1> hmm let me think...
03:30 < RangerZ1> so feiestel ciphers would be out, and thats most of your block cyphers... and AES 'maybe' ... but if you figure that out... you've broken AES fundatmentally, but mathematically it should be possible
03:30 < aestetix_> hahahaha
03:30 < RangerZ1> also AES sucks from a long term security aspect
03:30 < RangerZ1> if you didn't know
03:30 < aestetix_> yes
03:31 < RangerZ1> 3xDES is better sadly
03:31 < aestetix_> Hmm. the more I think about it, the more I don't think it would work.
03:31 < RangerZ1> so whats the goal
03:32 < aestetix_> I'll look at that paper though
03:32 < RangerZ1> what are you thinking now? the DL thing still
03:32 < aestetix_> yeah
03:32 < RangerZ1> now here is the question
03:32 < RangerZ1> do ou not want DOB being human readable on the DL
03:32 < RangerZ1> or do you want it to be digitally signed
03:32 < RangerZ1> b/c those are two different things
03:33 < RangerZ1> or is your worry more the backend server DB?
03:34 < aestetix_> Here is what I'm looking to do
03:34 < aestetix_> I have a website that needs to do some kind of verification.
03:34 < aestetix_> Let's say it needs to verify I am over 13 (Facebook)
03:34 < aestetix_> How can I accomplish this while not revealing anything else to them.
03:36 < RangerZ1> thats easy , just have the signature of the DMV saying your name/DOB is correct, but the thing is you'll have to give 'more' than just DOB
03:36 < RangerZ1> b/c if it is just DOB, you could find someone else with the DOB you want, and just say that is your signature
03:37 < RangerZ1> though it could just as easily be a unique ID #
03:37 < RangerZ1> your DL already has one
03:38 < aestetix_> The question is whether uniqueness matters to them, or linkability is enough.
03:38 < RangerZ1> no, thats not what I mean
03:39 < RangerZ1> the 'uniqueness' is only there to help prevent what is basically... "replay attack"
03:39 < aestetix_> yeah
03:39 < RangerZ1> without some additional info... just send the signature of (anyone born the day you want to say) , and 'ding' its valid
03:40 < RangerZ1> b/c "##/##/####" is not unique enough to even be close, lol
03:41 < RangerZ1> hmm.... basically you have a great way to verify that DLs aren't fake... but not a good way to give only partial info
03:41 < RangerZ1> unless your DL has a signature for each combo of info that you want to give
03:41 < RangerZ1> which would require smart chip
03:42 < RangerZ1> and not just a 2d Barcode on back, etc
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06:50 <@Dagmar> Damnit I thought Warehouse 13 was cancelled for good
06:51 <@Bahhumbug> Wasn't it?
06:51 <@Bahhumbug> I thought that partial season was the end.
06:52 <@Dagmar> AAPPARENTLY there was a fifth season that started in April of this year
06:52 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, that was the partial last / wrap up season I thought.
06:52 <@Dagmar> I never knew aobut it until I just now stumbled across it on Syfy's site
06:52  * Bahhumbug nods
06:52 <@Bahhumbug> I didn't bother watching it.
06:53 <@Bahhumbug> I think my wife still has 'em all sitting on her box.
06:57 <@Dagmar> ...and because they're trying *so* hard to keep me as a cusstomer, Netflix still only has seasons 1-3.
06:58 <@Dagmar> Hopefully I did not miss season 4 as well
06:59 <@Dagmar> OKay.  I see that I did not.
07:02 <@Dagmar> Oh holy shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrGV7zKEdtU
07:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Why A Dead Alkaline Battery Bounces! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
07:10 <@Bahhumbug> Interesting.
07:11 <@Dagmar> I totally never knew
07:15  * Bahhumbug nods
07:15 <@Bahhumbug> Sending that to my wife, I think she'll enjoy that as well.
07:34 < aestetix_> so
07:35 < aestetix_> any tips on a site where I can torrent software?
07:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:36 <@Dolemite> aestetix_: fbi.gov
07:36 < aestetix_> hahah
07:36 < aestetix_> wasn't sure if there was a new oink
07:40 <@Dagmar> I just buy the shit
07:40 <@Dolemite> If it's worth spending your time to use/play it, it's worth buying.  Typically.
07:41 <@Dagmar> More directly, if it's not worth paying for, it's _not worth using_
07:41 < aestetix_> If you have a spare $30,000 let me know :)
07:42 <@Dagmar> Okay so the software you're looking for is *really* shitty then
07:42 <@Dolemite> $30,000 would be software for enterprise use.  Surely you're not stupid enough to deploy pirated software in your enterprise.
07:43 < aestetix_> haha
07:55 < aestetix_> Dolemite: yeah, really shitty.
07:55 < aestetix_> er, Dagmar
07:56 < aestetix_> And no, it was to test something out.
08:03 <@Dolemite> Oh, my.  Looking back at the midnight-ish drama.
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08:45 <@CRasH180> Well, adding that driver to the disk let it recognize the network card. Now, I need to have access to the hard drive. It is not being detected by VMware. Time to start researching more
08:47 <@Dolemite> What kind of system are you trying to install VMware on?
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09:09 < aestetix_> Dolemite: did I read correctly that Corydon emoquit?
09:10 <@Dolemite> It appears so
09:10 <@Dolemite> screw you guys, I'm going home
09:10 <@Dolemite> </cartmanvoice>
09:16 <@ignotus-sdf> Wow. I missed that memo.
09:23 <@Dolemite> Apparently Dru didn't listen when I told him that the SE 2600 community felt abandoned and ostracized in the current iteration of PhreakNIC; and that it would be a big mistake to ignore the core that has consistently supported the conference.  All that we wanted was for information to flow, rather than being left in the dark.
09:36 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: I have that last season if you want it
09:37 <@Wilpig_> you're gonna hate it though.  it felt rushed and the final episode just left you thinking "that was it? wtf?!"
09:40 <@Dagmar> I'm watching it now
09:48 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: jason and I were talking last night and came to the conclusion that I have to goto Disneyland when I go out to cali next month.
09:48 <@Wilpig_> http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2014/08/26/review-fiesta-chili-cheese-and-macaroni-and-cheese-bread-cones-at-fantasmic-concessions-in-disneys-hollywood-studios/  this must be tried
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10:05 <@Dagmar> Whao.  A Hunter Thompson artifact?
10:05 <@Dagmar> Don't spoil!
10:05 <@Dagmar> If I'm wrong I'll live with it
10:06 <@Dolemite> Disney actually has some pretty good food in places, especially the character dining experiences
10:06 <@Dolemite> I think you need to do the princess tea in Cindarella's Castle when you go
10:08 <@Wilpig_> pretty sure i'll pass on that
10:08 <@Wilpig_> a breadcone filled with chili and cheese with some fritos sounds fuckin' amazing though
10:09 <@Dolemite> yeah it does
10:09 <@Dolemite> and macaroni
10:09 <@Wilpig_> the macaroni and bacon sounds tasty but not with the bread or chips.
10:09 <@Dolemite> Of course, Epcot has the best variety of theme park food because it has the different country exhibits
10:10 <@Dolemite> Granted it's not 'authentic' but it's better than another corn dog
10:10 <@Wilpig_> i'm not going to florida though
10:10 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I nkow
10:11 <@Dolemite> you're going to the Drought Coast
10:11 <@Dagmar> Just think... in a couple more years, derelict skyscrapers, perpetual dust storms, and cannibalistic mutants
10:12 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Gets you all excited just thinking about it, I see
10:12 <@Wilpig_> and out of teh ashes will arise... snake plissken
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10:26 <@Dagmar> Just trying to get aestetix motivated
10:27 <@Dagmar> We've already got all that here
10:27 <@Dagmar> ...except for the dust storms
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10:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> so what new drama did I miss when driving into work today?
10:56 <@Wilpig_> you hit on dagmar, we all had a good laugh
11:00 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING!
11:01  * Wilpig_ sprays shapr with a hose
11:01 <@shapr> mmm, I needed a shower.
11:02  * Dolemite starts up the golden shower for shapr
11:03 <@shapr> ew
11:08 <@Wilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fm4gmdjcop2png/1409929509353.jpg?dl=0
11:33 <@Wilpig_> anyone heard or seen anything on this movie "Innocence"?
11:33 <@Wilpig_> http://www.fandango.com/innocence2014_175204/movieoverview
11:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Innocence (2014) | Fandango (at www.fandango.com)
11:36 <@Dolemite> No, but it sounds like your kind of movie
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12:08 <@Wilpig_> "neteng made a configuration change in the middle of the day, and it triggered a bug, and yeah it shutdown our shit"  explanation from neteng about the outage
12:11 <@Dagmar> So... the question is, how much shit did it shut down
12:12 <@Wilpig_> the entire site
12:13 <@Wilpig_> two specific key pieces of equipment and it broke the bgp registrations
12:13 <@Wilpig_> they're discussing the attack we took earlier this week.  50GB of sustained traffic
12:14 <@Wilpig_> he's attempting to explain a syn flood and failing
12:22 <@Dagmar> Oof
12:22 <@Wilpig_> the net neutrality campaign we're launching is good
12:22 <@Wilpig_> I approve
12:22 <@Dagmar> Can they perhaps not make any changes to that equipment during peak hours or would that be a crippling handicap?
12:23 <@Wilpig_> through js and css they're gonna be adding loading images over pretty much every element of the site to simulate what could happen
12:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've heard about hte loading spinners that will be going up
12:23 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: there is a slight fight between the dc and neteng right now where my boss cut the dc hours down to 8a-8p
12:24 <@Wilpig_> and told neteng that they needed to be better about filing changes and working with us to get shit done instead of doing it last minute
12:24 <@Wilpig_> so they decided they'd just do shit during business hours instead of maintenance window hours as a fuck you,  well it bit them
12:25 <@Dagmar> Ooof
12:25 <@Dagmar> Yeah, someone's going to get in trouble for that then.
12:26 <@Wilpig_> haha "jb told people to email me about a hackday.  so... to get them to stop, i've planned a hackday"
12:27 <@ignotus-sdf> My fun is working with a customer that had pre-PHP5.0 code that was deprecated in 5.3 and removed in 5.4. The RHEL update last night that was administered killed the code for the websites. w00t.
12:27 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: you won't get them to admit that's what's going on but to anyone with their eyes open it's pretty clear
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12:28 <@Wilpig_> http://fyeahcooldormrooms.com/post/96129883262/loyola-university-chicago-mertz-hall
12:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fuck Yeah, Cool Dorm Rooms | Loyola University Chicago, Mertz Hall (at fyeahcooldormrooms.com)
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12:30 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: hi!
12:31 <@klixa-cloud> hey shapr !
12:31 <@shapr> How's life treating you?
12:32 <@klixa-cloud> life is good mostly; how about you
12:32 <@Wilpig_> SPY!
12:32  * Wilpig_ points at klixa-cloud 
12:32 <@klixa-cloud> it's cold and rainy today and I'm about to get a pumpkin spice latte
12:32 <@klixa-cloud> spy?
12:33 <@Wilpig_> they are talking about the pumpkin spice latte thing with starbucks and tumblr right now
12:33 <@Wilpig_> you're clearly spying on me
12:33 <@klixa-cloud> haha
12:35 <@Wilpig_> http://therealpsl.tumblr.com/
12:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pumpkin Spice Latte from Starbucks Coffee Company (at therealpsl.tumblr.com)
12:35 <@klixa-cloud> speaking of spying I got one if those copyright violation notice thingies
12:35 <@Dagmar> eh?  From who?
12:35 <@Wilpig_> burgerking is now selling something called "chicken fries"
12:36 <@Wilpig_> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
12:37 <@Wilpig_> they demo'd the strip club on the first floor of the NY office
12:37 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: century link is the ISP; dunno where original complaint is from they didn't say
12:37 <@klixa-cloud> I have a VPN now and am testing out Usenet
12:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah but what kind of complaint for what?
12:38 <@klixa-cloud> Wilpig_: that link didn't get me a free latte :( I thought it would ... it just unlocks it but all the stores here sell it already
12:38 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: it just said "we received a notice of copyright violation"
12:38 <@Wilpig_> wow.  installinga  226" projection screen
12:39 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: Are they asking you to do anything/
12:39 <@klixa-cloud> it was in the form of a captive portal and I just clicked something saying I saw the notice and that I won't violate  copyright then it restored connection
12:39 <@Dagmar> So this is apparently unrelated to any actual piracy?
12:40 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: life is here, ups and downs. I was on a panel at DragonCon this past weekend! Panel was about electronics in costuming, and I talked about neopixels.
12:40 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: well I torrented a bunch if stuff ... um but "copyright violation" is the wording they used
12:40 <@klixa-cloud> of*
12:40 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: Because honestly, if they're going to be in the habit of making accusations without any kind of detail, I'd send them a registered letter saying "No, you're a copyright violation." and nothing else
12:41 <@Dagmar> WEll, turn on the encryptions
12:41 <@Dagmar> Granted, I torrent maybe a dozen things a year, probably less, but I leave the encryption options enabled
12:41 <@klixa-cloud> I have a VPN now and also a usenet with ssl account
12:42 <@Wilpig_> they're trying to get showers added to our first floor. wha?
12:42 <@eryc> datacentershowerorgies.tumblr.com
12:42 <@Wilpig_> lol
12:42 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: Seriously, fuck them if they're going to actively snoop on your connection
12:43 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: You know anyone capable of making 10x14 plastic signs?
12:43 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Shower shows, man
12:44 <@Wilpig_> "in the stairwell there used to be a velvet keyhole where a dancer would previously be in.  it was only 3' high so you can imagine what type of dancing was going on"
12:44 <@Wilpig_> HAHAHAHAHA
12:44 <@Dagmar> Midget dancing?
12:44 <@Wilpig_> that's my guess
12:44 <@Dagmar> Perhaps stripper fairies?
12:45 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: no, but I can ask some Nashville people.
12:45 <@Dagmar> klixa-cloud: What, are you back in NAshville, now?
12:46 <@klixa-cloud> Dagmar: no but all my friends and family are
12:46 <@klixa-cloud> I'm in Nebraska
12:46 <@Dagmar> I'm possibly going to be visiting a couple of places in person this week to see who might be up for it
12:46 <@Dagmar> I'll privmsg you something
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12:47 <@Wilpig_> wow.  http://totallyamelia.tumblr.com/
12:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Totally Amelia (at totallyamelia.tumblr.com)
12:47 <@Wilpig_> so our new core php engineer.  the voice...
12:49 <@Dagmar> I'm already annoyed just looking at the page
12:50 <@Wilpig_> they announced a girl's name and then the voice.  I immediately got a message from one fo the dc guys going "ummmmm"
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12:51 <@Dagmar> Don't express confusion, you'll just set her off
12:51 <@Wilpig_> it feels like staring at a clone of polerin
12:51 <@Dagmar> The Sep 03 comic says to me, "This is not a reasonable person"
12:52 <@Dagmar> "A reasonable person would realize that many, many people use the pronoun "man" as a part of speech that is genderless."
12:52 <@Wilpig_> yeah no shit
12:52 <@Wilpig_> this is a person I must avoid at all costs
12:53 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: lol... http://33.media.tumblr.com/62e2a4a0fc82f417495150d867447aad/tumblr_naw8egB62c1rasnq9o1_500.jpg
12:54 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: So which area do you live in?
12:54 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: haha "pretty much alabama".   lemme see where my spot is
12:55 <@Wilpig_> you can barely make it out but "drunk rutgers students"
12:56 <@Mirage> ah, you're not too far from "Where they filmed clerks", cool..=)
12:56 <@Wilpig_> yeah i'm pretty close to there
12:57 <@Wilpig_> If jason had been able to make it up here for five finger death punch, we were gonna make a pilgrimage over to kevin smith's comic shop
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13:11 <@klixa-cloud> "trans as fuck"
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13:26 <@Dagmar> Jesus
13:26 <@Dagmar> Look at the bullshit in the comments on the original article http://transcomic.the-comic.org/comics/13
13:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: TransComic :: 5/23/13 (at transcomic.the-comic.org)
13:27 <@Dagmar> So, tha author recognizes that people use the term 'man' in a gender-neutral capacity, but prefers to be pissed off about it anyway
13:27 <@Dagmar> Also... "putting effort not to be one gender, its polite not to say something to refer to that gender" aren't these usually the same motherfuckers claiming there are more than just two genders?
13:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: was your pre-php5.0 code customer phreaknic?
13:32 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: there is only one valid response to shit like that and here it is.  http://www.myteespot.com/images/Images_d/img_35TYsC.jpg
13:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> so when I worked at suncoast, I would introduce myself with the _exact_ same phrases all the time
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> "he/igh ya guys doing today"... "good, good"..."is there anything I can help you find today"
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> didn't matter if male, female
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> just imagine saying that shit now... and the backlash
13:34 <@Wilpig_> ... http://transcomic.the-comic.org/comics/16
13:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: TransComic :: 8/31/14 (at transcomic.the-comic.org)
13:34 <@Wilpig_> okay I can't look at this again.  ever.  wtf is wrong with these fucks?
13:35 <@Wilpig_> why have we not eliminated this problem from society by utilitizing a large pit and a back hoe?
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> huh?
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> what... trans?
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> there are plenty of them here at vandy
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> employees, students
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> NOC employees, and especially former ones
13:37 <@Wilpig_> I have no problem with someone if they want to flip their gender but at the point at which they start denying there are just two and start inventing shit.  they should be buried alive
13:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean... just look at notlarry, he can't tell what nationality he is most of the time, let alone gender... or if he is even a larry or not
13:37 <@Wilpig_> @RobDenBleyker: IMO you should be able to order death on Amazon, where the UPS driver just runs you over.
13:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:38 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I had a femanist man-hater college professor that took _GREAT_ exception to using "man" in reference to "mankind".   Somehow a photocopied copy of the complete definition of "man" from the Oxford unabridged dictionary and highlighting all references for man to "mankind" and not "men" wound up on her desk.
13:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> Honestly, I don't care about trans people, the super-uber-gay guy who is ditzy... is the group of people for me who have to die
13:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> mainly b/c my one cousin is one... and has ruined that group for .... welll.... most of NEO ohio
13:40 <@Mirage> Dagmar: After a general discussion in class about it and several threats from people in the class to bring the issue of being marked down for using "man" appropriately to the Dept head, our grades were re-evaluated.   This was on a midterm
13:42 <@ignotus-sdf> RangerZ|Laptop: Nope. Sure wasn't!
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14:49 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I now own a pretty old RCA handheld video camera
14:50 <@Dagmar> Forty bucks
14:51 <@Dagmar> Tonight I'll do some testing under crappy lighting conditions
15:05 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: TRANS AM AS FUCK
15:09 < aestetix_> oh god
15:09 < aestetix_> the pseudonym discussion just came up again in IDESG
15:09 <@Dagmar> shapr:  LOL
15:10 <@Dagmar> shapr: You should do some meme images to circulate on the Facebooks
15:10  * shapr sings "white trash unicorn" from the band Sass On 3
15:11 <@shapr> "white trash unicorn, sitting in a t-bird, waiting outside the club. cotton-candy lipgloss, rearview mirror she can see him coming up the walk"
15:12 <@shapr> "prom queen stole her man, quarterback golden tan ..."
15:12 <@shapr> this is a great song
15:14  * Bahhumbug burps
15:16 <@Bahhumbug> ... "gender fluid" ...
15:16 <@Bahhumbug> What the ...
15:21 < frsilent> idk if you guys have all seen it already....but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw gave me a good laugh
15:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: David Starkey vs. Laurie Penny - full video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:25 <@Dagmar> What's she wittering on about?
15:26 < aestetix_> aaand I just launched a little fireball at them
15:27 < aestetix_> http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/privacy_sc_idecosystem.org/2014-September/001192.html
15:27 < aestetix_> that should be fun
15:31 < aestetix_> oh jesus
15:31 < aestetix_> I've met Laurie a few times. She's really nice, although rather naive.
15:32 <@Dagmar> She's cute, but none of that exchange made any sense to me
15:32 < aestetix_> Oh *that* video
15:33 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure you've made a sufficiently clear case for calling 'aestetix' an 'autonym'
15:34 < aestetix_> Well, feel free to reply to it. :)
15:34 <@Dagmar> I'm saying this not there so I don't have to make you look like a git on the list
15:35 < aestetix_> oh heh ok
15:35 <@Dagmar> "mankind" is an autonym
15:35 <@Dagmar> "humans" is an autonym
15:35 <@Dagmar> "Americans", also an autonym.
15:35 < aestetix_> How are those autonyms?
15:35 <@Dagmar> Dictionaries
15:36 <@Dagmar> Deutsche is the autonym of the people known in English as "Germans"
15:36 <@Dagmar> Just type the word into Google
15:36 < aestetix_> So you don't think someone can create an autonym for themselves?
15:36 <@Dagmar> It's a word that a people or group uses to refer to oneself/theirselves
15:36 <@Dagmar> It's not a name you granted yourself.
15:37 < aestetix_> What do you mean by "grant"?
15:37 <@Dagmar> Considering that the third case in Wiktionary is "The true name of a person or other entity, especially an author." you should probably be looking for some other term
15:38 <@Dagmar> You're not likely to find one that's short or compact because it's a relatively new concept
15:38 < aestetix_> Given that I argue against there being a "true" name :)
15:38 <@Dagmar> I keep thinking up such monstrosities as "notional name" or "opportunyn"
15:38 <@Dagmar> er "opportunym"
15:39 < aestetix_> haha
15:39 < aestetix_> One I saw that I really liked
15:39 < aestetix_> "theonym" for referring to a name of god
15:42 <@Dagmar> lol http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/RCA-CC6364-VHS-C-Camcorder/62998/product.html
15:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: RCA CC6364 VHS-C Camcorder | Overstock Shopping - Great Deals on RCA Digital Camcorders (at www.overstock.com)
15:42 <@Dagmar> I bought this for $41
15:42 <@Dagmar> Mainly because of all the other cameras, this was the one with a very obvious pair of yellow and white RCA connectors on it
15:43 <@Dagmar> Seems to be in stellar shape
15:43 < aestetix_> Dagmar: here's a good example. The Pfitzman paper is one of the leading authorities on terms like linkability and observability, and yet I take issue with their entire structure of thinking.
15:44 < aestetix_> Just because a definition is "established" doesn't mean you can't ask questions about it and create definitions which work better for you, provided that you have solid reasons for them.
15:44 <@Dagmar> Provided you make it clear that you are using an "operational definition" within the scope of the presentation, sure
15:44 < aestetix_> right
15:44 <@Dagmar> Otherwise you're just muddying the waters
15:45 < aestetix_> Well, the way I see it, saying "I define this as" and adding a clarifying definition can help the discussion to improve the existing definition.
15:45 <@Dagmar> ...but when you called that an 'autonym' you took a very minor aspect of the semantics and made it into the major semantic aspect
15:45 <@Dagmar> That's more than a small stretch.
15:45 <@Dagmar> I think we've got to keep hunting words
15:46 <@Dagmar> I can't help but think I'm going to wind up having to fucking read Plato and Aristotle for hints
15:46 < aestetix_> I thought I made it really clear. A pseudonym has two names, an autonym only one.
15:46 < aestetix_> hahaha
15:46 <@Dagmar> A psuedonym doesn't necessarily have two names.
15:46 < aestetix_> Well if it's any consolation, that's what I've been doing lately.
15:46 < aestetix_> How so?
15:46 <@Dagmar> "Cher".
15:46 < aestetix_> Oh, let me rephrase.
15:47 < aestetix_> A pseudonym is analogous to a mask.
15:47 <@Dagmar> There's the trap.
15:47 <@Dagmar> That right there.
15:47 <@Dagmar> It's not a mask.
15:47 < aestetix_> Well, the two name construct you put out I call a polynym
15:47 <@Dagmar> It's often _used_ as a mask, but it's not necessarily a mask.
15:47 < aestetix_> Agreed.
15:48 <@Dagmar> I think we're better off attacking the problem of explaining by pointing out that people use names of limited scope _all the time_
15:48 < aestetix_> Hmm.
15:48 <@Dagmar> They just don't think about it, and I've found that by adulthood most people have developed a pretty serious blind spot for it.
15:48 <@Dagmar> You called your mother "Mom", right?
15:49 < aestetix_> Dagmar: indeed. And I didn't really have that option.
15:49 < aestetix_> Actually the bit about "mom" that's a nickname, which I'd say is different.
15:49 < aestetix_> Although that gets tricky. I had friends growing up who called their mom by their first name.
15:49 < aestetix_> I guess you could argue that's a title, like "mr. president"
15:50 <@Dagmar> Title.
15:50 <@Dagmar> A nickname has a semantic value involving familiarity
15:50 <@Dagmar> It's possible that semantic familiarity is an axis I need to take into consideration
15:50 < aestetix_> Although if "mom" or "mother" are different forms of the same thing, which is the "true" one?
15:51 <@Dagmar> When people have *no* familiarity, they seem to be very averse to the use of nicknames.
15:51 < aestetix_> This is true.
15:51 <@Dagmar> Except this would appear to be false reassurance for something I can't quite put my finger on
15:52 < aestetix_> I guess it's worth asking whether Homer demanded government issued ID to verify that Ulysses was the guy's name :p
15:54 <@Dagmar> Actually, probably so
15:55 <@Bahhumbug> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/09/03/164225/akamai-warns-linux-systems-infiltrated-and-controlled-in-a-ddos-botnet
15:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Akamai Warns: Linux Systems Infiltrated and Controlled In a DDoS Botnet - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
15:56 < aestetix_> awww Corydon seems to have emoquit
15:56 < aestetix_> So I can't ask any more questions
15:56 <@Bahhumbug> What a shame.  On both counts.
15:58 < aestetix_> How the fuck did we just lose another airplane
16:00 <@Dagmar> He didn't emoquit.  He's proabbly just netsplit
16:00 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Lack of pressurization
16:01 <@Dagmar> ...or possibly just heart failure.
16:01 <@Dagmar> Maverick was apparently following the situation via various aviation channels
16:01 <@Dagmar> Also, tiny fucking plane
16:01 <@Dagmar> We didn't exactly "lose" it.  It stopped responding
16:02 <@Dagmar> Military jets closed on it, but it basically just flew in a straight line
16:02 <@Dagmar> Pilots reported that as the plane came down in altitude they saw the pilot breathing but still slumped over the controls
16:02 <@Dagmar> ...and you know how military pilots are.  They probably got within a very small number of feet of that thing to peer in the window
16:03 <@Dagmar> The thing eventally crashed in Jamaica so technically we know precisely where it is
16:03 < aestetix_> 05:45 <@Corydon76-home> Fuck it.  Dru doesn't want anybody communicating in here with this crowd, so I'm off.
16:03 <@Dagmar> ...although "precisely" isn't a very good word for something that's probably no longer in one piece.
16:04 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Ah... glad you pasted that.  It scrolled off my buffer
16:04 <@Dagmar> I'll add it to my list of things to bitch about
16:04 <@Dagmar> In fact, I intend to demand an explanation.
16:05 <@Dagmar> One that is *not* based in crazy-ass hand-wavy statements.
16:05 < aestetix_> I just discovered a new type of porn
16:05 <@Dagmar> ...because if he's _really_ taking the stance that no one involved with PN should talk to the people in here, I'm out.
16:05 < aestetix_> EFRO, it's called. Erotic Female Relief Observation.
16:05 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't mean out of here.
16:06 <@Dagmar> Dru can explain why he's personally driving wedges between people.
16:07 <@Dagmar> ...and, most importantly, what he hopes to *accomplish* by doing so.
16:07 <@Dagmar> If he's wanting to cut down on the drama, he should stop listening to Amber.
16:07 <@Dagmar> That would cut down on drama pretty well.
16:08 <@Dagmar> It's two months away, and at the moment we have no reason to believe anything is confirmed or organized beyond a basic Drupal site
16:08 <@Dagmar> ...and bitching at the people who are bringing this to attention is *not* the way to fix it.
16:09 <@Dagmar> It's not like what we discuss in here somehow prevents him from publishing any details
16:10 <@Dagmar> i'm not about to let him to try to fly some lunatic argument blaming lack of presentable results on "drama and gossip"
16:14 <@Dagmar> Actually, fuck it.
16:19 < aestetix_> oh btw Dagmar you saw my entry for dumbest startup ever right?
16:19 < aestetix_> http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/04/you-can-stand-under-my-umbrella-here/
16:20 <@Dagmar> I'll start the shitstorm right fucking now so no one can complain they were "ambushed".
16:21 <@Dagmar> This actually really pisses me off
16:22 <@Dagmar> PN isn't a fucking one-man show, and hasnt been for over a decade
16:22 <@Dagmar> ...and all I'm seeing is the same old bullshit that generally leads to meltdowns and more importantly, *dismal failure*
16:23 <@Dagmar> Keeping everyone in the dark is *not* going to accomplish a fucking thing.
16:23 <@Dagmar> All it's going to mean is that *I* won't even bother to show p
16:23 <@Dagmar> My liability thus far is $42 and some free time.
16:23 <@Dagmar> I can walk away and not give ai single fuck
16:24 <@Shadow404> drama?
16:24 <@Shadow404> do share
16:24 <@Dagmar> ...other than I *will* be pissed that someone managed to fuck up something that would normally be able to run on auto-pilot, because they let paranoia and gossip keep them distracted.
16:24 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: You see what aestetix pasted that Corydon posted waaaay early this morning, right?
16:25 <@Shadow404> on irc, no
16:25 <@Dagmar> 05:45 <@Corydon76-home> Fuck it.  Dru doesn't want anybody
16:25 <@Dagmar>             communicating in here with this crowd, so I'm off.
16:25 <@Dagmar> I'm just flat out going to _demand_ a full accounting for that
16:25 <@Shadow404> what? irc is bad now?
16:26 <@Dagmar> ...because "this crowd" are the fucking people who show up for the goddamn thing.
16:26 <@Shadow404> heh
16:26 < aestetix_> Shadow404: how's the butt?
16:26 <@Shadow404> ask your mom
16:26 <@shapr> mine is sexy
16:26 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr
16:26  * shapr shakes his sexy butt
16:27 <@shapr> klixa-cloud: what do you think? Is my butt sexy?
16:27  * shapr hugs Shadow404
16:27 <@Dagmar> I let the first round of "don't talk to those people in IRC" slide because I figured it would pass
16:27 <@shapr> Hey, I'm not that bad :-(
16:27 <@Dagmar> Since it's not passing, I'm planting my motherfucking feet and warming up my slapping hand
16:28  * aestetix_ takes Dagmar's coffee away
16:28 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Dude, no.  At this rate we'll be lucky if we have 100 people show up
16:28 <@Dagmar> The shit that *should* be getting done, *isn't* getting done
16:29 <@Dagmar> ...and the people that *should* be doing it are alternatingly claiming that it's already done, and/or that they don't have any time left to do them.
16:29 <@Dagmar> This would *normally* be a warning sign that some delegation is needed.
16:29 <@Shadow404> pn is dying
16:30 <@Dagmar> ...but no delegation can take place since a certain someone has been swearing up and down that everything is already handled.
16:30 <@Shadow404> drama after drama
16:30 <@Dagmar> Yes, and I'm going to make a serious effort to burn that drama out with a blowtorch tonight.
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16:30 <@Shadow404> ware just summed it up
16:30 <@Dagmar> We are *ending* the bullshit.  Tonight.
16:31 <@Dagmar> No, ware just gibbered incoherently.
16:31 <@Shadow404> right am1n0
16:31 <@am1n0> thats actually why i joined
16:31 <@am1n0> incidentally
16:31 <@Dagmar> Because of ware?
16:31 <@Dagmar> That's a strange causal chain
16:31 <@am1n0> both of your emails
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16:31 < timoguin> errybody like wtf goin errrrrn
16:31 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure *what* information ware might be privy to considering that we never see him anywhere anymore
16:32 <@Dagmar> I do know that it appears that Dru is siloing information and generally not getting shit done
16:32 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to *not* be a dick by pointing straight at Amber, but I strongly suspect she's just continually up to mischief at the planning meetings
16:33 <@Dagmar> 05:45 <@Corydon76-home> Fuck it.  Dru doesn't want anybody communicating in here with this crowd, so I'm off.
16:33 <@Dagmar> amin0: That was this morning
16:33 <@Dagmar> amin0: I missed it because apparently it was about 15 minutes before I was up
16:33 <@am1n0> what made him say that?
16:33 < aestetix_> to be fair, the timestamp is a bit off because my server is set UTC
16:33 <@Dagmar> I'm damn well going to find the fuck out
16:34 <@am1n0> and this is all re: lack of communication with phreaknic right?
16:34 <@Dagmar> I know at one point before Dru tried to hand down some kind of crazy edict that no one officially involved with PN should discuss PN matters in this channel
16:34 <@Dagmar> ...because of "drama" and "gossip", but there's no fucking gossip here.
16:34 <@Dagmar> amin0: Yes.  ...and the lack of communication isn't a fucking figment.
16:34 <@Shadow404> btw, dru is easily swayed by women
16:35 <@Shadow404> just saying
16:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah and I'm addressing that directly tonight
16:35 <@Dagmar> I keep seeing little signs and indirect things that would indicate that most of the bullshit seems to only be happening when Amber is involved
16:35 <@Shadow404> no ones coming to pn
16:36 <@Dagmar> Like, Ben was saying that they're all worn out from this that and the other, and even mentioned Amber was worn out and she's "not an official anything"
16:36 <@Shadow404> attendance will probably be lower than any year
16:36 <@Dagmar> My first thought was "What the fuck precisely is Amber even doing otehr than stirring up shit?"
16:36 <@am1n0> where does all this go on? nashville 2600?
16:36 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Probably so but I'm rather hoping to _avoid_ that outcome
16:36 <@Shadow404> then again sky killed pn with his drama
16:37 <@Shadow404> than this
16:37 <@Dagmar> amin0: ...and apparently the planning meetings on the alternate Saturdays
16:37 <@am1n0> oh so separate from 2600 even?
16:37 <@Dagmar> amin0: OH, and apparently in Dru's car because he gives the psychobitch rides back and forth to the meetings.
16:37 <@Dagmar> THAT would be where the majority of the gossip is coming from
16:37 <@am1n0> haha
16:37 <@Shadow404> crap i just got told not to talk on irc
16:37 <@Dagmar> That's my guess anyway
16:37 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Huh?
16:38 < frsilent> does anyone still go to the lenox 2600 meeting in atlanta?
16:38 <@Shadow404> frsilent: no
16:38 <@am1n0> id go if anyone else did
16:38 < frsilent> I moved back to atlanta this past weekend
16:38 <@am1n0> but no
16:38 < frsilent> :(
16:38 <@Dagmar> Personally, I don't fucking care if we only have local speakers
16:38 <@am1n0> frsilent: yeah im annoyed; im about 10 minutes away right now
16:38 <@Shadow404> frsilent: though havent been in 5yrs
16:38 <@Dagmar> What I care about is that the "schedule" that's posted stops being empty crap
16:39 < frsilent> yeah it's been ~9 years for me
16:39 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't care that when I talked to logickal about this last weekend, even _he_ made comments about all the drama
16:39 <@Dagmar> ...to which I silently thought "again, what drama"
16:39 <@ignotus-sdf> frsilent: yes, we are going to night and will be there at 7
16:39 <@ignotus-sdf> brimstone will be there, too.
16:39 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Did someone seriously tell you to not talk on IRC?
16:39 < hobbes615> so who is Amber?
16:40 <@Dagmar> Fucking Amber Adams
16:40 <@am1n0> three whole people (!) thats the highest attendance in years!
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16:40 <@ignotus-sdf> they had 6 last month.
16:40 <@am1n0> maybe i should start going again
16:40 <@Dagmar> She's basically an SJW/fauxminist that started showing up to meetings a few months back and inveigeling herself into the community
16:40 < hobbes615> I havent been to nashville 2600 in about 5 years, but i dont remember that name
16:40 <@Dagmar> She fucking *lives* to cause strife, by all appearances
16:41 <@Dagmar> hobbes615: THat's because until she basically burned every other bridge in Nashville, she didn't have time to bother with us
16:41 <@Mirage> lol...the wife texted me a little big ago and said she was pulling down one of the ceiling fans in the house.  now she texts me with "Dropped the ceiling fan and the black wire sparked.  Is the black the ground?"
16:42 <@Dagmar> I mentioned to Opheria that Amber felt PN should have a "women's only" room so that women could "have a place to go to feel safe" and even Opheria thought it was crazy
16:42 <@am1n0> hahaha oh no
16:42 <@Dagmar> She knows if someone got handsy at PN they'd be looking at a beating or worse
16:42 <@Dagmar> Mirage: "Do you like fire?  No?  Go kill the breaker now."
16:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> Hello everyone in my loving channel
16:43 <@Dagmar> If we were to announce that there was such a room, people would be certain to decide that we did so because there was a definite need for it
16:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh sorry... wrong channel
16:43 <@am1n0> wrong channel indeed
16:43 <@Dagmar> ...and then they'd be speculating on what incidents (plural!) brought it about
16:44 <@Mirage> That fan had been connected to a rheostat/dimmer switch anyway, so I'm sure the motor was already mostly fucked.  I had intended on trying to save the light kit at least.  Probably not an option now.
16:44 <@Dagmar> The only women who should feel unsafe at PN are either paranoid-delusional, or are made of pork barbecue.
16:45 <@Dagmar> If you come to PN and you're made of barbecue, there's probably going to be some non-consensual biting.
16:45 <@Dagmar> We have a history of being very uncaring about the feelings of dinner.
16:46 <@shapr> mmm, dinner
16:46 < hobbes615> did anyone go to the nashville bsides
16:46 <@Dagmar> Nah I forgot to
16:46 <@Dagmar> Far as I know, Amber has even burned her bridges there.
16:47 < hobbes615> nice
16:47 < hobbes615> is she in infosec or whats her deal
16:47 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I suspect she works for the goddamn CIA
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16:48 <@Dagmar> She could also merely be a strictly _amateur_ troublemakrer
16:48 <@Dagmar> She's sort of knowledgeable about infosec
16:48 <@Dagmar> There's so much crazy coming out of her it's hard to tell
16:49 <@Dagmar> Before we banned her ass out of here (as 'anarchival') she mainly spent her time picking fights and starting arguments
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16:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok, I don't know what the last thing you saw was... but...
16:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> am1n0: lets just say... when you threaten to rape a con director with a broken off beer bottle.... on twitter... and then gleefully talk about it in channel....
16:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> you end up burning some birdges
16:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh, and if it matters, the director was a guy who she threatened, and that some how made it alright in her eyes
16:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> i fucking hate it when wifi dies out, and you aren't paying attention... and then shit lags out
16:52 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm sorry... y'all lost me at "pork barbeque". I'm hungry.
16:52 < frsilent> same
16:54 < timoguin> I was lost at beer bottle rape
16:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> she straight up admitted that she was blacklisted in all the other 'tech/geek' cons in the middle TN region
16:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> so thats why she's at PN
16:56 <@Dagmar> It may not be for much longer
16:56 <@Dagmar> I already have her on my "short list of issues to address" because of her behaviour at the last two meetings
16:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> then the dumb bitch had the stupidity to go off on me a few days before _I_ was to help the city and my advisor judge her ability to contribute to a local project....
16:59 <@Dagmar> damnit my zippo has run off
17:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> was it screaming "FREEDOM" ?
17:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> all william wallace style?
17:00 <@ignotus-sdf> blue facepaint was involved.
17:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> ehh, he's got NOTHING on Queen Boudicca
17:01 <@Dagmar> Dunno.  Clearly it should have taken the FBI up on their offer of protection since I found it cowardly hiding out in the pants I wore last night.
17:02 <@Dagmar> I'm off to Corner Pub for the weekly "off-site meeting" of former Vanderbilt employees
17:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> she was a tall red headed irish queen in 60 CE and sacked london after they paraded her through the city naked as a "display" of power... then she escaped
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...and unlike some people I'll only have one drink before the 2600 meeting.
17:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> refilling the same cup doesn't count as "1" drink
17:03 <@Dagmar> If you find a place that gives free refills on Bloody Marys I'd like to be let in on the secret.
17:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually.....
17:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> we'll have to go next time we're in NE Ohio
17:05 <@ignotus-sdf> And then Queen Boudica whooped that Roman ass.
17:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: pretty much
17:05 <@ignotus-sdf> I know. :)
17:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> "ohh look at that tall red head... she's not dangerous" said no Irishman ever
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17:08 <@ignotus-sdf> Welp, I'm going to be heading to Lenox soon. I'll be the one with the kilt and the HFC shirt.
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17:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: we found Wilpig_'s "partner" http://totallyamelia.tumblr.com/
17:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Totally Amelia (at totallyamelia.tumblr.com)
17:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking JJ's wireless
17:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> just told the two clerks here that they had both wifi on 11 ... i might have been talking fucking klingon
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17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> at least its not klixa-cloud's fault for the blood on the wall
17:21 <@klixa-cloud> wut
17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> nothing
17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't mind that
17:21 <@klixa-cloud> lol
17:21 <@ignotus-sdf> I wasn't aware she was a klingon.
17:21 <@ignotus-sdf> She doesn't look like a klingon.
17:21 <@klixa-cloud> k for Klingon
17:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> I swear it isn't just me practicing my statements for the police for later
17:22 <@klixa-cloud> :o
17:22 <@ignotus-sdf> I think if you ask them if you are speaking klingon, you might get beat down like one.
17:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I do love sitting at coffee shops...
17:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> I love the look of a lot of the girls that visit these kinda places often
17:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> _personality_ thats.... a lot harder
17:23 <@klixa-cloud> which look?
17:23 <@klixa-cloud> there's several types
17:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep, I enjoy most of them
17:24 <@klixa-cloud> nm I misread
17:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> the 90s skater chick i still say is among the cutest, but I pretty much hated all the girls I knew that actually looked that way, LOL
17:25 <@klixa-cloud> i looked that way ,.. in the 90's
17:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I probably would have hated you then too ;)
17:26 <@klixa-cloud> head shaved on the sides, pony tail , vans, etc tho mine was more gothy
17:26 <@klixa-cloud> nah I'm an outcast
17:26 <@klixa-cloud> I wasn't like anyone when it came to my personality
17:26 <@klixa-cloud> was rather, I can fit in now
17:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was the guy who dads introduced to their daughters
17:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> ...first g/f was actually that... lol
17:28 <@klixa-cloud> I tended to date athletes
17:28 <@klixa-cloud> coincidence
17:28 <@klixa-cloud> my first bf is a hockey player now
17:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> we were all at a concert I was donating my time doing stage hand work for... and then got drafted to help with the swing dancing number.... b/c they were short on guys... then on the part where I swung her around me and then her legs straight up into the air.... definitely left holes in the 11ft ceiling... LOL
17:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> heals... yeah...
17:30 <@klixa-cloud> you must be tall
17:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> not really 5'11"
17:31 <@klixa-cloud> k
17:33 <@klixa-cloud> I'm stilling trying to picture how she poked holes in the ceiling
17:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was 50s swing dance
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> I swung her up, and used my hips and inertia to be holding her straight up above my head upside down
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually more than 11' then
17:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> mind you ... she was a short fuck... but still 4'11" or something
17:40 <@brimstone> !seen ignotus-sdf
17:40 <@GateKeeper> brimstone: ignotus-sdf was last seen in #se2600 17 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <ignotus-sdf> I think if you ask them if you are speaking klingon, you might get beat down like one.
17:40 <@brimstone> ignotus-sdf: still on for 2600?
17:40 <@brimstone> i'm about to head that way
17:41 <@Bahhumbug> His emoragequit isn't the issue.  _THIS_ is an issue:  <@Corydon76-home> He was ready to call the US Attorney and have you arrested and the subsequent conversation.
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17:43 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking client drops quotes.
17:44 <@Bahhumbug> His emoragequit isn't the issue.  _THIS_ is an issue:  '<@Corydon76-home> He was ready to call the US Attorney and have you arrested' and the subsequent conversation.
17:44 <@Bahhumbug> And on to more pleasant news.  One of my oldest friends is in the hospital at this moment having a cat scan to try to confirm he indeed did have a stroke.
17:48 < aestetix_> oh wow what did I miss
17:48  * aestetix_ scrolls up
17:48 <@Bahhumbug> 'drama'
17:49 <@Bahhumbug> And retarded indirect threats of legal action.
17:49 <@Bahhumbug> (From someone that has a keener sense of law than I do whom should really just know better)
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17:52 <@Wilpig_> oh so much text
17:53 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: LOL on the fan.  did she break the fan when it fell as well?
17:53 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: Where are these mythical women made of bbq?  That sounds delicious
17:54 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: last night about 2am est I was told that witless leader was wanting to have me arrested for defacing a site by hitting the installer that their professional developer left open to the public
17:55 < aestetix_> That's great.
17:55 < aestetix_> Maybe I should be arrested for visiting CNN to check the news
17:55 <@Wilpig_> to which I responded with, he's known me for over a decade and knows that this shit being said about me is blatently false and I felt he shoudl be defusing the situation rather than allowing it to continue and since he isn't doing that then "fuck him"
17:56 <@Wilpig_> it's one of thsoe times where I want to point out.  "Hey corydon who helped you go get your new fridge and get it in the house when yours died?  Who came and helped me get my mattress and washer and drier into my apartement when I moved to nashville?"
17:57 <@Wilpig_> I considered him a friend for all these years but clearly, I was mistaken.
17:57 <@Wilpig_> That is very sad to me
17:57 < aestetix_> Hmmm.
17:58 < aestetix_> I wonder if he and amber would like getting this in the mail: http://www.zoofur.com/lucas-the-pony.html
17:58 <@Wilpig_> CLansy: who are you? and welcome to the thunderdome
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18:01 < CLansy> new 404er, brought to you by frsilent
18:02 <@Wilpig_> that dick?  figures. ;)
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: As much as his nonsense last night and the incident from 2 weeks ago piss me off... he's clearly stressed out and should just walk the fuck away from the organization, Dru and that fucking cunt Amber.
18:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> did he go to nsa.gov/install.php ?
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> His life would be much better.
18:02 <@Wilpig_> I agree
18:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> they won't take kindly to that
18:03 <@Wilpig_> the shit in his personal life is bad enough right now.  he needs no extra bullshit
18:03 <@Bahhumbug> Screw his integrity, he needs to leave this behind him.
18:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> whoa. *lost* somewhat... b/c of DCing
18:03 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: do you want the log?
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> sure
18:04 <@Wilpig_> Uploading (100.3KiB)...
18:04 <@Wilpig_> http://ur1.ca/i4jmc -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/131430/99546481
18:04 <@Wilpig_> done
18:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: #131430 Fedora Project Pastebin (at ur1.ca)
18:04 <@Wilpig_> you have an hour to read it
18:04 <@Bahhumbug> I came close to driving to Nashville for the meeting tonight _just_ to tell him this face to face and to apologize for any stress I may have personally caused him.  But it would not end well.
18:04 <@dasunt> FUCK I want to kill people.
18:04 <@Bahhumbug> Me too.
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh you mean last night
18:04 <@Wilpig_> watching baseketball.  I laugh how they were mocking the oilers moving to tn.  had that actually happened yet when this came out?
18:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> i was there
18:04 <@Bahhumbug> Get in line.
18:05 <@dasunt> Gawdamn assholes sending out a malware phishing attack at 4:45 on a Friday.
18:05 <@Bahhumbug> Par for the course.
18:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> dasunt: thats just fucking wrong
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18:05 <@Bahhumbug> They were off by an hour.
18:06 <@Bahhumbug> Should have made it 5:45 pm then no one would be around and they'd have a weekend to reel in the stupid.
18:06 <@dasunt> 5:45 is okay, I'm home, I can deal with the apocalypse on Monday.
18:06 <@Bahhumbug> ^ that
18:06 <@Bahhumbug> :D
18:06 <@Wilpig_> just looked.  yes it had just happened when they were in the process of making it
18:08 <@dasunt> Oh jesus, its Cryptowall.
18:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> "The consumer model Oculus Rift could sell for $200-$400 according to Oculus VR co-founder Nate Mitchell."
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18:08 <@dasunt> *sigh*
18:08 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: who emo rage quit?
18:09 <@Wilpig_> klixa: corydon
18:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm sorry... I'll be right back... have to change pants
18:09 <@klixa> and corydon is the one who threatened legal action?
18:09 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: you're still a little young to have lost bowel control
18:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: nah... I just want a fucking occulus rift that much... well... one once it work and doesn't have the screen door effect
18:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SK2bXyO-Co this might be 'in nashville' after tonight
18:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tusk - "Die In Canada" Clip - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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18:11 <@klixa> Wilpig_: who threatened to have who arrested
18:12 <@Bahhumbug> He's part of the same organization and an officer of said organization; he speaks on behalf of the organization whether he wants to or not.  I think this part escapes him.  But he is not the one that _allegedly_ issues the statement of criminal action.
18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa apparently the new-to-be-president of nashville2600 threatened to have 'us' who found the /install.php file on the PN tired by a federal prosecutor like weev
18:13 <@klixa> who is the new to be president
18:13 <@Bahhumbug> The drama from this morning irritates me because I actually have a great deal of respect for Tilghman.
18:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> dru/popeX
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> And, frankly, I expected better.
18:14 <@klixa> hmmm
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> Amber.
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> You know it's what she's gunning for.
18:14 <@klixa> dont forget ben...hes part of it too
18:14 <@klixa> well hes part of both sides
18:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> From what I've caught from comments he's made... I think Tilghman is under some new meds... or something
18:14 <@Bahhumbug> Personally I like Ben as well.  I just don't see him as wanting to be part of any drama.
18:15 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: he sides with whoever he is talking ot tho
18:15 <@klixa> to*
18:15 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: tilghman is off his meds outright, and honestly that info is his personal business and should be dropped 
18:16 <@klixa> so where was this file found? doesnt Wilpig_ own the server all their stuff is on anyay?
18:16 <@Wilpig_> klixa: ben thinks that everyone, everywhere in the world can get along and that's where he lays
18:16 <@Wilpig_> klixa: it was on the dreamhost server
18:16 <@Wilpig_> wilpig has nothing to do with it.
18:16 <@klixa> oh
18:16 <@klixa> k, then this is different than the thing i heard about
18:16 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps.  I think it's really more a question of backing away from confrontation.  But I don't know him other than in here.  He _seems_ quite reasonable.
18:17 <@klixa> hes so reasonable that hes unreasonable
18:17 <@Wilpig_> ^
18:17 <@Bahhumbug> heh
18:17 <@Wilpig_> if you're talking to him in a reasonable manner, your opinion is now his opinion.  that's the best description
18:17 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh.
18:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> ben?
18:18 <@klixa> yeah
18:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok
18:18 <@klixa> and hes absorbed the dru/amber side qute a bit
18:18 <@Wilpig_> yes
18:19 <@klixa> kinda irrittaes me, cause he was talking about amber doing sooo much good
18:19 <@Wilpig_> he wants to see the good in everyone
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Um.
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Not to stir up shit, but I ask this in all honesty...
18:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you notice, they have gone radio silence, even on the "official" comm channel, the google group
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> What good?
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> if she has actually done something constructive that's awesome.
18:20 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: I prefer to think they are talking somewhere that nobody knows about and it's filled with hundreds of people excited and ready to show up
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> Even better if it exceeds all the negative shit that she's stirred everywhere, and apparently as part of nlug now as well.
18:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell... it could be ALL OVER your datacenter
18:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> and we'd never know
18:21 <@klixa> is there even a website yet?
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.
18:21 <@Wilpig_> klixa: yes.  pathetic as it may be
18:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa... ohh 'is' there
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> But it's poorly designed and not populated.
18:21 <@klixa> link?
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> And honestly, I am wondering if my comments about it last night didn't fan the flames of all this shit.
18:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> phreaknic.info
18:21 <@Wilpig_> hey!  it's not poorly designed, it's been _professionally_ designed
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> www.phreaknic.info
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> dont click phreaknic.info/install.php you might have a federal case against you
18:22 <@klixa> Wilpig_: i spent like 20 min on the phone with ben the other day explaining some of the reasons people werent happy about dru running things, like not being able to have a pig roast... he genuinly did not know that botehred anyone
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> dont click www.phreaknic.info/install.php you might have a federal case against you
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
18:23 <@Wilpig_> everyone loved the pig roast.
18:23 <@Wilpig_> it was fun, it brought everyone together.
18:23 <@klixa> Wilpig_: yeah, i spent a long time explaining that to him...about how thats one of the issues...
18:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> of course they don't
18:23 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ|Laptop: That threat of legal action is, at best, delusional.
18:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they refuse to TALK to anyone outside that circle jerk
18:23 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: you can't keep absolute control if you allow outside influence
18:24 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: well no one is listeing to the actual reasons people are botheerd
18:24 <@klixa> they think its just some power stuggle
18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa you'd have to 'care' first to listen
18:24 <@klixa> some anti dru caompaign
18:24 <@Wilpig_> he started that shit last year at phreaknic.
18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa I'm going to straight up tell them... that if I wanted to "power struggle" with them... I'd have 20 grad students come and elect me president for next year
18:25 <@Wilpig_> there won't be a next year, most likely
18:25 <@klixa> but ben was all "i dont see why they dont just let dru do his job and see how it turns out" and thats when i mentioned the pig roast plys some other stuff, like prices of the rooms, etc
18:25 <@Wilpig_> charging for vendors
18:25 <@Wilpig_> I realize that is the hotel charging, which is just another point of WTF did you agree to in that contract
18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> so its started to rain in nashville
18:26 <@Wilpig_> klixa: if you'll come do my dishes i'll buy dinner
18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> who wants to bet that dru won't be able to come tonight because of it
18:27 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: I was just about to say that. lol
18:27 <@klixa> Wilpig_: alright, i'll get there as soon as i cna
18:27 <@Bahhumbug> What are the rules for ousting him?
18:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa fuck that... I'll cook you dinner, and play with the baby
18:27 <@Bahhumbug> Him now showing should be grounds for at least a vote of no confidence.
18:27 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: basically have to get the membership to vote no confidence
18:27 <@Bahhumbug> s/now/not/
18:27 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, that's what I thought.
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... b/c we refused to ratify his new constition
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c he was trying to rush it through asap when he came in
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> and wasted ~4 mo on that shit
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> I di not have the temperment to be in the room with various people (Amber) so I will not put myself in a position to go to jail.
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: I'm thinking of streaming it on twitch
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> (Not to mention I am not eligible to bote)
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> so we can all watch
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> err, vote
18:28 <@Bahhumbug> Please do.
18:28 < aestetix_> god I hate java
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> No, really.
18:29 < aestetix_> actually really just ssl
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> PLEASE DO.
18:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> if JJs had better fucking internet... i would
18:29 < aestetix_> crt, pem, keystores, oh my
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> Because this needs to be public for _everyone_ to witness.
18:29 <@klixa> can i get the link to the PN website?
18:29 <@klixa> i wanna see it
18:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> www.phreaknic.info
18:29 < aestetix_> sure
18:29 < aestetix_> tinyurl.com/phreaknic18
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> Too many lies are going around that need to be aired out in public.
18:29 <@Bahhumbug> fuck you, aestetix_
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18:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
18:30 <@Wilpig_> haha.  I was almost sure that's what that was
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_: You're a dick.
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> You are in violation of my CoC.
18:30 <@klixa> yeah, thats pretty sparese
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: Please find the speakers on that site?
18:30 <@Bahhumbug> You have 5 minutes.  Go.
18:31 <@klixa> https://www.phreaknic.info/node/1/speakers
18:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Speakers | PhreakNIC (at www.phreaknic.info)
18:31 <@klixa> to be announced
18:31 <@Wilpig_> WRONG!
18:31 <@Wilpig_> try again
18:31 <@Wilpig_> you're apparently causing trouble by thinking that
18:31 <@Bahhumbug> Christmas Time: Bahhumbug: Amnesia Haze, Sweet Tangerine, Critical Kush... on it's way to "JD" from "Chris Clark" (some name i made up on the spot)
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> Ohh I'm a fucking asshole...
18:32 <@Wilpig_> I agree, but why?
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> I made the game I'm "straeming" depression quest
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> from zoe quinn
18:32 <@Wilpig_> heh
18:33 <@klixa> yeah that website is not great
18:33 <@klixa> that website shoudl have been up and going months ago
18:33 <@klixa> at this rate it will be finshed AFTER phreaknic
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> Did you find the speakers?
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> (I ask this in all seriousness)
18:34 <@klixa> no
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, good.
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> Then we aren't alone.
18:34 <@Bahhumbug> It's there, but not where anyone with a brain is going to look for it.
18:35 <@Wilpig_> their target audience is someone that will go through every link looking for stuff.
18:35 <@klixa> i think i have
18:35 <@Wilpig_> but if you goto a link they dont' expect, like install.php, they're gonna call the cops
18:35 <@klixa> all the pages lead back to the same page, the 1, 2, 3 first last
18:35 <@klixa> all trhe same place
18:36 <@Wilpig_> klixa: https://phreaknic.info/program
18:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Program | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
18:36 <@Wilpig_> you used the menu like... a menu
18:36 <@Wilpig_> you were supposed to use it like a link!
18:36 <@klixa> how the hell did you ger there
18:36 <@klixa> get*
18:36 <@klixa> :/
18:36 <@klixa> oh i see
18:36 <@klixa> yeah thats...um
18:37 <@Wilpig_> the word you're looking for is broken?
18:37 <@Wilpig_> retarded?
18:37 <@Wilpig_> misplaced?
18:37 <@klixa> retarded....ding ding ding ding
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Poorly designed.
18:37 <@Wilpig_> wrong?
18:37 <@klixa> they all work really
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> I tried to defuse this last night.
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> I really, really did.
18:37 <@klixa> the links on the main page need to be deleted, they all lead to the same locaiton *the 1,2,3, first, last)
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> And from that it seemed to have spiraled out of control.
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> And for that I am really sorry.
18:37 <@Bahhumbug> But... that's it.
18:39 <@klixa> ok, i heard the other side about something, im curious to hear this side; i was told that a fter spending HOURS making a website, it was deleted ot show that it is vulnerbale
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> That's a lie.
18:39 <@klixa> then of course, after being told this sotry...it wa sonly later mentioned they had backups and it actually caused no issues, but i digress
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> One needs to show intent to make such a claim.
18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Such intent is not proveable.
18:40 <@Bahhumbug> Thus the entire statement is crap.
18:40 <@Wilpig_> klixa: after they announced the site was live I hit install.php.  drupal apparently auto-installs and wiped the site
18:40 <@Bahhumbug> A public url that should have been removed was hit.
18:40 <@Wilpig_> I tired to post it to their phreaknic google group and my post was moderated
18:40 <@Bahhumbug> The cms in question, drupal, is engineered like shit and when that url was hit the db got deadstarted.
18:40 <@Wilpig_> so I pointed it out in here and multiple people hit it and laughed as it kept getting reset
18:41 <@klixa> ok so this is ralted to dru threatening you guys?
18:41 <@klixa> related*
18:41 <@Wilpig_> yup
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Might I also add that multiple people _begged_ them not to use an active content website for a HACKER convention?
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Repeatedly.
18:41 <@klixa> yeah i know that part
18:41 <@klixa> like i said it was only after being told a long story that it was mentioned they had backups that took no time to put back up
18:41 <@Wilpig_> rofl  @JimNorton: 20mg Cialis + 0 Tinder matches = 1 long night ahead. 
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> This all points to poor planning, poor decision making and an overall lack of leadership ability.
18:42 <@klixa> and it was only after i was all "well didnt you have backups"
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: Where are yuo having this conversation if I might ask?  Is this on there google group or in private?
18:42 <@Bahhumbug> s/there/their/
18:42 <@Wilpig_> she said phone
18:42 <@Wilpig_> I thought
18:43 <@Bahhumbug> I missed that.  Thank you.
18:43 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: phoen with ben
18:43 <@klixa> a week ago
18:43 <@Bahhumbug> I ask out of curiousity as they apparently want to control all discourse about all aspects of the convention.
18:44 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: he was just filling me in on everything
18:45  * Bahhumbug nods.
18:45 <@Bahhumbug> I was really only wondering where it was, not to whom you were speaking as that's none of my business.
18:45 <@klixa> if it were secret i wouldnt be repeating it
18:45  * Bahhumbug nods
18:45 < aestetix_> So, I have a question
18:46 <@Wilpig_> 42
18:46 < aestetix_> If Hillary gets elected, how much influence would Bill have?
18:46 < aestetix_> Because I would not mind seeing Bill Clinton serve another term
18:46 <@Wilpig_> same amount he had the first time
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Irrelevant.  She has no chance.
18:46 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: who does?
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Her own party doesn't much like her.
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Elizabeth Warren is a more viable female Dem candidate.
18:46 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: all in all what ben wants, is for everyone to get along, and work together
18:46 <@Wilpig_> ^
18:47 <@Wilpig_> didn't I already say that
18:47 < aestetix_> I think I'd go with Hillary over Elizabeth Warren
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: This isn't utopia and such desires are pipe dreams.
18:47 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: and from talking to him, just the fact he didnt know that the BBQ botehred anyone, shows me that thers a lot of stuff being missed
18:47 <@klixa> lack of bbq rather*
18:47 <@klixa> i mean, im new here and i knew that
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> What could possibly be wrong with roasted pork?
18:47  * RangerZ|Laptop is working to get streaming working....
18:47 < aestetix_> mmmm por
18:47 < aestetix_> pork
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> (Sarcasm, I _KNOW_ what['s wrong with it)
18:48 <@Wilpig_> "it's the strangest thing, he's 8 years old and smells like robert downey jr."
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> heh
18:48 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: yeah, utopia isnt possible, but i dont think it had to get this out of hand
18:49 <@klixa> i think Amber is the real issue
18:49 <@Wilpig_> with witless leader more worried about a fake takeover plot, how can he worry about real issues
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> The lack of communication is part of it.  Amber is part of it.  Dru's lack of leadership is part of it.
18:49 < aestetix_> so
18:49 <@klixa> cause dru did try to send someone here to talk about PN, and handle some things...btu he picked the wrong person
18:49 < aestetix_> find someone else for him to date?
18:50 < aestetix_> you know
18:50 <@klixa> threatening to have law enforcement get involved over presisng a file is extremem
18:50 < aestetix_> it occured to me that if you pronounce "tesla coil" right, it sounds like "testicle"
18:50 <@klixa> especially coming from someone, who 20 years ago was on 91 explaining how to do all sorts of illegal stuff with phones
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> That threat is meaningless.  The USAG would laugh at it.
18:51 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: unless they've manufactured "evidence" and they're just crazy enough to do it
18:52 <@klixa> well if anything, the people/peson who did it are part of the oraganisation...its not even a crime
18:52 <@klixa> "you are arrested for hacking yoruslef"?!??!?!
18:52 <@Wilpig_> i'm not part of the organization
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> Like I said, someone may need to explain the finer points of defamation, slander and libel.
18:52 <@klixa> you arent part of 2600/pn?
18:52 <@Wilpig_> apparently not
18:52 < aestetix_> klixa: curious, has giving birth affected your sex life at all?
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> I did speak with my lawyer this morning.  She chuckled.
18:53 <@klixa> dont you own the dns servers or something?
18:53 <@Wilpig_> moving made me suddenly not involved
18:53 <@klixa> aestetix_: no
18:53 <@Wilpig_> klixa: yes but that's not part of the organization
18:54 <@klixa> well, clicking a file that is public is still not illegal tho, right?
18:54 <@Wilpig_> it can be
18:54 <@klixa> really?
18:54 <@klixa> hmmm
18:54 <@Bahhumbug> Tanks weev
18:54 <@Wilpig_> it would take a hell of a lawyer to make it stick though
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> The thing is... one _MUST_ show intent.
18:55 <@Wilpig_> you'd have to prove intent, knowledge of what it would do/aka technical expertise
18:55 <@Wilpig_> but you could make the argument
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> And while said intent may be fabricated they would need to show it against everyone clicking.
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> It's all bullshit.
18:55 <@klixa> i really think its more of an inside thing...its kinda like a few years ago a friend stole my car
18:55 <@klixa> you cant charge a FRIEND witg car theft
18:55 <@Wilpig_> I would rather love to see it make it to a court
18:56 <@klixa> they call it "joy eriding"
18:56 <@klixa> eve if they flat out steal it
18:56 <@Bahhumbug> There is no way the feds would get involved.  The TBI doesn't give a shit about this.  And local LE?  Gimme a break.
18:56 <@klixa> and parents cant kidnap kids...its called "custodial intereference"
18:56 <@Wilpig_> klixa: learned that one a while back
18:57 <@Wilpig_> if you don't have a custody agreement between parents either can take the kid wherever and there isn't shit law enforcement can do about it
18:57 <@klixa> Wilpig_: me too...its how i lost my stepdaughter... we had her for 6 years...but we had moved to another state, the ex got pissed attempted to charge us with kidnapping, (well him, not me)
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18:57 <@klixa> Wilpig_: they can arrest you for custofial intereference
18:58 <@Wilpig_> there isnt custody at that point
18:58 <@klixa> your woman was married to the father of the baby...mine wasnt...so in my case mother had default custofy
18:58 <@Wilpig_> when ash and I moved her to kentucky she had reached an agreement with her baby's father
18:58 <@Wilpig_> they weren't married
18:58 <@klixa> or i assume she was
18:59 <@Wilpig_> when we went back to get the kid, he took off.
18:59 <@Wilpig_> she called the cops because he had broken the agreement they had reached and was told to talk to a lawyer
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18:59 <@Wilpig_> lawyer made it clear that they both had equal rights and it wasn't kidnapping
18:59 <@klixa> Wilpig_: well, my bf's ex called cops on him and claimed he abducted her... and they took her form us in Illinois and arrested him...and i was left on the side of the road
18:59 <@Wilpig_> she had just lost her kid and nothing she could do about it
18:59 <@klixa> thats the last time i saw her
19:00 <@klixa> Wilpig_: was she form TN?
19:00 <@Wilpig_> Virginia
19:00 <@klixa> from*
19:00 <@klixa> i dont knwo virginia's laws...but in TN mother has all the rights
19:00 <@Wilpig_> virginia both parents had equal rights
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, I'll be damned
19:00  * Bahhumbug decides not to point out how bullshit that law is
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> dru showed up
19:01 <@Wilpig_> surprising
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> Shocking.
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> You streaming?
19:01 < aestetix_> oooh livestream
19:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> not yet
19:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking linux
19:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> ffmpeg isn't supported anymore in ubuntu , and all this other BS
19:03 <@Wilpig_> streaming that meeting would be most difficult
19:04 <@Wilpig_> at best you'd hear maybe two or three people
19:05 <@Bahhumbug> *cough*ubuntu*cough*
19:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
19:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... I think I got it working
19:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> but the audio would never work
19:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> and only 70 kbps
19:09 <@Bahhumbug> video of amber molesting Dagmar might be interesting, though.
19:09 < aestetix_> dude
19:09 < aestetix_> even I have my limits
19:10 <@Bahhumbug> Mirage++
19:10 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: take one for the team
19:10 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: that's cruel and unusual punishment
19:10 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: I've been trying to get him to do that for quite some time now.
19:10 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: one word: beefcake
19:10 < aestetix_> Is amber a wookie?
19:11 <@Bahhumbug> Is Amber Amber?
19:11 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, even wookies have standards.
19:11 <@Bahhumbug> Just wanted to toss that out there.
19:12 < aestetix_> wookie
19:14 <@Wilpig_> Mirage: just saw your email.  agreed with Bahhumbug.  Mirage++
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19:16 <@Wilpig_> hehe "you know something pig fucker"  nope, only my friends can call me pig fucker
19:20 <@klixa> they need a higher res version of that background
19:23 <@Bahhumbug> What's the deal with #phreaknic?  Foundership has been assumed by freenode-staff which is indicative of the original owner(s) expiring.
19:23 <@Wilpig_> really?
19:23 <@Bahhumbug> /cs info #phreaknic
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19:24 <@Wilpig_> that is weird.
19:24 <@Wilpig_> I'm still a founder
19:24 <@Wilpig_> at leats I was last night
19:25 <@Wilpig_> Mirage, Corydon, Myself are still listed as the ones with founder rights
19:27 <@klixa> says freenode on mine too
19:27 < aestetix_> give me founders rights'
19:28 <@Bahhumbug> 18:28:15] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: 1     freenode-staff         +AFORfiorstv [modified 5 years, 12 weeks, 3 days, 14:19:01 ago]
19:28 <@Bahhumbug> /cs access #phreaknic list
19:29 <@Wilpig_> 19:24 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 15    Wilpig                 +AFORVfiorstv (founder) [modified 4 years, 2 weeks, 6 days, 18:29:09 ago]
19:29 <@Wilpig_> 19:24 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 19    Corydon76-home         +AFORVfiorstv (founder) [modified ? ago]
19:29 <@Wilpig_> 19:24 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 25    Mirage_                +AFORVfiorstv (founder) [modified 4 years, 2 weeks, 6 days, 18:28:32 ago]
19:29 <@Bahhumbug> That's _this_ channel, isn't it?
19:29 <@Wilpig_> yup
19:30 <@Bahhumbug> I am talking about #phreaknic
19:30 <@Wilpig_> oh yeah.  that channel was never used
19:30 <@Bahhumbug> Heh :)
19:30 <@Wilpig_> once upon a time it was registered by skydick
19:31 <@Wilpig_> haha.  earnhart.  that reference and the chelsea clinton one are so dated now
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19:36 < RangerZ|Laptop1> so....
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19:38 <@Bahhumbug> Wonderful wireless they have there.
19:39 <@Wilpig_> it's heavily used
19:39 <@Bahhumbug> pr0n
19:39 < RangerZ|Laptop1> yeah
19:39 < RangerZ|Laptop1> pretty much
19:41 <@Wilpig_> why is this windows only?  http://store.steampowered.com/app/65980/
19:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pre-purchase Sid Meier's Civilization®: Beyond Earth™ on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
19:41 <@Wilpig_> all the other civ games are multi-platform
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop1> DX12
19:41 < RangerZ|Laptop1> MS is paying devs to only use DX now
19:42 < RangerZ|Laptop1> b/c otherwise mantle/openGL is going to fucking spank it
19:42 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, because that's entirely fair.
19:43 <@Bahhumbug> This is the type of thing "gamers" should get pissy about.
19:43 <@Bahhumbug> Not that other nonsense.
19:43 <@Wilpig_> cross platform gaming is still relatively new
19:43 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed.
19:44 <@Wilpig_> generally I wouldn't care, but since i've gotten used to using my work laptop for most things.  Now I find it irritating
19:44 <@Bahhumbug> Just thinking outloud here, but wasn't the first true multi-platform game Doom?
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop1> so... apparently "me and dagmar" where who scared off the women
19:44 <@Bahhumbug> You?
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop1> at the last meeting, last month
19:44 <@Bahhumbug> ...
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop1> yeah....
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop1> thats the story
19:44 <@Bahhumbug> How does that work?
19:45 <@Dickie> THis seems to be a common theme amongst nerd herds
19:45 <@Dickie> Scarin' the ladies
19:45  * Dickie gyrates
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop1> but of course... no idea what either of us said that offended people
19:45 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop1: excuses, excuses
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop1> though dag... did piss off peaches
19:45 <@Wilpig_> and nobody has anything specific to cite
19:46 <@Wilpig_> btw you're now included in "that group" so you're persona non grata to them
19:46 <@Bahhumbug> Peaches is not a woman.
19:46 <@Wilpig_> peaches is a woman
19:46 <@Wilpig_> he just has a dick
19:46 < RangerZ|Laptop1> Wilpig_: don't be an ass
19:46 <@Bahhumbug> Whatever.
19:46 <@Bahhumbug> gender fluid
19:46 <@Wilpig_> nah.  peaches is gay, he loves the cock.  he's good people
19:47 <@Bahhumbug> Did you, oh, I don't know... demand an explanation of that charge and the corroborating evidence?
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop1> ohh ... dru got fucking _pissed_ when I told him, that its HIS job to make a cite and other materials that I feel is professional enough for me to give to people at vandy....
19:47 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop1: ask if you ran off oddball too?
19:47 < RangerZ|Laptop1> site*
19:49 <@Wilpig_> fwiw oddball is actually gone to outsidecon so he isn't there, but I would be amused at them blaming that on you two
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> So... is anyone actually calling him out on things?
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> Outside of the the site?
19:52 <@Wilpig_> why bother?  they can ask and won't be heard
19:52 < RangerZ|Laptop1> I'm sorry, but I'm not going to ask professionals, to come to a _hacker_ con that isn't well ran
19:52 < RangerZ|Laptop1> HOPE at least had notable people, etc
19:52 <@Bahhumbug> The site isn't that bad, the work needed to make it not suck is under an hour.
19:52 <@Bahhumbug> It's just that... it's not going to get done I fear.
19:53 <@Wilpig_> under an hour with your head out of your ass.
19:53 <@Wilpig_> getting that head out is gonna take a while
19:53 < aestetix_> lol are you calling HOPE professional
19:53 <@Bahhumbug> I have a pry bar.
19:53 <@Wilpig_> I didn't
19:53 <@Bahhumbug> It won't take that long.
19:53 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: I was talking to some folks that were debating the idea of cloning the badges to see if they could
19:54 < aestetix_> cloning which badges
19:54 <@Wilpig_> all of them.:D
19:54 <@Dagmar> Wel...
19:54 <@Wilpig_> they thoguht it would be funny to have one of each
19:54 <@Dagmar> That was a completely unproductive load of shit.
19:54 < aestetix_> all the HOPE badges?
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> You expected more?
19:54 <@Wilpig_> figuring it was in NY, they figured surely they could find someone in town that could do it
19:54 <@Dagmar> I got told "What have *you* done for the con in the last ten years?"
19:54 <@Wilpig_> you can ask the same of dru
19:54 <@Bahhumbug> Not start a shitfest of innuendo and lies?
19:55 <@Dagmar> We did *try* to express to Dru, repeatedly, that we have been saying for *months* that actual information needs to be up on the website, but all we got was more excuses and deflections.
19:55 <@Dagmar> Wilpig_: I *walked out* of the meeting.
19:55 <@Bahhumbug> Good for you!
19:55 <@Bahhumbug> *clap* *clap*
19:55 <@Wilpig_> and I am guessing nobody was clued in even to the slightest that he was just making excuses
19:55 <@Dagmar> Apparently, I am a liability.
19:56 <@Wilpig_> and one more local member has been alienated
19:56 <@Wilpig_> this really IS skydick 2.0
19:56 <@Dagmar> ...because of things I said that apparently offended some people in JJ's last month, which I said in direct response to crazypants
19:56 <@Dagmar> ...yet Dru doesn't seem to remember crazypants being there.
19:56 <@Bahhumbug> Was crazycunt there tonight?
19:56 <@Dagmar> No, she was not.
19:56 <@Bahhumbug> Surprising.
19:56 <@Dagmar> RangerZ was getting the same nonsense
19:56 <@Wilpig_> if there had been some minutes showing a listing of people present...
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> But come now, that's asking a lot.
19:57 <@Dagmar> We said flat out the major problem is Dru spending the bulk of his time obsessing about drama and gossip and plots
19:57 <@Wilpig_> makebelieve plots
19:57 <@Dagmar> wilpig: oh he says she'd already left at that point. I beg to differ, because the first I heard of a "women's only room" was out of *her* mouth
19:57 <@Wilpig_> all of which could be quashed with one actual in person visit by me
19:58 <@Dagmar> I could rather easilyl go on the list and make a big list of the things I have *not* done
19:58 <@Dagmar> Like... tell people they're not allowed to talk to other people.
19:58 <@Dagmar> Like... fail to delegate to get things done.
19:58 <@Dagmar> Like... waste a bunch of people's time arguing endlessly about some bylaws that don't fuckin' matter.
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> Code of Conduct
19:59 <@Dagmar> Like... fail to listen to people telling them facts *directly* to their face
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> You know, just sayin'
19:59 < aestetix_> What did he say?
19:59 <@Dagmar> Apparently, the "hack" of the PN site was the result of some "social engineering".
19:59 <@Dagmar> ...which is just fucking delusional.
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> Uh-huh.
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> The hack was incompetence.
19:59 <@Wilpig_> social engineering?  WHAT?!
19:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I know.  Fuckin' MADNESS.
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> Anyone that can't see that is just blind.
19:59 <@Wilpig_> who was fucking social engineered?
20:00 <@Dagmar> I was trying to get to the bottom of where the nonsense is coming from, and I have to say it's looking like Dru.
20:00 <@Bahhumbug> I do believe the term in all this is Cognitive Dissonance.
20:00 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I was going to circle back around to that before I got fed up and walked out
20:00 <@Wilpig_> excuse me mr server, I'm official and would like you to delete this website.
20:00 <@Dagmar> If I can show up in person and not be getting anywhere with facts and reason, then fuck it
20:00 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Gonna go to the con this year?
20:01 < aestetix_> Dagmar: what has been making him so busy?
20:01 <@Wilpig_> the only reason I say it would be quashed by me showing up.  is he could no longer blame me for shit without me being there to outright refute every claim WITH evidence
20:01 <@Dagmar> Apparently there's actually *ten* speakers lined up for PN, although there's still only 4 on the website, and somehow, despite the fact that there's an almighty CMS in place, it's just too goddamn hard to update this shit
20:01 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I'm half-tempted to say "WHAT con?"
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> It would need to be a surprise visit because I am pretty sure he will avoid any such meeting.
20:01 <@Wilpig_> 12 speakers is the bare minimum to cover half of friday and saturday
20:02 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: I did specifically address the idea that you are in some way "out to get him"
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Mirage bailed.
20:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah I saw that
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect more will as well.
20:02 <@Wilpig_> he still has thursday and sunday to fill from his claims
20:02 <@Dagmar> I'm too pissed right now to post anything without being nasty and I will *not* feed the failtrolls.
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> Smoke a bong.  Relax.
20:02 <@Wilpig_> thank you dag, your efforts are appreciated
20:03 <@Dagmar> I told him outright for hte last eight months I've been on IRC running interference for the confusion, telling people "We *are* having PN"
20:03 <@Wilpig_> the fact remains.  crazypants is magnifying the insanity already present in dru
20:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah he says she's gotten him more speakers than anyone else
20:03 <@Dagmar> That may or may not be the case, I don't care.
20:03 <@Wilpig_> cause nobody knows shit to talk to people about it
20:03 <@Dagmar> The shit that *should* be happening, *isn't* happening
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> That alone should sorta say something if true.
20:03 <@Wilpig_> time will tell if any of her speakers show
20:03 <@Wilpig_> if they don't he'll blame it on her
20:04 <@Dagmar> RangerZ and I both brought up the lack of anyone actually bothering to *post* an RFP (request for papers)
20:04 <@Dagmar> He's like "I post to the Google Group all the time"
20:04 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I have a link that will cheer you up
20:04 < aestetix_> http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/wapo-columnist-stop-spending-on-health-care-we-need-t-1631212717/+tcberman
20:04 <@Dagmar> I pull out my phone... the last post from him was August 8th
20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlnSMFHc9Xc
20:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Economist Publishes Book Review Defending Slave Owners - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:04 < RangerZ|Laptop1> .....
20:05 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: he posted more but they are all still drafts.  he doesn't know why they are still drafts
20:05 <@Dagmar> I guess.
20:05 <@Wilpig_> example excuse
20:05 <@Dagmar> I have no fucking clue WTF is going wrong htere, and I was trying to get to the bottom of  it
20:05 <@Bahhumbug> Innuendo and lies.
20:05 <@Dagmar> I can't get to the bottom of a goddamn thing if I'm being fed a bunch of deflection and excuses
20:05 <@Wilpig_> you really couldn't.  you and rangerz are part of the other group
20:05 <@Wilpig_> you're part of the plot to get him
20:06 <@Dagmar> Maybe.
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> I ask this is all seriousness.  Is this really a thing?
20:06 <@Dagmar> I look on myself as a part of the ultra-nefarious plot to actually get some shit done
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Does he honestly believe that people are out to get him in some manner?
20:06 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: yes
20:06 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: YES
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.
20:06 <@Wilpig_> I'm telling you, it started last year
20:06 <@Dagmar> ...and _that_ is the crazy shit that takes the cake which I literally can't find an origin point for.
20:07 <@Wilpig_> he started by asking for meetings with all the pn planning folks and those folks included ben, notlarry, tilghman
20:07 <@Dagmar> Like... what have I done for the con?  Fucking PAID ATTENTION
20:07 <@Dagmar> People kept trying to fuckin' elect me and I wasn't going near it until I had a pretty good grasp of the shit that needs to happen
20:07 <@Wilpig_> as well you should
20:08 <@Wilpig_> I want some ice cream
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> Oh!
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> That's a good idea.
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> In fact...
20:08  * Bahhumbug heads out for ice cream
20:08 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks for the idea :)
20:10 <@Wilpig_> while you're out.  get rocky road because it's the best
20:11 <@Dagmar> Truly jacked
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20:12 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Actually, point of fact, Dru told me *I've* been smoking way too much pot
20:13 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that of any 1,000 people I am probably the *least* pot smokingest of all of them
20:13 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar prefers edibles.  ;) j/k
20:13 <@Dagmar> No, by most people's standards I only smoke weed via a technicality.
20:14 <@Dagmar> I'm just not into smoking myself retarded
20:14 <@Dagmar> Never was.
20:14 <@Dagmar> My usual is *if*, then one perhaps two tokes
20:14 <@Dagmar> ...and it's not even often
20:14 <@Wilpig_> well that was tasty
20:14 <@Dagmar> I am far more likely to do a bit of that before bed to help me get to sleep and that's about it
20:15 <@Dagmar> Offhand I'd actually say that's the case probably 8 out of 10 times
20:15 <@Dagmar> It ain't without reason a quarter typically lasts me six months or ore
20:15 <@Dagmar> s/ore/more/
20:16 <@Dagmar> But hey, it's always a good idea to insult people who are trying to be reasonable.
20:16 <@Wilpig_> that's usually my plan of action
20:16 <@Dagmar> Jesus this is fucked
20:18 <@Dagmar> For fucks' sake anyone whose known me for more than a few days knows my drug of choice is _caffiene_ by a margin measured in astronomical units
20:19 <@Wilpig_> hehe
20:19 <@Dagmar> The knucklehead is still somehow under the impression (despite both RangerZ and I telling him explcitly to the contrary) that all we do in here is fucking gossip and stir up drama
20:20 <@Dagmar> We told him point blank, "No.  We argue shit out right there on the spot in public.  It's goddamn multiplayer notepad."
20:20 <@Dagmar> Apparently he has some "logs"
20:20 <@Dagmar> So...
20:21 <@Dagmar> IF there is someone in here who is taking logs and editing them to materially misrepresent facts, here's a message.
20:21 <@Dagmar> GO.  FUCK.  YOURSELF.
20:21 <@Dagmar> You're a fucking cowardly shit and I *will* have redress on this eventually.  Perhaps on your deathbed in 30 years, but I will have it.
20:22 <@Dagmar> I let a million stupid things slide every year because they don't fucking matter, but this... this will not go unpunished.  Someone is on my fucking _list_ now.
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20:22 <@Dagmar> End of fucking message.
20:22 <@Wilpig_> I want to see logs
20:23 <@Dagmar> The next time I hear that shit I'm going to demand they be produced, with context.
20:23 <@Dagmar> Not the context-free greps I saw the last time
20:23 <@Wilpig_> I did demand the first time it was brought up
20:23 <@Dagmar> Man he even started in about the DNS and website ownership shit
20:23 <@Dagmar> I'm like, "And how has this actually prevented putting some information on a website?"
20:23 <@Dagmar> No answer.
20:24 <@Dagmar> At this point they should start looking for plastic balls to put the PN logo on
20:24 <@Dagmar> This level of bullshit is likely to spontaneously manifest a ball pit.
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20:29 <@Dagmar> There.
20:29 <@Dagmar> Fuck it.
20:29 <@Dagmar> Shots fired.
20:29 <@Dagmar> I'm demanding an explanation of the social engineering claim.
20:29 <@Dagmar> I'm going to repeat that fucking demand _daily_
20:30 <@Dagmar> We're not devolving into an org that values crazy nonsense without a fight.
20:30 <@Dagmar> He can retract that claim and all will be forgiven, but I don't think it's going to happen
20:31 <@Dagmar> I goddamn well mean it when I say I quite reasonably _assumed_ the open-ended install interface for the now production site would have already been removed.
20:31 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise *I* would have been the person with the dubious honor of breaking the website in under two fuckin' minutes.
20:32 <@Dagmar> Let the asshole who has been keeping logs dig them up and go review how _quickly_ that happened
20:32 <@Dagmar> Because I already *said* this shit to the list, and apparently it was fucking ignored because it didn't fit the narrative of someone who was _not_ here on IRC when we did it
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20:36 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: My gasts are flabbered.
20:37 < RangerZ> yeah... pretty much
20:38 <@Wilpig_> surely there are enough people in here logging that a real log could be deciphered out of any tampering
20:38 <@Wilpig_> hey NSA, we need those transcripts!
20:38 < RangerZ> the look of shock when I told him I had taken care of crazypants, and that its HIS job to make a professional website before I'll give it to profs, etc
20:39 < RangerZ> just complete and udder shock
20:41 <@Dagmar> On the mailing list I just openly challenged him to explain the "social engineering" excuse he gave me.
20:41 <@Dagmar> I intend to repeat this challenge every fucking day, ad infinitum.
20:41 < RangerZ> "i use the mailing list all the time"
20:41 <@Dagmar> August 8th.
20:41 <@Dagmar> No response to that
20:41 <@Wilpig_> I was also told that he was coordinating all the planning via the ALE list
20:41 <@Wilpig_> to which I had to ask wtf that even was.  
20:42 <@Wilpig_> when I found said list he's posted there, twice.
20:42 < RangerZ> yeah... really
20:42 <@Dagmar> Atlanta Linux Expo, I think
20:42 < RangerZ> wtf is that
20:42 < RangerZ> ahhh
20:42 <@Wilpig_> Atlanta Linux Enthusiests
20:42 <@Dagmar> It doesn't make any sense to do it there
20:43 <@Wilpig_> sure it does
20:43 <@Wilpig_> it's another excuse
20:43 <@Wilpig_> none of you can verify his claim if it happened out of your sight
20:43 <@Wilpig_> their archives are public though, so it was easily debunked
20:44 <@Wilpig_> http://www.ale.org/pipermail/ale/2014-August/thread.html
20:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Ale August 2014 Archive by thread (at www.ale.org)
20:45 <@Dagmar> I also just made a public threat about the person abusing logging
20:45 <@Dagmar> Oh noes
20:46 <@Wilpig_> oh noes!
20:46 <@Dagmar> THey should probably consider some exercise because they're going to be doing some fleeing when I find out who it might be
20:46 <@Dagmar> I don't say anything in here I would not say elsewhere in public
20:46 <@Dagmar> Things said on IRC should always be kept in context
20:46 <@Wilpig_> I disagree
20:47 <@Wilpig_> if we kept it all in context bash.org would never have been populated
20:47 <@Dagmar> Anyone expecting "profesional responsibility" on IRC should be beaten senseless with a foam bat labeled "casual discussion area"
20:47 <@Dagmar> ...and that's after the person weilding the bat labeled "proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation" has had their go.
20:48 < aestetix_> If your cousin gets married, is it incest to fuck his wife?
20:48 < RangerZ> Uncle Jack should use the Capitalization
20:48 <@Dagmar> I see I'm going to need to special order a bat for aestetix.
20:48 < RangerZ> bat*
20:49 <@Wilpig_> I am Jack's angry period.
20:49 < aestetix_> I was just curious
20:49 <@Dagmar> Well, go ask this dumb shit on Yahoo Answers.  That's what it's for.
20:49 < aestetix_> ok
20:50 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: we really need to set you up with a psychology student that needs a doctoral paper subject
20:50 <@Dagmar> heh
20:50 < aestetix_> haha
20:50 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: you have those at tumblr?
20:50 <@Wilpig_> no
20:50 <@Wilpig_> I can probably find you some contact details for some SJWs though
20:50 <@Dagmar> Don't worry, the commemorative jacket they'll give you for helping with their work generally comes with one-size-fits-all sleeves.
20:51 < aestetix_> wait for real
20:51 < aestetix_> yahoo lets you sign in with facebook and google?
20:51 <@Dagmar> Yep.
20:51 <@Wilpig_> they won't let me
20:51 <@Wilpig_> the fuckers
20:52 <@Dagmar> If no one's really vetting accounts, does it really matter who didn't vet the account?
20:52 < aestetix_> Can you post the question for me?
20:52 <@Wilpig_> bah.  someone do my dishes please
20:52 < aestetix_> It is worth noting that this is entirely hypothetical
20:53 < aestetix_> Well not entirely. I watched a TV show last night where a brother fucked his sister
20:53 <@Wilpig_> aestetix_: will you supply us a list of your male cousins for verification?
20:53 < aestetix_> And I was like "this is clearly wrong. But I wonder if cousin+marriage is far enough removed"
20:53 < aestetix_> And it occurred to me that someone in here might know ;)
20:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah yeah we're from the south
20:54 <@Dagmar> This is why we think it's a dumb fuckin' question
20:54 <@Wilpig_> Neoteric++
20:54 <@Dagmar> There are two possible cases.  One being that your cousin actually married another one of your cousins, in which case unless they're not at least third removed, it would probably be considered incest.
20:55 <@Dagmar> The other cases would be that they married someone far enough removed from your family tree that it would not be incest, but merely being a jackass.
20:55 <@Dagmar> In both cases it's still a stupid question.
20:55 < aestetix_> Ok so it's not incest.
20:55 <@Dagmar> Do not force us to *skin you alive*.
20:56 <@Dagmar> I have a Dremel with all of the standard attachments.
20:56 <@Dagmar> It could take a _while_.
20:56 <@Wilpig_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10641257_10152714798251419_5764405882940586650_n.jpg?oh=3238b77603da50523eb6952ff3b387c5&oe=549E06DD&__gda__=1419349451_20a869c3ced4c088aaffd205367d6350
20:58 <@Dagmar> Relevant https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0076/90/1405617490971.png
20:58 <@Dagmar> However... MUCH more hilarious --> http://31.media.tumblr.com/c4187a121b3d61acaa8186de83bcab51/tumblr_n9njickFA61r8mkcxo2_500.jpg
20:58 <@Wilpig_> HAHAHA
20:59 <@Wilpig_> I gotta share that one internally
20:59 <@Dagmar> There's a lot of really weird stuff that comes up from an images.google search for 'cosplay ball pit'
20:59 <@Wilpig_> https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10639548_10152714798931419_7459474251449297677_n.jpg?oh=4aed2101b2bad3bf11bd95fb44ed060d&oe=548C0DE8
20:59 <@Wilpig_> that dude, matt, that merlin dated for a while posted several pictures from something called "second con"
20:59 < aestetix_> Is incest actually common in the south?
21:00 < aestetix_> Or is that a myth
21:00 < RangerZ> not so much anymore
21:00 < RangerZ> but it was
21:00 <@Dagmar> A myth now.
21:00 < RangerZ> 'blue men of KY'
21:00 < aestetix_> blue men?
21:00 < RangerZ> google it
21:00 < RangerZ> SFW
21:00 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind the lack of availability of long-range travel opportunities during the 1900's
21:01 <@Dagmar> Well, that wasn't _caused_ by incest... it was just sustained by a very small breeding selection pool.
21:01 <@Wilpig_> were the blue men from ky or tn?  I do remember it though, it was a neat story
21:01 <@Dagmar> It's a recessive that's come up in parts of the world before
21:01 <@Dagmar> Fun fact: The thing used to *fix* that in a newborn child is actually a deep blue color
21:01 <@Wilpig_> the history of that one was inbreeding a recessive gene though
21:01 <@Dagmar> It's practically a Doctor Houser cure.
21:01 <@Dagmar> "The patient is blue.  Clearly the cure is *more blue* but you're all too stubborn to see it!"
21:02 < aestetix_> Is that an old thing, or did the civil war cause it?
21:03 <@Dagmar> OLD
21:03 <@Dagmar> Blue people have showed up in Spain and Mexico as well
21:03 <@Dagmar> I read about it in Reader's Digest as a little kid
21:04 < RangerZ> kings/etc being called "blue blood"
21:04 < RangerZ> b/c of this
21:04 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I don't get the image.  Are those hammerites?
21:05 <@Wilpig_> it was the secret society in springfield
21:06 <@Wilpig_> the one that thought homer was their god
21:06 <@Dagmar> Ooooh kay
21:06 <@Wilpig_> Stonecutters
21:07 <@Wilpig_> http://www.learnawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Stonecutters.jpg
21:08 <@Dagmar> Hmm... They've apparently been added to 'Tapped Out'
21:08 <@Wilpig_> I haven't fired that up in a while.  I probably should
21:09 <@Wilpig_> tablet needs charging
21:12 < aestetix_> klixa: how is your baby's poop consistency now?
21:12 < aestetix_> healthy?
21:12 <@Dickie> zesty
21:12 < aestetix_> tangy?
21:12 <@Wilpig_> bad Dickie.  no!
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21:26  * Dagmar spins up the Dremel.
21:26 <@Dagmar> Let's see...
21:27 <@Dagmar> With the average surface area for adult men being 1.9 square meters... The Dremel able to strip paint at the rate of about 2s per centimeter...
21:27 <@Dagmar> Subjectively, it might take about eight years
21:28 <@Dagmar> That's assuming no brush changes or bogging down in gore
21:29 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar...  you don't honestly expect 1) the cowardly cunt spying in this channel to step forward and 2) Dru to acknowledge your posts do you?
21:29 <@Shadow404> so much list drama
21:30 <@Dagmar> I actually don't.  On both counts.
21:30 <@Dagmar> I expect it will simply cost them reputation.
21:30 <@Shadow404> so i was thinking about coming to the con this year and also a good excuse to show my gf nashville for a weekend
21:30 <@Dagmar> ...which is deserved at this point.
21:30 <@Shadow404> but after this, im probably not
21:30 <@Bahhumbug> He has a reputation?
21:30 <@Bahhumbug> One not already in the mud?
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21:31 <@Dagmar> I am probably _too_ patient, but try to keep your plans fluid for a little while longer.
21:31 <@Dagmar> This is still salvageable
21:31 <@Bahhumbug> Fluid... as in gasoline?
21:31 <@Dagmar> There's still time for someone to pull their head out of their ass.
21:32 <@Bahhumbug> This is only salvageable if TPTB permit it to be salvageable.
21:32 <@klixa> aestetix_: you
21:32 <@Bahhumbug> And I think they've pretty much made it clear that they are on the side of the insanity divide that has already fucked everything up.
21:32 <@Dagmar> I may wind up throwing together a Drupal site as a sort of "Let's Play" just to shine some light on the bullshit
21:32 <@Bahhumbug> Gonna leave install.php in place?
21:32 <@Dagmar> Fuck no
21:33 <@Bahhumbug> :D
21:33 <@Bahhumbug> If you want hosting, let me know :)
21:33 <@Bahhumbug> Got an instance in ORD that's not doing shit at the moment.
21:33 <@Dagmar> I might replace it with <?php print "Bitch, please.\n"> but I read freakin' directions and follow best practices
21:34 <@klixa> n, too much scrollback...whats the tl:dr
21:34 <@klixa> tl;dr*
21:34 <@Dagmar> I'm just astonished we were offering to help last month and we got freakin' ignored
21:34 <@Dagmar> klixa: Dru's lost his damn mind
21:34 <@Bahhumbug> Why are you astoninished by this?
21:34 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously.  This is NOT a troll.
21:34 <@klixa> Dagmar: i commented on that offer to ben... about how you said for months "i will make a website"
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21:34 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Because I have known Dru for *ages* and he is not *normally* prone to this level of disconnect from reality
21:35 <@Bahhumbug> People change, Dagmar.
21:35 <@Dagmar> I'm insulted he accused *me* of smoking too much pot
21:35 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: I offered to help for more htan 6 months straight and was flat out ignored
21:35 <@klixa> people like amber are evil, serously
21:35 <@klixa> they plant weirdo seeds
21:35 <@Wilpig_> that's when I shifted to outright fuck you, imma gonna mokc you instead
21:35 <@klixa> corydon, dru, and ben are all affected by her
21:35 <@Dagmar> wilpig: By the way, he claims that you said Phreaknic was yours and he'd never be able to take it from you
21:35 <@Wilpig_> what?!
21:35 <@Bahhumbug> I've never met him (or a single one of you) but he comes across as a paranoid delusional nutcase that has made his mind up based on .. something .. and will not, for any reason, listen to differing views.
21:35 <@Wilpig_> really?
21:36 <@Wilpig_> wow....
21:36 <@Wilpig_> cite proof please
21:36 <@Dagmar> Yep.
21:36 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: he called me a slut when i was 14 :|
21:36 <@Dagmar> one of the first things I tried to address was his mistaken impression that you're out to get him.
21:36 <@Dagmar> No dice.
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> Did you kick him in the nuts?
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> That is the proper reaction.
21:36 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: you can't. dolemite already tried and failed
21:36 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: he said it behind my back to someone else...and they told me
21:36 <@Dagmar> This is genuinely fuckin' crazy
21:36 <@Bahhumbug> So he's been a gutless pussy for many years.  Gotcha.
21:36 <@Dagmar> I started walking the list of "shit which doesn't add up in any way shape or form" and he just hand-waved it all away
21:37 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: his exact words were "shes the type of person to get pregnabnt at age 14"
21:37 <@Bahhumbug> [00:46:10] <@Bahhumbug> And whatever spying cunt is in this channel, feel free to pass that along to your master(s).
21:37 <@Bahhumbug> I talk a lot of shit as a method to maintain my sanity and vent; I am truly not a violent person.  But I do so very much want to hit someone right now.
21:38 <@Dagmar> I'll settle for just glaring.
21:38 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: that is seriously the type of shit he can continue to say while i'm not there to outright deny it and demand proof
21:38 <@Dagmar> Apparently I am mellowing.
21:38 <@Dagmar> I would kinda like to see that myself
21:38 <@Dagmar> I suspect what we'd get would be log excerpts
21:39 <@Dagmar> Hence my public threat/promise on the mailing list.
21:39 <@Dagmar> I ain't fuckin' around here.
21:39 <@Wilpig_> i'd love that. cause mine are easily pulled by date
21:39 < aestetix_> just so you know
21:39 < aestetix_> this is why most social movements don't take off
21:39 <@Bahhumbug> The bot logs are available for anyone that wants them.  These can be correlated with any other sets of logs to show provenance.
21:39 <@klixa> aestetix_: inter-arguing?
21:39 <@Dagmar> If someone wants to come up in "my" house and start wrecking shit... they'd better expect to reap the whirlwind.
21:39 < aestetix_> yep
21:39 <@klixa> aestetix_: and southerners are the worst...no offence ya;ll :D
21:39 < aestetix_> I'm not a southerner
21:39 <@klixa> aestetix_: i know
21:40 <@klixa> aestetix_: otherwise i wouldnt have to tell you that they are the worst :|
21:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa: too bad you left the SF bay area
21:40 <@Bahhumbug> Whois InfoSecDog?
21:40 <@Dagmar> What kind of crazy thinking it is to alienate and disenfrancise your community core?  Seriously?
21:40 <@Bahhumbug> s/whois/who is/
21:40 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: atlanta dude?
21:40 <@Dagmar> No idea because I'm not going on a witch hunt
21:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> you would have been indoctrinated into the 'bay area SJW' female program
21:41 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: heh... i actually like it here in NE
21:41 < aestetix_> Dagmar: are they dating?
21:41 <@Bahhumbug> aws instance so no idea.
21:41 <@Dagmar> Shitty vindictive people always fuck up eventually.
21:41 <@Dagmar> I will find them.
21:41 <@Dagmar> ...or I will outlive them.
21:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: I've actually wondered if her and dru have something going
21:41 <@Bahhumbug> If you do please get in touch with me.  I'd like to discuss growing a set of 'nads with them.
21:41 <@Wilpig_> he's already fucked up.  he just has a loyal group of followers believing his bullshit
21:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c thats the only reason I can understand her having this much influence over him
21:42 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'm trying very hard to not "go there", as you could probably tell at the meeting.
21:42 <@Dagmar> For one thing, it would give me nightmares.
21:42 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: i think she would have bragged to ALL of us if that were the case
21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah
21:42 <@klixa> i cant see dru wanting her
21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> she'd consider it 'rape' ... "b/c thats all men think about" or something like that
21:43 <@Dagmar> That and sending pictures of their junk to women
21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa: you know... I dunno... some people can't handle being alone
21:43 <@Dagmar> Seriously how the crap can she say that sort of thing in front of a bunch of people who have _never_ done that?
21:43 <@Bahhumbug> The fucked up thing is she is gaining influence in the nlug community as well from what I've heard.  Not that the community is all that large, important or active, but she's getting around.
21:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> and she's the only 'new' female he knows
21:43 <@klixa> my guess, if i had to guess, is dru thinks he can exploit her connections and willingness ot help him
21:43 <@Dagmar> Woudl not even _dream_ of doing that
21:44 <@Dagmar> I should probably have been meaner.
21:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow....
21:44 <@klixa> next time im in nashville, i will beat her up...and claim she started it
21:44 <@Dagmar> When he questioned what I've done for the 'con for the last ten years, I *could* have said "I'VE SHOWN UP"
21:44 <@Wilpig_> klixa: she'll turn that around and claim you tried to rape her
21:45 <@klixa> Wilpig_: nah, im the prettier one...they will know it was her who tried to rape me
21:45 <@klixa> ;)
21:45 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: you've actually submitted the start of original artwork that they ignored
21:45 <@Dagmar> I know.
21:45 <@Wilpig_> oh klixa, you know i'm better looking that both of you
21:45  * Wilpig_ shakes his head 
21:45 <@klixa> Wilpig_: well, just dont accuse me of rape
21:45 <@Dagmar> I think it's workable, just I'm not fast enough with art to be able to complete it before October
21:46 <@Dagmar> If I did it all in ink pen, maybe i could complete it in a day
21:46 <@klixa> what kinda art is needed
21:46 <@Wilpig_> it doesn't matter.  it was ignored
21:46 <@Dagmar> ...but i'd feel like a boody savage doing artwork with sponge and colored water like some kind of throwback.
21:46 <@Wilpig_> which was my point to dolemite.  I offered suggestions, offered to do shit, all of them were ignored like I didn't say a fucking word.
21:46 <@Shadow404> why is telnet client off by deafault in windows 7?
21:46 <@Wilpig_> that pissed me off
21:46 <@Dagmar> s/boody/bloody/
21:46 <@Shadow404> i can understand the server side, but the client?
21:46 <@Wilpig_> Shadow404: it isn't installed at all
21:47 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Because fuck telnet
21:47 <@klixa> haha, telnet
21:47 <@Dagmar> Unless your'e trying to test a connection actually completes, it should not be used for any purpose
21:47 <@Shadow404> Wilpig_: it is, just has to be enabled
21:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> telnet is great for seeing if you get a reply
21:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
21:47 <@Wilpig_> Shadow404: by default it isn't installed
21:47 <@Wilpig_> it's an option module now
21:47 <@klixa> i was gonna do art, but no one has a theme
21:47 <@Shadow404> yeah, so does that download it then?
21:47 <@Wilpig_> the install files are all local so it's quick to make available, but it isn't installed
21:47 <@klixa> had*
21:47 <@Shadow404> ahhhh
21:47 <@Shadow404> but the client, why?
21:48 <@Shadow404> security risk?
21:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> does putty do telnet?
21:48 <@klixa> yes RangerZ|Laptop
21:48 <@Wilpig_> I dunno.  I was annoyed when 7 first came out cause I went to test a webserver or an email server, something and had no fucking telnet
21:48 <@klixa> thats one of its manin things it does RangerZ|Laptop
21:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean... i've never used it except for ssh...that I remember
21:48 <@Wilpig_> klixa: the theme is secret, you just weren't allowed to know it.
21:49 <@Shadow404> im using telnet for a remote visulation control panel for the google tv box
21:49 <@klixa> Wilpig_: oh... :/
21:49 <@Wilpig_> klixa is right though, putty does telnet as well as ssh
21:49 <@Shadow404> gonna use telent on my phone during the party to change the visuals, but testing on the laptop for ease of troubleshooting
21:50 <@Shadow404> Wilpig_: but you have to force windows to recognize putty as a telnet client too, which is easy, but still an extra step
21:50 <@Wilpig_> that's only if you're clicking on a telnet link, which who does that?
21:50 <@klixa> Wilpig_: ben mentioned a few times he wnated help wiht artwork, etc...but he wnated to  treat it all casual and dl clipart and stuff... and i was done wasting my time...cause he just konda  had this flippant attitude about it like i shuld just make some stuff for the hell of it and maybe it would be used
21:51 <@klixa> kinda*
21:51 <@klixa> i spent hours one day looking for cyrrillic/russian fonts and old russian war posters
21:51 <@brimstone> Bahhumbug: i've met InfoSecDog
21:52 <@Wilpig_> klixa: if you're bored and want to make something for geeknic.  i'll take it!
21:52 <@Wilpig_> the theme is drunken geeks lost in the woods
21:52 <@Wilpig_> there might be otters.
21:52 <@Dagmar> Banjo Repellent.
21:53 <@Bahhumbug> brimstone: *nod*
21:53 < aestetix_> ok so
21:53 < aestetix_> I saw this tv show that had an incest scene in it. The girl was really hot. Thus the sex was hot. Should I be worried?
21:53 <@klixa> Wilpig_: drunken geeks lost in teh woods with otters, eh?
21:54 <@Bahhumbug> ...
21:54 < aestetix_> I mean they were only brother/sister in the show
21:54 <@Bahhumbug> clicking telnet:// links?
21:54 <@Bahhumbug> Are you nuts?
21:54 <@Wilpig_> might be otters.  otters not guaranteed
21:54 < aestetix_> Not actually related.
21:54 <@klixa> aestetix_: wtf is wrong with you? :/
21:54 < aestetix_> heh
21:55 <@Dagmar> klixa: He needs all his skin dremeled off
21:55 <@Wilpig_> klixa: we need to find a psychology student to find out
21:55 <@klixa> i dont think a dremel will take the skin off the top layer of milk
21:56 <@Wilpig_> you clearly need more dremel playtime
21:56 <@brimstone> klixa: you've never used a dremel, obviously
21:56 <@brimstone> you can fuck up a lot of shit with a dremel
21:56 <@Wilpig_> I used one to drill new holes in steel supports for a juniper chassis
21:56 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed.
21:56 <@klixa> well, i was speaking hyperbolistic... i was saying a dremel is weak
21:56 < aestetix_> Hm.
21:56 < aestetix_> Amber might be able to answer the question
21:56 < aestetix_> Or maybe her parents could
21:57 <@klixa> aestetix_: ?
21:57 <@klixa> she cna answer whats wrong with you?
21:57 < aestetix_> yes
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> I think the bot needs to kick aestetix_ randomly just on general principles.
21:59 <@Dagmar> klixa: If it can strip paint and rust, it can flay.
21:59 <@Bahhumbug> The little brush tip used for removing corrosion / paint would be ideal.
22:00 <@Bahhumbug> But personally I think a hand-held belt sander with ~250 grit would work fine.
22:01 <@Bahhumbug> Or just drag someone along the bed of a planer.
22:01 <@klixa> ouch
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22:03 <@klixa> aestetix_: have you read 50 shades of grey
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22:11 < aestetix_> no
22:11 <@Wilpig_> THUNDERDOME!
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_ is 50 shades of improper
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> Improper's a color, right?
22:13 <@Dagmar> Yes, it's rather similar to blood red, tho'.
22:13 <@Dagmar> One might almost say that he's pink.
22:15 <@Wilpig_> okay.  i'm really gonna get up and do the dishes now.  I swear
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22:16 <@Wilpig_> influx tonight.  how odd....
22:16 < aestetix_> http://theboldandthebeardiful.com
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22:20  * Wilpig_ stares
22:25 < aestetix_> http://theboldandthebeardiful.com/pages/17careless.html
22:25 < aestetix_> this is hilarious
22:32 <@ignotus-sdf> Wilpig_: dot_warner is with me. :) She is larning IRC after the meeting tonight.
22:33 < aestetix_> ignotus-sdf: btw, ping me when you wanna chat about theology more
22:33 <@ignotus-sdf> I certainly will! :)
22:34  * Wilpig_ stares more
22:34 <@ignotus-sdf> We are also watching Free To Play, since that came up.
22:34 < dot_warner> Helllllllooooooooooooooooooooo Nurse! :)
22:34 <@Wilpig_> heh
22:34  * brimstone waves to ignotus-sdf and dot_warner
22:35 < dot_warner> *waves to brimstone
22:35 <@brimstone> dot_warner: try /me waves
22:35 <@Wilpig_> dot_warner: are you feeling creeped out by the internet yet?
22:35 <@Bahhumbug> If not, she will be when aestetix_ starts up.
22:35  * dot_warner waves to brimstone
22:36 <@brimstone> there ya go!
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22:36 < dot_warner> lol no, I've heard plenty from ignotus ;)
22:36 < aestetix_> I'm not that bad
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22:37  * ignotus-sdf waves back at brimstone
22:37 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: I am disappointed at your acquisition
22:37 <@ignotus-sdf> you were right. this movie is pretty awesome!
22:38 <@ignotus-sdf> why is that?
22:38 < aestetix_> ignotus-sdf: Last Temptation of Christ?
22:38 <@Wilpig_>  /msg dot_warner try /kick brimstone I said hands off asshole!
22:38 <@brimstone> DOTA has a crazy culture around it
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22:38 <@Wilpig_> lol
22:38 <@brimstone> oops, wrong /kick
22:38 <@dot_warner> lol!
22:38 <@dot_warner> This is getting pretty funny!
22:38  * brimstone warps out
22:39 < aestetix_> dot_warner: are there any topics that make you uncomfortable?
22:39 <@Wilpig_> i'm really doing the dishes now
22:39 <@Wilpig_> dot_warner: it's best to just ignore him.  you've been warned
22:40 <@ignotus-sdf> I see that hilarity did not ensue in Nashville tonight.
22:40 <@Wilpig_> ignotus-sdf: i'd say that hilarity did ensue
22:40 <@Wilpig_> it's the funny side of insanity
22:40 <@Dagmar> First rule of IRC: We don't talk about multiplayer notepad.
22:40 <@dot_warner> Eh, I'm pretty easy going.
22:41 <@ignotus-sdf> sounds like it. and now I know, I'll go back to your scooter.
22:41 <@ignotus-sdf> Did it ever get found?
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22:42 <@Dickie> hope this wine doesnt give me a headache
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22:47 <@ignotus-sdf> SuMo_D: How's the world?
22:47 <@SuMo_D> pissy
22:47 <@SuMo_D> everythings coming up yellow today... pissing me off
22:49 <@ignotus-sdf> ugh. That doesn't sound good.
22:49 <@Bahhumbug> Join the club.
22:49 <@Bahhumbug> Lot of that going around today.
22:51 < aestetix_> wow
22:51 < aestetix_> http://theboldandthebeardiful.com/pages/41status.html
22:51 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: you'll appreciate that
22:53 <@Bahhumbug> It's cute how you think I click your links.
22:53 <@SuMo_D> I had to go to the hospital to get scans today
22:54 <@SuMo_D> which is always a shitty experience...
22:54 <@SuMo_D> and VERY painful today :/
22:54 <@SuMo_D> and then this "friend" of mine... that wants to try to start a web dev business together
22:54 <@SuMo_D> and has kinda been really overcommunicating for a bit... and kinda dramatic
22:55 <@SuMo_D> didn't respect when I said, hey I'll call you when I get home, which... this isn't the first time... if I don't want to talk, or I don't feel up to it
22:55 <@SuMo_D> especially after 6 hours at the hospital
22:55 <@ignotus-sdf> That certainly requires space.
22:55 <@SuMo_D> and dealing with all the BS that entails including horrible shit pain and weird stuff from CT Contrast
22:56 <@SuMo_D> and you still call me...
22:56 <@SuMo_D> and then text me
22:56 <@SuMo_D> and then IM me
22:56 <@SuMo_D> and then when I call you back and go dude... you gotta quit that... and its not the first time
22:56 <@SuMo_D> gets all dramatic... hangs up the phone, sends me some stuff about how I'm being nasty
22:56 <@SuMo_D> on text
22:57 <@dot_warner> Well I'm off for the night. Gotta get take my medicine and get to bed. Cya all later!
22:57 <@SuMo_D> then has their wife be like... you could have just been nice and let it go you didn't need to bitch at him... after I already explain to hey... I set a boundry, you broke it, it annoyed me... that's it. Also apparently I'm too direct for the south
22:57 <@SuMo_D> cuase ya know... saying hey, you did this thing, it wasn't cool... stop it
22:57 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: Please accept my apologies for my comment before; I was not aware of what you were going through today and I was not trying to make light of it. I am truly sorry you're having such a rough time.
22:57 <@SuMo_D> is too much
22:58 <@SuMo_D> Bahhumbug you're cool <3 no worries mate
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> :)
22:58 <@SuMo_D> its just when hey... I tell you I'll get back to you... I'll get back to you... also this is the same person who talked me into taking a programming course beyond my skill
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22:59 <@SuMo_D> and said that they'd help me learn the necessary SQL and PHP I needed as a prereq but then... didn't
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> There are many people in the world that just don't understand boundaries.
22:59 <@SuMo_D> and then in the class complained a ton... almost bailed on the first time we were supposed to do homework after I scheduled my weekend around it
23:00 <@Bahhumbug> I will be happy to beat this person up for you
23:00  * Bahhumbug flexes
23:00 <@SuMo_D> then IMs me first thing in the morning before class, then talks to me for FOURTY MINUTES on my ride in to class then bitches on IM the whole time and leaves it at "well call me after"
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: are you dating?
23:01 <@SuMo_D> and I tell them the next day I didn't... cause I was like... I am burned out of talking about the class... and they threw a hissy fit
23:01 <@SuMo_D> NO... HE'S MARRIED...
23:01 <@SuMo_D> and she's rad
23:01 <@Bahhumbug> Sounds like someone needs an education in maturity.
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> so?
23:02 <@Bahhumbug> (Like I am one to talk... but still)
23:02 <@SuMo_D> and they're very secure with each other so I dig that... but yeah
23:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> better question... does he WANT to date?
23:02 <@Bahhumbug> You looking?
23:02 <@SuMo_D> its like DUDE.... I haven't had somebody try to talk to me this much since my ex
23:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, I'm looking for someone for dru or amber
23:02 <@Bahhumbug> How about a wilderbeast?
23:02 <@SuMo_D> No I don't think he wants to date, he just wants somebody to help him with his business
23:02 <@SuMo_D> and be his friend
23:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> I thought about prisoners, but they have better things to do
23:03 <@SuMo_D> and yeah I'm very clear about I don't want to date anybody cause I can't deal with being responsible for other people's emotions when I can barely deal with my own shit day to day
23:03 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: Sounds like possibly he is able to relate to you on a personal, professional and possibly academic level and you have similar interests and he's gloomed on to that fact.
23:03 <@SuMo_D> but yeah... this is feeling way too close to that
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> And doesn't understand that it's not always a two-way street.
23:04 <@SuMo_D> Bingo Bahhumbug
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
23:04 <@SuMo_D> I mean I like the dude... I really do, and have a good time hanging out, and I do feel like we could do a lot of cool stuff together
23:04 <@SuMo_D> but....
23:04 <@SuMo_D> I can't deal with the rest of this bullshit
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> Nor should you really have to.
23:05 <@SuMo_D> Nope
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Take care of yourself first and foremost.
23:05 <@SuMo_D> I've been down that road before
23:05 <@SuMo_D> more than once
23:05 <@SuMo_D> and I don't do that shit anymore
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> I have as well.  It's not pleasant.
23:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: take care of yourself 2nd, after your pet cat
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23:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
23:05 <@SuMo_D> its just like... seriously I explained the the situation to him, I was just trying to have a conversation with him, he hangs up on me....
23:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> SuMo_D: this has been a while
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> The term "grow up" does come to mind again.
23:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> months
23:06 <@SuMo_D> and yet he's still IMing me shit about oh I cried after I got off the phone...
23:06 <@SuMo_D> wtf
23:06 <@SuMo_D> emotionally manipulate much?
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> He's trying to play you.
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> And you seem far too smart for that :)
23:06 <@SuMo_D> I don't think its concious
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> No, it most likely isn't.
23:07 <@SuMo_D> I've been giving it to him he's in a rough place with trying to sell their old house and job stuff
23:07 <@SuMo_D> but still... I don't get paid for this
23:07 <@Bahhumbug> Most people I've come across like that during my life have not been aware of what they were doing.  It was the way they were wired.
23:07 <@Bahhumbug> And even when they had it pointed out they didn't see it.
23:07 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ |Laptop what's been awhile?
23:08 < aestetix_> wow
23:08 < aestetix_> http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-07-17/1279383493444.jpg
23:08 <@Bahhumbug> (And then there's the purposeful manipulators such as those we all know)
23:08 < aestetix_> this is amazing
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23:08 <@Bahhumbug> Enough
23:08 <@Bahhumbug> That constant nonsense is tiresome.
23:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b *!~aestetix@173.203.197.*] by Bahhumbug
23:09 <@SuMo_D> lol awww but its aestetix_
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> It's _always_ aestetix.
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> He needs a new hobby.
23:10 <@SuMo_D> probably
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23:10 <@Bahhumbug> Besides, for once there is a serious conversation here.
23:10 < aestetix_> howdy
23:10 < aestetix_> what did I miss?
23:10 <@SuMo_D> meh... its just about my day
23:10 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_: Can you please cease that infantile prattle?
23:10 < aestetix_> Which prattle?
23:10 <@SuMo_D> ignotus-sdf asked
23:10 < aestetix_> The link?
23:10 <@Bahhumbug> SuMo_D: And your day seems more important than the constant shitstorm of PN crap in here :)
23:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: The prattle I'm going to *skin* you for if you don't stop
23:10 <@Bahhumbug> I will hold you down for him, too.
23:11 <@SuMo_D> yeah I haven't been paying attention
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> And I have rolls of plastic sheeting.
23:11 <@Dagmar> In case you haven't noticed we have idiots accusing us of generally uncivilized behaviour and YOU ARE NOT HELPING MATTERS.
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have some twine
23:11 <@SuMo_D> but I guess hey... yes.. PN... shitstorm those two would go together
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: at this point, it doesn't matter
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> I have access to propophol.
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> (sp?)
23:11 <@Dagmar> It matters
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> they will say we planned 911 soon
23:11 <@Bahhumbug> I agree with Dagmar.  It all matters.
23:12 <@Bahhumbug> It's all about appearances.
23:12 <@Dagmar> Well, it's a good thing I've already gone on record as not-so-secretly being Hitler.
23:12 <@Dagmar> Once word of that gets out they'll forget all about 9/11
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23:13 <@Dagmar> Also, it's rather completely been _done to death_ at this point
23:13 <@Dagmar> It's not really serving a useful purpose anymore
23:13 <@Bahhumbug> I thought it used to be in the channel entrymsg.
23:13 <@Bahhumbug> There you're just a great overlord.
23:13 <@Dagmar> Yes, we're on the internet.  ...for longer than an hour.  We've all seen worse.
23:13 <@Dagmar> But still.
23:13 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Correction... I am an awesome overlord.
23:13 <@Dagmar> I hate it when people get the details wrong
23:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> so says the overlord
23:14 <@Dagmar> As to the 4chan link, dude needs to man up and decide who runs things
23:14 <@Bahhumbug> ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: The entry message for #se2600 has been set to beware of dagmar the awesome overlord
23:14 <@SuMo_D> so what's up with the con? Amber is in charge with Johnnyx?
23:14 <@Dagmar> If he can't keep the little man in check, he should fold the damn thing in half
23:15 <@SuMo_D> what could possibly go wrong
23:15 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: I can think of a lot of things.  Some of them involving ball pits.
23:15 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, I'm clueless.
23:15 <@Bahhumbug> What is this "ball pits" you keep referring to?
23:15 <@eryc> the link was pretty funny aestetix_
23:15 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: dru thinks that everyone is out to get him
23:15 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: I'm trying to not be completely dour about it, but I'm half tempted to go 'shop the HI logo onto some plastic balls and anonymously post them to imgur as PN18 swag
23:16 <@eryc> i'm a little baffled by the idea of pee bottles tho
23:16 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Oh holy shit you didn't hear about Dashcon?
23:16 < RangerZ> eryc: i'm not, live in the NE for a while
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> I ignored all that.
23:16 <@Bahhumbug> I can go look it up now that I have a reference.
23:16 < RangerZ> my friend in boston kept a bottle in her car incase she got stuck in a snow storm again
23:16 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar you should totally do that
23:16 < RangerZ> b/c she had to pee in a cup before....outside...
23:17 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Right so... Who would have ever guessed that a website that collects professional navel gazers and wins General Motor's Echo Chamber Of The Year Award hands down would have people who might have dodgy organizational skills?
23:17 <@SuMo_D> wouldn't be excessive use of the word balls be a violation of the con code of conduct?
23:17 <@eryc> i wouldn't bother with a cup if i was outside
23:17 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: The TL;DR is a bunch of Tumblrites decided to hold a 'con, which they *epically* misplanned and screwed up coming and going
23:17 <@eryc> and if you're trapped in a snowstorm you pee wherever you damn well please
23:18 <@ignotus-sdf> Don't eat the yellow snow.
23:18 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Among other things, they had this giant activities room, where they supplied 1) a bouncy castle and 2) an 8x8 plastic ball pit, a la McDonalds
23:18 <@eryc> i went to a fetish party recently and watched naked girls wrestling in an 8x8 ball pit
23:18 <@ignotus-sdf> I think the concept of a Con was closer with the roasted pig thing.
23:18 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: They screwed things up so badly that the people for what was practically their headline, Welcome To Night Vale, actually _walked out_
23:19 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: At one point, someone who may or may not have been official to the con told everyone that if they'd paid the extra money to see Welcome To Night Vale perform live, as consolation they'd get _an extra hour in the ball pit_
23:19 <@Dagmar> For this and SOOO many other reasons, they basically became the laughing stock of the 'con circuit
23:20 <@Bahhumbug> I knew it was an abysmal trainwreck.
23:20 <@Dagmar> At least BronyCon managed to pull their shit out of the fire and trick a decent shady bar into letting them have a drinking fest there
23:20 <@eryc> i don't know how you expect a con to be good when its all losers attending
23:21 <@Bahhumbug> I still laugh whenever I think that BronyCon and the whole Brony movement is a real thing.
23:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> I just want to see another DashCon
23:21 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I figured by now Dru would be rational enough to _see_ that he's fucking up with both hands, but apparently he's just too convinced that all these problems are a matter of no one helping or doing anything and an active conspiracy to wreck things
23:22 <@Dagmar> eryc: I thought they might have, you know, contacted some other cons and find out how to make things happen
23:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> the thing that gets me.... amber and everyone else is fine, it was YOU and ME that drew the girls away
23:23 <@Dagmar> Hell, I'd have spent the rest of the entire weekend drinking Full Throttle and kicking ass to get things up to speed if he hadn't decided to be a contentious twat about it
23:23 <@eryc> there's gonna be a dashcon 2
23:23 <@eryc> they renamed it to Emoti-con
23:23 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'm just stunned that he didn't listen to me when I said I had heard the idea come out of her mouth
23:23 <@Dagmar> Like, I specifically suggested a "Men's Only Room" to piss her off
23:24 <@Dagmar> I would have followed through with it, too
23:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> "ohh I don't know what you said"
23:24 <@eryc> for equality's sake you need a closet to designate as the women's room
23:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'sure'
23:24 <@Dagmar> I would have done a bit of really questionable research and identified a couple of attractive, _wholesome_ young women, to come and give a private showing, made damn sure they were paid well, and personally chucked anyone who behaved like less than a total gentlman off the roof
23:25 <@eryc> or just relabel the women's bathroom
23:25 <@Dagmar> That way we can say not only are we NOT jackasses around here, but that we can also behave civilly and politely in the face of nude, gyrating exotic dancers.
23:26 <@Dagmar> Because if you can behave like an actual gentlemen in a "gentlemen's club", you don't have any excuses for slipping up elsewhere
23:26 <@ignotus-sdf> This whole thing sounds like a grade-A mess.
23:26 <@Bahhumbug> If you want to REALLY piss people off the women's room needs to be a kitchen.
23:26 <@Dagmar> Notably I am *not* suggesting crazy sexist shit
23:27 <@Dagmar> I'm perfectly prepared to respond to claims that strippers are by default sexist and "not okay" by simply stating "Neither is slut shaming"
23:27 <@Dagmar> Ain't nothing wrong with being naked
23:27 <@Dagmar> Mostly.
23:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> we're all for them having male strippers
23:27 <@Bahhumbug> Depends on the naked.
23:27 <@Dagmar> ...provided someone's reasonably healthy.
23:27 <@Dagmar> Honestly, I would have gotten one of those too
23:28 <@Dagmar> Like, if someone wanted to make the argument for "equal time" I would have fronted the dough on that
23:28 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MNaJu5zya0
23:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dashcon Simulator 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:28 <@Dagmar> We went to strip clubs at Edge.Net for desensitization purposes and it has served me well
23:29 <@Bahhumbug> Do you have any idea how load the screaming from crazybitch would be if you had strippers?
23:29 <@Dagmar> I can behave like a perfect gentlemen under any adverse conditions
23:29 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: OH YES
23:29 <@Dagmar> I DO.
23:29 <@Bahhumbug> I would be able to hear it here in Manchester before she blew out her vocal cords.
23:29 <@Bahhumbug> It might just cause her to stroke out.
23:29 <@Dagmar> Tell me more!
23:29 <@Bahhumbug> So if you got foward with this I might just chip in.
23:29 <@Bahhumbug> err, go forward.
23:30 <@Dagmar> heheh
23:30 <@eryc> i'll chip in $20
23:30 <@eryc> just so i can hear about it
23:30 <@Dagmar> I know LOTS of guys would be down for throwing money at strippers
23:30 <@Dagmar> We have a three foot rule or something in Nashville, so I wouldn't even have to worry about people insisting on "tucking" the bills
23:31 <@Dagmar> That's always felt a little sketchy to me
23:31 <@Bahhumbug> I am not interested in attending, with or without strippers.  I just want to help her stroke out.
23:31 <@Dagmar> <--totally fine with simply _handing_ the girls money
23:31 <@Dagmar> ...and gracious compliments on their physique and athletic ability.
23:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly... I've never quite understood paying to get blueball.... but thats just me
23:32 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm with Ranger.
23:32 <@Dagmar> It's about appreciation of aesthetics... not pointlessly getting your hopes up.
23:32 <@Dagmar> I've seen some girls do things on brass poles that you would lose serious money betting against even being possible.
23:32 <@Dagmar> Serious, physics-defying things.
23:32 <@Bahhumbug> Some of those moves defy the laws of physics.
23:33 <@Dagmar> There's definitely an art form there
23:33 <@Bahhumbug> I find that more interesting than the bodies doing it.
23:33 <@Dagmar> Same here.
23:34 <@Dagmar> They don't even have to have the naughty bits exposed, although I do understand that perhaps nylon unitards plus brass poles generally equals serious injury
23:34 <@Bahhumbug> It's a form of gymnastics and I've always appreciate gymnastics for the pure phsyical conditioning aspect.
23:34 <@Dagmar> Sadly, due to prudishness and slut shaming, there will probably never be a vertical bar event at the Olympics
23:34 <@Dagmar> At least not while I've still got functional organics
23:35 <@Dagmar> At a close second if they'd just give some of those gymnast girls some tonfa and ceremonial krysknives I think it would really liven things up
23:37 <@Bahhumbug> heh
23:38 <@ignotus-sdf> We WERE discussing Klingons earlier...
23:38 <@ignotus-sdf> am1n0: we missed you tonight. Next month?
23:40 <@Dagmar> HAHAH check this out
23:40 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs
23:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Volcano Eruption in Papua New Guinea - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> nice
23:41 <@Dagmar> Man I love high-def cameras
23:41 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZYq-c5OdGw reccomended after that
23:41 < RangerZ> LOL
23:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Pug goes crazy in his first ball pit! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:41 <@Dagmar> heheheh
23:42 < aestetix_> http://tidbits.com/article/14696
23:42 < aestetix_> The comments are amazing.
23:42 <@Wilpig_> BOOBS!
23:42 <@Wilpig_> fuck you nerds.  BOOOBS!
23:43 <@Bahhumbug> That's something to consider.  Perhaps we could drop crazybitch into a volcano and fix two issues at once: 1) appease the fire gods and 2) well, that one's obvious.
23:43 < RangerZ> Wilpig_: stop staring at your man boobs in the mirror
23:44 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: or you could cause the world to enter into damnation by angering the fire gods with such a sacrafice
23:44 <@Bahhumbug> That might be ok as well.
23:45 <@Bahhumbug> We're mostly fucked now anyway.
23:45 < RangerZ> that would make Old Yellowstone errupt
23:45 < RangerZ> and cause the extintion of the human race
23:45 <@Bahhumbug> It's time the roaches had a chance.
23:46 <@Dagmar> The only good thing about that is that it will probably cause a lot of people to go out and *lynch* every legistlator responsible for allowing fracking
23:48 <@Bahhumbug> There are always silver linings.
23:48 < RangerZ> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48156684/vivtest.swf HAHAHAH
23:48 < RangerZ> 4chan making games
23:48 < RangerZ> to mock ...of course
23:52 <@Dagmar> LOL
23:52 <@Wilpig_> lol
23:53 <@Wilpig_> "no, you're too big.  go away
23:53 <@Wilpig_> haha
23:53 <@Dagmar> No idea how to get past the next room where it talks about down+jump
23:53 < RangerZ> hit CTRL
23:53 < RangerZ> and switch weapons
23:53 <@Dagmar> That changes weapons.
23:53 < RangerZ> and the 'ray' gun
23:54 <@Dagmar> OKay that explains what the little webcam things are for
23:55 <@Wilpig_> oh go back wher eyou came from
23:55 <@Wilpig_> the down and jump makes her roll like samus
23:55 <@Dagmar> dYes, but I don't see any way past the room after the boss
23:56 <@Wilpig_> go back
23:56 <@Wilpig_> back wher eyou came from, there are some pipes to roll through
23:57 < RangerZ> firing my laaaaaazzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
23:58 <@Wilpig_> heh.
23:59 <@Wilpig_> that's where I got and got annoyed with it
23:59 <@Dagmar> aAhah
23:59 <@Wilpig_> the other weapons were amusing
23:59 <@Dagmar> You can go back to _past_ where you started
23:59 <@Dagmar> Flying Reddits
23:59 <@Wilpig_> the hook bait book that could grapple
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