--- Log opened Wed Sep 03 00:00:38 2014
00:10 < RangerZ> so it appears chrome doesn't handle long lists of bookmarks well
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01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they are calling it Celebgate
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS-pqYRqS-o except Machinima
01:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Celeb Nudes LEAKED - The Fappening - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> holy fuck... this is the only reporting that has actually gone and reported things that are relevant
01:18 <@Dagmar> Machinia is smart enough to want to sty out of the SJW drama
01:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> their comments have that covered for them ;)
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01:23 <@Dagmar> The last two lines made the whole thing twisted
01:23 <@Dagmar> I know dude was standing there topless in solidarity, but...
01:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah...
01:26 <@Dagmar> http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/140902-groot-phone-hacking-690-570.jpg
01:26 <@Dagmar> hehe hhehehe eheheh heh heh
01:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> so yeah... earlier I uninstalled chrome, and deleted all files, etc... and then reinstalled, and chrome sync of bookmarks would crash it every time
01:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I think they borked that in the newest update
01:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
01:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: so you going to spoof all the NFC stuff of nintendo? lol
01:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> I know Wilpig_ tired to with skylanders stuff
01:34 <@Dagmar> NFC stuff?
01:34 <@Dagmar> I've not even seen the new 3DS units yet
01:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJivIl1WHao long video
01:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: A Closer Look at Nintendos New 3DS - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> the bottom screen is a NFC reader
01:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> and writer
01:35 <@Dagmar> Still not very interested
01:35 <@Dagmar> I'm sure we can set up a HomePass relay of some kind
01:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, I'm more interested in it from a techy standpoint, b/c the games... just nothing other than smash
01:36 <@Dagmar> Being that NFC doesn't really do smart-chip stuff under normal circumstances, spoofing them would be pretty easy
01:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, they make NFC tags that do public key crypto
01:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> let me rephrase... they COULD, i've never seen one for sale
01:37 <@Dagmar> In practice they are almost never used.
01:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, though... THOSE would be good for scavenger hunts or CTF or something
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> or at this rate.... better for starting carts
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> cars*
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/09/32-tennessee-teens-go-all-shawshank-and-escape-from-juvie/379447/
01:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: 32 Tennessee Teens Go All Shawshank and Escape from Juvie - The Wire (at www.thewire.com)
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you're a fan of urban fantasy right?
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02:24 <@Dagmar> Somewhat
02:51 <@Dagmar> CeeLo Green: Precisely the type of person who is a member of "rape culture", unlike the rest of us
02:51 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/now-trending/Cee-Lo-Green-makes-offensive-tweets-about-rape-deletes-account-273645971.html
02:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cee Lo Green makes offensive tweets about rape, deletes account - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
03:17 < aestetix> fuck me
03:17 < aestetix> Dagmar: you'll love this one
03:18 < aestetix> If you write a report for public release and mention a group you've interacted with, it's generally a good idea to check with the group before you report on what they said, right?
03:19 < aestetix> I mean, if I'm totally wrong please correct me
03:22 < aestetix> IDESG just released a draft of their strategic plan which mentions their interactions with Nym Rights, and captures what our "interests" are. They didn't bother asking first.
03:27 <@Dagmar> Usually yeah.
03:28 <@Dagmar> ...but the fix is in there, so it's not like they're really planning on taking any input seriously.
03:28 <@Dagmar> They've clearly already decided that "identity" means "being able to arrest you"
03:28 < aestetix> Luckily they have a public mailing list that you can send emails to :)
03:41 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?321163-1/aclu-v-clapper-oral-argument-phone-record-surveillance
03:41 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: you'll like that
04:10 < aestetix> Dagmar: luckily, it turns out government stooges are extremely bad at social engineering
04:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> I don't have time to watch 1.75hrs
04:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> anypoint in particular?
04:27 < aestetix> Wow I just thought of something awful
04:27 < aestetix> Imagine if someone cast a smell on you where your dick was hard all the time, and only got soft when you were aroused
04:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> spell?
04:30 < aestetix> yes
04:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> and also... Cspan has a better web-player than ANY fucking cable company
05:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> the Judge's questions are the best phrasing of all these issues I've heard
05:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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07:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:24 <@Dolemite> Had to clean my glasses.  Apparently screem -r isn't a valid unix command.
07:46 <@Wilpig_> heh.
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08:15 <@Wilpig_> and the systemd debate continues
08:15 <@Wilpig_> I might have finally stopped it with "it has a dhcpserver for fucks sake"
08:15 <@brimstone> Wilpig_: i know, it's almost a complete operating system
08:15 <@Wilpig_> systemd having a webserver didn't phase him.  qr code generation, "maybe thta library was just included for some reason"
08:16 <@Wilpig_> I went back to scope creep and it isn't replacing initv, it's making a new OS inside the OS.
08:17 <@Wilpig_> calling lennart a raving lunatic was just a personal attack and had nothing to do with systemd
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08:18 <@brimstone> huh, why doesn't systemd use reiserfs?
08:18 <@brimstone> speaking of raving lunatics
08:21 <@Bahhumbug> because Red Hat doesn't support murderfs and Red Hat pays Lennart and Sievers.
08:21 <@Bahhumbug> But it _DOES_ have a btrfs manager.
08:21 <@Bahhumbug> Because... init.
08:22 <@brimstone> back in my day, /sbin/init didn't care what filesystem it used
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08:22 <@brimstone> ignotus-sdf: 2600 friday?
08:23 <@ignotus-sdf> yup! :D
08:24 <@Bahhumbug> Back in my day ss -ptuna didn't show pid 1 listening to ports, either.
08:27 <@Wilpig_> I can understand systemd using sockets to start and stop services, but it shouldn't be in the core module
08:29 <@brimstone> also, local sockets, not network sockets
08:29 <@brimstone> supervisord has a http server for managing services though, which is kind neat
08:29 <@Wilpig_> I could make a weak argument for network sockets.
08:30 <@brimstone> ^^ my weak argument
08:30 <@Wilpig_> it would be very weak
08:33 <@Wilpig_> my weak argument for network sockets would be remote daemon polling.
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10:45 <@ignotus-sdf> SuMo_D: How are you doing?
10:47 <@SuMo_D> doing ok
10:47 <@SuMo_D> yourself?
11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> Pretty well. It's good to hear.
11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> :)
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11:39 <@Mirage> Dolemite: If you see this, you need to check it out.  http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/418/104012/
11:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: Fade To Black (Volume 5 - Black Rye Ale) | Left Hand Brewing Company | Longmont, CO | BeerAdvocate (at www.beeradvocate.com)
11:39 <@Mirage> Dolemite: Tasty..just watch out for the 7.8ABV.
11:55 <@Mirage> aestetix: is that your excuse for not being able to get it up?  You've been hexed?
11:56  * Mirage * catching up from 3:30am conversation
11:56 <@Wilpig_> I was just about to ask wtf
11:57 <@Mirage> Wilpig_: I'm multitasking poorly and realised after replying that i was still scrolled back in history.
11:58 <@Wilpig_> haha
11:59 <@shapr> yow!
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12:04 <@Wilpig_> well.. that's better than hopping
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12:10 <@oddball> Tempted to respond to all the posts to the Dragoncon FB group bitching about people taking pictures of cosplayers "without permission" with "ummmm... you gave permission by buying a badge.  No, seriously, it's on the back of the badge."
12:11 <@Mirage> if they don't want ppl taking pictures, why do they bother dressing up at the con?
12:11 <@oddball> There's that too.
12:12 <@oddball> I understand bitching about the pervs drooling over you and creeping you out, but...
12:13 <@Dickie> I ask because it's polite.
12:13 <@Dickie> And what the fuck's wrong with being polite?
12:13 <@oddball> Oh, yes.  I'm all for being polite.  It also means that you have a better chance of getting a good picture.
12:15 <@oddball> That said, I've seen people bitch that folks take quick snap shots while walking by or, horror of horrors, join in on taking pictures after someone else has already asked and getting a posed shot why others are taking pictures.
12:20 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I will be on the lookout for that
12:40 < aestetix_> uhhhhh
12:40 < aestetix_> oddball: were any of the people complaining cosplayers?
12:42 <@oddball> Just about all of them.
12:42 < aestetix_> oh ok
12:43 < aestetix_> So were they just mad that photos of themselves were getting posted online?
12:43 <@oddball> No, just that they were taken without the person asking first.
12:44 <@oddball> These weren't upskirt shots or anything.
12:44 <@Wilpig_> damnit.  got my hopes up
12:44 <@Wilpig_> nothing better than an upskirt of a fat dude wearing a picachu outfit
12:44 <@oddball> heh
12:44 <@Wilpig_> with a kilt.
12:44 < aestetix_> Wilpig_: don't worry, I'm sure emperor Testiclus can send you an upskirt photo
12:44 <@Wilpig_> jsut to paint that picture clearly
12:45 <@oddball> ok, time for me to get goin.
12:46 <@Wilpig_> gotta go pick up your picachu suit from the cleaners?
12:48 <@Dickie> You never see two cosplayers bickering about that
12:48 <@Dickie> It's like feminists
12:48 <@Dickie> I want to see the discussion between the "Video game armor is ridiculously revealing" lady vs the "PIV sex is rape" lady
12:58 <@Wilpig_> I just don't understand that argument at all
12:58 <@Wilpig_> pretty sure all of the women I know would dispute that
13:02 <@Dolemite> Wilpig_: Dammit.  Too bad I will be at scout camp on Halloween or I could make your costume idea come to life.
13:02 <@Wilpig_> frightening
13:02  * shapr hops quietly around Wilpig_ 
13:03 <@Wilpig_> with it being halloween you can claim you were just dressing up as counselor touchy feely it's just our secret.
13:03 <@Wilpig_> oh.  that kinda felt too far.  yeah too far
13:05 <@Wilpig_> sitting around a campfire telling stories and it starts off with.  "it was a camp just like this one, but they didn't know how to keep a secret"
13:05 <@Wilpig_> okay I quit now.  I swear
13:06 <@Dolemite> It's a camp for leadership training, so no scouts around, sorry
13:07 <@Wilpig_> just a bunch of old men out in the woods for a weekend? sounds kinda gay....
13:07 <@Dolemite> men and women
13:07 <@Dolemite> and it's not gay if you don't kiss
13:08 <@Mirage> Dolemite: do you at least skip and hold hands?
13:08 <@Dolemite> No, too many old farts for skipping
13:08 <@ignotus-sdf> Mirage: I think this convo is about to get nudged off the ledge... and then go horribly wrong.
13:09 <@Mirage> ignotus-sdf: I think it started out that way and has been walking the cusp
13:09 <@Wilpig_> It started off over the ledge and has been clawing back up to civilized
13:10 <@Wilpig_> I kinda expected notlarry to chime in at least once there
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13:32 < RangerZ> https://medium.com/@andreaszecher/open-letter-to-the-gaming-community-df4511032e8a
13:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Open letter to the gaming community — Medium (at medium.com)
13:32 < RangerZ> such a waste of time
13:35 <@SuMo_D> why?
13:36 <@SuMo_D> trolls can't read?
13:37 < RangerZ> ohh they can, but as someone who has started to have to deal with trolls (coursera isn't immune)
13:37 < RangerZ> and dealing with crazypants.... (yes that actually does have influence here)... You're not going to reach someone who is doing it for those reasons
13:39 < RangerZ> hell pew-die-pie the largest youtuber of them all... has completely disabled ALL comments on his videos forever
13:39 <@SuMo_D> speaking of
13:39 <@SuMo_D> I saw you guys have a code of conduct for PN
13:39 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: question for you
13:39 <@SuMo_D> also no speakers
13:39 < RangerZ> HAHAHAHA
13:39 < RangerZ> thank you
13:39 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: the speakers are on the program page
13:39 < RangerZ> you answered my question
13:40 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: the "drop down" menu icons are 'pages' too
13:40 < RangerZ> thats were stuff is hidden
13:41 <@SuMo_D> ok, it didn't look like any were listed when I checked a few days ago
13:42 <@Wilpig_> SuMo_D: you're not alone.
13:43 <@SuMo_D> anyway, I need to go... oncologist apt :/
13:43 <@Wilpig_> SuMo_D: make him buy you dinner first!
13:43 <@SuMo_D> getting tests back and not sure about how they'll be today... things have been weird lately
13:43 <@SuMo_D> she.... is awesome and would happily spend time with her over a meal
13:43 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: did you see why Scalia is trending today?
13:43 < RangerZ> huh?
13:43 <@SuMo_D> latoooor
13:44 < RangerZ> later SuMo_D, good luck
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13:44 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dna-evidence-clears-inmate-death-row
13:44 < RangerZ> i read that as 'scala' at first
13:44 < RangerZ> and i was like... what
13:44 <@Corydon76-home> Scalia had a huge argument 20 years ago about capital punishment, and this guy was the crux of his argument
13:45 <@Corydon76-home> This guy... who turned out to be innocent all along
13:45 < RangerZ> ahh
13:45 < RangerZ> I've never understood why we have the death penalty
13:45 <@Corydon76-home> To satisfy our desire for revenge
13:45 < RangerZ> why not just put all the child pedos and the killers on alcatraz island
13:46 <@Corydon76-home> Why not just send them to Australia, like Britain used to do?
13:46 < RangerZ> or even better, a more remote desolate place, where no one goes, like Eastern TN
13:46 < RangerZ> ;)
13:46 < RangerZ> lol
13:47 < RangerZ> but seriously, I would rather die than spend my entire life in prison
13:47  * Dolemite rochambeaus RangerZ
13:47 < RangerZ> Dolemite: hehe
13:47 < RangerZ> wondered if you were gonna catch that
13:47 <@Corydon76-home> You do live in a prison of sorts
13:48 <@Corydon76-home> A prison of the mind, called Vanderbilt
13:48 < RangerZ> nah, I don't have to drink the HR coolaid
13:48 < RangerZ> or more importantly... have to report to ITS
13:49 < RangerZ> or now VUIT*
13:56 < RangerZ> just wait until we have space colonies
13:57 < RangerZ> we'll have prison colony  as like 4th or 5th large one
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> Imagine being the law enforcement officer who gets to bring an innocent man home from one of those
14:04 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
14:04 < RangerZ> facerig has DOGE
14:05 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0N-0sH3LGM
14:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Facerig -Doge Sings Paradise - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:27 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/31/putin-threatens-nuclear-war-over-ukraine.html
14:27 <@Corydon76-home> Time to revive the bomb shelters
14:31 < RangerZ> I have the feeling that a russian general would coup if putin orders that shit
14:31 < RangerZ> a russian has already defied orders and stopped a nuclear war twice
14:32 < RangerZ> both were because of sensor malfunctions saying that the US had sent _1_ missle towards them
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> Nuclear deterrence only works if someone is willing to use those weapons
14:47 <@Corydon76-home> Or, at the very least, if your opponent BELIEVES you're likely to use those weapons
14:48 < notlarry> Or your opponent BELIEVES you have a fail-deadly device in place.
14:55 < aestetix_> We could put all the murderers and pedophiles into a room together
14:55 < aestetix_> And take bets on who gets out alive
14:57 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: you realize that discussion started out from a person who was wrongly convicted and was sitting on death row, don't you?
14:57 < aestetix_> Nope. I just saw the bit about whether capital punishment is ok
14:58 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: that said, I do not believe in the death penalty, and this is one of the reasons.
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> So we'll call you a pedophile and stick you in a room with murderers... and when we figure out that you might be innocent, you'll already be dead...
14:59 < aestetix_> If you catch me in the act with a group of babies, then .... sure. I deserve that.
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> What if someone just alleges it, and we stick you in that room until trial?
15:02 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: you are taking my silly example way too literally.
15:02 < aestetix_> maybe a few vaginas will clear the air
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15:05 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2fc62m/tifu_by_letting_my_boyfriend_finger_me/
15:19 <@CRasH180> blame it on the boogy
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16:20 <@rattle> http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/54011183.jpg
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16:23 < aestetix_> Well, that answers a bit question
16:23 < aestetix_> big
16:23 < aestetix_> "This partially chewed, slowly rotting matter will continue to accumulate, as the zombie devours more victims, until it is forced through the anus, or literally bursts through the stomach or intestinal lining."
16:23 < aestetix_> Turns out zombies do not poop
16:28 <@rattle> Source?
16:29 < RangerZ> rattle: good for you, roll-over captures sucks
16:29 < RangerZ> lol
16:34 < aestetix_> RangerZ: someone from reddit was apparently quoting from World War Z
16:35 < RangerZ> in rattle's meme?
16:35 < RangerZ> or your quote
16:35 < aestetix_> er, rattle is what I meant
16:39 < RangerZ> I watched some doctor talk about if 'zombies' ever do exist, b/c of some weird fungus or virus , etc... it is likely that they would likely be just alive humans who have lost control of their thoughts (possibly due to brain chemical alterations), so therefore they act-semi-intelligently, but not complexly... and live off of basic animal instincts, or that they would lose the ability all together to even eat/etc.
16:39 < RangerZ> unless you get into 'magic' theories ;) lol
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17:02 <@SuMo_D> blood work is clean
17:02 <@SuMo_D> woo freakin' hoo
17:03 < RangerZ> no vampirism this time?
17:03 <@SuMo_D> but just infected again... blarg
17:03 < RangerZ> we told you to stop letting those creepy guys bite you
17:03 <@SuMo_D> no but I do have chimerisim
17:03 < RangerZ> failed split of twins?
17:04 <@SuMo_D> stem cell transplant
17:04 < RangerZ> ahh
17:04 < RangerZ> 2 XX?
17:04 <@SuMo_D> my blood is a different DNA than my tissues
17:04 <@SuMo_D> something like that
17:04 < RangerZ> if you're otherwise healthy, i'd almost guess you'd have to be
17:05 < RangerZ> too bad you don't have different color eyes
17:05 < RangerZ> lol
17:06 < RangerZ> does that mean anything when it comes to blood transfusions, or possible organ donations, etc
17:06 < RangerZ> "There are some reports of human chimerism.[1]"
17:06 < RangerZ> LOL
17:07 <@SuMo_D> I have a thing in my wallet that says "this person has had a stem cell transplant and has special transfusion needs call the Seattle Blood bank"
17:08 <@SuMo_D> so yeah kinda terrified of getting in wreck and people not seeing shit like that
17:08 <@SuMo_D> I don't think I can have organ donations
17:08 < RangerZ> well by definition, we're all "kinda" that way anyways, since we all have different DNA in midocondria, and all that
17:08 <@SuMo_D> or give mine? I'm not sure
17:08 < RangerZ> well, that kinda sucks
17:08 < aestetix_> wow
17:08 <@SuMo_D> my blood type changed
17:08 < aestetix_> Oakland might be on the verge of something groundbreaking :)
17:08 <@SuMo_D> B+ => O+
17:08 < RangerZ> well thats good
17:09 <@SuMo_D> oh yeah aestetix_
17:09 < RangerZ> o+ = universal acceptor
17:09 < aestetix_> hi SuMo_D
17:09 < RangerZ> you can leach off anyone (maybe)
17:09 <@SuMo_D> everyone come back from Burning man and go LETS CHANGE THE WORLD!
17:09 < aestetix_> hahah
17:09 < RangerZ> (normally , at least)
17:09 <@SuMo_D> yeah RangerZ I've had ~ 30 tranfusions
17:09 <@SuMo_D> I hopefully won't have any more for awhile
17:09 < RangerZ> never had one, thankfully
17:10 <@SuMo_D> hi aestetix_ :)
17:10 < RangerZ> aestetix_: or did they go to burning man, and decide they never wanted to have to waste that much money again, so they are going to turn oakland port into a year round burningman?
17:10 <@SuMo_D> hey have you run into DM? he's been haunting the bay recently I know he's been hanging with Mitch
17:10 < aestetix_> hahah
17:10 < aestetix_> oh cool
17:10 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: no, I've been a hermit
17:11 < RangerZ> The Fappening hit him hard
17:11 < aestetix_> Although I am debating doing a 5mof talk this month on Uber
17:11 < RangerZ> HE almost needed a liquids transfusion himself
17:11 <@SuMo_D> he and his girl split (which I was very in favor of) and he's like friends! yes!
17:11 < aestetix_> oh fun
17:12 < RangerZ> I still say that Uber itself isn't a bad thing, but the fact that people feel the need to be Uber drivers IS
17:12 <@SuMo_D> so why is the bay on the edge of something?
17:13 < RangerZ> or more precisely , "of what" too
17:13 < aestetix_> RangerZ: there are many issues with Uber
17:13 <@SuMo_D> They were recruiting hard for Uber here for a bit... I thought about it... but since there's no way to screen riders... ummm... no
17:13 < aestetix_> For example, they waive all liability for their drives
17:13 < aestetix_> drivers
17:13 <@SuMo_D> too many unpredictable factors out here
17:13 < aestetix_> So if you're taking an uber, and get into an accident, Uber will not pay your hospital bills. Nor do they check to make sure the driver has insurance.
17:14 < RangerZ> aestetix_: they can't
17:14 < aestetix_> Uber also does not do background checks on their drivers, which has lead to several instances of sexual assault.
17:14 < RangerZ> otherwise they won't be able to profitable
17:14 < RangerZ> lol
17:14 < RangerZ> but ignoring uber
17:14 <@SuMo_D> yeah.... that's pretty fucked
17:14 < aestetix_> uh
17:14 < RangerZ> whats up with oakland
17:14 <@Bahhumbug> And the liability is on Uber.
17:15 < RangerZ> god damn it aestetix_, take your adderoll
17:15 < aestetix_> RangerZ: we're about a month away from releasing our data privacy policy
17:15 < RangerZ> lol
17:15 < aestetix_> The first city in the country to have a privacy policy written by citizens
17:15 < RangerZ> thats cool, did you find out who "owns" the video recorded at the port?
17:15 < aestetix_> So that gets tricky.
17:15 < aestetix_> We have no jurisdiction over the port.
17:16 < aestetix_> The way the DAC is set up, it's sort of like a youtube, where they can stream video that's from the port cameras
17:16 < aestetix_> So the port owns all that video. But we can request say a 10 second clip of a crime happening.
17:17 < aestetix_> by we I mean the DAC
17:17 < aestetix_> But that's where it is now. There are political forces who are going to try to expand it. And we've written the policy to accomodate tht.
17:21 <@SuMo_D> gtg ttyl
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17:26 < aestetix_> ok so
17:26 < aestetix_> anyone here familiar with CJIS?
17:26 < aestetix_> "Criminal Justice Information Services"
17:29 < RangerZ> which aspect of it?
17:31 < aestetix_> well
17:31 < aestetix_> First, I'm interested in what their data security standards are
17:31 < aestetix_> I'm researching it right now
17:31 < RangerZ> we covered it some in my Cyber Forensics course, b/c the prof was (i forget acronym right now) but Ohio's FBI equivilent
17:32 < RangerZ> hmm
17:32 < aestetix_> oh cool
17:32 < aestetix_> basically those are the standards DAC is using
17:32 < aestetix_> I'm familiar with some government standards, but not those
17:32 < RangerZ> IIRC it depends on the data
17:32 < aestetix_> figures :p
17:33 < RangerZ> because background is lets say a 5, then gun checks are a 3, etc
17:34 < RangerZ> I think they also have the DB of pedofile images, which are a 8/9 for viewing, a 4 for checking hashes against
17:34 < RangerZ> etc
17:35 < RangerZ> Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation**
17:36 <@Neoteric> http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
17:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Details for North America /// Internet Traffic Report (at www.internettrafficreport.com)
17:37 <@Neoteric> wtf is up ?
17:37 < aestetix_> Neoteric: comcast?
17:37 <@Neoteric> http://www.internetpulse.net/
17:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Internet Health Report (at www.internetpulse.net)
17:37 < RangerZ> Armstrong
17:37 <@Neoteric> savvis to xo ?
17:37 < aestetix_> 70% up is not good
17:37 <@Neoteric> http://www.internetweathermap.com/map
17:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Internet Weather Map :: Latency Map (at www.internetweathermap.com)
17:38 < aestetix_> Neoteric: indiana and pa are fuckers, obviously
17:39 < RangerZ> and anaheim
17:39 < RangerZ> sorry, San Diego
17:41 < RangerZ> so... the 'current index trend' is 94, so thats not bad
17:42 < RangerZ> hmm, look like that index is a weird stat IMHO
17:42 <@Neoteric> yeah that index is bullshit
17:43 < RangerZ> aestetix_: you wanna know something that will keep you up at night?
17:44 < RangerZ> ~40% of the work that BCI has to deal with, is underage pornography
17:44 < RangerZ> thats fucking insane...  which includes all cell phone/computer/etc search&seizures by police, etc
17:46 < aestetix_> RangerZ: you know, I wish we'd invest more resources into catching and prosecuting people who *make* child pornography
17:46 < RangerZ> we do
17:46 < aestetix_> I don't actually have any issue with someone who likes the idea of fucking kids but has never actually done it.
17:47 < aestetix_> Just like I have no issue with the KKK as long as they don't lynch anyone
17:47 < RangerZ> but the best way to find them is to trace the history of where the pictures came from, etc
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17:47 < aestetix_> sure
17:47 < aestetix_> I hear a lot of stories about people being arrested for possession of child porn, but very few about being arrested for producing it
17:47 < RangerZ> aestetix_: true, but possession of the pictures, is a violation of the child's rights
17:47 <@Dickie> I have many issues with the KKK
17:47 < aestetix_> RangerZ: agreed
17:47 < aestetix_> Dickie: let me rephrase.
17:48 <@Dickie> PLEASE DO
17:48 < aestetix_> I have many issues with them, but I have no issue with their right to free speech.
17:48 <@Dickie> atta boy
17:48 <@Dickie> boy...right?
17:48 <@Dickie> I never know with you people
17:48 <@Dickie> Don't want to rustle any feathers
17:48 < aestetix_> Likewise, a photo of a kid in a sexual manner is a crime, but what about a piece of writing about them?
17:49 < RangerZ> writing, I believe so
17:49 < aestetix_> Wouldn't that fall under first amendment?
17:49 < RangerZ> comics are as well, except from japan
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17:49 < aestetix_> I mean, I assume it's comparable to slash
17:49 <@Dickie> I thought drawings were made illegal some places
17:49 <@Dickie> Like the simpsons cartoon parodies
17:49 < RangerZ> Japan has "weird" (to western ideals) social acceptance of "children" being responsible for their actions as young as ~7 y/o
17:50 <@Dickie> So advanced
17:50 < RangerZ> Dickie: its a drawback of their homogeneous cultur
17:51 < aestetix_> well here's a question
17:51 < RangerZ> culture*, they are changing , and just this year outlawed _real_ child porn
17:51 < aestetix_> if the US decided that the age for pornography were 7, would that change anything?
17:51 < RangerZ> b/c it wasn't illegal there to posses it until just recently
17:51 < RangerZ> aestetix_: US can't by treaty
17:51 < RangerZ> now, at least
17:52 < RangerZ> think its 16 as bare min.
17:52 < aestetix_> by treaty?
17:52 < RangerZ> this issue came up when they were discussing the japanese manga topic
17:52 < RangerZ> hold on, let me google
17:53 < RangerZ> http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/07/24/united-states-ratification-international-human-rights-treaties
17:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: United States Ratification of International Human Rights Treaties | Human Rights Watch (at www.hrw.org)
17:53 < RangerZ> http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/07/24/united-states-ratification-international-human-rights-treaties#_Convention_on_the_1
17:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: United States Ratification of International Human Rights Treaties | Human Rights Watch (at www.hrw.org)
17:53 < RangerZ> In 2002, the United States ratified two optional protocols to the Convention on the Rights of the Child-one on the involvement of children in armed conflict (child soldiers) and another on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography.
17:54 < RangerZ> so the US can't change its laws anymore on that, b/c treaties are at the same level as the constition (thats still weird to me... but thats how it is)
17:56 < RangerZ> [However, Simulated child pornography remains to be legal everywhere in the US. Despite the very harsh laws, the U.S. is one of the largest producers of Child pornography in the world, behind Japan and Russia.] .... interesting....
17:57 < RangerZ> thats weird in many ways
17:59 < RangerZ> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2007/07/26/CHILDPORN.ART_ART_07-26-07_A1_SF7CML1.html
17:59 < RangerZ> so apparently it isn't the subject matter
17:59 < RangerZ> its the fact that the child is 'harmed' in the production
17:59 < RangerZ> and therefore , if no child is harmed, then it is legal
17:59 < RangerZ> so I guess written material would be legal also
18:01 < RangerZ> This is interestesting, b/c it allows for children sex robots.... which has actually been discussed academically by psychologists as a way to help supress the urges of pedophiles
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> Know what else helps supress the urges of pedophiles?
18:02 <@Bahhumbug> A bullet to the back of their head.
18:14 <@Corydon76-home> If we put bullets in everybody who did something wrong, there would be nobody left.
18:16 <@SuMo_D> cept Jesus
18:17 < RangerZ> nah, he fucked up several times too
18:17 < RangerZ> raising his friend from the dead and all
18:19 < RangerZ> and he measured once , and cut twice... EVERYONE knows thats a huge sin
18:19 < RangerZ> though... I can't remember which of the 3 Abrahamic bibles that is from, old, new, or newer
18:19 < RangerZ> lol
18:19 < RangerZ> well, new/newer*
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, sorry, Fuck pedophiles.  Hard.  With a .45 ACP.
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> Touch kids, die.
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> That simple.
18:24 <@Bahhumbug> And quite honestly, anyone that thinks such scum should be protected from death can go out right along with them.
18:26 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIAndEsyfnE
18:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Samsung Announces Gear VR - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:26 < RangerZ> apparently it'll be wireless and use a NOTE 4
18:26 < RangerZ> with support for Occulus Rift
19:02 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: the problem is when somebody is falsely accused.  And yes, unfortunately, even with a kid's testimony, some of them have lied
19:03 <@Corydon76-home> If you look at the Exoneration Project, there is a person on there who was exonerated when the kid recanted years later and said that her grandmother forced her to lie
19:05 <@Corydon76-home> I think the penalty for perjury or inciting perjury ought to be the same as the maximum penalty in any case where perjury is found to have occurred.
19:06 <@Corydon76-home> If you suborn perjury in a death penalty case, you go to death row.
19:18 < aestetix_> RangerZ: interesting
19:19 < aestetix_> That treaty probably pissed off a lot of people.
19:19 < aestetix_> Not that I'm in favor of pedophilia (quite the opposite)
19:19 < aestetix_> But more that it sounds like it enables other countries to tell Americans what to do. That would piss off isolationists
19:20 < RangerZ> so, since the name ISIS has been causing issues...
19:20 < RangerZ> We've been trying to think up new names for the research institute
19:21 < RangerZ> Here is mine The Education Regional Research Organization for Resource Intensive Systems of Tennessee State :TERRORISTS
19:22 < aestetix_> National Intelligence Gathering Group Enhancing Resources
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19:32 < aestetix_> you know
19:32 < aestetix_> my friend registered terrorism.network
19:32 < aestetix_> in arabic
19:33 < RangerZ> ...
19:33 < aestetix_> lemme get the url
19:33 < RangerZ> I still say that non-ascii characters is dangerous
19:34 < RangerZ> but thats what they wanted, to let each nation create their own mini-Internet :/
19:35 < aestetix_> why are non-ascii characters dangerous?
19:40 <@Bahhumbug> Because not everything is 8-bit clean.
19:40 <@Bahhumbug> And multibyte still confuses lots and lots of shit.
19:41 <@Bahhumbug> Scrap the first sentence as it's not applicable to this.  Multibyte, however, is.
19:42 < aestetix_> I'd argue that's a failing of technology.
19:43 <@Bahhumbug> It is, yes.  But that doesn't change the fact that not every infrastructure component is going to play well with it.
19:44 < aestetix_> Agreed.
19:44 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: should security policy follow technology, or the other way around?
19:45 <@Bahhumbug> Half dozen of one, 6 of the other.  I would be happier saying that one should not follow the other but be developed in conjunction with the other.
19:45 <@Bahhumbug> But this is not a perfect world.
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20:05 < RangerZ> actually thats not my issue
20:05 < RangerZ> 1min
20:05 < RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack
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20:05 < RangerZ>  с is NOT c
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20:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: IDN homograph attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:06 < RangerZ> just wait for a "g" looking like charcter in www.google.com
20:06 < RangerZ> ohh look, the SSL Cert is valid
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20:07 < RangerZ> I'm ALL for unicode in display of text, etc... however I think the number of valid characters for 'key words' should be limited
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20:27 < aestetix_> On an unrelated note
20:27 < aestetix_> Bioshock is turning out to be very addictive
20:27 < aestetix_> and god its beautiful
20:29 <@Dickie> Bioshock Infinite was powerful
20:30 < aestetix_> I guess I'll play that next
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20:59 < RangerZ> bioshock 2 is the least well rated of the 3, but still 'well' rated
21:01 < RangerZ> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/09/03/democratic-nominee-chad-taylor-drops-out-of-kansas-senate-race/
21:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Democratic nominee Chad Taylor drops out of Kansas Senate race - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
21:02 < RangerZ> to let the Democrats to rally behind the Independant in the race
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22:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCPDijqL7C0
22:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Gamer Girls Magazine Owner Threatened Me! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow.... thats impressive
22:14 <@Wilpig_> just got an invite to google domains.  I don't see a list anywhere of the TLDs they support but .photos isn't one of them
22:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.google.com/supported_domains
22:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> interesting
22:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6010092?hl=en
22:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: TLDs supported by Google Domains - Google Domains Help (at support.google.com)
22:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> FYI you get 1 year free too
22:25 < aestetix_> RangerZ: do you know any place I can find a copy of the new testament in greek?
22:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> other than just a library?
22:25 < aestetix_> online
22:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=new%20testiment%20in%20greek
22:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats about it
22:26 <@Corydon76-home> http://babel.mml.ox.ac.uk/naughton/ntest.pdf
22:26 <@Wilpig_> http://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-sues-new-york-bar-playing-80-year-old-song-140829/
22:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Warner Bros. Sues New York Bar For Playing 80-Year Old Song | TorrentFreak (at torrentfreak.com)
22:27 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: wow, thank you
22:27 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: it's amazing what turns up when you Google "New Testament in Greek"
22:27 < aestetix_> I was searching on duckduckgo
22:27 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: so they support .photography but not .photos oye
22:27 < aestetix_> which apparently has a bit of catching up to do
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: "support" no
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> "paid money to be a registar" yes
22:28 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Ray360 really *is* an unprincipled douchebag
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c the owners of the TLDs want their 200k back
22:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.dailydot.com/geek/new-gamer-girls-geek-lad-mag-porn/
22:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: New Gamer Girls magazine meets all your lowest expectations (at www.dailydot.com)
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... this shit is fucking BS
22:29 <@Wilpig_> fuck them.  they ponied up the dough in the landgrab like douchebags.  take your lumps
22:29 <@Dagmar> Too right.  Fuck those shills
22:33 <@Wilpig_> friday is gonna be interesting in tumblrland
22:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah this Ray360 is a fucking asshold
22:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: why?
22:33 <@Wilpig_> our network engineers have to be accountable for an outage today
22:34 <@Wilpig_> story as i've heard it right now is we had ports die in two different cards in two different chassis's
22:34 <@Wilpig_> simultaneously
22:34 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, are they the douchebags responsible for my Comcast outage?
22:34 <@Wilpig_> same port, same card, each chassis
22:35 <@Dagmar> That's a little odd
22:35 <@Wilpig_> more than a little
22:35 <@Dagmar> Sounds like a manufacturing defect
22:35 <@Wilpig_> and we didn't replace the card or the port.  they managed to get it back online...
22:35 <@Dagmar> Okay that sounds like a misconfiguration
22:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> do you archive configs?
22:35 <@Dagmar> ...or something that's likely to *happen again*
22:36 <@Wilpig_> not sure if they do or not
22:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: NAH, just leave it as is...
22:36 <@Wilpig_> I assume we do cause we have polling for alot of that shit
22:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
22:36 <@Dagmar> Damn nVidia is giving me nothing but hate this week
22:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> new patch?
22:37 <@Wilpig_> when I get into work tomorrow i'll look for their post mortem write up and see what they say happened. they have a meeting scheduled about it for friday though
22:37 <@Dagmar> No, it's doing something bizarre that's freezing the display when it's being loaded
22:37 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to ssh into my desktop and try to load the module there just so I can see WTF it's doing
22:38 <@Dagmar> It *could* be fucking up with the new Unified Memory Whatsis
22:38 <@Dagmar> ...cuz I have 16gb of RAM in this box
22:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh, yeah I dunno, I don't run linux on my desktop
22:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> I haven't played with any of that yet
22:39 <@Dagmar> I half-wonder if it's trying to switch to the onboard ATI GPU
22:39 <@Dagmar> I have radeon and radeonfb pretty well fucking blacklisted tho
22:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh yeah, you have a CPU/GPU chip
22:39 <@Dagmar> I also have a PCIe card.
22:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah i mean, just the 'cpu chip' part
22:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm really curious to see if the HSA stuff that AMD is going to doing, is really going to matter in the end run or not
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22:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually... what I'm still surprised about is that no one has figured out a way to throw a 1~2GB lvl 4 cache into the socket itself
22:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> or something like that
22:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> AMD has done it with the ES ram on the xbox one
22:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> and intel on the i7s (or maybe xeons)
22:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> but the XBONE's ES ram is really the bottleneck b/c its only 32MB of ram, and they had to cut out a lot of shaders on the GPU to fit it
23:04 <@Wilpig_> night
23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> later
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23:09 < aestetix_> hmm
23:09 < aestetix_> how to troll city hall
23:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> TURK 189
23:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry Turk 182*
23:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090217/
23:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Turk 182! (1985) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> not a great movie, but its one of those movies that amuses me greatly, b/c of how much he trolls the entire NYC
23:20 < aestetix_> Shadow404: have you ever used an Aneros?
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