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00:33 < aestetix> uhhhhh
00:34 < aestetix> hahah
00:36 < RangerZ> ?
00:39 < aestetix> the sasha gray photo
00:39 < RangerZ> ahh
00:40 <@Bahhumbug> Which one?  The sfw or the nsfw one?
00:40 < RangerZ> or both
00:40 < aestetix> the clothed one
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00:44 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: http://boingboing.net/2014/09/01/comprehensively-addressing-the.html
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think she has valid points, and STILL say she's a bad critic
00:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> she isn't be convincing, and a critics job is to convince people
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if I as a male raise that argument, I'm being sexist :/
00:51 <@Bahhumbug> You need to check that privilege.
00:51 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: or cut it off
00:52 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... no.
01:10 < aestetix> Wilpig_: found another picture of your gf: http://i.imgur.com/zzCDEBF.jpg
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02:24 <@Dagmar> lol they banned the live thread?
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02:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://i.imgur.com/tZ4rH4b.png
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> SFW, and funny
02:43 <@Dagmar> heheh
02:44 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling the leakers suddenly aren't feeling so chipper about their ability to publish without being caught at it
02:44 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to have another talk with the owners of the black tortie cat tomorrow, just to try to find a way around the cat *hate*
02:46 <@Dagmar> I let her in while I eat, she shows no interest in people food at all, didn't want any water
02:46 <@Dagmar> I took her back outside, walked right to the outside of her owner's patio and put her down, and she started sounding cross with me
02:46 <@Dagmar> I walk back to my place and she chases after me and then starts hissing like 'FUCK YOU!  Don't you leave me!"
02:47 <@Dagmar> The cat is both smart and _extremely_ opinionated.
02:48 <@Dagmar> I'm gonna have to ask them if they *mean* to leave her out all night or what
02:48 <@Dagmar> I might be in trouble for their cat coming when *I* call but not when they call
02:48 <@Dagmar> I just literally have to cluck a little and she comes a'running
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> obviously the cat has chosen its human-food-shelter-provider
02:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> and its pissed you don't have their cat food ready for them...
02:54 <@Dagmar> I have cat food.  It's not hungry.
02:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> pet?
02:55 <@Dagmar> huh?
02:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> does it want pet*
02:55 <@Dagmar> Oh lord yes
02:56 <@Dagmar> It purrs like it's going to come apart at the seams when I pet it
02:56 <@Dagmar> It luuuurves me
02:56 <@Dagmar> There's a definite air of "I live here now"
02:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> sounds like it
02:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> holy hell...https://imgur.com/gallery/aW7Ws
02:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: If you only click on one link today, let it be this one. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just imagined it as a dance game level
02:59 <@Dagmar> Dude no
03:00 <@Dagmar> People would die
03:00 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking this has to be a piece for five hands at least
03:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://imgur.com/gallery/vnd0H9J
03:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Anon describes celeb n00d trading ring which as been operating on the deepweb for years, gives insightful explanations for why some details of the leak didnt add up (x-post /r/thefappening) - Imgur (at imgur.com)
03:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> interesting, makes sense, and actually fits
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> also explains why iCould was on defcon1 radio silence
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they were like "wtf happened here... how did this happen... sir... we don't know...."
03:04 <@Dagmar> LOL https://imgur.com/gallery/0gnHZbJ
03:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: This just leaked, a clothed photo of Sasha Grey - Imgur (at imgur.com)
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> dagmar, we posted that earlier
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and sadly, its the sexiest pic of her in existence
03:05 <@Bahhumbug> What... this one isn't "sexy"?   (NSFW) https://i.imgur.com/MKGVt3T.jpg
03:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, thats academic with watson(ibm) and watson (holmes) and watson (random guy down the road from me) levels of sluthing going on
03:14 <@Dagmar> You can find videos of her reading children's books
03:14 <@Dagmar> To children.
03:14 <@Dagmar> Actual children.
03:14 <@Dagmar> They're on YouTube, even.
03:25 <@Bahhumbug> That's where that clothed image of her originated.
03:26 <@Bahhumbug> But sorry, she's still just a cum dump.
03:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: this Archeage actually looks pretty good, kinda curious about it
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07:29 <@Bahhumbug> jesus...
07:30 <@Bahhumbug> EL7 permits chmod -OCTAL to strip access masks.
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07:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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10:09  * shapr hops tiredly
10:09 <@shapr> DragonCon was fun! I am tired!
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10:21 <@ignotus-sdf> So DragonCon brought forth pain and suffering on Atlanta traffic...
10:22 <@ignotus-sdf> Took over a hour to get out of here Thursday by bus.
10:28 <@Wilpig_> that is expected behavior
10:29 <@Corydon76-home> Atlanta traffic is already painful, by definition
10:34 <@Wilpig_> indeed
10:34 <@ignotus-sdf> Yes, this is certainly true, I thought LA traffic was bad, then I cam back.
10:34 <@ignotus-sdf> cam = add an "e"
10:34 <@Bahhumbug> ceam?
10:35 <@Bahhumbug> caem?
10:35 <@Bahhumbug> ecam?
10:35 <@shapr> ignotus-sdf: I didn't see you at DragonCon
10:35 <@ignotus-sdf> At least in LA, the traffic moves in a block, kinda like NASCAR.
10:35 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: lol
10:35 <@ignotus-sdf> shapr: True. And you prolly won't.
10:35 <@shapr> aw, I had so much fun!
10:36 <@ignotus-sdf> Bahhumbug: Keep trying. You'll get it soon. ;)
10:38 <@ignotus-sdf> shapr: I don't doubt it. I have friends that love it, and one on the committee. It's like gaming... something I can respect, but just don't get into for some reason. Might be the asperger's.
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10:42 <@Dolemite> yay!  laptop upgraded to 16 GB
10:42 <@Dolemite> No more constant swapping
10:42 <@Wilpig_> swapping is good for you
10:42 <@Wilpig_> it gives you time to drink your coke
10:43 <@Dolemite> Even though Windows insists I'm only using 3% CPU and 25% memory
10:43 <@Dolemite> s/coke/water
10:44 <@Wilpig_> you wanna drink what we fill toilets with, that's your decision. i'll stick with the tasty nectar
10:45 <@Dolemite> I've managed to keep the weight off that I lost this Spring by switching to water
10:46 <@Wilpig_> that's a respectable achievement
10:47 <@Dolemite> If I start going back to the gym 3x a week I should be able to drop some moer
10:47 <@Dolemite> more
10:49 <@ignotus-sdf> Dolemite: I see that you have an "e" problem, too.
10:50 <@shapr> dolmit?
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11:24 < crashcartpro> I'm probably asking questions that everyone has heard, OR can't really answer, but what's the schedule of event's look like for phreaknic? is it happening all day thursday too?
11:24 <@Wilpig_> crashcartpro: if you go by the information on the website it's happening from thursday at noon through sunday at 5pm
11:25 <@Corydon76-home> There are presently discussions of having Ruby classes in the runup to PhreakNIC.
11:27 < crashcartpro> ok, neat.
11:30 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: As part of the PhreakNIC admission price, or for an additional fee?
11:30 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: I don't know
11:31 <@Dolemite> If it's included, that will be one hell of a great deal
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11:32 <@JimShoe> Hey guys, just tried to purchase a ticket, after putting in my credit card number it redirects to an Error page
11:32 <@Wilpig_> huzzah!
11:32 <@cordless> lol
11:33 <@Wilpig_> should I mock now?  or did I just do that?  i'm so confused...
11:33 <@Corydon76-home> JimShoe: your best bet is to email webmaster.
11:33 <@JimShoe> I just assume you stole my credit card number and are purchasing hookers as we speak
11:33 <@JimShoe> :D
11:33 <@Wilpig_> hookers take credit?!
11:34 <@cordless> Please direct me to the hookers that take credit ^^
11:34 <@Corydon76-home> I suppose it's slightly better than accepting a check
11:34 <@JimShoe> they don't use Square?
11:34 <@Dolemite> cordless: I think you refer to her as 'Mom'
11:34 <@JimShoe> Also does anyone know if rooms are still available at the reduced rate?
11:35 <@Wilpig_> Hrmmm.  a square receipt for "adult entertainment" ?
11:35 <@Dolemite> 'Professional Services'
11:35 <@cordless> Dolemite: I guess I'll have to stick with cash
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11:36 <@Wilpig_> cordless is carrying cash!
11:36  * Wilpig_ eyes cordless 
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11:37  * Wilpig_ hugs mog
11:37 <@Wilpig_> he friend....
11:37 <@mog> Wilpig_, happy birthday
11:37 <@Wilpig_> s/he/hi/
11:37 <@mog> my friend
11:37 <@Wilpig_> fucker
11:37 <@cordless> Wilpig_: it isn't much.. I go for the discount aisle..
11:37 <@Dolemite> Ha! Wilpig got older!
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11:40 <@Wilpig_> Dolemite: have you seen the video from hope?  mog's a fucker.
11:40 <@Dolemite> nope, link?
11:40 <@Wilpig_> i'll find one later.  I posted one a while back but it had crappy indexing
11:41 <@Dolemite> ok, time to go see in what format the cafeteria is trying to kill us today
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11:47 <@Bahhumbug> s/Fall/Fail/
11:48 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: It is past time to allow those who are trying to make it happen to do so without constant badgering.
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11:50 <@Bahhumbug> <@JimShoe> Hey guys, just tried to purchase a ticket, after putting in my credit card number it redirects to an Error page
11:50 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah...  About that.
11:50 <@Bahhumbug> And if "they people trying to make it happen" were present you would have a point.
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: the report has already been forwarded to the right persons
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11:58 <@Wilpig_> ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!! PIG SMASH!
11:58 <@Wilpig_> in teh fuckin' hot aisle and the fans are drying my contacts out
11:59 <@Wilpig_> even worse when you get a fan in just the right spot to make one eye water constantly
12:01  * shapr hops cheerfully
12:11  * ignotus-sdf does not believe Wilpig's fan woes and shapr's hopping are directly related.
12:11 <@shapr> not that I've heard
12:11 <@Wilpig_> that fucker would be happy with me in misery though
12:11 <@shapr> wat?
12:11  * shapr hugs Wilpig_ 
12:11 <@Wilpig_> just look at him.  you can tell he's an asshole like that
12:11 <@shapr> who dat is?
12:12 <@shapr> !stats
12:12 <@GateKeeper> shapr: I have 4 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 2 owners and 0 admins.
12:12 <@shapr> err, not what I meant
12:12 <@shapr> !ircstats
12:12 <@shapr> psh, whatever
12:12 <@Wilpig_> haha
12:12 <@Wilpig_> http://se2600.org/ircstats/   ?
12:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at se2600.org)
12:13 <@brimstone> woo! #15!
12:14 <@shapr> Wilpig_: yes, that one
12:15 <@Wilpig_> I should probably go through and do another aliases sweep to find hte ones it didn't track properly
12:15 <@shapr> dang, I'm not even on the top 33 because I was offline for dragoncon
12:16 <@Wilpig_> and harass these fucks without pictures again
12:16 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug ^
12:16 <@Dagmar> Add pictures of goldfish as placeholders
12:17 <@Wilpig_> hrmm. I wonder if I can do multiple pictures in the placeholders like I can on the people
12:19 <@Wilpig_> ooooo!  it can.
12:19 <@Dolemite> *burp*
12:19 <@Wilpig_> Dagmar: feel free to send me goldfish pics
12:20 <@Dolemite> Tamales and chili!
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12:21 <@Dagmar> images.google.com, under search tools use 'labaled for noncommercial reuse with modification'
12:27 <@Bahhumbug> shapr: /msg chanserv@services. info #channel can sometimes be useful for things like channel urls.
12:27 <@shapr> too easy!
12:27 <@Bahhumbug> heh
12:28 <@oddball> Apparently constantly running around the hotels this weekend and not hanging out too long in the Marriot saved me from hunting down people and "eductaing" them.  There are reports of folks throwing fucking beer bottles off of higher levels into the lobby full of people.
12:30 <@Wilpig_> so.... alcohol abuse and stupidity?
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12:31 <@oddball> Yes... and the stupidity had a rather high likely hood of seriously hurting someone that wasn't them.
12:32 <@oddball> It looks like, some how, the worst was that some kids got some cuts, but a falling beer bottle hitting someone's head would be bad.
12:33 <@brimstone> or the shrapnel
12:33 <@oddball> Also, there were also a few reports of someone dumping buckets of water over the side.  Little chance of real injury to those below, but...
12:33 <@Wilpig_> thinking this is the time where I should be asking if dragoncon had a rule specifying no flying alcohol
12:34 <@oddball> Given the track record of the two crowds, I'm guessing these actions were probably done by the college football fans.
12:34 <@brimstone> there was a large Ole Miss thing Thursday
12:35 <@brimstone> dunno if it lasted all weekend
12:35 <@oddball> Wilpig_: I think that would be square in the realm of their "don't be a dick" policy.  Oh, and the "don't break the law," since I would think that would easily count as assault.
12:35 <@Bahhumbug> Assault; D&D; and various other charges, yes.
12:36 <@oddball> brimstone: Georgia Tech is just down the street and has hosted the football season kick off game for the past few years.  Sometimes it's a two game event.
12:36 <@oddball> This year was Old Miss and Alabama.
12:36 <@Bahhumbug> People like that should be made examples of.  Very public examples.
12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> they should be left in public chainings until after PN
12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> that should teach a good lesson
12:37 <@oddball> I've seen shit happen with football fans that would cause entire scifi conventions to be banned from hotels.
12:37 <@oddball> no... I'm not bitter about that double standard at all.
12:38 <@Wilpig_> NERDS!!!!!
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12:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: what do you mean? why would I leave my wrestling shirt from freshman year in my HS locker at all times so that I could wear it if I had a problem with the vice principle or anything
12:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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12:46 <@oddball> My favorite was back when Vampire LARPs were popular.  Everyone was gathered for the initial briefing for the LARP, and the head of con security (conveniantly, also the head of hotel security) was giving us the "fear of god" speach.  In the middle of his speach, he got a call over the radio stating that some LARPers were having a fist fight.  "ummmm... no their not.  THey're all with me."
12:46 <@shapr> oddball: I didn't see you at dragoncon, where were you?
12:46 <@oddball> yep
12:46 <@shapr> aw, should have had a 2600 meetup or something
12:47 <@oddball> Turned out that one of those giant family reunions was also in the hotel, and it was a bunch of them.
12:47 <@oddball> Eh, there was only 65+ thousand people there spread out over 5 hotels.
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12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: lets be honest, the family was from KY, so they looked legit like vampires, so white and pale
12:48 <@oddball> I know there were a few of my friends that were there that I wanted to track down, but never managed to.
12:48 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Actually, this instance was a black family reunion.
12:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> just look at Wilpig_, he's our sterotypical KYer, other than Corydon76-home
12:48 <@oddball> With fucking matching shirts and everything.
12:50 <@Dolemite> oddball: There were 3 days of Football in Atlanta at the Georgia Dome this weekend...  not just 1
12:50 <@oddball> Yeah.  It's a pretty big deal for them.
12:51 <@Dolemite> Actually, 4 if you go back to Wednesday.  Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Weekend started Wednesday with the GSU game, but that didn't draw much of a crowd
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12:52 <@oddball> Thanks.  I couldn't remember the name of the event due to me not really paying attention to sports ball.
12:53 <@oddball> I will say that my non-scientific sampling shows that the large majority of football fans this weekend were Old Miss and Alabama.
12:55 <@Dolemite> Those were the Friday and Saturday games
12:56 <@oddball> gotcha
12:58 <@oddball> Well... shit.  My claddagh just broke.
12:59 <@shapr> oddball: you're single now!
13:00 <@oddball> Not so fast, the actual wedding band is still intact... and made of tungstan.
13:00 <@shapr> whew
13:00 <@shapr> SAFE
13:07 <@Dolemite> Man, the idiocy of the other adults I have to work with in Cub Scouts...
13:08 <@Dolemite> We need to sell popcorn to fund the pack activities
13:08 <@Dolemite> Setting up in front of a store is an easy way to sell
13:22 <@Dolemite> A new location opens up, so I claim two dates.  The other leaders bitch about me adding dates.
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13:34 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: does popcorn really sell better than the chocolate-covered pretzels?
13:34 <@Dolemite> Dunno about chocolate covered pretzels
13:35 <@Dolemite> But anything chocolate is subject to spoilage and will have to be climate controlled
13:35 <@Dolemite> So sitting out front of Wal-Mart in the heat for 10 hours isn't a great idea with those
13:35 <@Corydon76-home> The problem I've always found with popcorn is that it goes stale so quickly
13:35 <@Dolemite> A pack of roughly the same size as ours sold $24,000 of popcorn last year.
13:36 <@Corydon76-home> How many kids in the pack?
13:36 <@Dolemite> Most of it coming from Show and Sell Dates
13:36 <@Dolemite> 50-60
13:36 <@Corydon76-home> So roughly $500 in sales per kid
13:37 <@Dolemite> Yeah
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13:37 <@Dolemite> If you average it out
13:37 <@Corydon76-home> In terms of chocolate, I was mainly thinking of an analogue to Thin Mints
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13:42 < aestetix> oddball: how was it?
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13:50 <@oddball> It was good, although, the badge would have pissed you off.  They did the stupid again.
13:51 <@oddball> Legal name and home town still printed on badge and the legal name was in a font at least as big as the badge name.
13:54 < aestetix> fun
13:56 < aestetix> god
13:56 < aestetix> I did not need to see that headline on CNN
13:56 < aestetix> fuck ISIS
13:56 <@oddball> Another reporter decapitation?
13:56 < aestetix> yes
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14:05 < aestetix> oddball: was it even more insanely crowded this year?
14:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: nope, it was pretty empty, they told people that they would have to bathe every day, or be kicked out, so not many went in the first place
14:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol (j/k, but I do sometimes wish that was a rule put in place at large public gatherings)
14:08 <@oddball> aestetix: It was pretty damned crowded.  Probably more people than last year.
14:08 <@oddball> And I'm still trying to figure out your thought that most of them are teenagers.
14:15 <@oddball> heh http://tinyurl.com/qztsmd2
14:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: laughhard: I guess that settles that argument | The Digital Paw Print (at tinyurl.com)
14:19 < aestetix> oddball: did they have a ball pit?
14:20 <@oddball> I believe there were a few folks cosplaying as a ball pit.
14:23 < aestetix> I'm not sure whether that's sad or amazing
14:26 <@oddball> Well, there was also a guy that was dressed up as "Raptor Jesus," that trolled the small group of psycho-christian protestors.
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14:33 <@Wilpig_> oddball: I see nothing wrong with raptor jesus
14:33 <@oddball> Oh, it was awesome.
14:36 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2f8epb/tifu_by_letting_my_family_find_out_about_the/
14:36 < aestetix> this is funny
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14:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol... lessoned learned
14:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> my one old friend has a younger brother, and when he was ~13 or so... I had her search for "*.jpg" on her computer...
14:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah.... she wasn't happy
14:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
14:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> "her computer" = Family computer , btw
14:42 <@opticron> I've done that before on a family computer...found beastiality...never did it again
14:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> its odd that the japanese have an entire genre of hentai for that, which I 'get' the "cat-girl" thing
14:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I've noticed a centaur trend , b/c japanese doesn't have a term for centaur, so when I look through sites, you see "<kanji><kanji>CENTAUR<kanji><kanji>"
14:45 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: the one with the ponies?
14:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and i'm like.... what... really....
14:45 <@opticron> Corydon76-home, no, this was a looooong time ago
14:45 <@opticron> I couldn't be sure if it was my dad or stepmother (could have even been my brother)
14:46 <@CRasH180> Centaur: horns on head, human torso, with horse legs?
14:46 <@Wilpig_> aestetix: that was actually a funny link.  
14:47 <@CRasH180> oh, no, I am thinking of something different
14:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> CRasH180: thats my understanding, horse body, human top (not sure about horns)
14:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> so apparently google image search appears to put horns on some of them, so sure
14:49 <@CRasH180> No, I was thinking of Labrynth, I think it is where Tim Curry played the Devil or whatever the heck he was
14:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> (b/c google image search is "who drew" the pics... by my previous statement... lol)
14:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is human top/goat bottom
14:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> Satyr
14:49 <@CRasH180> Satyr, right
14:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/63550c5dad1875d83448e0aae4d6becb/tumblr_n4wre3RpkL1so0sfmo1_1280.jpg
14:50 <@CRasH180> Maybe those are big ram horns then
14:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> so... this would have been a good topic for PN
14:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> SFW
14:50 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: it wasn't Farm Sluts?
14:50 <@opticron> involved a dog
14:50 <@CRasH180> I guess you would download a car
14:51 < Vyrus001_> I am confused as to why it takes money to "reboot" a hacker space when reboot = {tell all the idiots we let in that they don't run the place anymore}?
14:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> opticron: when I was in HS, "horse-gag" was a 'thing' that the jocks were all laughing about, b/c they thought they could get away with saying it in public, b/c they thought that if a teacher stopped them, that the teacher was admitting to having watched it
14:51 <@Wilpig_> rub that in their dumb mpaa/riaa faces
14:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> I always found that fucking stupid... but thats just me
14:52 <@Corydon76-home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snjCj0ntG8E
14:54 <@Wilpig_> http://i.imgur.com/qRePrmH.jpg
14:57 < aestetix> vagina
15:00 < aestetix> http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/half-of-young-women-unable-to-locate-vagina-and-65pc-find-it-difficult-to-say-the-word-30554997.html
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: result of refusing to teach sex in schools
15:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> or even basic biology
15:20 < aestetix> This problem does not exist for guys
15:22 <@Wilpig_> aestetix: have you done a poll to verify that?
15:23 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, I'm certain it does.  Ask guys to identify the vas deferens on a chart of the male reproductive system
15:26 <@Corydon76-home> Do you even know what that is without Googling, aestetix?
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15:30 <@shapr> VAINA
15:30 <@Wilpig_> you can't trick me into googling penis.  I know what it's gonna show me
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15:45 <@Wilpig_> well hell.  i'm 50 hours away from my vacation cap
15:46 < aestetix> Wilpig_: what color is your vacation cap?
15:46 <@Wilpig_> flesh
15:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: for the calender year?
15:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> or some other year marker
15:48 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: yes
15:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> and does that count 'after' thanksgiving
15:48 <@Wilpig_> RangerZ|Laptop: total
15:48 < aestetix> So basically
15:49 < aestetix> Nobody knows shit about their own anatomy
15:49 <@Wilpig_> vacation accrual cap:  <4years : 150 hours
15:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
15:49 < aestetix> Doesn't abstinence only education at least cover what you're abstaining from
15:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> that sucks
15:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: no
15:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c if you teach them about it, the might get curious
15:49 < aestetix> If you teach slaves how to read, they might get a job as a teacher.
15:50 < aestetix> Same logic.
15:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c teenagers are naturally non-curious and non-hormonal
15:50 <@Corydon76-home> Which is also why gun safety classes teach people nothing about guns.  If they taught anything, people might get curious about guns
15:50 <@Wilpig_> I read that as "if you teach sex slaves"
15:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig_: keep your fantasies to yourself
15:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:51 < aestetix> Is this just like how the people who push to have the bible in schools have not actually read it?
15:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> they have read it a lot
15:51 < aestetix> Just selectively?
15:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> just never understood what they read
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15:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> and selectively
15:51 < aestetix> A man is seduced by his two daughters. How do you misunderstand that.
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15:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> no he isn't, got ordained that
15:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> god*
15:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> or w/e is there excuse for that now
15:52 < aestetix> So why doesn't god ordain kids to learn about sex?
15:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c it doesn't fit into the the narrow world view of the people who claim to be speaking for God,
15:52 < aestetix> I mean, if they have hormones, didn't god put them there?
15:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> you know this
15:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't pretend to want to inject logic into religion
15:53 <@Corydon76-home> You're trying to apply rational arguments to irrational beings
15:53 < aestetix> And this is why I study theology, not religion
15:54 <@Corydon76-home> It's about how they feel about it, not what actually is proven to work
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15:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can't use 'reality' and 'research' when deciding religious policy
15:55 < aestetix> Now that I think about it
15:56 < aestetix> If we didn't teach those idiots how to read, they couldn't make bad interpretations of the bible
15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats even more dangerous
15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> think "middle ages"
15:56 < aestetix> that *was* the prevailing wisdom for many years though
15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> where people have to take the word of what THE church (which ever church they went to ) tells them
15:57 <@Corydon76-home> The problem is that the age of teaching people how to read is far before the time when they forget how to understand
15:58 <@Corydon76-home> The best instrument for turning people into atheists is the Bible.
15:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'knowing how to read' is less important on 'this' issue, than knowing how to critically think
15:58 <@Corydon76-home> and fire and brimstone preachers tend to accelerate that progression
15:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that doesn't mean we should decrease the human right (what I would consider it at this point) the ability to read and write at an age appropriate level
15:59 < aestetix> I don't know that the bible would turn someone into an atheist, so much as make them realize that most organized religion is nuts
15:59 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: it is the natural and eventual logical conclusion of the home school movement
15:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: what?
15:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> which "it" are you referring to
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16:00 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: to stop teaching kids how to read
16:01 <@Corydon76-home> Many of the home school movement is religiously oriented
16:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
16:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> I am actually in favor or banning private or home schooling
16:02 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: of course you are
16:02 < aestetix> Let's make the federal government in charge of it :)
16:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, but for machievellian reasons
16:02 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: I'm in favor of testing forcing kids out of home schooling, similar to NCLB
16:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> imagine how much good-change would happen if you forced ALL children to attend diverse socio-economic schools
16:02 < aestetix> s/good/violence/
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> both
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> violence at first
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> eventual good though
16:03 <@Corydon76-home> If your home schooling fails to allow kids to pass standardized testing, then you must give up a portion of your income to remediate the education of that child, just like they do to public schools today
16:03 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that assumes the standardized test is worthwhile
16:03 <@Dickie> I've only known the polar ends of the homeschool spectrum
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> it is
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> we just have CRAP testing right now
16:03 <@Dickie> Genius kids or complete morons
16:03 < aestetix> Dickie: yep
16:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> the REAL problem is that we don't have 2 tests per year
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> and if your home schooling fails kids consistently, then the federal government gets to step in and take control of your family life
16:04 < aestetix> Dickie: I have a few friends who were homeschooled, they were geniuses
16:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> 1 at the begining, and one at the end of the year
16:04 < aestetix> And ran into a problem of being so much smarter than regular kids their age they couldn't adjust
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16:04 < aestetix> And society's solution seems to be to dumb them all down
16:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes/no
16:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was actually in that situation, and I was lucky to live where I did
16:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I was put into a "special needs" class part of the day, instead of left in the normal class for all day, where I was able to read works at my own level on my own (10th grade reading level in 2nd grade)
16:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I got to know actual Mentally Retarded (was the PC term at the time) children, and got to know well and they were friends, etc.  and it was a very informative experience
16:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> mainly... just watching them NOT progress as the years went on
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16:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> in kindergarten 2 of my class (no one realized they were any different at the time) ended up never getting past 1st~2nd grade education(they were twins)
16:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> so there is definitely potential good that can come from mixing people of different ability levels together, (which is the basis of integration/affirmative action)
16:11 <@northrup> I would agree with that...
16:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> it no only teaches people empathy, but it also helps the overall class level raise
16:12 < aestetix> Except that affirmative action fails miserably at that
16:12 <@northrup> I also would agree with Corydon76-home in that the vast majority of home school kids that I see are being home schooled by parents who are not qualified due to reasons that are horrific (i.e. I want to shelter my child)
16:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: no, it really doesn't
16:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> it just means that without it, we'd be EVEN MORE FUCKED
16:13 <@shapr> VAINA
16:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: I agree that it needs to be re-adjusted, to not focus on race, but instead to focus more on socio-economic status, but in today's US, those two have a VERY HIGH correlation
16:13 < aestetix> Explain how quotas have been a good thing
16:13 <@shapr> I would like some quality time with such.
16:14 < aestetix> I can share many reasons why quotas are not good :)
16:15 <@northrup> quotas aren't good, but just like MOST things, there how you make a reasonable effort at trying to tackle such a massive issue.
16:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> quotas has been good in giving Black students the ability to gain a higher education from schools that wouldn't otherwise (and we know historically his is accurate) accept them , it exposes the other students at the university to different racial/etc groups that they aren't likely to have interacted with previously
16:15 <@northrup> s/there/they're/
16:16 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: which leads to violence, which leads to police in schools
16:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> umm...no
16:16 <@northrup> aestetix: just because something isn't the perfect solution doesn't mean it needs to be chunked out completely.
16:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> where does that leap in logic come from?
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: that's affirmative action, not quotas
16:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: yes, but they have been synonyms in the south
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> They shouldn't be.
16:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c southern states didn't want affirmative action , so they found the #% they needed to be legally 'ok' with the federal gov't
16:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> and admitted that #, and not one more and not one less
16:17 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: look at other places where cultures being forced together has lead to violence.
16:17 < aestetix> Such as murder rates in transitional neighborhoods.
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> All affirmative action really means is that you have M slots and N qualified persons, where N > M, and you use race to select persons to fill slots from that qualified group
16:18 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: and it means the government tells businesses and schools how to do their jobs
16:18 < aestetix> If the school is a state school, that's one thing.
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: No, it does not.
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> Quotas are a way to ensure that you have X number of minorities, whether they're qualified or not
16:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: thats a red herring , b/c we aren't "forcing" entire cultures to co-mingle, also... Iraq was very co-mingled before a segregationist policy of Sadam put the minority into power, and then built up sectarian opposition, that was finally able to explode when we toppled the gov't
16:19 < aestetix> Right.
16:19 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: Iraq is a very different set of cultures from the US.
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: what you're thinking of are diversity statistics
16:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> so? it disproves your notion of "look at other places where cultures being forced together has lead to violence." which is what I replying to
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> Diversity statistics are merely a way to determine if a group is doing a good job of attracting qualified candidates from across the spectrum
16:21 < aestetix> Let me clarify. I was referring to the cultures within america which are breeding the issues at hand
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> Unfortunately, diversity statistics don't do a good job of preventing HR from simply filling quotas
16:21 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I"m in favor of expanding spectrum
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: they already have
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> as a white male, I classified as a minority ;)
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> Diversity statistics are also a simple way of measuring what is essentially a very complex problem
16:22 < aestetix> Agreed.
16:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I'm from an economically depressed region, and first generation college grad
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> And thus statistics frequently don't do a good job of measuring that
16:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> (not technically true, but they only count your parents, not any of the rest of your family)
16:22 < aestetix> I'm not in favor of quotas. I am in favor of expanding spectrum. For example, if you run a conference, I'm not in favor of keeping two slots open for women. I am in favor of sending the CFP over women in tech lists to get more applicants.
16:22 <@Wilpig_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFT-z-zOPTA
16:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Okay Google: How many zeros are in a googol? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: of 5 kids in my family, I'm the only one who didn't graduate college, and I have the largest income of any of them
16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: and?
16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats a fine statistic, and one not unheard of
16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> I just don't get the relevance
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: It amuses me that the promise of college broadening income capability is reversed in my case
16:24 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: these days it actually seems to narrow it.
16:24 < aestetix> Because college loans crush people so they go for the first job they can get.
16:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats only b/c we don't allow college loans to be bankrupted away anymore since 96 or so
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> I don't think that's the problem
16:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> College is NOT for job training
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> I think the problem actually is that college does a poor job of preparing persons for work
16:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> and people seem to think that it is
16:25 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: or because tuition has gone up exponentially because the tea party has killed government funding to universities
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: it ought to be, at least in some small way
16:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> college is still designed for a _liberal_ education , meaning that you learn a wide range of topics that better you as a person fit to contribute to society.
16:26 < aestetix> Or the idea that having a job as a janitor is a bad thing.
16:26 < aestetix> And that everyone must be a lawyer or a doctor
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: and that's precisely what's wrong with a liberal arts degree.
16:26 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: that does not explain the recent rush of CS grads coming to the bay area
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: what explains that is that there aren't good jobs elsewhere
16:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: of course it doesn't, b/c thats a separate issue
16:27 < aestetix> heh
16:27 <@Wilpig_> http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2d6rkb/tifu_by_giving_my_girlfriend_a_gorilla_mask/
16:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: TIFU by giving my girlfriend a gorilla mask : tifu (at www.reddit.com)
16:27 < aestetix> Wilpig_: we don't want to hear stories about your gf
16:27 < aestetix> We see enough pictures of her
16:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> CS graduates have a skill set that others don't have, and have someone who is trusted (the univ/college) who is willing to say "this person knows what they are talking about"
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: And I would put something like Computer Science firmly in the engineering side of college programs
16:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can learn the concepts of a CS degree without taking the classes
16:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you won't have anyone "at your back" saying you know what you are talking about
16:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> once you have a portfolio of work, that becomes less and less important
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Because while CS doesn't necessarily teach people job training, it is nonetheless teaching a marketable skill
16:29 <@shapr> siesta degree? no, CS DEGREE!
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16:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> the russian mathematician who has turned down the math(nobel-like) prize several times, lives in a small hut with his mom, and has refused the several million dollars worth of prize money
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: See, even a good education doesn't mean someone will be smart
16:31 <@Corydon76-home> Take the money and run.
16:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> it doesn't matter if he has a degree or not (i think he might have a bachelors), b/c he has the top mathematicians in the world willing to stand by his work
16:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, CS teaches things that 'most' programmers never need to fucking worry about, NP-Complete, kernel interupts, Hardware architecture of caches and how to design a cache-hit/miss ratio cacluator, etc
16:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> compilers
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16:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> whatever special focus area their school teaches, among the many areas of CS
16:33 <@oddball> Oh, I won't be at the meeting this month.  I'll be at Outsidecon.
16:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> but having those skills and the "liberal"(not political, but the more accurate historical meaning of the term) Education create a graduate with a wide range of skills
16:33 < aestetix> what is outsidecon
16:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: don't worry, we'll all probably want to be at outsidecon, lol
16:34 <@oddball> aestetix: a scifi "relaxacon" convention at a nearby state park.
16:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=outsidecon&l=1 ;)
16:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
16:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.outsidecon.com/
16:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: OutsideCon (at www.outsidecon.com)
16:35 <@oddball> basically, a bunch of geeks get together at the private campground and hang out for the weekend.  Extremely laid back.
16:36 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Is fun.  Only $45 at the door if you want a bunk in one of the cabins or $35 if you bring a tent.  This includes meals and pop for the weekend.
16:36 <@Wilpig_> then the orgy starts and the animal sacrifices begin
16:36 <@oddball> Wilpig_: shhhh.... we don't talk about that.
16:37 < aestetix> Wilpig_: is there a group poop?
16:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: if I wasn't possibly planning on going home this week/weekend I would actually go
16:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> gotta help mom move into her new place (if she finally can)
16:38 < aestetix> oddball: didn't you just finish dragoncon?
16:38 <@oddball> ah, gotcha.
16:38 < aestetix> two cons in a row seems like a lot
16:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> first place she found ended up having a cracked foundation/roof/walls
16:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> so yeah... she's not moving there... lol
16:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: thats the point
16:38 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah, but Outsisdecon is a great time to wind down, not party hard.
16:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> to relax from the big one
16:39 <@oddball> The total amount of programing is a fishing contest and an archery tourney.  Beyond that, it's just a bunch of folks hanging out and some casual gaming.
16:39 <@Wilpig_> https://36.media.tumblr.com/cee7545c185b2afbb4e67deeb4f4eb04/tumblr_nbagc87bcp1tv85u1o1_1280.jpg
16:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
16:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> and his 2nd 'wearegroot' didn't last much longer
16:41 < crashcartpro> heh! yes.
16:41 <@Wilpig_> 16:39 < gtorre> @all seeing a spike in 200s, it started at 4:17 right after a deploy
16:41 <@brimstone> in... 200 OKs?
16:41 <@Wilpig_> yup
16:41 <@brimstone> isn't that... good?
16:42 <@Wilpig_> yup in normal circumstances.  but he doens't know about status codes
16:42 < crashcartpro> brimstone: it's just okay.
16:42 <@brimstone> it's just... 200 okay
16:42 <@brimstone> lol crashcartpro
16:45 <@CRasH180> I could not figure out what the hell was wrong with my mouse. After a while of typing on my keyboard, the mouse would jump to wherever I last left the mouse at to start typing
16:45 <@brimstone> synergy
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16:45 <@CRasH180> Finally found a post to go download latest Sony Viao drivers for the Alps keyboard. It worked like a charm after a reboot
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16:48 <@CRasH180> The ftp site is ftp://ftp.vaio-link.com/PUB/VAIO/ORIGINAL/ALPS_TOUCHPAD_DRIVER.ZIP if anyone has this issue
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: I've had somewhat of the same issue, due to my palms coming down close to the touchpad
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> Thinkpad for me
16:54 <@CRasH180> Yeah, mine was not my palms
16:55 <@CRasH180> I thought of the same thing and raised my hands up over the keyboard. It still happened when my wrists were not touching the pal rest at all
16:57 <@Wilpig_> now this is a first.  just had a freenode staffer jump into a channel
16:57 <@Wilpig_> 16:34 < LoRez> anybody that doesn't want to get klined, get out now.
16:57 <@Wilpig_> 16:35 -!- mode/#fappening [+Pimf ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding] by LoRez
16:57 <@Wilpig_> 16:36 -!- LoRez changed the topic of #fappening to: This is not topical for freenode.
16:58 < aestetix> I just joined becuse of that :p
16:58 <@Corydon76-home> Threat of a K:line usually clears a channel quickly
16:58 <@Wilpig_> it does, but that's kinda strange for a staffer to do
16:59 <@Corydon76-home> Not really,  Freenode is chartered for open source projects
16:59 <@Wilpig_> there are channels on here of every ilk though
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17:04 <@northrup> so we should take the #fapping to undernet?
17:04 <@northrup> heh
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17:32 <@Bahhumbug> Wrong namespace.  If it was ## is would have likely been ignored until multiple complains came down against it.
17:33 <@Bahhumbug> There are also liability issues considering the age of Kayla Mulrooney (or whatever her name was) in some of the released images.
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17:50 < aestetix> ugh
17:50 < aestetix> there is this sound californians make
17:50 < aestetix> it's like a cross between a whine and a grunt
17:51 < aestetix> I just had a conference call with this guy, he'd pause for like ten seconds, go "huh...." and make the noise
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18:36 <@Wilpig_> aestetix: does it sound like "dude"
18:47 < aestetix> It's not coherent enough to form a word
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19:00 <@CRasH180> maybe it was "duh"
19:00 <@CRasH180> Just a guess
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/you-have-your-windows-in-my-linux-249483
19:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: You have your Windows in my Linux | Data Center - InfoWorld (at www.infoworld.com)
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19:09 < aestetix> it was like an amateur version of rob scoble
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19:16 <@Dagmar> whoo
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19:28 < aestetix> https://www.nikcub.com/posts/notes-on-the-celebrity-data-theft/
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19:49 <@Wilpig_> aestetix: that's a very good write up of what has gone on
19:50 <@Dagmar> looks it
20:00 <@Wilpig_> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
20:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems (at 0pointer.net)
20:00 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/my-first-burning-man-grover-norquist
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig_: I posted that link quite some time ago :)  You're slow.
20:01  * Bahhumbug runs
20:03  * CRasH180 blinks
20:05 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: someone at work just sent it to me as an example of why we need systemd and for sysv to die in a fire
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Can you please go punch that fucker in the throat for me?
20:09 <@Wilpig_> Bahhumbug: I just asked him to punch himself in the throat for you
20:09 <@Wilpig_> Gabe:  Fucking troll
20:09 <@Wilpig_> Enjoy your Solaris 7
20:11 <@Shadow404> lawl
20:19 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: You should tell that guy that the article in question is about 3/4 noobish jackassery
20:19 <@Wilpig_> pretty sure this should be the end all for all systemd discussions.  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA
20:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Phoronix] Linux Kernel Developers Fed Up With Ridiculous Bugs In Systemd (at www.phoronix.com)
20:19 <@Wilpig_> it's old though
20:19 <@Dagmar> wilpig: ...and that if he thinks it represents 'wisdom', then he's a noob
20:20 <@brimstone> Wilpig_: it's really old
20:21 <@Wilpig_> I left it with "if systemd was just replacing init v, it would probably be accepted. it's getting into everything with no reason and just a general pita"
20:21 <@brimstone> i want to try out systemd, i hear its btrfs package manager is nice
20:21 <@Dagmar> ...and the primary supporter is a noob-ass.
20:21 <@Dagmar> The "
20:21 <@Dagmar> The "Realistic testing is extremely unreliable and next to impossible." paragraph is head-up-the-ass nonsense
20:22 <@Dagmar> They're complaining about the user will somehow likely run an aggressively mismatched set of libraries or something
20:22 <@Dagmar> 1. Users don't do that.
20:22 <@Dagmar> 2. This shit is the job of the package manager, not fucking init.
20:22 <@Dagmar> 3. We have library versioning for a fucking reason.
20:23 <@Dagmar> The dude turns *off* his damn brain, decides that problems that are the responsibiltiy of other groups and mechanisms are something init has to solve, and then starts piling more shit into systemd to stop it
20:24 <@Dagmar> "For example, the path where to put x86-64 libraries is different on Fedora and Debian derived systems.."
20:24 <@Dagmar> How in the screaming fuck does that matter
20:24 <@Dagmar> Does it meant the motherfucker is looking to incorporate ldconfig into systemd?
20:24 <@Wilpig_> you need to get high
20:24 <@Dagmar> If so, then fuck him
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> "The systemd cabal (Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann, and yours truly)"
20:24 <@Dagmar> Why?  Because if I get really high his bullshit will make sense?
20:25 <@Bahhumbug> Either he has no clue what "cabal" means or he does indeed know and doesn't care about trying to cover it up any longer.
20:25 <@Bahhumbug> I'm going with the second option.
20:26 <@Bahhumbug> When people realize that Lennart is the single more egomanical ass in FOSS circles, bar absolutely none, everything will then make sense.
20:27 <@Bahhumbug> s/more/most/
20:27 <@Dagmar> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc3OTM
20:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: [Phoronix] New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd (at www.phoronix.com)
20:27 <@Wilpig_> http://boycottsystemd.org/
20:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: boycott systemd (at boycottsystemd.org)
20:27 <@Bahhumbug> Sievers being a close second.  Hoyer used to be sane but drank the koolaide.  The others are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  The 3 I mentioned are directly on RHAT's payroll which makes RHAT fully responsible for all this.
20:28 <@Wilpig_> They make their points very clear there, repeated but clear
20:28 <@Bahhumbug> More specificlly, FESCO for not stopping this nonsense dead in its tracks 5 years ago.
20:28 <@Wilpig_> why the fuck does the init daemon need a dhcpserver?  or a web server?
20:28 <@Wilpig_> that's pure insanity
20:29 <@Bahhumbug> webserver for log viewing.  Duh.
20:29 <@Dagmar> Like I was saying above... They're seeing problems tat belong to some other facility, deciding these are init's problems, and then adding more shit to the pile
20:29 <@Wilpig_> time to heat up some dinner
20:29 <@Bahhumbug> Not, that's his opening, nothing more.  He wants everything redone in his own image.
20:29 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh, too tired to even come close to writing properly.
20:30 <@Wilpig_> tired?  it's only 7:30... you old fuck...
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> I've been up since yesterday.
20:30 <@brimstone> i'm not sure if my favorite part of systemd is pid 1 listening for HTTP the fact it can make ascii QR codes
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> My schedule is completely fucked again.
20:31 <@Dagmar> Everyone loves it when pid 1 HAS FUCKING NETWORK ACCESS
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> I am partial to systemd-resolved
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> Nope, not making that up at all.
20:31 <@Dagmar> That's literally the stupidest fucking ting I've seen all month
20:31 <@brimstone> busybox4lyfe
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/201954.html
20:31 <@Dagmar> At least busybox has an excuse for it
20:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: fakesystemd package breaking builds (at lists.fedoraproject.org)
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> You should read that, Dagmar.
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> He discounts 5 CVEs against systemd components as if they're nothing.
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> He has no true grasp of security practices.
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> And when you're talking about ring0/1 that's scary as fuck.
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> (udev and the new in-kernel bus that Sievers is now working on)
20:33 <@Dagmar> fuck
20:34 <@Dagmar> What a hypocritical sack of shit
20:34 <@Dagmar> "but
20:34 <@Dagmar> let's not wildly invent new hacks, without checking if there are better
20:34 <@Dagmar> ways..."
20:34 <@Bahhumbug> I chuckled at that.
20:34 <@Bahhumbug> If my printer was working I'd have that on my wall.
20:34 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and the game's over.
20:34 <@Dagmar> ?
20:35 <@Bahhumbug> Every major distro sans 2 has adopted systemd fully.
20:35 <@Bahhumbug> slack/gentoo are the only two to my knowledge that haven't drank the kool aide.
20:35 <@Dagmar> It's not going to happen with Slackware
20:35 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps.
20:35 <@Dagmar> No.  It's not going to happen.
20:35 <@Dagmar> Volkerding isn't an idiot
20:35 <@Bahhumbug> I thought the same about debian a few months ago.
20:35 <@Bahhumbug> And then they caved.
20:35 <@Dagmar> Debian added it as an option
20:35 <@Dagmar> You're not required to use it, as far as I know
20:36 <@Bahhumbug> It will be the primary 2 releases from now.  I will make you a $100 bet right here and now.
20:36 <@Dagmar> I'm not betting on that.
20:36 <@Dagmar> I'd rather spend that $100 on the assassination market
20:36 <@Dagmar> ...or at least a down payment on a good ass-whipping.
20:36 <@Bahhumbug> There are something like 30 commiters to the tree.
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> The 5 mentioned as the "cabal" in the article are only the primary developers; cut of the head and others will follow.
20:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah and the moment they start having issues where they can't attest to the cleanliness of their logs they're fucked.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> <centbot> CentOS 6 will go EOL on November 30, 2020 -- in 6 years, 12 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes, and 46 seconds
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> That's the end of my ride with RHAT.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> I have a single RHEL7 system used as a baseline reference if we ever go ahead with our plans to revert systemd's init functionality back to either upstart or openrc or something else.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> But I will never, ever roll it out in production.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> But as time progresses through 7's point releases that will become a harder and harder task to accomplish.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> So there is little chance of it ever coming to light.
20:44 <@Dagmar> God there's a country guitarist upstairs
20:44 <@Dagmar> Fucking stomping time with his foot like a noobass
20:44 <@Dagmar> Oh!  Facerig is on sale until Dec 1st on Steam
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Isn't that a beating offense?
20:45 <@Dagmar> It's a shaming offense
20:45 <@Dagmar> Decent musicians don't need to stomp their foot while they play
20:46 <@Dagmar> If you have to stomp your foot it's time to fire the drummer
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> Can't argue that.
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20:49 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Facerig.  $9.
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> I already have it
20:49 <@Dagmar> Ah
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> i backed it on kickstarter
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> or w/e it used
20:49 <@Dagmar> I'm installing it now.  going to see what needs to be done to generate new models
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> they are 3 meshes
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> 3D*
20:49 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: They gave you a Steam key?
20:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
20:50 <@Dagmar> Cool
20:50 <@Wilpig_> w00t!  in 3-4 days I will have my $1700 back from yahoo!
20:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> for moving?
20:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> or did they charge you an extra 10% when you were paying off your porn site subscriptions
20:51 <@Wilpig_> expenses over the last year that I just never got around to turning in
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> Must be niec to make so much you can ignore little things like expense reports.
20:52 <@Wilpig_> it's a nice feeling
20:53 <@Wilpig_> I know I lost plenty of receipts too.  kinda wish I had kept up with them better, but meh
20:53 <@Dagmar> Ooh.  New WoD build
20:53 <@Dagmar> God I hope they didn't wipe again
20:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> MSNBC actually having a log discussion about The Fappening (Fappeggeddon)
20:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> chris hayes is actually making a good point... it WILL escape
21:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow...thats weird... a person in the news realizing the truth
21:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
21:34 < aestetix> wait
21:34 < aestetix> Wilpig_: you've been at tumblr for a year?
21:34 <@Wilpig_> yup
21:34 < aestetix> wow
21:34 <@Wilpig_> oct 14 is my 1yr
21:35 <@Wilpig_> the year has flown by, right?
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep, Nashville 2600 has so much less drama now that you're gone
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> no drama at all over this past year
21:36 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: and phreaknic even has a website
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> wait... has anyone ever seen seen Wilpig_ and crazypants together?
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm thinking batman scenario here....
21:36 < aestetix> Not unless Wilpig_ was wearing a Dagmar mask
21:38 <@Corydon76-home> Drama is by definition the clashing of two different personalities
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21:39 <@Corydon76-home> So unless you're alleging that she has multiple personalities at war with one another, she is not drama, all by herself
21:40 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not seeing anyone arguing that is not the case.
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21:44 <@Wilpig_> Corydon76-home: I think we have evidence of crazypants arguing with herself in this very channel
21:46 <@Bahhumbug> Must have been a slow night with no one else to pick a fight with.
21:55 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I think we've seen some instances of her just yelling at people because they were there.
22:11 <@Wilpig_> so the consenus is...  bitch be crazy
22:13 <@oddball> Wilpig_: Look at who I married, and who I've dated in the past.  She'd too crazy for *me*.
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22:16 <@Bahhumbug> She's too fucking nuts for Tom Arnold.
22:16 <@Wilpig_> my history with crazy is pretty well documented as well
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22:20 <@Wilpig_> I kinda want some ice cream but I know it's gonna make my stomach very unhappy
22:20 <@Wilpig_> rofl  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/antonius-hart-fast-food-hold-up_n_3102190.html
22:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Antonius Hart Sr., Antonius Hart Jr., Allegedly Brandish AK-47 In Chicken Restaurant Drive-Thru When Workers Forget Their Wings (VIDEO) (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
22:44 < aestetix> oddball: you do NOT want to know about my history with crazy
22:45 < aestetix> Let's just say that in at least one instance, a friend helped me out of a situation before it got documented :)
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23:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I've been able to repeat ths 2x so far, if you sign into chrome, and try to sync your bookmarks it crashes, on a fresh install (or perhaps just MY bookmarks) but either way....
23:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you're all going to love this title ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-z0mguz0vw
23:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Teen Rape Victim Forced To Pay Thousands In Child Support - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep...
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23:49 <@Wilpig_> teen boy knocked up older woman?
23:52 <@CRasH180> Weird
23:53 <@CRasH180> gn all
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