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00:00 <@GateKeeper> NOTICE: Still no speakers listed for Phreaknic 18
00:06 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, there are speakers listed; you're just looking in the wrong place.
00:09 < aestetix> https://phreaknic.info/node/1/speakers is not the right place?
00:09 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, right.  I have access to pages you can't see.
00:10 <@Bahhumbug> You're special.
00:10 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, you can.  They're just not listed in the menu.  https://phreaknic.info/program
00:12 <@Corydon76-home> No, I'm incorrect.  It is actually listed in the menu.
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> Click the "Program" link; don't just look at the links that pop up underneath.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> irrelevant.  There is a link to "Speakers"; people will click that expect to see, oddly enough, the scheduled speakers.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> That site is laid out like crap.
00:14 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: do you think veins in penises makes them more attractive?
00:14 <@Corydon76-home> Of course.  Now that I've shown that you're wrong about something, you find something new to bitch about.  Not surprised.
00:15 < aestetix> ok then
00:15 <@Bahhumbug> Whatever.  The site's laid out like shit.  If you have a link to "Speakers" how about actually listing speakers.  Rocket science this is not.
00:16 <@Corydon76-home> Funnily enough, the second guy listed on the program actually is a rocket scientist.
00:18 < aestetix> What abotu veins in testicles?
00:18 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.alternet.org/labor/thousands-california-fedex-drivers-exploited-corporate-execs-court-rules
00:18 <@Corydon76-home> FedEx rates are about to go up
00:20 <@Corydon76-home> Class action lawsuit is an interesting method of organizing workers I hadn't thought of before.
00:23 < RangerZ> for some reason i want to say thats not legal action in many states
00:23 < RangerZ> i don't remember where i read that... but it was about someone trying to do it in chicago or something
00:24 <@Corydon76-home> FedEx has managed to do it up until now in at least all 48 of the lower states
00:24 < RangerZ> hmm, maybe it was someone (republican) trying to make it illegal then
00:24 < RangerZ> lol
00:24 < RangerZ> also Corydon76-home, you and I both know that the 'program' dropdown menu being where the content is... and not... you know... the drop down options... is pretty shitty
00:25 < RangerZ> the _entire_ point of a CMS is to enter data once... and have it show up many places/forms/etc
00:25 <@Corydon76-home> The point of a CMS is to make it easy to enter content
00:26 <@Corydon76-home> Having it show up in many places is a feature, but not one that is necessarily used
00:26 <@Corydon76-home> and I'm not claiming that the site is well laid out, just that assertion that there are no speakers on the site is false.
00:28 < RangerZ> I could have had a caligrapher hand-draw a bannar 6ft x 12ft, taken it to kinkos, had it mailed to aestetix to have a scanner at UC Berkeley scan it, and then had the scanned files and original bannar mailed to the hosting company quicker than that site went up.... so 'easier' to put up information... isn't quite cutting it, I know you have to defend it, and I feel bad for you having to deal with all of this, but maybe if you and someti
00:28 < RangerZ> i have no idea where that got cut off if it did... so...
00:29 < RangerZ> .... isn't quite cutting it, I know you have to defend it, and I feel bad for you having to deal with all of this, but maybe if you and sometimes ben, weren't the only 2 officers who came in here.... we might be able to tell these things to them directly online, instead of getting "it'll be up soon" every month at the meetings
00:29 <@Corydon76-home> I don't have to defend it.  I'm just tired of hearing shit that isn't true
00:29 < RangerZ> 'not true' isn't what that fucking counts as, thats a failure in HCI design
00:29 <@Corydon76-home> Well, there ARE other meetings, and you welcome to show up to those
00:29 < RangerZ> not a _single_ one of us clicked program
00:30 < RangerZ> b/c its fucking stupid when there is a _speakers_ option
00:30 <@Corydon76-home> Well, then show up to the actual PhreakNIC planning meetings
00:32 < RangerZ> since when were the 'secondary' meetings the "actual PhreakNIC planning meetings'?
00:32 < RangerZ> wtf are the montly meetings then?
00:32 <@Dagmar> Overplanning
00:32 <@Corydon76-home> Technically, the 2600 meetings at JJ's are just 2600 meetings, not specifically PhreakNIC planning meetings
00:33 < RangerZ> ...
00:33 < RangerZ> sure... b/c we have "soo much else that nashville 2600 does"
00:33 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar got pissed at one point that the 2600 meetings started being just about PhreakNIC, and not about other 2600 things
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> You're being pedantic about this yet again.  People expect speakers to listed when there is a paged linked from the entry page with a link of "Speakers".  You're defending poor design for the sake of arguing about it.
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> Had this been laid out properly this conversation would not be happening.
00:34 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not defending the design
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.  You are.
00:34 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: get some sleep, you need it
00:34 <@Corydon76-home> I'm saying the assertion that there are no speakers on the site is false.  Period.
00:34 < RangerZ> sorry
00:34 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, I do need sleep
00:34 < RangerZ> there were no speakers on the site in a FUCKING PLACE THAT THEY WERE LABELED
00:35 <@Corydon76-home> So?
00:35 <@Bahhumbug> Maybe this IS rocket scienc.
00:35 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: ok, you got us
00:35 < RangerZ> you're just trolling
00:35 < RangerZ> good job
00:35 < RangerZ> but either way
00:35 < RangerZ> I'm going to bed, got a presentation in the morning
00:35 < RangerZ> night all
00:35 <@Corydon76-home> G'night
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01:00 <@GateKeeper> NOTICE: Still no speakers listed for Phreaknic 18
01:18 <@notlarry> Dagmar: I'm still claiming to be you
01:19 <@notlarry> I get "but that email does not work"  I respond "I know, thats what I'm talking about, it's like I don't even work here anymore and this project you put me on just got started.
01:19 <@Dagmar> heheh
01:19 <@notlarry> It brings a little joy to my dark heart.
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01:20 <@notlarry> And the managers don't have the bones to correct me.
01:21 <@Dagmar> They're screening for that now
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06:54 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr
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06:59 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: Being pro-active this morning, I see..
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07:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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13:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> morning beotches and hoes (or however he specifically writes it...(too lazy to look in logs))
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14:57 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQVSwMWibpQ
14:57 < aestetix> this is disturbing
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15:49 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpArSqEYtI wtf... something is wrong here... someone who is pro-consumer rights, and actually coined the term 'net neutrality'... getting NY Times endorsement for a political position
15:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: "Father of Net Neutrality," Dem. Cuomo Challenger Running Mate Tim Wu Gets NY Times Endorsement - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:49 < RangerZ> thats almost as good as lessig on the supreme court.... almost...
15:49 < RangerZ> lol
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17:08 < RangerZ> Dagmar: Wilpig http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/29/new-3ds-and-3ds-xl-announced-with-extra-buttons
17:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: New 3DS and 3DS XL Announced With Extra Buttons - IGN (at www.ign.com)
17:09 < RangerZ> so it looks like they are coming out with a new version of the 3DS , with upgraded specs, replacable batter/microSD card, NFC and 2nd analog stick (though its smaller)
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17:16 <@Dagmar>  vThose pictures show the normal 3DS
17:16 <@Dagmar> Oh wait.  Two freakin' buttons.  Big deal
17:20 < RangerZ> yeah, 2 back triggers, and the nipple 'joystick'
17:20 < RangerZ> *twirls finger* lol
17:21 < RangerZ> the NFC stuff is kinda cool for the 'miibo' stuff, but I won't be buying those since I don't have a wii u either
17:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah I don't understand why they're adding NFC, personally.
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17:25 < RangerZ> miibo
17:25 < RangerZ> thats all
17:29 <@Dagmar> Okay..   THat's odd
17:29 <@Dagmar> I have 10 streetpass hits
17:37 <@Dagmar> ...a-a-and six more after that because of some promotional thing
17:37 < RangerZ> ahh
17:38 <@Dagmar> Still, six more gold-pants Miis
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18:07 <@Wilpig> interesting. I was just looking at replacing mine cause i've been beating the hell out of it lately.  guess i'll try to make this one last a while longer and get one with the nfc stuff
18:08 <@Wilpig> that's assuming of course they'll make the miibo stuff work with super smash brothers like it will with the wii u
18:10 <@Wilpig> I love the placement of the microsd, not loving the new cart position though.  is that the cart slot on the bottom right?
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18:11 <@Wilpig> looks like they moved the power button onto the bottom edge as well.  that's kinda sucky.  I really liked that I can't accidently turn the 3dsxl off now
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18:23 < RangerZ> interesting
18:23 < RangerZ> chrome's spell check says Advisor is spelled wrong
18:24 < RangerZ> wants -er
18:27 <@Bahhumbug> Spelling... it's hard.
18:27 < RangerZ> pretty much
18:27 < RangerZ> like armour
18:27 < RangerZ> or armor
18:27 < RangerZ> or grey or gray
18:28 < aestetix> ok so
18:28 < RangerZ> fucking English, don't they know we took over usage of their language and have made it American English ;)
18:28 < aestetix> Is there any meat to the theory that the development of computers also lead to the development of these massive credit systems?
18:28 < RangerZ> yes
18:28 < RangerZ> most 'money' in the world is in digital bank accounts
18:29 < aestetix> Since without computers, it's kind of hard to do a quick analysis of thousands of records
18:29 < RangerZ> plus you could trade SOOO quickly
18:29 < aestetix> I'm more referring to things like experion
18:29 < RangerZ> that the NASDAQ had to implement picosecond accuracy on transactions
18:30 < RangerZ> nah, credit histories don't matter that much
18:30 < RangerZ> you could get loans before computers
18:30 < aestetix> right, but it was a more personal thing
18:30 < RangerZ> and wait... what do you mean by 'credit systems'
18:30 < aestetix> By credit system I mean background check systems and credit scores
18:30 < RangerZ> ohh, those don't matter
18:30 < RangerZ> not really
18:31 < aestetix> Don't matter to what?
18:31 < RangerZ> what matters is the stock markets and day traders
18:31 < aestetix> I gurantee you if you're trying to get a loan and have a low credit score, credit will matter to you :)
18:31 < RangerZ> credit scores and all that noise, is less than rounding errors compared to stocks/etc
18:32 < RangerZ> yes, but my lifetime earnings are a small fraction of a % compared to even family friends... let alone the billionaires... let alone corporations
18:32 < aestetix> that's great
18:32 < RangerZ> which is my point
18:32 < aestetix> So I asked a question, and instead of responding to it you responded to something else and said my question didn't matter :p
18:33 < RangerZ> 'mattering to me' doesn't matter in the grand scheme of 'things' when it comes to economics
18:33 < RangerZ> and individuals credit scores don't matter much compared to stock market dealings
18:34 < RangerZ> is it 1) easier/faster to get loans now 2) you don't have to ever meet a person to get the loan , both yes
18:34 < RangerZ> and computers created that
18:34 < aestetix> What's so bad about meeting a person to get a loan?
18:34 <@Wilpig> germs
18:34 < RangerZ> who said anythinga bout 'bad'
18:35 < RangerZ> i didn't put a good/bad statement on the fact
18:35 < aestetix> Then how is that relevant
18:35 < RangerZ> they are both enabled by computers
18:35 < RangerZ> 1 is by having big digital credit score companies 2 is by the Interwebs
18:36 < RangerZ> and honestly, credit scores a joke, most of the time
18:36 < aestetix> RangerZ: you're doing an "ask me anything" talk at phreaknic right?
18:36 < RangerZ> nope
18:37 < aestetix> credit scores are a joke until you get denied access to something because of them
18:37 < aestetix> just like pretty much anything else
18:37 < RangerZ> sure
18:37 < RangerZ> i can also consider the police a joke too
18:37 < aestetix> GPA doesn't matter until you get denied a job or grad school because of it
18:37 < RangerZ> doesn't mean you don't have to deal with it
18:37 <@Wilpig> if you're getting denied a job because of GPA.  just chain the doors on that place and set the fucker on fire
18:37 < RangerZ> fuck the 4 teachers that gave me Bs in school'
18:38 < aestetix> Wilpig: that happens all the time in the bay area
18:38 < RangerZ> look at the 'credit scores' of the mortgage backed securities
18:39 < aestetix> well what actually happens is Google won't reply to your resume unless your GPA is high enough
18:39 < RangerZ> aestetix: 'bay area ' != real world
18:39 < aestetix> haha
18:39 < aestetix> but yeah if a job asked me for my gpa and sat score, i'd be like "what"
18:39 < RangerZ> 3.88 and 3.79
18:39 < aestetix> here is my gpa: I've administered systems that are not down
18:39 < RangerZ> I've been slacking in grad school , lol
18:39 <@Dagmar> "Higher than yours, probably"
18:40 < aestetix> wait
18:40 < aestetix> isn't 4 the highest you can go
18:40 < RangerZ> yeah
18:40 < aestetix> then how is 3.88 slacking
18:40 < RangerZ> well... in most schools
18:40 <@Wilpig> aestetix: there aren't enough fires happening in the bay area then
18:40 < RangerZ> you can actually get 5/4 in some schools
18:40 < RangerZ> taking 'honors' classes
18:40 < RangerZ> etc
18:41 < aestetix> I actually don't even bother putting education on resumes anymore
18:41 <@Wilpig> if you're just getting out of school and have no work experience I can see GPA being something they would consider ONLY in that case
18:41 < aestetix> partly because I don't have a bachelors degree :p
18:41 < aestetix> Wilpig: well yes
18:41 < RangerZ> <<only reason I know grad GPA is b/c i just submitted form for my prelims like 10min ago
18:41 <@Dagmar> If you're >30 and they're asking, you're talking to the wrong person.
18:41 < RangerZ> and had to look it up, lol
18:41 < RangerZ> yeah... even as a prof.... no one is going to care what my GPA is , as long as it is 3.5+
18:42 < aestetix> so wait
18:42 < aestetix> what if your gpa is 2.4
18:42 < aestetix> 3.4
18:42 < aestetix> are you chopped liver?
18:42 < RangerZ> grades don't actually matter in grad school, as long as it is As and Bs
18:42 < RangerZ> ....
18:42 < RangerZ> well... let me rephrase that
18:42 < RangerZ> it depends on the school
18:42 < aestetix> I guess schools have never heard of the bell curve
18:43 < RangerZ> i've never had a single 'thing' graded ont he bell curve before
18:43 < aestetix> if you have a single C, is your resume tossed out?
18:43 < RangerZ> no
18:43 < RangerZ> acutally, i know a prof, who had all Fs first year
18:43 < aestetix> I bet he had a great time getting those Fs
18:44 < RangerZ> he then took 42 credit hours (on the quarter system) and got all As and Bs in the classes
18:44 < RangerZ> to prove to the med school he was applying, that he was talented
18:44 < RangerZ> (this was back in the late 70s i think)
18:44 < RangerZ> then next quarter he took 52 or something, same deal
18:45 < RangerZ> he basically took 4 years in 1
18:45 < aestetix> wiat
18:45 < aestetix> he took 42 credit hours in a single quarter?
18:45 < RangerZ> yeah, it was the son of my one prof
18:45 < aestetix> I take it that "sleep" was not his major
18:45 < RangerZ> premed
18:45 < aestetix> how is that possible
18:45 < RangerZ> so biology
18:45 < aestetix> doesn't that mean 42 hours of classes a week?
18:46 < RangerZ> roughly
18:46 < aestetix> what about homework
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Double it
18:46 < RangerZ> i dunno, apparently he knew most of it, so he just flew through the HW
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> 42 credit hours is what makes a most premed say "fuck this noise".
18:47 < RangerZ> well... he started a trend now... you can't take more than 21 without permission
18:47 < aestetix> a trend of adderall users?
18:48 < RangerZ> its amusing to think that adderall makes others like that
18:48 <@Wilpig> I did a 22hr semester one year. it sucked
18:48 < RangerZ> my mom gets tired when she takes hers, and she has the highest dose you can take
18:48 <@Bahhumbug> 42 credit hours actually sounds more like pre-vetmed than premed.
18:49 < RangerZ> sadest fucking thing is... vets have more training than doctors
18:49 < aestetix> I remember taking like 16 credit hours and being dead
18:49 < RangerZ> also... if you are only taking lecture classes
18:49 < RangerZ> its easy
18:49 < aestetix> uh
18:50 < RangerZ> i did 12hrs of lecture classes one semester, and basically did nothing that semester
18:50 < RangerZ> took like 4hrs a week to read the papers
18:50 < RangerZ> then wrote a few papers at the end of the semester
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> A _LOT_ more training.  And why is it sad?  MDs need to know a single biological system; vets have to know everything under the sun.
18:51 < aestetix> from what I recall a lot of vet students drop out and become MDs
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> Yes, they do.
18:51 < aestetix> source: my aunt is a vet
18:51 <@Bahhumbug> Because it's a LOT easier.
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> My buddies wife is a working prof at Cornell in their VetMed program, considered by many as the best in the world.
18:52 <@Bahhumbug> buddy's, even
18:53 <@Bahhumbug> I remember when she was still in school.  I have no idea _how_ she managed to pull it off, especially without murdering people in the process.
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20:05 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
20:05 < RangerZ> Ferguson MO got 3 body cameras donated to it, then bought 2 more
20:05 < RangerZ> then got 50 donated
20:05 < RangerZ> "no... you don't get to 'try' these out... you're going to wear these"
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21:01 < aestetix> penis
21:07 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Of possible interest: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950
21:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Choose your side on the Linux divide | Data Center - InfoWorld (at www.infoworld.com)
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22:28 <@Wilpig> w00t!  just got the last job asterisk in bravely default
22:29 <@Dagmar> Cool
22:34 <@Wilpig> that was a bitch.  the last fight before you fight the sage was with three of the previous bosses at once.  the ranger, the summoner, and the valkyrie
22:35 <@Dagmar> eesh
22:35 <@Dagmar> At least they make you work for it
22:35 <@Wilpig> tell me about it. fighting the sage was weird.  curious to use this last job cause he was calling attacks from like every other class
22:40 < RangerZ> also...
22:40 < RangerZ> bravely second got its first promo today
22:40 < RangerZ> LOL
22:43 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: what was that?
22:44 < RangerZ> Bravely Second
22:44 <@Dagmar> http://kotaku.com/heres-the-new-trailer-for-bravely-second-1628451051
22:44 < RangerZ> the 2nd bravely default
22:44 < RangerZ> b/c the 'bravely default' we got, was like Bravely Default v7 or something
22:45 < RangerZ> they kept patching it, making it more "well..... RPGish"
22:45 < RangerZ> the japanese version originally was 'decent' but not worth selling 1m units in the US good
22:45 <@Wilpig> you still haven't finished the first one,  not even close
22:45 < RangerZ> 2nd will take 1yr plus to come out
22:45 < RangerZ> i just found the timing funny
22:45 < RangerZ> lol
22:46 <@Wilpig> chop chop, bitch
22:49 < RangerZ> not this semester
22:49 < RangerZ> i got my prelims
22:50 <@Wilpig> holy shit balls...  Support Ability: Obliterate
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22:50 <@Wilpig> Cause instant death at the start of the battle to targets twenty or more levels lower than you.  Note that you will still get the usual pg, exp, jp and items at the end of hte battle.
22:51 < RangerZ> LOL
22:51 < RangerZ> "you've earned this"
22:51 < RangerZ> basically
22:51 <@Wilpig> it'll be sharable
22:52 <@Wilpig> of course you have to be 20 levels over shit.  but damn...
22:52 <@Dagmar> I suppose there's no real point in allowing fights of that nature to waste a player's time
22:53 <@Wilpig> I was doing several to level up this last profession
22:53 <@Wilpig> omg this is awesome
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23:10 <@Wilpig> in less than 20 minutes i've taken three jobs from lvl 1 -> 12
23:10 <@Wilpig> this is amazing
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23:24 <@Wilpig> woot.  lvl14
23:44 <@Wilpig> hahah and another set of jobs lvl14 now too.  
23:49 < aestetix> where is ignotus
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