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00:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> gave a very non-positive mental image of that part of the con, lol
00:00 < aestetix> that is gross
00:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> _shared_ cube
00:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> btw
00:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... its a toss up... between him and 'fish lips'...
00:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> she smelled so bad, it made us gag, and me almost throw up once
00:03 < aestetix> Because of her perfume? Or did she fart at you
00:04 < aestetix> Are anime cons like dashcon?
00:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
00:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> not in general
00:05 <@oddball> No... there are many anime cons where they actually pay the people they said they'd pay.
00:05 <@oddball> And they don't extort money out of their attendees.
00:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: PMd 'why'
00:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c its not fair to make everyone read that...
00:06 < aestetix> oddball: besides that?
00:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: they are very much female tweeen
00:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> and up to 20ish
00:06 < aestetix> .... "up to"
00:06 <@oddball> Anime cons?  Yeah.  Lots of teenagers.
00:07 < aestetix> Is anime like a form of rebellion to hide from their parents?
00:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, not at all, its just a form of media targetted towards that age group better than most american media
00:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> (some of its genres at least)
00:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> especially female love stories
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00:08 < aestetix> don't we have stuff like twilight?
00:08 < aestetix> and hunger games?
00:09 < aestetix> they are both shallow and geared towards idiot teens
00:09 <@oddball> One of the big sub-genres of anime is cute guy and cute guy love stories.
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> which we DO NOT have in us
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:09 < aestetix> wait
00:10 < aestetix> I wonder how much that encourages trans
00:10 < aestetix> That is, I wonder how many people see stuff like that and decide they are trans
00:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, it has female/female 'love' (sometimes sexual, sometimes not, sometimes ambigiuous)
00:10 < aestetix> It would explain a few things about the bay area
00:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> not much aestetix
00:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> firstly, they don't 'decide'
00:10 <@oddball> Of course, one of the other sub-genres is some of the best horror I've ever seen.
00:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> secondly, if just a story would do it.... then they already were and in denial
00:11 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: some people do, and it is annoying and makes it difficult for people who actually have dysphoria
00:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> *shrugs*
00:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> why do i care if someone chooses or is that way
00:11 < aestetix> Ok maybe I am projecting more baggage
00:11 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: you don't until they tone police you
00:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'll treat them however they want to be treated
00:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> and accidentally call them 'shim' to piss them off even more if they are being annoying pricks
00:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is horrible, i know
00:13 < aestetix> just don't say tranny
00:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> (i wouldn't actually do that for real, but if people are pricks, then thats when i'll verbally kill them)
00:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> i thought tranny was how they wanted to be called (i'm not kidding)
00:14 < aestetix> ohhhhh no
00:14 < aestetix> if you say the word tranny in the bay area you will be exiled for life
00:14 < aestetix> you have to say "trans"
00:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> or is that one of those 'we used to want to be called this' terms
00:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> w/e I'm also in favor of calling someone what they are legally
00:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> and being done with it
00:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> when you legally are called something else, then its ok to not call you what you were
00:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> like manning, I see no problem calling him 'chelse(sp?)' and still calling him 'him'
00:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'll respect his choice of naming, and how he wants to dress, etc. but legally he's still a male
00:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> maybe that makes me a racist/sexist bastard
00:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> *shrugs*
00:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> while I'm possibly pissing people off... I don't think Black people should use the N word
00:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> but... i gotta admit to calling the 2 trans people (both male to female) that I know , as 'her'
00:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I gotta admit, I have no idea how hard it is to go through that, and i'm thankful I don't have to
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00:25 <@Dagmar> Urgent message from primary UPS: "You keep refusing to replace my fans?  Well, FUCK YOU.  I QUIT."
00:33 <@oddball> Oh dear.
00:35 <@Dagmar> No, it would be "Oh dear." if I didnt have a second UPS just sitting around idle.
00:35 <@Dagmar> It's just an annoyance right now
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01:17 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqNZVIlX24Y
01:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: APC Back-UPS XS 900 Common Problem with Fan - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:18 <@Dagmar> Ignore the fact that she sounds like the Kids In The Hall.
01:18 <@Dagmar> (You can't unhear it now.)
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01:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: i actually might have a fan that size, if you need it
01:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> but probably 12v also, like video
01:43 <@Dagmar> I just ordered one from Amazon, as well as replacement for the power supply for my HD-PVR
01:43 <@Dagmar> It should arrive on Saturday
01:43 <@Dagmar> Thanks tho
01:44 <@Dagmar> Okay, so... the format that comes out of the HD-PVR is really, really bloated
01:44 <@Dagmar> The _preshow_ for Doctor who was like 15 minutes long.  Raw video... 1,267,918 KB
01:44 <@Dagmar> After I ran it through Handbrake with CRF 23... 505,869 KB
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01:45 <@Dagmar> Once I cut the commercial out with VirtualDub (because it wouldn't touch the previous version)... 380,826 KB
01:46 <@Dagmar> MythWeb is also considerably faster after I cut down the MySQL settings to something more appropriate
01:47 <@Dagmar> Keeps it from swapping all the damn time
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> ?
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> whats it keep in sql?
01:47 <@Dagmar> I have 1Gb RAM in this box
01:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> meta info?
01:48 <@Dagmar> Oh... LOTS of stuff
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01:48 <@Dagmar> Yes.  Channel listing information, as well as all the metadata about the recordings, including possible commercial flagging points and indexes
01:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
01:48 <@Dagmar> It absolutely doesn't need the settings it was using
01:49 <@Dagmar> I brought them down to something more like my-small.cnf
01:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
01:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, ram over-usage will kill a system more than anything else
01:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... other than running star citizen on HIGH
01:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but no one is that stupid... LOL
01:54 <@Dagmar> heh
01:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I was able to get mine to to run pretty stable tonight
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> had to enable AHCI for my SSD
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> which... you have to regedit to enable
01:56 <@Dagmar> I don't know why you didn't already ahve that on
01:56 <@Dagmar> Weird
01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> honestly b/c the day I was installing the new board that supported it properly, i had work to do
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> and it wouldn't boot w/o the driver
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> BUT it can boot if a reg key is '0'... wait... what...
01:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> i dunno... that seems like a massive failing of foresight
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but anyways... apparently they have a weird bug where if you have an AMD cpu and an SSD on sata
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> it hates you
02:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> now... It seems to be all happy
02:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh... and it looks fucking nice...
02:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> just the input on the joystick is wonky, the lag of the thrusters actually doing physics based thrust... doesn't feel responsive at all, and the joystick is on a exponential curve, meaning you have to move the stick a LOT to keep the enemy in the center :/ thats gonna be changed in an update, but for now, PITA
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06:04 <@Bahhumbug> http://op-for.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Crew-Served-for-Little-Ones.jpg
07:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:55 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: lol
08:31 <@Wilpig> HAHAHAHAHAH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hTBAOnDQE
08:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Le Telepathé - Cyanide & Happiness Shorts - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:39 <@Wilpig> Mirage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAxdlPZ37Gc  <-- that just made me cringe
08:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: STAR WARS Medley (Harp Twins electric) Camille and Kennerly - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:48 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that was on Geeklogie earlier...   I have to cringe at the knowledge that somewhere across the vast interwebs, someone is masturbating to that video right now.  Probably wilpig.
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08:54 <@Bahhumbug> I wouldn't kick 'em out of bed.
08:55 <@Bahhumbug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAxdlPZ37Gc
08:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: STAR WARS Medley (Harp Twins electric) Camille and Kennerly - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:55 <@Bahhumbug> This is much better :)
08:57 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: with the sound off, it might be possible
08:57 <@Wilpig> they are both black belts in tai kwan doe though, so that's a bit frightening
08:57 <@Bahhumbug> "Camille and Kennerly are Third Degree Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do and are former Tae Kwon Do instructors. The twins are also "Distinguished Experts" in rifle marksmanship and "
08:58 <@Bahhumbug> I'd be more worried about the marksmanship :)
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09:09 <@Wilpig> this is some funny shit right here.  http://meanwhileathq.tumblr.com/post/95930722225/continuants-westboro-baptist-is-planning-to
09:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Meanwhile at HQ — continuants: Westboro Baptist is planning to... (at meanwhileathq.tumblr.com)
09:10 <@Wilpig> westboro is planning to picket tumblr for a whole 20 minutes.  hahah
09:10 <@ignotus-sdf> why? Did tumblr die?
09:11 <@brimstone> "Westboro Baptist is planning to picket Tumblr. Follow their Tumblr for more information." wait, what?
09:11 <@Wilpig> slow news day
09:11 <@Wilpig> brimstone: they make crazypants look sane
09:11 <@Bahhumbug> Jenna-Louise Coleman++
09:11 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
09:12 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing makes that bitch look sane.
09:14 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: http://doctorwho.tumblr.com/post/95889149905 
09:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: Official Doctor Who Tumblr (at doctorwho.tumblr.com)
09:14 <@Wilpig> the doctor who folks are busy beavers on tumblr.  like damn
09:15 <@Bahhumbug> https://www.google.com/search?q=jenna-louise+coleman&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=a0L&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TSv_U8OfHo_AggSrnYBQ&ved=0CLgBEIke
09:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: jenna-louise coleman - Google Search (at www.google.com)
09:16 <@ignotus-sdf> Bahhumbug: troof. on JLC
09:18 <@Wilpig> https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=jenna-louise+coleman+room+at+the+top
09:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: jenna-louise coleman room at the top - Google Search (at www.google.com)
09:20 <@Wilpig> okay.  leaving on this one.  https://i.imgur.com/TBx2fM8.png
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10:12 <@Dolemite> http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/nicki-minaj-but-with-farts?utm_term=j3b8t2&sub=3430083_3689639#1gdzkj3
10:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Someone Added A Bunch Of Fart Sounds To The Video For Nicki Minajs "Anaconda" (at www.buzzfeed.com)
10:13 <@Dolemite> The only way to twerk!
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11:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://youtube.com/watch?v=fv--npievoI
11:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nicki Minaj - Anaconda (Fart Remix) - YouTube (at youtube.com)
11:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c that site kinda sucks
11:03 <@Dolemite> Yer momma sucks!
11:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow... i've never actually seen/heard that song before
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and honestly... I don't think her ass is all that good
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and her face is only above average not exceptional
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11:21 <@oddball> bah... my ride to Dragoncon is just now finishing up packing.  Going to be at least an hour before I get picked up.
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11:28 <@Dagmar> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8273HGqxEc
11:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ray Jessel - That Was A Surprise;) Song - AGT 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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13:00 <@ignotus-sdf> brimstone: how many folks showed to the last meeting?
13:00 <@Wilpig> 100 million
13:01 <@brimstone> 10
13:01 <@brimstone> base 6
13:02 <@ignotus-sdf> so 6?
13:03 <@brimstone> ...yes
13:18 <@ignotus-sdf> ok. We've finished our move and got the windshield we broke replaced, so we should be there Friday after next.
13:20 <@Dagmar> ...and so it begins.  Russia has now invaded the Ukraine.
13:21 <@rattle> Yeah, and it turns out Hello Kitty isn't a fucking cat either.  Bad day.
13:22 <@Dagmar> Hello Kitty is as much a cat as Donald Duck is a duck.
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13:25 <@rattle> You can't be talking shit like that yo.
13:29 <@ignotus-sdf> then what exactly IS Hello Kitty?
13:33 <@Dagmar> A cartoon character.
13:45 < aestetix> http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/08/27/listen_to_judge_richard_posner_destroy_arguments_against_gay_marriage.html
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13:47 <@Dickie> There are no arguments against gay marriage
13:47 <@Dickie> ...that can't be applied to other marriage
13:47 <@Dickie> Before any Libertarians take a swing at me
13:51 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm totally against marrying gay people, and I'm not going to do it. Besides, my wife would get mad.
13:51 <@ignotus-sdf> Now that I think about it. I'm against marrying anyone else in general.
13:59 <@Corydon76-home> ignotus-sdf: the odd thing is that "marrying" can also mean the service that an officiant performs.  Thus, a minister marries one person to another.
14:07 <@ignotus-sdf> true. I don't plan on doing marriages, either. Keeps me out of that whole pissing contest.
14:07 <@Dickie> NO
14:07 <@Dickie> MARRIAGE IS OUR WORD
14:07  * Dickie foams at the mouth
14:08 <@ignotus-sdf> (Yes, I can in fact legally officiate.)
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14:25  * ignotus-sdf looks to see if Dickie is still foaming
14:26 <@Wilpig> farting in the stairwell makes me laugh.
14:28 < RangerZ> why would Dickie be foaming?
14:29 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: what kidn of officiant are you
14:32 <@ignotus-sdf> we were discussing marriages.
14:32 <@ignotus-sdf> RangerZ: Because right before you came back in, Dickie was foaming at the mouth.
14:32 < aestetix> Right.
14:33 < aestetix> I mean, in what church are you ordained.
14:33 < aestetix> (ULC counts as a church)
14:33 <@Corydon76-home> ignotus-sdf: pretty much anybody can legally officiate, given that SCOTUS determined that any organization can be a religion, simply by stating they are.
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> Or in other words, the government does not have the power to determine what is and is not a religion.
14:34 < aestetix> But they do have the power to determine who gets government benefits.
14:36 <@ignotus-sdf> aestetix: Oh, this will get fun... Ordained Unitarian (not Universalist) currently attend a Wesleyan church, as John Wesley is part of how my family ended up here in 1735, and finishing Seminary among a generic Protestant smaller school.
14:37 <@ignotus-sdf> To make more head explosions, I was preparing to enter the Order of Ecumenical Franciscans, but had a slight change to a more Celtic Benedictine offshoot.
14:40 <@ignotus-sdf> That's part of why I avoid the whole "would I officiate" thing... It's not my place to dictate rules of be involved in that. There are too many real third-world problems to work with. There are plenty to do that sort of thing.
14:40 <@ignotus-sdf> of = or
14:42 <@ignotus-sdf> That is also the real reason we reduced our living quarters from 1000+ sq ft to 384. We give part of  our income in hard goods to people we find that truly need help be it food or whatever at the moment.
14:42 <@ignotus-sdf> It's also why I am on the ride with Johnny Long's outfit, HFC.
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14:48 <@ignotus-sdf> aestetix: I know about ULC. I count them as a church, too. My ideas tend to be, ahem, sometimes more liberal than most. I am more of a Thomas Merton type.
14:48 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: do you have a preferred bible translation?
14:49 <@ignotus-sdf> I usually use ESV or Common English, sometimes NKJV. It was hard to break the hard encoded blinder type thinking of my Independent Baptist youth.
14:50 < aestetix> hard encoded blinder?
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14:57 < aestetix> vagina
15:09 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah. The whole mentality of "my version is right, and the rest of you are wrong". I grew up in churches where it was literally believed that if one was anything other than Independent Baptist, they were doomed. That included Southern Baptists. It was nuts.
15:12 < aestetix> isn't the response "well, sucks to be them"?
15:13 <@ignotus-sdf> No, those folks were downright hostile about it.
15:14 <@ignotus-sdf> A lot of them (the churches themselves) have died off and are gone now.
15:17 < aestetix> See, I'd think that it just means there's more room for me if they are going to hell
15:27 <@ignotus-sdf> lol. Yeah, I could see the direction of that.
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15:36 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: actually I'm curious
15:36 < aestetix> Whats your opinion of Saul/Paul?
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15:51 <@ignotus-sdf> Very interesting character. But I totally get him. The part I left out was 15 years as an Orthodox Chassidic Jew. Yes. They do draw blood from your willy for that.
15:51 <@ignotus-sdf> I am now considered an apostate.
15:52 <@ignotus-sdf> Lost about 80% of my "friends".
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16:03 <@ignotus-sdf> I think he is accurate in II Corinthians when he says that we basically suffer to be capable of helping others in their suffering. But then again, Suffering being a natural part of life bleeds into the Buddha as well.
16:04 <@ignotus-sdf> There is a theory that Galatians was actually written to old Celts. Some archaeology bears that out, as an ancient kingship in Cymru was found to have textiles of Mediterranean origin  from that general time period.
16:05 < RangerZ> bad new ignotus-sdf
16:05 < RangerZ> easter is cancelled, they found the body
16:06 < RangerZ> ;)
16:06 < RangerZ> lol
16:08 <@ignotus-sdf> Not new, Ignotus will officially my my name at clothing on November 14th.
16:08 <@ignotus-sdf> my my = be my
16:09 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: let me put it this way
16:09 < aestetix> How much of what we call Christianity now is actually from Paul? :)
16:10 < aestetix> For example, I believe he's responsible for the cross
16:10 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah. That's the humdinger. He really spun it on his ear.
16:10 < aestetix> Actually
16:11 <@ignotus-sdf> I am much more for John and the actual Gospels. It's harder to live by, I can tell you.
16:11 < aestetix> Do you think there's any relationship between Saul changing to Paul, and Abram changing to Abraham?
16:11 < aestetix> Does that make sense?
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> I think they are related in the sense of necessity and context. I don't think it was a literary design, if that is what you mean.
16:12 < aestetix> right
16:12 < aestetix> I can't remember why Saul changed, I know Abram did as part of the covenant
16:13 <@ignotus-sdf> An intense spiritual experience will leave you, as I call it, "on your butt in the dust". He changed because he was blinded by light. Jesus asked him why he was persecuting him, and dead guys don't talk, so that created a complete behavior modification.
16:13 < aestetix> Ok, so the name change happened after the knocked off the horse story.
16:14 <@ignotus-sdf> My experience was similar. I was virulently opposed to Christianity even 2 years ago. Now I am head into a more contemplative lifestyle, and I have never had this much peace.
16:14 <@ignotus-sdf> right.
16:15 <@ignotus-sdf> The followers or the Way didn't trust him at all for some time. He even had to leave for about 3 years into the desert.
16:15 <@ignotus-sdf> It's hard to trust someone who has been trying to kill you for years.
16:15 < aestetix> right
16:16 < aestetix> So here's another interesting question
16:16 < aestetix> What do you think John meant by "in the beginning was the Word"
16:17 < aestetix> I have actually been looking into this stuff recently as part of new research in my nym stuff
16:18 < aestetix> The other thing that intrigues me
16:18 < aestetix> God created the heavens and the earth
16:18 < aestetix> And then he said let there be light
16:18 < aestetix> Why didn't he just create the light? why did he "say" it?
16:19 < aestetix> I suspect I am not the first to ask that question :p
16:19 <@ignotus-sdf> logos. It is an interesting way to put it. In Hindu thought, there was the idea of the world being the figment of (I think it was) Vishnu's imagination. Judaism, especially Chassidic thought believes everything on earth is encompassed in a singular, yet multifaceted reality called the ein sof, what we would term God.
16:20 <@ignotus-sdf> I have wondered why it was spoken. I believe there is a story to that in the Zohar, I would have to look at it again.
16:20 < aestetix> what is Zohar?
16:20 < aestetix> er, the zohar
16:21 <@ignotus-sdf> So, we have a God whose name cannot properly be uttered, and a world that has everything single piece of majesty to confound us, along with the joy that is quantum mechanics (I LOVE quantum mechanics) and this was all brought about by a word?
16:22 < aestetix> well
16:22 < aestetix> IIRC
16:22 <@ignotus-sdf> So is that word thought? and is that thought an energetic power in and of itself?
16:22 <@Wilpig> ignotus-sdf: yes.  that word was "fuck!"
16:22 < aestetix> Plato used the same word "logos" to describe his forms
16:22 <@Wilpig> and then the previous universe began to implode
16:22 <@ignotus-sdf> It is much like your talk on names, actually. in a bizarre way. (which I enjoyed, btw)
16:22 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: which talk?
16:23 <@ignotus-sdf> I think it was about 2 years ago at PN I watched it from the twitter feed Wilpig pointed me to.
16:23 < aestetix> I'm actually working some of this into the talk I'm doing at Harvard next month. :)
16:23 <@Wilpig> this universe will end like it began.  a scientist's last word.  
16:23 < aestetix> ok
16:24 < aestetix> actually
16:24 < aestetix> I should start using that angle to attack these idiots in DC
16:24 < aestetix> Some of these identity goons are either corporate or military, and many of them are churchgoers
16:24 < aestetix> So might as well throw the whole concept of god's name up in the air for them
16:24 <@ignotus-sdf> you could. we have lost our core morality, or what we had of it.
16:26 <@ignotus-sdf> This might help with the Zohar part. http://youtu.be/7FEykDoaTHg
16:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: What is the Essence of Kabbalah? - YouTube (at youtu.be)
16:26 < aestetix> thanks
16:26 < aestetix> ah ok it's part of the kaballah
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16:27 <@ignotus-sdf> It is a mind blowing class that really makes one reconsider general religion from a much more balanced POV.
16:30 <@ignotus-sdf> actually, maybe this one. http://enterthezohar.com/
16:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Enter The Zohar (at enterthezohar.com)
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16:38 < aestetix> ignotus-sdf: it's funny, the kabbalah seems a lot like the world on LSD
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16:39 <@ignotus-sdf> :) Yeah, it takes some getting used to. But then when you start putting puzzle pieces together and get the science part almost in grasp, quantum comes in and says the exact same thing with the behavior of the quark.
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16:48 <@ignotus-sdf> I'll have to run for the bus in a few minutes, but I will be back on later, and I'll give you a good off canvas contact. I think I might be freaking people out, and that's not what I want to do. :) I just think what we call "theology" should be individually hacked for everything it has we haven't fully explored yet.
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16:48 < aestetix> off canvas?
16:48 < aestetix> I don't know why this would freak anyone out
16:49 < aestetix> Maybe I should just say penis a few more times
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16:49 <@ignotus-sdf> well, I'll give my email/blog, and anyone can get in touch with me. I'll make sure I provide links for anyone that is interested.
16:49 <@ignotus-sdf> lol!
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16:49 < aestetix> ah ok
16:50 <@ignotus-sdf> The kabbalists at ARI Institute didn't blink an eye when I left Judaism. They really don't do organized religion. This is all science to them.
16:50 < aestetix> ARI? I hope that's not Ayn Rand Institute
16:51 <@ignotus-sdf> no, this line directly descends from the Holy Ari. It's not the Madonna brand, it's the real deal.
16:51 < aestetix> ahhh ok
16:52 <@ignotus-sdf> ttyl, I gotta run...
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17:52 < aestetix> http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/28/downtown-launches-mobile-payment-app-in-palo-alto/
17:52 < aestetix> why does this exist
17:54 <@Dagmar> Because it's Palo Alto
17:55 <@Bahhumbug> +1
17:55 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing personal... but I really don't think it would be a great tragedy for that entire area to be eradicated from the planet.
17:56 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: I agree.
17:57 < aestetix> It sounds like that app will allow you to go into a restaurant, open up your phone, browse the menu on your phone, and then order that way
17:58 < aestetix> Why is looking through an actual menu hard
17:59 < aestetix> http://downtownapp.co/
17:59 < aestetix> Order and pay without waiting.
17:59 < aestetix> So the restaurant gets your money right away. Before you get your food.
18:00 < RangerZ> actually i think the phone size is limitiing, but i've argued for a long time that nicer resurants should have digital menus with pictures of every item
18:00 < RangerZ> and other stuff
18:00 < RangerZ> and you can order directly from the menu
18:01 < aestetix> This solves the problem of being stuck flirting with the cute waitress who is taking your order
18:01 < RangerZ> sorta the sheetz MTO model, but you could have each table have its own unit, etc... lots of places for innovation
18:02 < RangerZ> but where I really would like to see this is in fast food, allowing you to go up and enter your meal yourself
18:03 < aestetix> you know
18:03 < aestetix> you should tell that to the poor family that's going to lose a source of income over that
18:03 <@Dagmar> It will hurt wait staff more than Taco Bell staff
18:04 <@Dagmar> It would barely affect fast food places
18:04 < aestetix> also
18:04 < aestetix> wait staff makes most of their money by tips
18:04 < aestetix> So how can you give them a good tip if you pay them before they serve you?
18:04 <@Dagmar> Using the same app
18:05 < RangerZ> aestetix: you can't be afraid of innovation
18:05 < aestetix> What about "oh shit I paid at the beginning and I totally forgot about the tip part at the end"
18:05 <@Dagmar> Do you really not pay attention to what goes on at restaurants?
18:05 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'm not. At all.
18:05 <@Dagmar> Oh like they need an excuse to stiff waitstff
18:06 < RangerZ> ok, so if the waitress is a robot then?
18:06 < aestetix> RangerZ: provided it's actual innovation
18:06 < RangerZ> you're alright with it?
18:06 <@Dagmar> What it amounts to is that the waitstaff will become _non_ tipped and be paid a decent wage
18:06 < RangerZ> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2165339/Serving-humanity-diner-time-Chinese-restaurant-robot-staff-delights-noodle-lovers.html
18:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: Serving humanity, one diner at a time: Chinese restaurant with robot staff delights noodle-lovers | Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk)
18:06 <@Dagmar> They're being eliminaited and/or demoted to "food runner" with the app
18:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: on what do you base this "decent wage" theory
18:06 < RangerZ> most 'trivial' human tasks won't be viable to be 'human' jobs soon
18:07 <@Dagmar> aestetix: That they'll tell the police if they're still being paid $2.13/hour
18:07 < aestetix> RangerZ: and what are all the humans who are out of work going to do?
18:07 <@Dagmar> Work at restaurants other than this one
18:07 < RangerZ> art/research/science/philosophy
18:07 < aestetix> Actually this would be a great time to bring up the negative income tax
18:07 < RangerZ> or wage holy wars
18:08 < RangerZ> negative income tax will never work
18:08 < aestetix> RangerZ: yeah, if I'm struggling to pay rent and starving, I defninitely think "I'm going to study art"
18:08 <@Dagmar> THis is _one_ restaurant, in Palo Alto.
18:08 < RangerZ> b/c it would cut ALL other funding for need based aid
18:08 <@Dagmar> It has, *probably* 8-10 waitstaff
18:08 < RangerZ> why do you have to 'pay rent' ?
18:08 < RangerZ> thats a novel concept
18:08 <@Dagmar> BY the way, Becky is in town
18:08 <@Dagmar> Lindsey had damn well better ask her about Amber
18:09 < RangerZ> not sure who becky is, but ok
18:09 < aestetix> RangerZ: where exactly do these people who get cut out of their service jobs get the money to study art and philosophy
18:09 <@Dagmar> The spacey blonde that used to hang out with us
18:09 < RangerZ> aestetix: easy, they live in gov't provided housing, etc for the poor, its where we're heading
18:09 <@Dagmar> Since Amber was so quick to claim she brought Becky to us, and I don't remember Amber at all... it should be interesting.
18:10 <@Dagmar> I love shooting holes in a spy's backstory
18:10 < aestetix> RangerZ: so you're in favor of more government bureaucracy?
18:10 < RangerZ> 'favor' no, 'know it is going to happen ' yes (huge emphisis on 'eventually' there)
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18:12 < RangerZ> our GDP is 15.68m , our population is ~310m or was recently
18:12 < RangerZ> thats ~50,580$ per person
18:12 < RangerZ> sorry 15T
18:13 < aestetix> Why won't a negative income tax work
18:13 < RangerZ> politics
18:13 < RangerZ> thats all
18:13 < aestetix> oh
18:13 < RangerZ> mathematically, and economically, its fine
18:13 < aestetix> So basically we're going to be completely fucked
18:13 < aestetix> because of politics
18:13 < RangerZ> yep
18:14 < RangerZ> we have enough $ in the US to prevent any person from ever going to bed hungry, and to stop poverty
18:15 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: All it's going to do is reinforce the basic belief that crazybitch, besides, being insane, is also a lying twat.
18:15 < RangerZ> but we refuse to even address the issue really , other than bandiads or 'rules of thumbs' from 1950s based economics
18:15 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: thats a worthy goal
18:15 < RangerZ> documenting someone's insanity and lying ass, is worth it for the betterment of society
18:15 < RangerZ> lol
18:16 < RangerZ> She's already on the vandy blacklist.... i mean... i don't know what you're talking about...
18:17 < RangerZ> aestetix: but as an advanced tech user, you can't even begin to think about stopping automation from occuring, b/c its going to make you look silly
18:18 < RangerZ> http://www.inc.com/magazine/201210/david-h-freedman/the-rise-of-the-robotic-workforce.html
18:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Rise of the Robotic Work Force | Inc.com (at www.inc.com)
18:18 < RangerZ> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429248/this-robot-could-transform-manufacturing/ actual picture
18:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: This Robot Could Transform Manufacturing | MIT Technology Review (at www.technologyreview.com)
18:18 < aestetix> haha
18:18 < aestetix> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-August/045232.html
18:18 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Only if it's not known that they are lying douchebags to begin with.  In her case I thought it was a known point.
18:18 < RangerZ> its ~30K$ and works 24/7, and can do fine motor skill based construction of packaging, etc
18:18 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: its not though
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> It isn't here?
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Does she still have anyone in this venue that believes her?
18:19 < RangerZ> yes
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Note: I am not talking about your fearless leader and his entourage.
18:19 < RangerZ> unfortunately she gets 'leaks' back to her and so does fearless leader
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Speaking of spies.  Why is ware here?
18:19 < RangerZ> so there are some people
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Just asin'
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, maybe I should unmoderate him from nlug-talk.
18:20 <@Bahhumbug> Nah.
18:20 < RangerZ> he and aestetix are going to combine into a voltrone of annoyance
18:20 < RangerZ> voltron*
18:20 < RangerZ> lol
18:21 < aestetix> wow
18:21 < aestetix> google is really pulling back from g+
18:21 <@Bahhumbug> huh?
18:21 < aestetix> http://searchengineland.com/goodbye-google-authorship-201975
18:21 < aestetix> google has removed authorship from search results
18:23 < RangerZ> but really aestetix With the advances in cyber physical systems (CPS) (new name for Hybrid & Embedded Systems) the software tools for building devices that are networked and interact with the physical world is going to explode here shortly. It already is, but has been mostly focused at _super_ expensive areas, but soon we'll start seeing it in more and more
18:23 < RangerZ> NEST thermostats is one example
18:24 < RangerZ> and companies are already planning for this in the US
18:24 < RangerZ> thats why car manf. is coming back to the US
18:24 < RangerZ> cheaper after you account for the lower skilled labor force abroad
18:25 < RangerZ> and they are removing as many humans as possible via usage of robots , except for the steps where they haven't figured out how to make a robot good enough, which .... will happen soon enough
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> I worked in the MRO inventory sector for a while with out primary customer being GM.  I don't see assembly lines without humans happening for a long, long time.
18:26 <@Bahhumbug> And not just in a management capacity, but actual hands-on assembly.
18:26 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Of course they did... because NO ONE CARED.
18:33 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: i expect it within 15~20 yr
18:33 < RangerZ> but it might be stopped via legislation
18:33 < RangerZ> lol
18:33 < RangerZ> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/08/cell-phone-guide-protesters-updated-2014-edition LOL
18:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cell Phone Guide For US Protesters, Updated 2014 Edition | Electronic Frontier Foundation (at www.eff.org)
18:38 <@Bahhumbug> 15-20 years for me is a long time :)
18:38 <@Bahhumbug> I'll be 68 in 20 years :(
18:39 < RangerZ> s/0//
18:39 < RangerZ> ;)
18:39 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: not if I can help it
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: diatf
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: diaff
18:41 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: http://stuff.gerdesas.com/images/wish-you-were-here.jpg
18:41 <@Wilpig> hehe
18:41 < RangerZ> lol
18:42 <@Wilpig> found out at work today that three of my coworkers have never seen the big lebowski
18:43 <@Wilpig> I once again asked for their immediate termination, but my boss denied it
18:44 <@Bahhumbug> Has the fuck in neteng screwed with you today?
18:44 <@Wilpig> not directly, but I did at least find out more of the story and he is now getting on other people's nerves as well
18:45 <@Wilpig> so part of the reason that dumbshit exploded is because he's back in israel right now
18:45 <@Wilpig> and will be for about another two weeks
18:45 < RangerZ> whats wrong with that? lol
18:46 <@Bahhumbug> Is he a Israeli citizen?
18:46 <@Wilpig> apparently he now has to actually fear being fire bombed.
18:46 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: I honestly don't know.
18:47 <@Wilpig> I know he's from there, but have no clue if he's been naturalized or not
18:47 <@Bahhumbug> If he is he can be called up and activated.  So you should hope for that ;)
18:48 <@Wilpig> oh, Bahhumbug.  you say the sweetest things
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> hahaha
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> The next time he gives you shit send him this.
18:49 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: http://stuff.gerdesas.com/images/Fine_Point.jpg
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18:50 <@Wilpig> lol
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19:39 <@Dagmar> So apparently Amber's last name is not Adams.
19:40 <@Wilpig> this sounds like the start of a good story
19:40  * Wilpig lights a fire
19:47 <@Dagmar> It's Satterwhite.
19:47 <@Dagmar> Don't know if she had it changed or what
19:48 <@Dagmar> Becky is saying she was going to have the CIA or the FBI, but then changed her mind
19:48 <@Dagmar> er have the CIA or FBI pay for her college
19:49 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking she might damn well be working for the CIA.
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19:51 <@Wilpig> the CIA doesn't employ nutjobs, they do keep active files on them
19:58 < RangerZ> yes it does
19:58 < RangerZ> its easier to blackmail them
19:59 < RangerZ> now... the NSA paying for your college is where its at, b/c they pay up to PhD
19:59 < RangerZ> or at least masters, after that point, i couldn't find out... lol
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Is "Amber" her real first name?
20:07 <@Dagmar> Yes
20:08 <@Dagmar> Becky was able to positively ID her by her picture
20:09 <@Dagmar> "Just plain crazy" or "CIA operative", doesn't really matter.  She's a problem we're going to have to keep an eye on.
20:09 <@Wilpig> didn't she claim to have a stalker at one point
20:09 <@Wilpig> she could have changed her name then
20:10 <@Dagmar> There's dozens of perfectly reasonable reasons for her to have decided to use a different last name
20:10 <@Wilpig> what's more likely....  crazy pants changed her name because of a possible stalker or cia plant
20:11 <@Dagmar> LIke I said... it doesn't matter.  The way we have to handle her is the same.
20:11 <@Dagmar> "Crazy" or "delusional" or "cover story", the more she talks, the more she's likely to emit information contradictory to her backstory
20:12 <@Dagmar> We don't have to "prove" anything.  We just have to mitigate any mischief she could get up to.
20:12 <@Dagmar> If she's a plant and she's failing at heer job, well... LOL
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20:13 <@Bahhumbug> Invite her back, then.
20:13 <@Dagmar> If she's a divisive nutjob and we ride her out like bad weather, also LOL
20:13 <@Dagmar> Umm.. NO.
20:14 <@Bahhumbug> Hahahaha
20:14 <@Bahhumbug> Wimp :)
20:14 <@Dagmar> I ain't takin' the rap for that
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20:15 < aestetix> Dagmar: are you sure you don't have a crush on her? You think about her a lot.
20:16 <@Wilpig> aestetix: we already discussed he's her new boyfriend, he just hasn't accepted the fact yet
20:16 <@Wilpig> she "claimed" him at a 2600 meeting
20:16 < aestetix> well at least he'd get laid
20:17 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Can I watch you kick aestetix in the nuts?
20:18 < RangerZ> she scooted over, and ran her fingers through Dagmar's hair, and then ruffled it
20:18 < RangerZ> that was a sight...
20:19 <@Bahhumbug> video or it never happened.
20:19 < RangerZ> believe me...
20:19 < RangerZ> i wish i had google glasses for that one event alone
20:20 < aestetix> oh wow
20:20 < aestetix> how did Dagmar respond?
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20:21 <@Wilpig> he didn't set it on fire, and I didn't hear any tales of projectile vomit.  so, aestetix, your answer is incorrectly.
20:24 < aestetix> did he blush?
20:25 < RangerZ> he just sat there
20:25 < aestetix> Little Dagmar was probably excited
20:25 < RangerZ> i think the shock of it just put his brain into ....'hmm.... I'll decide what to do about this later'
20:28 <@Wilpig> tomorrow's movie selection is meh.  "As above so below" or "if I stay"  what say you bitches?
20:28 <@Bahhumbug> I would have rushed to the ER and gotten a shot.
20:28 < aestetix> you know
20:29 < aestetix> I'd be willing to donate a condom to Dagmar
20:29 < aestetix> to make sure he's protected when they bang
20:29 < aestetix> It's the decent thing to do
20:30 < RangerZ> anyone know where she said she moved to before moving back to nashville?
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: I feel here that you are pushing your luck.
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20:30 <@Bahhumbug> But that's just me.
20:30 < RangerZ> http://www.intelius.com/people/Amber-Satterwhite/065ak4m6wvj
20:30 < aestetix> Pushing my luck?
20:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Amber Satterwhite in Nashville, TN | Intelius.com (at www.intelius.com)
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> And as I will be entertained no matter what, please, by all means, proceed.
20:30 < RangerZ> if she's a CIA op... then she's failing badly
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> That looks more like a marriage than a name change.
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> Or she had it changed by her mom when she was still a juvi.
20:37 < RangerZ> either way, it really doesn't change anything major, just means she's still not woth fucking with aestetix's dick, on a 20ft. pole
20:38 < RangerZ> or... letting her speak/be near/breathe near any group meeting....
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> You can bang with with weev's dick.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> And really.  The only way you're going to get rid of her is when she grows bored and moves on.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> she attached herself to your fearless leader.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> And he seems blinded to her real self.
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20:40 <@Bahhumbug> (Or throw her down an elevator shaft.
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> That would work as well.)
20:40 <@Wilpig> +1
20:42 < RangerZ> nah
20:42 < RangerZ> thats mean to the elevator shaft
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20:56 <@Bahhumbug> The shaft won't care.
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> Trust me.
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> And it's also likely the only "shaft" she's going to get any time soon.
20:57 <@Bahhumbug> Because elevators don't have standards.
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21:30 <@Wilpig> but Bahhumbug, she marked Dagmar as her property.  surely she can get shaft from her property
21:31 <@Bahhumbug> You're being brave because of distance, right? :)
21:31 <@Wilpig> you know it
21:31 <@Bahhumbug> :D
21:32 <@Bahhumbug> I have to give Dagmar credit for not biting on any of this.
21:32 <@Bahhumbug> Although it is lessening my entertainment.
21:32 <@Wilpig> I was guessing he wasn't around just at the moment
21:34 <@Bahhumbug> He doesn't bite on most of the comments along these lines.  Props where due.
21:43 <@Dagmar> I can't type and sharpen at the same time.
21:50 <@Bahhumbug> heh
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22:14 < RangerZ> https://phreaknic.info/node/1/speakers nadda
22:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Speakers | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
22:16 <@Bahhumbug> You sound surprised.
22:24 < RangerZ> surprised, no
22:24 < RangerZ> saddened yes
22:28 <@GateKeeper> NOTICE: Still no speakers listed for Phreaknic 18
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22:46 <@Bahhumbug> Because I just love spam....
22:47 <@Bahhumbug> That checks hourly now to see if there are actually speakers listed or not :)
22:47 <@brimstone> you are so spiteful
22:48 <@Bahhumbug> Not really, I just like automation and this whole situation entertains me.
22:49 <@brimstone> saying you're not spiteful doesn't make you not spiteful
22:49 <@Bahhumbug> You logged into idlerpg yet?
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22:50 <@brimstone> have you seen how many times i've disconnected in the last hour alone?
22:50 <@brimstone> i guess just one this hour, but twice the hour before
22:50 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.  Not enough to trigger my urge to punt to ##fix_your_connection to not on my radar.
22:50 <@Bahhumbug> Let me know when you're logged in.  I'll demonstrate "spiteful" :)
22:50 <@Bahhumbug> (Actually, I won't.  I don't play that game.)
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23:00 <@GateKeeper> NOTICE: Still no speakers listed for Phreaknic 18
23:01 <@Wilpig> lol
23:01 < RangerZ> nice...
23:01 < RangerZ> also... apparently DC hired one PR/marketing/exec person who knows wtf they are doing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzmoE9SKlDg
23:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker - Part 8 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:02 < RangerZ> actually putting up the entire movie on youtube in parts, legally
23:02 < RangerZ> 1080p
23:08 < RangerZ> ho ho ho.... http://youtu.be/i1PxI69r69Y?t=7m15s
23:08 < RangerZ> they put a captain america joke in a batman movie...
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23:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker - Part 2 - YouTube (at youtu.be)
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23:18 < aestetix> http://io9.com/cosplayers-fight-for-online-anonymity-and-privacy-durin-1627985487
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23:20 < RangerZ> aestetix: got a link for you , hold on
23:22 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVUwZjSUBXc
23:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Livestreamers Getting "Swatted"? What is swatting? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:22 < RangerZ> link in the description
23:22 < RangerZ> both worth watching
23:22 < aestetix> ok
23:22 < aestetix> is that the guy who got swatted while gaming?
23:24 < RangerZ> 'the guy' , he's one of many
23:24 <@Wilpig> wha?
23:24 < RangerZ> he just so happened to be the most recent known, and had a decent video of it
23:24 <@Wilpig> isn't that the dude that goes by francis?
23:24 < RangerZ> yes
23:25 < RangerZ> asshats are spoofing the phone numbers of streamers, and calling 911, and pretending there is a SWAT level police issue going on, and .... well ... 'swat-ting'
23:26 < RangerZ> and 'that guy' who got swatted = the linked video, not francis
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23:27 <@Bahhumbug> People that do that type of thing should have their fingers put in a vice and slowly crushed.
23:27 < RangerZ> gotta ease off the preassure every so often
23:27 < RangerZ> so they feel more pain
23:32 <@Bahhumbug> Nah.
23:32 <@Bahhumbug> Just turn it _real_ _real_ slow.
23:32 <@Bahhumbug> A shot of adrenaline every couple of hours will help as well.
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