--- Log opened Sun Aug 24 00:00:06 2014
--- Day changed Sun Aug 24 2014
00:00 <@oddball> "crunchy on the outside, with a soft squishy center of hate."
00:00 <@Wilpig> shapr: http://se2600.org/ircstats/week.html  <-- you have a face now
00:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: #se2600 @ Freenode stats by Evilpig (at se2600.org)
00:00 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 45 nicks [25 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
00:02  * Wilpig wonders which of you spies is out to get him
00:02 <@Wilpig> fuckin' aestetix, asshole spy
00:02 <@oddball> I have no idea what you're talking about, good friend citizen.
00:03 <@Wilpig> it's time for more bravely default then sleep
00:03 <@Wilpig> this game is stupid long
00:03 <@Wilpig> how many times do I have to destroy these fuckin' crystals
00:09  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> I'm thinking that's not a smart (or safe) idea.
00:12 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you can click on my links any time.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> May you not have rain for another 90 days.
00:13 < aestetix> That is sadly more likely than not.
00:13 <@Wilpig> hug him again
00:17 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... not a good idea.
00:35 <@Bahhumbug> Cute.  Response from your fearless leader.
00:35 <@Bahhumbug> Which seems like absolute CYA bullshit.
00:39 <@Wilpig> again someone else's fault
00:40 <@oddball> He appears to be blaming... Ben for saying that the site was live in the minutes?
00:42 <@Bahhumbug> I don't get that from it.
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> I do, however, get that it's playing cover your ass with the fact that install.php was _STILL_ there after the site was installed.
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> There is absolutely no excuse for that.
00:47 <@oddball> That's mostly what I've heard from him this year.  Excuses why it's someone else's fault that shit isn't getting done/shit was done wrong.
00:48 <@Dagmar> OH MY GOD
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00:53 <@Wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbnciqXfj4I
00:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Bravely Default - Limit Break! How to Get/Send 999999 Damage via Bravely Second - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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01:14 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.angryduck.com/pics/all_fixed3828.htm
01:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: all fixed (at www.angryduck.com)
01:25 <@Wilpig> lol
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01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> Bahhumbug: leave the PN website alone
01:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats just mean
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> oh fuck... i was trying to make ajoke
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you REALLY were making fun of it
02:16 <@Bahhumbug> Out of all the people talking about that you single _me_ out?
02:26 <@Dagmar> Oh crap
02:26 <@Dagmar> On this new show 'Intruder' they've got this guy going around shooting people, and sometimes handing out a black card with a gold '9' on one side and a phone number on the other.
02:27 <@Dagmar> https://www.google.com/search?q=(206)+749+9999
02:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: (206 - Google Search (at www.google.com)
02:27 <@Dagmar> It's a barber shop
02:27 <@Dagmar> Those poor people
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> wait... 'still wrapping up'
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> how long ago was the drupal insalled
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> installed*
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats such bs
02:39 <@Dagmar> Yes, apparently the narrative is that they were building the site on the _live_ site
02:40 <@Dagmar> ...which just goes to prove my point that some random asshole could find a vulnerability in the server at any time.
02:56 <@Bahhumbug> It's drupal.  Give it a week, there will be an exploit against that version.
02:57 <@Bahhumbug> Although I have to admit; they've gotten their house in better order over the past year or so.
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> they had to
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c otherwise people were going to move to different CMS
02:59 <@Bahhumbug> Not really.  Case in point, phpbb from a couple years ago.
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> ?
02:59 <@Bahhumbug> People are idiots; they will use whatever is shiny.
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> i haven't really followed
02:59 <@Bahhumbug> phpbb had an exploit of a week issue for _years_.
02:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> well yeah, phpbb is crap
02:59 <@Bahhumbug> People continued to use it.
03:00 <@Bahhumbug> Because... shiny.
03:00 <@Bahhumbug> (And the fact that SMF didn't do a lot to advertise itself for a long time)
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> phpbb had exploits that were well known back in 2005/6
03:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> i can only imagine what would happen with "web 2.0" stuff
03:01 < aestetix> wow
03:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b *!pb@unaffiliated/pandorasbox] by Bahhumbug
03:01 < aestetix> the bay area has become so tone policed
03:01 < aestetix> I was at a thing tonight, and someone asked me how I was
03:01 < aestetix> and I was like "well besides the weather being shit..."
03:02 < aestetix> he said "oh, the weather isn't so bad"
03:02 < aestetix> He apparently didn't realize that we're having one of the worst droughts in recorded history.
03:02 < aestetix> Either that or he was afraid to say anything critical about anything.
03:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, he meant personally he likes that kind of weather
03:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats all
03:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're over thinking it
03:02 <@Bahhumbug> For someone that complains about the BA as much as you do one might think that you'd be looking to relocate to somewhere that didn't suck as bad.
03:03 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: oh I am relocating
03:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's moving in with weev
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> Moving in with Corydon76-home?
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> HAHAHAHAHAHA
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> weev.
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> What's the cock rocket up to?
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> Still "free"?
03:03 < aestetix> I don't know if Corydon76-home would let me move in
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> gov't doesn't care about him, they are just going to let him waste money by spending it on keeping a lawyer on retainer
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: i'll let you move in, rent is only 80% of what you'd pay in SF
03:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> great discount
03:04 <@Bahhumbug> He's a fuck up.  He'll fuck up again and be locked up again right where he belongs.
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> speaking of moving...
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> did you see Phil Fish, got doxed
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and apparently he lives here in east nashville
03:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> guy is as big (or likely bigger) tool than weev
03:06 <@Bahhumbug> No one is as big of a tool as weev.
03:06 <@Bahhumbug> He puts the tool in douchebag racist cunt.
03:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh phil fish is in the fucking running
03:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> he thinks making indie games is "the most important thing " etc, and is a fucking asshat on social media to his 'fan's
03:07 < aestetix> who is phil fish
03:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> he made Fez
03:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> an indie game that made it big
03:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> kinda a cool concept, you rotate the entire world like a 6 sided die, and have your character run around it, base don perspective
03:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> but he table flipped and raged out to his car to cry...  when someone said something to him about why fez2 is taking too long
03:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> without quotes it doesn't sound that bad, but he's just a douche
03:10 <@Bahhumbug> And this is supposed to be in the same league as an anti-semetic asshole like weev?
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> think of a 'fearless leader' with a lot of actual game contacts and social media followers
03:10 <@Bahhumbug> I think you're a little confused.
03:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, i just don't count weev as much
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> he talks big, but its not like anyone cares what he says, lol
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... either way, douchbag olympics for these guys, i have no problem weev breaking the world record forgold
03:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
03:11 <@Bahhumbug> I'd still welcome an opportunity to punch that asshole in the throat and watch him writhe around on the ground gasping for air.
03:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok... sleep time... b/c I almost just sent 'asdfffff+ fx500 times... '
03:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> night
03:13 <@Bahhumbug> g'nite
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10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: congrats
10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> you still have power
10:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> (earth quake out that way)
10:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> so i've seen this Nationwide insurance ad, that really annoys me, it claims that mothers are the safest thing in the car, with 'maternal responses' etc
10:28 <@Wilpig> http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/dependsonhowyoutakeitiddefinedoingbetterthanhitleriskillingnopeoplewhatsoeverbutthisguydoesntseemtothinkso.png
11:22 < RangerZ> ok... so... I fell back alseep before making my point about the nationwide commercial... lol
11:23 < RangerZ> but anways... it annoys me as hell, b/c it says the mom is the safest thing in the car
11:23 < RangerZ> despite the fact that humans are the most unsafe part of cars
11:23 < RangerZ> lol
11:37 < RangerZ> well... other than Dagmar's old beemer...
11:37 < RangerZ> that thing.... yeah...
11:47 <@Wilpig> you should call your insurance company and demand the same rates as a mother
11:47 <@Wilpig> claim discrimination
11:47 < RangerZ> there are exceptions to allow discrimination in insurance
11:48 <@Wilpig> and that's bullshit
11:48 < RangerZ> yes/no
11:48 <@Wilpig> yes
11:48 < RangerZ> its based on statistics
11:48 <@Wilpig> so is racial profiling
11:48 < RangerZ> and statistically males have more crashes when they are young
11:49 < RangerZ> how is it racial?
11:49 <@Wilpig> racial profiling is based on statistics
11:49 < RangerZ> on 'bad' statistics, yes
11:49 <@Wilpig> but statistics all the same
11:50 < RangerZ> so?
11:50 < RangerZ> stats are just a tool
11:50 <@Wilpig> so it invalidates your argument
11:50 < RangerZ> its how you use that tool that matters
11:50 < RangerZ> not really
11:51 < RangerZ> b/c I compared males when they are young to females with children
11:51 < RangerZ> and if there is not statistical difference (with good valid stats) then there shouldn't be a price discrepency
11:51 < RangerZ> if there is, THEN that is discrimination
11:51 <@Wilpig> but that's a skewed statistic.  hwo do you know that young males with chidren drive horribly?
11:52 < RangerZ> I never said it 'definately' a true statistic, just one that I believe has been proven over with detailed reporting
11:53 <@Wilpig> so you're proving that they have at a very minimum bad statistics behind their rates
11:53 < RangerZ> 'sure'
11:53 < RangerZ> w/e
11:53 < RangerZ> i'm not going to defend the exact stats that they use, b/c I don't know them offhand
11:54 <@Wilpig> you should care because you're paying higher rates because of that skew
11:54 <@Wilpig> a guy I work with here was quoted $600 a month for insurance.  I have it in the back of my mind to find out why at some point
11:55 < RangerZ> 1) his demographics 2) his home location 3) his job location 4) his driving record 5) his vehicle
11:55 < RangerZ> those are the 5 biggest variables
11:56 <@Wilpig> I already know he hits high on some of the danger marks.
11:56 <@Wilpig> he's under 25, living in NJ(home of insanity on the roads), he's never owned a car only leased
11:57 <@Wilpig> I suspect he has wrecks on his record but I haven't asked
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11:58 < RangerZ> yeah, b/c I pay something like 120/mo for full coverage
11:58 <@Wilpig> i'm sub $100 a month at this point.
11:59 <@Wilpig> I wanna say I pay ~$580/6 mo
12:01 < RangerZ> mine is higher b/c i have a loan still
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12:02 < RangerZ> plus you're like 25 years older or something like that
12:02 < RangerZ> lol
12:02  * Wilpig shakes his cane at RangerZ 
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12:11 < RangerZ> LOL... just sent a friend a messge I found really funny after I typed it out, didn't really think it was as funny until after I sat and thought about it more and more, lol
12:11 < RangerZ> "as far as I know, you're fucked, and not even in the good way, where you get untied afterwards "
12:12  * Wilpig drops a pin
12:12 < RangerZ> ehh
12:13 < RangerZ> My sense of humor is dark/weird , and I fully admit that, and have no problem when others don't find things as funny
12:13 < RangerZ> lol
12:43 <@oddball> I don't find that funny, just accurate.
12:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> its about facebooks chat app or w/e its called now
12:44 <@oddball> I still don't understand the uproar over that.
12:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone use that? apparently they merged the 'app' and the 'chat app' into one app
12:44 <@oddball> If you don't like it, and you shouldn't, don't fucking install it.
12:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not even exactly sure what its about
12:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> facebook chat is most people's #1 chat now
12:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c msn went away, aim has pretty much died
12:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> skype is 'ugh'
12:45 <@oddball> I believe you have it backwards.  The old facebook app included their messenger service and they recently decided to make it its own app for... reasons.
12:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> see, I don't know... or care..
12:46 <@Corydon76-home> That's also what makes AIM so good... most of the idiots have left
12:46 <@oddball> Google hangouts is still good.
12:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> I still say msn was the best messanger, b/c it had all the functionality you would want, with only 1 small ad that you could hide (for a long time)
12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> then they started making that worse and worse too
12:47 <@Corydon76-home> Pidgin has _zero_ ads
12:47 <@oddball> Of course, one of my requirements is that a chat program must be able to be accessed by third party software (specifically centerim), and well... that's not an option with Facebook Messenger.
12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes it is
12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> its XMPP based
12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> i have facebook messanger on pidgin right now
12:48 <@oddball> Oh is it now?  Last I looked it wasn't/no one could figure it out.
12:48 <@oddball> Granted, that was a while ago.
12:48 <@oddball> I might add it to my list, then.
12:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: I was talking about non-advanced users, they could just install msn, and be done with it
12:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> for _us_ yeah... XMPP is the way of the future
12:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> for fucks sake... Star Citizen is using XMPP for its in game chat, so you can chat outside of the game if you want
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> Well, but then Google Hangouts dropped support for XMPP, didn't they?
12:51 <@oddball> I've noticed that game designers have started realizing that there are some damned good chat protocols floating around that they can just plug-in instead of build their own (I believe a number of games just setup irc servers).
12:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
12:51 <@oddball> Not yet, they haven't/
12:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> hangouts dropped the 'federated xmpp login' abilities of hangouts
12:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c people were using that for spam
12:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> you just now need to have a google login to connect with xmpp
12:52 <@oddball> There was a lot of talk about them doing so when they made the name change to Hangouts, but said that they would keep the old protocols for legacy devices.  That was... a while ago.
12:52 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.zdnet.com/google-moves-away-from-the-xmpp-open-messaging-standard-7000015918/
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12:53 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Don't know what to tell you beyond that was over a year ago, and I'm still connecting to their service using XMPP through centerim.
12:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> also, a lot of 'discontinued xmpp support' was not allowing features like federation, which were the spammer's attack vector
12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, that article talks about that
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13:04 <@Wilpig> ugh.  tired of typing this line.  yum -y install smbios-utils-python;smbios-sys-info;smbios-sys-info --asset-tag --set=000000
13:06 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: Happy birthday
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13:24 <@Wilpig> well that's just fuckin' weird.  only one of these nodes went into burnin
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14:20 <@Corydon76-home> https://storify.com/WanderinChild/of-incident-reports-and-misspent-charity
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14:44 < aestetix> Wilpig: found another pic of your gf: http://imgur.com/xz0rjl3
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14:51 <@Shadow404> oh yeah, i could see Wilpig and her together
14:57 < aestetix> http://www.theonion.com/articles/horribly-awkward-first-sexual-encounter-worth-the,1614/
15:04 < RangerZ> pretty much
15:06 < RangerZ> 10% chance 'linda' is a guy in this story
15:10 < RangerZ> http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/19/zero-tolerance-school.html
15:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: LA schools to end zero-tolerance policies and criminalization of students | Al Jazeera America (at america.aljazeera.com)
15:11 < RangerZ> wow... I didn't realize that if you.... got into a fight... the police would be called
15:26 <@Corydon76-home> Of course.  The thugs want to see if there's anybody worth recruiting to their ranks.
16:00 < aestetix> I wonder what would happen if I gave Donald Duck an enema
16:15 < RangerZ> you and your quacky endings
16:17 <@Bahhumbug> Donald would just kick you in the nuts.
16:17 <@Bahhumbug> And I would pay to see that.
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17:19 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: with his little webbed feet things?
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17:25 <@Bahhumbug> Encased in steel-pointed boots.
17:38 < RangerZ> ...  a 'hacker group' who is DDOSing sony gave a bomb threat to the plane with sony's CEO on it
17:38 < RangerZ> http://kotaku.com/sony-online-presidents-flight-diverted-after-hacker-bom-1626249376
17:38 < RangerZ> president* not ceo, but still....
17:39 < aestetix> What is the difference between president and ceo
17:39 < RangerZ> paperwork
17:40 < RangerZ> Wilpig: you're from central KY right?
17:40 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBzw4X24eWA
17:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Surprising Links Between Violence, Religion & Alcohol Found In This New Study - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:47 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: western
17:52 <@Bahhumbug> No more list drama?
17:52  * Bahhumbug is disappointed
17:54 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: we can change that easily
17:54 <@Wilpig> it's not everyday you can point out some dipshit left an installer in place
17:54 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: I and google beg to differ :)
17:55 <@Bahhumbug> Part of the blame should be on the drupal "devs"; it's not difficult to disable the installer automatically if it sees that there is real content.  And it really shouldnt' do what it did without prompting.
17:56 <@Bahhumbug> I agree it was a pathetic mistake to leave it in place but there _are_ technical methods to prevent such occurances.
17:56 <@Wilpig> if the installer is left in place in opendcim it simply won't function normally
17:56 <@Bahhumbug> (But that would take away our amusement)
17:56 < aestetix> So you know
17:57 < aestetix> a socket listening to data is sort of like a vagina, and the data request is kind of like a penis
17:57 < aestetix> your browser contacts the server and ejaculates a request
17:59 < aestetix> if you look at it that way, every web page your browser serves up is like a newborn child
17:59 < aestetix> or an abortion
18:22 <@Dagmar> No.
18:24 <@Dagmar> Jeez the state of NFC rings is still crap
18:26 <@Dagmar> GalaRing has them to market in quantity, but they have four sizes... 17mm, 18mm, 20mm, and 22mm.... which are like a 6.8, a 7.9, a 10.35 and a 12.9
18:27 <@Dagmar> NFC Ring can't seem to get more than a half dozen in stock at any one time
18:28 <@Dagmar> ...and they're out of the size I need.
18:29 <@Dagmar> It makes me want to just order http://www.vivalnk.com/
18:38 < RangerZ> Dagmar: from what i've seen, nfc tags just aren't "consumer" bought much
18:39 <@Dagmar> That's probably the case, but this is more a matter of they *can't* buy the rings
18:40 <@Dagmar> We can get the tags for super fucking cheap in lots of 1000
18:41 <@Dagmar> Definitely something to look into for next years PH
18:42 <@Dagmar> Like fifteen cents
18:50 < RangerZ> ohh really? they have gone down that much?
18:51 < RangerZ> and by 'rings' you mean the wireless power tranfer ring/antenna ?
18:54 <@Dagmar> When you buy *just* the tags, on a spool, from China, in lots of 1000 they are cheap as fuck
18:55 <@Dagmar> ...and by NFC rings I mean a ring that goes on a finger which has an NFC tag built into it.
18:59 <@Dagmar> In the land of "dozens" the price is more like eighty-cents each, minimum
19:07 <@Dagmar> Drat.  I have somehow lost my phone dock.
19:07 <@Dagmar> I was going to dremel that to fit the phone plus battery today
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19:28 <@Dagmar> Acutally... Pfft.  I bet I gave it to NotLarry.  HEh
19:29 <@Dagmar> It was for the GS2 and I sold him the phone so I probably gave him that at the same time
19:29 <@Dagmar> It's kind of hard to keep track of 100 things that are all "small, black, weird-looking"
19:35  * Wilpig doesn't make a plantation owner joke from that
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20:03 < aestetix> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/at-the-facebook-hacker-party-cant-we-all-just-be-friends
20:28 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'm not letting them get away with thinking the problem from yesterday happened because of a lack of "coordination".
20:28 <@Dagmar> Fuck that
20:28 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to go so far as to call out the three people who were responsible for the fuckup.  They are smart enough to figure out what they did wrong.
20:29 <@Dagmar> ...but we'll see if Crazypants tries to twist these details up
20:29 <@Dagmar> I am just about done with her shit
20:29 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: well written
20:30 <@Shadow404> i wonder if crazypants has been in any previous organized social groups and burned bridges to the point she had to find another group?
20:30 <@Shadow404> from what you guys say about her, i wouldnt doubt that has happened before
20:30 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: yes she has
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> She has.
20:30 <@Shadow404> heh
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> And she will continue to do so.
20:30 <@Shadow404> confirmed cases?
20:30 <@Shadow404> or just speculation?
20:30 <@Bahhumbug> Because she's an insane fucking nutbag that should be locked up in a padded cell.
20:31 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: documented
20:31 <@Shadow404> wow
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> And whatever cunt in this channel is feeding this back to her / them / it / whatever - hi.  Go fuck yourself.
20:31 <@Wilpig> shoudl take you just a few google searches to find them
20:31 <@Shadow404> i dont know eough about her, (name, picture, etc) to know
20:31 <@Shadow404> or search
20:31 <@Dagmar> She's burned _several_ bridges
20:31 <@Bahhumbug> Amber Adams
20:32 <@Shadow404> ok
20:32 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm about goddamn sick of her lurking behind the scenes and poisoning shit
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> A simple google search should be all it takes.  It took me 10 seconds to find a pic a few months ago and much longer to bleach my eyes.
20:32 <@Dagmar> I find it especially irritating that she was claiming we cause gossip and strife _in here_
20:32 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: i wasnt asking, we dont ask for names in general per code of hacker ethic (if that is an actual term)
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> She released her own name.
20:32 <@Shadow404> ah ok
20:32 <@Bahhumbug> Come on, you should know be better than that by now.
20:32 <@Wilpig> I take personal offense to gossip.  If i'm gonna say something it's gonna be to your dumb face
20:33 <@Dagmar> That she thinks nothing ill of people likw weev should be a warning sign
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> +10000
20:33 <@Wilpig> I do cause strife, that's just me
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> Everything I say I've said in her presence _TO HER_.
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: I was unaware of that.
20:33 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Being that this is a pretty accessible forum, I take offense to any of the things being said in the channel being construed as "gossip"
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> Another nail in her coffin, then.
20:33 <@Shadow404> gah, uggly
20:33 <@Shadow404> i bet anna hangs with her
20:33 <@Bahhumbug> That's being kind.
20:34 <@Wilpig> I am curious who the mole is in here.  I find it really funny if raw logs have been reaching witless leader that he's reading something into them that isn't there
20:34 < RangerZ> Shadow404: lets just say... she was one of the people who wrote weev while he was jail
20:34 <@Shadow404> lawl
20:34 <@Dagmar> Is there evidence of a continued effort to mine the channel?
20:34 <@Dagmar> ...because frankly the only reason I've not called her out at a meeting is because I had parents who cared.
20:35 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 46 nicks [24 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
20:35 <@Dagmar> I can *tolerate* weev, but anyone who doesn't see a problem there has seriously distorted their own views on socially-acceptable behaviour
20:35 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: I have no idea if it is still going on,  the fact that it went on at one point is more than enough
20:36 < RangerZ> Shadow404: she straight up admitted that she was only involved with PN, b/c she isn't allowed at any of the other 'programming' related groups in town....
20:36 <@Bahhumbug> I would be shocked if various asswipes weren't lurking here taking in everything said and twisting it to fit their needs.
20:36 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: thats awful
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: From what was said in here by others she has burned every bridge she's crossed over.
20:37 <@Shadow404> and we allow her to do her antics still here
20:37 < RangerZ> the TN/KY PHP-UGs have banned her for life or something
20:37 <@Shadow404> ffs, she needs to burn all bridges with 2600 too
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> _WE_?
20:37 <@Shadow404> and gtfo from what im hearing
20:37 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: no.  You'll note that we banned her ass our of here months ago
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> I don't think "we" is approproate.
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20:37 <@Dagmar> ...because she did nothing but sit around and cause strife
20:37 <@Shadow404> well, se2600 is a group
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> I actually dropped the ban.
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> Just to see if she'd show up.
20:37 <@Shadow404> and we do have bylaws in tn
20:37 <@Bahhumbug> She never did.
20:38 <@Dagmar> The final straw came when she joined in here late one night while drunk or something and literally walked through the entire list of people in the channel trying to start a fight.
20:38 < RangerZ> i think she did 1 night
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> I am an outright asshole.
20:38 <@Wilpig> he did, much to my horror he did
20:38 < RangerZ> and then never returned
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> But she made me look like Mother Theresa.
20:38 <@Dagmar> NotLarry dropped that ban.
20:38 <@Dagmar> *NOtLarry*
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> She fought with _everytone_ in here.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> Without exception.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, no.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> But whatever.
20:38 <@Bahhumbug> I banned it.  I dropped the ban on it.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> If someone rebanned after that I don't remember it.
20:39 <@Shadow404> yeah, i enjoyed ragging on her
20:39 <@Dagmar> No, you were *one* of the people
20:39 <@Shadow404> was so easy
20:39 <@Dagmar> heh
20:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+ri] by Bahhumbug
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> Damn it.
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> fixing
20:39 <@Bahhumbug> :/
20:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [-ri] by Bahhumbug
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry :/
20:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b $a:anarchival] by Bahhumbug
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> There.
20:40 <@Wilpig> #se2600.2014-04-14.log:09:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b $a:anarchival] by Bahhumbug
20:40 <@Wilpig> #se2600.2014-04-30.log:21:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b $a:anarchival] by Bahhumbug
20:40 <@Wilpig> thought it was more recent than that.
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.  She's been gone for months.
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> And it was quiet.  And it was good.
20:41 <@Wilpig> I knew she had been gone for months, I thought the removal was recent
20:41 <@Bahhumbug> I did too, actually.
20:42 <@Wilpig>  grep -i anarchival \#se2600.2014-0* | grep \\-b
20:42 <@Wilpig> that should have picked it up right?
20:42 <@Bahhumbug> Probably
20:43 <@Wilpig> did a slightly different search and same results
20:43 <@Wilpig> #se2600.2014-02-28.log:16:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b $a:anarchival$##shortbus] by Bahhumbug
20:43 <@Wilpig> hehe
20:44 < RangerZ> ...
20:44 <@Dagmar> Either way, the buck-stopping point was when I saw NotLarry, the hippie, take action
20:44 < RangerZ> i'm so glad I can't been seen laughing at that
20:44 < RangerZ> be seen*
20:44 <@Wilpig> dag i've got no mention of notlarry in relation to her ban. unless I was somehow not on channel
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-01-18.log:2014-01-18T13:53:48  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: +b $a:anarchival
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-01-25.log:2014-01-25T15:26:57  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: +b $a:anarchival
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-02-28.log:2014-02-28T21:39:05  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: +b $a:anarchival$##shortbus
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-03-03.log:2014-03-03T00:59:26  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: +b $a:anarchival
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-04-14.log:2014-04-14T13:51:43  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: +b $a:anarchival
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Those are the ones in my bot logs.
20:45 <@Dagmar> wilpig: It may have been during a split
20:45 < RangerZ> yeah
20:45 <@Wilpig> entirely possible
20:45 <@Dagmar> It's possible that was the only reason she was in here
20:45 < RangerZ> back when we were splitting every 3min
20:45 <@Dagmar> ....but she very much did call out six people in here by name, including klixa, and try a personal attack to start a fight with each and every person.
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-01-18.log:2014-01-18T14:20:40  *** aestetix sets mode: -b $a:anarchival
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-01-25.log:2014-01-25T17:00:00  *** ChanServ sets mode: -b $a:anarchival
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-02-28.log:2014-02-28T21:46:33  *** ChanServ sets mode: -b $a:anarchival$##shortbus
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-04-14.log:2014-04-14T13:50:47  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: -b $a:anarchival
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> #se2600.2014-05-01.log:2014-05-01T01:17:05  *** Bahhumbug sets mode: -b $a:anarchival
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> Unbans
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> The chanserv's were her.
20:46 <@Dagmar> Ask NotLarry about it later.  I'm pretty sure he'll remember.
20:47 <@Shadow404> she got irc ops involved?
20:47 <@Bahhumbug> Chanserv's "unban" command.
20:47 <@Bahhumbug> Freenode staff will not interfer in channel politics.
20:47 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: she had ops for a while like eveyrone in here
20:47 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind that for historical reasons, pretty much everyone in here is an op
20:47 <@Bahhumbug> Not unless AUP is being violated and even then they normally won't.
20:48 <@Wilpig> pretty much if anyone asks or I notice them in here often ill throw em in ops
20:48 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: true, thats why i was confused
20:48 <@Dagmar> Although we've got a few people with "owner" status who can be trusted enough to be allowed to supercede everything via Chanserv, it's literally impossible for someone to take over the channel if everyone has +o
20:48 <@Shadow404> its hard to get ops taken away
20:48 <@Shadow404> you basically have to be like her or fuck, forgot his name
20:48 <@Dagmar> M*rcst*r
20:48 <@Shadow404> no
20:48 <@Shadow404> ore recent
20:48 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster / cirkit.
20:48 <@Shadow404> *more
20:48 <@Bahhumbug> At least in my time here.
20:49 <@Dagmar> That would be cerkit then
20:49 <@Dagmar> ...and she was more vitriolic than both of them put together.
20:49  * Wilpig punches Bahhumbug 
20:49 <@Bahhumbug> mercster was just annoying.
20:49 <@Wilpig> stop tempting fate
20:49 <@Bahhumbug> He's still banned.
20:49 <@Dagmar> cerkit would take devil's advodation to the next level, but he generally believed the shit he said
20:50 <@Dagmar> He liked heated argumentation but I never saw signs that he sat around just spoiling for a fight, as it were
20:50 <@Dagmar> Anarchival, on the other hand...
20:50 <@Dagmar> Clearly, she likes to start drama
20:51 <@Bahhumbug> Being a raging alcoholic doesn't help.
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> But, and this won't make people happy....
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> You have to admit, she has had an effect here.
20:52 <@Wilpig> yes
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> She's not been present for months and yet here we are, still talking about her.
20:52 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to go out on a (stout, short) limb here and say that alcholoism is just a screen for the fact that she's a twisted and bitter person.
20:53 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: because she gets JonnyX to drive her to meetings and back and I'm pretty sure the majority of that time she's filling his head with gossip and deliberate distortions of fact
20:53 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to start showing up to the PN planning meetings without fail now
20:53 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps.  But considering that booze amplifies moods...  I'd say it just magnifies her shitty disposition.
20:53 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: on aother topic.  what'd you think of doctor who yesterday?
20:53 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: YAY
20:53 <@Dagmar> wilpig: No idea who the crazy bitch at the end is tho
20:53 <@Dagmar> ...as in *still* no idea
20:54 <@Wilpig> she's the new badwolf
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: I don't argue that fact at all.  I've been saying for months that she has his ear and he buys everything he's told.
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> Because, well, HE'S NOT FUCKING HERE.
20:54 <@Wilpig> curious how long she's actually been in play though
20:54 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
20:54 <@Dagmar> I don't *think* she's The Master, and I'm pretty damn sure she's not Romana
20:54 <@Dagmar> ...but she fuckin' acts like The Master.
20:54 <@Wilpig> part of that bs is he already has a place in his head that i'm out to get him.  she just reinforces that idea
20:54 <@Dagmar> He likes to give people what they want, whether it will hurt them or not
20:55 <@Bahhumbug> Is Jenna-Louise Coleman still the companion?
20:55 <@Dagmar> For now
20:55 <@Bahhumbug> Meh
20:55 <@Dagmar> She *almost* walked
20:55 <@Bahhumbug> Hottest companion ever.
20:55 <@Wilpig> Curious to see how this new doctor is gonna handle the british government.  since he's already shown to dislike them
20:55 <@Dagmar> Well, he's Scottish now
20:56 <@Dagmar> ...so he's going to be pre-disposed to blame the English for everything.
20:56 <@Dagmar> They've already made that joke, remember?
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> Works for me.
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> I know _I_ blame them for everything.
20:56 <@Wilpig> I didn't catch the scottish bit.  need to watch again I guess
20:56 <@Dagmar> It happens when he's talking to the derelict in the alley
20:56 <@Bahhumbug> I 'spose I should torrent that down at some point.
20:56 <@Dagmar> Shortly after the bit about "These eyebrows could go off and form their own soveriegn nation of eyebrow"
20:58 <@Dagmar> ...and to correct a detail, the Doctor has no long-standing "problem" with the British, or their government.
20:59 <@Dagmar> They just have a tendency to up and randomly declare him an Enemy of the State from time to time, so he watches them with suspicion until he is sure of which way the wind is blowing at the moment.
20:59 <@Dagmar> Like, sometimes UNIT are on his side... Sometimes the PM or a Queen wants him dead
20:59 <@Dagmar> Usually a queen.
20:59 <@Dagmar> Can't say I much blame them either
21:00 <@Dagmar> It's hard to be an imperial monarch when there's someone running around ignoring you and *flirting* with your predecessor.
21:00 <@klixa> Bahhumbug: she has this effect despite being gone cause shes not gone...they see her in real life...she is still causing issues in real life
21:01 <@klixa> and then you have people like ben defending her
21:01 <@Dagmar> Let's hope Ben doesn't get in my way
21:02 <@Wilpig> ben will side with you,  he sides with both sides in an argument
21:02 <@Dagmar> ...because with all the SJW bullshit anarchival spews, she's _clearly_ got no business to be so tactlessly hitting on me
21:02 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yes, well, in this case, one side will be breathing the fire of a carefully lensed supernova
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> Have you, perhaps, told her to fuck off?
21:03 <@Dagmar> This is decidedly not Ben's thing
21:03 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: That's precisely what's going to happen
21:03 <@klixa> hes too damn liberal
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> "going to".  You're far too nice.
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> Wait.
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> Did I just really say that?
21:03 <@Dagmar> That's what she's exploiting
21:03 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: It's because it's true.
21:03 <@Dagmar> I just don't care for it to be known.
21:03 <@Dagmar> I don't jump on people's cases without cause
21:04 <@klixa> sjw?
21:04 <@Dagmar> I may be stick, but I am also carrot.
21:04 <@Bahhumbug> social justice warrior
21:04 <@Dagmar> Social Justice Warrior
21:04 <@klixa> nm, i urban dictionar-ied it
21:04 <@klixa> i have lag frm hell
21:04 <@Bahhumbug> Sticks work better in real life than carrots.  Carrots can only really be used to stab out someone's eyes.  Sticks can be used in a wide range of offensive moves.
21:04 <@Dagmar> klixa: Like, how many times did you see her complain about how *awful* it is that all the guys at conventions so tactlessly and relentlessly objectify and hit on the women who show up?
21:05 <@klixa> Dagmar: constantly
21:05 <@klixa> dont forget rape
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, let me make something clear.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> She's not attractive.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry.
21:05 <@Dagmar> klixa: ...and yet at the meetings, she makes comments to me that have less tact than a drunken fratboy who watches too much porno.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> And people, no matter how nerdy, have standards.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> She is below those standards.
21:05 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> She's pissy because she DOESN'T get hit on.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> It's really that simple.
21:05 <@Wilpig> but Dagmar you're her new boyfriend
21:05 <@Wilpig> you just haven't agreed to it
21:05 <@Dagmar> See, that would be attacking the core of her sense of self, which is a thing I try very hard *not* to do
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> The same as most other "feminists".
21:05 <@klixa> Dagmar: half of her meanes towards me was based on some imgainary love affair she accused you and i of having
21:05 <@Dagmar> It tends to make enemies for life.
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I'm not that nice.
21:06 <@Dagmar> I *can* do that, but unless forced to, I won't.
21:06 <@Wilpig> klixa: you and dagmar too?!  gah!
21:06 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yes, we have "history" in that klixa almost sent me to jail once.  ;)
21:06 <@Bahhumbug> heh
21:07 <@Bahhumbug> Do tell?
21:07 <@klixa> lol
21:07 <@Dagmar> It's nothing but funny
21:07 <@Dagmar> She was listening to 91 when Dru and I were spinning there, and was calling up the station and stuff, and *someone* there thought it would be funny to tell her where I lived.
21:07 <@klixa> eric told me
21:07 <@Dagmar> So like, in the middle of the afternoon on a school day, I've got an underage girl on my doorstep playing hookey.
21:08 <@klixa> the guy who talked about the illumitai all the time
21:08 <@Dagmar> *blinkblink*
21:08 <@klixa> 2
21:08 <@klixa> i brought a friend
21:08 <@Dagmar> I only remember one person
21:08 <@klixa> she kept wanting the acid you had in yoru freezer
21:08 <@Wilpig> you two really did a number on his mind
21:08 <@Dagmar> ...and a frantic mental search for a way to have an ironclad alibi
21:09 <@Dagmar> I was very determined to not be arrested for contributing to the delenquency of
21:09 <@klixa> you and i talked on the phone, and we were supposed to meet at centnenial park and you didnt show up...then i ran into eric who weirdly knew you and told me where you lived
21:09 <@klixa> thats my version of events
21:09 <@Dagmar> I only contribute to the delinquency of full-grown adults who should know better.
21:10 <@klixa> and then i found you...and you told me about computer stuffs for hours
21:10 <@klixa> while my friend was all "ooh thats a pretty blanket can i have it? oh uou have acid, can i have some?"
21:11 <@Bahhumbug> heh
21:11 <@klixa> m not even sure you knew my age... i think i was alleging to be 17 bacj then but i was only 14
21:11 <@Wilpig> more proof that klixa is a troublemaker!
21:11 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:11 <@klixa> lol
21:17 < RangerZ> klixa: stop talking that way about your future wife
21:18  * Wilpig is confused
21:18 < RangerZ> fuck
21:18 < RangerZ> s/klixa/wilpig
21:18 < RangerZ> this is my no-sleep kicking in :/
21:19 <@klixa> o.O
21:28 < RangerZ> klixa: when are you moving in with Wilpig?
21:31  * klixa stares at RangerZ
21:33 < RangerZ> Wilpig needs a live in house keeper
21:33 < RangerZ> lol
21:36 <@klixa> RangerZ: what irc client do you use
21:37 < RangerZ> pidgin
21:37 < RangerZ> finch sometimes
21:37 <@klixa> ok... i just recently switched to weechat
21:38 < RangerZ> pidgin handles every single client other than skype
21:38 <@klixa> i was using limechat. i have used pidgin for im...but never irc
21:38 < RangerZ> thats why i use it
21:38 <@klixa> you a windows user or linux?
21:38 < RangerZ> both
21:38 < RangerZ> windows for games
21:39 < RangerZ> linux for work/pretty much everything else
21:39 <@klixa> i use osx...but if i had a non mac id use arch i guess
21:39 <@klixa> which distro are you using of linux
21:40 < RangerZ> ubuntu 12.04 b/c i had to for work
21:40 < RangerZ> and just upgraded to 14.04
21:40 <@klixa> is that the ltr one?
21:40 < RangerZ> yeah
21:42 < RangerZ> I want to start testing out a bunch of different distros
21:42 <@klixa> ubuntu used to piss me off
21:42 <@klixa> little stuff like no root by default w/o adding yourself, etc
21:42 < RangerZ> thats actually a good thing IMHO
21:42 < RangerZ> just calling 'sudo' works well
21:42 <@klixa> thats what i mean
21:43 <@klixa> you had to do stuff to make that work
21:43 < RangerZ> yeah, I know, that took some getting used to
21:43 < RangerZ> but once I did, it was fine
21:43 < RangerZ> I actually want to see a LOT of android's binder framework implemented in a desktop OS
21:43 < RangerZ> would add so much better sandboxing to each 'app'
21:44 <@klixa> my main gripe was suddenly non computer savvy people were using ubuntu and acitng like they discovred linux all on teir own
21:44 <@klixa> after i had been telling them abou tit for years
21:44 <@klixa> that just irked me... "linux for humna beings" bleh
21:45 <@klixa> but, at this point...there mainstream-eyness is what makes them ok... and regular updates, etc
21:45 <@klixa> tho, id rather go the arch route
21:45 <@klixa> HP makes a laptop that runs on adnroid now, have yoyu seen it RangerZ
21:47 < RangerZ> yeah
21:47 < RangerZ> i don't want 'full' android
21:47 < RangerZ> just some of the binder framework, and maybe intents
21:47 < RangerZ> a much better scheme for interprocess communication that what we have now
21:48 <@klixa> speaking of distros...i liked opensolaris...but it died
21:48 < RangerZ> and you give _very_ single 'app' a different user/user group
21:48 < RangerZ> pc-bsd is the most user-friendly OS i've used
21:49 <@klixa> i havent used it
21:49 < RangerZ> I wouldn't have had a problem back before 1.0 telling someone to take an installed version of it, and to install some software on it
21:49 <@klixa> i dl-ed it but it didnt work in my vm
21:49 < RangerZ> its a fork of Freebsd
21:49 < RangerZ> i like how it installs a program into a single directory except for hooks
21:49 < RangerZ> and the UI was actually designed... to be useful
21:50 <@klixa> hooks?
21:50 < RangerZ> lol
21:50 < RangerZ> links
21:50 <@klixa> oh
21:50 <@klixa> so all apps are standalone and you could run from a flash drive in theory then, and then remove the drive and have no trace of them on yoru system?
21:51 < RangerZ> not exactly sure how well it can go 'that' far
21:51 < RangerZ> but deleting the folder... deletes all the real files
21:51 <@klixa> osx is like that
21:51 <@klixa> to an extent
21:51 < RangerZ> also has single file installers, like win/osx
21:51 <@klixa> it leaves plists behind, and then arge apps it leaves content behind
21:51 < RangerZ> thats basically the same
21:51 <@klixa> large*
21:52 <@klixa> i have an app that deletes the acompanying files...but by default osx does not
21:52 < RangerZ> klixa: so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD89unsOzGQ
21:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: "Fake Geek Girls" & the Men Who Think Theyre the Guardians of the (Geek) Galaxy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:52 < RangerZ> you ever been called a 'fake geek' ?
21:52 <@klixa> no...but i dont claim to be a geek at all
21:53 < RangerZ> nerd then
21:53 < RangerZ> I've been thinking about this a lot lately
21:53 < RangerZ> trying to think about how I can promote my little cousin's new girl into geeky/nerdy stuff when she's old enough
21:54 <@klixa> notnerd either... i was like goth and then punk, then nothing
21:54 < RangerZ> klixa: bad news
21:54 < RangerZ> your on IRC talking about linux distros
21:54 <@klixa> bad news?
21:54 < RangerZ> you're a nerd
21:54 < RangerZ> ;)
21:54 <@klixa> :)
21:54 < RangerZ> lol
21:54 <@Dagmar> ThinkGeek needs to get more 'pwned' bracelets in
21:54 <@klixa> how old is she RangerZ ?
21:55 < RangerZ> cousin?
21:55 < RangerZ> or newborn?
21:55 <@Dagmar> What these kids don't realize is that these lightweight gamer/geek girls aren't fake, they're just the pwned.
21:55 < RangerZ> kid is  10mo or something
21:55 < RangerZ> I'm not really in a super rush
21:55 < RangerZ> just some back-burner thoughts
21:55 <@Dagmar> These guys don't realize that not everyone is really good at gaming or has an eidetic memory for nerd trivia
21:55 <@Dagmar> SOmeone has to suck.
21:55 <@klixa> RangerZ: heres mine http://i.imgur.com/aFZZdH7.jpg
21:56 <@klixa> never too early
21:56 <@klixa> shes 8 months in this pic
21:56 < RangerZ> lol
21:56 < RangerZ> klixa: MY kid (if I ever have one) will have so much fucking nerd stuff... it'll be kinda sad/funny
21:56 < RangerZ> lol
21:57 <@klixa> im not gonna yell at  mine when she takes the phone apart and removes the faceplate cause she thinks it looks cooler when you can see the circuit board
21:57 <@klixa> tho phones dont exist...but yeah
21:58 <@Dagmar> You odn't see those mods now because there's not enough circuitry in the phone to be impressed with
21:58 < RangerZ> my mom let me buy c64s and atari 2600s to take apart
21:58 < RangerZ> etc
21:58 < RangerZ> mind you they were 3$ each...
21:58 <@klixa> i wanted a clear phone more than anything... but i had a stupid normal beige box phone
21:58 < RangerZ> b/c god... only old people ever actually used them
21:59 <@klixa> i painted it blue and took off the plate behind the number keys
21:59 < RangerZ> *feels like making people feel old*
21:59 < RangerZ> lol
21:59 <@brimstone> i had a clear phone
21:59 <@klixa> brimstone: lucky
21:59 <@brimstone> got it from gift wrap sales
21:59 < RangerZ> thats cool
21:59  * brimstone fist pumps
21:59 <@brimstone> no f'n idea where it is now
22:00 < RangerZ> I would like to see more phones with built in batteries like the ones me and dagmar have on our phones
22:00 < RangerZ> 7Ahr
22:00 <@Dagmar> Oh yay it's time to get dangrous
22:00 <@Dagmar> I've got these two little wrist walkie-talkies that are very, very old
22:00 < RangerZ> elite dangerous...that is
22:00 <@Dagmar> They have LiION batteries
22:00 <@Dagmar> ...which are now 100% flat
22:00 < RangerZ> ahh
22:01 <@klixa> hmm earthquake in the bay...and its on the omha news...
22:01 <@klixa> must be important
22:01 <@Dagmar> klixa: It was like a six
22:01 <@Dagmar> They happen 5-6 times a year
22:01 <@Dagmar> Usually in Napa
22:01 <@Dagmar> You'll see footage of wine bottles knocked over
22:01 <@klixa> lol
22:02 <@klixa> they always happen when i am not there
22:02 <@Dagmar> Let me guess.   That was what was on the screen when I typed it.
22:02 <@klixa> nah, not yet they are starting with some other story first
22:02 <@Dagmar> After the first six months we realized there's a different approach towards earthquakes in the Bay.
22:02 <@Dagmar> "They happen."
22:02 <@klixa> in the bay i never heard about one
22:02 <@Dagmar> HOW
22:02 <@Dagmar> They're practically weekly events
22:03 <@klixa> but i dont watch the news in cali..my life is difefrent when i am there
22:03 <@Dagmar> Not a month went by where we didn't feel at least a two point something
22:03 <@Dagmar> ...except for the first month we were there.
22:03 <@Dagmar> Nothing that whole first month.
22:03 <@Dagmar> When one finally *did* happen, rattle and I both acted like idiots
22:03 <@klixa> i lived in cali 7 years, never felt one
22:03 <@Dagmar> We went to tell Decius.  :)
22:04 <@klixa> 7 years in LA, 1 in mendocino county and the final yeatr in the bay (tho i was in the bay for months at a time other times)
22:04 <@klixa> maybe im not very observent to the small ones
22:04 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'm going to cheat.  I'm going to jump start the charging by basically jumpering a pair of rechargeable AA batteries to one
22:05 <@Dagmar> ...on the balcony outside.
22:05 <@klixa> Dagmar: how long did you live there? and what part?
22:05 <@Dagmar> cuz I have a couple of 12" ceramic tiles for shit like this
22:05 <@Dagmar> klixa: Fulton Street in Western Addition for like a year
22:05 <@klixa> so actually in the city then?
22:05 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:06 <@klixa> berkely is the closest i have lived
22:06 <@Dagmar> Probably the most extreme thing I saw about earthquakes is that they make DJs very angry
22:06 <@klixa> ha
22:06 <@Dagmar> Small jiggler happens, record scratches, and you can hear the DJ cursing over the record
22:07 < RangerZ> lol
22:07 < RangerZ> Dagmar: does that AAs thing work?
22:07 <@Dagmar> It probably will
22:07 <@Dagmar> Once a Li-ION battery is *completely* flat, no sensible charging circuitry will touch it anymore.
22:07 <@Dagmar> ...because the lower the charge, rather obviously, the higher the differential.
22:08 <@Dagmar> ...and the higher the differential, the more the battery's _internal resistance_ comes into play.
22:08 <@Dagmar> ...meaning *heat* generation.
22:08 <@Dagmar> ...which can anger the battery gods.
22:08 <@klixa> ok they are showing ruined grape vines
22:08 <@Dagmar> klixa: That's drought.
22:08 < RangerZ> actually just put a heat sink on it
22:09 < RangerZ> or a peltier
22:09 <@Dagmar> Rangerz: However, if you ignroe the fact that the battery will now have less capacity than it should (because complete discharging is just as bad as overcharging for them) they will charge if you use a "stupid" method of charging
22:09 <@Dagmar> Once you get them over that minimum, you can put them back on the normal "safe" charger
22:09 <@klixa> oh, i thought maybe they broke or something...i was only half paying attnetuon
22:09 <@Dagmar> klixa: No, if you've been paying attention elsewhere, you'd know that California as a whole is one step away from going dust-bowl right now
22:10 <@Dagmar> Massive drought
22:10 <@Dagmar> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=109705
22:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: xkcd View topic - 1410 - California Droughts (at forums.xkcd.com)
22:10 < RangerZ> so a friend of mine is doing research into a 4th state of a transistor (I honestly have no idea what he's talking about), but apparently IC could possible _hold a charge_ once the "wtf do we have here, why isn't this melting" stage of the experiment is over
22:10 <@klixa> i knwo before i left, they were rationing water in some areas
22:11 < RangerZ> imagine a fucking IC with a built in battery... thats would be so nice
22:11 < RangerZ> that never wears out
22:11 <@Dagmar> lol a battery that never wears out
22:11 < RangerZ> it doesn't hold 'much' current
22:11 < RangerZ> just enough for the IC to last a second or something
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: This was the most violent one since '89 in that area.
22:12 < RangerZ> IF SF isn't within 100miles of Seatle now
22:12 < RangerZ> then call me later about it
22:12 < RangerZ> lol
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22:15 <@Dagmar> That's like asking for multimeter leads that never tangle
22:16 < RangerZ> yeah, he's working on it for his PhD
22:17 < RangerZ> its basically the holy grain of his subdomain
22:17 < RangerZ> so I'm wishing him well
22:17 <@Dagmar> 0.02v
22:17 <@Dagmar> At least I can tell which pole is +
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22:18 < RangerZ> ohh btw... he was one of those mexicans who crossed the border, then lived here for years without learning english.. then went to community college, got his bacheclors (obviously learned English), became a citizen, and now a ...he might be post doc actually...
22:18 < RangerZ> yeah... people who are so desperate to come to the US... those are the ones we gotta worry about... :/
22:19 < RangerZ> I'm just so thankful that 90% of China's students who come to the US, end up staying here
22:19 < RangerZ> those that come for masters/phd, i'm not sure about bachelors
22:20 < RangerZ> us brain draining them is the only advantage we have left as a nation right now :/
22:20 < RangerZ> well not only
22:20 < RangerZ> but still... biggest
22:24 < aestetix> penis
22:27 < RangerZ> correction, we have the internet neck beards
22:27 < RangerZ> greatest source of untapped potential energy out there
22:27 < RangerZ> just not viable economically
22:28 < RangerZ> not enough mtn dew and cheetos production capacity
22:33 < RangerZ> ok... MFer in the apt complex has music loud enough that I can FEEL it shaking my desk
22:40 < aestetix> Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
22:40 < RangerZ> sad thing is
22:40 < RangerZ> your almost fucking right
22:40 < RangerZ> i can start to make out lyrics
22:40 < RangerZ> i think they are ....practicing...
22:40 <@Dagmar> Heh.  Patrick Stewart is pro
22:41 < RangerZ> or playing a recording of one
22:41 < RangerZ> als icebucket?
22:41 <@Dagmar> Oh yes
22:42 < RangerZ> yep
22:42 < RangerZ> nice
22:43 < RangerZ> nice brandy on ice
22:43 <@Dagmar> Yep.  :)
22:43 <@Dagmar> ...but most importantly you can see him writing them a check.
22:48 < RangerZ> yep
22:48 < RangerZ> what are they at 40m+ now?
22:48 < RangerZ> i'm going to guess easy
22:48 < RangerZ> fuck 70.2
22:49 < RangerZ> I think they only made 2.3m last year or something
22:55 < RangerZ> I don't think they realize I know what an elliptical reflector dish is... https://xkcd.com/316/ then https://xkcd.com/368/
22:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Loud Sex (at xkcd.com)
22:56 <@Dagmar> OKay... the battery is up to 2.3v now
22:57 <@Dagmar> Not even getting warm
22:57 <@Dagmar> This is good.
22:57 <@Dagmar> I wish I had an idea what the lower bounds of the charger was
22:57 <@Dagmar> I am not sure the chargers are even good anymore
22:57 <@Dagmar> They *say* they're 9v but I'm registering 14v with the multimeter
22:57 <@Dagmar> I'm just going to have to assume they're not failing due to age and cheapness
23:05 <@Dagmar> Okay.  That WORKED.
23:06 <@Dagmar> I can think of no better demonstration of how knowledge is _power_ than this.
23:06 <@Dagmar> If I didn't know how these batteries and their chargers worked, these devices would be permanently useless.
23:06 <@Dagmar> ...and they're not bad.
23:07 <@Dagmar> They're bulky little GPRS wristwatches
23:29 < RangerZ> Friendsy 
23:29 < RangerZ> is apparently a 'thing'
23:29 < RangerZ> some new social networking/dating thing...
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