--- Log opened Sat Aug 23 00:00:27 2014
00:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> so anyone have a recommendation for recording screen capture on linx?
00:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> linux*
00:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> windows has camtasia (and camstudio seems to work well)
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL...4chan dox'd phil fish
00:38 <@Dagmar> Oh look.  He lives in East Nasty.
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> which board on 4chan do they even post that shit on anymore
00:44 <@oddball> Ok... for some reason Samsung's S Voice is now requiring a wifi connection to work.  I would tell it to bugger off, but the nifty watch I now have only uses it for voice commands.
00:44 <@Dagmar> I dunno but they doxed him on polytron's site and it's stil in Google Cache.
00:45 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: you're talking about a video or just a screen shot?
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.giantbomb.com/phil-fish/3040-100988/forums/phil-fish-gets-doxxed-selling-fez-ip-and-company-1492993/
00:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Phil Fish gets doxxed, selling Fez IP and Company? - Phil Fish - Giant Bomb (at www.giantbomb.com)
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> lots sites have the story
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> well he's over near5 points
00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> crap area from what I saw on crime stats
00:51 <@Dagmar> Hence, East Nasty
00:52 <@Dagmar> Apparently he was an SJW a few times too many
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> surprisingly up near broadmoar(more?) is one of the safest parts of town
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently he slept with some female game dev
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> who sleeps around to get her projects OKd
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> or some BS like that
00:53 <@Dagmar> whoops
00:54 <@Dagmar> You're supposed to video that and put it online as a "side project"
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> kardasian 101
00:54 <@Dagmar> Hmm... What's your commander name?
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> no clue
00:54 <@Dagmar> That means you haven't set it yet
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> i haven't made a name yet
00:55 <@Dagmar> http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2bw8is/commanders_register_your_names/
00:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Commanders, register your names! : EliteDangerous (at www.reddit.com)
00:55 <@Dagmar> You're still listed as CMDR BACKER#13412 then
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
00:56 <@Dagmar> It may or may not go through immediately.
00:56 <@Dagmar> Mine did but it was the middle of the afternoon when I started looking into it
00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> you evildag or something?
00:57 <@Dagmar> No just Dagmar
00:58 <@Dagmar> 4 kills and a clean criminal record.  :)
00:59 <@Dagmar> Now that I have the Eagle I can take a few risks.
00:59 <@Dagmar> ...like flying from place to place and dropping in on those Unidentified Signal Sources.
00:59 <@Dagmar> They seem to come in three varieties so far.
00:59 <@Dagmar> 1. Criminals hanging out.
01:00 <@Dagmar> 2. Stuff floating in space
01:00 <@Dagmar> 3. People trying to kill each other.
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> makes sense
01:00 <@Dagmar> Of the three, for 1 & 3 I just boost out of there unless it's one guy
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm about to film a video on how to use git... otherwise I'd hop in
01:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> gotta find a good capture software for linux first
01:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> recordmydesktop or w/e sucks
01:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean... look at that name
01:05 <@Dagmar> Whoops.  I forgot to fill the tank
01:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> does that matter yet?
01:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> i noticed I used fuel, but i wasn't sure if it would stop working when I ran out
01:06 <@Dagmar> If you don't mind being adrift in space with no hyperjump it's not a problem
01:07 <@Dagmar> Hm.. I'm wanted somehow
01:07 <@Dagmar> I have a clean record
01:07 <@Dagmar> I wonder if I got blamed for that noobs accident
01:08 <@Dagmar> Pffft.  75 credit bounnty
01:08 <@Dagmar> Fucking tab key
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01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> soo... wanna go meet phil fish?
01:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
01:12 <@Dagmar> I had half-considered delivering a six-pack over there
01:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> if he wasn't such a fucking ass, I would
01:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> being an ass doesn't deserve being doxed, unless you are ware
01:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> but seriously... lol... he's made enough money to not have to work about 'surviving' , and the only reason he has any problems now is b/c of his own mouth
01:23 <@Dagmar> Damn.  Some chickenshit tried to ambush me and then ran off
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02:43 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: http://i.imgur.com/09GHfmv.png
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06:17 <@Dagmar> http://downworthy.snipe.net/ <-- all of this
06:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Downworthy: A browser plugin to turn hyperbolic viral headlines into what they really mean (at downworthy.snipe.net)
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10:09 < RangerZ> http://www.amd.com/en-us/who-we-are/corporate-information/events/amd-30-live
10:09 < RangerZ> kinda interesting
10:09 < RangerZ> AMD having a live stream
10:10 < RangerZ> releasing Tonga board (their cuda like architecture)
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10:48 < aestetix> RangerZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_dJ88FK5Lc
10:48 < aestetix> you'll like this
13:10 <@Shadow404> Wilpig: ping
15:05 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: Shadow404 pong
15:07 <@Wilpig> http://gifts.lootcrate.com/collections/the-doctor-is-in-the-house-sale/products/exterminate-typography-t-shirt?utm_source=Loot+Crate+Newsletter&utm_campaign=81ac53758b-DWS_8_23_2014_EM&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b399d5f65c-81ac53758b-51199285&mc_cid=81ac53758b&mc_eid=5e42e1756e
15:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: Exterminate Typography T-shirt - Loot Crate Gifts (at gifts.lootcrate.com)
15:08 < aestetix> I hope I didn't upset Corydon76-home too much
15:08 <@Wilpig> do I need to go reading backlog now?
15:09 <@oddball> afternoon all
15:09 <@Wilpig> I gots a hair cut.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgvhoq5kp8zdrkh/2014-08-23%2014.31.00.jpg?dl=0
15:10 < aestetix> did you get a butt cut?
15:10 <@Wilpig> I got my usual.
15:11 <@Wilpig> learned that my beard really bothers them.  they really want to trim it
15:13 < aestetix> Does it make you look like a pedophile or something?
15:16 < aestetix> On an unrelated note
15:17 < aestetix> I'm wondering if Lord of the Rings is worth reading
15:17 < aestetix> I never actually bothered to read it
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16:32 < aestetix> Wilpig: found another picture of your gf: http://i.imgur.com/zqex8c0.jpg
16:35 <@klixa> thats scary as fuck
16:44 < aestetix> klixa: you can't argue with true love
16:47 <@Dagmar> Thunderstorm incoming
16:53 <@Dagmar> Goddamn irresponsible reporters
16:54 <@Dagmar> Someone claimed all but the last episode of the new season of Doctor Who had already been leaked to torrent sites.
16:54 <@Dagmar> THAT IS A DAMN LIE
16:56 <@Wilpig> the first four have been
16:57 <@Wilpig> I haven't seen any other than those
16:57 <@Wilpig> they are all labeled as workprints so I didn't bother with them assuming they're missing some of the effects
17:06 < aestetix> I hate you
17:06 < aestetix> I have to get a humidifier today
17:06 < aestetix> the drought is so bad
17:18 <@Dagmar> Oh lord finally http://scenerules.irc.gs/t.html?id=2012_SDTVx264r.nfo
17:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2012_SDTVx264r.nfo (at scenerules.irc.gs)
17:18 <@Dagmar> I knew I'd find something like that eventually
17:22 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: I knew that existed but hadn't ever seen it 
17:28 <@Dagmar> Entertainingly it was Wikipedia that led me to the right place
17:28 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/average-tech-wages-up-to-291-497-in-san-mateo-county-1625755095/+nitasha
17:30 <@Dagmar> Got news for you... that's trick statistics
17:30 <@Dagmar> That's where the executives live
17:30 <@Dagmar> Basic Marin Wheels and all that
17:37 <@Dagmar> First to get Handbrake encoding profiles made
17:38 <@Dagmar> Next to see about getting some Transcoding profiles into mythTV so that it produces a reasonable output after commercial cutting
17:54 <@oddball> yay! rain!
18:00 <@Wilpig> this download needs to hurry and finish
18:01 < RangerZ> man... thats the 4th thunderstorm this month already...
18:01 < RangerZ> in other completely unreleated taunting, aestetix hows the drought ?
18:03 <@Dagmar> It beats what we had going on either last year or the year before
18:03 <@Dagmar> 100F for most of August, no rain, everything died
18:04 <@Wilpig> gonna go make some dinner hten watch doctor who
18:05 <@Wilpig> if anyone wants the 720p version it's in tha tplace where I put things now
18:07 < RangerZ> 2 years ago
18:07 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you going to this PN planning meeting?
18:10 < RangerZ> the 100 degree days were BAD
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18:10 < RangerZ> the 4 days in a row... with 109 highs
18:10 < RangerZ> fucking commit sepiku rather than go out in that shit
18:11 < RangerZ> heat index was like 'fuck this I'm going home-degrees'
18:11 < RangerZ> and the weather-girl was never seen again
18:13 < RangerZ> though... suspicisions still run in NPD that notlarry had something to do with that...
18:21 < aestetix> Dagmar: we haven't had rain in 120 days
18:21 < aestetix> http://www.sfgate.com/drought/
18:23 < RangerZ> my friend lived in seatle when it rained at least once a day for something like 132 days in a row or something
18:23 < RangerZ> mostly sprinkles each day
18:23 < RangerZ> but still
18:23 < aestetix> I would kill for that
18:24 < RangerZ> apparently no one even realized it until like 90 days, when the news started talking about it
18:26 < RangerZ> aestetix: I feel bad for most places
18:27 < RangerZ> I'm used to the idea of having pretty much unlimited water access (Places that live within the tributaries of the great lakes get 'unfettered access' (apparently legally means different than what we would think, via treaty with US & Canada) to the great lakes)
18:28 < RangerZ> but the actual area that feeds into the great lakes isn't very much b/c most of the US feeds into the mississippi via the Ohio or Massouri(SP?)
18:28 < RangerZ> misouri* apparently
18:30 <@opticron> *missouri
18:31 < RangerZ> fuck
18:31 < RangerZ> so I got a question, anyone know why keybaord entry could lag?
18:31 < RangerZ> I've noticed it a bit lately
18:32 < RangerZ> b/c I touch type(qwerty) , its easy to tell
18:32 < RangerZ> I'm starting to wonder if my USB controller might be glitchy
18:32 < RangerZ> or something else
18:33 < RangerZ> or this keyboard(or its driver?)
18:36 <@Dagmar> Keyboard is possibly failing.  Find another and use it for awhile
18:39 < RangerZ> its just been odd
18:39 < RangerZ> I was thinking it was eclipse
18:39 < RangerZ> (b/c lets be honest... that monster can make anything odd happen)
18:39 < RangerZ> but I just noticed it in pidgin too
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19:25 < RangerZ> Dagmar: stop hitting the tab button when you want to switch tabs in the UI
19:26 < RangerZ> you'll blow your ship up, lol
19:26 <@Dagmar> I do believe I mentioned that
19:26 <@Dagmar> I think I'm going to rebind that to a joystick button actually
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19:27 < RangerZ> there is a 'next tab' button
19:27 < RangerZ> i'm going to rebind tab to that
19:27 <@Dagmar> I went to the Eranin low-density conflict zone in a viper last night
19:27 <@Dagmar> Very little money
19:27 < RangerZ> i haven't been playing, been catching up on sleep, and planning more videos :/
19:27 < RangerZ> I need a fucking good mic on a boom, not this broken headset
19:28 <@Dagmar> It is *far* more profitable to just run back and forth between Asellus Primus and I Bootis
19:29 < RangerZ> http://phreaknic.info/
19:29 < RangerZ> well I'll be damned
19:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18 | PhreakNIC (at phreaknic.info)
19:29 < RangerZ> ben got it published
19:30 < RangerZ> but slow a fuck
19:31 <@Wilpig> app?  oh wtf?
19:32 < RangerZ> we should all offer 1hr talks about how to organize a con
19:32 < RangerZ> ...nvm... thats just mean...
19:32 < RangerZ> lol
19:33 < RangerZ> YSU ACM was more organized than this, and all we ran was the programming compitition and monthly talks, lol
19:34 <@Dagmar> dafuq is up with that png
19:35 < RangerZ> drupal
19:35 < RangerZ> and I think that says enough
19:35 < RangerZ> lol
19:35 <@Dagmar> Time to set up a pattern match on FD
19:35 <@Dagmar> The site is slow as balls
19:35 <@Dagmar> ...becuse... DRUPAL
19:36 <@Wilpig> ummm...  
19:36 < aestetix> oh nice
19:36 <@Wilpig> http://phreaknic.info/pn16/
19:36 < aestetix> the website is finally up
19:36 <@Wilpig> http://phreaknic.info/pn17/
19:36 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
19:37 <@Dagmar> Yes there's going to be "talking" at the next meeting
19:37 <@Wilpig> just wow.  pure... wow
19:37 < aestetix> why did I get a message from anarchival tellig me she forgives me
19:37 <@brimstone> what is this... preserve old links?
19:37 <@Wilpig> aestetix: cause she's insane?
19:37 <@Dagmar> We explicitly said "no live code" and I do believe I explicitly say "I will personally put dicks on the page"
19:37 <@Dagmar> So now the race begins
19:37 < aestetix> Dagmar: it's drupal, so that should be easy enough
19:38 <@Dagmar> Just a matter of waiting 2-3 months for a zero day
19:38 <@Wilpig> brimstone: we setup the site structure long ago to show the past pages for archival of the talks, speakers, schedules, etc
19:38 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you and I both know this code is FROM 4~5 mo ago
19:38 <@Wilpig> we've had some neat sites.  plus the archives add to the google search rankings
19:39 <@Dagmar> How is a rewriterule directive hard?
19:39 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
19:39 < RangerZ> you know what probably happened... ben just copied /beta/ to /html/
19:39 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: http://phreaknic.info/install.php  done
19:39 < RangerZ> to get it OUT
19:40 < RangerZ> ....
19:40  * RangerZ walks away now
19:40 < aestetix> I hope they copied and didn't move it
19:40 <@Dagmar> NO SERIOUSLY?
19:41 < RangerZ> jesus h christ
19:41 < RangerZ> OMG
19:41 < aestetix> heh
19:41 < RangerZ> http://phreaknic.info/
19:41 < aestetix> so much for their layout
19:41 < RangerZ> its already over-written
19:41 <@Dagmar> Okay, even the 404 page generation is broken as shit
19:41 < RangerZ> we already broke it
19:41 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck
19:41 < RangerZ> just by loading install.php
19:41 < aestetix> That was impressive
19:42 <@Dagmar> looooooooooooool
19:42 < aestetix> I like that little fishie
19:42 <@Dagmar> oh god
19:42 <@Dagmar> can't stop lauhign
19:42 < RangerZ> same
19:42 <@Dagmar> shit i'm seeing star
19:42 <@Dagmar> s
19:42 <@Dagmar> lol
19:42 < RangerZ> i hurt my side
19:42 < RangerZ> fucking hicups
19:42 < RangerZ> no
19:42 < RangerZ> now
19:43 < RangerZ> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phreaknic
19:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Groups (at groups.google.com)
19:43 <@Wilpig> I just tried to mail that group but my email was kicked back and now I see I was unsubbed
19:44 < RangerZ> I just posted _in_ the group itself
19:44 <@brimstone> you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you
19:44 < RangerZ> b/c that doesn't take admin acceptance
19:45 < RangerZ> 1:3 odds they have a backup of it
19:45 < RangerZ> lol
19:45 < aestetix> wow
19:45 < aestetix>  /home/phreaknic13admin/
19:45 <@Wilpig> they just repointed the root of the site.  I can see the server
19:46 < RangerZ> jesus its so simple now you'd think it wouldn't be this slow
19:46 <@Dagmar> Well, it's coughing up internal server errors now
19:47 < RangerZ> yeah
19:47 < RangerZ> probably 'install.php' being called that many times corrupted the DB
19:48 <@Wilpig> "Your post has been sent for review and will appear after it has been approved."
19:49 <@Wilpig> this nonsense is interupting doctor who time
19:49 < RangerZ> thats as good as fucking eddyJ leaving "msyql_connect.php.inc" in the root html directory... and not having apache configured to parse php.inc files as PHP when served
19:49 < RangerZ> so you could just get the SQL server login info
19:49 < aestetix> you know
19:49 <@Wilpig> I could but that is going around the fact that they're god damned idiots and didn't even close the front fucking door
19:49 < RangerZ> Wilpig: I got your email
19:50 < aestetix> I'm guessing whoever set this up has their /etc/shadow passwd as the same password they use everywhere
19:50 < RangerZ> but your URL is broken
19:50 < aestetix> Wilpig: I got your email too
19:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: No.  Much, much worse.
19:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Have you ever set up any of these CMS engines?
19:50 < aestetix> damn
19:50 < aestetix> The requested page "/install.php?profile=cod" could not be found.
19:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Drupal, Wordpress, or gods forbid Joomla?
19:50 < RangerZ> first thing they say is 'delete this installation directory NOW'
19:50 < aestetix> Dagmar: yes
19:51 <@Dagmar> aestetix: They left the damn install script there
19:51 < aestetix> Dagmar: HOPE X uses Wordpress.
19:51 < aestetix> But it also uses wordpress to send an RSS feed to the actual HOPE X site
19:51 <@Dagmar> So, I'm sure _you_ at least had the sense to remove the install.php script.
19:51 < aestetix> uh huh
19:51 <@Wilpig> aestetix: I sent email to the root list, which I can do
19:51 <@Dagmar> Guess who didn't.
19:51 < aestetix> I know.
19:51 <@Wilpig> that pheaknic group apparently has me moderated
19:51 < RangerZ> Wilpig: just post IN the group
19:51 < RangerZ> not email to it
19:52 < RangerZ> b/c... yeah... thats how that works
19:52 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: I'm moderated there too
19:52 < RangerZ> hmm
19:52 < aestetix> heh
19:52 < aestetix> someone fixed it
19:52 <@Wilpig> I'm telling you that crazy cunt has me moderated
19:52 <@Wilpig> aestetix: just hit http://phreaknic.info/install.php
19:52 <@Wilpig> it will confuse the server 
19:52 < aestetix> I just did
19:52 <@Wilpig> that's when the site kicks back the silliness
19:53 < aestetix> this is what we call a lulz sum game
19:53 < aestetix> hmm
19:53 < aestetix> based on the 500 message they are using apache
19:53 < RangerZ> a "zero sumluz game" ?
19:54 < aestetix> http://phreaknic.info/install.php?profile=cod that gives me access denied now
19:54 < aestetix> oh ok now the main page is broken
19:54 < RangerZ> b/c wilpig put that as the HTML file he hit
19:54 <@Wilpig> wilpig did nothing
19:54 <@Wilpig> wilpig hit install.php 
19:54 < RangerZ> in your email
19:55 < aestetix> well the website is borked again
19:55 < RangerZ> if you _really_ wanted to have lulz... post it on 4chan saying that the admin was spouting off "that not even 4chan could bring this site down"
19:56 < aestetix> ok the 404 page is fixed now
19:56 < RangerZ> but poor Wilpig's bandwidth
19:56 <@Dagmar> It's apparently coughing up blood from just _us_
19:56 < aestetix> hmm
19:56 <@Dagmar> That I have seen Internal Server Error appear multiple times now is a horrendous sign
19:56 < RangerZ> seems to be working
19:56 < aestetix> Wilpig: should I run httperf against it?
19:56 < RangerZ> and a LOT faster now
19:56 <@Dagmar> It says "I have not been configured properly"
19:57 < aestetix> RangerZ: they probably restarted apache
19:57 < RangerZ> Wilpig: is this shit still hosted on your box?
19:57 <@Wilpig> no
19:57 <@Wilpig> this was never on my box
19:57 < aestetix> oh ok
19:57 < aestetix> then httperf away
19:57 <@Wilpig> this is all at dreamhost
19:57 < RangerZ> ohhh ok
19:57 <@Dagmar> Someone probably got the hint from the logs and deleted install.php
19:57 <@Dagmar> Just the same.
19:58 <@Dagmar> This is retarded
19:58 <@Wilpig> or from the screenshot I posted the link to that was moderated out
19:58 <@brimstone> neat, there are pre-conf workshops?
19:59 <@Wilpig> yes it was deleted.  I can confirm that
20:00 < RangerZ> brimstone: thats dink's company
20:00 < RangerZ> b/c somehow dink offering training at a con he's the VP is not a conflict of interest
20:00 <@brimstone> the FAQs say pre-reg is $30
20:00 <@Wilpig> offering PAID training
20:00 <@brimstone> but the registration page says $25
20:01 < RangerZ> i guess it only matters what the retailer says
20:01 < RangerZ> lol
20:01 < RangerZ> wait... make sure you can't change the price by changing post or get variables
20:01 < RangerZ> b/c.... you know....
20:02 < RangerZ> "what do you mean, we all thought you purposely put it up like this, to see who could get the funniest hack of the site, and get the lowest price"
20:02 < RangerZ> "why else would you put live code on a hacker site"
20:02 < aestetix> I miss the fish
20:03 <@oddball> Especially since a few of us constantly stated "no fucking live code."
20:03 < aestetix> actually
20:03 < aestetix> the phreaknic badge should have the drupal fish on it
20:03 <@Wilpig> gah! i'm gonna have to rewatch this doctor who
20:03 <@oddball> It hasn't started yet.
20:03 <@Wilpig> I was nearly done watching it, oddball 
20:04 <@oddball> Oh, right.  It's already broadcast in the UK, hasn't it.
20:04 < aestetix> wait
20:04 < aestetix> anarchival is a lawyer right?
20:04 <@Wilpig> no
20:04 < RangerZ> no
20:04 < aestetix> so if PN got a DMCA takedown, she'd have to comply?
20:04 <@brimstone> oddball: http://www.filefactory.com/file/50m3yh0gt5sh/doctor_who_2005.8x01.deep_breath.720p_hdtv_x264-fov.mkv
20:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: doctor_who_2005.8x01.deep_breath.720p_hdtv_x264-fov.mkv - FileFactory (at www.filefactory.com)
20:04 < RangerZ> she didn't take(I expect she did, but didn't pass) the bar
20:04 <@oddball> I still have a bit of an issue with us using the soviet propaganda stuff, but that's because I know folks that escaped that particular regime.
20:05 <@Dagmar> Don't be lame and send bogus takedowns
20:05 <@Dagmar> oddball: I have a bigger problem with the low quality images
20:05 <@oddball> Including one guy that I'm trying to get to show up.
20:05 <@Dagmar> Thsoe could be cleaned up
20:06 < RangerZ> or at least make 'anti-soviet'
20:06 < RangerZ> 'fight NSA' or something
20:06 < RangerZ> not just "we're the USSR"
20:06 <@oddball> Except that I think Fearless Leader may think that the Soviet Union was a good idea.
20:06 < RangerZ> or CCCP if youre using russian
20:06 < aestetix> oddball: there are a lot of people in the bay area who think the US should adopt communism
20:07 <@brimstone> how about just the metric system?
20:07 < RangerZ> thats b/c they don't know how think 3 days in the future
20:07 <@brimstone> or an official language?
20:07 < aestetix> RangerZ: I know
20:07 < aestetix> god
20:07 < aestetix> the first daniel ellsberg rally I went to
20:07 < aestetix> there was this whole group from the Berkley communist party
20:07 < aestetix> it was so annoying
20:08 < RangerZ> brimstone: I completely agree, that English should be official language, but not 'ban' others
20:08 < RangerZ> but all trade/legal done in 1 language
20:08 <@oddball> aestetix: Yep.  Because they didn't live under the attempts at it.
20:08 < RangerZ> solves a LOT of problems
20:08 <@Wilpig> will one of you kindly reply to that group with the topic of "why is this group moderated?"  https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6kschad7uo1ug6/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-23%20at%208.07.57%20PM.png?dl=0
20:08 < aestetix> oddball: the best part is, a lot of them are rich old white guys
20:08 < aestetix> I could understand poor people wanting communism
20:09 < RangerZ> oligarchies parading as communism is great for the oligarchs
20:09 < RangerZ> until the revolution....
20:09 < aestetix> and then you get groups like "radical knitting"
20:09 < aestetix> and "radical stich and bitch"
20:10 < RangerZ> which I'm curious to see what happens to Putin, if he loses the war in "new Russia" or w/e they are calling eastern Uekraine
20:10 <@oddball> Yeah... one of my groomsmen talks about wanting communism... as he lives in a giant house in Green Hills and drives a BMW.
20:10 < aestetix> oddball: the kind of world we need to have for communism to work is not a world I want to live in
20:10 < RangerZ> kraine
20:10 < RangerZ> mf
20:10 < RangerZ> i give up
20:10 <@oddball> The thing is, communism works great in small groups.
20:10 < aestetix> well sure
20:10 < RangerZ> less than 200
20:10 < RangerZ> beyond that, there starts to be people you don't know personally
20:11 < RangerZ> and don't care as much about
20:11 < aestetix> it reminds me of when I went to russia
20:11 < aestetix> that place scared the shit out of me
20:11 < aestetix> seeing the longterm affects of being afraid your neighbors would turn you in to the secret police
20:11 < RangerZ> my russian lab partner argued that serfs weren't slaves
20:11 < RangerZ> I was like... umm... they were indentured servants for life
20:11 <@oddball> It works for families, even extended families.  It can even work for small towns.  The problem is when you get to the point of "you have to give up this, because this random guy you'll never meet 500 miles away needs it."
20:12 < aestetix> oddball: we get a flavor of that with SJWs on the internet right now
20:12 <@oddball> yep
20:12 < aestetix> Like getting hounded on twitter because you don't agree that we should support some african kid who needs new shoes
20:12 < aestetix> I'm like "who's this we you're tlaking about"
20:12 < aestetix> reminds me of something my grandma said in response to one of those things
20:12 <@oddball> And, of course, I want to punch people in the face when ever they seriously say "first world problem."
20:12 < aestetix> "why don't they focus on making their own country better"
20:13 < aestetix> it's like
20:13 <@Dagmar> I'm cloning the site content
20:13 < aestetix> hahaha
20:13 < RangerZ> sadly, most of Africa has been the play things for the Europeans for the last 300 years
20:13 < aestetix> oddball: every one of those SJWs who bitches on twitter, they fall apart when I ask if they have complained at their local city hall
20:14 <@oddball> But... but... we need to give money to governments that hate us and slaughter their own people to keep them in line!
20:14 < RangerZ> oddball: sadly that does work quite well
20:14 < RangerZ> lol
20:14 < RangerZ> but yeah, i get your point, lol
20:14 <@Dagmar> Fuckign /node/ directories and everything
20:14 <@oddball> And yet, we keep doing it.
20:14 <@Dagmar> So drupal
20:15 < RangerZ> sad thing is with pakistan... if we don't pay them... they will 'lose' a nuke
20:15 <@oddball> *sigh* yeah... you're right about that.
20:15 < RangerZ> india... its corrupt as all fuck... but even they have standards
20:16 < RangerZ> and they are an 'actual' republic/democracy , which helps
20:16 < aestetix> you know
20:16 < aestetix> I wonder if things like retweets and clicking the like button have conditioned people to think positive political changes happen that fast
20:16 < aestetix> when they take decades, if not generations
20:17 < RangerZ> https://www.drupal.org/node/27882
20:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Creating a static archive of a Drupal site | Drupal.org (at www.drupal.org)
20:17 < RangerZ> use drupal ALL you want
20:17 < RangerZ> just fucking do THAT
20:17 < RangerZ> jesus
20:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: once Dagmar gets logged in I'm sure he'll do that
20:18 <@Dagmar> I just did a half-assery special with wget and everything but that one image seems to work fine
20:18 < RangerZ> aestetix: you had someone whose job it was to admin your WP site
20:18 < RangerZ> ?
20:18 < aestetix> sort of
20:18 < aestetix> not really
20:18 < aestetix> why
20:19 < RangerZ> just curious
20:19 <@Dagmar> There's rather a lot that can be and in this case *should* be done, to hide any trace that a canned CMS was ever involved
20:19 < RangerZ> so next time you talk to your mom, and she's being a pain, just remind her... that  666 = MOM on the phone
20:19 < aestetix> I mean I made sure it was up to date and nothing glaringly stupid was there
20:19 < RangerZ> I told my mom that the other day, when she was naggin gme
20:19 < RangerZ> LOL
20:20 <@Dagmar> ..a.nd i'm pretty sure it's because someone used '..' in the url
20:20 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll*
20:20 < aestetix> Dagmar: url redirects are not that hard
20:20 < aestetix> I assume drupal has a way to do it
20:20 <@Dagmar> It does
20:20 < aestetix> what is it in apache.... mod_rewrite?
20:21 <@oddball> RangerZ: That explains a lot...
20:21 < RangerZ> Dagmar: apparently wget respects robots.txt
20:21 <@Dagmar> Drupal and most CMSes have a mode that just takes a "normal" URL and silently remaps it to the internal /node/### bullshit on it's own
20:21 < RangerZ> i was unaware of that... but ehh
20:21 < aestetix> oddball: it's worth noting that in addition to being pro-communism, kids around here are anti-gun ownership
20:21 < aestetix> http://phreaknic.info/robots.txt
20:21 < aestetix> what a nice guide
20:22 <@Dagmar> OH MY FUCK
20:22 <@Dagmar> WHY ARE THESE GODDAMN FILES LISTED IN THE ROBOTS.TXT?
20:22 < aestetix> haha
20:22 < RangerZ> LOL
20:22 <@oddball> Well, unless you're rich and famous enough to hire private security.  The security guys can have guns.
20:22 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: You may need to wear flameproof clothing at the next meeting
20:22 < aestetix> http://phreaknic.info/INSTALL.txt
20:22 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, avoid highly flammable synthetic fibers
20:23 < aestetix> http://phreaknic.info/xmlrpc.php
20:23 <@oddball> My favorite is that folks have started blaming the shit in Ferguson on lack of gun control.
20:23 < aestetix> hey look at that
20:23 <@Dagmar> aestetix: THat's normally there for RSS feedery
20:23 < aestetix> ah
20:23 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: it doubles as a point for allowing remote posting to occur
20:24 < RangerZ> http://phreaknic.info/INSTALL.mysql.txt
20:24 <@Dagmar> oddball: Clearly there's a problem in that they're allowing just any untrained asshole access to heavy riot control weaponry
20:24 < RangerZ> yes...
20:24 < RangerZ> b/c "security"
20:24 <@Dagmar> Seriously... who thought putting this in robots.txt was a good idea?
20:24 <@Dagmar> WHY not just _delete_ the fucking files
20:24 <@Dagmar> The fuck
20:24 < RangerZ> how else would we all be able to imagine your face right now?
20:24 <@Dagmar> Do they not understand the concept of code surface?
20:24 < RangerZ> them including those files was gift from the programming gods to us
20:25 <@oddball> Dagmar: NO... seriously, they're saying that if you're against the militarization of police, you should be for strict gun control.  Because... um.... clearly cops are playing nice with unarmed crowds.
20:25 <@Dagmar> oddball: I don't think I saw any incidents of people actually shooting cops all last week, so I find the argument that stricter controls for _civilians_ are needed
20:25 <@Dagmar> ...is bullshit
20:26 <@Dagmar> Some tool on facebook brought up Bundy
20:26 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm like, "Imagine that.  A bunch of guys showed up to meet the police with their own guns, and _everyone was fucking polite_
20:26 <@Dagmar> Anyone tear gassed in Bundytown?
20:26 <@Dagmar> Any press arrested there?
20:26 <@Dagmar> Gosh.
20:27 < RangerZ> the Black Power Open Carry demonstration that happened
20:27 <@Dagmar> I suppose everyone was busy frantically clutching their rifles to their chest to keep them from getting loose and going on a multi-state killing spree
20:27 < RangerZ> best thing for gun control activists
20:27 <@oddball> Oh... they're claiming the difference between the Bundy thing and Ferguson is purely racial.  Has nothing to do with the fact that the cops had to know that bullets might come back their way if they started shit.
20:27 < RangerZ> LOL
20:28 < RangerZ> b/c as soon as many see that... they will be ALL for gun control
20:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: That's why the people in Ferguson impressed me
20:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: That they _didn't_ just go arm up and shoot some cops speaks volumes for their maturity and level of civilization
20:28 <@oddball> RangerZ: So far, the pro-gun folks have pretty much entirely said "good for them.  They should come hang out with us next time we do something."
20:29 <@Dagmar> oddball: 'cuz I highly doubt those people _didn't_ have access to weapons.
20:30 <@oddball> So far, the civilians I've seen with guns in Ferguson were camping out in front of their stores/their buddy's stores to stop looters.
20:31 <@oddball> There was a report of a sharp rise in purchases of guns in the area.
20:32 < aestetix> bye bye phreaknic website
20:32 <@oddball> Oh, is it already down?
20:32 < aestetix> http://www.breaksec.com/?p=6362
20:33 <@Wilpig> I already kind of like this new doctor.  he doesn't like the english.
20:34 <@oddball> Dagmar: Of course, few of the guns that were already in Ferguson were probably legal.  There's too many laws in the way for poor people to excercise that particular right unless it's part of how they get food on the table.
20:34 <@oddball> Wilpig: heh
20:35 <@Dagmar> So seriously.
20:35 <@Dagmar> .. should not be in a URL reference.
20:36 <@Dagmar> Loosk like they got it out of there
20:36 < aestetix> is phreaknic.info still down?
20:37 < aestetix> it's not loading for me
20:37 <@Wilpig> aestetix: loading for me
20:38 < aestetix> ok
20:38 <@Dagmar> To hell with worrying about it.  Doctor Who awaits
20:39 < aestetix> Wilpig: you are a bad guy
20:39 <@Wilpig> for pointing out stupidity?
20:40 < aestetix> god damnit
20:40 < aestetix> phreaknic.info won't load for me anymore
20:40 <@Wilpig> we have a problem with society today by not addressing the blatent stupidity of some folks
20:40 < aestetix> Wilpig: hit shift-refresh to make sure?
20:40 <@Wilpig> did
20:40 < aestetix> huh
20:40 <@Wilpig> lemme use another browser on another machine
20:41 <@Wilpig> aestetix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hcbir26anj5ilc8/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-23%20at%208.41.26%20PM.png?dl=0
20:42 < aestetix> ok
20:42 < aestetix> maybe comcast is just being a bitch
20:42 <@Wilpig> very possible
20:43 < aestetix> also
20:43 < aestetix> does running the install.php file count as defacing?
20:43 < aestetix> since IMHO that's the same as just going to a normal website
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20:45 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously?  install.php?
20:45 <@Bahhumbug> What are they?  12?
20:46  * Wilpig hugs Bahhumbug 
20:47 <@Bahhumbug> I'm thinking about putting out a bounty on defacing that site just to point out that "hacker" cons and active content web sites is a really poorly thought out combination.
20:56 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: yep
20:58 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.  Someone is blaming Wilpig for defacing the site?
20:59 < aestetix> So I'm not actually sure I'd count that as defacing.
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> I didn't see whatever was done to it.
20:59 < aestetix> It was visiting a publicly accessible url.
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> But making such claims in a public forum is a good way to get sued.
20:59 < aestetix> I believe someone went to phreaknic.info/install.php
20:59 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: basically... I hit the installer and it reset it to default
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh.
20:59 <@Bahhumbug> That's not defacing.
20:59 <@Wilpig> nope.
20:59 < aestetix> Right.
21:00 <@Wilpig> but when you don't know better it is
21:00 <@Bahhumbug> That's them being retarded nitwits that should not be permitted near tech more advanced than a crayon.
21:00 <@Wilpig> and when your fearless leader has declared me an enemy of the state, any actions by me are that of a criminal
21:00 <@Bahhumbug> "defacing" infers deliberate intent.
21:01 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck it.  I'm just going to sum this up thus.  The people that are responsible for this should be embarassed and ashamed of themselves.
21:01 <@Wilpig> ^
21:01  * Bahhumbug goes back to other shit
21:01 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: you should be watching doctor who
21:02 <@Bahhumbug> I'll torrent them and watch them when I have time.
21:02 <@Bahhumbug> Oh.  Cute of Coats to point out the obvious.
21:02 <@Bahhumbug> I thought I had him killfiled... Hmm...
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, only kill'd from nlug-talk.
21:03 <@Wilpig> new name to me
21:03 <@Bahhumbug> nlug old-timer.
21:03 <@Wilpig> that is a big ass balloon
21:06 <@Bahhumbug> Does the idiotic PN CoC have a provision for weapons?
21:07 < RangerZ> ask aestetix
21:07 < RangerZ> its HOPE's apparently
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21:13 <@Dagmar> Launching LART
21:14 <@oddball> So... I'm guessing they were expecting glowing remarks about how glorious the website is.  Never mind that it's damned near 60 days before the con and they've got a website up that should have been up months ago, and it has damned little content.
21:15 <@Wilpig> the doctor seems to always be able to make the girl cry, eventually
21:16 <@Dagmar> oddball: One evening's work
21:17 <@Dagmar> oddball: ...for someone who knew what they were doing.
21:17 <@Dagmar> ...which, since the fucking install.php script was still there, isn't even what we've got
21:17 <@oddball> Yep
21:17 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: they had a paid dev, he should have known what he was doing....
21:17 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, well..
21:17 <@Bahhumbug> "developer"
21:17 <@Dagmar> No, I don't think Jeremy had anything to do with this
21:17 <@Wilpig> paid... dev....
21:17 <@Dagmar> He has a long history of art and such
21:17 <@Corydon76-home> Jeremy had everything to do with this
21:17 <@Dagmar> There's no way he was involved in this
21:18 <@Corydon76-home> The only reason the site is using Drupal is Jeremy
21:18 <@Dagmar> Seriously?
21:18 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
21:18 <@Dagmar> We need to have a sit-down with him
21:18 <@Corydon76-home> And jonnyx has already said that it ain't happening again
21:19 <@Dagmar> I know more than this about Drupal just from trying to keep the idiots at Vandy from burning down the internet
21:19 <@Dagmar> What ain't happening again?
21:19 <@Wilpig> okay now, so we have seen the new bad guy.  isn't she mysterious
21:19 <@Corydon76-home> Drupal isn't
21:19 <@Corydon76-home> Too late to change this year, however
21:19 <@Wilpig> scrap it now.  the layout that you have can be recreated in less than 10 hours of actual work
21:20 < aestetix> hi Corydon76-home
21:20 <@Wilpig> all that you'd be missing is this ruddy story business that isn't even working, is it?
21:20 <@Bahhumbug> 10 hours?  Just spider the fucking site and make it static.
21:20 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: No.  It would take less than an hour or two of coordination to basically gut the site to remove drupal and done
21:20 <@Dagmar> ...which may be what's already happened.  I dunno and I'm not interested in checking this second 'cuz Im' trying to make dindin
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21:20 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Suggest it at the next meeting
21:20 <@Wilpig> 10 hours of one person half assing it.  which let's face it... that's what you'd get
21:21 <@Corydon76-home> I have a little more to do to lock down Drupal for the interim, but other than that, I'm too tired to mess with it
21:21 <@oddball> You mean they didn't just slap something together froma  template?
21:21 <@Dagmar> Hell, I already spidered a copy of it here
21:21 <@Dagmar> oddball: The meny bar is definitely a template from somewhere
21:21 <@Dagmar> It _almost_ works properly on Android
21:21  * oddball says fuck it and goes to get more mead from the fridge.
21:22 <@Dagmar> Like, open the site in your phone
21:22 <@Dagmar> So, in exchange for all the drawbacks of using a canned CMS, we got a fancy menu.
21:22 <@Dagmar> :/
21:23 <@oddball> Hell, I'm pretty sure we're only at this point because I called them out on the list.
21:23 <@Dagmar> I was asking him WTF in email on Monday
21:24 <@Dagmar> Clearly I'm going to have to start attending both meetings
21:24 <@Wilpig> take a clue bat
21:24 <@Dagmar> ...because while they might be willing to do this shit, it's clear they can't
21:24 <@Bahhumbug> Oh come on.  Cut them some slack.
21:24 <@Dagmar> ...and while I will freely admit I suck at web design, _at least I understand how to architect a website_
21:24 <@Bahhumbug> Installing drupal is _hard_.
21:24 <@Bahhumbug> Right?
21:24 <@Dagmar> *glarer*
21:25 <@Wilpig> not really, apparently I just did it
21:25 <@Wilpig> hahaha
21:25 <@Dagmar> Yes, it actually is complex
21:25 <@Bahhumbug> Step 1.  READ THE FUCKING INSTALL DOCUMENT.
21:25 <@Dagmar> It requires a bit of foreknowledge about how things work, the ability to read documentation, and attention to detail.
21:25 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: No, the site got launched, because Jeremy was done with it
21:25 <@Bahhumbug> I know, I know... reading is hard, too.
21:25 <@Wilpig> unzip.  visit install.php.  leave install.php for later resetting of the site code.
21:26 <@Dagmar> *snicker*
21:26 <@Dagmar> I did mention the list of sensitive URLs in the robots.txy file
21:26 <@Dagmar> er txt file
21:26 <@Bahhumbug> I know!  This was all a ploy to get Wilpig to "deface" the site.
21:26 <@Wilpig> yeah I poked at those too
21:26 <@Wilpig> i'm evil like that
21:26 <@Wilpig> out to squash all progress 
21:26 <@Dagmar> Imma teach Ben some manliness at the next meeting
21:27 <@Dagmar> Cuz they're going to go "Why are you yelling about this stuff?  We didn't know how to do it?"
21:27 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to make him go outside and yell at me, "EXPLAIN TO US HOW TO DO THIS RIGHT"
21:27 <@Bahhumbug> "Hire someone competent to do it for you?"
21:27 <@Dagmar> This holding of cards close to the chest isn't working
21:27 <@Bahhumbug> Seems simple enough to me.
21:28 <@Dagmar> Collectively we have the knowledge, but in practice, the knowledge people and the action people have no union set
21:28 <@Wilpig> I would say consulting anyone of the people screaming "NO LIVE CODE" might have been a good place to turn if they weren't sure on something
21:28 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: Yes.  That's one of the problems.  We can't very well come in unless asked.
21:28 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: Ya think?
21:28 <@Dagmar> White hats and vampires have to follow the same rule
21:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> kill it with sunshine?
21:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
21:29 <@Dagmar> Do you know how much time I've spent in the sun this week?
21:30 <@Dagmar> Maybe ten minutes.
21:30 <@Wilpig> on another topic.  Dagmar, RangerZ|Laptop: I finally got the key to those random blue chests
21:30 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah lol
21:30 <@Dagmar> They're endgame loot
21:30 <@Dagmar> I didnt' know what the hell you were talking about at first.
21:30 <@Wilpig> they haven't been spectacular yet
21:31 <@Wilpig> one of them was pretty nice.  a piece of armor that gives you +1BP at the start of every fight
21:31 <@Dagmar> I think they're in there for people who hadn't figured out how to flog money out of the air and buy all the stuf in the stores
21:32 <@Wilpig> I need to lookup if there is a way to cure "doom"  that shit is wrecking me
21:32 <@Dagmar> There's a trinket that makes it fail somewhere
21:32 <@Dagmar> It's supposed to only get used rarely
21:33 <@Dagmar> I assume this is the "in eight turns you die" mechanic
21:33 <@Wilpig> fighting that team with the red mage and the fairy dude and they use it reguarly
21:33 <@Wilpig> 4
21:33 <@Dagmar> Maybe shell up
21:33 <@Dagmar> ...or reflect that shit
21:33 <@Dagmar> It's japanese.
21:33 <@Wilpig> doesn't seem to reflect and dark immune doesn't stop it
21:34 <@Dagmar> We're expected to kow to use certain things in some fights
21:34 <@Dagmar> Spirit Master's fairy wand for this apparently
21:35 <@Wilpig> I just threw a font of life on edea and watch her die over an dover
21:36 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:43 < aestetix> oh boy drama
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21:47 <@Dagmar> Ah now the "we're all very busy" excuse comes out
21:48 <@Wilpig> you knew it was
21:49 <@Wilpig> and as expected cue my fanning of the flames
21:49 <@oddball> wait wait wait wait.... Amber is bring in new people?
21:50 <@Wilpig> they aren't people.  they're fauxminists
21:50 <@klixa> wait wait wait, people talk to amber?
21:50 <@Dagmar> Yes they do
21:50 <@Bahhumbug> That is at the heart of a lot of all this.
21:51 <@Dagmar> ...which I suspect is actually a _large_ part of the problem.
21:51 <@Bahhumbug> They listen to that dingbats insane shit and believe it lock, stock and barrel.
21:51 <@klixa> that just seems impossible...
21:51 <@Dagmar> I'm going to say some very specific words to Dru and Ben both _real soon_ about just how much of her shit they should be listening to
21:51 <@klixa> ben is a lost casue
21:51 <@Wilpig> 0
21:51 <@Wilpig> ben isn't a lost cause.  he's an eternal optimist
21:51 <@Dagmar> "A lot of the good and necessary help reaching out to the community has come from Amber and she doesn't even have an official position in our leadership"
21:52 <@Bahhumbug> Ben is doing what he thinks is right.
21:52 <@klixa> Wilpig: same thing
21:52 <@Bahhumbug> And I commend him for it.
21:52 <@Dagmar> THat is the tip of an iceberg of poop right there
21:52 <@klixa> ben is like one of my best friends...so... im just giving him a hard time saying that about him
21:52 <@Wilpig> ben wants and thinks that everyone can get along and everyone is looking out for hte best of everyone else.
21:52 <@Bahhumbug> _ALL_ this nonsense started the _instant_ that raving lunatic bitch showed up here.
21:53 <@Wilpig> not really
21:53 <@Wilpig> it was compounded by her arrival though
21:53 <@klixa> Dagmar: who said that?
21:53 <@klixa> the reaching out thing
21:53 <@Wilpig> klixa: ben
21:54 <@Wilpig> email on the se2600 root list
21:54 <@Bahhumbug> http://ur1.ca/i1opw if you're not on the list.
21:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: #128043 Fedora Project Pastebin (at ur1.ca)
21:55 <@oddball> Honeslty, at this point, I'm starting to think that Dru has the same personality type as Skydog... he's just not as good at it.
21:56 <@Wilpig> oddball: yes and no
21:56 <@klixa> oddball: what kind does sjydog have?
21:56 <@Wilpig> he has the same asperaions
21:56 < aestetix> I gotta say
21:56 <@klixa> skydog*
21:56 <@Wilpig> he has the ability to get people to follow him briefly
21:56 <@Wilpig> he doesn't have the ability to back it to keep people believing
21:56 < aestetix> I almost wish I lived in Nashville
21:57 <@oddball> klixa: cult of personality/narcisist.
21:57 <@Bahhumbug> Song and dance about being "busy"...  How about "Perhaps they shouldn't have ran for positions if they were so busy?  Perhaps they should have stepped down if they were so busy?"?
21:57 < aestetix> besides PN, there's also the reasonable cost of living and seasons. god I miss seasons
21:57 <@Wilpig> skydick at least had the technical info to keep his cult in awe
21:57 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: and who exactly would have stepped up to fill the void?
21:58 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: are there any students at Vanderbilt with the free time?
21:58 <@Corydon76-home> I would have thought RangerZ did, but he denies it
21:59 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I don't know how RangerZ|Laptop has the time, between being a lawyer and a political strategist.
21:59 <@Corydon76-home> I wasn't aware he was either of those things
22:00 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: you don't read his blather in here? ;)
22:00 <@Corydon76-home> He's a grad student, which I thought was just a nice way of saying he's somebody's bitch and will do loads of work for no real money
22:01 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: btw, I was curious...
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22:01 < aestetix> Have you ever had sex with a guy who had three testicles?
22:01 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: So I've heard, especially when you're drunk
22:02 <@Corydon76-home> I don't even want to know if that's even possible
22:02 < aestetix> At the very least, someone could get surgery.
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22:03 < aestetix> I don't know if there's a surgery to add a surrogate testicle though
22:03 <@Wilpig> surely there is
22:03 <@Wilpig> since they have prosthetic ones
22:03 <@Dagmar> Sniping aside, Ben's going to be set straight rather soon
22:03 <@Dagmar> They've been telling us "oh everyhing is handled"
22:03 < aestetix> I wonder if you could get testicles added anywhere else
22:04 <@Dagmar> Clearly, this is NOT the case
22:04 < aestetix> Like into your earlobes
22:04 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: would you fuck a guy who had testicles sewn into his earlobes?
22:04 <@Corydon76-home> Right now, I'm curious if people gave Dementia this much shit for PN8's website compromise
22:04 <@Wilpig> aestetix: that truly is retarded and you should stop
22:05 < aestetix> heh
22:05 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: that happened after the fact and the site was removed
22:05 <@Wilpig> we also learned our lesson about using a CMS at that point and vowed to never do it again
22:05 < aestetix> http://www.neuticles.com/
22:06 <@Wilpig> i'm sending that link to some people tomorrow
22:06 <@Dagmar> ...and _why_ did we have to re-learn this?
22:06 <@Dagmar> Why?
22:06 <@Dagmar> Think carefully about that
22:07 <@Dagmar> Whose input led to us using a CMS... AGAIN
22:07 <@Bahhumbug> Ignorance combined with a God complex.
22:07 < aestetix> http://www.neuticles.com/merchmart.php#necklaces
22:07 < aestetix> I need one
22:07 <@Bahhumbug> That's my answer and I'm sticking with it.
22:07 <@Dagmar> This is why the complaining that the three of them are all tuckered out falls on deaf ears
22:07 <@Dagmar> They took on too much and were telling everyone "Oh everything's handled"
22:07 < aestetix> Dagmar: did you just volunteer to do the PN website?
22:08 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to be honest.
22:08 <@Dagmar> I *strongly* suspect Amber has a shitton to do with it
22:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I *would* have, but like I said, we kept being told "it's being handled"
22:08 <@Corydon76-home> For Drupal?  Nope
22:08 <@Bahhumbug> ding ding ding
22:08 < aestetix> oh
22:08 <@Corydon76-home> She was struggling as much as anybody else on Drupal.
22:08 <@Dagmar> You'll note that they basically punted Wilbur out of the picture months ago
22:08 <@Corydon76-home> Jeremy was the reason the site is written in Drupal
22:08 <@Dagmar> Just the same
22:09 <@oddball> And every fucking time I heard someone say "um... this is a bad idea," they got yelled at.
22:09 <@Dagmar> This isn't a set of events that ever shoudl have happened
22:09 <@Dagmar> oddball: They don't yell at me.  Clearly they just ignore me
22:09 <@Dagmar> I fuckin' yell back
22:09 <@Bahhumbug> You scare them
22:09 <@Bahhumbug> ?
22:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: jonnyx isn't especially happy with Wilpig reading all of his mail
22:09 <@Dagmar> aestetix: ...and at this point, I have a bit of free time so yeah, if that's what it takes to get the fucking website running, that's what I'll do
22:10 <@oddball> Oh, I remember the "no live code" "Then what the fuck do you suggest?" "static code!" argument that seemed to happen at every meeting for 6 months.
22:10 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Then he should separate that shit
22:10 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Wilpig runs the mail server, because Wilpig controls the domain
22:11 <@Dagmar> So... has Wilpig *actually* been reading any of Dru's mail?
22:11 <@Dagmar> _Someone_ has to host the shit usually
22:11 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: i'm reading his email?
22:11 <@Dagmar> I trust Wilbur over whether or not Dreamhost will get hacked
22:11 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: copying president@nashville2600.org to another place before forwarding it?
22:11 <@Bahhumbug> "again"
22:11 <@Wilpig> i'm pretty sure if I had the free time to read his email, and I was reading it, I wouldn't be constanttly asking for information
22:12 <@Corydon76-home> Well, that's what Dru thinks you're doing, and he's pretty convinced he has evidence of it
22:12 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: ...an think for a moment... Who would be likely to suggest that Wilbur was up to some shens?
22:12 <@Wilpig> the fact that his paranoid delusions are continued to propagate without you folks stomping a new hole in his ass goes to shwo that you don't trust me to be running it so fucking move it
22:12 <@Dagmar> Who would make those kinds of accusations, real quiet like
22:12 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Well, Wilpig posted evidence he was up to some shens earlier tonight
22:13 <@Dagmar> Who would be filling his ears with pernicious, deluded nonsense
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> Oh!  Oh!  Oh!
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> I know!!!
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> Call me!
22:13 <@Dagmar> ...perhaps while they're simply getting a ride
22:13 <@Dagmar> I am not being "just paranoid" when I sat that girls actions fucking _reek_ of deliberate troublemaking.
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> unignore Corydon76-home
22:13 <@Corydon76-home> You do realize that the rumors crap is the same stuff that started the drama with SkyDick, right?
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> meh
22:13 <@oddball> NOw now... that's not fair.  Could be the voices in his head.
22:14 <@Dagmar> Yeah but where are these rumors coming from
22:14 <@Corydon76-home> And as before, I'm the guy trying to get to the root of the rumors, by communicating
22:15 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: You could just make it easy.  Drop the mx.  No mx, no mail.  No mail, no "accusations".
22:16 <@Corydon76-home> It doesn't help that there are groups that are actively hostile to one another right now.  Ben and I are both trying to deal with the crap, and we're getting it from both sides
22:16 <@oddball> BY the way, just so you guys know, Dru claims he persistantly contacted the Hypericon folks offering help with... things through email.  Nobody on the Hypericon staff remember getting an email from him.
22:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Ah but keep in mind that according to a certain person, all the rumors come from *here*
22:17 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Only person I hear that from is Dru
22:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: ...despite the fact that we've used IRC for our coordination for practically forever now, and we've never had a real problem with discussing things openly here.
22:17 <@oddball> So... either every one of them gave him bad email addys, his emails got caught in all their spam filters, or he's fucking dilussional and never sent the emails.
22:17 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: I am not going to outright sabotage them and give them proof to back his delusions
22:17 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Who is being *told* it by Miss Crazypants
22:18 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: and you have evidence of this?
22:18 <@Dagmar> I have heard her singing that song at meetings
22:18 <@Dagmar> Let me give you an example of why I so strongly suspect there's actual malicious intent going on
22:19 <@Bahhumbug> I don't look at it as sabotage; I look at it as you paying for hosting via bits, bolts and volts and getting nothing but shit out of doing so.  But I suspect I have a much more cut and dry appraoch to deal with such than others - I just don't play that fucking game.
22:19 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: unfortunately, that's exactly what it looked like to Ben, Dolemite, and a few others who have managed to largely stay out of the fray
22:19 <@oddball> At this point, without collaberation, I'm under the belief that he got fired from running the Dragoncon science track because he wasn't doing his fucking job, not some political drama BS.
22:19 <@Bahhumbug> But I can respect where you're coming from.
22:19 <@Dagmar> Dru came to me quietly after one of the meetings because he had some "concerns" about what I might be doing in this channel and how people might take it out of context to try and harm me, professionally
22:19 <@Dagmar> Dru had _logs_
22:19 <@Dagmar> Except _Dru_ doesn't go on IRC but once in a blue moon so I knwo it wasn't him
22:19 <@Dagmar> That leaves basically two people... Ben and Amber.
22:20 <@Dagmar> Do you think Ben is the type of person to come up with a scenario like that?
22:20 <@Dagmar> 'cuz he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> McElroy was around here for a while, Dagmar.  I don't know what time period you are referring to, but he _may_ have been around at the time.
22:20 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: you're missing the most obvious person.
22:20 <@Corydon76-home> Dru has logs, because Dru has been lurking
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22:20 <@Dagmar> Yeah but either way... Someone was very clearly campaigning at length
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22:21 <@Dagmar> Dru said someone came to _him_ about it
22:21 <@Dagmar> We don't have "gossip" in here.
22:21 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, and so he gathered his own evidence to try to disprove it, and wound up substantiating it
22:21 <@Dagmar> We have outright name-calling, verbal abuse, and mild sexist language
22:21 <@Dagmar> All out in teh open
22:21 <@Wilpig> if anyone wants access to my logs just ask
22:21 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> I can make the bot logs available if anyone wants them as well.
22:23 <@Wilpig> the question I have to pose is "if I am out to sabotage this, what do I have to gain?"
22:23 <@Dagmar> Yes but we know you guys fap over statistics
22:23 <@Dagmar> Your motivation is clear
22:23 <@Wilpig> if I wanted to sabotage it... why didn't I just say oops and not pay for the domains?
22:24 <@Corydon76-home> People are complex creatures and don't always understand why they do certain things
22:24 <@Corydon76-home> and I include myself in that category
22:24 <@Wilpig> i'm pretty clear on my actions, generally
22:25 <@Corydon76-home> I upgraded something on Tuesday night I probably shouldn't have, and got raked over the coals for it at work
22:25 <@Wilpig> that shit happens
22:25 <@Corydon76-home> Fortunately, it didn't cause any technical problems, just political ones.
22:27 <@Corydon76-home> But if you do something that plays into someone else's narrative about you, you're pretty much fucked
22:28 <@Corydon76-home> And while you can blame that person all you like, it was your own actions that fucked you over
22:29 <@Dagmar> Ben used the word "sabotage"
22:29 <@Dagmar> I'm calling him on that
22:30 <@Corydon76-home> At the time, we had just spent 5 hours, and I was there as well, trying to get the content on the site pounded into something acceptable, and it was very frustrating to see somebody take it down _while_ we were working on it.
22:31 <@Bahhumbug> I've made the bot logs public; url won't be released unless the owners of this channel are alright with this action.
22:31 <@Dagmar> Testng in production is pro
22:31 <@Corydon76-home> And for that person to be a trusted asset, that's what's frustrating
22:31 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: at least you saw it go down before all your work was lost.
22:31 <@Dagmar> You realize of course that he merely _visited the URL_
22:32 <@Wilpig> the fact remains that I just hit a url and it did everything automagically
22:32 <@Dagmar> Like, I was busy looking for weaponized POCs and he just *randomly tried it*
22:32 <@Wilpig> didn't click a damn thing.  typed one url.
22:32 <@Dagmar> That's literally all it takes
22:32 <@Dagmar> That's WHY You're supposed to delete the fucker
22:32 <@Corydon76-home> Well, and a heads up would have been appreciated
22:32 <@Wilpig> so this whole "we're gonna beat on it all day saturday until it's up"  was an utter failure if not one person tried the default urls
22:33 <@Dagmar> HELLO.  WE ARE HACKERS.,
22:33 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig has an ssh login to the site and could have seen it
22:33 <@Wilpig> heads up?  I hit one url and went ot let you people know and my post was moderated!
22:33 <@Dagmar> How many times did I promise to put *dicks* on the site?
22:33 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: your post wasn't moderated at that point, afaik
22:33 <@Wilpig> yes it was
22:33 <@Dagmar> I would have hit that same URL myself had I not actually been convinced _someone would have already closed that_
22:34 <@Corydon76-home> Everybody was too busy calling Jeremy and asking what the hell happened.  We all assumed at first that one of US had mistakenly changed the theme
22:34 <@Wilpig> when I found my post was moderated I posted it here
22:34 <@Dagmar> Wilpig has clean hands on this
22:34 <@Wilpig> and not one of you asked me, you all just assumed I took it out on purpose
22:34 <@Dagmar> We literally had just found out there was a site up like thirty seconds before
22:35 <@Wilpig> so again I say "FUCK YOU!"
22:35 <@Wilpig> and teh crazy fucking bitch you rode in on
22:35 <@Dagmar> We'd had enough time to suss out that it was probably Drupal, but it was *definitely* some CMS
22:35 <@Corydon76-home> Again, I'm saying bad communication is what causes all the drama
22:35 <@Dagmar> Yes.  Making _assumptions_
22:35 <@Dagmar> That caused the "bad communication"
22:35 <@Bahhumbug> This wasn't about communication; this was about preconceived notions.
22:35 <@Wilpig> that isnt' bad communication that is purely a beliefe that i'm out to destroy everything
22:37 <@Dagmar> What _instruction_ was provided to Jeremy about what should be on the website, anyway?
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> isntall.php?
22:37 <@Wilpig> and corydon yes I did ssh in when I hit /pn17/ and got site not found to see if someone wiped all the history
22:37 <@Corydon76-home> No, just changed the directory the site pointed at
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> Who's hosting that?  Mirage?
22:37 <@Dagmar> Because Rewrite rules are hard
22:37 <@Corydon76-home> The old stuff is currently available at http://archive.phreaknic.info
22:37 <@Wilpig> I also have a mirror of all the old sites just in case, you know because i'm out to destory everything and not in the habit of making backups
22:38 <@Corydon76-home> No, it's hosted at dreamhost, for free (because we're a 501-c-3
22:38 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: mirage hosts the nashville2600 org site.  I host all the se2600 stuff.  dreamhost does phreaknic
22:38 <@Dagmar> You know there's a Resource Moved response code for a reason, right?
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh, ok.  Thanks.
22:38 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: what, a 301?
22:38 <@Dagmar> It's a _thing one does_ when moving large, indexed chunks of content.
22:39 <@Dagmar> ...because that's what _it is for_
22:39 <@Dagmar> I don't want to go confusing people with numbers now
22:39 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Yeah, I know.  I haven't really dealt with Drupal before, but it's sometimes unhappy when it's no longer at the root
22:39 <@Dagmar> This was an atomic task that didn't happen
22:40 <@Dagmar> Fuck what Drupal wants
22:40 <@Corydon76-home> Otherwise, I would have put it there
22:40 <@Dagmar> A rewriterule to return a new URL is a one-line operation in Apache and Drupal doesn't have to know about it
22:40 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: we don't have access to the Apache configs
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> .htaccess
22:40 <@Dagmar> Mirage and I deployed literally hundreds of the fuckin things at Vanderbilt
22:40 <@Wilpig> you have access to the rewrite rules
22:40 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug++
22:41 <@Dagmar> wilpig++
22:41 <@Wilpig> the .htaccess is limited as shit because of dreamhost
22:41 <@Bahhumbug> If you don't have access to .htaccess your hosting is absolutely fucking useless.
22:41 <@Wilpig> but they do have a rewrite panel in the web interface, iirc
22:41 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, they have a rewrite panel
22:41 <@Wilpig> Bahhumbug: iirc if you manually edit the .htaccess your edits might be removed if they aren't setup in the webinterface
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> ...
22:42 <@Dagmar> I can understand why they'd have that restricted a bit since people can put impossibly stupid regexps in there that will murder server performance
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Yeah, that's possible, I conceed that point.
22:42 <@Wilpig> although I see my .htaccess for pn17 is still intact
22:42 <@Wilpig> well in my backup at least
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...but I've done them on the PawsforConcern guild site so I know they're possible
22:43 <@Dagmar> Yes, it's also on Dreamhost
22:43 <@Wilpig> [root@hosting pn17]# cat .htaccess
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteEngine on
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}\.html -f
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteRule ^(.*)$ $1.html
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}\.php -f
22:43 <@Wilpig> RewriteRule ^(.*)$ $1.php
22:43 <@Wilpig> AuthUserFile /home/phreaknic13admin/passwords/pn17.htpasswd
22:43 <@Wilpig> AuthName "Admin Interfaces"
22:43 <@Wilpig> AuthType Basic
22:43 <@Wilpig> <Files "*-edit.php"> require valid-user
22:43 <@Wilpig> </Files>
22:43 <@Dagmar> hehe
22:49 <@Wilpig> aestetix: next time you fly.  try to take a fan with you
22:50 <@Wilpig> like one of those standing fans you'd use in a room
22:50 <@Wilpig> would they try to treat it as a knife?  I can't think of any regulation that they would directly deny it
22:51 <@Corydon76-home> Okay, archive 301s added
22:51 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Good.  That will keep our search engine mojo alive
22:52 <@Corydon76-home> Forums also got emptied out a week or so ago, because it was loaded with spam
22:53 <@Wilpig> cause they were never used or monitored
22:53 <@Corydon76-home> Pretty much
22:53 <@Wilpig> or the url even published
22:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: it sucks having the rain be so loud that it shows up in my recordings
22:53 <@Corydon76-home> I wouldn't be surprised if the link was published on a previous year's site
22:53 <@Dagmar> RamgerZ: You sir are a _bastard_
22:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
22:54 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-home: I made it two years ago
22:54 <@Wilpig> never published the link
22:54 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, hrm
22:54 <@Wilpig> we discused it, but never did
22:55 <@Dagmar> It ain't fuckin raining here, although it might in an hour or two
22:55 <@Wilpig> I did all the work to make it able to be logged into via facebook, twitter, or maybe g+ as well?
22:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: really? I got thunder and all here
22:55 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/weather/radar/Interactive-Radar-246927201.html
22:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Interactive Radar from STORM5 HD Weather (at www.jrn.com)
22:55 <@Corydon76-home> btw, any idea where the PN pint glasses are?
22:56 <@Wilpig> storage last I heard
22:56 <@Wilpig> should be just inside the door
22:56 <@Dagmar> You can't fool me.  I have radar
22:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: lol... nice.. that pin prick of rain was what I heard
22:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> but its coming
22:56 <@Wilpig> after the con they didn't come back to my apartment as they had previous years since I was moving.
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22:59 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: I looked, didn't see them
22:59 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe I'm just blind.  I'll look again in the morning
22:59 <@Wilpig> ask notlarry then.  they should be in storage
22:59 <@Dagmar> YAY DINOSAURS
23:00 <@Dagmar> Man I gotta replace that fucking 10base-T switch
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23:00 <@Wilpig> I definitely didnt have room to bring two boxes of glasses with me to NJ.  I had to leave some of my own shit behind when I ran out of room
23:00 <@Bahhumbug> ...
23:00 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: managed or unmanaged?
23:00 <@Corydon76-home> and is this home stuff or work stuff?
23:00 <@Bahhumbug> Why do you have a 10baset?
23:01 <@Corydon76-home> Because I had a switch with your name on it if it's for home
23:01 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: you using a 10base-T switch still makes my cheap ways at hardard look frivilous(sp?)
23:01 <@Corydon76-home> err, have
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> though to be honest... 10/100 managed should be cheap enough , even for home use
23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have one I got off of geeks for like 30$, lol
23:01 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: gigabit unmanged should be cheap enough for home use
23:01 <@Corydon76-home> I gave away a bunch of 10/100 switches at an NLUG meeting last year
23:02 <@Corydon76-home> 10/100 managed switches
23:02 <@Dagmar> Well, I have it connecting the Myth box and the firewall in the front room
23:02 <@Corydon76-home> For my presentation on SNMP graph shit
23:02 <@Dagmar> I never bothered to replace it
23:02 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Oh, so a 24 port switch would be overkill, then?
23:03 <@Corydon76-home> Or an 80 port switch
23:03  * Bahhumbug pats his Foundry FWS648G 48-port managed L2/L3 switch.
23:03 <@Corydon76-home> free HP4000M ftw
23:04 <@Corydon76-home> Watkins was giving away a bunch of them last year
23:04 <@Corydon76-home> They managed to foist 3 of them on me
23:04 <@Corydon76-home> In return, I gave the aforementioned talk at NLUG
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23:05 <@Corydon76-home> You can make the HP4000M into a 10-port gigabit switch or an 80 port 10/100 switch, or whatever combination of 10 cards you like
23:05 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: _very_ overkill
23:06 <@Dagmar> The criteria in play at the moment are, "It's small".  "It's black so it matches all the otehr stuff on that shelf" and "It doesn't require me to go a'hunting for another one"
23:06 <@Wilpig> that's what she said?
23:06 <@Corydon76-home> If only 2 ports are in use at any one time, it's effectively a crossover cable, isn't it?
23:07 <@Corydon76-home> And probably could be replaced with a crossover cable for faster speeds
23:07 <@Wilpig> Dagmar: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166057
23:07 <@Dagmar> No there's also the uplink that goes through the wall into the study where the "real" hardware is
23:08 <@Bahhumbug> Avoid Rosewill switches; they can not maintain speeds across more than 2 ports at any given time.
23:08 <@Bahhumbug> I have that exact same model sitting in the junk box.
23:08 <@Wilpig> he's only using two ports
23:09 <@Corydon76-home> The other thing that I've enjoyed are the PCI-form-factor 4-port switches with Ethernet interface
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> I just don't trust 'em.
23:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023215&p_id=2329&seq=1&format=2
23:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: 100FT 24AWG Cat6 550MHz UTP Bare Copper Ethernet Network Cable - Black - Monoprice.com (at www.monoprice.com)
23:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> 14$
23:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
23:10 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: If you're buying cable, why aren't you getting it in a 1,000 ft spool?
23:10 <@Bahhumbug> Because that item is premade, tested and guaranteed.
23:11 <@Corydon76-home> I do need to upgrade my house plant to Cat 6
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> what Bahhumbug said
23:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus it saves me time
23:12 <@Wilpig> hrm.  gig managed switches are damn cheap now too.  <$100 for an 8 port hp
23:13 <@Dagmar> The plan is to finish moving all the storage to a dedicated box and _then_ upgrade the last significant link in the house to gig-e
23:13 <@Dagmar> It's only a problem when I'm trying to copy ~10Gb video files from the Myth box to elsewhere in teh house
23:13 <@Wilpig> this is a kinda neat thing.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316214
23:13 <@Wilpig> not overly useful, but neat
23:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> POE
23:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> its useful
23:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> just for edge cases
23:14 <@Wilpig> poe is useful for APs
23:14 <@Wilpig> cameras
23:15 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, my newest AP uses an injector
23:15 <@Corydon76-home> as do my Polycom phones
23:16 <@Dagmar> THUNDER!
23:16 <@Corydon76-home> Heck, even my Intertel phone uses an injector
23:16 <@Wilpig> phones are another good use of poe
23:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: lets be honest... everything in your house uses an injector of some kind, lol
23:16 <@Corydon76-home> Funniest looking injector you've ever seen, though
23:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> ...
23:16 <@Wilpig> hahaha
23:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
23:17 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: someday after I get this place looking presentable, you should come see it
23:17 <@Corydon76-home> The rack next to my desk looks like a fridge door
23:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> nice
23:18 <@Corydon76-home> Covered with drawings from nieces and nephews, as well as photos and phone lists
23:18 <@Corydon76-home> This is the rack with 6kVA of power in the base
23:19 <@Corydon76-home> The rack will sooner go through the floor than tip over
23:20 <@Corydon76-home> That power footprint is also why I now have a gas stove... I needed the power.
23:21 < aestetix> vagina
23:22 <@Corydon76-home> Can anybody explain why anybody would use stranded Ethernet cable?
23:23 <@Corydon76-home> It sucks for punchdowns, because the strands go squish and don't give a good contact
23:23 <@Bahhumbug> Flexibility and ability to bend at greater angles than non-stranded.
23:23 <@Dagmar> Because they hate connectivity
23:24 <@Corydon76-home> I've never seen Ethernet terminators that aren't a variety of punchdown.
23:25 <@Dagmar> Damn  A glitch in my recording
23:26 <@Dagmar> Oh well... I'll schedule recording of the 11:15pm broadcast
23:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: is your MythTV box still recording off Comcast?
23:26 <@Dagmar> Yes
23:27 <@Corydon76-home> Ah.  I pretty much gave up on them.  They kept fucking with my equipment
23:27 <@Corydon76-home> The cable card never worked for anything but broadcast channels
23:27 <@Corydon76-home> Once they started encrypting those, I threw in the towel
23:27 <@Dagmar> This build of MuthBuntu is crap
23:28 <@Dagmar> I suspect the glitch is because it's acting like the kernel is hideously misconfigured or something
23:28 <@Corydon76-home> Only reason I haven't shut down the server yet is I still haven't moved Polycom provisioning to another box
23:28 <@Dagmar> Using mythweb will make ssh sessions freeze for a few seconds so there's no telling what effect that's having on streaming video coming ove rUSB
23:29 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I'm using an HD-PVR and firewire to change channels
23:29 <@Corydon76-home> I _was_ using firewire, until they fucked with the settings.  I also have a HDHomeRun Prime
23:29 <@Dagmar> Clearly I've got about a week to rebuild it properly under Slackware
23:32 <@Wilpig> daddy dolemite is not a happy camper right now
23:32  * Wilpig just got a stern talkin' to
23:32 <@Dagmar> eh?
23:33 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/cop_assigned_to_ferguson_protests_threatens_attorney_general_holder
23:33 <@Wilpig> he's been on the phone with witless leader
23:33 <@Dagmar> Because you went to a URL that reset the site and should never under any circumstances every have been live or still able to do that?
23:33 <@Wilpig> and witless leader is using me resetting the site as an example of my active destruction of his efforts
23:34 < aestetix> did you guys get the emaail I sent to root@
23:34 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: OMG
23:34 <@Wilpig> my constant barrage of disparaging remarks as why he can't get anything done
23:34 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: wait what
23:34 <@Wilpig> aestetix: I didn't see one
23:35 <@Wilpig> and the thing didn't pop up with a moderation request, although I thought I had shunted all those to /dev/null
23:35 <@Dagmar> Oh we're getting things done now?
23:35 <@Wilpig> aestetix: 
23:35 <@Wilpig> Aug 23 23:32:45 hosting postfix/qmgr[2467]: AEEB13C0C97: from=<aestetix@aestetix.com>, size=4870, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
23:35 <@Wilpig> Aug 23 23:33:38 hosting sqlgrey: grey: new: 74.208.4(74.208.4.194), srs0=977u=5s=gmail.com=aestetix@srs.perfora.net -> root@se2600.org
23:35 <@Wilpig> Aug 23 23:33:38 hosting postfix/smtpd[4259]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mout.perfora.net[74.208.4.194]: 450 4.7.1 <root@se2600.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 5 minutes; from=<SRS0=977u=5S=gmail.com=aestetix@srs.perfora.net> to=<root@se2600.org> proto=ESMTP helo=<mout.perfora.net>
23:35 <@Wilpig> greylisted for 5 minutes
23:35 < aestetix> oh
23:36 < aestetix> can you block the one sent from gmail then?
23:36 < aestetix> I wasn't sure if my first email was blocked
23:36 <@Wilpig> not easily
23:36 < aestetix> oh well
23:36 <@Wilpig> are both of your addresses subscribed?  if not only one will get through anyway
23:36 < aestetix> I don't know
23:37 <@Wilpig> lemme see if I can remember the root mail admin password
23:38 <@Wilpig> believe it or not they both are
23:38 <@Wilpig> which you want removed?
23:38 <@Wilpig> bah.  too late
23:38 <@Wilpig> both just went flying through
23:39 < aestetix> ok there we go
23:39 < aestetix> heh
23:39 <@Wilpig> that's kinda weird cause I thought most of the gmail was insta-whitelisted
23:40  * Wilpig punches aestetix in the vaina
23:41 < aestetix> hahaha
23:43 <@Wilpig> getting shapr into the stats now
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23:51 <@Wilpig> done.  shapr should appear in the next stats run that will kick in about 4 minutes
23:52 < aestetix> oh come on Dolemite is such a spoilsport
23:52 <@Wilpig> dolemite is a manager, and he knows me all too well
23:53 <@Wilpig> he generally agrees that I am good at finding bad shit, but I suck when it comes to handling it delicately
23:53 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: You're a real dick.
23:53 <@Bahhumbug> Rick-rolling?
23:53 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously?
23:53 <@Wilpig> ^
23:53 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Because]
23:53 <@Bahhumbug> dick
23:53 <@Wilpig> hahaha
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23:54 <@Wilpig> I can't find fault in that kick
23:54 < aestetix> oh come on
23:54 < aestetix> it could have been goatse
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> D
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> I
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> C
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> K
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> I would have preferred goatse.
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> You rick rolled me, dick.
23:54 < aestetix> haha
23:54 <@Wilpig> he just asked you to goatse him too
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> Well, you partially rick rolled me.  I'm smart enough to expand 'em before actually looking.
23:54 <@Wilpig> http://accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com/
23:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: Accidental Goatse (at accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com)
23:55 <@Wilpig> one of the best tumblr's out there
23:55 <@Wilpig> rarely updated
23:59 <@oddball> It seems fitting that Chros Hardwick just made this observation: "The Dalek is the spirit animal of the internet."
23:59 <@Dagmar> heheh
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