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00:37 < aestetix> vagina
00:41 <@oddball> So... apparently the report on the officer that shot Brown has gone from "face was puffy the next day" to "orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket." http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/cop-involved-in-ferguson-shooting-has-fractured-eye-socket-report/
00:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cop involved in Ferguson shooting has fractured eye socket: report | New York Post (at nypost.com)
00:42 <@notlarry> So, are you suggesting "son, you are gonna have to take one for the team..."?  If you know what I mean...
00:42 <@notlarry> god damn it!  If you know what I mean...
00:42  * notlarry shuts up  If you know what I mean...
00:43 <@oddball> Well, either the cops are making shit up whole cloth, the cop in question *really* took a beating to cover his tracks for killing the guy, or he shot a 6'4" 290+lbs guy that was doing a pretty decent job of beating him to death.
00:44 <@notlarry> I am sure we can come up with other options.  Let me get home and take some drugs, have a couple of beers, I'll get back to you.  If you know what I mean...
00:45 <@oddball> heh
01:25 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: have you ever had anyone fart on your dick while you were fucking them?
01:34  * Dickie turns and leaves
01:53 <@Dagmar> Lying.
01:53 <@Dagmar> If he were significantly injured, he would have called for medics to check him out.
01:54 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm410533.htm
01:54 <@Dagmar> oddball: The 'orbital blowout fracture' has already been shown to be alie.
01:55 <@Dagmar> oddball: https://plus.google.com/+JasonPaisley/posts/cFrtah32Hks
01:55 <@Dagmar> Tewtal fabrication.
01:56 <@Dagmar> The "Gateway Pundit' has already pulled the story apparently
02:07 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Gateway Pundit link is still active
02:08 <@Dagmar> Hmm... The story I found that links to it has a broken link now
02:09 <@Dagmar> Either way, they basically stole that "scan"
02:10 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
02:11 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
02:14 <@Dagmar> http://webeye.ophth.uiowa.edu/eyeforum/tutorials/trauma.htm
02:14 <@GateKeeper> Title: EyeRounds.org: Ocular Trauma (at webeye.ophth.uiowa.edu)
02:14 <@Dagmar> MANY NSFL images but does have the image they stole
02:14 <@Corydon76-home> This is one of the companies involved in the peanut butter recall:  http://www.arrowheadmills.com/
02:15 <@Dagmar> Looks like they're having some problems
02:19 <@Corydon76-home> I'd say they realized that their _organic_ crap is making people sick, and they pulled the site offline.
02:21 <@Dagmar> Default drupal offline page.
02:22 <@Dagmar> Probably someone did it for them
02:22 <@Dagmar> A mercy killing.
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07:27 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 < RangerZ> "Usually ships within 1 to 3 months.Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available." amazon just trolling now
07:32 <@Dolemite> 1 to 3 months?  What are you ordering, a PN website?
07:32 <@Dolemite> *zing*
07:35 <@Dolemite> Tough room.
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07:54 <@brimstone> Dolemite: lol
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08:01 <@Wilpig> haha
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08:08 < RangerZ> hehe
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08:09 < RangerZ> 1~3mo would have been a rush order for that
08:09 < RangerZ> b/c its impossible to get a website up running in under 60mo
08:09 < RangerZ> meant 6mo*
08:09 < RangerZ> but sure... 60 works too
08:10 <@Dolemite> Well they have to incorporate the new graphic design for the t-shir...   oh, wait, never mind.
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08:12 <@Wilpig> it's not fair that y'all are ragging on the website not being up.  you don't know all the problems they've had with it.
08:12 <@Dolemite> Do we even know which designs are being resurrected from the past for the t-shirts?
08:13 <@Dolemite> Because I'm pretty sure that they all had the actual number and date in the designs...  unless the plan is to go way, way back to the designs that JX did before I took over.
08:13 <@Wilpig> ^
08:13 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: All I know is that this website has left a trail of dead bodies
08:19 <@Wilpig> I bet if there was some form of information flow out of the gilded halls of jonnyxland, there might not be as much ragging on the corpse of phreaknic
08:19 <@Wilpig> or I could be wrong and there would be much, much more
08:20 <@Dolemite> Maybe we can get some RIPhreakNIC bumper stickers from ware?
08:21 <@Wilpig> I still have riphreaknic.com
08:21 <@Wilpig> it's pointed at phreaknic currently
08:22 <@Wilpig> btw dol.  did you see what i got yesterday?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/qq6w4yf7s6r9ro9/2014-08-20%2017.40.54.jpg?dl=0
08:22 <@Dolemite> sweet!  You need the dancing one.
08:23 <@Wilpig> everyone wants the dancing one.  this will be better than nothing though.  his head kinda bobbles
08:34 <@Wilpig> that's really neat.  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/tech/innovation/the-chairless-chair/index.html?hpt=hp_c4
08:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Chairless Chair, an invisible chair that you can wear - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com)
08:37 <@opticron> but...how will ware throw it?
08:41 < RangerZ> you buy the clippers first
08:41 < RangerZ> but yeah... that is kinda cool,
08:41 < RangerZ> Wilpig: that might actually be really nice in the data center for 'certian' tasks
08:42 < RangerZ> obviously not running 400 cable runs...before the afternoon is up... b/c "patch panels solve everything"
08:43 < RangerZ> obviously b/c of center of gravity, you have to lean forward
08:43 < RangerZ> but still, that could be really useful for working at a bench or something,
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08:51 <@ignotus-sdf> That does look really cool.
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08:54 < RangerZ> I'd like a nice mod that would have a drop down 'back leg' that would allow you to 'actually' sit
08:55 < RangerZ> b/c no-back part wouldn't actually bother me that much
08:55 <@Dolemite> So I have an old coworker giving me shit on Facebook about donating to ALS instead of dumping a bucket of ice water over my head.  I'd have done both, but he added "do this in a public place" to the requirements and he apparently has no fucking recollection of how crazy schedules are with small kids.
08:55 <@Wilpig> opticron: ware will need our help to throw that kind of chair.  we'll all celebrate that tossing
08:55 <@Dolemite> His are in high school at this point
08:56 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: It's obvious, you throw ware with the chair
08:56 < RangerZ> b/c right now I have an ancient desk chair older than my mom, made from cast iron legs/seat support, and then padding that still feels alright
08:57 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: speaking of that silliness.  this is about to be public so I can say it.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxlakuxudsqm9rt/2014-08-20%2021.24.53.png?dl=0
08:57 < RangerZ> Dolemite: tell him that you have an ear infection, and didn't want to bring it up
08:57 <@Wilpig> everyone turn on your tv's to cspan
08:57 < RangerZ> that'll shut him up
08:57 < RangerZ> Wilpig: whats on?
08:58 <@Dolemite> Wilpig: Ok, let me challenge you real quick.  lol
08:58 <@Wilpig> I'm at the dc. I'm about to be doing real work.  fuck that noise
08:59 < RangerZ> NO
08:59 < RangerZ> you should do it IN the DC
08:59 < RangerZ> tumblr would love the promotion
08:59 <@Wilpig> not happening
08:59  * Wilpig likes his job
09:01 <@Corydon76-home> Just do it in the hot aisle
09:03 <@brimstone> never do it in the hot aisle
09:04 <@Dolemite> Never go ass to mouth
09:08 <@Wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqkVhlY-5A
09:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: deliverance purty mouth boy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:59 <@Mirage> Must watch:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU
09:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hot Crazy Matrix - A Mans Guide to Women - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:59 <@Mirage> Wilpig: take notes
10:01 < RangerZ> holy shit... they are serious...
10:21 <@Wilpig> can't look right now. busy as fuck
10:21 <@Wilpig> just heard arc'ing in the dc and can't find the source
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11:24 <@shapr> OH HAI
11:24 <@shapr> wassup?
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11:34 < aestetix> shapr: PEIS
11:34  * opticron counters with PIES
11:36 < aestetix> note to self: do not fart in the data center
11:41 <@Wilpig> aestetix: fart in the cold aisle only
11:41 < aestetix> brown light special?
11:41 <@Wilpig> the cold and airflow will cover your tracks
11:47 < aestetix> time to check the news and see what happened in ferguson
11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Not Michael Brown, but the other police officer murder:  http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cell-phone-video-emerges-refutes-st-louis-cops-version-shooting/
11:50 <@Corydon76-home> With that video, if the cops were ever charged in court, it would be the shortest jury deliberation ever.
11:50 < aestetix> wow I am really disappointed in Diaspora (again)
11:53 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8207508
11:55 < aestetix> This part of the conversation got me
11:55 < aestetix> "Right now there are people in jail for threatening politicians on Twitter."
11:55 < aestetix> Anyone know about this? I asked for a source
11:59 <@shapr> aestetix: VAINA
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12:11 <@shapr> y0 y0, wassup mahoney?
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12:30 <@shapr> klixa: OH HAI
12:31 <@klixa> hay shapr
12:31 <@shapr> how you doin?
12:31 <@klixa> im ok...i jusy had a peach frappucino
12:31 <@klixa> it was good
12:34 <@shapr> https://github.com/theonion/shitty-ad-detector
12:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: theonion/shitty-ad-detector · GitHub (at github.com)
12:34 <@shapr> klixa: what are you doing with your time these days?
12:39 <@brimstone> klixa: crushed any good empires recently?
12:42 <@ignotus-sdf> klixa: crushed any good emperors recently? (I have no idea what we're talking about.)
12:45 <@shapr> klixa: crushed any code lately?
12:48 < aestetix> klixa: when are we having sex
12:48 < aestetix> I can pencil out an hour next month
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12:51 <@Dolemite> From what I hear, pencil is the right term to use.
12:52 < RangerZ> leave Dru out of this
12:52 < RangerZ> thats just being mean to him
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13:02 <@Wilpig> http://www.tumblrmerch.com/products/50779-tacos
13:02 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumblr Merch - Tacos (at www.tumblrmerch.com)
13:23 <@shapr> klixa: you missed all the flirting!
13:25  * oddball looks in on the channel
13:26  * oddball send an email to the list asking fearless leader where the fuck the website is.
13:26 <@Wilpig> fearless leader ignores you
13:26 < oddball> probably
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13:27 <@shapr> which website? what leader?
13:27 <@Dolemite> Didn't you see RangerZ's statement this morning?  Expected delivery is in 1 to 3 months.
13:27 <@shapr> phreaknic?
13:27 <@oddball> PN
13:27 <@shapr> I've never been to one, maybe I should show up.
13:27 <@shapr> when's the next one?
13:27 <@oddball> exactly... folks in here don't even fucking know. :p
13:28 <@Dolemite> shapr: You and crazypants might very well be the only people there
13:28 <@oddball> (Holloween weekend)
13:28 <@shapr> ??
13:28 <@shapr> well, at least she likes me
13:28 <@Dolemite> Just until she realizes you're male
13:29 <@shapr> nah, she wants to go out with me, remember?
13:29 <@oddball> Here's the amazing website we currently have 71 days out: http://phreaknic.info/pn18/
13:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18, Halloween weekend, Nashville (at phreaknic.info)
13:29 <@shapr> isn't july 4th long past?
13:29 <@Dolemite> It's more than 300 days in the future!
13:29 <@oddball> Maybe he meant July 4, 2015?
13:30 <@shapr> depose the fearless leader and fix it yourself?
13:30 <@notlarry> well shite.  Any speakers coming?  If you know what I mean...
13:30 <@oddball> Kind of late at this point.
13:31 <@notlarry> Someone should have the info  If you know what I mean...
13:32 <@Dolemite> There's not even a call for presentations, yet
13:32 <@Dolemite> That's what happens on July 4, of some year other than 2014.
13:32 <@shapr> I guess there won't be much going on
13:32 <@shapr> I've organized conferences before
13:33  * shapr considers
13:33 <@shapr> nah, if this one fails I might pick up the next one.
13:34 <@oddball> Well, the good news is that the contract with the hotel is signed!  maybe... I've been told everyone has access to it... somewhere...
13:35  * shapr shrugs
13:35 <@Dolemite> I think that's bad news at this point
13:35 <@shapr> huh, I didn't know defcon had its own soundtrack albums
13:35 <@Dolemite> Because it means that a financial obligation has been entered into contractually with the Nashville 2600 Corporation
13:35 <@shapr> http://music.gravitasrecordings.com/album/def-con-21-the-official-soundtrack
13:35 <@GateKeeper> Title: DEF CON 21: The Official Soundtrack | Gravitas Recordings (at music.gravitasrecordings.com)
13:35 <@shapr> Dolemite: so, fix it?
13:36 <@shapr> put out a call for papers and speakers?
13:36 <@Dolemite> shapr: I don't think it's fixable at this point
13:36 <@shapr> I disagree
13:36 <@notlarry> You in Nashville shapr?  If you know what I mean...
13:36 <@shapr> more than two months left, can be resuscitated
13:36 <@Dolemite> shapr:  I applaud your optimism
13:36 <@shapr> Dolemite: I've organized conferences with less time
13:37 <@oddball> So... at the begining of the year, Fearless Leader talked about how this will be a "new era" of PN and Nashville2600 and that Dolemite and Wilpig did good jobs, but were not here anymore.  Apparently that "new era" is the era of shit.
13:37 <@shapr> notlarry: nope, I'm in Florence, AL
13:37 <@shapr> but I will be in Nashville on Saturday for the mad decent block party.
13:37 <@Shadow404> oddball: not to mention, people need to make plans
13:37 <@Shadow404> reservations, etc
13:37 <@shapr> oddball: so take over
13:37 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: Make plans for http://geeknic.net
13:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.net)
13:37 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: plan too
13:38 <@notlarry> shapr, where, what time? If you know what I mean...
13:38 <@Shadow404> your site although bsdic is better than pn
13:38 <@Shadow404> basic
13:38 <@shapr> Dolemite: if you have a vested interest in Nashville2600 corp, and you think the hotel obligation might kill it, then fix it :-P
13:38 <@shapr> notlarry: I don't know what you mean
13:38 <@oddball> shapr: Thinking about it, but I'm already deep in organizing another con that happens in June, and... frankly... I like those assholes better than I like most of the assholes that show up to the nashville2600 meetings.
13:38 <@notlarry> You are coming to nashville this Saturday for a block party?  Where?  If you know what I mean...
13:39 <@shapr> what do you mean?
13:39 <@shapr> oddball: ah, I can understand that.
13:39 <@shapr> what's the other conference?
13:39 <@Dolemite> shapr: I am not in Nashville, plus I am up to my eyeballs in Cub Scouts leadership at this point.  I won't even be at PN this year because I'll be at Camp Buck Toms.
13:39 <@oddball> Hypericon http://www.hypericon.info
13:40 <@shapr> ooh, sounds like fun
13:40 <@Dolemite> I offered to interject earlier in the year and was told by current membership of Nashville 2600 to back off and let the leadership do their job.  So, basically, if they want to fuck up then they need to be given the chance.
13:40 <@oddball> It is.  Obviously, I highly recommend people to come.
13:40 <@shapr> Dolemite: fair enough
13:41 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately the magnitude of their impending fuck-up looks like enough to bankrupt the 501(c)3.
13:41 <@shapr> sadness :-(
13:42 <@oddball> Also, frankly, I'm kind of at the point that I don't want to see PN die because of the good times I've had there, but I'm tired of fighting shit.
13:42 <@oddball> If this was before the Skydog bullshit, I might feel differently, but...
13:43 <@Dolemite> oddball: Sadly, that's almost verbatim what my wife and I are saying about our Cub Scout Pack because of the "legacy" leadership that doesn't want to change.
13:44 <@oddball> bah, suck
13:45 <@oddball> Try to stick it out as long as the kid is still having fun with it.  That's something I wish I had been able to stick with when my cub scout pack disentigrated around me.
13:45 <@Dolemite> We have a cubmaster that doesn't want to ask parents to fundraise, but also doesn't want to stop spending money like a trophy wife.  His solution is to simply ask parents to write a check.
13:45 <@oddball> ah, gotcha
13:45 <@Dolemite> We've basically gone to the district executive and asked him what other pack he'd like us to help out in.
13:47 <@notlarry> So it only happens in this channel   If you know what I mean...
13:47 <@Dolemite> At that point he realized it had come to the head he knew would eventually happen.  They're supposed to meet tonight to decide what to do, but we've told him that either the bullshit fighting is over, or we're finding another pack to go to (and it's likely that my den would follow us).
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14:13 < aestetix> oddball: you troublemaker
14:20 <@Dolemite> oddball: I hope you're ok with another one of JonnyX's friends/relatives dying because of your email.
14:21 < aestetix> shapr: what conferences did you organize?
14:21 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I heard shapr used to run a stripper convention called Marathong
14:22 <@oddball> Dolemite: Frankly, at this point, I don't give a shit.  If he was busy dealing with that shit he should have spoken up and handed off the responsibility to someone else.  Deligation is part of a leader's fucking job.
14:22 <@Dolemite> +1
14:22 <@shapr> aestetix: AngloHaskell and EuroHaskell
14:23 <@oddball> If we were talking about a week's timeframe?  ok. fine.  But this has gone on for multiple months.
14:24 <@shapr> aestetix: EuroHaskell was the first. I was attending EuroPython 2003 and was joking on #haskell that we were having EuroHaskell afterwards. It was just going to be hanging out with my friend Anders at his place. Then someone submitted a paper and I had to find a venue.
14:24 <@shapr> AngloHaskell happened at Microsoft Research in Cambridge UK
14:24 < aestetix> shapr: there's a saying "once you've worked a conference you can no longer attend them"
14:24 < aestetix> as in, you can't go to a conference without seeing what they are doing wrong
14:24 <@shapr> EuroHaskell happened in Gothenburg Sweden
14:24 <@Dolemite> A professional convention would have the CFP up about 9-12 months in advance, and the logistis info up at least 6.
14:24 < aestetix> cool
14:24 <@Dolemite> logistics
14:25 < aestetix> Dolemite: a professional conference also has sponsorship
14:25 <@oddball> Dolemite: If I thought it would resolve in time to get shit going, I would be going to you and the other boards members for a vote of no confidence.
14:25 <@shapr> I've also setup various user groups, admin'd websites, irc channels, irc bots, ran a wiki, etc
14:25 <@shapr> I hosted a sourceforge clone before github existed
14:25 <@shapr> lots of random useful stuff
14:26 <@Dolemite> oddball: Yeah, I think it's too late at this point - especially because there's no idea of who could step in to fill the vaccum
14:26 <@Dolemite> vacuum
14:26 < aestetix> shapr: you are a github hipster
14:26 <@shapr> psh, I guess so
14:27 <@shapr> I've done a decent chunk of community building.
14:27 < aestetix> oddball: you have a kid?
14:27 < aestetix> oh you were talking to Dolemite
14:28 <@oddball> right
14:33 < aestetix> shapr: how big/long were they?
14:33 < RangerZ> oddball: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phreaknic
14:33 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Groups (at groups.google.com)
14:34 <@Shadow404> can we really define anarchival as a man?
14:34 < RangerZ> hmm... maybe there is more
14:35 <@oddball> RangerZ: Thanks.  I meant to send a copy to the group.
14:35 < RangerZ> huh?
14:35 < RangerZ> i'm only like 1/4 through the back log chat
14:35 < RangerZ> i saw your email though
14:35 < RangerZ> figured I'd post that
14:36 < RangerZ> shapr: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/phreaknic/VYKI4Svx7kM 4/15 I asked a series of questions about the hotel b/c... Notacon had to stop b/c it couldn't afford to pay the rooms that they promised to fill, and couldn't
14:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Google Groups (at groups.google.com)
14:37 < RangerZ> so I didn't want PN to have the same problem
14:37 <@shapr> aestetix: only one day, fewer than 50 attendees
14:37 <@shapr> aestetix: so, small conventions
14:37 < RangerZ> (Plus Paul & Jodi have a kid now, and so therefore less disposable income to waste on a con for friends/etc
14:38 < aestetix> RangerZ: not just them. A number of the Notacon org team wound up having kids.
14:38 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: That's why when I negotiated the contract with hotels I would ask them to offset the meeting space with a specific dollar amount per room night sold - that way if we fell short, we only had to make up the rental fee difference (which we never had to) rather than buy room nights.
14:38 < RangerZ> aestetix: yeah, and paul being sick over and over didn't help :/
14:38  * aestetix nods
14:39 < RangerZ> I told him I was going to drive up there and slap him if he got hurt/sick again
14:39 < RangerZ> lol
14:39 < aestetix> I would like to go to notacon again
14:39 < RangerZ> I think cons are having a hard time b/c people are going to maker spaces, and other cons that have overlap, and people can't afford to go to all ov them
14:39 < aestetix> it's just really hard to get there
14:39 < aestetix> yep
14:39 < RangerZ> aestetix: they aren't haveing another one
14:40 < RangerZ> sadly
14:40 < aestetix> Oh damn.
14:40 <@shapr> I don't think people are having trouble going to cons
14:40 < RangerZ> for a few years... at least
14:40 < aestetix> I thought it was up in the air
14:40 < RangerZ> it'll probably be a GeekNic like thing
14:40 <@shapr> I'm not convinced that makerspaces detract, I think it's more likely they contribute positively.
14:40 < RangerZ> everyone goes camping that weekend or something
14:40 < aestetix> RangerZ: maybe that's for the best. They can focus on the kid for a few years, and when she's older they can do Notacon again?
14:40 < RangerZ> thats what I'm hoping
14:41 < aestetix> I mean, one of the reasons HOPE keeps going is that emmanuel doesn't have a kid or anything
14:41 < RangerZ> shapr: that wasn't my point, I meant time & money instead of 'harm'
14:41 <@shapr> oh, hm
14:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: in short "too many cons"
14:41 < RangerZ> for traveling to cons you used to go to, but are at 'bad times' for you, etc
14:41 < RangerZ> yep
14:41 < aestetix> It's way easier to do cons when there are two a year
14:41 < RangerZ> look at dragoncon and comicon
14:41 <@shapr> so you think there are too many cons?
14:42 < aestetix> shapr: yes
14:42 <@shapr> Yeah, I'm going to dragoncon
14:42 <@Wilpig> shapr: yes
14:42 <@shapr> aestetix: I think you're probably right
14:42 < RangerZ> whats funny is that... gamescon just happened
14:42 < RangerZ> and is the size of almost every con in the US combined
14:42 < aestetix> shapr: and the best part is, they all want original content
14:42 < RangerZ> lol
14:42 < RangerZ> like 450k people in the main halls alone or something stupid
14:42 < aestetix> Which is amusing because a lot of speakers reuse content
14:42 <@Wilpig> everyone is trying to be the next dragoncon, comicon, etc.  it's caused overload
14:43 < aestetix> They just don't give the 100% same talk
14:43 < RangerZ> I want to be the next Tumblrcon
14:43 < RangerZ> lol
14:43 <@Wilpig> oh god
14:43 <@shapr> what if we had a con and EVERYBODY came?
14:43 < aestetix> I mean hell there might be elements of the first nym talk I did at PN in my Harvard talk next month
14:43 < aestetix> (as phreaknic was the first conference where I spoke about nym stuff)
14:44 <@Wilpig> how many references to vaina are you gonna work into that speach?
14:44 <@Wilpig> speech*
14:44 < aestetix> Wilpig: a picture on every slide, duh
14:44 <@Wilpig> ala your pn badge?
14:44 < aestetix> hahaha
14:44 < RangerZ> aestetix: i sat at the nash2600 meetings like 5mo in a row "if we can present a professional face, I'll get people from coursera, vandy, maybe CMU, CAL, and other schools to come and present, and an unlimited # of grad students from vandy... b/c I'll just tell their profs they can MAKE their students talk... to give them practice speaking in public....
14:45 < aestetix> well two other things impact this
14:45 < aestetix> 1. the US has turned into a place where security talks/research is criminalized
14:45 < aestetix> 2. the millennials fucking suck at life
14:46 < RangerZ> I'm ~71 days out.. and don't have anything professional.. .or even up to date... other than some business cards ...
14:47 < aestetix> I think professionalism is not the issue
14:47 < aestetix> Having information for the public is the issue
14:47 < RangerZ> coursera courses AT SCALE about programming, would be of interest to a lot of people
14:47 <@Wilpig> geeknic is pro.  look at that shit
14:49 <@Dolemite> Well, look at the bright side.  Skydogcon.com doesn't even have the correct dates for this year on the website.  It's only in the twitter feed and their Facebook page.
14:49 <@Dolemite> On the shitty side, SkydogCon actually has more timely updates than PhreakNIC.  By a long shot.
14:49 <@Dolemite> er, updates on Facebook
14:49 <@oddball> Annnnd the A/C is officially non-functional.  Fuck
14:50 < aestetix> god bless hot coworkers
14:50 < RangerZ> oddball: PM
14:51 < RangerZ> aestetix: god bless first day of fall semester too
14:51  * RangerZ nods slowly
14:51 < aestetix> hha
14:51 < aestetix> well
14:51 < aestetix> this is a special time of year
14:51 < aestetix> partly because all the college grads have new jos
14:51 < aestetix> jobs
14:51 < aestetix> (see: hot coworkers)
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14:52 <@Dolemite> Well, just so you all know, the hotel we're doing GeekNIC at actually has good conference space and is walking distance to a ton of places to eat and drink.
14:52 <@Dolemite> Mirage was able to play WoW on their wifi, so it didn't suck.
14:55 < RangerZ> aestetix: "The best part about being a professor is... your girl.. every year she gets a year older... but college freshmen always stay the same age"
14:56 < aestetix> your girl?
14:56 < RangerZ> wife/g/f
14:56 < RangerZ> w/e
14:56 < RangerZ> he said wife, but I don't have one... but still
14:57 < RangerZ> prof said this to a few of us when I was in undergrad
14:57 < RangerZ> lol
14:57 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr, almost forgot
14:57 < RangerZ> dazed and confused~esk quote
14:57 <@oddball> I'm guessing he was referencing Dazed and Confused.
14:57 <@oddball> oops. :)
14:58 < RangerZ> shapr: did you tell Shadow404 to go to Liberia and do door-to-door sales?
14:58 < RangerZ> I made the mistake of letting my ex hear me tell that story once... she never let me live it down
14:59 < RangerZ> lol
14:59 <@oddball> Hey, could be worse.  Could have been the original quote and talking about high school girls.
14:59 < RangerZ> yeah
15:00 < RangerZ> unless you're from WV
15:00 < RangerZ> then or KY
15:00 < aestetix> RangerZ: all I can say is "bouncy bouncy bouncy"
15:00 < RangerZ> yeah...
15:01 < RangerZ> I get the cowgirl boots + shorts that barely count as bathing suits + sprayed on Tops
15:01 < RangerZ> problem is... from size 0 asian girls to size ... 28? ish
15:02  * shapr hugs Shadow404
15:02  * shapr hugs klixa LOTS MORE
15:02 < aestetix> I'm having sex with klixa first
15:02  * RangerZ hugs Dolemite since he needs it
15:02 < aestetix> Then Corydon76-home can have his way
15:02 < RangerZ> setting up geeknic's website took a full 8mo of his life
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15:04 <@oddball> Ah... one advantage of using Mint.  You can't log in as root out of the box.
15:06 <@Mirage> I like to delete the root acount.  makes systems much more secure. =)
15:07 < RangerZ> sudo still work? b/c of root group?
15:07 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: a full 8 months of who's life?
15:07 <@oddball> Of course, I remember arguing with one old UNIX guy who tried to tell me that sudo was stupid and a security issue.
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15:08 < RangerZ> Wilpig: did you set it up? and either way, it was showing the stupidity of a site taking this long
15:08 <@Wilpig> the geeknic site? yeah I did it
15:08 <@Wilpig> tookme two maybe three days in my spare time
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15:09 <@Wilpig> hey our tmobile root user is back
15:10 < hfuller[PH]> indeed
15:10 <@Wilpig> you should fix that.  I support the comedy kick by gatekeeper
15:10 <@oddball> Yeah... being root bad.
15:11 < hfuller[PH]> what's there to fix?
15:11 < RangerZ> Mirage: delete THAT root now
15:11 < RangerZ> are you on android?
15:11 <@Wilpig> hfuller[PH] [~root@172.56.23.162]
15:11 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: that's my guess
15:11 < hfuller[PH]> you don't think I would do that, do you? go on the internet and tell lies?
15:11 <@Wilpig> I kinda gotta shit
15:11 < RangerZ> hfuller[PH]: you shouldn't use an IRC client that requests to run as root
15:12 <@Wilpig> Dolemite: you got a hat I can borrow?  not gonna shit in it, i swear.  I just wanna be icognito going to the bathroom
15:12  * Wilpig whispers to RangerZ i'm totally gonna shit in it
15:13 < RangerZ> Dolemite: give him aestetix's "cum-hat"
15:13 < RangerZ> like that 'cum box' link he fucking linked a while ago
15:13 <@Wilpig> hfuller[PH]: what brings you to these here hostile shores?
15:14 < hfuller[PH]> I'm not running as root, you all underestimate me (which is fair because you have no idea who I am)
15:14 < hfuller[PH]> but yes I'm on android
15:14 <@Wilpig> then you're running as root
15:14 <@Wilpig> congrats on that
15:14 < hfuller[PH]> Wilpig: because se2600 sounds interesting
15:14 < hfuller[PH]> how do you figure I am running as root?
15:14 <@Wilpig> really?
15:14 <@Mirage> RangerZ: http://www.amazon.com/HM-Smallwares-Condom-Cap/dp/B008H7OLP8
15:15 < hfuller[PH]> android apps run as sandbox users
15:15  * Wilpig makes a motion to change the name to not something interesting
15:15 <@Mirage> hfuller[PH]: you have much more trust in Android than I do.
15:15 <@Wilpig> Mirage: my boss pointed me at something earlier that seemed like you might already have.  have you seen star wars by william shakespear?
15:16 < hfuller[PH]> Mirage: well you can read the source and all :D
15:16 <@Wilpig> it's an audio book
15:16 <@Mirage> Wilpig: yeah, seen them..haven't done more than a cursory look, though.   Barnes and Noble carries them,
15:16 <@Wilpig> he played a part of the audio book.  it was amusing
15:16 < RangerZ> hfuller[PH]: yes/no
15:17 < RangerZ> by 'default' they do
15:17 < RangerZ> however you CAN change that
15:17 <@Mirage> hfuller[PH]: you can read the source as published by google, but not the compiled binaries as distributed by your carrier or mod provider
15:17 < hfuller[PH]> you can also run as root on a Linux box and go on IRC. but that would be a bad idea.
15:17 < RangerZ> and unless you are having your irc client report the wrong name on purpose (or it does that by default to troll people) then you have an issue
15:17 <@Wilpig> hfuller[PH]: in any case.  if you're running irc on yoru phone at least change hte user name to something that isn't root because gatekeeper makes me laugh
15:18 <@Wilpig> and without it in the room we lose our url scanning protection
15:19 < hfuller[PH]> Mirage, the same is true of Linux distros. can't really read those binaries either, but its easy enough to install your own.
15:19 <@Wilpig> gatekeeper missing someone might accidentally click this.  http://silvercollection.tumblr.com/
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15:19 < hfuller[PH]> RangerZ, I am reporting the wrong name on purpose. that's what I meant about the telling lies bit. :)
15:19 <@Wilpig> I should kick Corydon76-home for originally posting that link
15:20 < hfuller[PH]> Wilpig: I have altered my ident. you can bring the bot back. if it kicks me I'll reconnect to make it take effect.
15:21 <@Mirage> hfuller[PH]: I feel much more comfirtable using a system I built and control the security on than something released to the masses from a company that makes most of it's money by selling your information and by a company who's main goal is not to provide you with the best service possible, but to find whatever way possible to charge you more for the services you use.
15:21 < hfuller[PH]> what is your proposed alternative to android?
15:22 <@Mirage> A non smartphone
15:22 < RangerZ> Mirage: yes/no, but you're going to see 'content providers', 'broadcast recievers', and 'intents' backported to Linux
15:22 < hfuller[PH]> did you build that firmware Mirage?
15:22 <@Mirage> If I wasn't required to have one, I wouldn't
15:22 < hfuller[PH]> fair enough haha
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15:23 < RangerZ> but 'binder' is still taking time to be incorp. into the kernel
15:23 < RangerZ> :/
15:24 < RangerZ> but broadcast Intents are going to be how in-home communication of different devices occurs (my guess)
15:24 -ChanServ:#se2600- Wilpig set flags +AORiorstv on Gerdesas.
15:26 < RangerZ> Mirage: have issues with Cyanogenmod roms of android then with all open source code?
15:27 < RangerZ> (unless they are including blob drivers or something too)
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15:28 <@Wilpig> don't ever leave me again
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15:32 <@shapr> http://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/michael-daniels-path-to-white-house-i-2422
15:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Michael Daniels Path to the White House - GovInfoSecurity (at www.govinfosecurity.com)
15:34 < RangerZ> shapr: there is an arguement for what he's saying
15:34 < RangerZ> BUT, only if you are a super-manager
15:35 < RangerZ> but then he's at the mercy of his top commanders (advisors/implementers)
15:35 <@shapr> in short, NOPE
15:37 < RangerZ> but thats more of manager role
15:37 < RangerZ> NOT an 'avisor' role
15:37 < RangerZ> advisor
15:40 <@Dolemite> yay, go home time
15:40 <@Mirage> RangerZ: I run CM on my phone and only install the minimal amount of apps.   Anything that pops up an add or requests more privs than is needed gets axed.  I also have the security option enabled for everything by default...including some of the google built-in apps
15:45 < RangerZ> just wondering, b/c I agree that we 'need' BIOS for phones, and then standard bootloaders
15:45 < RangerZ> (firmware/drivers) are going to be hard to ever get fully OSS
15:46 <@oddball> Oh god yes, we need a standard BIOS for phones.
15:46 <@brimstone> ubot4lyfe
15:46 <@brimstone> *uboot
15:47 < RangerZ> oddball: gogole's project aria is actually going to try and have that
15:47 < RangerZ> but thats years away
15:48 <@oddball> Of course, the problem is that the carriers are actively against the idea.
15:48 < RangerZ> b/c you'll need a standard to allow _new_ hardware to be installed on the device
15:49 <@oddball> And, for the most part, they're the real customers of the hardware manufacturers.
15:49 < RangerZ> yes/no, I think if google just _gives_ it to the manf. and makes a big deal about it
15:49 < RangerZ> samsung and htc would probably follow it, to make their 900$ phones
15:49 < RangerZ> etc
15:49 < RangerZ> just to have another line of bragging rights between the 2
15:49 < RangerZ> lol
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15:50 <@oddball> Yeah, but both have a history of giving in to the phone companies and locking the bootloaders and letting the carriers criple the phones
15:50 < RangerZ> but I'm guessing that if they want Android 6.0, they will have to support the bios format
15:51 < RangerZ> doesn't mean they can't 'wrap' that format by their OWN bios
15:51 < RangerZ> but that would be fucking suicidal
15:51 <@Mirage> Has HTC taken down their site for providing the boot unlocker to end users?
15:51 < RangerZ> maybe
15:51 < RangerZ> b/c it was illegal in the US
15:51 < RangerZ> until just a few weeks ago
15:52 < RangerZ> b/c congressional librarian decided to fuck us
15:52 < RangerZ> oh wait... did I say that outloud
15:52 <@oddball> The site also required a serial number to get to the downloader, and if that serial number matched an ATT phone? They would tell you "tough shit."
15:52 <@Mirage> When I got my HTC 4G LTE last year it was up and working.
15:52 <@oddball> Because ATT told them to.
15:53 <@Mirage> oddball: ah..i don't have ATT
15:53 < RangerZ> well its legal now again
15:53 <@oddball> Found that out the hard way with my HTC One X.
15:53 < RangerZ> so I would expect it to come back at some point
15:54 <@oddball> Also, fuck them for making a phone without a microSD card slot.
15:55 < RangerZ> I hereby announce that one of my first acts as a congressman if I ever get elected... is to remove that 'duty' from the 'congressional librarian' and give it to a committee (i'd figure out how to fill that later) but any 'exception' they ever declare... would be perminant
15:55 < RangerZ> b/c 'rights' going away like that... fucking anti-american
15:55 < RangerZ> and I mean that in the most-constitional way possible
15:56 <@oddball> "oh, that item you bought?  Yeah... you don't actually own it."
15:56 < RangerZ> I don't even mean that, I mean that every 3 years, your entire industry/career can be outlawed
15:56 <@oddball> Like you don't actually buy a copy of a movie when you buy a DVD.  You buy a perpetual license to watch that particular copy the way they see fit.
15:57 < RangerZ> not perpetual
15:57 < RangerZ> which is even worse
15:57 < RangerZ> but thats a _bigger_ issue
15:57 < RangerZ> but I'm a fan of 'low hanging fruit' approach
15:57 <@oddball> There's an expiration beyond "fuck, this disc is too damaged to play?"
15:57 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: wear underwear damnit
15:58 < RangerZ> yes/no
15:58  * oddball keeps RangerZ away from my kilt.
15:58 <@Wilpig> nobody wants to see your hanging fruit
15:58 < RangerZ> blue rays actually do
15:58 <@oddball> Oh, fuck.  Because of the god damned DRM?
15:58 < RangerZ> bluray has a mechanism to include a key revoke list
15:58 < RangerZ> which could prevent all movies encoded with it, from playing
15:59 <@oddball> fuckers
15:59 < RangerZ> yep
15:59 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awFrWxfDA30
15:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Brad Templeton: Todays Surveillance Society is Beyond Orwellian - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:59 < RangerZ> EFF chair
15:59 < RangerZ> ex-now i guess
16:00 < RangerZ> but yeah... remember how the master key got leaked for blu rays a while back
16:00 < RangerZ> not as bad as HD-DVD's  'there can be only one' master key
16:01 < RangerZ> they COULD have included a revoke list to kill ALL movies encoded with that key
16:01 < RangerZ> but it would have killed bluray
16:06 < RangerZ> also... even with DVDs and CDs
16:07 < RangerZ> they can 'say' you lost your liscense
16:07 < RangerZ> just no way to 'enforce' it
16:09 <@ignotus-sdf> oddball: so I'm not alone on the kilt thing?
16:10 <@oddball> ignotus-sdf: Oh hell no.  I got married in one.
16:10 <@oddball> Got 6 of 'em hanging in the closet and wearing one at the moment.
16:11 < RangerZ> ignotus-sdf: he just can't find pants that fit over his thighs
16:11 < RangerZ> lol
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> awesome! Mine's too damn expensive. If I go with the Scot side, I can wear MacDonald and/or Gunn. I wear a black utilikilt from UTKilts most of the time.
16:12 < RangerZ> I joke... but in first english class at YSU had a fucking GIANT guy in it, wearing a kilt... and it turned out he was one of the top 'strong man' competitors in the country (i beleive it) and he said that I just liked them... but now its hard to buy pants that fit right b/c of his leg width
16:12 <@ignotus-sdf> We are predominately Welsh, and those are pricey. :(
16:13 <@ignotus-sdf> kilts are so comfortable. easy to work in, too.
16:13 < RangerZ> and "woman with skirt up runs faster than man with pants down" confusian proverb doesn't apply
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16:18 <@oddball> ignotus-sdf: By the way, here's a good excuse to wear them next month http://kiltedtokickcancer.org/
16:18 <@Wilpig> notlarry: did you know about this?  http://www.sixthavenueskatepark.com/
16:19 <@oddball> ignotus-sdf: Eh, I don't have the heritage.  Most of mine are either Utilikilt or 5.11.  I've got one "proper" kilt, and it's a non-clan tartan.
16:19 < RangerZ> ignotus-sdf: Ireland gave up kilts for boys during dancing
16:20 < RangerZ> riverdance + kilt = bad
16:20 <@ignotus-sdf> riverdance + anything = bad
16:20 < RangerZ> plus its only a recent thing anyways to show celtic solidarity
16:20 <@ignotus-sdf> riverdance is Irish like Paula Deen is Southern.
16:20 < RangerZ> true, b/c riverdance is so good by itself, it doesn't need anything else
16:20 < RangerZ> lol
16:23 <@notlarry> Wilpig: Yeah.  Bought a set of wheels down there a couple of months ago.  Got a free skate session card but have not had a chance to go down and try the place out.  If you know what I mean...
16:23 < RangerZ> thats a good line, but I'd argue its just a modern twist to irish dance, where as paula deen is just a woman out of 1950s in today's world, and not ashamed of it (other than being caught being racist ) (Note I said 'being caught' not 'being' ) lol
16:24 <@Wilpig> notlarry: I hear you.  your candy van is drawing too much attention.
16:25 <@Wilpig> RangerZ: am I racist for hating whitey?
16:25 <@ignotus-sdf> putting sugar in cornbread is a heresy and sin. Paula Deen needs a state that ain't mine. Connecticut might work.
16:25  * Wilpig punches ignotus-sdf 
16:25 <@Wilpig> sugar in anything is good
16:25 <@Wilpig> like bacon
16:26 <@Wilpig> and butter
16:26 < RangerZ> Wilpig: other than my albino irish cousin, you're the whitest person I've ever met
16:26 < RangerZ> with a tint of red
16:26 <@ignotus-sdf> :O (oh yeah. you're up North. I forgive you.)
16:26 <@Wilpig> you callin' me a yankee?
16:26 <@Wilpig> thems fightin' words
16:26 < RangerZ> nah, I wouldn't compliment you like that
16:26 <@ignotus-sdf> then come back to the fold that loves you. ;)
16:26 <@Wilpig> now, RangerZ, is a god damned yankee
16:27 <@ignotus-sdf> lol!
16:27 <@ignotus-sdf> no, I think it's a NE Georgia thing, actually.
16:27 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dftj4V4sI
16:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gerard Butlers Kilt Disaster - The Graham Norton Show - Series 10 Episode 9 - BBC One - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:27 <@ignotus-sdf> We've been here since the 1700s.
16:27 <@Wilpig> ignotus-sdf: i'm enjoying the non-folds having yankees.  they're nice to look at in their tight jeans
16:28 <@ignotus-sdf> ah. and California...
16:28 <@Wilpig> my grandpa puts sugar in his cornbread, but he spent much time in cali
16:29 <@ignotus-sdf> some of the scenery down here can hide small children and animals in their folds. Many do.
16:29 <@Wilpig> he also puts in bacon grease and jalepenos
16:29 <@ignotus-sdf> I can handle that part. I used to like the cracklins when I was a kid.
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16:33 <@ignotus-sdf> I don't really know what it is about Deen that gets me so irritated... My wife knows who I'm talking about because I call her Beelzebub.
16:35 <@Wilpig> not nice to call your wife names
16:39 < RangerZ> are you going to help your Jack off his horse too?
16:40 < RangerZ> uncle*
16:40 < RangerZ> its time for a nap
16:40 < RangerZ> lol
16:40 <@Mirage> RangerZ: damn auto-complete?
16:41 < RangerZ> no, just tired
16:41 < RangerZ> my sleep schedule is all messed up
16:41 < RangerZ> sleeping 6pm to 2am last week
16:42 <@Mirage> I just got back from a client's site in CA..so my internal clock is a little hosed right now too
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16:48 < aestetix> man
16:48 < aestetix> I swear 23 year olds have the perfect ass
16:51 < aestetix> RangerZ: this is why I cannot be a teacher at a college
16:51 < aestetix> I wonder how many college professors jerk off after class
16:52 < RangerZ> a few
16:52 < aestetix> really?
16:52 < RangerZ> the one hot teacher I had, had an affair with a student
16:53 < RangerZ> they were doing it in her small office
16:53 <@ignotus-sdf> sounds like it.
16:53 < RangerZ> and I came to ask her about doing research with her the day it broke somewhat , so I walked in on her balling her eyes out crying
16:54 < RangerZ> akward
16:54 < RangerZ> but thank god... I never saw the pics of her and the horse
16:54 < RangerZ> or read the chat logs that exist between them... or the videos of them together...
16:55 < RangerZ> apparently in her youth in the countryside she did horse gag... yeah...
16:55 < RangerZ> thats not something you need to know about someone you might work with...
16:55 < aestetix> uh
16:55 < aestetix> how did "had an affair with a student" turn into "pics of her and the horse"
16:56 <@notlarry> It is both hot and moist out by the student commons.  If you know what I mean...
16:56 < aestetix> notlarry: how many students do you have?
16:56 < RangerZ> b/c I was well informed, and handed the 4" thick (no jokes here please) 3-ring binder and a USB drive, with the chat logs, etc on it
16:56 < RangerZ> and I was like>.... NOPE ... don't wanna know
16:57 < RangerZ> aestetix: the candy van gets him ~1 every 2.5 weeks or so
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16:58 < aestetix> but words come to mind: young, gullible, flexible, supple...
17:00 < RangerZ> also... FBI, Interpol, NSA
17:00 < aestetix> Wilpig: have any of them in the tumblr office?
17:00 < RangerZ> 'any'.. he's the older employee for Tumblr
17:01 < RangerZ> lol
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17:20 < aestetix> oddball: ouch
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17:22 < RangerZ> oddball: ... my client died b/c of that level of BS
17:22 < RangerZ> popeX: "Patience, grasshopper. All will be revealed."
17:22 < RangerZ> about your "where is the website"
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17:24 < RangerZ> and for the record, the site is NOT up now
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17:24 < RangerZ> if it was...t hen that _might_ have been acceptable
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17:35 <@oddball> annnnnnd the A/C is needing to be replaced!
17:36 <@Dagmar> i <3 abandoned cargo
17:37 < RangerZ> oddball: for your house?
17:37 <@oddball> yep
17:37 < RangerZ> Dagmar: 'sure...abandoned'
17:37 < RangerZ> ouch
17:37 < RangerZ> compressor go?
17:37 <@Dagmar> No, actually abandoned
17:38 <@oddball> Compressor is damaged, and is old enough that it runs on the old freon.
17:39 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, no one's scanned me while carrying it yet.
17:39 <@Dagmar> This stuff was just floating in open space.
17:39 <@Dagmar> An "unidentified signal source" I started to just pass by.
17:39 <@Dagmar> 4 tons of gold.
17:39 <@Dagmar> MINE.
17:40 < RangerZ> oddball: as much as it sucks right now, replacing the unit will save money over time though
17:40 < RangerZ> b/c the efficiency of units has gone from 4~8 to 18~28 or something silly
17:40 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: central or window?
17:40 <@oddball> Yeah... I know.
17:40 <@rattle> Yeah, if it's that old, you'll get ROI within two years.  I had the same situation not long ago.
17:40 <@oddball> central
17:41 <@rattle> How many ton is the unit?
17:41 < RangerZ> get one that uses R-410A "Puron" instead of Freon (R-22)
17:42 <@Corydon76-home> Most of the local places will let you finance a new unit
17:42  * Corydon76-home speaks from experience
17:42 < RangerZ> b/c Freon won't be manf. after 2020 at all
17:42 < RangerZ> and is already getting manytimes more expensive
17:42 <@rattle> Or if you really want to do the hardcore, and you have a south facing roof..  The solar companies will roll redoing your cooling and heating into a longterm lease job..
17:43 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I don't think Freon units are even available for purchase anymore
17:43 <@Dagmar> Maybe get one that's cooled with zyklon-b.  I hear it works pretty well.
17:43 <@rattle> End result, is nothing out of pocket, and 50% your usual electric bill guaranteed for the next 8-10 years.
17:43 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: not sure, but worth wathcing out for incase he gets a used one
17:43 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: not with a central unit
17:44 <@Corydon76-home> afaik, there's no secondary market for those things, just recyclers
17:45 <@Corydon76-home> Don't get me wrong, the copper in those things is worth quite a bit
17:45 < RangerZ> yeah
17:46 < RangerZ> dunno, I know there is for window ones
17:46 < RangerZ> but that might just be b/c they can easily carry them in cars to pawn shops
17:46 < RangerZ> LOL
17:47 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, you need at least a pickup to carry one of the central units
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17:50 <@Dagmar>  Nah, I can put the seats down and take one in my car.
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18:03 <@Wilpig> yay for my new shirt.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/4dvyofqi1iawhlp/Photo%20on%208-21-14%20at%205.58%20PM%20%232.jpg?dl=0
18:12 < aestetix> http://www.sfgate.com/drought/
18:12 < aestetix> 118 days since rain
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18:20 < aestetix> This explains why it's so insane here
18:20 < aestetix> The average tech wage on the mid-Peninsula (San Mateo County) last year was $291,497.
18:20 < aestetix> http://blog.sfgate.com/pender/2014/08/21/these-tech-worker-wages-will-astound-you/
18:27 <@Dagmar> More interesting reading--which just won a HUgo: http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/09/equoid
18:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Equoid by Charles Stross | Tor.com (at www.tor.com)
18:38 <@Wilpig> http://geekologie.com/2014/08/throw-the-book-at-him-high-schooler-arre.php
18:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Throw The Book At Him!: High Schooler Arrested For Writing Story About Shooting Neighbor's Pet Dinosaur | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
18:53 <@Dagmar> Oh shit...
18:53 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/djheavygrinder/photos/a.85963791111.80105.6258151111/10152586973926112/?type=1
18:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Timeline Photos (at www.facebook.com)
18:53 <@Dagmar> Japan is readying for war
18:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you know the japanese military built a veritech from macross right?
18:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> they just didn't have a powerful enough energy source or thrusters to make it work
18:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but the damn thing would have transformed
18:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah, because if someone's going to let you try, why WOULDN'T you?
18:56 <@Dagmar> This will be taken down soon I'm sure but... Yet more cops in St. Louis who need to be fired.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408663512  <-- NSFL: Suicide by cop
18:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much
18:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: Powell Shooting (Cell Phone Camera) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
18:56 <@Wilpig> I heard shoot me, and they did.  case closed.
18:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> he at least had a knife and was closing
18:57 <@Dagmar> Dude was pacing around clearly crazy
18:57 <@Wilpig> maybe on eof the cops should have said "your wish is granted"
18:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> and who had fucking steady cam ready
18:57 <@Dagmar> Except the cops lied in their report
18:57 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: the dude was filming a crazy person
18:57 <@Dagmar> THey said he had the knife held overhead and was running at them to strike
18:57 <@Wilpig> cops just happened to show up
18:57 <@Dagmar> ...which is very much a *lie*
18:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i mean... look at the quality of stability (its a post processing trick of the original video)...
18:58 <@Wilpig> youtube does that automagically now?
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> is kwmu a radio station?
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... st. louis radio
19:01 <@Dagmar> I've got another video (low-light camera even) of Ferguson police firing rubber bullets and tear gas at another group of protestors
19:02 <@Dagmar> In a *neighborhood*
19:02 <@oddball> Oh... the St. Louis cops that shot the guy for.. um... walking towards them?
19:02 <@oddball> And then claimed that the guy had a knife held over his head?
19:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah and then they lied in their police report, apparently unaware someone was video recording
19:03 <@Dagmar> THe audio on the video I'm watching sounds like one of the streamers
19:03 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152387299573432
19:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
19:03 <@oddball> When it came out that the cop that shot Brown had a broken eye socket, I really started wondering if that report wasn't the truth after all, this other shooting?  Yeahh.....
19:04 <@Dagmar> oddball: No, that bit about the eye socket was just a lie
19:04 <@Dagmar> That's not an injury you just casually walk around with
19:05 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152387299573432 <-- unrelated police abuse from Ferguson
19:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
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19:10 <@oddball> Dagmar: Ah... thought I had read that he was actually in the hospital for a bit.
19:14 < aestetix> Dagmar: is that the guy that pleaded with them to shoot and kill him..... so they did?
19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> wait
19:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> the first one was
19:18 < aestetix> It's kind of mean to say "he was asking for it" but in this case it is literally true
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19:21 < aestetix> man
19:21 < aestetix> I can feel the sexual tension in the air
19:21 < aestetix> 23 year olds don't do anything besides fuck and bide time until they can fuck again, do they
19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> at work?
19:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> and whats wrong with that?
19:22 < aestetix> Nothing.
19:22 < aestetix> It's just wow hormones
19:22 <@Dagmar> Oh hell.  Ann Coulter took the ALS ice bucket challenge: https://www.facebook.com/lovebscott/photos/a.10151496839122894.1073741825.52946962893/10152290951022894/?type=1&theater
19:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mobile Uploads (at www.facebook.com)
19:22 < aestetix> hahaha
19:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
19:23 < aestetix> It's like "wow we are young and on our own and have bodies. let's play with them!"
19:23 <@Wilpig> why aren't you joining them?
19:23  * aestetix curses at chef
19:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmOdI80sC5U
19:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Swedish Chef -Flappen Jacken Hooten! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:43 < aestetix> Wilpig: do you have hotties like that at tumblr?
19:43 < aestetix> Or just using tumblr
19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> at
19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's linked pics before
19:50 < aestetix> url
19:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't have them
19:50 < aestetix> tease
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20:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh damn it... the cop from ferguson, just went to the hospital, saying that his newly broken arm, was result of that night, because of the thousands of micro-fractures that the  'assaulter' that was 'peacefully stopped' did
20:12 <@oddball> link?
20:25 <@oddball> Oh... by the way, apparently a completely black gun club did an open carry march in TX yesterday, and the gun community, as far as I can see, has responded with "good for them.  Is thier right."
20:34 <@Dagmar> heheh
20:35 <@Dagmar> Love of guns crosses all boundaries
20:36 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So, in other worse, his truncheon arm is all wore out?
20:39 <@oddball> Dagmar: but... but... everyone keeps telling me that all gun owners are racist bastards!
20:40 <@opticron> well...even if they are, public acceptance of their gun lust is more important than public acceptance of their racism
20:40 <@oddball> Sorry... the Open Carry Texas folks did have a bit of criticism.  They asked why those guys didn't show up to their meetings and invited them to do so. :)
20:42 <@oddball> And yes, I've met gun owners that were, in fact, racist bastards, but I'm pretty sure that's more due to them being rednecks that fucked their cousins than them owning guns. :p
20:44 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: I don't have a lot of sympathy if a cop broke his arm while killing a black kid
20:45 <@oddball> Even if it was the kid that broke his arm?  And apparently his eye socket?
20:46 < aestetix> So the kid breaks his arm, and the cop kills him as a response?
20:47 < aestetix> (Honest question, I haven't kept up)
20:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: I was trying to be sarcastic
20:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> but sadly... when absurdity becomes reality, satire becomes news
20:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
20:49 <@oddball> The general rule is that if you have reason to fear for either immediate loss of your  life or grievous harm, it's ok to use lethal force.  At least, that's the case for ordinary citizens.
20:49 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Ah, ok.
20:50 <@oddball> But if it was the case that he had his eye socket busted (as I've read), then that does indicate that he was in a rather nasty fight where it would be reasonable to think that the cop was in fear of his life.
20:51 < aestetix> penis
20:52 <@oddball> If your penis is fracturing people's eye sockets, I'm going to have to ask you to keep it in your pants.
20:52 < aestetix> Is that concealed carry?
20:53 <@oddball> I think only if you're carrying it with intent.
20:53 <@oddball> Of course, you live in Cali, so...
20:54 <@oddball> just make sure the cops don't mistake it for nunchuks. :p
20:56 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: The indication is that the claimed type of eye socket damage would have been excruciatingly painful, and the video showing him calmly walking around afterwards disproves that injury
20:56 <@oddball> ok
20:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon has a very relevant point there.
20:57 <@Dagmar> Dude is walking around in the video apparently completely unharmed.
20:57 <@oddball> gotcha
20:57 <@notlarry> I got a friend who's girlfriend broke his jaw with her pelvic bone...  If you know what I mean...
20:57 <@Corydon76-home> I suspect there's a large amount of white supremacists spreading complete bullshit, hoping that another white cop doesn't go down for shooting a black man
20:57 <@Dagmar> It's possible he had someone strike him after the fact, so that he could claim the injuries happened while he was there, but there's been no substantive proof of *any* injury sustained by that officer
20:58 <@Dagmar> Just some bloggers with a known history of lying, and some _faked_ pictures
20:58 <@oddball> Well, I'm trying to only believe the shit that I see show up in actual newspapers/news.  Of course, we know how reliable they are....
20:58 <@Dagmar> THere's plenty of post-shooting video
20:58 <@Corydon76-home> And yes, the white supremacist link has been shown to some of the sources of the eye socket injury claim
20:59 <@notlarry> Dagmar: A slight case of carpal tunnel syndrome from repeatedly pulling the triger is what I heard...  If you know what I mean...
20:59 <@oddball> 'k
20:59 <@oddball> heh
20:59 <@Dagmar> notlarry: Yeah that's why I said maybe his truncheon arm was worn out
20:59 <@oddball> Damn... I had forgotten how fucked up Baraberella was.
20:59 <@Dagmar> It's hard work beating all those innocent people with a wooden stick
21:00 <@Dagmar> There's very little padding on those things
21:00 <@notlarry> Like my mom used to tell me "This is going to hurt me more than it is going to hurt you" was because of an old shoulder injury she sustained in the war.  If you know what I mean...
21:00 <@Dagmar> ...and the kickback on a gun that fires rubber bullets is extremely strong.
21:00 <@Dagmar> Those things were designed to fire teeny weeny bullets and then modified to shoot golf-ball sized pencil erasers
21:01 <@Dagmar> ...and no studies have been done with respect to how damaging it can be for someone to fire those things for a week straight
21:04 <@Dagmar> I *suspect* Obama cracked a whip on someone since the National Guard has been ordered to pull out of Ferguson now
21:04 <@notlarry> Dagmar: From my history lessons from the movies that usually means they are preparing the nukes...  If you know what I mean...
21:04 <@oddball> Ok, so who's next on the list to take over LEO duty?
21:05 <@Dagmar> There isn't.
21:05 < aestetix> Does missouri have a highway patrol?
21:05 <@Dagmar> I figure they're going to cross their fingers and hope there's more looting and burning, and then declare martial law
21:05 <@oddball> They've already gone through the locals, the county sheriff, state highway patrol, National Guard...
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21:05 <@Dagmar> ...of course I'm sure they have plans to _ensure_ there's more looting and burning
21:06 <@Corydon76-home> Only ones left are FBI, and they don't work alone in local situations
21:06 <@oddball> aestetix: Yep, and they've already had their shot.  They took over last wednesday, I believe.
21:06 <@Dagmar> ...and after a week of beaing beaten and teargassed, there's not many locals who want any more of it.
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21:06 < aestetix> How do these LEO groups keep consistently fucking it up?
21:06 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: The FBI can be expected to have some fuckin' sense I guess
21:06 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: usually because some politician can't help but make "helpful" suggestions
21:07 < aestetix> So the natural answer is that they will create a new type of law enforcement to handle this.
21:07 <@oddball> I wish I could find anyone else to support it, but I saw someone stating that a large majority of folks arrested for looting were out of towners.
21:07 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: that wouldn't surprise me
21:07 <@Dagmar> The looters are opportunists, and they wouldn't have the opportunity if there weren't hundreds of heavily-armed cops pissing everyone off.
21:08 <@Corydon76-home> Also wouldn't surprise me if the out of towners turned out to be hired guns, meant specifically to make the protesters into bad guys, to JUSTIFY the use of force
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21:08 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: I saw that happen during occupy oakland
21:08 <@Dagmar> Yep.
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21:08 <@Dagmar> I suspect most of Ferguson is also very tired of the "forced march"
21:08 < aestetix> IE I saw someone with a police cell phone/walkie who kept trying to get the crowd to do illegal things
21:08 <@oddball> Including a few from several states away.
21:09 <@notlarry> That is just crazy talk, no one would ever do that.  If you know what I mean...
21:09 <@Dagmar> Rememebr that trick, because sine it was effective, it will almost certainly be used again.
21:09 <@Dagmar> "Make the people walk non-stop.  Exhaustion is an effective weapon against dissent"
21:09 < aestetix> forced march?
21:09 <@Dagmar> Yes, for the last day or two the police have been ordering everyone who wants to protest to keep walking.  All the time.
21:09 < aestetix> Ohhhh. Yeah that's annoying.
21:09 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: if they can keep the protesters moving, many will tire out and go home
21:10 <@Dagmar> Unless someone's an athelete, they're only going to be able to keep that up for one day, possibly two.
21:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: https://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/aqm3dWQ_460sa_v1.gif
21:10 <@notlarry> aestetix: Yeah, it is being reported that in order to exersise their first amendment rigthts they have to keep moving...  If you know what I mean...
21:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> SFW
21:10 < aestetix> Is that the old "if you're standing on the sidewalk, keep moving or we'll arrest you for blocking traffic"?
21:10 <@Dagmar> Yes.
21:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> its anti-cyclist, lol
21:11 <@Dagmar> I don't think the anger is winding down so much as the locals are all exhausted
21:11 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: that is fucking hilarious
21:11 <@Dagmar> ...and good luck to anyone trying to organize people online.
21:11 <@Dagmar> They'll be getting a no-knock raid to shut them up.
21:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: ohh even better
21:11 < aestetix> Dagmar: the correct answer is to organize a ton of bail money, and then have a mass arrest
21:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> CA has the 'kill switch' bill at the gov's desk
21:11 <@Dagmar> Nah
21:11 < aestetix> Making sure everyone who gets arrested does not already have a warrant
21:11 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: it's too bad somebody cannot track down exactly what entity is paying the looters
21:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> why no-knock raid
21:11 <@Dagmar> I'd say let there be a mass arrest, and then tear down the jail.
21:12 < aestetix> haha
21:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> when you can just flip a switch and turn off their phones
21:12 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: The FBI have become slightly circumspect in their use of those magic powers now
21:12 <@Dagmar> They caught rather a lot of crap for all the stuff Bank of America talked them into.
21:12 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: it's hard for me to have sympathy for people who advertise anti-surveillance rallies with Facebook event invites and then take photos of the event with their iPhones
21:12 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Because fuck you.  We've got expensive SWAT teams and gear that need justifying.
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> facebook = private corp. not the go'vt
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is a BIG diff
21:13 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: guaranteed, some hacker will learn how to flip that switch independently and activate it in the vicinity of a legislative body...
21:13 < aestetix> Yes. The government in theory has oversight.
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> facebook security can't legally detain me
21:13 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Three nights ago, if suddenly all the live feeds lost connectivity, all hell would have broken loose.
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you over-estimate people... sadly
21:13 <@Dagmar> It's very clear that the cops in Ferguson were watching the live feeds.
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> you, me, this channel would have cared
21:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'there' not much
21:14 <@Corydon76-home> Or worse, a terrorist will flip that switch just before he detonates something, and leaves it killed for hours
21:14 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: or legally show up at your door, shoot you in the face, and then say "oops, wrong house."
21:14 <@Dagmar> ...and not engaging in large scale sweeps of tear gas and rubber bullets where any live feeds are present.
21:14 <@Dagmar> Hint hint.
21:14 <@Dagmar> That's why we only get recorded video of them gassing and shooting at unarmed, stationary people.
21:14 < aestetix> Dagmar: that's why the cops all need to wear cameras
21:15 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, because at least a few of them will forget to block the camera...
21:15 <@Dagmar> They got to the point last night where they would have normally used tear gas, and then realized that what they had left was about 60% reporters.
21:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> and local police not being able to block helicopter news
21:15 < aestetix> Although Oakland PD has to wear cameras, and in response they created a new legal battle because the idiot policymakers forgot to mandate they make the videos public.
21:15 <@Dagmar> ...and then they began arresting people who weren't reporters, but were standing in the "press area".
21:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: didn't you say they arrested a legal observer?
21:15 <@Dagmar> Including, a green hatted legal witness who is a member of the National Lawyers guild.
21:15 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: that happens.
21:16 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yep
21:16 < aestetix> Legal observers are trained to be ready to get arrested.
21:16 <@Dagmar> But honestly, I'm pretty damn sure the cops there have been watching live feeds
21:16 < aestetix> That's why you're supposed to call NLG when you head to an event. So they can be ready to bail you out.
21:16 <@Dagmar> It's only been after the live feeds have gone to zero that they've started popping off cans and shooting at people.  Every damn night.
21:17 <@Dagmar> We should not *have* to inundate the streets with media in order to keep the cops from behaving like jackbooted nazis.
21:17 <@Dagmar> This isn't fucking pre-war Germany.
21:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually its pretty close
21:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
21:18 <@Dagmar> I know.
21:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> just imagine us with a republican president right now
21:18 <@Dagmar> I've been trying to think of legal ways to reinforce my biker jacket to make it rubber bullet resistant
21:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> and republican senate
21:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: easy, dragon scale armor
21:18 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'd have already driven to Ferguson
21:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> and there is tazer proof material too
21:19 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: The cops get very upset about civilians obtaining or wearing non-obvious body armor.
21:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lots of thin layers of flexible plastic, layered in a 'dragon scale' pattern
21:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> provides best flexibility and protection
21:20 <@Dagmar> I would also like to not die from heat exhaustion
21:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> YOU NEVER SAID THAT
21:20 < aestetix> So I haven't actually been hit by rubber bullets
21:20 <@Dagmar> It's just a thing I do
21:20 < aestetix> But I have been tear gassed.
21:20 < aestetix> That shit fucking stings.
21:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: Corydon76-home farting in your face, doesn't count
21:20 < aestetix> haha
21:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless he had butter beans first
21:22 < aestetix> So what happens now.... does DHS take back all the military equipment?
21:24 <@Dagmar> No, now we suggest that Gatorade sponsor the protests
21:25 < aestetix> hahaha
21:25 < aestetix> You know
21:25 < aestetix> It wouldn't be hard to set up a website saying something like that
21:25 < aestetix> Or if you want to hit hard, say that KFC is sponsoring the Ferguson PD's efforts
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21:26 < aestetix> Or maybe bring in... what's the company that was against same-sex marriage
21:27 <@oddball> Chick-Fil-A?
21:27 < aestetix> maybe
21:28 < aestetix> What's an org that deserves to get pulled into this mess?
21:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> NRA
21:29 <@Dagmar> Now *that* would be hilarious
21:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> what... NRA is in favor of every ferguson citizen getting their guns
21:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> and open carry
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21:30 <@sasquatc4> damn, just realized i forgot to setup a timer at work to record every simpsons
21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> sasquatc4: don't worry, it'll be on BT soon, in one big torrent (it probably already was, TBH)
21:31 <@sasquatc4> yea im sure it was, just rather have them at work for when im bored
21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> you work tomorrow?
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c first season isn't that good
21:32 <@sasquatc4> yea, so ill catch em starting tomorrow
21:32 <@sasquatc4> they are on s2 now
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> TBH I think it went downhill when they did nothing but focus on homer
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> bart was a much better character
21:32 <@sasquatc4> yea
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> but homer sells crap merchandise
21:32 <@sasquatc4> last season was the first one in a while that i didnt even bother watching all of them, even having them recorded
21:33 <@Dagmar> The only problem with the NRA being directly involved is that Ferguson would become the next Kent State within 24 hours
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> i can't tell you how many 10ks of dollars worth of crap at suncoast I sold 10 years ago
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: I'm from there, its not so bad now
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> we could use a good kent state right about now
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> shock people
21:33 <@Dagmar> Well, there's a lot of room for improvement considering that it was the site of a massacre
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> instead of it being 1 person at a time , every other day
21:34 <@Dagmar> You have a point
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: leave the freshmen class of 2004 out of this
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> they were fucking useless
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh wait... you meant the shooting
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah.. that was bad too
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> the shooting AT kent, is basically a joke now
21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> 1/2 a day off of school
21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> in the afternoon
21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> when there are barely any classes anyways
21:35 < aestetix> Wow.
21:35 <@Dagmar> ...and I note it's another thing the press hasn't said a *word* about
21:35 < aestetix> That would be a fantastic troll.
21:35 < aestetix> NRA for Ferguson.
21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually rachel maddow did the other night
21:35 < aestetix> "We're gunning for you"
21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> but she's the only one who brings in history
21:36 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: what did she do
21:36 <@Dagmar> For sure if all thsoe people were packing heat, the cops would not dare the shit they've been doing
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> brought up kent st. about ferguson
21:36 < aestetix> ahh
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> and nat. guard
21:36 <@Dagmar> Maybe what we need are *armed* reporters
21:36 < aestetix> Well, you know what they say
21:36 <@Dagmar> ...or small caliber handguns with the featureset of smartphones
21:36 < aestetix> The second amendment protects the first.
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: we just need to get 1 billionaire, and have him buy a guy for every black adult of 18+ who isn't a fellon
21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> problem solved
21:37 <@Dagmar> WOW
21:37 <@Dagmar> SUCH TYPO
21:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually second was designed to protect the 3rd
21:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow..
21:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry, i saw aestetix's comment above it, and ... well...
21:38 <@oddball> Yeah... Dagmar beat me to it.
21:38 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: http://imgur.com/CqoXGvR
21:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> gun*
21:38 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Buy a "guy"?
21:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> little late... but 'ehh'
21:39 <@Dagmar> MANY RACISM
21:39 <@oddball> Let's propose it to Bloomberg and see what he does!
21:40 < aestetix> http://privilegechecker.neocities.org/
21:40 <@Dagmar> Oh look.  Another stupid neocities site
21:40 <@oddball> I see the words "privilege" and "check," and it makes me want to punch someone.
21:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> 199
21:41 <@Dagmar> I am sorely tempted to actually fork that piece of shit
21:42 < aestetix> "As a black, intersex, gay, transgender, African, blind, retarded, immobile, deaf, unemployed and institutionalized Sikh dwarf, it tells me my privilege is -1080, with a score of -330%. "
21:42 <@Dagmar> The only things that matter there are income
21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
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21:42 <@oddball> aestetix: heh
21:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I should be +300% b/c I can put up with se2600
21:42 <@Dagmar> If you answer anything but Plutocrat in the US, it should say, "Sorry.  You down own a significant enough of anything to matter."
21:43 <@oddball> Dagmar: How dare you not judge someone by the color of their skin!  That's racist!
21:43 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOr_S6KUBgs&feature=youtu.be
21:44 <@Dagmar> We just need to label the term 'racist' the way we've labeled the term 'nigger'.
21:44 < aestetix> Uh.
21:44 < aestetix> Then people will just avoid saying "racist"
21:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> let southerns "take it back" ?
21:44 <@Dagmar> No one should be allowed to use it unless they're a sociologists.
21:45 <@Dagmar> Maybe that's the key
21:46 <@Dagmar> if a white person saying 'nigger' is automatically hate speech, then a black person saying 'racist' could fall under the same category.
21:46 <@Dagmar> Both are cases of special language that is treated differently based on who says the word
21:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone in San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, San Diego, Seattle, Denver, Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC, and New York.
21:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> other than aestetix in oakland
21:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> I can get you 60$ worth of free babysitting
21:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> and not notlarry kind of baby sitting, where he sits on your baby (if you are lucky)
21:57 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcCc9YRNhUU
21:57 < aestetix> better quality
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> alex jones warning
22:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> from his fucking channel, it could be a re-enactment
22:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> ho ho ho.... the cop who shot michael brown... didn't write an incident report
22:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you don't write anything down, you can't have it used against you
22:03 < aestetix> would he actually do that?
22:04 < aestetix> alex jones, that is
22:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> alex jones... he fucking lives off of conspiracy theories, etc
22:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> I wouldn't put him above 'creative' editing
22:09 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: what's the longest you've held in a poo before taking a dump?
22:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> correction
22:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> he lives off of selling iodine to people how listen to his crap
22:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> who(
22:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> who*
22:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh look... ANOTHER michael brown shooting witness that agrees with the rest
22:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> what we need is people to wear google-glass recorders, that constantly record everything, but longer than 60 seconds is always deleted unless you tell the recorder to save it
22:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> so if you see something unexpected , you can record it
22:29 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: the rest being?  I can't keep up.
22:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> the other witnesses
22:31 <@oddball> Who are agreeing with the cop or?
22:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> we don't know what the cop says
22:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c he hasn't said a word
22:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> likely the union lawyer got to him quick and told him to shut the fuck up, lol
22:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> all the 'witnesses' (not cop) seem to be in general agreement
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22:49 <@oddball> Well, yeah... that is one of those "lovely" things that cops get that we don't.  All the time in the world to figure out their story.  Also: they're name isn't broadcast all over the place the instant it happened.
22:49 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: So... all the witnesses are agreeing with the buddy that Brown was surrendering?
23:13 <@Dagmar> What I don't care for is the people who are fabricating shit
23:14 <@Dagmar> Like, some irresponsible liars are responsible fot that little indian guy's store being burned
23:15 <@Dagmar> Yes, despite the fact that the guy actually didn't have a problem with Brown that day, the "leak" to the press of the photos and claims that the store was robbed (since apparently people on the street knew something else) resulted in the guy's bodega being looted and burned
23:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RHswHbnow&feature=youtu.be&t=3m19s
23:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: The BEST Ice Bucket Challenges! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:16 <@Dagmar> I figure someone should be held accoutable for that fake police report shown on the web
23:16 <@Dagmar> Because for sure a box of Swisher Sweets does not cost $48
23:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> OMG... great idea...  nominate the cop who shot michael brown in Ferguson MO for ALS ice bucket challenge
23:24 <@Corydon76-home> Only if it's an ultra large bucket, and he's standing in a hole at the time
23:28 <@Dagmar> It would be terrible if the ice were replaced with chunks of broken glass
23:30 <@Corydon76-home> Or dry ice
23:32 <@Dagmar> Or chunks of potassium.
23:39 <@notlarry> That escalated quickly  If you know what I mean...
23:40 <@notlarry> My bad, I read that as phosphorus If you know what I mean...
23:42 <@notlarry> And since the other discussion of the day is about Ferguson I of course assumed "white" phosphorus.  If you know what I mean...
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