--- Log opened Mon Aug 18 00:00:22 2014
00:00 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: except that PhreakNIC wouldn't happen
00:00 <@Corydon76-home> I passed on some information that aestetix asked about.  Yes, someone has a list of talks.  No, I don't have access to the list, nor do I care to micromanage the process.
00:01 <@Corydon76-home> It's not my ball of wax, and I'm not going to insert myself into the process.  Y'all will see the talks as early as you ever have, the day of.
00:02 <@Corydon76-home> Hell, you could put up complete bullshit in the talks arena, and have completely different talks by the time PhreakNIC rolls around, and life will go on, and none of you will be worse for it.
00:03 <@Corydon76-home> and Bahhumbug, it doesn't matter what the talks are, because you aren't going to show up.  You aren't go to pay admission; you aren't going to see the talks; you're just going to sit on channel and bitch about a process that you have no investment in.
00:05 <@Bahhumbug> At this point you don't want me to show up.
00:05 <@Corydon76-home> And yeah, I'm a pedantic asshole, because I have to deal with the process, and then come on channel and listen to you bitch endlessly about things that aren't happening.
00:05 <@Bahhumbug> No, you're just getting your panties in a wad and getting defensive because you're associated with an abysmal failure.
00:05 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: At this point, I don't give a rat's ass whether you show up or not
00:06 <@Bahhumbug> Had you been smart you would have walked away.  You're not.  You didn't.
00:06 <@Corydon76-home> No, you know what was an abysmal failure?  PhreakNIC 14, the year I was president of the organization, and shit fell apart, because I suck at being president.
00:06 <@Bahhumbug> So if you don't want to hear me bitch I strongly suggest you learn how to use your client and its /ignore functionality.
00:06 <@Corydon76-home> This year is nothing like PhreakNIC 14.
00:06 <@Wilpig> 14 was nowhere near as bad as 13
00:07 <@Wilpig> 14 was just crippled by the shitshow that was 13
00:08 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, 13 was pretty bad
00:09 <@Corydon76-home> But I'm going to own up to the fact that 14 sucked, because I basically wrestled control away from a control freak, who then took his toys and sulked in the corner
00:09 <@Wilpig> considering that 14 had skydick actively at the hotel telling everyone it was dead etc.  it really set the stage for much failure
00:11 <@Corydon76-home> Right now, we're at a stage in PhreakNIC's history that we've pretty much hit rock bottom, and there's only two places we can go:  out of business, or up.  I think we're going up, and we'll see, come the end of October.  I know shit hasn't occurred the way we'd all like, but then, it never has.
00:12 <@Corydon76-home> There's one really good thing about Skydick leaving, and that is that he took all the immature trolls with him
00:13 <@Wilpig> fuck you, I stayed
00:13 <@Corydon76-home> lol
00:14 <@Wilpig> and now i'm leaving. well going to sleep.  same thing
00:14 <@Corydon76-home> Okay, the immature destructive trolls
00:14 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, same here
00:18 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: PhreakNIC isn't a failure because it hasn't happened yet.
00:19 < aestetix> Now, if we pass the date and it still hasn't happened, then you can say that.
00:20 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, it'll happen on the dates provided.  Whether people show up, whether we have lots of good talks, whether shit comes down the pike... those are all questions that have yet to be decided.
00:20 < aestetix> Sure.
00:20 < aestetix> What I was getting at is that "failure" is not a judgement you can pass until after it happens.
00:21 < aestetix> Sounds like PN just needs a good leader.
00:22 <@Corydon76-home> I think you mean an attentive leader.  It has a good leader.
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> In order to be a good leader you have to be attentive to details and to those around you.  So I think we can just knock that one down right here and now.
00:26 <@Corydon76-home> You're not around.  So I guess that disqualifies you from being a good leader.
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> I am not the one that people are depending on to get the ball rolling in the right direction.  So you can try to deflect and turn things around all you want if that is your wish.
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> Everything is excuses.  And most of that is because he isn't able to delegate and get stuff farmed out to people that have a reasonable chance of doing things in a timely manner.
00:29 <@Corydon76-home> Also, since you're not around, there's no reason for him to be attentive to you.  So your lack of observation means nothing.
00:30 <@Bahhumbug> So as far as I am concerned, your claims that he's a good leader are just more noise.
00:30 <@Bahhumbug> Did I saw he had to be attentive to me?  No, I didn't.
00:30 <@Bahhumbug> Why don't you go take your meds.  You're much less of an asshole when you do.
00:30 < aestetix> vagina
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00:30 < Bahhumbug> You also seem to be able to think clearer.
00:31 < Bahhumbug> Oh no!
00:31 < Bahhumbug> Truth hurt?
00:31 < Bahhumbug> Here, have a tissue.
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00:31 < aestetix> That tissue has dried cum on it
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00:33 < PandorasBox> And you're still a fucking idiot.
00:33 < PandorasBox> have fun with that.
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00:48 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551
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01:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> sleeping away the day,... like 15hrs... to fight a cold... let me skip all that bs earlier... and felt so good, lol
01:57 <@Dagmar> If we could make an effort to keep all the butthurt to a minimum, that would be cool.
01:57 <@Dagmar> Recriminations aren't progress
01:59 <@Dagmar> I seem to have some free time now so I'll be making some calls this week, probably logging into things, moving some data around.
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just feel bad that the two officers who can make decisions, never come in here, and the two who can't really, are the only ones who do come in here, which means that communication is fucking boned, which has been the root problem this entire time
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> pope-y stopped coming in here when crazypants was convinced to stop coming in here and causing drama
02:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> :/
02:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UsAB9EfwI
02:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: World of Warcraft Subscription Costs Increasing in UK - GS News Update - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> wonder if US is going to go up too
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> hmm... looks like ~17$/mo, but still that kinda sucks for them
02:07 <@Dagmar> Can't pay attention to the talking because the video is so awesome
02:07 <@Dagmar> ;)
02:08 <@Dagmar> I did catch that if you're doing a recurring sub your rate won't change for two more years
02:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol, yeah
02:14 < aestetix> I just discovered the show Cafish
02:14 < aestetix> Catfish
02:14 < aestetix> Fascinating concept.
02:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> by then they will have Kings of Koalas expansion, the Broodwars of Bovine expansion, and MountsMakeMoney expansion
02:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:15 <@Dagmar> Actually we'll probably start seeing the transition to World of Starcraft
02:15 <@Dagmar> BECAUSE DRANEI ARE FUCKING PROTOSS
02:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i wondered
02:16 <@Dagmar> THey are.
02:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> i watched the intro video
02:16 <@Dagmar> They totally are.
02:16 <@Dagmar> THey just haven't evolved that much yet
02:16 <@Dagmar> Everyone else is working with stone and metals and riding fucking animals.
02:17 <@Dagmar> The Dranei?  Crashing giant-ass spacechips with enigmatic trans-dimensional crystalline entities on ride-along.
02:17 <@Dagmar> Not exactly the alien super-power of the Starcraft times, but still leaps and bounds ahead of say, Gnomish technology
02:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:20 <@Dagmar> I figure the reason there's no goblins or gnomes in Starcraft is rather self-explanatory.
02:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> I wonder if warcraft is just one of the starcraft planets then
02:20 <@Dagmar> ...and the gnomes probably took the dwarves with them.
02:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> or final act in WoW is zerg
02:21 <@Dagmar> That's what the players evolved into.  ;)
02:21 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho.  It's no wonder the gnomes dance is so dirty.
02:22 <@Dagmar> They have to have a really short breeding cycle to compensate for the fact that they don't seem to be very bothered by "rapid exothermic disassembly"
02:22 <@Dagmar> What was it I was saying about them before... Goblins are into making weapons that generally work, but sometimes blow you up too
02:23 <@Dagmar> Gnomes are into making devices that generally work, and are sometimes weapons, and who they blow up is more or less random.
02:23 <@Dagmar> There's a whole lot more "unexpected" explosions on both sides of that coin.
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> what bothers me is... we'll get warcraft 4 now
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c it'll have to incorporate all of wow's history into it
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> or be a retelling of all the major events
02:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> cataclysm, etc
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> we wont get*
02:28 < aestetix> speaking of warcraft
02:28 < aestetix> oh boy ferguson
02:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> the videos on the site you gave me wouldn't play for some reason
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok... nvm... caught up...
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... thats fucked up
02:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix: The autopsy alone is going to be hard to bury
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> DOJ having a federal autopsy is going to be big
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh fuck.. it got released
02:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> 6 shots to front, including to head
02:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> now, if they can prove his hands were up... omg
02:34 < aestetix> you know
02:34 < aestetix> they can tell which gun fired the shots
02:34 < aestetix> I'd be interested to know if they all came from the same gun
02:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> 6 shots, i'm sure they are
02:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c if it was multi-cop shooting it would be like 30~60 shots
02:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> " All bullets were fired into his front, the examiner concluded."
02:38 < aestetix> wait
02:38 < aestetix> I thought he was running away
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently he got ~35ft away, and then turned around
02:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> THEN got executed, if this is all true
02:40 < aestetix> why would he turn away?
02:40 < aestetix> turn around
02:40 < aestetix> I'd be like "fuck this shit I'm getting away"
02:40 <@Dagmar> Cuz he took a round
02:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> the one account is that he got shot from within the car once
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> then ran away, and when he realized he was shot he turned around
02:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c the way they are describing it, he was shot in the arm mostly, except the shots to the head
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop>  what I would like to see, is if they could tell body position when he was shot, like...arms up...
02:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> might be hard if no shots to chest
02:44 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-family-autopsy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
02:44 < aestetix> based on that photo
02:44 < aestetix> it looks like he was shot WHILE his hands were in the air
02:44 < aestetix> er, picture, not photo
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> same thing, lol
02:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless you're a purist photographer, lol
02:46 <@Dagmar> ...and what'll put a dampener on this stuff is cops wearing cameras.
02:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
02:46 <@Dagmar> You get into a problem while your camera is "malfunctioning"?  FIRED.
02:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> suvalliance (spelled right AFAIK) is going to be required now
02:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> cameras ON the cops
02:47 <@Dagmar> If we're going to let them casually use lethal force, then there should be more than the usual levels (i.e., next to none) unbiased oversight
02:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> i 'get' that when police are encountering people, can be at their worst... but if I was sliced up by someone... I'd want all the evidence of how bad it was, how horrible I looked
02:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> would lead to a better conviction, or perhaps my dying words could name the killer...
02:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> cra...zy...pan...ts
02:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry... You'd think I was british with my dark humor at inappropriate time, lol
02:52 <@Dagmar> We could just check for rabies in the wounds
02:52 <@Dagmar> I made some people on FB very happy today
02:53 <@Dagmar> They scounged up some VHS tape from "Kinetik", one of the WRVU benefit raves, but no one had a copy of the flier
02:53 <@Dagmar> They manaegd to scrounge up a picture of the flyer
02:53 <@Dagmar> I scanned the fucker at 600dpi.
02:53 <@Dagmar> ...because i've got two bloody shoeboxes full of rave flyers.
02:54 <@Dagmar> Eventually I'll get them all mounted on picture thingies in poster frames
02:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:55 <@Dagmar> At least they know who to ask now if they need more
02:55 <@Dagmar> There's like 5 notable parties I don't still have flyers fo
02:55 <@Dagmar> r
02:56 <@Dagmar> I'd completely forgotten we got Robbie Hardkiss to headline that
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
03:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO and Police Militarization (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
03:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> i wondered if he was going to touch upon this
03:32 < aestetix> Dagmar: are there raves in TN anymore?
03:32 < aestetix> Or are all your flyers from 20 years ago
03:34 < aestetix> aand now the national guard has been called in
03:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> video?
03:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> this is the only time i wish i had cable
03:50 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: CNN
03:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> god... this is such a fucking shit storm
04:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.livenewschat.eu/breaking/ apparently CNN is streamed too
04:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Breaking News | LNC Live News Cloud Stream (at www.livenewschat.eu)
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04:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> no... the fucking curfew didn't lead to tonights violence, it just added pressure, the fucking autopsy is what caused this
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04:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> what I'm worried about... is that they haven't eve _started_ to see 'riots' yet
04:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> just some minor looting
05:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VfFekUCn0c
05:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: LIVE: Julian Assange Ecuadorian Embassy Exit - Truthloader - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
05:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> bbc and others reporting that he said he will leave 'soon'
05:57  * aestetix nods
05:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> metro PD officer just said ~min 25, that the embassy said nothing else is happening 'today'
05:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> so another 'hurry up and wait'
06:00 < aestetix> wait you're not calling Assange an attention whore are you?
06:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> so i got 50/50 odds a google founder will buy a NBA team, and steal all the clippers talent, so steve ballmer can throw chairs THERE now
06:04 < RangerZ|Laptop>  personally I just want him to wait out the statute of limitations, then go back there
06:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
06:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> Assange is one of those "i think he's a fucking dick, but he's write more often than twice a day" type of people
06:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> so he's doing better than a broken clock... but 'ehh'
06:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> also.. I like how Obama had to 'figure out a reason' why attacking ISI(S|L) in Iraq, had to reflect 'protection of the US embassy' lol
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07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: NY govt is auto-deleting emails after 90 days
07:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> to "improving email management"
07:50 < aestetix> penis
07:55 <@Wilpig> penny arcade is on topic for ny and email management.  http://penny-arcade.com/comic
07:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Penny Arcade - Mr. Popularity (at penny-arcade.com)
08:00 < aestetix> http://www.livestream.com/cancilleriaecua/video?clipId=pla_9b995237-4705-4f75-bd23-fbdeb09c8b94
08:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: how the fuck do you find every random ass video site that doesn't work on my laptop
08:31 < RangerZ> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11039528/Julian-Assange-suffering-heart-condition-after-two-year-embassy-confinement-it-is-claimed.html
08:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Julian Assange suffering heart condition after two-year embassy confinement, it is claimed - Telegraph (at www.telegraph.co.uk)
08:31 < RangerZ> that would explain it, if true
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10:32 <@Dolemite> RangerZ|Laptop: You gonna make it up to GeekNIC?
10:34 < aestetix> god I would kill for a rainy day
10:35 <@Dolemite> We've had several this week in TN
10:36 < aestetix> I hate you.
10:36 < aestetix> CA is in a massive drought.
10:37 < aestetix> And we're having one of the hottest summers on record.
10:37 < aestetix> Which sucks because I love rainy days.
10:37 < aestetix> Well, if I'm inside.
10:39 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: California is a massive desert, temporarily converted with irrigation.
10:40 < aestetix> Yeah, but even deserts get rain from time to time.
10:40 < aestetix> I say this having once spent a weekend in Vegas (DefCon) where it rained the entire time.
10:40 <@Corydon76-home> http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/27/opinion/la-oe-0325-graham-drought-australia--water-market-20140328
10:40 < aestetix> I also tend to stay up all night, partly to be awake in case there's a server issue. Having rain and overcast makes that easier.
10:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dolemite: I honestly have no clue, I'm going to look into planning for it, but I might have to travel for a conference or something
10:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: blackout curtains
10:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> Q.E.D.
10:43 <@Dolemite> RangerZ|Laptop: Well you know about it.  There's a web page with info if you are interested, though Wilbur hasn't added my scavenger hunt information for Saturday night, yet.
10:43 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: is that how you do it? :)
10:43 <@Dolemite> Not that I've given him more than the name of it
10:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> damn skippy
10:44 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2dv9pr/college_textbook_prices_vs_average_consumer/
10:44 < aestetix> ugh
10:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> I worked midnights for a year or so, and since then I've never liked natural light in my bedroom
10:44 < aestetix> This dramam makes me so happy I said "fuck off" to school
10:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> its not really 'that' bad
10:45 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: I also just don't like school, period.
10:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c most of books you are going to buy for your major are _actually useful_
10:45 < aestetix> Let me rephrase. I don't like taking orders.
10:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... if you major in a real degree, like STEM
10:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
10:45 < aestetix> Thus I would also hate the military.
10:45 < aestetix> Fuck you.
10:46 < aestetix> If we had more philosophy/english majors, we wouldn't be nearly as fucked.
10:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> we have plenty
10:46 < aestetix> STEM majors suck at things like nuance and subtlety.
10:46 < aestetix> Hmm.
10:46 < aestetix> Maybe if we had fewer idiots.
10:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> ^
10:46 < aestetix> Thanks NCLB
10:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> I know several people with English degrees
10:46 < aestetix> Although I do resent Obama making the push for STEM, while ignoring English majors.
10:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> they work at everything other than English degree-type jobs
10:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> we have a gut of STEM majors already
10:47 < aestetix> What is your idea of an english degree type job?
10:47 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Editors, writers, and teachers
10:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> publishing/editing/etc
10:47 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: shush, I was getting there
10:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> ok
10:48 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: I don't think anyone can decry the death of journalism and this sham excuse we have for media, while at the same time mocking english degrees.
10:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> my friend has an english degree from Berkeley , and she was making 45k/yr in san fran
10:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> working at one of the MAJOR book publishers
10:48 < scoob> aestetix, do you think the state of media is due to a lack of ability?
10:49 < aestetix> scoob: partly.
10:49 <@Corydon76-home> The death of journalism has everything to do with journalists lying down for corporate concerns and nothing to do with the lack of English majors
10:49 < scoob> ^^^
10:49 < scoob> my view
10:49 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: that's the other part.
10:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> the state of media is due to de-regulation mostly, and secondly ... journalists making shit money
10:49 < aestetix> scoob: that's mainstream media though.
10:49 < aestetix> What about the shit you see on twitter and tumblr
10:49 <@Corydon76-home> When people cannot trust the journalists to stand up for what is right, there's no reason to subscribe to journalists' publications
10:50 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: yep.
10:50 <@Corydon76-home> If we wanted to hear what's best for a corporation, we need only read a PR feed
10:50 < aestetix> Honestly I'd kill for a service like Netflix that let me subscribe to a bunch of newspapers
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> journalists have always made so little, but now because of 'new media' etc... they are so easily replaced, b/c the pure # of newspaper jobs, etc... are just a small fraction of what they were before the internet, etc
10:51 < aestetix> Especially if the journalists I read a lot got compensated accordingly
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: google news
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> nvm
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
10:51 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: that's a killer idea.  Why don't you get together a team in SV and build it
10:51 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: because it probably already exists.
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> it does
10:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorta
10:51 < aestetix> And if it doesn't, there is probably a reason.
10:52 <@Corydon76-home> Only the pure news stories, not the analysis
10:52 < aestetix> Like.... you know, the reason the TV show you're watching on netflix suddenly disappears.
10:52 <@Corydon76-home> If they're fine with paying for the analysis with ads... but then, ads are the reason we're in this mess to begin with
10:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> guardian in UK, and the new independent media that the reporters of snowdens leaks (can't think of his name offhand) have made one
10:52 < aestetix> The Intercept?
10:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> ssure
10:53 <@Corydon76-home> If you're not allowed to offend your advertisers, then all someone needs to do to avoid accountability is to buy some ads
10:53 < aestetix> But uh
10:53 < aestetix> I've been reading/watching a lot of stuff from the 80s lately
10:53 < aestetix> Because the political commentary was SO much better then.
10:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: the reason shows are disapearing from netflix is b/c netflix is giong to die within a few years... (or could have if it didn't get house of cards, etc)  b/c the major studios do NOT want netflix to exist
10:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they feel they lost control
10:54 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: the problem is less that the good commentary isn't there.  The problem is weeding out the good from the bad
10:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> and 'someone else is making money', so therefore 'they must be losing money'
10:54 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: so major studios are killing netflix, their one beacon of hope, because they don't want the internet to exist period?
10:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> prettymuch
10:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: sure, it's a signal/noise issue.
10:55 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: well, there's also the fact that everyone these days seems to think disagreement is paramount to a personal attack
10:55 < aestetix> And response accordingly.
10:55 < scoob> aestetix, no they don't
10:55 <@Corydon76-home> Mother Jones has some good commentary.  Now, if they could only get rid of the bullshit about GMOs, they'd be onto something
10:56 < aestetix> scoob: maybe it's just in the bay area, then.
10:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> GMOs are still a political issue
10:56 < scoob> aestetix, nah, was just hoping to provoke a reaction by disagreeing
10:56 < aestetix> I can't have a reasonable conversation with fucking anyone around here.
10:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I'd like to see some science on them from non-Monsanto owned think tanks, researchers, etc
10:56 < scoob> sorry =p
10:56 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: one of the biggest problems that we face in this country is that the Tea Party thinks the US is a democracy, instead of thinking it's a republic.
10:56 < aestetix> scoob: why don't you go finish jerking off Shaggy
10:56 < scoob> ty
10:57 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: don't get me started on that.
10:57 < aestetix> Like the people who think we need to abolish the electoral college without bothering to ask what it does.
10:57 <@Corydon76-home> Thus, we have Tea Partiers in the House, who vote according to their personal philosphy, instead of voting based upon representing their constituents
10:57 < aestetix> And it's not helped by the fact that people complain about stuff on twitter instead of calling their reps and complaining to them.
10:57 <@Corydon76-home> THAT is the problem.
10:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> it is a democracy in many states, which is why CALI has so many problems, not b/c of the ballot initiative, but b/c it ONLY takes 50% to pass something to 'spend' money, but 2/3rds(or is it 60%) to raise money for the spending, lol
10:58 < aestetix> I spent a bit of time during the SOPA stuff emailing EFF links to an aid in Barbara Lee's office. They were cluelness on the matter.
10:59 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: that'll be fixed when we split into 9 states.
10:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: http://www.wolf-pac.com/ and https://mayday.us/
10:59 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wolf PAC (at www.wolf-pac.com)
10:59 < aestetix> Is that Lessig's thing?
10:59 < aestetix> I think I donated to it
10:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> one is
10:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> mayday is
10:59 < aestetix> yeah
11:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> wolf-pac has 2 states CA and NH that have passed calls for a constitutional convention, which I think will start getting more support soon, b/c all you have to do is go say "boo... george sorros" like you said the boogie man... and Republicans decide they don't want billionaires in their local/state gov't... Then when ~60% of the states have passed resolutions calling for the convention... the congress will pass their own version, b/c they don't wan
11:02 < aestetix> I'm totally fine with billionaries living in my state.
11:02 < aestetix> I just wish they'd pay reasonable taxes like everyone else.
11:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> they can 'live' but BUY your election?
11:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> like they are now?
11:03 < aestetix> That's a campaign finance reform issue.
11:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes...
11:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> and if you reform campaign finance...
11:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'll eventually get real people running for congress
11:03 < aestetix> Although if they live, the way Cheney 'lived' in Texas during 2000, then they can go fuck themselves.
11:03 < aestetix> er wait
11:03 < aestetix> in Wymoning
11:04 < aestetix> He actually lived in Texas, but claimed to live in Wyoming because of the law
11:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> NH's state legislators only pay 250$ to register as a candidate, and the rest of their campaign is paid for by tax payers
11:04 < aestetix> I'm ok totally funding a candidates campaign, as long as all candidates get the same amount of money.
11:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
11:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> and no outside donations
11:05 < aestetix> right
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> doesn't stop ads by PACs
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you say corp. are NOT people
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> and they can't have hidden donations, etc
11:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> you stop a LOT of it
11:05 < aestetix> yep
11:06 < aestetix> However, I think that's supposed to be socialist or something
11:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope
11:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> works in several states
11:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> and no one is going to say NH is socialist
11:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:07 < aestetix> Is Bernie Sanders from there? I can't remember
11:07 < aestetix> or is he vermont
11:07 <@Corydon76-home> Perhaps the regulations should state that only LIVING people may donate to candidate campaigns
11:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> either really, both are basically 'little islands of cities' and then great rolling hills of country woods, where serial killer movies are filmed
11:08 < aestetix> haha
11:08 <@Corydon76-home> That would also prevent an estate from doing so
11:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> "Corporations are not people. They have none of the Constitutional rights of human beings. Corporations are not allowed to give money to any politician, directly or indirectly. No politician can raise over $100 from any person or entity. All elections must be publicly financed."
11:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> is the proposed 28th from wolf-pac
11:09 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: that's actually rather dangerous, because corporations do need freedom of the press
11:09 <@Corydon76-home> Otherwise, all newspapers could be shut down
11:09 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: which is precisely why Citizens United was such a tricky case
11:09 < aestetix> scoob: did Shaggy finish yet?
11:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> perhaps, I honestly am not sure about 'that' part, b/c I would like to sit down with a few constitutional law scholars and talk through these
11:10 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: email Ann Coulter
11:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, I'm not THAT big of a masochist
11:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> or sadist, b/c of what I'd do to her
11:12 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: I'd prefer two clauses:  1) the rights of natural persons shall always be supreme to the rights of other entities.  2) Congress shall have the power to regulate contributions to political campaigns.
11:13 <@Corydon76-home> The courts may still permit corporations to have rights, but as soon as they come into conflict with natural persons, the corporation loses
11:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'conflict' ?
11:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> such as contracts?
11:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> would that mean you could never sign a contract beween a person and corp?
11:14 <@Corydon76-home> No, you may, as long as the contract wouldn't seek to limit the rights of that natural person
11:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually... I'm thinking of starting a corporation, and turning my education into a corp. asset, then having IT pay off my loans, and 'it' owning my income above min. wage
11:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> that way it is an offshore asset
11:15 <@Corydon76-home> That notion of accounting is beyond me
11:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> and as long as I never re-repatriate the funds, its tax free
11:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> its completely illogical
11:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> but might actually be legal
11:16 <@Corydon76-home> In order to spend the funds, though, you'd have to repatriate the funds
11:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> someone made a joke article online about it, but then lawyers realized it wasn't as much of a joke as it sounded
11:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes, but if I keep some % of them out there, then I could lower MY income tax each year
11:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I could invest in 'property' less than 5k, and bring it into the country without declaring it...
11:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> or something like that
11:18 <@Corydon76-home> It's plausible, but it would complicate your life in various ways
11:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh i'm sure
11:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> first of all, how to get a univ. to pay my corp, instead of me
11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:19 <@Corydon76-home> A corporation can be paid by another corporation for work, but any funds coming to you, you'd have to manage the payroll taxes yourself
11:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you had a small business, you could probably do this a lot easier than  you could otherwise
11:19 < oddball_> I was thinking that the IRS considers a business that only employs one person and fails to make a profit after x number of years to be a hobby.
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11:20 <@Corydon76-home> Basically, the only reason more people don't do it now is that the accountant fees would eat up any savings you might otherwise create
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11:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, but software, lol
11:20 <@Corydon76-home> The software isn't generic enough to be cost-effective
11:20 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: That, and people, on the whole, are honest?
11:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> j/k, obviously, but yeah, its not worth it, unless you are making 100k+/yr, and you can hire an accountant for less than 5k
11:21 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: when it comes to federal taxes?  Hardly.
11:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> and even then, its likely cost effective unless you do it 'just' right
11:21 <@Corydon76-home> People only pay taxes today because it's less complicated to just do that.
11:22 < aestetix> oh wow
11:22 < aestetix> I just saw the best backronym ever
11:22 <@oddball> Well, from what I understand, RangerZ|Laptop is discribing basically a way to dodge school debts.
11:22 < aestetix> RAPE - religion abortion politics environment.
11:22 <@Corydon76-home> But if you had enough income, I'm sure people would do that
11:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: no, I'd pay them off, but it would lower my income tax each year,
11:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then it would give me the 'rights' that corps have over citizens
11:22 <@oddball> ah, ok.  Misunderstood.
11:23 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: wanna talk about RAPE?
11:23 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: fair point.  RangerZ|Laptop would need to have the debtee agree to the transfer of the debt to a corporation
11:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, this i _have_ looked into
11:24 <@oddball> I thought you were talking about creating a corp. to incure the debt, and then have the corp. disolved afterwards.
11:24 <@Corydon76-home> You know, the biggest thing the government could do to alleviate the debt burden on the economy?  Allow people to pay debts with pretax income.
11:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c i looked into setting up a trust fund for my cousin's education
11:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> ANYONE can pay off your debt for you
11:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> banks don't care
11:25 <@Corydon76-home> Right, but banks treat a transfer of debt to be equivalent to making an entirely new loan, then using the loan money to pay off a previous note
11:26 < aestetix> https://www.facebook.com/FergusonFlorissantSchoolDistrict?hc_location=timeline
11:26 < aestetix> Nice
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you wouldn't have to do that
11:26 < aestetix> Ferguson has suspended all schools for today
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can just have the corp make the payments on your behalf
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> companies pay for employee education all the time
11:26 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: Paying off the loan and the bank holding them responsible are two different things.
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
11:26 < aestetix> Oh wow. It was the first day back.
11:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> i never said 'hold the corp. responsible for my loans'
11:27 <@oddball> 'k
11:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: actually delayed first day back, thur was suppose to be
11:27 < aestetix> I wonder if people will start to riot because schools are closed
11:28  * oddball still can't believe how early schools are starting this year.  Nashville metro has already been back for over a week.
11:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: b/c they need to build in extra 'wtf weather' days
11:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> but climate is NOT changing
11:28 < aestetix> It's kind of amazing how badly managed this situation is on so many levels
11:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> just ask the 7th grade science books from the TX publishers
11:29 <@oddball> RangerZ|Laptop: They're trying to sneak their way to being year round without calling it year round.
11:30 <@oddball> They've added a fall break, etc as well.  I don't think there's a significant difference in the number of planned days as there were the past couple years.
11:31 < aestetix> It's tempting to create a fake twitter account and post that the Ferguson elementary schools are being looted
11:33 <@oddball> Although, I think this past year was the first year I can think of that Metro Nashville called off school simply because it was cold and they were afraid kids would freeze to death waiting on the bus.
11:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: thats great news, b/c year round is what we need
11:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> some really interesting studies on how the biggest difference between the richer and poorer students at the same school is that the poorer the student is, the more likely they are to forget things the longer a break is, whereas richer students aren't b/c they have the funds for summer activities that enrich
11:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> plus 3x 1month long breaks throughout the year would be better for everyone, plus you would get more days overall to teach
11:49 <@Wilpig> we dont' teach anymore though.  it's babysitting
11:49 <@Wilpig> the point at which parents started focusing blame for their children's poor performance on the teachers it was over
11:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> well since we treat teachers as the key to our future, and put them up on pedestals I don't understand wy
11:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> why*
11:50 <@Wilpig> granted i'm sure there are cases of teachers are horrible and they shouldn't be in the profession but you're gonna find that in every field and should be the exception not the rule
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> the ONLY reason we have tenure in the US is b/c early 1900s they couldn't find people (suckers) stupid enough to go into teaching, b/c they paid so little
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they saw that germany has good teachers and pays them little
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> but they had tenure
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> so we implemented tenure to keep wages of teachers low
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> get rid of tenure all youw ant
11:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> but pay 100k/yr to entry level teachers
11:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> with 2% min. raise ontop of inflation cost of living adjustment
11:52 <@oddball> Except I don't believe that K-12s have tenure.
11:52 <@Wilpig> ^ that's what i was about to say
11:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> they do
11:52 <@Wilpig> tenure is a collegiate thing, i thought
11:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope
11:52 <@oddball> NOt the schools I've worked with.
11:52 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: they definitely did have tenure where I was growing up, in Pennsylvania
11:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> same in OHIO
11:53 <@Corydon76-home> But Pennsylvania is also not an "at-will" state, unlike most of the South
11:53 <@Wilpig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenure_%28academic%29
11:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tenure (academic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
11:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> even TN has tenure
11:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 'at will' allows you to kill it
11:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 'ehh'
11:54 <@Wilpig> I'm not saying that k-12 can't, but I never experienced it growing up until I hit the university level
11:54 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: I think the union contract overrides 'at-will'
11:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> Wilpig: i'm sorry you went to crappy schools until college
11:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:55 <@Wilpig> my high school was one of the best in the state. :-/
11:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> of ky?
11:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> why were you stupid enough to move to nashville then?
11:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
11:56 <@Wilpig> I'd pit it against most states
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> Wilpig: did they teach both banjo AND fiddle?
11:56 <@Wilpig> we had a rich benefactor that made sure the school had all the extras
11:57 < aestetix> Oh no!
11:57 < aestetix> AWS updated their design to be that shitty mobile design pattern
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12:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> just accept that you're wrong, and everyone who is a web 2.0 guru is right
12:08 < aestetix> And if they aren't right, they at least make more money than you
12:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
12:10 < aestetix> http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/18/technology/security/hospital-chs-hack/index.html
12:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I make crap money as a grad student
12:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I'm not concerned about making the most money possible, otherwise I would have already gone to FB, google, MS, etc
12:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> but i wouldn't be stupid enough to move out to SF, b/c CoL is stupid out there :/
12:19 < aestetix> It wasn't as bad when I moved here.
12:19 < aestetix> It's horrible now.
12:19 < aestetix> But that's why I'm looking at moving to Germany.
12:21 < aestetix> Please tell me this startup isn't targeted at the rich: http://www.vatler.com/
12:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> of course
12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIyJn4Xv4ag
12:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Can You Guess The Fastest Growing Chains in America? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> you either target rich or poor
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> but if you consider it, its not worth bill gate's time to pick up a 100$ bill if it falls out of his wallet
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> its not worth a lot of people's time to park their own car
12:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c in SF and FFS in Nashville, it can take forever to find a parking spot sometimes
12:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think thats going to be the first real use of 'self-parking cars' is going to be
12:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> car drops you off at the front door, then goes and parks itself
12:35 < aestetix> You know, SF does have a subway and a bus system
12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> i know
12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> doesn't mean people don't want to drive there
12:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> also... National Guard... yep
12:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> that'll "settle things down"
12:42 < aestetix> Ok, who wants a technical issue to help troubleshoot
12:45 <@shapr> HOWDY
12:45  * shapr hops randomly
12:45 <@shapr> aestetix: VAINA
12:45  * shapr hugs Shadow404
12:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: your poor arms
12:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> all that petroleum gel all of them now
12:58 < aestetix> figured it out
13:00 < aestetix> Shadow404: would you like to answer a few questions about butt play?
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13:03 < aestetix> SuMo_D: shouldn't you be in school?
13:04 <@SuMo_D> no
13:04 <@SuMo_D> I teach in an afterschool program
13:04 <@SuMo_D> indy biotch
13:05 < aestetix> I'm curious how many people actually make chef/puppet work the way it's supposed to, and how many shoestring it together with hacks to make it do what they want
13:05 < aestetix> because it's kind of a piece of shit
13:08 <@shapr> hcks
13:11 < aestetix> fucking millennials
13:11 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/17/fashion/the-millennials-are-generation-nice.html
13:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone know how to get a virtuabox VM to bridge onto a wireless network that requires auth
13:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: puppet and chef are fine, and great for having a SCM definition of a VM instance
13:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I wouldn't recommend using them for administration, as I've heard a lot of people try to do
13:13 < aestetix> man
13:13 < aestetix> http://gawker.com/kill-all-millenials-1623279734
13:13 < aestetix> the comments
13:14 < aestetix> All the millennials ragging about the boomers.
13:14 < aestetix> I wonder if you rewinded to the 1960s, if you would see the same thing
13:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep
13:15 < aestetix> Although I doubt the kids of the 1960s had helicopter parents
13:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> every generation complains about the one before and after it
13:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> and boomers ended in 63
13:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 'boomers' are 45 to 50s mainly
13:16 < aestetix> Did the boomers have helicopter parents?
13:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> not at all
13:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> they barely were parented at all
13:17 < scoob> and look at how well they turned out
13:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> boomers got lucky b/c of timing of birth, nothing more nothing less
13:17 < aestetix> well if I had to choose
13:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> and we're fucked, b/c of our birth timings
13:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'd want less oversight
13:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> but thats only b/c you are an adult now
13:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> and *hate authority*
13:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
13:19 < aestetix> I would pick a boomer now over a millennial now
13:20 < aestetix> Whether I would pick a boomer in the 60s over a millennial now is another story
13:20 < aestetix> Although they at least did some cool shit
13:20 < aestetix> As opposed to being completely useless
13:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> leave soaking your brain in LSD out of htis
13:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> this*
13:21 < aestetix> *toots horn* ser-a-ton-in, ser-a-ton-in, dope-a-mine, dope-a-mine....
13:25 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: millennials seem to be completely incapable of thinking more deeply than is necessary to snap an instagram photo
13:26 < aestetix> I was going to say "make a tweet" but that's actually too nice
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> but every generation thinks that
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> ours is a bit more 'special case'
13:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> but any 30+ year old, is going to hate 20 year old behavior
13:27 <@shapr> I disagree
13:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless they are immature, or wanting to sleep with that 20 y/o
13:27 <@shapr> but I'm a 40+ year old
13:27 <@shapr> I hang out with people of all ages
13:27 <@shapr> people are just different from each other
13:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: you're also immature, see you hug Shadow404
13:27 <@shapr> psh
13:27 < aestetix> Shadow404 is also a special case
13:28 <@shapr> I'm mentally flexible.
13:28 <@shapr> "Since my early twenties, I've looked at my older peers and tried to figure out why some stagnate and how others stay vibrant. The answer is comfort. Comfort breeds technical fossilization."
13:28 <@shapr> from http://matt.might.net/articles/programmers-resolutions/
13:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: 12 resolutions for programmers (at matt.might.net)
13:28 < aestetix> well
13:29 < aestetix> shapr: do you find millennials tolerable?
13:29 <@shapr> some of them, sure
13:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just think aestetix is surrounded by "SF people"
13:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> and think that means all millenials
13:30 < aestetix> that could be
13:30 < aestetix> so I got lucky because the bay area is a magnet for shallow millennials?
13:30 < aestetix> I mean think about it
13:31 <@shapr> everyone knows or understands something I would be happy to know if I already knew it.
13:31 < aestetix> In all these neighborhoods, rich startup kids are moving into expensive apartments
13:31 <@shapr> So I like talking to people to try to learn that thing from them.
13:31 < aestetix> and the primary type of business that's opening up are expensive restaurants
13:31 < aestetix> because their startup jobs handle all their laundry+food+etc in order to keep them working nonstop
13:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> so?
13:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> if people are happy
13:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> why care
13:32 < aestetix> Because all the other shops that were around wind up closing because they can't afford rent
13:33 < aestetix> So eventually you have a very homogenous community
13:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> *shrugs*
13:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> not your personal problem
13:33 < aestetix> In the meantime, for those who do NOT earn a massive income (like me), the cost of living becomes intolerable
13:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless it impacts your pay
13:34 < aestetix> Well the other issue is
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> well then, you get to complain, if it impacts your rent
13:34 < aestetix> All my artist friends have had to either move away or get tech jobs
13:34 < aestetix> Which means they no longer make art
13:34 < aestetix> And also means that either they are working all the time, or going to things that are stupid expensive
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> well that has nothing to do with tech or STEM or anything
13:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats SF
13:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're just describing issues with SF
13:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> go get a tech job in a state capitol
13:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> and you're fine
13:36 < aestetix> this is compounded by the fact that everywhere you go, you see 22 year olds walking down the streets playing with their iPhones
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> Columbus, cleveland, pittsburg, cincinattti, nashville, atlanta, any of them will provide you a better cost of living:pay ratio than SF
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking emotes
13:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> living : pay ratio*
13:39 < aestetix> anywhere in the world, honestly
13:39 < aestetix> it's more expensive to live here than NYC now
13:39 < aestetix> the only place that might have us beat is London
13:39 <@shapr> doesn't surprise me
13:39 <@shapr> SF is *expensive*
13:39 <@shapr> though I'm still tempted to move there...
13:39 <@shapr> just for the shiggles
13:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> shapr: not worth it
13:39 <@shapr> why not?
13:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> just wait for the next crash
13:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> at most 10 years
13:40 < aestetix> not worth it
13:40 <@shapr> yeah, but I want to move somewhere else *soon*
13:40 <@shapr> like, in the next few years
13:40 < aestetix> shapr: move to berlin
13:40 <@shapr> I could move back to Boston, but I lived there and didn't like the weather
13:40 <@shapr> lived in Seattle, not enough sunlight
13:40 <@shapr> wouldn't mind trying Portland
13:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> move to columbus then, it doesn't get NEARLY as bad winters as clev or boston
13:40 <@shapr> aestetix: Berlin is high on my list of options
13:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> big city with lots to do
13:40 <@shapr> aestetix: why do you suggest it?
13:40 < aestetix> shapr: I'm likely moving to berlin early next year
13:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> he wants german girls
13:41 < aestetix> shapr: cost of living is cheap, and the requirements to move are easy
13:41 < aestetix> they relaxed a bunch of the laws because their economy tanked
13:41 <@shapr> I like it because the hackerspace movement is very active there, and it's the world center for e-textiles
13:41 < aestetix> and now there's a big tech startup scene there
13:41 <@shapr> huh, that raises the priority of berlin
13:41 < aestetix> and they have laws that will prevent it from turning into SF
13:41 <@shapr> aestetix: got any citations for that?
13:41 < aestetix> for which?
13:42 < aestetix> I have about a dozen friends who have moved there :)
13:42 <@shapr> for the law changes and economy tanking
13:42 <@shapr> If I can get a work visa, I'll likely do that.
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13:43 <@shapr> My german has never been great, but I'd love to improve.
13:43 < aestetix> Eh
13:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats another nice thing for terminal degrees, such as masters of phd
13:43 < aestetix> You can get by
13:43 <@shapr> My Swedish is excellent, and my French is okay.
13:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can get work visa pretty much anywhere worldwide
13:43 <@shapr> RangerZ|Laptop: how so?
13:43 < aestetix> I say this having spent a bit of time in berlin
13:43 < aestetix> most recently this past NYE
13:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> by applying, they give priority to higher education
13:43 <@shapr> I have a four year degree
13:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> that helps a lot
13:44 <@shapr> huh, neat: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Poor-but-sexy-Berlin-attracts-tech-startups-5553005.php
13:44 <@shapr> I also have a 20 year career writing software
13:44 <@shapr> worked for some German companies too
13:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> something they don't advertise a lot... 90% of chinese students that come to the US for grad school stay
13:44 <@shapr> European Union projects
13:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c we give them work visas
13:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c we want to 'brain drain' other nations
13:45 < aestetix> shapr: have you been to germany much?
13:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> and other nations want to do the same
13:45 <@shapr> aestetix: not 'much'
13:45 <@shapr> but I've spent several weeks there off and on during business trips
13:45 < aestetix> ah ok
13:45 <@shapr> I lived in Sweden/Finland and worked for a Germany university, we took business trips down south to meet with them sometimes.
13:46 <@shapr> Spent seven years doing that.
13:46 <@shapr> aestetix: that article supports your hypothesis :-)
13:47 < aestetix> the last time I was in germany everyone was telling me to move there
13:47 <@opticron> shapr, now go find one that contradicts his hypothesis
13:47 < aestetix> which was like 8 months ago
13:47 <@shapr> opticron: yeah, that's how I prevent falling victim to confirmation bias again
13:47 <@shapr> I failed the Wason selection task pretty badly a few years back.
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13:53 < aestetix> hmmm
13:53 < aestetix> there hasn't been a "harassment" related drama breakout in a while
13:53 < aestetix> maybe I should go back onto twitter
13:54 <@oddball> and cause one?
13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: they are waiting for halloween weekend
13:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> in 615
13:56 <@oddball> Naienko is now saying she's planning to come down that Saturday just to laugh.
13:59 <@opticron> shapr, how badly?
14:03 < aestetix> oddball: for phreaknic?
14:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
14:05 <@oddball> yep
14:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> so curfew got lifted in Ferguson , but national guard
14:06 <@oddball> yep
14:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> like wtf... how can you decide to escalate one part but not the other
14:06 < aestetix> hmmm
14:06 < aestetix> this is an election year
14:07 <@oddball> And the family got an out of stater to do an autopsy, whose findings... don't seem to match up with either side's story.
14:07 < aestetix> Jay Nixon must be having all kinds of fun
14:08 <@oddball> All the shots were to the front of the body or head, including to the arm, but there were no signs of powder burns.
14:08 < aestetix> I wonder who is the congressman for Ferguson
14:09 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Any details of the officer's gun?  If the teenager was hit by 6 bullets, how many were left in the officer's gun?
14:10 < aestetix> http://www.house.gov/htbin/findrep?ZIP=63135&Submit=FIND+YOUR+REP+BY+ZIP
14:10 < aestetix> http://lacyclay.house.gov/
14:10 < aestetix> I haven't seen him in the news at all
14:10 < aestetix> Luckily for him he's black
14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: I have
14:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's actually one of the few politicans trying to cut back the military equipment going FOR FREE to local police
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14:21 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I didn't see a report documenting how many were fired.
14:22 <@oddball> I do know that cops are generally taught to keep firing until the threat is neutralized.
14:32 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: so the question then becomes, how in the world did this officer perceive this kid to be a threat?
14:32 <@Dagmar> Well, he's a threat because he refused to get into the cop car through the window
14:33 < aestetix> Corydon76-home: because he was black
14:33 <@Dagmar> It wouldn't have been a problem if the cop hadn't tried to _strong arm_ the guy into the car
14:33 <@oddball> The guy that did the autopsy stated that the wounds indicate that Brown might have been in a charge... and he was 6'4" and 290lbs.
14:34 <@Corydon76-home> In a charge?
14:34 <@oddball> The lack of powder burns just means that he wasn't shot with the muzzle basically pressed against him.
14:34 <@oddball> He could have been charging the officer.
14:34 <@Dagmar> However, how clearly is someone going to think when they're unarmed, and someone starts shooting at them anyway
14:35 <@oddball> as in running at him linebacker style.
14:36 <@oddball> Dagmar: That's one of those million dollar questions.  Did he charge before or after the cop started shooting.  If it was after, why weren't any of the shots sustained to the back?
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Autopsy results said 1-30 feet
14:37 <@oddball> (if it happened as the buddy stated: "the cop shot as they were walking away")
14:38 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Which is within the distance that cops are taught that if someone decides they want to rush you and stab the shit out of you, chances are they can before you pull and shoot.
14:39 <@oddball> Like I said, this autopsy doesn't do a lot other than discredit both sides' stories.
14:39 <@Dagmar> Either way, was it appropriate or warranted for the cop to grab the guy in the first place?
14:39 <@oddball> The cops grabbed the guy?
14:40 <@Dagmar> There's multiple reports of a "tussle" with the kid outside the car being pulled on by the cop
14:40 <@Dagmar> The first shot was supposed to have been fired inside the vehicle
14:40 <@oddball> ah, okk
14:41 <@Dagmar> ...and I hate to say this but things would have been simpler if someone had just shot the cop.
14:41 <@Dagmar> It's clear that neighborhood is full of people who won't give statements because out of all those people there's only three?  Phht
14:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> oddball: but the autopsy didn't inspect the clothes he was wearing
14:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> so the powder burns issue isn't 100% relevant
14:43 <@Dagmar> It would possibly indicate the range at which shots were fired
14:46 <@oddball> Well, the burns might be in the clothes.
14:46 <@oddball> There's a chance that they wouldn't have transfered through to the skin.
14:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: did you read my NY state comment from this morning?
14:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> they are auto-deleting all emails at 90 days
14:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'just so' happened to start when 'Coumo the lesser' started his 'investigation into corruption'
14:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c 50GB of cloud based storage isn't enough room for 'emails'
14:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....
14:58 <@oddball> You mean someone's actually trying to see if Bloomberg misspent city funds?
14:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, he didn't have to
14:59 <@oddball> 'cause he got caught red handed doing that.
14:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> its cuomo thats likely at fault
15:00 <@oddball> Apparently MAIG and his other anti-gun sites were actually being hosted on NYC servers for a while.
15:00  * RangerZ|Laptop shrugs 
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but either way
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> no
15:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> its a special investigative group the gov setup and then told to not investigate people/companies affiliated with his campaign
15:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> and his argument is "well it was my investigation, so of course I could choose who to investigate"
15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> despite him publicly stating that it was independent and could investigate anyone
15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> basically ... governor with too much power in a rich state = issues
15:04 <@Corydon76-home> Which is also why Rick Perry is facing indictment
15:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually TX's gov. is basically just a figure head
15:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> tx has among the weakest gov. in the nation, which is why perry/bush could be gov. from there for so long
15:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:11 <@shapr> opticron: well, I failed the test by making a bad marriage decision. How bad would you consider that?
15:15 <@opticron> oh....THAT decision
15:16 <@opticron> I thought you were talking about the example test
15:20 <@Dagmar> heheh
15:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> you knows sad... that people in ferguson think the cop will get convicted
15:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> they should be focusing on making cops wear cameras, nothing more, nothing less
15:30 <@Dagmar> THey don't realize that for a conviction you need an abundance of evidence.
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...which is in stark contrast with only needing suspicion to perform an execution.
15:30 <@Dagmar> It isn't going to get better.
15:32 <@shapr> opticron: the failure was exactly as you described, I looked only for data supporting the hypothesis, and failed to look for data contradicting the hypothesis.
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15:33 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: one wonders if the officer will pull a Dan White
15:34 <@Corydon76-home> Suicide isn't the most satisfying conclusion, but it does save the community from needing to perform an execution
15:41 < aestetix> vagina
15:44 <@shapr> VAINA
15:45 <@shapr> today's fun finding is the De Bruijn torus B₈
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15:55 < aestetix> So
15:55 < aestetix> Dagmar: I just saw an IDESG email.
15:56 < aestetix> Can you explain to me what the term "Enterprise Governance" means?
15:56 < aestetix> Because I know what Enterprise means, and I know what Governance means
15:56 < aestetix> And they really don't belong together
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16:07 <@Wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2rwhcnwezh9mfjb/Photo%20on%208-18-14%20at%204.06%20PM.jpg?dl=0
16:08 <@Wilpig> I gots my fuck yeah knuckles today.  finally
16:12 < frsilent> lol it looks like they don't go high enough for leaving imprints via a hook though
16:12 < frsilent> just the pimp slap
16:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> frsilent: lets be honest... Wilpig throw a punch?
16:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
16:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> he's going to imprint that into donuts before he bakes them
16:15 < frsilent> lol
16:15 <@shapr> Wilpig: ha, awesome!
16:16 <@Wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: I am more likely to kick and stomp like a bitch rather than throw a punch.
16:30 < aestetix> http://potatohatsecurity.tumblr.com/post/94565729529/defcon-22-badge-challenge-walkthrough
16:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> nice.... been asking for what 'class' to register for... for ~4 mo...
16:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> "ohh yeah... this one... since you know... classes start wed"
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16:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> president talking about iraq and ferguson
16:33 < aestetix> url?
16:33 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?321041-3/president-obama-remarks-ferguson-missouri-shooting-iraq&live
16:34 < aestetix> god he looks tired
16:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> being president wears you the fuck out
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16:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> they visibly age like 2~3 years per year as president
16:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> or more
16:48 <@Dagmar> Not quite
16:49 <@Dagmar> Part of that is that when they're trying to get elected, they have make-up people.
16:49 <@Dagmar> After they've _got_ the job, they need to look wise.
16:54 <@Dagmar> Wow..
16:54 <@Dagmar> This guy is serious about beta.
16:54 <@Dagmar> "Alice Finn probably shouldn't have the shopkeeper emotes "Open for business" and "Step on up" while laying passed out in a bed"
16:56 <@oddball> Depends entirely on what the shopkeeper sells
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17:14 < aestetix> my new book arrived
17:15 < aestetix> "IBM and the Holocaust"
17:15 < aestetix> this should be interesting
17:26 <@oddball> aestetix: Have I told you that I own a rifle made by IBM that was used by the US in WWII?
17:26 <@Dagmar> Hey... someone had to count all those jews.
17:27 <@oddball> I've run into a lot of folks that take the actions of the German division of IBM as the actions of the entire company
17:28 < aestetix> oddball: if anything turns me on more than computers, it's Nazis
17:28 < aestetix> Mostly because their uniforms were really stylish.
17:29 <@oddball> "IBM was on the side of the Nazis!" "IBM's divisioned worked for the countries they were in" "No, I read..." "I have a gun made by IBM with the intent to kill Nazis... and it probably did its job." "oh.. ummm..."
17:29 < aestetix> oddball: I didn't know IBM made weapons
17:30 <@Dagmar> I just think it perfectly illustrates how a corporation is inherently _amoral_.
17:30 < aestetix> oddball: by that logic the Catholic Church was on the side of the Nazis because Pope Pious (I think) didn't actively speak out against it
17:30 <@oddball> They were one of the manufactures of the M1 carbine.
17:30 < aestetix> Although that gets more complicated
17:30 < aestetix> Dagmar: and actually amoral
17:30 < aestetix> Unlike the people who call themselves atheist and are actually antitheist
17:31 <@oddball> Basically, if you were in the US and you had a small machine shop, you were making weapons.
17:32 < aestetix> yep
17:33 <@oddball> And apparently the original wood stock for my carbine may have been made by Milton Bradley.  Sadly, my stock was replaced at some point in its service... not suprising since it went through WWII, Korea, and possibly part of Vietnam.
17:34 <@Wilpig> and soon to a race riot 
17:35 <@Dagmar> Thanks, Nixon!
17:35 < aestetix> Wilpig: haha
17:36 <@oddball> Other manufacturers of the M1 carbine include: Singer, Rock-ola (juke box maker), a division of GM, Underwood (typewriter manufacturer), Union Switch and Signal, National Postal Meter Co...
17:37 <@oddball> Oops, just looked it up, Singer didn't make carbines, just 1911 pistols.
17:46 < aestetix> So this is in an email foursquare sent me, trying to get me to download their app
17:46 < aestetix> "Our phones should learn about us – our tastes, our social connections, and our preferences."
17:46 < aestetix> Pardon. Phones should NOT be learning those things.
17:46 < aestetix> Phones should be used for making *gasp* phone calls, and maybe for SMS.
17:47 <@oddball> but... then how will our stalkers know where we are?
17:47 < aestetix> Through their job at the NSA
17:47 <@Dagmar> Man.... Why does Elite have to be $75
17:47 <@Dagmar> That just rankles
17:48 < aestetix> I read that one line and it ruined any chance of my downloadin their app
17:48 < aestetix> Although it's already hard for me to download seeing as I don't have an iphone
17:49 <@oddball> Elite?
17:50 <@Dagmar> Yes.  It's a sort-of competitor to RSI
17:50 <@oddball> Ah, right
17:50 <@Dagmar> THe guy who made Elite back in the early 90's went to Kickstarter and got funded to make it anew with useable graphics
17:50 <@Dagmar> They have a playable beta now and I'm like... damn... $75?
17:51 < aestetix> What was the game system.... the ouya?
17:51 < aestetix> Did that thing go anywhere?
17:53 < aestetix> Why do I suspect RangerZ has an unused ouya sitting in his living room full of crap indie games
17:55 <@Dagmar> I'm also going to have to address "the yoke problem".
17:55 <@Dagmar> ...as in, I don't have one.
17:56 < RangerZ> nope, it doesn't have any indie games on it at all, and I bought it as a cheap media playback system
17:56 < RangerZ> and it works fine for that
17:57 <@Dagmar> This guy talks too much.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iJJrk9wGj8
17:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Elite Dangerous - First Look (Premium Beta) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:57 < aestetix> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02996/potd-jong-paint_2996741k.jpg
17:57 < aestetix> And yes, that is lube
17:58 <@Dagmar> One thing I do like is that their intention is to have basically, one instance.
17:58 <@Dagmar> One BIGGER THAN FUCK instance.
17:58 <@Dagmar> So... if you want to genuinely fly out into the middle of nowhere never to be seen again, you can do a pretty good job of it
18:00 <@Dagmar> Oh hell voice command interface
18:00 <@Dagmar> lol
18:00 < RangerZ> lol
18:00 < RangerZ> yeah
18:01 < RangerZ> i dunno, I think SC's shard system is more realalistic
18:01  * Dagmar starts reading joystick reviews in earnest
18:01 < RangerZ> but it has its drawbacks too
18:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah.  No welsh accent option;
18:02 < RangerZ> you have 3 options, saitek's 2 middle range ones 150/200, or thrustmaster's really expensive one 400, or the CH one for 400
18:02 < RangerZ> pretty much they all suck in some way
18:02 < RangerZ> so choose your poison
18:03 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG-82TakEqk
18:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Roberts Space Industries Constellation Commercial - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:03 < RangerZ> did you see that?
18:03 <@Dagmar> Huh?  How much?
18:03 < RangerZ> a HEAVY ode to 2001
18:03 <@Dagmar> I think you've got an extra zero on there
18:03 < RangerZ> yeah... thats why I haven't bought one
18:04 < RangerZ> thats 'in-game' rendering
18:04 <@Dagmar> No, I'm serious
18:04 <@Dagmar> Even Best Buy has one less zero
18:05 <@Dagmar> Logitech's is lik $35
18:05 <@Dagmar> er like
18:05 < RangerZ> yeah I know, I'm just telling you what the popular opinion online is
18:05 < RangerZ> they all think the cheap stuff is 'junk'
18:05 <@Dagmar> The popular opinion is apparently that it's fun to shove a joystick up your ass and the more you paid the more fun it is
18:05 < RangerZ> I think we're seeing the engine for the next star-trek show
18:10 < RangerZ> all I want... is a fucking occulus rift ... that would make space sims... *thought orgasm*
18:11 <@Dagmar> Tree fiddy
18:11 < RangerZ> yeah, I'm waiting for a non-dev version
18:11 < RangerZ> I dont plan on coding for it
18:12 <@Dagmar> Same here
18:13 < RangerZ> though... I could see myself using it as a virtual desktop maybe
18:13 <@Dagmar> I like how in this video the starport is cluttered up with people who've failed to exit the starport properly
18:14 <@Dagmar> my god this is pretty
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18:17 < RangerZ> which video?
18:17 <@Dagmar> The one I linked
18:17 < RangerZ> ohh... then just wait
18:17 < RangerZ> SC has like 2x the graphics on elite
18:17 < RangerZ> its silly
18:17 < RangerZ> it _IS_ going to be the system killer like Crysis was
18:18 <@Dagmar> Except it's not playable as far as I know
18:18 < RangerZ> yeah it is
18:18 < RangerZ> dogfighting is up and running
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18:19 < RangerZ> and they are adding in party combat and multi-crew combat soon (i just don't konw the date)
18:19 < aestetix> man
18:19 < aestetix> reddit is in a golden era
18:19 < aestetix> there is some brilliant creative writing on it
18:20 < RangerZ> don't worry
18:20 < RangerZ> it'll crash soon
18:20 < aestetix> :/
18:20 < aestetix> sure but enjoy it while it lasts
18:21 < RangerZ> ehh
18:21 < RangerZ> never got into reddit
18:22 < RangerZ> was really into digg back when it didn't suck
18:27 < RangerZ> I feel bad... guys I know back home are in desperate need/search for jobs... and I just get linkedin cold calls(well cold-emails)
18:27 < RangerZ> but it only gives me them for ytown, not nashville
18:28 < RangerZ> despite it knowing I'm here :/
18:28 < RangerZ> *shrugs*, not that I care, if i got any, i'd just forward to oddball, lol
18:42 < frsilent> RangerZ: I've got the 300i but man some of those ships are pricey for SC
18:42 < frsilent> my coworker has the oculus dk2 & psace sim on it would be phenomenal
18:43 < frsilent> *space
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22:59 < RangerZ> wait... i thought they lifted the curfew for tonight
23:05 <@Wilpig> that's what you get for thinking?
23:05 < RangerZ> apparently
23:06 <@Wilpig> what are you gonna do for your next trick?
23:07 < RangerZ> I'm going to make a comment about crazypants sneaking into your room on halloween while you sleep
23:09 < RangerZ> frsilent: yeah... I'd love to get the constellation (the 250$ ship), but can't afford to spend that kinda money
23:12 <@Wilpig> but on halloween she'll be haunting a corpse in nashville and i'll be watching primus 
23:16 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXI3qwe_2fM
23:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ferguson Cop’s Threat To Shoot Reporter Is Caught On Tape - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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23:27 <@Dagmar> STill a bunch of amatuers on the job
23:28 <@Dagmar> You'd think maybe people would realize they shouldn't make threats of deadly assault to _people whose job is running cameras_
23:29 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you have a studio mic or now of a good place to buy one cheap other than some kind of pawn shop
23:30 <@Dagmar> DJ shops
23:30 <@Dagmar> Anything with an XLR connector is going to be pretty damn good
23:31 < RangerZ> I just need a new mic b/c my headset 1) broke 2) had to be 1" from my mouth to work (not ideal)
23:31 <@Dagmar> Headset mics are supposed to be near your moth
23:31 <@Dagmar> er mouth
23:31 <@Dagmar> I got that Logitch joystick by the way
23:32 < RangerZ> yeah, but I'm using it for recording some instructional videos, and its more the fact that it broke, I would just rather have something on boon and not have to touch it/wear it
23:32 < RangerZ> how you like it?
23:32 < RangerZ> or haven't used it yet?
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23:35 <@Dagmar> I'm about to pull it out of the box
23:37 < RangerZ> i really wish I could find a shop that had several joysticks up and running, that you could test out
23:37 <@Dagmar> I understand now why the reviewer commented on the seam
23:38 <@Dagmar> I see now I will probably be modding this thing a little
23:38 < RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U/ this one?
23:38 <@Dagmar> Yes.
23:39 <@Dagmar> Best Buy has it for ~$34
23:39 < RangerZ> whats the modding you're thinking about
23:40 <@Dagmar> Take the handle off... sand it down to reduce the grab on that seam, and then Plasti-Dip it
23:40 <@Dagmar> It's not rubber-coated
23:41 < RangerZ> for 34$, they aren't paid to care, lol
23:41 < RangerZ> but that seems silly
23:42 <@Dagmar> It does at least feel stable on the desk without suction cups
23:42 < RangerZ> hows the 'throttle'
23:43 <@Dagmar> Cheap
23:43 <@Dagmar> ...although it doesn't need to be much.
23:43 <@Dagmar> It could use some sanding I think
23:44 <@Dagmar> I've no idea why it is where it is on the stick tho
23:45 < RangerZ> yeah... always seemed odd the placement
23:45 < RangerZ> b/c you're likely to be using it a lot
23:45 < RangerZ> is it dual left/right handed stick?
23:46 < RangerZ> to make the throttle usable for both 'other' hands?
23:47 <@Dagmar> Looks right-handed to me, but it doesn't matter very much as you can see by the pics
23:48 <@Dagmar> Wait, no... thumb button might be an issue for the left hand
23:56 <@Dagmar> I would have put the throttle on the left side of the base, actually.
23:56 <@Dagmar> ...but that's where tehey decided they needed those six buttons
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