--- Log opened Fri Aug 15 00:00:19 2014
00:02 < aestetix> RangerZ: yeah, ferguson looks.... fucking scary
00:07 <@Dagmar> Dude the Black Panthers had to help maintain?
00:07 <@Dagmar> Wow
00:07 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNzZzf0Fveo
00:08 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure I really like the way things are transpiring
00:08 <@Dagmar> ...but things at least aren't on fire and shit
00:09 < aestetix> The thing is
00:09 < aestetix> Ferguson is just another little town in the midwest, right?
00:09 < aestetix> Which means this could happen to anyone's little town.
00:09 <@Dagmar> Yes.
00:10 < aestetix> That's what makes this really scary to me.
00:10 < aestetix> And hopefully it's a wakeup call to people.
00:10 < aestetix> This is what the DHS gives us.
00:11 <@Dagmar> Well, yeah that's why I was saying last night that we've SEEN this shit happen in _big cities_ before
00:11 < aestetix> Ah right
00:11 <@Dagmar> It can very MUCH happen anywhere.  That there's a lot of black people involved is practically just rotten luck
00:11 < aestetix> Bad things happen in New York and LA. They do not happen in Padouka or Ferguson
00:11 <@Dagmar> You disagree with the cops?  FUCK YOUR RIGHTS.
00:13 < aestetix> The thing I do like about this
00:13 < aestetix> Unlike the boston bombing, in this the police are CLEARLY in the wrong.
00:13 < aestetix> There was no threat or bomb or terrorist
00:13 < aestetix> Just a little black kid getting ready to start college
00:14 <@Dagmar> This is why I wasn't cool with people blaming this on race alone
00:14 < aestetix> It seems like DHS gave the police equipment without training.
00:14 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes but *someone* was orchestrating shit
00:14 < aestetix> orchestrating?
00:15 <@Dagmar> I want to know _who made the call to fire the tear gas_
00:15 < aestetix> Oh right.
00:15 <@Dagmar> They _waited_
00:15 < aestetix> Uh.
00:15 <@Dagmar> Like, they *clearly* had a plan
00:15 < aestetix> Police are supposed to announce that when they do it.
00:15 < aestetix> At least, they did in Oakland.
00:15 < aestetix> "This is office ___, you are in violation of ___, you have 10 minutes to disperse or we will use chemical weapons."
00:15 <@Dagmar> Whether or not the individual police were tools hides the fact that *someone* was still calling the shots and explicltly *planned* to get rid of the media so they could tear gas the crowds
00:15 <@Dagmar> That's being ignored.
00:16 < aestetix> One of the reasons you're supposed to do that is that so anyone who is allergic to tear gas can get out of the way
00:16 <@Dagmar> That assumes the police gave a shit about the people
00:16 <@Dagmar> ...and lawsuits
00:16 <@Dagmar> These fuckers in Ferguson were clearly pretty much bringing the boot down
00:17 < aestetix> So we're gonna see a bunch of lawsuits about this.
00:17 <@Dagmar> What concerns me equally is a number of people I talked to today barely seemed to think this was worth worrying about
00:18 <@Dagmar> I started paying attention a bit late into the game but I researched what happened before Tuesday
00:18 <@Dagmar> ugh.  People are already merchandising T-shirts
00:18 < aestetix> I haven't been able to pay attention because I've been slammed with other stuff.
00:18 < aestetix> But I know it's important
00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> whats worse is the DA from there said something like... "despicable action, insulting the honorable police of city"
00:19 <@Dagmar> That's because it *is*
00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> about how the Gov. came in and replaced the sheriff with the state highway patrol
00:20 <@Dagmar> ...because replacing the chief of police with the sherrif accomplished _nothing_
00:20 <@Dagmar> They literally doubled down on stupid
00:20 <@Dagmar> There will _likely_ be more than one cop fired
00:21 <@Dagmar> It's kind of lucky Obama was _on vacation_
00:21 <@Dagmar> If he had to address it directly people would have shit bricks
00:22 < aestetix> Dagmar: RangerZ have you guys read Bonfire of the Vanities?
00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> nope, we don't live on the liberal coasts where we have nothing but time to read philosophical books ;)
00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> but really, no, lol
00:23 < aestetix> actually that book takes place in NYC
00:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> i said COASTS
00:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh, i've seen Bonfire though
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> wasn't very good
00:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> what about it?
00:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> just the difference of the poor black kid who dies vs the rich white guy
00:30 < aestetix> the movie is so-so
00:30 < aestetix> the book is a masterpiece
00:33 < aestetix> http://www.ktrs.com/congressman-wants-to-stop-transfer-of-weapons-to-police/
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00:56 <@Dagmar> MORON OF THE DAY AWARD GOES TO: SAMANTHA BLANCHARD
00:56 <@Dagmar> "Black people where being systematically brutalized by our government & victims of white supremacy in 1775 as well so I can see your point Dagmar."
00:56 <@Dagmar> WE HAD A FUCKING QUEEN THEN
00:56 <@Dagmar> HOW FUCKING BAD ARE PEOPLE AT US HISTORY???
00:57 <@Dagmar> HOLY JUMPING MOTHER OF CRAP!
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01:56 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1SKC6dK7o&feature=youtu.be
01:56 < aestetix> "Ferguson Riot Police Open Fire Into Peaceful Protest "
01:57 < aestetix> That's brutality if I ever saw it.
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02:27 < aestetix> http://www.quora.com/Is-leaving-a-150K-salary-for-a-startup-with-120K-plus-0-1-equity-a-good-deal
02:28 < aestetix> that's the kind of thing we struggle with in the bay area
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05:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: they did the #1 crime you can do in america
05:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> you didn't cower to the police, and pre-cog follow their instructions
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08:27 <@Corydon76-home> 2 tanker truck explosions in 2 days is an incredible coincidence.
08:28 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/1-killed-in-Tenn-tanker-truck-fire-I-65-closed-5690652.php
08:46 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: we had one here on tuesday
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09:20 < RangerZ> so apparently MO is going to release the name of the killer in Ferguson
09:20 < RangerZ> i mean... 'cop'
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09:34 <@Dagmar> ...who will, of course, be facing no charges because he was only doing his job..er... following approved police procedure.
09:34 <@Dagmar> ...at which point people should riot and tear down the police station.
09:34 <@Dagmar> ...and *only* the police station.
09:35 < RangerZ> st. louis county has gotten 10million+ in grants for military equipment
09:35 < RangerZ> good thing they didn't spend that on pre-k, or school, or school lunches
09:40 <@Corydon76-home> I'm thinking this is a direct violation of Article I, Section 10 of the US Constitution:  "No State shall... keep Troops"
09:41 <@Corydon76-home> If they have military equipment, to be used as if they are military soldiers, then they are military.
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09:43 <@Corydon76-home> You can have military equipment as museum or memorial pieces, but once you put on that uniform, use that equipment, and engage in those tactics, you are military, and the Constitutional prohibition becomes relevant
09:44 < RangerZ> releasing info now
09:47 < RangerZ> its the 2nd name that got released i think
09:47 < RangerZ> Darren Wilson*
09:47 < RangerZ> for what it matters to any of us, directly
09:48 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Probably because I'm not the only person asking "So who was the person who was giving the orders to use the tear gas?"
09:48 <@Dagmar> They gotta cough up some kind of name or they're going to have the state governor cornholing people with a plunger
09:51 < RangerZ> also, the cop was responding to a robbery
09:52 < RangerZ> so 'thats why he stopped the young black man'
09:52 < RangerZ> *twirls finger*
09:56 <@Dagmar> Oh is that why he stopped him
09:56 <@Dagmar> That's not going to go over well
09:58 < RangerZ> he might as well have just said "well come on... he was black, he deserved to be stopped"
09:58 <@Dagmar> yep
10:09 <@Dagmar> I'm going to bait that offensively stupid woman today
10:09 <@Dagmar> ...becuase fuck her
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10:21 < RangerZ> crazypants?
10:22 < RangerZ> lol
10:23 <@Dagmar> No the fucking idiot woman who when I mentioend 1775 started talking about slavery again
10:27 < RangerZ> slavery isn't going to exist until we have space stations
10:28 < RangerZ> lol
10:30 <@Dagmar> Oh the bitch thinks she's going to take me on
10:30 <@Dagmar> Fuck her.  I'm dropping a nuke.
10:30 <@Dagmar> "you are a grotesque caricature of an American citizen. Your lack of knowledge with respect to your own country's history is truly disgusting. When Thomas Jefferson was talking about an enlightened citizenry being indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic you were *precisely* not what he had in mind. You are so witheringly ill-informed your statements last night made the Internet as a whole measurably stupider.
10:30 <@Dagmar> In short, it's people like *you* who make abominations like the Ferguson police state not only possible, but _inevitable_."
10:31  * RangerZ walks away slowly
10:31 < RangerZ> lol
10:31 < RangerZ> but anyways, off to work
10:31 < RangerZ> later
10:32 <@Dagmar> Trying to run one's mouth about slavery in 1775 makes about as much sense as claiming this entire race is saturated with rape because of the actions in -2000 BC
10:32 <@Dagmar> We were goddamn British "subjects" inn 1775
10:32 <@Dagmar> The people who were born here were not even citizens of the crown
10:42 <@oddball> It's nice to see a bunch of my facebook friends that didn't like my questions of "if I'm not allowed machineguns, body armor, etc, why should the cops have them?" now freaking out of the militarization of the police.
10:44 <@oddball> And remember: most of the places that have magazine limits, etc not only have exemptions carved out for police officers, but for former police officers as well.
10:54 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: I have less of an issue with those, if they've been rendered inoperable.
10:54 <@Corydon76-home> That is, you can keep your old toys, as long as said toys aren't easily made into weapons of mass murder
10:55 <@Dagmar> You mean like the ones the cops are carrying?
10:56 <@Dagmar> There's some people making a big deal about a news story (That's probably bogus in the first place) about a bunch of gun afficionados planning an open carry rally in a black neighborhood
10:56 <@oddball> See... I'm ok with going back to before '86 where you had to go through the NFA stuff for new automatics.  There simply wasn't an issue with people using machine guns in crime.
10:56 <@Dagmar> They're all "A bunch of heavily-armed white guys in a black neighborhood?  I don't see how this could possibly go wrong."
10:56 <@Dagmar> They're idiots.
10:57 <@oddball> Sure, I can still buy a pre-'86 machine gun, but they're now really fucking expensive due to the artificial rarity.
10:57 <@Dagmar> What they should worry about is those white guys going in armed, adn the black guys coming out armed, and then two groups figuring out they have a common enemy.
10:57 <@oddball> Dagmar: yes.
10:58 <@Dagmar> Mainly I can see those two groups standing there admiring each other's guns.  heh
10:58 <@shapr> hack?
11:16 <@oddball> Dagmar: By the way, I would fucking love it if that Open Carry Texas march through a black neighborhood got the locals to join in.
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11:18 <@oddball> Oh, Dagmar, you'll love this picture of the Capt. of the highway patrol in Ferguson: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10603346_10152592113423419_2931670741795283161_n.jpg
11:22 <@Corydon76-home> The cops identified Brown based upon the fact that he was black and wearing a hat of the local professional sports team
11:30 < aestetix> oh boy, the drama just keeps unfolding
11:33 <@Corydon76-home> Based upon the way Fox News is framing it, I fully expect conservatives to start referring to Michael Brown as "the convenience store robber"
11:37 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure that the penalty for robbing a convenience store is not execution.
11:44 <@oddball> Not typically, no.
11:45 <@oddball> At this point, even if it turns out that the cops were completely justified in shooting him, the entire department fucked up bad with the aftermath, and heads need to roll.
11:45 <@oddball> Of course, I'm not holding my breath, but...
11:45 < aestetix> So here's the thing.
11:46 < aestetix> Let's say someone shoots up a school or something. And it turns out their friend gave them the gun.
11:46 < aestetix> Is the friend accountable at all?
11:46 <@critch> depends on if the friend knew what was going to happen
11:46 < aestetix> Because those police wouldn't have been able to do this without the equipment from DHS
11:47 < aestetix> Ok. So someone says "I want to shoot up my school" so their friend gives them a gun.
11:47 <@oddball> Also depends on how old the shooter is, if the shooter asked them to buy it for them, etc.
11:48 < aestetix> Of course the issue with this line of thinking is that nobody is accountable for anything on the federal level anymore.
11:49 <@oddball> I would think that giving someone a gun who tells you that they want to shoot up the school and then goes and does it would make you at least guilty of either aiding and abetting or conspiracy.
11:49 < aestetix> right
11:49 <@oddball> If the friend asked you to buy it for them, that would be a star purchase... and illegal.
11:49 <@oddball> If they're too young or otherwise prohibitted, that would also be illegal.
11:50 <@oddball> I take it you're trying to get the higher ups in the police department in trouble for the shit that happened in Ferguson?
11:52 < aestetix> No.
11:52 < aestetix> I blame DHS for this.
11:53 <@oddball> Oh... you expect a federal agency to be held responsible for a damn thing.  Hahahahahahahaha that's funny.
11:53 < aestetix> That's why I said the thing about federal accountability
11:53 < aestetix> Correct me if I'm wrong though.
11:54 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure all the tear gas, rubber bullets, and the sound thing came from DHS
11:54 <@oddball> Especially after all those IRS hard drives "crashed" and were destroyed.
11:54 < aestetix> heh
11:54 < aestetix> Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. So why is not knowing tech an excuse for breaking tech?
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11:55 <@oddball> Chances are that the dept. got money for the ammo from Patriot Act money.
11:55 < aestetix> I do believe that abolishing the DHS is the first step to restoring America
11:58 <@oddball> See... I understand the concept of creating the DHS.  We had agencies working under the DoD, IRS, DoT, and several other branches that needed to talk to each other and weren't due to politics.  What they got wrong was that putting them all under one umrella doesn't actually solve that issue.
11:59 <@oddball> Most of the agencies need to be abolished and their duties taken over by the FBI.
12:00 < aestetix> Yep.
12:00 < aestetix> What's the point of having an FBI if we have DHS?
12:01 <@oddball> The idea of the DHS could have worked if they had then turned around and eliminated the higher up positions of the agencies under it... but that's not going to happen.
12:16 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING!
12:16 <@shapr> Wassup mah homies?
12:17  * shapr hugs Shadow404
12:17 <@oddball> Apparently treating the citizens they serve in a civilized manner is working in Ferguson.
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12:27 < aestetix> oddball: maybe next they'll be able to vote
12:29 < aestetix> But I mean
12:29 < aestetix> Does anyone besides DHS employees think the DHS needs to exist?
12:31 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I think you're on a tangent on a mistaken identity.  This is military surplus equipment, so it's really coming from the Pentagon
12:31 < aestetix> I thought it was coming from DHS
12:31 < aestetix> Or are they just... trafficking it?
12:38 <@Corydon76-home> Dunno, but I think the issue is that we shouldn't be giving local communities their own military units
12:40 <@shapr> why not?
12:40 <@oddball> Because then they want to use it.
12:42 <@oddball> I'm not sure of the exact supply chain, but DHS gives them the money for the training and to purchase the bean bag rounds, gas cannisters, etc.  The DoD hands down the surplus armored vehicles, machine guns, etc.
12:42 <@oddball> Not sure who supplies the grenade launchers for the gas grenades.
12:44 <@oddball> shapr: Bigger question is why should local police dept. be turned into standing armies complete with APCs, body armor, and machine guns?
12:44 <@shapr> I'm not disagreeing, I'm just interested in reasons
12:44 <@Corydon76-home> And secondarily, isn't that a violation of Article I, Section 10 of the US Constitution?
12:44 <@oddball> Because the police are supposed to be servants of the people, not an occupation force.
12:45 <@Corydon76-home> (3rd paragraph)
12:48 <@oddball> Pretty sure the Fed giving them the equipment implies conscent of Congress.
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13:24 <@Dagmar> There's the real problem... The people who have the ability to hand this shit out aren't asking for reasons
13:25 <@Dagmar> The only thing they care about is "no one has stopped us"
13:25 <@Dagmar> WHy do we have this much military surplus available in the first place?
13:25 <@Dagmar> WAR!  WAR!  WAR!
13:25 <@Dagmar> TERRURIST IN YER BREAKFAST CEREAL!
13:26 <@SuMo_D> yummy
13:28 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing that they keep insisting it's a robbery they were investigating
13:28 <@Dagmar> The kid was apparently a dumbass shoplifter
13:29 <@Dagmar> ...but I suppose it doesn't sound as important that they were looking for a petty thief.
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13:30 <@Dagmar> ...and it was a "box" of swisher sweets he stole
13:30 <@Dagmar> ...which they are claiming had a value of $48
13:31 <@Dagmar> Where'd he stash them?
13:31 < RangerZ> anus, thats why they haven't released the autopsy
13:31 <@Dagmar> The little six-pack box of the things definitely isn't $48.  It's more like $5
13:31 < RangerZ> for 'his' own good
13:31 <@Dagmar> ...and you'd be able to see the box in the picture
13:32 <@Dagmar> What he's got in his hand in the picture can't _possibly_ be the large box
13:32 < RangerZ> yeah, its a fucking 'well he was a criminal' ploy
13:33 <@Dagmar> Even if he was a criminal, gunning down an unarmed criminal is still unacceptable
13:33 <@Dagmar> ...and it's just more of trying to draw attention away from the fact that for several days, we had a military occupation of part of one of our own cities.
13:33 < RangerZ> not if he was a _Black_ criminal
13:34 <@Dagmar> Then you're just supposed to whip them, right?
13:34 <@Dagmar> I'm not trying to be racist about that, I'm just pointing out that even for the _worst_ type of "socially acceptable" special treatment of 200 years ago, he woudln't have been executed
13:35 <@Dagmar> Cops are *not* allowed to shoot people who are surrendering.
13:35 < RangerZ> thats no fun
13:35 < RangerZ> how else are they suppose to play with their toys
13:35 < RangerZ> :/
13:35 <@Dagmar> THey can go to the shooting range like everyone else does
13:36 <@critch> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RgekconKhwg/U-4zUMpi48I/AAAAAAAAyls/NRKk3Z4yCNU/w550-h500-no/14%2B-%2B1
13:37 < RangerZ> which is sad... b/c Bush is the only way they would ever win the hispanic vote again
13:37 < RangerZ> b/c he got ~40% or something
13:37 < RangerZ> b/c he was FOR immigration reform
13:38 < RangerZ> as 'was' his brother
13:39 < RangerZ> ok... Apparently I have 1 hidden subscriber on youtube
13:39 < RangerZ> thats amusing
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13:39 < RangerZ> gotta wonder what bot did that
13:40 < RangerZ> other than the NSA
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13:41 < RangerZ> oddball: wilpig Dagmar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k-vZKtE0EA
13:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Invisible Inc - Steam Early Access Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:41 < RangerZ> you three like xcom
13:41 < RangerZ> so.... xcom + 1950s spies
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13:46 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG_FCQiKUws
13:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Bizarre State of Copyright - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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14:02 <@Dagmar> Wow.
14:02 <@Dagmar> Sensitivity fail
14:03 <@Dagmar> I was in a hurry this morning so I dint' have time to put product in my hair, so I just threw the tube of glue into my bag and figured I'd fix it before lunch
14:03 <@Dagmar> I jsut went into the bathroom, warmed up the sink, and one of the DBAs was kind of giving me a "look" over my splashin around
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14:04 <@Dagmar> I'm standing there explaining why I'm doing this at work instead of at home... completley not thinking about hte fac that I'm standing there very carefully tidying up my hair in front of a man who is *completely* fucking bald and ten years younger
14:04 <@Dagmar> LOL
14:05 <@Dagmar> To him it must have seemed like "YAY ME LOOK AT ALL MY AWESOME HAIR!"
14:05 <@Dagmar> heheheheheh
14:06 <@critch> Dagmar: is he bald by choice? I was for a few months.
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14:21 <@Dagmar> critch: newp
14:22 < RangerZ> nice
14:22 <@Dagmar> I m so sensitiv an caring and shit
14:22 < RangerZ> did you do your stretches infront of the handicapped stall? and explain you didn't want your legs to cramp up to the guy on crutches?
14:23 <@Dagmar> No, but I have done that before
14:23 < RangerZ> ....
14:23 <@Dagmar> Hey
14:23 <@Dagmar> People in wheelchairs should not come to raves and expect trigger warnings
14:25 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT30hb0w1zI
14:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Homemade Minifridge Air Conditioner - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:26 < RangerZ> wow...
14:26 < RangerZ> so ghetto
14:26 < RangerZ> put put the mini-fridge out the window
14:37 <@SuMo_D> being disabled is a bitch...
14:38 <@SuMo_D> but I have to say Dagmar, one of my funnest memories right after my transplant was going to a goth club with my brother and my ex
14:38 <@SuMo_D> and my walker
14:39 <@SuMo_D> and then the GVHD started and was back in the hospital a week later.... but yeah we had a great time dancing that night
14:51 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3a3XBnMe5Q
14:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Halliburton´s survivaball - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:52 <@SuMo_D> aggregated ameba balls
15:04 <@oddball> failure headline of the day "Man Armed with Crossbow Tries Robbing Gun Store."
15:05 <@Dagmar> Jesus what is WRONG with peoplpe
15:06 <@Dagmar> DERP derp module is close to the upper limit on the number of folders allowed in a directory. Could we have all EMPTY folders in /derpfiles/prd archived to a different location (from which they will be deleted once reviewed by user area). This will give us enough time to restructure the remaining attachments and address the necessary changes in the application to access the files in the new structure.
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15:29 <@oddball> Apparently this is a real DEA patch: http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/10-1.jpg
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16:01 <@Mirage> Anyone with a cat should enjoy this one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q
16:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cat Man Do - Simons Cat - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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17:03 <@wilpig> just gave the cats a "compressed catnip" ball.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/uyxxkkzqaojefgj/2014-08-15%2016.53.59.jpg
17:04 <@wilpig> when they aren't fighting over it.  the fat fucker has gotten super paranoid.  I walk near her and she takes off.  the skinny white one is hyperactive and has picked it up in her front paws and run with it using just her hing legs.
17:04 <@wilpig> hind*
17:04 <@wilpig> funniest fuckin' thing i've seen today
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17:57 <@wilpig> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_q4MozubTJCE/S6m2woF3q-I/AAAAAAAAAF4/hwdaqOxsURQ/s1600/1252548581651.gif
18:16 < aestetix> why the fuck did paypal put up a new design
18:16 < aestetix> it diesn't work
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18:38 <@wilpig> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/wilbur?ref=cnt_dly_img
18:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Wilbur? (at shirt.woot.com)
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21:25 < aestetix> This conference allowed me to put in whatever name I wanted for a bage name
21:25 < aestetix> so I will be called " Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;-- "
21:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
21:25 <@opticron> now now bobby, what have we told you about giving your full name?
21:25 < aestetix> my full name is in there
21:26 < aestetix> Robert Table
21:27 <@wilpig> good ole little bobby tables
21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> holy fuck... the st. louis police are just MAKING UP STORIES now
21:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> :/
21:32 < aestetix> what now
21:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> released video of 2 black guys shop lifting, and that the murdered kid was "is?" the suspect
21:33 < aestetix> so he has a clone?
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> then later stated that the police who pulled over the 2 guys walking, didn't know that they 'matched' the profile of the shoplifters
21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> until... during/after the event
21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I'm like 'during' ... it fucking lasted 30 seconds at most
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22:41 <@Dagmar> Oops
22:41 <@Dagmar> Another incredibly shallow justification that defense lawyers wouldn't even allow before a judge
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22:42 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I noticed that it looked like he had a little box of swishers in his hand... maybe.  Not the $48 box from the police report
22:43 < aestetix> wow
22:43 < aestetix> XMBC is much better than PS3 Media System
22:43 <@Dagmar> Uh yes
22:43 <@Dagmar> PS3 is _very_ picky about what few formats it supports, and as an added bonus is saddled with the XMB interface
22:44 < aestetix> All my video rendering issues just went away
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22:52 < RangerZ> xbox one has actually gotten support for mkv containers and decent algorithms
22:52 < RangerZ> but XBMC is what pretty much invent 'quality' HMPC software
22:52 < RangerZ> and is what M$ took to make the xbox 360 original UI, lol
22:53 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, Sony believes that only "legit" formats should be supported
22:53 <@Dagmar> So... the only way to get shit to play reliably on the PS3 is basically to encode _for_ the damn thing
22:53 < RangerZ> with them, we're fucking lucky they haven't decided that only 'their legit' formats should work
22:54 < RangerZ> which, you're right, you basically have to do
22:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah their support could be narrower, but there's not much room left to pare it down
22:54 <@Dagmar> I was trying to use mine like that originally
22:54 <@Dagmar> Even the windows sharing support is iffy
22:54 <@Dagmar> ...and it's UPnP support is fairly deplorable.
22:54 <@Dagmar> "HERE IS YOUR FLAT LIST OF AVAILABLE MP3S"
22:57 <@Dagmar> Also forget loading your mp3s onto a connected portable media player unless it's Sony's
22:57 <@Dagmar> ...and if your mp3 player supports SDcards, expect that if it does let you copy mp3's to it, they'll be on the far side of the SD wall
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23:06 < aestetix> Ahhhh.
23:07 < aestetix> So that's why PMS sucks
23:07 <@Dagmar> Basically, yes.
23:07 <@Dagmar> I went through all that long ago when I got mine
23:07 < aestetix> I had a ton of issues with it
23:07 < aestetix> And I just set up XMBC, and everything magically worked
23:07 <@Dagmar> MythTV box right next to the damn thing, and not worth the trouble to even try to play the MythTV stuff through the PS3
23:08 < aestetix> Since I assume my WDTV doesn't really care what codec it's playing, I imagine it's just handling the audio and video
23:08 <@Dagmar> WDTVs actually support a reasonable number of formats...
23:09 <@wilpig> reasonable?  that's what you call a fuckton?
23:09 <@Dagmar> ...because people started hacking them into it and WD actually had to keep up
23:09 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yes.  :)
23:09 < aestetix> Right
23:09 <@Dagmar> My standards are "whatever the free software hippies can play"
23:09 <@wilpig> I've hit maybe two formats it doesn't handle
23:09 < aestetix> I figured that my WDTV was not the cause of these issues
23:09 <@Dagmar> If the free software hippies can reliably decode it, companies don't have much excuse
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23:10 < aestetix> Well it's like RangerZ said
23:10 < aestetix> Sony hates the internet and wants it to go away
23:10 < aestetix> Or maybe he said that about Hollywood
23:10 < aestetix> same thing
23:10 <@wilpig> sony loves the internet, they hate the standard connectors you use to get to it
23:10 <@oddball> Silly Dagmar, thinking that the big companies are trying to make the best software for the consumer.
23:11 < aestetix> Sony likes the internet, on their terms
23:11 <@oddball> Sony's the company that keeps inventing proprietary formats and trying to force people to use them.
23:11 <@wilpig> and connectors
23:12 <@wilpig> like the micro usb-b connector on my camera with the extra two pins
23:12 <@oddball> I just realized I may be in trouble...
23:12 <@Dagmar> heh they *sort of* have a reason for that
23:12 <@wilpig> dude.  you married her how long ago?
23:12 <@oddball> I'm going to Dragoncon, but Naienko isn't.  Which means she won't be with me in the dealers' hall to tell me "no."
23:12 <@Dagmar> The MHL cable was saddled with a proprietary codec
23:13 < aestetix> oddball: will they put your legal name all over your badge again?
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23:13 <@oddball> I'll find out!
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23:13 <@Dagmar> ...and since you can't Chromecast locally stored media from the phone and the still want people to be able to play from their phone to their TV, they were stuck with still needing extra pins
23:13 <@oddball> Oh, ran accross the badge for last year.  It was still on the badge, but not nearly as prominant.
23:14 < aestetix> oddball: it does seem like women exist partially to keep men from doing stupid things
23:14 <@wilpig> Dagmar, RangerZ: btw here in a few hours whatever character you have ablinked to me should have access to every ability in bravely default
23:14 < aestetix> except anarchival
23:14 <@Dagmar> aestetix: If that's the case then they're very bad at it because they're the cause of just as many stupid things
23:15 <@oddball> So... I may come home with 2 more kilts, 3 lightsabers, a stack of games, 5 pounds of dice.
23:15 < aestetix> oddball: DragonCon seemed a bit....
23:15 < aestetix> It was like a scifi version of spring break.
23:16 < aestetix> A lot of young kids all discovering this stuff.... it was strange.
23:16 <@oddball> Most folks tend to liken it to Marti Gras, but... yeah.
23:16 < aestetix> Oh yeah that's a good way to put it.
23:16 < aestetix> It seemed more like an outlet for pent-up energy than anything else.
23:16 <@Dagmar> heheh
23:17 <@Dagmar> That's one way of putting it
23:17 < aestetix> It was strange to me.
23:17 <@Dagmar> Just *try* and buy condoms in the hotel gift shop
23:17 <@oddball> There have been many that have said that Comicon is where geeks go to shop, while Dragoncon is where geeks go to party.
23:17 < aestetix> Since the idea of putting on a superhero costume and walking around.... that's every day in SF
23:17 <@Dagmar> Yep
23:17 <@Dagmar> SF goes looney for Halloween
23:17 < aestetix> Well a specific brand of geeks
23:18 < aestetix> I don't get all the references. I mean, I get star wars, and a few other things
23:18 <@oddball> I'm starting to get to the point that I don't recognize a few of the anime cosplays, but I still recognize most of the costumes.
23:19 < aestetix> I haven't really seen anime in over 10 years
23:19 <@oddball> Now... when I ran across someone dressed as Magnum PI one year...
23:19 < aestetix> So I know stuff like cowboy bebop, lain, and eva....
23:20 <@oddball> Honestly? The last few years of anime that's come to the states has sucked.  It's been primarily pokemon clones and Dragonball Z.
23:20 <@oddball> Although, I think things might have started to swing back.
23:21 < aestetix> oh also
23:21 < aestetix> Memories
23:21 < aestetix> It was a 3 episode series that was fucking amazing
23:22 < aestetix> Well at least it seemed amazing at the time
23:22 <@oddball> There was a point where the companies producing anime for the states decided to start going after the fan sub groups... which basically resulted in them eating their young and going out of business.
23:22 < aestetix> But yeah, if you ask me about anime made after like 2002, I'm lost
23:23 <@oddball> There was a shit ton of consolodation in the sub/dub industry, and basically Funimation was left over... who was famous for completely fucking anime series to make them "family friendly."
23:24 <@Dagmar> That's because they're making CGI movies now
23:24 <@Dagmar> There's one wot just came to Netflix
23:24 <@Dagmar> "Harlock: Space Pirate"
23:24 <@oddball> Of course, part of me not watching now is that the "purists" have pretty much won out and most of the anime through streaming etc is subtitle only... which considering that I usually watch it while doing other things on the computer.
23:25 < aestetix> Ohhh and Hellsing.
23:25 < aestetix> That series was awesome.
23:25 <@Dagmar> As detailed as the Final Fantasy movie was, and _utterly_ anime in every way
23:25 <@oddball> Yes... Hellsing was a lot of fun.
23:26 <@oddball> Dagmar: Eh... I tend to go with the definition of anime being "japanese animation," so CGI counts.
23:26 <@oddball> Hell, a large portion of anime has been CGI to one extent or another for years.
23:26 < aestetix> Another series I watched the first half of was Video Girl Ai
23:26 < aestetix> although it got lame
23:27 < aestetix> And I saw the first episode or two of hack sign
23:27 < aestetix> Wow I guess I used to be really into this stuff
23:27 <@oddball> Speaking of which, I still haven't watched all of Claymore.
23:29 <@oddball> Oh, and apparently Voltaire is going to be back again this year.  I'm guessing the con actually came to him or something since he actually announced last year that he was going to take (at least) a year off.
23:29 < aestetix> Is that related to the author in any way?
23:34 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJalcSR8ItE
23:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Robin Williams Tribute NPC Coming to World of Warcraft - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:34 <@oddball> He's a goth/folk/comedy musician out of NYC.  Kind of tricky to explain.  Best thing to do is look up "because I'm evil" on YouTube.
23:34 < RangerZ> apparently he played it a lot
23:35 <@oddball> yep
23:35 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2dnqe8/employees_of_walmart_what_is_the_weirdest_thing/
23:38 <@wilpig> RangerZ: I read something that said he was a notorious trade channel troll
23:38 < RangerZ> they just hinted at that
23:38 < aestetix> It seems like everyone goes to walmart and shits on the floor
23:39 < RangerZ> so Richard Dean Anderson is a big gamer too
23:39 < RangerZ> my friend met him at E3 years ago ~2008 i think
23:39 < RangerZ> and had him on his xbox live account
23:39 < RangerZ> He's since changed it... so not leaking info: but... was: "TheRealMacguyver"
23:40 < RangerZ> macgyver*
23:40 < RangerZ> also... sadly when my two old friends' life peaked... the two of them going to E3
23:40 < RangerZ> lol
23:48 < aestetix> RangerZ: is that like the kid who moves to a city like New York when he's 19, and lasts six months, and when he goes back home tells everyone about the crazy shit he saw in NYC?
23:50 < RangerZ> pretty much
23:51 < RangerZ> one is still working at the crap call center we used to work at
23:51 < RangerZ> and the other wiping state wards' asses at night
23:52 < aestetix> I had a friend like that who was from St. Louis, and moved to Chicago. He was too pretentious to get a job and hung out in cafes acting cool the whole time.
23:52 < aestetix> His money ran out after about 5 months and he went back to St. Louis
23:52 < RangerZ> nvm it was 2006*
23:52 < RangerZ> thats one of the major reasons I pushed myself to get my degree, b/c I didn't want to end up like that
23:53 < aestetix> People don't realize the savings for the movie is supposed to bootstrap you, not sustain you
23:53 < aestetix> You use the money to get a place and some decent clothes, and then market yourself nonstop
23:53 < RangerZ> move*?
23:53 < RangerZ> lol
23:53 < aestetix> right
23:53 < aestetix> It's right up there with people who submit resumes to jobs in other cities
23:54 < aestetix> They don't seem to realize that when a company sees a resume with an address from another state, it goes into the trash.
23:54 < RangerZ> thats actually not that bad, if you're planning on moving
23:54 < aestetix> The only exception I've seen to this are bay area startups
23:54 < RangerZ> but you have to explain that in a cover letter
23:54 < aestetix> Right.
23:54 < aestetix> I'm talking about people who apply for things like clerical work
23:54 <@wilpig> aestetix: not always
23:55 < RangerZ> and you're only talking about jobs out near you
23:55 < RangerZ> a lot of places wouldn't care that much
23:55 <@wilpig> when I applied up here from tn that didn't really matter.  I had what they wanted
23:55 < aestetix> It depends on the job
23:55 < aestetix> For a low level thing, your resume gets tossed.
23:55 < aestetix> If it's something where they are willing to fly you in to interview, and you're willing to relocate, etc
23:56 < aestetix> Then it's different
23:58 < RangerZ> for a long time, I've thought that the postal service should offere a service you can pay for, where you have an address #/code, and anything mailed to that code will get forwarded to where you live
23:58 < RangerZ> so you can keep that code forever
23:58 < RangerZ> if you choose to
23:58 < RangerZ> even if you move
23:58 < RangerZ> but THAT idea got shot down by the "conservatives" in congress
23:58 < RangerZ> :/
23:58 < RangerZ> same with the USPS being a bank again
23:59 < RangerZ> but apparently they might still have legal authority to open bank accounts, which I hope they would use
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