--- Log opened Thu Aug 14 00:00:01 2014 --- Day changed Thu Aug 14 2014 00:00 <@Dagmar> Now all there is to do is wait to see how many people have to clean their keyboards. 00:10 <@CRasH180> good night all 00:10 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16 <@Dagmar> <-- horrible person. 00:17 <@Dagmar> $FB_Friend: "Wal-Mart is now officially the worst place to buy groceries." 00:17 <@Dagmar> "Wrong! Metro News is the worst store in the area for buying groceries." 00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> i would have thought the blood bank would have been worse 00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but alright 00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:19 <@Dagmar> You've never been inside Metro News, have you. 00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> no 00:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah, last time I was there, they had, conservatively, about 3,000 dildos on the lower floor. 00:20 <@Dagmar> Possibly 8,000. 00:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> crazypant's house? 00:20 <@Dagmar> I really coulnd't say much beyond the fact that it was truly an _intimidating_ assortment of rubber dicks. 00:21 <@Dagmar> I think the Smithsonian had fewer Far Side comice up 00:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:27 <@oddball> I remember Ian raiding their comic book bin when the city decided to require porn shops that were open late at night to sell x percentage of "non-porn" stuff. 00:32 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 00:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: LKML: Christopher Barry: OT: Open letter to the Linux World (at lkml.org) 00:33 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: This is not the first time I've seen this expressed, and I doubt it will be the last. 00:34 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed. But this is one of the better written pieces I've seen on the subject so far. 00:34 <@Dagmar> "Kick these fucking carpetbaggers to the curb!" <--- LOOOOL 00:36 <@Dagmar> Just type "Lennart Poettering" into Google and watch what it autocompletes with 00:37 <@Dagmar> Oh, also we had a RHEL rep in the office a few months back 00:37 <@Dagmar> He told us if we wanted to go to RHEL's conference, he could get us pretty much anything related to that we wanted 00:37 <@Bahhumbug> Did you ask for a clue x four? 00:37 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately, he did not understand why I asked for "A few minutes alone with Lennart Poettering" 00:38 <@Bahhumbug> heh 00:38 <@Dagmar> Yes I very brazenly asked that in front of the entire department 00:38 <@Bahhumbug> He's not the one to worry about these days; it's Kay Sievers. 00:38 <@Dagmar> I figure Kay will get the message 00:38 <@Bahhumbug> Kay's as much of a cock as Puttering. 00:39 <@Bahhumbug> Possibnly even more so. 00:40 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 00:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:59 <@Dagmar> I don't get people 00:59 <@Dagmar> Tehres' some dude calling this Ferguson thing "some Montgomery Alabama 1963 bullshit" 01:00 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking he's about 188 years off the mark. 01:00 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord 01:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: Battles of Lexington and Concord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 01:03 <@Dagmar> I'm about to be a dick and say "Oh but wait.. this can't happen to white people" and then link some Oakland videos 01:04 <@Dagmar> This isn't about race. It's about _power_. 01:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> just unfortunately , race = lack of power in a lot of the USA 01:08 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Except that's not the problem here. 01:09 <@Dagmar> ...and that's false correlation in the first place 01:09 <@Dagmar> They don't lack power _because_ they're black 01:09 <@Dagmar> They lack power because they're poor and not connected 01:10 <@Dagmar> Oakland PD and the PD in a lof of other cities did this same shit to all the Occupy people 01:10 <@Dagmar> We've seen it happen repeatedly. 01:10 <@Dagmar> I was willing to bet money there would be tear gas come nightfall and of course there _was_ tear gass. 01:11 <@Dagmar> because it's so perfectly reasonable to use _tear gas_ on a bunch of people who are just standing around with signs. 01:11 <@Dagmar> ...and for the cops to carry enough firepower to engage in mass-murder. 01:11 <@Dagmar> ...against rather likely _unarmed_ citizens. 01:12 <@Dagmar> Sure they've got an armored, rolling, snipers nest with a machine gun on it, but they also have a _shitload_ of automatic rifles 01:12 <@Dagmar> Clearly as many as they could put into hands 01:12 < RangerZ> yep 01:12 <@Dagmar> I would think one or two officers opening fire with those would be +plenty+ to disperse a crowd, wouldn't you? 01:12 <@Dagmar> This is some 1775 shit 01:12 < RangerZ> i was just abreviating 'lack of power' = poor, agree completely 01:13 <@Dagmar> THe police have the power, and they regularly steamroll people with it 01:13 <@Dagmar> So long as the issue is focused on race, there will be *no* progress 01:13 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:14 <@Dagmar> Any concessions they might win based on *race* will not address the *power* problem, in that the gov't is largely running amok. 01:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14 <@Dagmar> ...and focusing on *race* makes everyone who isn't black kind of makes the argument that if it were white people on the streets, this woudln't be happening. 01:14 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 01:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 01:15 <@Dagmar> Except we know for an iron-plated fact that it *does* happen to white people, too. 01:15 <@Dagmar> We've seen it happen at least a half dozen times in major cities since 2000 01:16 <@Dagmar> People get upset, people go out into the streets and protest. Police say "fuck your rights, we run shit here" and start tear gassing, kettling, and just generally arresting everyone they can lay hands on, reporters included. 01:16 <@Dagmar> Rubber bulleting people to the face at point blank range, etc etc 01:17 <@Dagmar> ...which is a little like saying "Hey at least we let you live" 01:17 <@Dagmar> FUCK that. 01:18 <@Dagmar> I'm giving long odds Anonymous will follow through with the threat that was made 01:19 <@Dagmar> Looked like some mac user bluffing, but we'll see in the morning 01:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:19 < RangerZ> what did they threaten? 01:19 <@Dagmar> To take down every web asset the local police and gov't have, and to dox every single police officer on the force there. 01:20 < RangerZ> http://gawker.com/anonymous-backs-off-its-threat-to-dox-ferguson-police-c-1620336931 01:20 < RangerZ> apparently they have backed off that 01:20 < RangerZ> :( 01:20 <@Dagmar> ...which I am sure is now being investigated as "domestic terrorism" 01:20 < RangerZ> that would have been a good show 01:20 <@Dagmar> ...which means the NSA is going to officially be up in everyone's shit presently. 01:21 < RangerZ> yeah 01:21 < aestetix> Dagmar: an actual discussion on race is not black v white 01:21 < aestetix> But irish v italians v germans etc 01:22 < RangerZ> nah 01:22 < aestetix> of course the police do not know that 01:22 < aestetix> they just hate blacls 01:22 < RangerZ> its 'eruopean' vs 'sub saharan africans' 01:22 <@Dagmar> I am pretty sure they'll beat everyone there equally 01:22 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Watch the video that is at the top of that article 01:23 < RangerZ> b/c I'm irish, and no one is going to care if I'm irish or english 01:23 < RangerZ> http://www.operationferguson.cf/ 01:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Anonymous - Operation Ferguson (at www.operationferguson.cf) 01:23 <@Dagmar> The daughter thing is just some idiot who probably didn't even have the sense to onion up that twitter account 01:24 < aestetix> oh boy 01:25 < RangerZ> I'm going to have to sell guy fawkes masks with goggles and gas maskes built into them 01:25 <@Dagmar> I see nothing saying the threats made in the video have been rescinded 01:25 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, the "promise" made in the video 01:26 < RangerZ> yeahh 01:26 <@Dagmar> I really wish these twat kiddies would stop _bluffing_ 01:26 < RangerZ> i didn't watch the video first, b/c I didn't realize it 'was' a video 01:27 < RangerZ> http://gawker.com/preview/anonymous-mark-brown-video-operation-ferguson-missour-1619233440? 01:27 < aestetix> oh boy 01:27 < RangerZ> this one says they got the emails 01:28 < RangerZ> though, they might have just taken them down 01:28 <@Dagmar> This just says it was taken down. 01:28 < aestetix> oh itneresting 01:29 <@Dagmar> We could do that with $50 rented time on a botnet 01:29 < aestetix> the twitter account was suspended 01:29 < aestetix> I wonder why 01:29 <@Dagmar> Of course. 01:29 <@Dagmar> because they're "domestic terrorists" 01:29 < aestetix> uh 01:29 < aestetix> so is dick cheney 01:29 <@Dagmar> Yes he is but he's in power 01:30 <@Dagmar> Someone should get their hands on the ops manuals that instruct police officers in how to do this 01:30 <@Dagmar> That would be a thing to release 01:31 <@Dagmar> They've been doing the "subdividing the crowd into smaller groups" thing all day 01:31 <@Dagmar> That's not something one casually thinks up 01:32 < aestetix> penis 01:32 <@Dagmar> Not in a small town they don't. 01:32 <@Dagmar> I'm fairly fucking suspicious they are actually following an instruction manual from somewhere 01:33 < aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html 01:34 <@Dagmar> Gosh I wonder what color he is 01:34 <@Dagmar> No I don't because I know it doesn't matter 01:36 < RangerZ> one of them was black the other was white AFAIK 01:38 <@Dagmar> Can't find any more live video 01:38 <@Dagmar> Not good 01:40 < RangerZ> http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/ but all the 'live' video they have is just MSNBC streaming that is reapeating the 3hr block they did earlier 01:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: [live] Live Feed for riot and protest in Ferguson, MO. Scanner reports, news links (at www.reddit.com) 01:41 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 01:42 <@Dagmar> It's especially cool that he cops are throwing tear gas at news crews 01:42 < RangerZ> hit the radio press in the backpack with one 01:42 < RangerZ> mustaffa huesain(sp?) 01:42 < RangerZ> which...wtf... they should know better than to AIM THAT SHIT AT A PERSON 01:43 <@Dagmar> Do you think... just maybe... that might not be his real name? 01:43 < RangerZ> he's the guy who did the interview on msnbc, apparently he's local radio crew 01:43 <@Dagmar> Cuz I bet he doesn't want a bunch of armed thugs storming his house tomorrow 01:44 < RangerZ> yeah, no clue, but i wonder if people are clear headed enough to be thinking that clearly 01:45 <@Dagmar> This is why we need a portable Twitchcaster 01:45 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45 < RangerZ> ustream 01:45 < RangerZ> but I agree twitch would be better 01:46 < RangerZ> but I'd take google hangouts 01:46 <@Dagmar> Both if possible, just because if push comes to shove, you'd probably see someone's DNS get jacked 01:46 < RangerZ> thats why I'm thinking google 01:46 < RangerZ> b/c google would NOT be DDOSd or take kindly to its DNS being taken down 01:46 <@Dagmar> Considering that I think Google is about to buy Twitch... 01:48 < RangerZ> yeah, but if they used google hangouts, you'd need to take down 'google.com' which would kill their business 01:48 <@Dagmar> It would effectively turn off the internet for a lot of people 01:48 <@Dagmar> They'd be stuck back in 1995 with their bookmarks.html 01:49 <@Dagmar> Ah ha 01:49 < RangerZ> ? 01:49 <@Dagmar> Welll damn 01:49 <@Dagmar> They've got some ACLU guy talking and he mentioned Occupy but he doesn't seem to be aware the police _did this shit_ to Occupy people as well 01:49 <@Dagmar> You can go see that shit on YouTube still 01:50 < RangerZ> that was b/c they 'changed the laws' to outlaw what OWS was doing 01:50 <@Dagmar> ...and clearly they no longer feel the need to go through that paperwork. 01:51 < RangerZ> I expect "fecal matter to be quickly coming in contact of a spinning rotor system meant to push air " tomorrow 01:51 <@Dagmar> Yep 01:52 <@Dagmar> Cuz chemical weapons against our own people are cool now 01:52 < RangerZ> god help us if another young black male is killed tomorrow 01:52 < RangerZ> (by police) 01:53 < RangerZ> or if ...god forbid... someone else is killed in LA tonight/tomorrow 01:54 <@Dagmar> Good luck with that plan 01:54 <@Dagmar> 'cuz like I told Lindsey, there's been a fatal police shooting about twice a month for awhile now 01:59 < RangerZ> http://consumerist.com/2014/08/12/comcast-spending-110k-on-award-dinner-for-current-fcc-commissioner-doesnt-understand-why-anyone-thinks-thats-a-problem/ 02:00 < RangerZ> cause Fuck You if you aren't a corp. 02:04 <@Dagmar> People should be more concerned about the 400k they're spending on lobbyists 02:05 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720_l3dgbYA 02:05 <@GateKeeper> Title: Al-Jazeera runs from teargas in Ferguson - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:05 < RangerZ> they tear gassed an OBVIOUS journalist 02:06 < RangerZ> with camera, etc 02:06 <@Dagmar> Yep 02:06 < RangerZ> and the chopper was lighting them up 02:06 <@Dagmar> Of course 02:06 <@Dagmar> Isn't this what you would do if you didn't want any witnesses? 02:08 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrziJOe5x0 02:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ferguson police tear gas PEACEFUL protestors - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:08 < RangerZ> i'd fucking get a gas mask if I was there 02:09 < RangerZ> she's going OFF @2min 02:14 < RangerZ> ACLU should just give out tear gas masks, just to say "Fuck you" to the police 02:16 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAvU65Cbw4g 02:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: POLICE STATE IN FERGUSON, MO (8.13.14) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:16 < RangerZ> good quality of the first shots 02:20 < RangerZ> HAHAHA that mustaffa heusien from KARG ... thats a christian religious radio station out of Oklahoma 02:41 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 02:46 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 03:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:42 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 03:47 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/porn-in-church-woman-caught-breasts_n_5671588.html 04:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Woman Confesses To Filming Porn In Church After Tipster Recognizes Her Breasts (at www.huffingtonpost.com) 04:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL 04:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> "According to detectives she had made similar films on the internet under the name "Babsi" and it had been easy to see that she was also the young woman in the church." they were like ... no one else in Austria has breasts that giggle like that... 04:43 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 04:47 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12 < aestetix> penis 05:12 < aestetix> man, these police.... 05:12 < aestetix> RangerZ|Laptop: this is what happens when we turn the local police into a national militia for the government 05:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 05:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 05:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> this is the problem with us not having a min. req. about how people should be treated/ how they should live, etc. 05:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> we need to decide what min. level of living standard is sustainable & appropriate for everyone, then figure out how to achieve that 05:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> if so many people weren't always in fear of going hungry or fear of being harassed by drug dealers, etc... we might be able to actually address a lot of problems 05:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> the fact that I'm earning the median income of a HS graduate , and I consider myself fucking broke all the time... 05:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States 05:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 05:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> "European American" thats a term I don't know if I've ever seen before... 05:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 05:49 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCeFbK-WEVE 06:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: [VivifxAMV] Ship Happens [Best Comedy Otakon 2014] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> you should finish watching it... you might want to share it at work, lol 06:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 06:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 06:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 06:50 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:39 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> lies, it isn't morning until i go to sleep and wake up, my mommy told me so... 07:45 <@Dolemite> Well when I kicked your mommy out of my bed about an hour ago, she said it was morning 07:45 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 07:46 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.11] has joined #se2600 07:50 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:51 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.11] has quit [Client Quit] 07:51 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.11] has joined #se2600 07:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ignotus-sdf] by ChanServ 07:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> i hope you fucking paid this time, you fucking cheap ass bastard 07:54 <@Dolemite> No, you could say that I 'stiffed her' 07:57 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: http://vivifx.tumblr.com/post/94700391522/here-it-is-the-idea-for-this-amv-came-from-two 07:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vivifx to the Rescue! (at vivifx.tumblr.com) 08:06 <@wilpig> aestetix: http://williamshatner.tumblr.com/post/94672607780/googles-single-sign-on-catch-22 08:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: WILLIAM SHATNER — Google's Single Sign On Catch 22 (at williamshatner.tumblr.com) 08:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 08:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 08:25 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37 <@wilpig> wow... http://cah.tumblr.com/post/92749251475/last-winter-we-launched-a-rather-risky-promotion 08:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cards Against Humanity: The Tumblr (at cah.tumblr.com) 08:37 <@wilpig> so that 12 days of christmas thing they did a while back was finally solved and it was seriously involved. 09:00 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 09:05 -!- lpr0lpd [~lpr0lpd@37.130.225.34] has quit [] 09:12 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:42 <@Dagmar> Sooo... That shit in ferguson definitely went down as expected last night 09:43 <@Dagmar> This morning they appear to be claiming they used tear gas because people threw _molotov cocktails_ at them 09:43 <@Dagmar> ANyone see any reports of police burned and disfigured horribly?.. No? 09:44 < scoob> Are they making statements? 09:45 < scoob> Caught up on twitter before work 09:45 <@Dagmar> Kind of hard to make statements when you've chased all the reporters away 09:47 <@Dagmar> MSNBC has a picture of a guy with dreads holding something on fire, but it could easily be him about to return a tear gas canister 09:47 <@Dagmar> It doesn't look like a molotov to me 09:48 < scoob> Overnight someone tweeted a photo of a 'failed molotov' 09:48 <@Dagmar> The problem is one of timelinees 09:49 <@Dagmar> From what I can tell, the cops just plain planned to use tear gas an hour after nightfall 09:49 <@Dagmar> Like one moment we're seeing reporters talking about being "evacuated" from the area and not being happy about it, and then ten minutes later we see Al Jazeera having tear gas thrown *at them* 09:56 <@Dagmar> It's practically standard procedure now. Subdivide the crowds into smaller and smaller groups through the use of blockades as the people move about so there's no clear nucleus for people to take courage from, get rid of anyone with a camera, and then at nightfall, bring out the weapons and chase off the tiny groups through violence. 10:03 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:08 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 10:09 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: in some ways, throwing acid on the face of the original offending officer sounds like ultimately the best solution. Mark the murderer for life. 10:10 <@Corydon76-home> He'll quickly move away, knowing he's been marked, and the protesters go away 10:11 <@Dagmar> Personally, I think he should get the molotov cocktail 10:11 <@Dagmar> ...because he straight up _murdered_ a kid 10:11 <@Corydon76-home> Immolated? 10:11 <@Dagmar> ...and then his cowardice turned an entire fucking town upside down 10:11 <@Dagmar> Turn him into a little pile of ashes. 10:11 <@Corydon76-home> I doubt the murderer is in part of crowd control. He's likely on desk duty for the duration 10:12 <@Dagmar> Seeing as how they're still trying to pretend he did nothing wrong, he's probably on paid leave. 10:12 <@Dagmar> ...and being coached and drilled on "his story". 10:18 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:19 <@ignotus-sdf> In other news, my wife watched a bike cop zip across 4 lanes of interstate traffic to pull over a crotch rocket rider for no reason other than getting on the interstate (below the speed limit) 10:20 <@Dagmar> Well, he'll likely get out of the ticket except... he's riding a crotch rocket so he was probably doing 120mph somewhere last night 10:20 < scoob> I like to think the cop was on a bicycle 10:20 < scoob> and peddling furiously 10:20 <@Dagmar> That would make the ticket EASY to get out of 10:21 <@Dagmar> "Your honor, the officer was on a fixie. How fast could I have *possibly* been going?" 10:27 <@ignotus-sdf> LOL! 10:28 <@ignotus-sdf> http://www.kidscarsonline.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/o/policebike3_3.jpg 10:28 <@brimstone> ignotus-sdf: you gonna be at dc404 saturday? 10:32 <@ignotus-sdf> prolly not. I work Saturdays. :( 10:34 <@brimstone> :/ 10:35 <@brimstone> next atl2600 i suppose 10:37 <@ignotus-sdf> yup. My wife is stoked. I will be hard to miss... black utilikilt and HFC shirt. Bald. I might wear my tartan hat, we'll see. 10:43 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 10:45 <@oddball> interesting news about the shooting in Ferguson. Apparently the officer involved had "swelling on his face" as evidence that there was, indeed a struggle. http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Chief-Officer-in-fatal-shooting-suffered-facial-injuries-271079471.html 10:45 <@GateKeeper> 'Title: Chief: Officer in fatal shooting sustained facial injuries | \r KMOV.com St. Louis (at www.kmov.com)' 10:47 <@oddball> I'm still not happy with the story that Brown attacked the cop as he was trying to exit the cruiser, but it also causes issues with the friend's testimony that they weren't doing anything and had their hands up when he was shot. 10:51 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:55 * shapr hops cheerfully 10:55 <@shapr> y0 y0, wassup mah homies? 10:58 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: That assumes the officer wasn't slugged following the incident 10:59 <@oddball> true 11:01 * ignotus-sdf is sitting on a horrible retort to that. 11:02 <@ignotus-sdf> Screw it. You can take it. 11:02 <@ignotus-sdf> "Guess the officer found War Machine." (too soon?) 11:03 <@oddball> cop isn't a bullet riddled corpse, so... 11:04 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure we'll figure out when and why the slugging occurred. Whether it was an attempt at a coverup, or another officer went after him for shooting a kid... 11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> When I was a kid, cops were actually decent. Now I cringe when I see them. 11:04 <@ignotus-sdf> Even when they are trying to be nice. 11:05 <@Corydon76-home> I haven't seen any issues with the current group of Nashville police. 11:05 <@oddball> nah, you just know better now. 11:05 <@Dagmar> oddball: Or, someone else in the department just rocked that jaw later because he up and murdered a kid 11:05 <@Corydon76-home> However, remember that Nashville cops have a history, and we're 20-30 years beyond a massive corruption cleanup 11:06 <@Dagmar> Shooting an unarmed person to death is _not_ a legally acceptable response to even a suckerpunch 11:06 <@ignotus-sdf> Dagmar: You are assuming the premise of honor and decency. I simply don't see that anymore. 11:06 <@oddball> And if a cop wanted to be truly currupt, they'd move to one of the small town departments. 11:07 <@oddball> Dagmar: actually, it very much can be. 11:07 <@Dagmar> ...but i'm sure they're very carefully coaching the officer on what to say 11:07 <@Corydon76-home> ignotus-sdf: I assume the reason Nashville cops are so well-behaved is that there's still the spectre of past corruption that haunts them, so they stamp it out whenever there's even a hint of it 11:07 <@Dagmar> Up to and including roleplay training 11:07 <@Dagmar> lol 11:07 <@Dagmar> No, there's still plenty of shitty Nashville cops 11:07 <@ignotus-sdf> That explains a lot around here. I had a cop in a small town try to lock me up in front of my kids. Claimed I had no license. Hid and made the other cop clean it up when he found out I had a VETERAN'S license. 11:08 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I'm fortunate, then, not to have run across any 11:08 <@oddball> Yeah... there are still a number of cops in Nashville that are lying scum. 11:08 <@Dagmar> We at least got rid of one lying sack of shit 11:08 <@Dagmar> He now works in NOLA 11:09 * ignotus-sdf coughs... 11:09 <@ignotus-sdf> Sounds like a "promotion". 11:09 <@oddball> I remember my dad telling me that he actually pushed a couple of his cases to trial in large part to make sure that another 12 average citizens would learn that. 11:10 <@oddball> ignotus-sdf: The city is better as a whoel to be rid of that asshole. 11:10 <@ignotus-sdf> My first traffic ticket was dismissed because the cop was pulling over girls trying to have sex with them (I had long hair at the time, and it was at night) 11:10 <@oddball> And, well, NOLA is fucked up enough that it doesn't really affect them. :p 11:10 <@brimstone> ignotus-sdf: that's a terrible way to get out of a ticket 11:10 <@ignotus-sdf> oddball: Then yay for the city. anything positive works... 11:11 <@Dolemite> Serpas is already dealing with a cover-up in NOLA 11:11 <@oddball> It was funny how the local news suddenly discovered that he was a sack of shit and police moral was in the toilet because of him a week or two after he left. 11:11 <@ignotus-sdf> brimstone: LOL. That judge kicked back about 40 some odd tickets that morning. I think they either jailed or fired him, dunno which. 11:12 <@oddball> Cops don't get jailed. THey get paid vacations. 11:12 <@ignotus-sdf> point taken. 11:13 <@ignotus-sdf> Much like high level executives and their platinum parachutes. 11:13 <@Corydon76-home> Well, they sometimes get jailed. But they have to go WAY off the reservation for that 11:13 <@oddball> Although, he may have gotten into shit because he failed to meet his quota-I mean his "profile" was "in bad shape." 11:13 <@Dagmar> oddball: Don't forget that they weree bringing numbers down by reclassificiation 11:14 <@Dagmar> Like, if the rape didn't involve at least thirty guys it was just filed under "assault" 11:14 <@oddball> right 11:14 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 11:19 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31 <@oddball> heh... wow... here's a video of some cops clearly dropping smoke at the feet of a news crew. http://boingboing.net/2014/08/14/video-of-ferguson-police-gassi.html 11:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Video of Ferguson police gassing news crew and dismantling their equipment - Boing Boing (at boingboing.net) 11:34 <@Dagmar> Yeah I was watching live streams last night because it's much easier to tell what happened in realtime than it is to piece it together later 11:34 <@oddball> How much you want to bet at least part of this is "yay! we cane play with all those cool military toys we got!" 11:34 <@Dagmar> That shit was ridiculous last night 11:34 <@Dagmar> oddball: Oh I'm sure they intend to blame some of this on "insufficient training" like they did with that guy who was shot in the head at very short range in Oakland last year 11:35 <@Dagmar> ...with a canister weapon that is _never_ supposed to be fired _at_ people. 11:37 <@oddball> ah yes... "insufficient training." That excuse right next to "outdated training/documentation." 11:39 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 11:41 <@Dagmar> I really think they were working from an ops manual on dealing with civil unrest last night 11:41 <@Dagmar> I would *love* to see that published 11:41 <@Dagmar> I do not think some podunk force would be able to do this quite so handily without outside help instruction. 11:42 <@Dagmar> er help or instruction 11:43 <@Dagmar> I think they need to fire every last cop in that town 11:43 <@Dagmar> The entire police force 11:43 <@Dagmar> ...including the police chief who has been in front of cameras wringing his hands about how terrible this all is. 11:43 <@Dagmar> He is the one ultimately giving the orders to suppress news reporting. 11:43 <@Dagmar> I don't give a screaming purple fuck what he thinks his reasoning is. 11:44 <@Dagmar> Whether he's a tool or a liar, the outcome is the same. This shit should never be allowed or tolerated in America. 11:45 <@oddball> It's a small town, but I wouldn't consider it "podunk." It's a poor suburb of St. Louis. 11:46 <@oddball> And this is why folks have been screaming about the militarization of the police for a few years now. They have to justify owning/maintaining that equipment/training. 11:54 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, and Ferguson is in St. Louis County, so there's probably a good bit of police from the county there. 11:55 <@oddball> Don't know if they're borrowing forces from the city of St. Louis. 11:58 <@Corydon76-home> As I said elsewhere, the default action in a case like this should be dissolution of the police unit, with all officers of that unit called to city hall to justify their continued employment 11:58 <@Corydon76-home> Do that a couple of times, and the cops will keep theirs in-line. 11:59 <@oddball> Oh god, the fight with the police union would be epic. 12:02 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure the city can survive a couple days without cops 12:03 <@oddball> Hell, the unions have managed to get cops their jobs back when it was quite clear that they needed to have zero authority over a hamster, much less over the general public. 12:04 <@shapr> HAMSTERS YAY 12:04 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, but that's usually due to the police administration abusing their authority 12:04 <@Corydon76-home> In the case of a small town, with one unit, everybody, even the police chief, needs to justify their continued employment 12:05 <@Corydon76-home> Because a fuckup of that nature usually is endemic to the entire force. They're not training right, they're not mentoring right... 12:05 <@Corydon76-home> Time to throw the whole operation out and start anew. 12:07 <@Corydon76-home> So you either show why you weren't part of the problem, or you find yourself another job 12:09 <@oddball> And then the city would have a wrongful termination lawsuit for every cop on the force on their hands. 12:09 <@oddball> Because there's no way the union would sit back and let that happen. Even if they failed. 12:10 <@ignotus-sdf> We should do that in politics, too. 12:10 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: every public servant should be held to a higher standard, because they're paid with taxpayer money 12:12 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14 <@oddball> Oh, I don't disagree, but if they were held to even the same standard as the rest of us schlubs, we wouldn't have this issue. 12:15 <@oddball> It's been proven time and time again that a cop can straight up murder someone and get "punished" with paid vacation. 12:15 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: you mean the same standard to which we hold ourselves 12:16 <@Corydon76-home> The problem is that cops _do_ have the same standard that most workplaces have 12:16 <@oddball> bullshit 12:16 <@Corydon76-home> No, hear me out. 12:16 <@oddball> If I killed someone while on the job, I'd be fired on my way to jail. 12:17 <@Corydon76-home> How many utterly incompetent idiots have you found yourself working alongsides? 12:17 <@oddball> This isn't incompetence. 12:17 <@ignotus-sdf> It's true. but having standards and living up to it from fear of consequence are two wholly different things. 12:17 <@Corydon76-home> and yet, your workplace tolerated their continued employment, why? Because they have low standards 12:17 <@opticron> we tend to fire the morons 12:18 <@Corydon76-home> opticron: Really? I thought they all worked in technical support 12:19 <@oddball> If I started screaming at everyone I talked to and threatening them, I would full well expect the company to fire me. 12:19 <@Dolemite> There's incompetence, and then there's dereliction of duty and/or severe lapse in judgement. As an axe-slinger at Vanderbilt I can tell you that the former is nearly impossible to get someone fired for, but the latter two are much easier to fire for. 12:19 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: the difference is that your job isn't built around wielding a weapon and confrontation 12:19 <@shapr> wilpig: did you decide it was the CPU that was failing? 12:19 <@opticron> Corydon76-home, they keep firing them (even the compentent ones), it's a continuous process 12:20 <@wilpig> it was 12:20 <@Dolemite> And I have to agree with oddball - what would normally be the one thing you'd get fired for in the workplace ends up being what results in a paid vacation for a cop. 12:20 <@oddball> Dolemite: And if someone did something that embarrassed Vandy? 12:20 <@wilpig> and it was just replaced 12:20 <@Dolemite> oddball: Probably depends on how public the embarassment 12:20 <@oddball> That hit the national news? 12:21 <@Dolemite> Constance Gee didn't lose her job after talking about smoking pot in the Chancellor's Residence... though her contract didn't get renewed 12:22 <@Dolemite> So she wasn't fired immediately - just not retained at the renewal period 12:22 <@Dolemite> Is there someone else you had in mind? 12:22 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, what if someone messed with the settings of vmware and caused a bunch of machines to suddenly go haywire, and Dagmar had to fix vmware. Would that person get fired? 12:22 <@Corydon76-home> (The answer is, no, he didn't) 12:22 <@oddball> No, I was thinking of cops that made national news and were still working for the same force. 12:23 <@opticron> that person would get murdered by dagmar, then dagmar would get fired for on-premesis murder 12:23 -!- Bahhumbug_ [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600 12:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug_] by ChanServ 12:23 <@Corydon76-home> I hear of examples that aren't just incompetence, but could be outright sabotage at Vandy, and they're not fired. 12:24 <@Dolemite> There's a huge difference between dropping a bunch of production VMs and ending someone's life 12:24 -!- Bahhumbug_ is now known as Bahhumbug 12:24 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: not when police officers know they may have to end lives on a daily basis. It's why they carry a gun on a daily basis 12:25 <@Corydon76-home> The difference between a good shoot and a bad shoot is the investigation afterwards 12:25 <@Corydon76-home> Just like the difference between someone fucking up a server intentionally and fucking it up because they don't know any better is the investigation 12:26 <@Dolemite> There shouldn't be any shooting at all unless there's a clear threat. I guess Fergeson, MO, has simply hired George Zimmerman. 12:27 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: and there shouldn't be any fucking up a server unless there's a clear reason to make a change 12:27 <@oddball> Honestly? There's damn near zero info out there about whether the shooting was legit or not. 12:28 <@Dolemite> No, there shouldn't, but if you are ending a life then there should be a much stricter standard for making that decision. 12:28 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: here's the difference. The cops assume a good shoot and want proof to the contrary. The public assumes a bad shoot and wants proof to the contrary 12:28 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: should be. Isn't. 12:29 <@Corydon76-home> As I said, cops should be held to a higher standard, not the same low standard that employers usually have 12:30 <@Dolemite> I misread and thought you said it should be the same as everybody else 12:30 <@Corydon76-home> No, I'm saying they ARE held to the same low standard. 12:30 <@Corydon76-home> They SHOULD be held to a higher standard 12:31 <@Dolemite> Yes, that is correct. They should be. 12:31 <@shapr> I hold myself to a higher standard. 12:32 <@Corydon76-home> I think everybody in here holds themselves to a higher standard 12:32 <@Corydon76-home> It's precisely why we try to better ourselves by learning new things 12:38 < dasunt> Lets make sure I understand pings. 12:38 < dasunt> I have a device at x.x.x.16 12:38 < dasunt> I ping x.x.x.16. 12:38 < dasunt> I disconnect the network cable. 12:38 < dasunt> Should I get ping responses after the disconnection? 12:39 <@Corydon76-home> Only those still in transit 12:39 <@Dolemite> Not unless it's connected via wifi ;) 12:39 <@Corydon76-home> But no, you shouldn't 12:39 < dasunt> Weird. 12:39 <@brimstone> dasunt: are you on .16 when you ping out? 12:39 < dasunt> brimstone: Nope. 12:39 <@brimstone> you didn't plug the right .16 then :) 12:40 < dasunt> I think I have some sort of duplicate IP address on this network, which occasionally disables its NIC. 12:40 <@Corydon76-home> Another reason why you might get responses is that there's a redundant link, which was previously shut off with STP 12:40 <@brimstone> os x and linux systems will fight to the death for an IP 12:40 <@brimstone> microsoft systems will gladly give it up 12:40 < dasunt> This is an embedded device. Not even sure of the OS. :( 12:42 <@brimstone> perhaps a microsoft system is also .16 and was hiding on the network? 12:43 < dasunt> Hmmm. 12:43 < dasunt> Now, nothing. 12:44 < dasunt> Weird. 12:56 <@oddball> Oh... well... fuck. I'm now being told that the EMT didn't arrive on the scene of the Brown shooting for 3 fucking hours. I wonder when the call was finally made? 13:03 <@ignotus-sdf> dasunt: There's this cool little thing called WireShark... or you could probe for the MAC addy. We have had dupes here. 13:15 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: you see that Detroit is underwater? 13:15 <@Corydon76-home> (and I'm not talking about debt) 13:16 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/13/1321381/-MI-GOV-Rick-Snyder-s-I-Feel-Your-Pain-schtick-goes-very-very-wrong 13:18 <@ignotus-sdf> Joe Louis Arena must have defrosted. 13:18 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Yep. One of my cousins left one of the badly hit areas before it got really bad. 13:19 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 13:20 < dasunt> So the mystery gets deeper. 13:20 < dasunt> When I am connected through a little 5 port switch, and do a quick "arp -a", I get one physical address for .16 13:21 < dasunt> That's two devices connected to the switch - the laptop, and the embedded device. 13:21 <@brimstone> no uplink? 13:21 < dasunt> When I connect the embedded device to the LAN, and do a quick "arp -a", I get a different physical address. 13:21 < dasunt> brimstone: No uplink. 13:22 < dasunt> Do physical addresses change depending on how they are accessed? 13:23 <@brimstone> nope 13:23 < dasunt> Not even if I'm going through a gateway? 13:23 <@brimstone> unplug the device from the lan, wait a few minutes, then arp -a 13:23 <@brimstone> dasunt: you wouldn't see the MAC address for a device not in your subnet 13:23 <@brimstone> MAC addresses work on the layer under IP addresses 13:24 < dasunt> Okay, that's what I was wondering. 13:27 <@Corydon76-home> Physical addresses don't change, but it's possible 1) for your device to have multiple addresses, depending upon the number of interfaces, and 2) it's possible for a device to take a user-specified hardware address temporarily though software 13:28 <@Corydon76-home> Not all devices support software-specified hardware address changes, though 13:30 <@brimstone> that's super illegal through, just ask Aaron Swartz 13:31 <@Corydon76-home> Intent is the issue, there. You can change it if you're trying to ensure interop, not to evade a security prohibition 13:31 <@brimstone> just like lockpicks and guns 13:32 <@Corydon76-home> Yep 13:33 <@Corydon76-home> A lot of consumer gateway devices permit setting the WAN address to the same MAC as a customer's PC that was previously directly connected to an uplink 13:40 < dasunt> Well, I've gotten distracted with a printing issue. 13:40 < dasunt> :p 13:57 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 13:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 13:57 * benthemeek clears throat 13:58 <@benthemeek> So apparently a few knuckleheads made so much noise at the last JJ's meeting a couple of people complained and tried to get us kicked out. 13:58 <@wilpig> lol 13:58 * benthemeek thinks at the next meeting we all need to harness the inner five year old and be more productive 13:58 <@wilpig> who were they? and that's happened before. remember notlarry and him "flying" his helicopter? 13:59 <@wilpig> iirc he had it strapped to something heavy so it couldn't take off, but it was spinning, etc 13:59 <@benthemeek> Im not sure, it just came up in conversation with Dru last night about phreaknic business 13:59 <@Corydon76-home> JJ's is unlikely to kick anybody out 14:00 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: we've gotten close 14:00 <@benthemeek> Yeah they didnt do anything, but if we are loud/offensive enough to generate complaints from other patrons I think we might be doing it wrong :) 14:00 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: GeekNIC 3.0 dates and location have been announced while you were on vacation. 14:00 <@benthemeek> Already added to the calendar :) 14:00 <@Dolemite> w00t! 14:01 <@benthemeek> provided priscillas school schedule works out we will defintly be coming 14:01 <@Dolemite> sweet 14:03 <@benthemeek> I also added my voice to the turn the site on now, dont wait for the webstore vote 14:03 <@benthemeek> hopefully Dru will have that done today 14:06 <@Dolemite> Just wait. Someone else that he knows will die. 14:06 <@Dolemite> Hopefully crazypants is next! 14:06 <@Corydon76-home> You watch. She'll survive us all. 14:07 <@Dolemite> Her and the cockroaches in the end 14:07 <@wilpig> and twinkies 14:07 <@Dolemite> don't say twinkies around Corydon76-home 14:08 <@wilpig> those are twinks, not twinkies 14:08 <@ignotus-sdf> I don't even know what crazypants looks like, and that is still an image I do not want. 14:08 <@wilpig> I gotta work on the hike part of the geeknic site. it is okay but no context yet 14:09 <@wilpig> http://geeknic.info/#donttouchmetheredolemite/3 14:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.info) 14:14 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@78.sub-174-237-4.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 14:18 <@wilpig> http://www.ticketmaster.com/Oddball-Comedy-Curiosity-Festival-tickets/artist/1883447?c=EML_LN_364527&camefrom=EMLN_364527 14:19 <@wilpig> oddball: ^ 14:19 <@Dolemite> awesome 14:19 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/13/washington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/ 14:20 <@Corydon76-home> As I said, dissolve the police department and make them all justify their jobs to city hall 14:20 <@Dagmar> Fuck that. *Fire* every last one of them. 14:20 <@Dagmar> If they "dissolve" the PD, those people can apply for unemployment benefits. 14:21 <@Corydon76-home> They can apply for UE if they're fired, too 14:21 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@23.sub-174-237-9.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 14:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 14:21 <@Dagmar> MO handles it differently from TN? 14:21 <@Dagmar> If you're fired here, you can't collect unemployment, 14:21 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: never stopped me 14:21 <@Dagmar> You have to lose your job "through no fault of your own". 14:22 <@Corydon76-home> I never collected because once I saw the prospective benefits, I quickly scrounged around to find another job 14:22 <@Corydon76-home> Their benefits wouldn't have covered my mortgage, let alone other bills or food 14:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, I've done it once... and the employer was shirty enough to try and lie, which by the reaction of the people at the agency is fairly damn common. 14:23 <@Dagmar> I was standing there with my letter of termination, and what they tried to tell the bureau was something _entirely_ other than what I had _in writing_. 14:23 <@Corydon76-home> Right, you have to appeal the decision, at which point, the employer gives up, because they don't want to spend any time arguing with you in front of a commission 14:24 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@78.sub-174-237-4.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:24 <@Dagmar> Well, apparently so many appeals are successful they don't even blink. 14:24 <@wilpig> Dagmar: employers lie all the time. do you remember me having to deal with that when I started at vandy? 14:24 <@Dagmar> They just go "okay" and tick the box on the form. 14:24 <@Corydon76-home> "No fault of your own" usually just means that you didn't quit 14:24 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Yeah I know 14:24 <@wilpig> my old boss lied through his fucking teeth so they wouldn't pay me my unemployment 14:25 <@Corydon76-home> Or that you didn't commit some act with the intent of forcing them to fire you 14:25 <@Dagmar> I felt a little silly... I was asking what forms I needed to fill out to start the appeals process and the dude was just "Don't bother. Here's the paperwork you need. Contact the agency twice a month etc etc your first check will arrive in x to x days" 14:26 <@wilpig> I appealed and lost, twice 14:26 <@Dagmar> I take it you didn't get the reasons for your termination in writing? 14:26 <@wilpig> just reinforced my belief that honest people get fucked by the system 14:26 <@wilpig> I had two reasons 14:26 <@wilpig> and neither were what they cited to the unemployment people 14:27 <@Dagmar> You had these _in writing_? 14:27 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: you should have sued him for hostile work environment 14:27 <@Dagmar> There's two things I have learned to make sure are in your hands on the last day... reason for termination signed by a manager, and the final paycheck. 14:27 <@Dagmar> ...and you can give them 24 hours on the last paycheck. 14:28 <@wilpig> I had the conversations between me and the boss about what I would have to do in order to keep my job. then those conditions weren't ever allowed to happen I was terminated immediately 14:28 <@Dolemite> Couldn't get the whole thing your mouth, eh? 14:28 <@wilpig> in the end i'm laughing because he's eventually gonna end up in pound me int he ass prison 14:28 <@Dagmar> It's truly just shitty when an employer pulls that because as far as I know it costs them absolutely _nothing_. 14:29 <@Dagmar> YAY FOR BIG MAN'S BUTTFUCKING PRISON! 14:29 <@wilpig> they've already paid the insurance. it costs them nothing except for higher premiums. my old boss had fired so many people he was paying the max amount anyway so having mine pay out would have costed him nothing 14:29 <@wilpig> he was pissed that I filed for unemployment when I was given a severance package 14:30 <@wilpig> unemployment office said severance didn't matter. I was fired and out of work and was entitled to unemployment while I looked for work 14:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah my little stint at ConsumerDepot ended rather abruptly and I made them give me reasons in writing 14:30 <@Dagmar> ...because Fikes is a damn liar. 14:30 <@Dagmar> ...and I was not suprised. 14:31 <@Dagmar> They were upset that "my heart wasn't in the job" 14:31 <@shapr> aw 14:31 <@Dagmar> ...and the whole time I was like "I'm working for fraudsters and there's at least two other types of crime going on here as well." 14:31 <@Dolemite> ROFL, they actually said that about a job working at Consumer Depot? 14:32 <@Dagmar> Yes. They were irked because I was doing job interviews elsewhere. 14:32 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm thinking "yes, making more than several of you put together so of course I'm interviewing." 14:32 <@Dagmar> Very, very illegal mexicans doing work on the building 14:32 <@Dagmar> Timesheet fraud. 14:33 <@Dagmar> Some blackmail here and there. 14:33 <@Dagmar> The place is basically a nightmare. 14:33 <@Dagmar> Not to mention engaging in rather epic levels of fraud using eBay 14:33 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Read the email I just forwarded you and laugh 14:34 <@Dagmar> It just reaffirmed by belief that when you find a corrupt business, it's never _just one_ crime that's going on. 14:34 <@wilpig> oh I did. lemme respond to it! 14:35 <@Dolemite> I already responded to her 14:35 <@wilpig> damnit. 14:36 <@wilpig> "i'm sorry that this isn't going to work for you or us. we've already reached a deal with and they're sending us a crate of their new product. we can't willingly agree to help their competition. good luck to you!" 14:37 <@Dolemite> Frankly I'm wondering why a technical writer would be looking at it to actually use herself 14:40 <@ignotus-sdf> SpamGirl sent me an email... something about hurrying up because she was a board. I don't have time for lumber romance. 14:43 < aestetix> sigh 14:44 < aestetix> up until 6 doing database stuff, only to get a wakeup call at 11 for what turns out to be someone else's issue 14:44 <@ignotus-sdf> I can name that tune in 3 notes. 14:44 * shapr sings the SEP song 14:47 < aestetix> no seriously 14:47 < aestetix> is it that hard to look at the monitoring tools and say "oh, the issue is with that function" 14:47 < aestetix> because that's all I fucking did 14:50 < aestetix> shapr: I sing that song a lot 15:01 -!- critch [~critch@smart.drunkenlogic.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:03 -!- critch [~critch@smart.drunkenlogic.com] has joined #se2600 15:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o critch] by ChanServ 15:08 <@shapr> What's the opposite of the SEP song? 15:11 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:13 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: gnos PES eht 15:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@23.sub-174-237-9.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24 <@shapr> psh 15:33 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24.sub-174-237-14.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 15:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 15:36 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@89.sub-174-237-10.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 15:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24.sub-174-237-14.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:41 -!- SuMo_D_ [~sumo_d@89.sub-174-237-10.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> PES song? 15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... sorry... that was late, and bad joke all wrapped in one 15:57 <@shapr> heh 16:08 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 16:12 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 <@eryc> what is the SEP song 16:21 <@ignotus-sdf> What's the PN Twitter? 16:23 <@oddball> huh... apparently Davidson County no longer issues wheel tax stickers. 16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, they had to change the law from the legislature, so they could do a single sticker for both taxes 16:26 <@Corydon76-home> which means you now have the pleasure of scraping off 10 years of previous stickers 16:26 <@Corydon76-home> Or however long it's been since they changed the plates 16:27 <@oddball> I think it's been 4 or 5 16:27 <@Corydon76-home> You're about to find out 16:27 <@oddball> I'm of the opinion that if the county wheel tax is over twice that of the state's, at least they can give me a stupid sticker for paying it. 16:27 <@oddball> Do I have to scrape it off? 16:28 <@Corydon76-home> That's what the instructions are 16:28 <@oddball> grumble grumble grumble. 16:28 <@Corydon76-home> I got to do it in March 16:28 <@oddball> Fuck 'em... if I get pulled over by a cop telling me I've have to do it, I'll do it. 16:29 <@wilpig> ignotus-sdf: @phreaknic 16:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: you're assuming we're actually having a PN this year 16:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> you optimist 16:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 16:29 <@Corydon76-home> When I did it, I went ahead and scraped off the state tax stickers, too, so it's nice and flat now 16:30 <@Corydon76-home> The edges of those stickers accumulate a ton of dirt 16:30 <@oddball> yes they do 16:32 <@Corydon76-home> While you're at it, you could probably take out a sliver of that barcode on your license plate... enough to prevent the mobile scanners from reading your plate 16:35 <@Corydon76-home> I'm pretty sure that's how they work. It's a lot simpler putting in a long range scanner than it is to accommodate sufficient intelligence to translate printed letters and numbers back into ASCII 16:36 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 16:40 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:42 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: I like that you have the past talks in the feed. We have viewing homework now. Other folks watch reality TV. We watch Con talks. You should have seen my wife's friends the first time she explained how their phone could be hacked, and their locks picked. >:) 16:42 <@ignotus-sdf> In detail. 16:42 <@ignotus-sdf> I think they are scarred for life. 16:45 <@Corydon76-home> If people realized just how poor the state of the art is in locks, they'd either never leave or never lock their houses 16:46 <@oddball> Or the fact that doors are basically designed to be easy to kick in? 16:46 <@ignotus-sdf> yup. We try to not own too much worth taking. 16:47 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: they're not that easy to kick in. Mythbusters episode. 16:48 <@oddball> Thing with door locks is that they're harder for the average thug to pick than it is for the average thug to just bust in the average door. 16:49 <@Corydon76-home> The average thug isn't going to do either. It's the jackbooted thugs that are the problem 16:49 <@shapr> http://blog.highfivehq.com/posts/a-little-known-hack-from-japan-to-get-your-notebook-organized 16:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: HighfiveBlogA little known hack from Japan to get your notebook organized | Highfive (at blog.highfivehq.com) 16:49 <@oddball> A lot of folks have had their doors busted in and their shit taken. 16:50 <@oddball> Maybe you've heard of the "smash and grab?" 16:50 <@Corydon76-home> I usually think of that with windows 16:50 <@Corydon76-home> Or at least sheet glass 16:50 <@oddball> Happens to homes through the door as well. 16:51 <@oddball> Hell, I know a guy that had it happen to him while he was asleep (working night shift) and it was a bunch of local kids. 16:52 <@ignotus-sdf> biab. off to da bus. 16:55 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Yeah, it's one of the reasons why, if and when I start building my own home, it'll be with concrete block and steel doors, not the wooden crap I have now 16:56 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I'm trying to find the Mythbusters video. I see a few references to it where people are reporting that the handle lock and deadbolt couldn't hold up to one or two kicks, but the chain lock was suprisingly strong... which is what I remember. 16:56 <@Corydon76-home> You _can_ break down a steel door, but it takes a helluva lot more force, and if I hear you coming, I can be ready on the other side when the door finally comes down 16:56 <@oddball> And how many folks use a chain lock on their house door. 16:57 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@66.223.57.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, thats fucking good... State Highway patrol are taking over in ferguson 17:02 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I didn't see what the police chief said to the media around lunchtime today 17:02 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Honestly, I didn't think I'd be able to tolerate hearing any more blatant lies 17:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> the thing was... the 'local' police chief wasn't in charge of the police working last night 17:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> that was the st. louis sherfiff 17:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> sheriff* 17:04 * oddball flips tables and throws shit 17:04 <@oddball> STL County Police Chief Belmar: "We've done everything we can to demonstrate a remarkable amount of restraint." 17:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> .... 17:05 <@Dagmar> shapr: Ooh look. SOmeone else who needs a beating for calling something a "hack" that isn't. 17:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: you must LOVE 'life hacks' 17:05 <@Dagmar> oddball: Translation: "They should be glad we didn't start shooting the ungrateful fuckers right there on the street" 17:05 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: I think the people showed an incredible amount of restraint by not murdering police officers in their sleep 17:05 <@oddball> Police Chief Balmar is claiming to hack the legal system? 17:05 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I agree 17:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: No, some bullshit "notebook hack" 17:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> MSNBC is using youtube videos from last night 17:06 <@oddball> And for the record, the folks I know on the conservative side of the aisle agree with you as well. 17:06 <@Corydon76-home> Or tear-gassing the police station 17:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> which show how they were peaceful when they were gassed 17:06 <@oddball> ah... that "Japanese laptop hack"... yeah. 17:06 <@Dagmar> I want to know where they got their playbook for this 17:06 <@Dagmar> ...because this is _way_ too pat 17:07 <@oddball> Unfortunately, there have been several reports of looting, etc. 17:07 <@Corydon76-home> I want to know why the mayor hasn't fired the police chief yet 17:07 <@Dagmar> They were amatuerish and generally incompetent, but they were sure as hell taking the right steps to be as orwellian as possible 17:07 <@Dagmar> oddball: Check the dates on the looting. That shit was over before Monday, basically 17:08 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: because they're all trying to avoid having to acknowledge that the coverup is a failure 17:08 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:08 <@oddball> wait... that fucking "hack" is creating an index?! They fuck... yes... the beatings are mandatory. 17:08 <@Dagmar> Cuz Mr. White Hair was talking to the media all day yesterday, telling them that there was no curfew and that people were not being told to go home 17:08 <@Corydon76-home> When the cops start arresting media and local politicians, you know they're completely out of control, and somebody needs to step up and wipe out the cops' authority to act 17:08 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, every single person on the streets is telling reporters the exact opposite 17:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: Which is just a blatant lie, 17:09 <@Dagmar> Now, I find it terribly hard to believe that Mr. Whitey just happened to _not_ communicate to his men that they were supposed to respect people's rights. 17:09 <@Dagmar> He should be fucking fired. 17:09 <@oddball> Hell, reporters have audio and video recordings of *cops* telling them to go home. 17:09 < RangerZ> and to stop recording 17:09 < RangerZ> which is when you TURN ON EVERY FUCKING RECORDING DEVICE 17:09 <@Dagmar> The dude did nothing but lie to the press and the community all day 17:10 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: at this point, I think he should be locked in a jail cell with no mask and a tear gas canister "accidentally" go off in the vicinity 17:10 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Exactly 17:10 < RangerZ> I'd setup IR cameras all over the fucking city 17:10 <@Dagmar> ...and they were very thorough about trying to get every single news crew out of the area. 17:10 <@oddball> I've been told by someone in another channel that lives in the area that that town is essentially where the cops that can't hack it in orther nearby towns go. 17:10 <@Dagmar> ...and then clearly teargassing the Al Jazeera crew? 17:10 <@Dagmar> What a load of shit 17:11 <@Dagmar> They were trying to say that was an "accidental" misfire 17:11 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: not just that, but running over and TOUCHING their equipment, to point it away from them 17:11 < RangerZ> oddball, but thats the county sheriff thats been doing this, not the ferguson city police 17:11 <@Corydon76-home> If it's not your equipment, you don't touch it. 17:11 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm pretty sure they were going to steal it or smash it until they looked over and noticed they were already being watched by _another_ set of video journalists 17:12 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Three words. "Good ol' boys" 17:12 <@Corydon76-home> I can accept an accidental discharge of a canister. I can't accept them blatantly violating the media's rights 17:12 < RangerZ> Dagmar: so I just saw a new clip... they DID take down the al jazera equipment 17:12 < RangerZ> damn... didn't see that until now 17:12 <@Dagmar> Yeah "accidental" discharge of a thrown canister that just happened to land at the feet of a camera crew... while precisely nothing at all was going on on that entire block 17:13 <@Dagmar> ...aside from some fucking crickets. 17:13 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: You forget. These are cops. They're just like you and me but better. 17:13 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: shit happens when people who don't know to keep their fingers off the trigger 17:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: thrown canister. 17:13 <@Dagmar> I suppose he pulled the pin on it and then just *had* to throw it somewhere. 17:13 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Oh, never mind, then. Yeah, that's blatant 17:14 <@Dagmar> They're fucking piling lies on top of more lies and the Sherriff taking over didn't change a damn thing 17:14 <@Dagmar> Fire motherfucking everyone involved. 17:15 <@Dagmar> Those townies deserve a commendation for not getting out their guns and killing some cops 17:15 <@Corydon76-home> And appoint a special prosecutor to go over every event and prosecute the fuck out of anybody abusing authority 17:15 <@oddball> Dagmar: I'm pretty sure you can hear the *pop* of a launcher going off before that cannister landed. 17:15 <@Corydon76-home> This report has that video: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/ferguson-missouri-police-clashes-shooting-anonymous/14046707/ 17:15 <@oddball> Clearly, what that town needs is a large good old boy with a 2x4 who doesn't give a fuck. 17:17 <@Dagmar> You realize they're going to _have_ to decimate the police force there after this, right? 17:17 <@Dagmar> People are going to be _unable_ to return to "business as usual" 17:18 <@Dagmar> ...because everyone's going to be eyeing the cops like "Those are the people who took our rights away and tear gassed us and shot at us without provocation" 17:18 <@Dagmar> It's _not_ going to end well. 17:18 < RangerZ> personally I wouldn't mind if they enacted a curfew for a night 17:18 <@oddball> hahahaha.... they arrested an alderman. 17:18 <@Corydon76-home> Nope 17:18 < RangerZ> just to say "its not safe to be out tonight" 17:18 < RangerZ> at least then they wouldn't be lying 17:18 <@Dagmar> A curfew would be the wrong answer 17:19 < RangerZ> would have been better than what happened last night 17:19 <@Dagmar> Get the cops off the fucking streets, bring the highway patrolmen out with strict instructions, and tell folks it *is* safe 17:19 <@Corydon76-home> They've tried to implement a curfew. An illegal curfew. 17:19 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home++ 17:19 <@rattle> That police dept needs to be totally nuked and restructured. 17:19 <@Dagmar> ...and it was very clearly _planned_ 17:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has joined #se2600 17:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:19 <@rattle> It's crazy the sort of equipment they had and the complete lack of training. 17:20 <@Corydon76-home> The problem was that they acted as if one of their own had not just murdered someone 17:20 <@rattle> Like, they were leveling their weapons all the time, at everyone. That's like, sooooo wrong. 17:20 < RangerZ> yeah, but if the city elected officials 'passed' a _legal_ curfew, it wouldn't have been so bad, last night was just a fucking SNAFU 17:20 <@Dagmar> They had *enough* training to know to make a thorough sweep of the area for members of the press, and to get a no-fly zone declared 17:20 <@Corydon76-home> No contrition, no sadness for the taking of a life 17:20 <@Dagmar> For people who had little training they showed a disturbing amount of coordination and planning 17:20 <@rattle> The only time you level a weapon when you don't intend to shoot is when clearing buildings and that sort of thing. There's no way to be more aggressive than that. 17:20 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: The video on BoingBoing has clear footage of the shot that launched the gas canister at the Al Jazeera folks. 17:21 <@rattle> Rather, they had training, but not good training. 17:21 < RangerZ> rattle: yes there is... lying about what you plan on doing... then firing tear gas at the media 17:21 <@rattle> They learned how to do things.. But not when and why. 17:21 < RangerZ> lol 17:21 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: clear footage, as in, the guy was aiming for them, and it was intentionally fired? 17:21 <@oddball> rattle: Nope... you intend to fire when clearing a building. You just haven't found your target yet. 17:21 <@Corydon76-home> Firing bean bags at media, too 17:21 <@rattle> They look like a bunch of cowboys with no SOP. 17:21 <@rattle> Or ROE 17:22 <@Dagmar> About the only thing that would fix this without requiring a decimation of the police force, would be if the highway patrol told everyone to come out and wave their signs all night if they wanted 17:22 < RangerZ> or they DO have an SOP, and I'd love to read it 17:22 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: the guy is behind a bush, but you can hear the pop and see the sparks. 17:22 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I would *love* to get my hands on the manual they were working from 17:22 <@rattle> oddball: The point is, when you're walking around, you don't just level out of reflex. 17:22 <@oddball> right. 17:22 <@rattle> But when you're clearing a building, you do. And it doesn't mean you're going to fire on a target the second you see it. 17:22 <@oddball> and finger off the fucking trigger. That's guns 101. 17:23 <@rattle> But it's all just nuance.. These guys were going total cowboy retard. 17:23 < RangerZ> i was taught that shit before I was ever HANDED a gun 17:23 <@Corydon76-home> At this point, what they need is a swift trial and hanging the offending officers in the public square. 17:23 <@oddball> RangerZ: right 17:24 <@Dagmar> Dude thhey even did the "separate the crowds into smaller and smaller groups" thing 17:24 <@Corydon76-home> Then leave their corpses hanging for 2 days as a reminder to the rest of the cops that abusing authority will not be tolerated 17:25 <@Dagmar> The Ferguson cops were practically treating those people like Occupy protestors 17:25 <@rattle> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/14/hackers-have-the-names-and-social-security-numbers-of-ferguson-police-but-should-they-share-them/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost 17:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hackers have the names and Social Security numbers of Ferguson police. But should they share them? - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) 17:25 <@rattle> Ruh oh 17:25 <@Dagmar> rattle: I want the email spools they promised 17:26 <@Dagmar> The promised a dox dump and I think they should follow through 17:26 <@Dagmar> 'cuz right now the state of affairs is that all of those cops who participated in the military assault on one of our _own cities_ will be protected from any possible fallout 17:26 <@Dagmar> ...because "they were just doing their jobs". 17:27 <@oddball> Dagmar: I don't understand you centering on the fact that they're splitting the protestors into smaller crowds. 17:27 <@Dagmar> oddball: It's a way to keep a group of people afraid 17:27 <@Corydon76-home> SSNs aren't enough. Names, addresses, phone numbers, and the names of their spouses and kids, and their kids' schools 17:28 <@oddball> It also limits the amount of damage that a couple rabble rousers can cause. 17:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: If you break them up into smaller groups, they look around and go "Well, there's only 20 of us here. Maybe we aren't very important and should go home because this thing has run its course." 17:28 <@Dagmar> ...and it's easier to spot cameras. 17:28 <@Corydon76-home> Not because I think that kids should be targeted, but because I believe that the cops with kids will immediately take a vacation with their kids and leave the force for the duration 17:28 < RangerZ> I'd leave out the kids 17:28 < RangerZ> but yeah 17:29 <@Dagmar> It's just as horrible as if they kettled everyone up and thugged their way through forcing people to go home 17:29 <@oddball> Crowd control experts have stressed over the past couple years that 1-2 folks with the intent to incite violence can cause groups of 20 or groups of 100 to go nuts... it's best to make sure that it's a group of 20. 17:29 <@Dagmar> ...and you're not going to engage in a mass arrest of 500 people at once. It's just not going to happen. The crowd will stomp you. 17:29 <@Corydon76-home> Decimate the force in another way, by making all of them with family leave the town with their family 17:29 <@Dagmar> ...but if you can break them off 50 at a time, much easier. 17:30 < RangerZ> Dagmar: someone played the Game of Risk, and learned that unit stacking works ;) 17:30 <@Dagmar> oddball: ...and plenty of people have demonstrated that it only takes 2-3 people to disarm those 1-2 angry motherfuckers 17:30 <@oddball> ...which is why it's standard procedure to try to do that with riots. 17:30 <@Dagmar> Except this was not a "riot". 17:30 <@Dagmar> It was literally a bunch of people standing around 17:30 < RangerZ> Dagmar: they are poor and black, of course its a riot 17:30 < RangerZ> they have no power, so its whatever the police call it 17:30 <@oddball> see... that's a different argument. 17:31 <@oddball> The cops are clearly operating under the belief that they've got a full scale riot going on. 17:31 <@Dagmar> That's because they've never actually seen a riot 17:31 <@Dagmar> ...but they were clearly looking to _create_ one 17:31 <@Dagmar> THis is why I was glued to the feeds last night 17:31 < RangerZ> so what we need is... orbital drop pods... that can deliever 1000s of gas masks to any place world wide within hours 17:32 < RangerZ> lol 17:32 <@Dagmar> Generally what happens is you have a bunch of protestors standing around, then the cops start shoving them and gassing them until people start running willy-nilly, and THEN you have a riot 17:32 <@Dagmar> ...and then you tell the press "Well, they were rioting and that's why we tear-gassed them." 17:33 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that the order of events as transpired has been creatively reinterpreted. 17:34 < RangerZ> su-vaillance or however you spell it is what is going to help this... where people record the police 17:34 < RangerZ> thats the ONLY way to stop this 17:34 <@Dagmar> oddball: ...and since everyone _in the crowd_ was on the same page about not starting any shit, the police pulling all these riot quiescence tactics out and splitting the crowd, telling people to go home, and essentially _ignoring_ their rights, is a giant mountain of fragrant shit 17:34 < RangerZ> its what stopped the shit in the south with the freedom riders and their getting beat... and then enacted the civil rights act 17:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 < RangerZ> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/08/14/twitter-anonymous-hacker-ferguson/14061923/ 17:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Stepmom fears for life after hackers release wrong name (at www.usatoday.com) 17:36 < RangerZ> smells like a false flag... :/ 17:36 <@Dagmar> It's bullshit 17:36 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 17:37 <@Dagmar> So, the name matches, but the address and everything else doesn't? 17:37 <@Dagmar> What about all the other people in the USA who have that same name... WHAT ABOUT THEIR SAFETY! 17:37 <@Dagmar> Anonymous is not the TSA. 17:37 <@Dagmar> They know a name alone is meaningless. 17:37 < RangerZ> uhh ohh.. his first name was Paul 17:37 < RangerZ> get them all in bunkers 17:37 <@Dagmar> Dude if it matched my name I would go to the press right now saying "YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. I DID IT." 17:38 < RangerZ> so whats funny/sad is that a reporter tweeted last night... that the police in ferguson ... had better armor than he did when he was invading iraq 17:38 < RangerZ> and had a pic of both of them side by side... and he was under equiped 17:39 <@Dagmar> Yep 17:39 <@oddball> "must play with our neat toys!" 17:39 <@Dagmar> ...and this was against a bunch of people who haven't really bothered to _shoot_ at the cops, yet. 17:40 < RangerZ> but the police chief says that there are fire bombs and shots 17:40 < RangerZ> but i've never seen any of that... 17:40 < RangerZ> thats why they need MRAPs 17:40 <@Dagmar> Yes I've seen one picture of a guy holding something on fire that might have easily been a smoke grenade they were throwing back 17:40 < RangerZ> for fucks sake... we didn't have a SINGLE MRAP in afganistan or iraq for years 17:41 <@Dagmar> ...and if there were some shit like that happening more than just a fluke/provocateur, I'm pretty sure we'd have gotten a lot more footage of it 17:41 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:41 < RangerZ> from fox news alone 17:41 < RangerZ> let alone CNN 17:41 <@Dagmar> Yep. 17:41 < RangerZ> if a plane/helicopter was shot at 17:41 < RangerZ> just imagine 17:42 < RangerZ> they would have 48/7 coverage every day 17:42 <@Dagmar> If there were any coverage like that FOX would be flogging it like it was the second coming of Christ on vidoe 17:44 <@Corydon76-home> 48 hours a week, 7 weeks a year? 17:45 < RangerZ> no i was exagerating, that they would cover it 14x more than is physically possible 17:45 < RangerZ> part of me wants a billionaire to come in and just hire some private security, and have them face the police 17:45 < RangerZ> full riot gear too 17:48 <@rattle> Can't help but notice that all the gun-ho tea party people who like to open brandish and challenge the police when some ranch that hasn't paid taxed in several decades don't show up when innocent black kids are getting shot while they are standing with their hands up saying "please don't shoot". Don't tread on me, liberty, and all that shit.. 17:49 < RangerZ> ^ 17:50 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, where ARE the tea party folks that all went out to Nevada to "defend" a racist rancher? 17:51 < RangerZ> sitting at home laughing 17:52 <@rattle> Possibly, working their day job at the Ferguson PD. 17:52 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has joined #se2600 17:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:52 < RangerZ> god... the rest of the fucking city/area has to be so fucking easy to rob 17:52 < RangerZ> if they have dozens upon dozens of cops all in a 2 city block area 17:55 < RangerZ> LOL... holy fuck... we had to fighter jet bomb an MRAP that we gave the Iraqis army that they abandoned and then ISIS took 17:56 < RangerZ> reminds me of the armored swat vehicle that Warren Oh, had stolen from its Depot, b/c they would leave the keys in it b/c they thought "no one would break into our vehicle depot" 17:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59 <@rattle> Oh boy, if I had intel about that? I'm sure I've been drunk enough more than a few times to boost that ride.. 17:59 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has joined #se2600 18:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:02 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@71.92.0.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31 < RangerZ> rattle: thats one of those "we handled it, so no reason to let it get out into the news" b/c the dumb fuck who stole it... just rode it around town, and then just left it abandoned in a parking lot, lol 18:32 < RangerZ> my friend was the county's sniper so he was telling us about it, when he was teaching us to shoot, lol 18:33 < RangerZ> sorry... my friend's dad* but still, it was funny as hell 18:36 < aestetix> rattle: wait are you saying the Tea Party folks are stupid? 18:36 < aestetix> Or racist? Or hypocrites? 18:36 < aestetix> Now I'm curious what the racial demographics of the tea party is 18:37 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 18:40 < RangerZ> aestetix: old white males mostly 18:40 < RangerZ> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tea-party-supporters-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/ 18:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tea Party Supporters: Who They Are and What They Believe - CBS News (at www.cbsnews.com) 18:42 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:45 < aestetix> so the tea party is a rebirth of the dixiecrats? 18:47 < RangerZ> yes/no 18:47 < RangerZ> tea party is just the republican base 18:47 < RangerZ> just fancy marketing that they were something else 18:47 < RangerZ> which _WAS_ the dixiecrats 18:49 < RangerZ> 61% protestant 39% evangelical, 22% catholic, 90% white, most are 50k~100k, 54% republican, and 41% "independant" (leans republican) 18:49 < RangerZ> that _is_ the republican base 18:49 < aestetix> it's sad that 50-100k sounds to me like poverty level 18:50 < RangerZ> nah 18:50 < RangerZ> but yeah... that is sad 18:51 < RangerZ> 55k/year allows you to live comfortably if you don't wrongly invest 18:51 < RangerZ> as long as you don't live in NYC/SF/CHI 18:53 < RangerZ> if I made 60k/yr, for 2 years, (and I could live at home), I could pay off ALL my student loans, and build a house 18:53 < RangerZ> << been pricing it out 19:03 < RangerZ> been looking into shipping container based housing, and how to to make them energy efficient, and how to have solar heated water/electricity/etc for cheap 19:03 < RangerZ> damn benthemeek for making me curious about current prices 19:06 < RangerZ> well if that aint fucking interesting.... visit 'why is my video stuttering' and it mentioned comcast 19:06 < RangerZ> and now my stream isn't stuttering 19:38 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 19:39 < aestetix> http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/14/safe-harbour-cdd-ftc-complaint/ 19:43 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02 < RangerZ> prime time anchors are on site... , so i doubt we'll see a repeat of last night 20:19 <@Dagmar> At this point, *hopefully* not 20:20 <@Dagmar> However, one would _think_ that the things that happened yesterday should _never_ happen... and yet they did happen. 20:21 <@Dagmar> That people behave civilly and follow the rules when a _shitload_ of people are watching does not necessarily represent 'change'. 20:22 <@Dagmar> Mainly it just represents that the people who lack ethical discipline are convinced that _they can't get away with shit_ while _this many people_ are watching. 20:22 <@Dagmar> Yesterday, it was clear they felt they had enough control and power to _ignore_ the few people who managed to evade their attempts at _not being monitored_. 20:24 <@Dagmar> The governor's statements make it sound like his primary reason for trying to sort this out is that 'the country and the world are watching'. 20:24 <@Dagmar> _Weak_. 20:24 < RangerZ> but the thing is... you don't see giant MRAPs or snipers aiming at civs 20:25 < RangerZ> so thats 'good' 20:25 < RangerZ> but 'good' for the wrong reasons 20:25 <@Dagmar> I think it's merely temporary. 20:25 <@Dagmar> They know they can't get away with it right now, but what about elsewhere, or some other later time. 20:25 <@Dagmar> The militarization of civilian police forces _must end_. 20:26 <@Dagmar> Otherwise we're just headed for 1775 all over again. 20:26 < RangerZ> if anyone likes galaca like shooters...Astebreed on humble bundle is really good 20:26 < RangerZ> galaga* 20:32 <@Dagmar> YAY CINEMATICS! 20:34 < RangerZ> from 'underloor heating"on wikipedia: "1904: Liverpool Cathedral in England is heated with system based on the hypocaust principles" 20:34 < RangerZ> read that as holocaust... first 20:34 < RangerZ> wow...double take 20:35 <@Dagmar> So... what were you thinking there? 20:35 <@Dagmar> That they burned rabbis for warmth? 20:35 < RangerZ> their beards alone would heat small houses for nights 20:35 <@Dagmar> This new WoW art is not bad at all 20:36 < RangerZ> reveal was today , wasn't it? 20:36 <@Dagmar> yes. 20:36 < RangerZ> 'officially' 20:36 <@Dagmar> I'm watching some of the videos now 20:36 <@Dagmar> Kargath origin story 20:37 < aestetix> vagina 20:38 <@Dagmar> Still not any particuarly explanation for the timeline fork, but... one of the videos does show where it forks. 20:39 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 20:39 <@Dagmar> You see Garrosh Hellscream refuse Gul'Dan's fel offer 20:39 <@Dagmar> ...and Mannoroth gets _pissed_. 20:40 <@Dagmar> ...and holy shit is it ever in 1080p. 20:40 < RangerZ> blizzard should just go into movie making 20:41 < RangerZ> become an American Studio Ghibli 20:41 <@Dagmar> They're headed that way 20:42 < RangerZ> the WOW movie is apparently getting made 20:42 < RangerZ> though I don't know if live action or what 20:42 <@Dagmar> ...and this definitely explains some shit. 20:42 <@Dagmar> I dont' want to spoiler but _damn_ 20:43 < RangerZ> don't worry, I once go to max level in wow, and even I have no clue what you're talking about, lol, but that was years ago, lol 20:44 < RangerZ> all I gotta say is that I was really upset with SC2's videos 20:44 < RangerZ> the intro video was the only one I even considered 'good' 20:44 <@Dagmar> Well, Garrosh Hellscream was at one point the head badass of the Horde 20:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:44 <@Dagmar> ...and Gul'Dan made him an offer of even _more_ power. All he had to do was basically drink a _fel_ potion 20:45 <@Dagmar> ...which would have (and in the primary timeline *did*) make him a Thrall of Mannoroth (the giant ass demon). 20:45 <@Dagmar> Hence Burning Crusade and so on and the events that led to the shattering of Draenor (now called Outlands) 20:46 <@Dagmar> WoD is the result of some schism (probably fuckin' Dragons screwing with shit). 20:46 <@Dagmar> ..where Garrosh _refused_ Mannoroth's offer, and was basically joined on the spot by the "Iron Horde" which was essentially Garrosh and three *other* massive badass orcs 20:47 <@Dagmar> Soo... instead of Garrosh kicking the other three out and eventually being roflstomped after throwing in with the Fel... 20:47 <@Dagmar> ...we now have FOUR fucking major badass Orc warlords working together and the Iron Horde just launched an invasion through a new Dark Portal 20:48 <@Dagmar> Definitely a major threat 20:48 <@Dagmar> ...because the Iron Horde doesn't fuck around. You don't get to keep sovreignity with those guys. It's "Join or Die". 20:49 <@Dagmar> Orgrimmar is a big place? They don't fuckin' care. Join or Die. 20:49 <@Dagmar> ...and we'll probably see around 6.2 that the dragons were fucking meddling in the timeline again 20:50 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Oh, and if you pre-order, you get a token that will let you boot one of your characters straight to 90 20:50 <@Dagmar> Including maxing their chosen trade skills if you were at least half doing those. 20:52 <@Dagmar> Damn. Now I'm going to have to start playing Hearthstone 20:52 < RangerZ> its not a bad game 20:52 <@Dagmar> Gotta win three games to get a new mount in WoW. heh 20:52 < RangerZ> lol... 20:52 < RangerZ> 3 games is a joke easy 20:52 <@Dagmar> I can *probably* noob my way through it 20:52 <@wilpig> yup 20:52 <@Dagmar> I just don't care for how the game is _already_ being reduced to a bunch of "deck" nerdery 20:53 <@wilpig> already? it kinda started there 20:54 <@Dagmar> No, I mean literally fixed decks where you must have certain cards that lead to OP-ness and basically reduce the thing to a matter of websearching and grinding or pay2win 20:54 <@Dagmar> ALTHOUGH... 20:54 <@Dagmar> Hell yes 20:54 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ooNTMWC8A 20:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: New Mount: Enchanted Fey Dragon - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 20:55 <@Dagmar> They have these as public transport but apparently you can get one now 20:55 <@Dagmar> ...and they way they change colors is slick as hell. 20:56 <@Dagmar> Meh. Not paying $25 for one tho 20:57 < RangerZ> when they made over 25million from the fire bird mount or w/e it was 20:57 < RangerZ> they learned their lesson 20:58 <@Dagmar> heheh 20:59 < RangerZ> i'm kinda curious about their DOTA-game coming out 20:59 <@Dagmar> Maybe all the fucking trolls will flock to it 20:59 < RangerZ> apparently its a fun game when you play with a set group 20:59 < RangerZ> but if you play PUG, you might as well quit 21:02 < RangerZ> you know.. thats a good point, this might a mini-Kent State, since no one was shot and killed by the police 21:03 < RangerZ> almost every teacher/professor I had, knew someoene who was there that day, and several had friends killed 21:03 <@wilpig> RangerZ: I'm in the alpha/beta for that dota like game. 21:04 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 21:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 21:11 <@wilpig> http://www.androidauthority.com/clover-app-erotic-entertainment-418450/ 21:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Clover: like Uber for erotic entertainers [NSFW] (at www.androidauthority.com) 21:12 < RangerZ> lol 21:12 <@Dagmar> =D 21:12 < RangerZ> or... =====D~ 21:12 < RangerZ> fucking prostetition just needs to be legalized 21:13 <@Dagmar> This is strippers 21:13 < RangerZ> our tax problems would be solved alone from the walton family 21:13 < RangerZ> i know 21:13 < RangerZ> but imagine if it was hookers 21:13 <@brimstone> heh, i get it, "ride" 21:13 <@Dagmar> Oh you mean like on MFC 21:13 <@Dagmar> hehe 21:14 <@Dagmar> "Now, excuse me while I go discuss our review plans with the team." 21:14 <@Dagmar> HEH 21:14 <@Dagmar> Question #1 is probably: "How the hell are we going to get this past HR?" 21:16 < RangerZ> "I Swear (IRS|honey), it was a work relatex expense/requirement" 21:21 <@Dagmar> Strippers In The Office is not a situation I think they'd have instructional videos about 21:25 < RangerZ> well... the one place I used to work almost did 21:26 < RangerZ> the one guy's g/f was a stripper... and she brought her friend/co-workers to the call center one night 21:26 < RangerZ> they thought about recording it as an 'instructional video' but ... nah 21:37 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 21:38 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@c-50-167-109-63.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:40 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 21:41 -!- ignotus-sdf [~ignotus@c-50-167-109-63.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:52 <@Dagmar> It's official. War Machine is a dick. http://imgur.com/gallery/f3Tyg 21:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: MMA Fighter wanted for severe Domestic Abuse *WARNING, GRAPHIC INJURY IMAGES MAY NOT BE SFW* - Imgur (at imgur.com) 21:54 < RangerZ> ohh yeah 21:55 < RangerZ> saw a video on that, he's a fucking asshole 21:55 < RangerZ> he blamed her for 'making him' fight back 21:56 < RangerZ> b/c she had another male at her house 21:56 <@Dagmar> She wasn't married and they weren't even engaged. 21:56 <@Dagmar> The shit he did... shows he's not fit for civil society 21:56 < RangerZ> i'd just let him do his MMA fights 21:56 < RangerZ> jut no break between them 21:57 < RangerZ> i bet a bunch of those guys would love to go in the octogon with him now 22:01 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://imgur.com/gallery/eD5Ct2V 22:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: In regards to Ferguson. - Imgur (at imgur.com) 22:04 -!- sdodson [~sdodson@2606:a000:110d:c092:4a5b:39ff:fe6f:8943] has joined #se2600 22:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson] by ChanServ 22:10 <@Dagmar> Yep 22:10 <@Dagmar> So yeah the more details I learn the worse the situation is 22:10 <@Dagmar> The St. Louis City Police were who the local police handed off things to 22:11 <@Dagmar> They *also* proceeded to be dicks 22:11 <@Dagmar> They were the ones who fired the tear gas at Al-Jazeera 22:11 <@Dagmar> So... I suppose now we'll see if the fucking state highway patrol can NOT COCK IT UP FURTHER 22:12 <@Dagmar> If they can't, fuck it. Evacuate the people, nuke the police. 22:14 <@sdodson> I think you mean St. Louis County. 22:14 <@Dagmar> I am even more impressed at the restraint shown by the civilian population of the town 22:14 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Honestly at this point, I can't be bothered to care 22:14 <@Dagmar> They can chow down on a _giant_ bag of dicks 22:15 <@sdodson> That's not very appetizing. 22:15 <@Dagmar> Neither would be the tear gas grenades I'd be trying to make people eat 22:15 <@Dagmar> Screaming "FUCK YOU YOU DO NOT DO THIS SHIT IN AMERICA YOU BITCHES!" 22:16 <@Dagmar> Also.. this is very wrong https://imgur.com/gallery/J49G57h 22:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: I laughed - Imgur (at imgur.com) 22:17 < RangerZ> not as wrong as this https://imgur.com/gallery/cFTCzo0 22:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: /thread - Imgur (at imgur.com) 22:18 <@Dagmar> I'm still working on figuring that one out 22:19 <@Dagmar> Somehow I don't think it could be that someone on there actually _knows_ they're deplorable 22:19 < RangerZ> might be a hipster 22:20 < RangerZ> trying to be 'cool' by self-degrading 22:24 * oddball scrolls back 22:24 <@oddball> Ah... *that's* the War Machine you were refering to earlier. I thought you were talking about the comic book character. 22:27 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 <@Corydon76-home> sdodson: on the contrary, a giant bag of dicks is quite appetizing 22:31 <@sdodson> Corydon76-home, Sure, you find it appealing, but appetizing? 22:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> he loves chocolate covered bananas shaped into dicks 22:35 <@Corydon76-home> Um, if your dick isn't already shaped like a banana, I'm very sorry for you 22:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> you mean it isn't suppose to curl like a corkscrew ? 22:40 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 22:41 <@Corydon76-home> Only if you're a duck 22:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> but holy fuck... the witness on the news right now is saying no one even checked the pulse of the the guy in Ferguson who was shot... 22:44 <@Corydon76-home> They were ensuring he'd be dead, so there'd be no chance that he'd contradict the racist cop's story 22:45 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:45 <@Dagmar> I'm tellin' ya man... The situation there has been asymptotically approaching FUBAR all week 22:45 <@Dagmar> ...and not without _reason_. 22:47 <@sdodson> Ok beavis. 22:47 <@oddball> I'm going to have to transfer the link from my phone to my computer, but apparently the Capt. of the State Highway Patrol that's taking over the situation actually has a clue about how to treat people. 22:48 <@oddball> He's quoted on saying something along the lines of "when a girl starts crying because she fears the sight of my uniform, there's a problem." 22:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much 22:52 <@oddball> ah, here it is: .When I see a young lady cry because of fear of this uniform, that.s a problem.. Johnson said. .We.ve got to solve that.. 22:52 <@oddball> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/ 22:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: With Highway Patrol, hugs and kisses replace tear gas in Ferguson - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) 22:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> what amazes me is that they haven't learned that you need 'local' police 22:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> letting _outsiders_ come in and be the _police_ is never a good idea 22:56 <@oddball> Well, in this case, it looks like the local police were part of the problem. 22:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c none of them live in that community 23:00 <@oddball> Having seen the "fun" that small town police can have, I don't think just having the cops live in the town fixes much. 23:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, but I've seen how much it _can_ improve medium sized cities 23:00 <@oddball> And this particular town is roughly 6 square miles of a large urban center. 23:01 <@Dagmar> WEll, keep in mind they already brought in slightly greater jurisdictional people on like Tuesday 23:01 <@oddball> It would be like requiring Berry Hill cops to live in Berry Hill. 23:01 <@Dagmar> ...which resulted in "more of the same" 23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> i mean 'daily' policing, that led 'up to' this today 23:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah, yesterdays was just an example of live-action standford experiment on steroids 23:02 <@Dagmar> Except for the ringmaster 23:02 <@Dagmar> *someone* was pulling strings there and I want to know *who* 23:03 <@oddball> Like I said earlier, I've got a friend in another channel that lives near by. Aparantly Ferguson police department has been the place where you go when none of the other local departments will have you. 23:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> county sherifff 23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> either way, I'm _honestly_ surprised at the complete 180 we've seen today 23:04 <@oddball> How much you want to bet that the county sheriff's dept. was taking cues from the local police dept, who was telling them "holy shit! riots!" 23:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> yep 23:04 <@oddball> And... well... they sent in SWAT, which only has one mode. 23:06 <@oddball> Yeah... the 180 is great news. Hopefully it continues through the night. The 180 also points more towards the cops creating the entire damn situation. 23:07 < RangerZ> which saddens me greatly, b/c I _want_ the police to be ...well... what they SHOULD be 23:07 <@oddball> Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case for a long time. 23:08 <@oddball> It's long overdue that the cops remember that they are servants of the public. Not the other way around. 23:11 -!- diz_ is now known as pdiz 23:15 <@wilpig> damnit! http://flint2nyc.blogspot.com/2014/08/they-finally-announced-it-well-they.html 23:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Flint, MI to New York City (at flint2nyc.blogspot.com) 23:16 <@wilpig> wish I had heard of that before now. damnit! 23:17 -!- sdodson [~sdodson@2606:a000:110d:c092:4a5b:39ff:fe6f:8943] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22 < RangerZ> they had one in nashville i think too 23:26 <@wilpig> that one was tonight though 23:27 <@wilpig> and they only started selling hte tickets monday. had I known..... damn damn damn 23:28 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 23:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 23:41 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 23:45 < RangerZ> wow... Kurish Iraqis wondering "what did the people of ferguson do?" 23:45 < RangerZ> yeah... makes us look bad :/ 23:46 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Aug 15 00:00:19 2014