--- Log opened Wed Aug 13 00:00:18 2014
00:08 <@Corydon76-home> With the destruction of the middle class, courtesy of stagnant wages, there is quite the glut of summer homes on the market right now
00:09 <@Corydon76-home> Not in New Jersey, though.  The excess were all destroyed in 2012 and never rebuilt.
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00:23 <@SuMo_D> The thing with the homes in the Carolinas are the houses are pretty cheap, but the insurance on them is skyrocketing
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they are rebuilt every 4 years
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:29 <@Corydon76-home> Because half of them are built near sea level, and with sea level gradually rising, any weather event means tens of thousands of dollars of damage.
00:30 <@Corydon76-home> If you want to know whether global warming is occurring, just ask an actuary about insurance on homes near the ocean
00:40 <@Bahhumbug> Insurance goes up each and every time a hurricane rips into some costal area.
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> we know HOW to build hurricane proof buildings
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> tornado proof... thats still limited to "a fucking hole in the ground" level of tech
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> especially when sharks are involved...
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still... tornado speeds are up to 300+ and hurricanes are up to ~160 mph
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00:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> what always amazes me is that most houses don't use "advanced" roof tie downs (like the kind that my family house built int the 50s had...)
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01:19 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0mg9DxvfZE
01:19 <@GateKeeper> Title: TEENS REACT TO 90s INTERNET - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:20 <@Bahhumbug> Oh goody.  Riots in St Louis.
01:21 <@SuMo_D> yeah :(
01:21 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: more?
01:26 <@Bahhumbug> Apparently, yes.
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01:36 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/ap3Zzx8.jpg
01:36 < aestetix> haha
01:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> or make so much better
01:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> depends on perspective, lol
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01:41 <@klixa_> imlike drunker than i have been in years
01:41 <@klixa_> such drunk
01:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix: local media is being told that they can't be there reporting on the non-violet protests and the 300 cops in full riot/military gear tear gassing the protests
01:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> when the rioters aren't really being targetted as much, sadly
01:43 < aestetix> uhhhh
01:43 < aestetix> what is with this new trend of not letting the media in
01:44 < aestetix> I can see doing that in iraq. I cannot see doing that in missouri
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> what do you mean?
01:44 < aestetix> They did that with occupy too
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> we have iraq war up-armored vehicles there
01:44 < aestetix> The night they raided OWS, they banned media from entering
01:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> so not much difference
01:44 < aestetix> wait
01:45 < aestetix> we have armored vehicles in missouri?
01:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> in every state
01:45 < aestetix> what the fuck
01:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> what else will swat be in
01:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> to prevent 'mines' and RPGs
01:45 < aestetix> is a tank really necessary to stop a nonviolent protest?
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> "idaho police raid anti mine vehicle"
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> google that
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> just look at the images
01:46 < aestetix> you know
01:46 < aestetix> I was in a good mood
01:46 < aestetix> until you mentioned this
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'll see 'swat'/'sheriff'
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> ec
01:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> etc*
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://grapevinexus.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/police-state_0.jpg
01:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> MRAPs*
01:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> sorry... look... Alaska doesn't have one...nor NH
01:53 <@Bahhumbug> Seems a little more than your typical "non-violent protests"...  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner
01:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This will be an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners. Ferguson PD RIOT-1 RIOT-2 RIOT-4 County P... (at www.ustream.tv)
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh i'm sure it is
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> but they are even clamping down on the non-violent ones too
01:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is causing more social stress, etc
01:58 < aestetix> well
01:58 < aestetix> Everyone in the US seems to be unhappy these days
02:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not unhappy, but thats personal reasons, lol
02:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> I get to sit and watch PN planning from the front row... thats a great show
02:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
02:14 <@SuMo_D> that infographic... they are severely underestimating Nevada
02:15 <@SuMo_D> but they are probably about right about SC... people love their crazy weaponry here...
02:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> they just love crazy
02:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats why they love ya there ;)
02:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> as do we, so its all good, lol
02:21 <@SuMo_D> :)
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-U2g99Y8_Y HAHAHA
02:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tomb Raider 2 Xbox Exclusive - Angry Rant - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:29 <@klixa_> hey
02:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> he says "fucking" no censorship, then bleeps it when he says 'god'
02:29 <@klixa_> im drinking beer that tastes ilke orange huoce
02:29 <@klixa_> juice*
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> glad to see he has his insults/swear words in order, hehe
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa_: its ok, you're not crazypants, when you're drunk, you don't come in here and try to hit on Dagmar or wilpig
02:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> or insult everyone else
02:30 <@klixa_> no, im a happy drinker
02:31 <@klixa_> i hit on my german 20 year old irc boyfriend
02:31 <@klixa_> he hits back tho ;)
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04:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://phreaknic.info/pn18/ wtf... who has a fucking iframe with its own scrollbar anymore
04:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18, Halloween weekend, Nashville (at phreaknic.info)
04:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> I didn't even realize that there was more content until I wen to it today on a slightly different browser config
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07:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:52  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:52 <@wilpig> What's that you say?  Geeknic got a website partially up?  How the fuck that'd happen?
08:52 <@wilpig> http://www.geeknic.net
08:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at www.geeknic.net)
08:55 <@wilpig> Mirage: I take it you saw penny arcade already?  http://penny-arcade.com/comic
08:55 <@GateKeeper> Title: Penny Arcade - Length (at penny-arcade.com)
08:57 <@Dolemite> Yeah, my ideal woman would also look much like an Imperial Scout Walker.  Legs all the way to the top!
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09:25 < aestetix> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/nsa-monstermind-cyberwarfare/
09:40 <@wilpig> aestetix: http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/12/stop-deliberately-shtting-in-the-pool-first-choice-hotel-writes-warning-letter-to-guests-threatening-1400-fine-for-anyone-caught-logging-4829802/
09:42 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's amazing just how stupid that is
09:43 <@Dagmar> aestetix: literally everyone involved in IRC in the 90's knows better than to make such a system completely autonomous
09:43 < aestetix> yep
09:45 <@Dagmar> http://www.wirelessoemshop.com/servlet/the-1829/New-design-20000mAh-External/Detail
09:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: New design 20000mAh External Power Bank Dual USB Ports (at www.wirelessoemshop.com)
09:46 <@Dagmar> I have to say it but at $20 I almost want to buy it just so I can say "Can someone hand me the white power bank?"
09:46 < aestetix> One of the things I kept asking.... if terrorists are actually as dangerous as the NSA keeps claiming
09:46 < aestetix> Wouldn't they be able to get around all these programs?
09:46 < aestetix> I mean, if I were a terrorist, the first thing I would ask is "what is the NSA looking for?"
09:46 < aestetix> And set things up so that, for example, the metadata in my programs was altered
09:47 < aestetix> If they ARE doing that, the NSA programs are worthless.
09:47 < aestetix> If they are NOT doing that, then why the fuck haven't we stopped them yet?
09:47 <@Dagmar> Oh you mean like use hosts from a disinterested third party's network to launch the attacks from?
09:47 < aestetix> hahah
09:47 <@Dagmar> Because no one has _ever_ done that in the history of IRC warfare
09:47 < aestetix> right
09:47 <@Dagmar> Never ever.
09:48 <@Dagmar> The moment someone starts talking about "retaliatory actions" they have failed.
09:48 < aestetix> So far my conclusion is that the NSA has been astonishingly stupid.
09:50 < aestetix> It's almost like their top advisors bend logic in the way that GOP and Fox News bends history every time Sarah Palin makes another stupid statement.
09:50 < aestetix> Like her whole bit about Paul Revere running through the night with bells and drums
09:53 < aestetix> So either the government is bullshit all the way down, or it's stupidity all the way down.
09:53 < aestetix> As such, it's kind of astonishing that our systems haven't totally been hacked.
09:58 <@Dagmar> What they're interested in is _power_ and _money_
09:58 <@Dagmar> Everything else is a means to further the increase of those two things
09:59 <@Dagmar> They use stupidity because that's really all that's required
09:59 <@Dagmar> ANyone who might speak out against them is terrified to
09:59 <@Dagmar> ...and very few people have the time or the inclination to becuase it would be like taking on an army of professional trolls.
10:00 <@Dagmar> There's simply not enough hours in the day, and if you attempt to organize with others to distribute the workload, everyone gets on the 'no fly' list.
10:09 <@wilpig> btw it's been at least two weeks and still no ticket from running the toll booth
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10:53 < aestetix> Dagmar: yes, but bad opsec can mean both of them go away
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10:58 < aestetix> Where does the king keep his armies? In his sleevies.
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11:04 < aestetix> Why was 6 afraid of 7? Because 7 is a repeated 6 offender.
11:06 < scoob> nyuk nyuk nyuk
11:07 <@wilpig> bad scoob.  no!  don't acknowledge him when he does things like that.
11:07 <@wilpig> it just encourages him
11:07 < aestetix> wilpig: oh come on I know you laughed
11:10 <@wilpig> nope.  I smirked at sleevies
11:10 <@wilpig> then I felt bad for your waterhead
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11:35  * shapr hugs klixa 
11:36 <@ignotus-sdf> klixa: feel better this morning? Wasn't too rough, was it?
11:37 <@wilpig> O.O
11:40 <@klixa> i dont have a hangover amazngly
11:40 <@ignotus-sdf> good!
11:40 <@ignotus-sdf> :) I was hoping not.
11:40 <@klixa> ok, lol
11:41  * klixa hugs shapr back
11:41 <@klixa> i use weechat now, anyone else use weechat?
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11:44 <@brimstone> i use weechat
11:45 <@shapr> I wee on your chat programs!
11:45  * shapr cackles villainously
11:45 <@shapr> Is that even a word?
11:45 <@wilpig> alright.  riddle me this se2600.  I have a server that is dual 8-core intel processors.  it has 4 dimms each clocking in at 16GB.
11:46 <@wilpig> if I run a hardware diagnostic on it, it will hard lock
11:46 <@wilpig> if I remove two dimms, it will complete
11:46 <@wilpig> all four dimms, and remove a processor.  it will complete
11:46 <@wilpig> wtf...
11:46 <@wilpig> doesn't matter which processor I remove it will pass
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11:48 <@wilpig> took this picture the first time it hung, today.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/hq7gjeo0lin3p3t/2014-08-13%2010.18.12.jpg
11:48 <@wilpig> this one after all the various tests above were done and it was back in its original state.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/1det0pr6uw8qrql/2014-08-13%2011.08.16.jpg
11:48 <@wilpig> right away I noticed that all the processors weren't showing in the first one.
11:48 <@shapr> wilpig: NUMA?
11:49 <@wilpig> we also replaced the motherboard thinking that it was something there possibly
11:49 <@shapr> wilpig: tried memtest with all four dimms and both cpus?
11:49 <@wilpig> yeah.  hangs hard
11:50 <@wilpig> that's what got me to this point intiially
11:50 <@wilpig> since it was a hard lock on a memory test we just assumed it was bad memory until we took a pair out and it passed
11:51 <@wilpig> swapped the pair and it passed again.  so we then assumed it was motherboard
11:51 <@wilpig> replaced that and we're back at square one
11:51 <@wilpig> just bizarre 
11:51 <@shapr> is this an itanium?
11:51 <@shapr> they have memory fence problems that might could cause that
11:51 <@wilpig> xeon I think
11:51 <@wilpig> it's brand new
11:52 <@shapr> Is it NUMA with each pair of DIMMs on a separate processor?
11:52 <@wilpig> yes
11:52 <@shapr> it sounds like a locking problem in the test program, are you able to run it on other NUMA systems successfully?
11:53 <@wilpig> yes
11:53 <@wilpig> this test works fine on every other system.  there is something odd with this one that we can't pinpoint
11:53 <@shapr> Are you able to run the two cpus with one dimm each?
11:53 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqpzwlxgi92sez8/C6220%20-%20Memory%20Configurations.pdf
11:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - C6220 - Memory Configurations.pdf (at www.dropbox.com)
11:53 <@wilpig> no
11:54 <@wilpig> has to be a pair.
11:54 <@shapr> it sounds like you've narrowed the problem down to "occurs when each of the CPUs have their own memory"
11:54 <@shapr> ah, hm
11:54 <@shapr> can you put the dimms in other memory slots without voiding the warranty?
11:55 <@wilpig> I see there is a supported config of A1 B1 that I haven't tried
11:55 <@shapr> Do you have FB-ECC DIMMs?
11:55 <@shapr> or are they unbuffered?
11:55 <@wilpig> I know these are ecc, not sure on buffered
11:56 <@shapr> it's obvious that something is getting lost somewher
11:56 <@shapr> my first thought is multi-threading lockups, second thought is unbuffered memory that's not quite good enough to handle the load
11:57 <@shapr> if this is an entirely new CPU, cache coherency issues is a distant and extremely unlikely possibility
11:57 <@shapr> can you underclock the DIMMs and see if that helps?
11:57 <@wilpig> thanks.  i'll poke more.  they want me to run this intel stress test that is more intense than their built in one
11:57 <@wilpig> I'll add that to my list of shit to try
11:57 <@shapr> awright, I'm interested in the results :-)
11:59 <@shapr> have you tried putting four DIMMs on one CPU? oh wait, you can't run both CPUs unless they both have some memory, right?
12:01 <@wilpig> right
12:01 <@shapr> did you find out if the DIMMs are buffered or unbuffered?
12:01 <@wilpig> i'm headed down there now and will check the label
12:02 <@wilpig> i'm very tempted to start stealing parts off another one and swapping just to see
12:02 <@shapr> awright, if they're unbuffered, see if you can try buffered with those tests
12:02 <@shapr> ha
12:02 <@shapr> I've done it :-)
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12:15 <@wilpig> shapr: with memory is slots 5 and 13 which is one per cpu it hangs.
12:15 <@shapr> so it's certainly a cross-cpu problem
12:16 <@wilpig> 1rx4 pc3l-12800r-11-12-c2-d3
12:16 <@wilpig> so this is registered but probably not ecc
12:16 <@shapr> well, not being ecc is fine, but registered was the real question
12:16 <@shapr> since that mobo supports both
12:17 <@shapr> Is there some way to test the interprocessor interrupts specifically?
12:17 <@wilpig> i'm hoping maybe this tool from intel will
12:17 <@shapr> is your apic turned off?
12:18 <@shapr> I assume you've already combed through the BIOS settings?
12:18 <@wilpig> not really. it's all defaults like every other node
12:19 <@shapr> well, something's wrong :-)
12:19 <@wilpig> clearly.
12:20 <@shapr> I'd dig through the BIOS settings, see if there's any NUMA settings with a stupid default?
12:20 <@wilpig> might as well since i'm waiting on this live usb to build
12:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: new mobo without bios?
12:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> that has the new UEFI* bios
12:23 <@wilpig> numa disabled.  booting into testing environment again now
12:23 <@wilpig> standard bios
12:24 <@wilpig> has uefi support though
12:25 <@wilpig> hung. showing 8 processors again instead of 16
12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: did you finish that cable run ? i mean patch panels should make this easy ;)
12:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
12:27 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: I'm gonna need you to go ahead and punch yourself in the dick.  This is still about your suggestion involving crazy pants btw.
12:27 <@wilpig> go ahead. we'll wait
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12:34 <@wilpig> hi benthemeek1 
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12:50 <@Dolemite> What do you think of this trail for the GeekNIC hike?  http://www.hikinginthesmokys.com/littleriver.htm
12:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Little River Trail - Hike Little River Trail in Smoky Mountains (at www.hikinginthesmokys.com)
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13:11 <@ignotus-sdf> Dolemite: Looks pretty good. When are we talking?
13:20 <@Dolemite> ignotus-sdf: March 20-22, 2015.  http://www.geeknic.net
13:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at www.geeknic.net)
13:20 <@Dolemite> So the hike itself would be that Saturday morning, March 21
13:21 <@Dolemite> We typically go easy enough on the binge drinking Friday night so that we can do a hike on Saturday morning.  Sunday is for hangovers.
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13:23 <@Dolemite> I think we need to have a tramp stamp scavenger hunt on Saturday night.  There's definitely enough of them showing in Gatlinburg.
13:25  * RangerZ|Laptop sends crazypants to geeknic, as the start of global thermonuclear war
13:25 <@Dolemite> She won't show up, there's not a girls' only room.
13:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
13:26 <@Dolemite> There's a politically incorrect room, though.
13:27 <@opticron> so walk into the girls only room and challenge them to tell you you're not a pretty princess
13:28 <@opticron> if not, great, if so, they're oppressing your identity
13:36 <@Dagmar> Yay
13:37 <@Mirage> I finally got to go see 'Guardians of the Galaxy' last night..all I can say is:  If you haven't seen it yet..go see it.
13:39 <@Dolemite> Mirage: So are you telling Sarah about GeekNIC or are you hoping that she doesn't hear about it so you can come without her?  Trying to figure out if we need a 'Girls Only Room'
13:39 <@ignotus-sdf> Mirage: I keep hearing that.
13:39 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAHAH http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/4614585552.html
13:39 <@GateKeeper> Title: 1984 Fiero Trike with Goldwing Frontend Real Head Turner (at nashville.craigslist.org)
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13:40 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: I'm pretty sure I just threw up in my mouth a little
13:40 <@Dagmar> Today is the day for abominations http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/4577539940.html
13:40 <@ignotus-sdf> Dagmar: wow. so does it live in the shop most of the time, too?
13:40 <@Dolemite> I thought the description was bad enough... but then I clicked and saw the pictures
13:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Reverse Trike (at nashville.craigslist.org)
13:41 <@Mirage> Dolemite: She knows about it.  That doesn't mean she'll actually remember to ask off for it.
13:42 <@Mirage> Dolemite: and...If there were a "Girls-only room" (except of course the bathroom), I think she would do her best to avoid it at all costs
13:43 <@Mirage> Hey!  there we go.. jst put a sign in front of the public women's room denoting it the "PN18 Girls Only Room"
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13:45 <@Mirage> Dagmar: lol..motorcycle seat mounted on the center console.
13:48 <@Dagmar> BIG fire near the office
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13:52 <@Dagmar> 61st & Centennial.  http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Hazmat-Called-To-Tanker-Truck-Fire-In-West-Nashville-271108771.html
13:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Hazmat Called To Tanker Truck Fire In West Nashville - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
14:00 <@Dolemite> Mirage: That's pretty much the girls only room that I'd be willing to set up
14:02 <@Dagmar> I may know someone with a portable brass pole.  Interesting.
14:08 <@wilpig> Dagmar: you and rangerz need to start playing again.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/2yjlc0xh492gdny/2014-08-13%2014.05.07.jpg
14:10 <@Dagmar> Nifty
14:11 <@wilpig> about to buy some of those really pricey items
14:12 <@Dagmar> I probably shoudln't have tried to gear up to milk the merchant abilities
14:12 <@wilpig> finally got a team setup where I can use the auto-fight feature and semi-farm job points and money
14:12 <@Dagmar> It made me sick of looking at the console
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14:13 <@wilpig> btw dag, if you coulnd't tell that's you linked to agnes
14:13 <@Dagmar> Once you get the "heal enemy for munnies" ability and two healing sticks you can practially auto-pilot your way to a jeelion dollars
14:13 <@wilpig> oh really now...
14:13 <@wilpig> i've just been using a white mage for my healing
14:19 <@Dagmar> Yes, there's staves that'll case an MP-free heal
14:19 <@Dagmar> Very handy because you can just hand it to yer mage (because the stat points still affect it) and say "Wave this around" and ignore them the entire fight
14:20 <@Dagmar> s/case/cast/
14:20 <@wilpig> I have  shield that does htat
14:20 <@wilpig> it doesn't heal enough though
14:20 <@wilpig> I just jump into the ship, sleep, then out again
14:20 <@Dagmar> Give it to someone who normally casts heals
14:21 <@wilpig> my regular heal hits the entire group for 4-6k
14:21 <@wilpig> it's hard to match
14:21 <@Dagmar> It's actually the same heal as the players cast, but if you put it on someone who is no good with finger-waggling it'll suck
14:21 <@Dagmar> I tried to put it on Ringabel and it was kind of meh
14:21 <@Dagmar> Give it to either of the chicks and it works pretty good
14:26 < RangerZ> so was I the only one who thought they were all females in the demo?
14:26 < RangerZ> lol
14:27 < RangerZ> thought they made a playgirl
14:27 < RangerZ> etc
14:27 < RangerZ> lol
14:28 <@Dagmar> Goddamn Google
14:28 <@Dagmar> I took a picture of the black smoke comming up from that tanker fire
14:28 <@Dagmar> Google just auto-awesomed it.
14:28 <@wilpig> Dagmar: i'm also pretty sure your new stalker would take offense to you claiming that women are only good for healing classes.
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14:29 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Well, she can blame the Japanese.  I didn't make the rules--I just know them.
14:29 < RangerZ> is that what is on fire downtown?
14:29 <@Dagmar> Yes.  61st and Centennial.
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14:29 <@Dagmar> It's not downtown.  It's right next to the damn fuel depot for Tyson
14:29 <@Dagmar> ...and apparently me saying something about it in the local ENL hangout let some people know to GTFO from their office.  ;)
14:30 < RangerZ> yeah...
14:30 < RangerZ> network died at ISIS, so 45min workday today
14:30 < RangerZ> lol
14:31 < RangerZ> blasting on the same street is NOT good for power/fiber lines apparently
14:32 <@Dagmar> wheee
14:32 < RangerZ> so when I was driving home, i saw a ton of black smoke in the air
14:32 <@wilpig> african american smoke
14:32 < RangerZ> and i was like... well thats not my house... *drives home*
14:33 < RangerZ> actually Black* is correct
14:33 <@wilpig> yeah... you tell it that.
14:33 < RangerZ> upper case
14:33 < RangerZ> I have
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14:34 <@wilpig> shapr: replaced CPU2 with one from another node.  memory test is completing.  gonna let this finish then swap the other processor to be sure
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14:34 <@wilpig> is there a full moon
14:34 <@wilpig> ?
14:35 <@Dolemite> Only if Dickie drops his pants
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14:36 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: full moon was Sunday.
14:38 <@wilpig> ignotus-sdf: if it was sunday then why is there still a Weredickie  now?
14:38  * wilpig taps his foot while staring at ignotus-sdf 
14:39 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: I don't control these things, I just know they jacked up me planting my garden.
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14:41 < RangerZ> ignotus-sdf: don't lie.. you know you hid some wolfsbane in your garden and had the furries dig up your entire yard to prepare for planting
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14:41 < RangerZ> though.... it was kinda mean to put the wolfsbane next to the catnip
14:42 < RangerZ> the blood/fur left over is not going to help you grow things not out of little shop of horrors
14:42 <@wilpig> feed me seymore...
14:42 <@shapr> wilpig: so you think it's one of the CPUs?
14:42  * shapr hops tiredly
14:43 <@wilpig> my gut says yes
14:43 <@wilpig> my gut has said other things too, so I don't trust it
14:43 <@shapr> my gut says 'hungry'
14:45 < RangerZ> it says 'crazypants'
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14:45 < RangerZ> thats why he doen't trust it
14:45 <@wilpig> different crazy pants, but yes
14:45 < RangerZ> something a little lower than gun, was saying it with the ex
14:45 < RangerZ> gut*
14:46 < RangerZ> but probably right that you needed a gun
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14:54 <@wilpig> alright.  test passed.  putting suspected bad cpu into slot1
14:56 <@wilpig> almost immediate hang
14:58 <@shapr> sounds like you found it
14:59 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: http://www.codekid.net/grafix/systemd_monster.gif
14:59 <@wilpig> yeah
14:59 <@wilpig> just requested a new processor from dell
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15:56 <@benthemeek1> Hi wilpig
15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> lies
15:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> benthemeek doesn't come to this channel
15:57 <@benthemeek1> Been a very long time since I did IRC
15:58 <@benthemeek1> put in 146 hours at work after a sizable disastor a couple weeks ago and then went on vacation
15:58 <@wilpig> benthemeek1: we;ve noticed your absence and mocked you openly
15:58 <@benthemeek1> let just say that is you run find `bubba` | xargs rm  and bubba doesnt exist
15:58 <@benthemeek1> it deletes your entire operating system
15:58 <@benthemeek1> on all 160 servers
15:59 <@benthemeek1> if ran from root
15:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow...
15:59 <@benthemeek1> yeah it was a nightmare
15:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> you?
15:59 <@benthemeek1> nope
15:59 <@benthemeek1> I just had to clean it up
15:59 <@benthemeek1> but im still cleaning a lot up
16:00 <@benthemeek1> Havent had time for much else
16:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> well obviously that just means you didn't have good enough puppet scripts that were able to make deployable server instances
16:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
16:00 <@benthemeek1> did notice the lack of website when i got back yesterday and made a note to fearless leader
16:00 <@benthemeek1> your email was timely shortly after mine
16:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... man... that sucks
16:00 <@wilpig> benthemeek1: did you see that geeknic has a website?
16:01 <@wilpig> it sucks, but it's up
16:01 <@benthemeek1> beta.phreaknic.com
16:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> the damn 2d barcodes are eating up too much time
16:01 <@benthemeek1> But yes, a sucky website is good
16:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://beta.phreaknic.info/
16:01 <@benthemeek1> .net rather
16:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: PhreakNIC 18 | PhreakNIC (at beta.phreaknic.info)
16:01 <@wilpig> http://geeknic.info
16:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.info)
16:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c .com goes to to a domain squater/reseller
16:02 <@wilpig> yup
16:02 <@wilpig> they tried to sell it to me
16:02 <@wilpig> I told em to fuck off
16:02 <@benthemeek1> I just added it to my calendar
16:02 <@benthemeek1> My family quite enjoyed the first one
16:02 <@benthemeek1> or second
16:02 <@wilpig> second
16:02 <@benthemeek1> which ever it was
16:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> benthemeek1: yeah, I realized how close the con was... and was like...wtf..
16:05 <@benthemeek1> Yeah
16:05 <@benthemeek1> I am supposed to have a phone call tonight
16:05 <@benthemeek1> I hope its some good news
16:05 <@benthemeek1> (from Dru I mean)
16:05 <@wilpig> I predict an excuse in teh form of blaming someone else
16:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> its not like an SSL cert is hard to get/make
16:07 <@wilpig> yeah but getting a static dedicated ip from your free hosting provider might be
16:07 <@wilpig> stress on the free
16:11 <@Corydon76-home> They're only free because we're a nonprofit
16:15 <@wilpig> I know.  and i thought a dedicated ip wasn't part of that either
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> The latest excuse is "we can't get this piece of shit CMS called Drupal to behave, so we need a multi-domain cert" instead of the free one currently in place.
16:19 <@wilpig> lol
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> and all I could think is, "Why the fuck are you using a piece of shit called Drupal?"
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> Dru came up with the insane question of "Why aren't we using a Class 2 cert?" last night.
16:22 <@wilpig> drupal speaks to him, but I can't quite put my finger on why
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Well, let's see.  extended validation is a pain in the ass which usually takes several days to complete, and WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME.  If you had suggested this back in, say, February, we would have the time to get that cert in place.
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: I think the reason is, he's not actually a security guy or a developer, and he really doesn't understand the risks
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> The risk is "too many moving parts" combined with "too many people who are looking for a hole"
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16:42 <@wilpig> typical middle manager syndrome.  wants to be able to work on the end product without having that skillset so demands are made to dumb the process down to the point that it just isn't feasible to maintain properly
16:47 <@Corydon76-home> Well, I'm sure that part of the problem is... nobody wants to work on the end product, so it falls to him
16:48 <@wilpig> funny cause I offered. so can't say nobody, unless you mean he's pulling a skydick and refusing any help from anyone he doesn't want it from
16:51 <@Corydon76-home> I think it's more likely he lives in an echo chamber, and he forgets what isn't constantly being said to him
16:52 <@wilpig> I'll buy that
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17:18 <@wilpig> I need the cold aisle.  the panda express I had for lunch is making a return
17:34 <@wilpig> I failed at Rule #1 of data processing
17:35  * wilpig is so ashamed
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17:41 <@Mirage> exit
17:41 <@Mirage> oops
17:53 <@Dagmar> Okay, wait
17:54 <@Dagmar> So they're actually STILL BEING FUCKING RETARDS about putting Drupal in the line of fire?
17:54 <@Dagmar> FFS
17:55 <@Dagmar> ...and he's talking about a fucking class TWO cert?
17:55 <@Dagmar> Jesus
17:55 <@Dagmar> It's motherfucking triage mode time
17:55 <@Dagmar> The E-Commerce stuff will have to wait
17:55 <@Dagmar> The fucking e-flyer needs to be up last freakin' month
17:56 <@Dagmar> They do not need to be integrated into shit
17:56 <@Dagmar> We don't need a fucking class two cert, period.
17:57 <@Dagmar> We need a cert signed by a CA browsers trust and that's about fucking it
17:59 <@Dagmar> It doesn't need a "static" IP address, either, but it does need a _dedicated_ IP address
17:59 <@Dagmar> If we don't have a dedicated IP address is when shit gets into the multi-domain (SAN-bearing) cert
18:00 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: If the call isn't good, holler at me over whatever methods are available
18:00 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: Google Hangouts, whatever
18:00 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: Since I no longer have a bike to fuck with it's time to get my hands dirty elsewhere.
18:00 <@Dagmar> Probably sticking them up Dru's ass and pulling a website out
18:01 <@Dagmar> It sure as shit isn't coming out of my ass
18:01 <@Dagmar> ...not unless you fuckers like monospaced fonts and green
18:02 <@Dagmar> Not having online registration might be embarassing, but it's less embarassing than no website at all
18:02 <@benthemeek1> Dagmar: copy that
18:03 <@Dagmar> If nothing else we can just tell people "HOW BADLY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON A NO-FLY LIST, DAMNIT."
18:03 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: If I have to spend the next couple of nights working with Jeremy, that's completely fine
18:04 <@Dagmar> It's time to go FULL STACK on some shiznit
18:04 <@benthemeek1> Did insurance pay for your bike?
18:04 <@Dagmar> Yes, I have just recently been made aware of the fact that "full stack" is the new hipster term for "Someone that knows what the fuck they're doing"
18:05 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: WHAT insurance?
18:05 <@benthemeek1> :(
18:05 <@Dagmar> benthemeek1: WHen I bought the bike I asked about theft insurance.
18:05 <@Dagmar> They quoted me a rate of $800/6mo
18:06 <@Dagmar> I was paying $2700 as a grand total for the bike.
18:06 <@Dagmar> I told them "No thanks, I'll just stick money in the bank."
18:06 <@benthemeek1> Do you think you got your money out of it?
18:06 <@benthemeek1> in use I mean?
18:06 <@Dagmar> It would have made no sense to pay $3200 over two years' time to insure a $2700 bike against theft.
18:07 <@Dagmar> Well, let's see... I bought it in 2008.
18:07 <@Dagmar> I'd have paid a bit over $8K for that theft policy by now.
18:08 <@Dagmar> ...and if they quote me a ludicrous number like that again when I get around to buying another bike, I will yet again refuse to take theft insurance.
18:08 <@Dagmar> I will just install remote-triggerable scuttlers on the thing
18:08 <@benthemeek1> I meant do you feel you used it enough that the initial cost was worth it even if it was stolen
18:08 <@Dagmar> Dude it paid for itself in gas savings every year and a half
18:08 <@Dagmar> 75mpg
18:08  * benthemeek1 nods
18:09 <@Dagmar> EVen with the helmet and tchotchkes I was buying for it the gas savings amounted to more than the cost of the bike in the first two years
18:09 <@Dagmar> It's why I was willing to shell out for replacement parts and laugh about it
18:09 <@Dagmar> Like... wooo wooo $40 for a faring.
18:10 <@Dagmar> I was burning about a gallon of gas a week on it
18:10 <@Dagmar> One gallon.
18:10 <@Dagmar> The BP nearest my house is still trying to be a dick about accepting my debit card
18:10 <@Dagmar> ....but LOL fuck them.
18:10 <@benthemeek1> lol
18:11 < aestetix> Ugh.
18:11 <@Dagmar> If they can't make a profit off someone buying $3.60 worth of gas, maybe THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SPILLED ALL THAT OIL IN THE OCEAN AND LIED ABOUT IT
18:11 <@Dagmar> I *do* miss pumping my gas there.
18:11 < aestetix> I hate independent security researchers who do voluntary audits and then nag you to fix them.
18:11 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: have you heard me evangelize my Paypal debit mastercard?
18:12 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: No, but I can imagine.  I've used a debit card for years
18:12 <@Dagmar> As a result, I have something much better than a credit card.
18:12 <@Dagmar> PILES OF FUCKING MONEY
18:12 <@Corydon76-home> As long as you use it as a credit card (not a PIN), you get 1% cash back every single month
18:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: give me some of it
18:12 <@Dagmar> aestetix: i'm afraid you ain't gonna be pretty enough, even if you do shave.
18:13 <@Corydon76-home> and it pulls from your Paypal account balance, which if you're verified, means it also pulls from your bank account.
18:13 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Hmm.... I may split my next account over with Paypal then
18:13 <@Dagmar> Oh wait they're still "not really" a bank like that
18:13 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure i want to bucket-brigade money around
18:13 <@Corydon76-home> So basically, use your bank account cash as a credit card, and get whatever you spend divided by 100, back in your Paypal balance every single month
18:14 <@Dagmar> That's what I'm doing now with my debit card
18:14 <@Dagmar> ...although there's a limit the size of purchases you can make with one that is apparently less than "a whole goddamn car"
18:14 <@Corydon76-home> None of this waiting until you build up a balance shit.  Once a month, deposit.
18:15 <@Dagmar> I had my doubts about whether or not the debit katana could slash it's way through a $14,000 purchase.
18:15 <@Corydon76-home> Not that it mattered, but some companies will ask you for a PO number when you checkout, since it's technically a Business Debit mastercard
18:15 <@Dagmar> 31337
18:15 <@Dagmar> I know from past experience that if someone's asking for a purchase order number, what I tell them doesn't matter
18:16 <@Corydon76-home> Or a word to remind you what it was that you bought at Home Depot
18:16 <@Dagmar> That I tell them *something* is the quickest way through
18:16 <@Dagmar> I have two types of purchases.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Shit that's so small I don't fucking care, and shit that I track
18:17 <@Dagmar> ...and since I'm not in the habit of going to more than like 20 places in six months, Visa has it on "easy mode" for detecting fraud on my account
18:17 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, I get those calls all the time
18:17 <@Dagmar> There's three gas stations, two ATMs, a couple of fast food places, Publix, the smoke shop, and a buncha websites I usually do through Paypal
18:18 <@Dagmar> I don't get them because when I suddenly give $2.38 to some church in Louisiana, Visa just laughs and kicks the charge back
18:18 <@Dagmar> I have a new card in my bag right now in fact that I need to activate
18:19 <@Dagmar> Some aggressive fuckers probably got it as a result of the Target debacle
18:19 <@Dagmar> They bounced four charges in two days and put some kind of "careful watch" on my account until I activate the new card
18:20 <@Dagmar> It actually kinda makes me feel sorry for Visa for all vendors balking at upgrading their shit to smart cards
18:20 <@Dagmar> We.  Need.  That.  Shit.  In.  This.  Country.  Like.  Yesterday.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Anyhoo... coffee and fox tickles time
18:21 <@Corydon76-home> NashJS time for me
18:21 <@Dagmar> Hopefully that girl will bring the fox out today.  I missed it yesterday
18:21 <@Dagmar> IT'S SO CUTE
18:21 <@Corydon76-home> Should be an interesting talk tonight
18:22 <@Corydon76-home> Jason Orendorff has come up with something again
18:22 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Have them put an _actual address_ on the site
18:23 <@Corydon76-home> PN or NashJS?
18:23 <@Dagmar> NashJS
18:23 <@Dagmar> The map pin just goes to "Nashville" and no more specific than that
18:23 <@Corydon76-home> It's at 9 Lea Ave
18:23 <@Dagmar> I can tell them meet the second wednesdays and that's about it
18:23 <@Corydon76-home> aka the Emma Bistro
18:23 <@Dagmar> I may be sending a kid that way
18:24 <@Dagmar> What time?>
18:24 <@Corydon76-home> 6pm
18:24 <@Dagmar> Danke, sehr
18:24 <@Corydon76-home> Starts with food, btw
18:24 <@Corydon76-home> The meeting itself gets started around 6:30
18:25 <@Corydon76-home> Apparently, you could attend a different meeting every day and get fed supper
18:25 <@Dagmar> Well, I'll let the kid worry about that bit
18:25 <@Dagmar> heheh
18:25 <@Corydon76-home> If he's >=21, free beer, too
18:25 <@Dagmar> Dude hangs out at Bongo and just started dipping into Code Academy
18:25 <@Dagmar> I think he's like 19-20
18:25 <@Dagmar> He's not knowledgeable but he _is_ a bright guy
18:26 <@Corydon76-home> I was at Nashville PHP last night.  Same story.  Free beer and sliders
18:26 <@Dagmar> heh
18:26 <@Dagmar> Well, I MUST GO
18:26 <@Dagmar> MY COFFEE NEEDS ME
18:26 <@Corydon76-home> Later
18:30 < aestetix> god I hate ssl
18:31 < aestetix> It's so completely broken.
18:33 < aestetix> http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/30/hangouts-now-works-without-google-account-becomes-part-of-google-apps-for-business-and-gets-sla/
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18:36 <@wilpig> my new back scratcher just showed up in the mail.  if this thing was a woman, i'd try to marry it
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18:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/i-liked-everything-i-saw-on-facebook-for-two-days-heres-what-it-did-to-me/all/1
18:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: I Liked Everything I Saw on Facebook for Two Days. Heres What It Did to Me | Gadget Lab | WIRED (at www.wired.com)
18:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> from: http://socialfixer.com/blog/2014/08/12/what-happens-if-you-like-everything-on-facebook-this/
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19:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> "I noticed that on mobile, my feed was almost completely devoid of human content.[...] Facebook’s robots decided that the way to keep my attention is by hiding the people and only showing me the stuff that other machines have pumped out. Weird."
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19:23 < aestetix> sweet
19:24 < aestetix> our biggest competitor has had two days of downtime thanks to this networking outage
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20:08 < aestetix> penis
20:12 < RangerZ> aestetix: so reports about st. louis sheriff 'harassing' news media
20:12 < RangerZ> sounds like OWS-lite
20:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but when police have military equipment, not not even "just" anti-riot gear.... it leads to Standford Experiment group-think
20:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....actually.... I wonder if thats truer than my joke intended it to be...
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20:33 < RangerZ> uhh ohh klixa is here
20:33 < RangerZ> shhh.... stop talking about the winning power ball pool we had going
20:36 <@Dagmar> You _really do_ suck at OpSec, don't you
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20:42 <@Dagmar> Wow they've cordoned off a pretty fuckin' big area east of here
20:42 <@Dagmar> 'cuz manhole covers are getting blown into the air... _still_.
20:42 < RangerZ> methane?
20:42 <@Dagmar> No, diesel/gas
20:42 < RangerZ> ahh
20:43 < RangerZ> yeah... thats not ...ideal...
20:43 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Hazmat-Called-To-Tanker-Truck-Fire-In-West-Nashville-271108771.html
20:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tanker Explodes, Leaks Fuel Into Sewage System - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
20:43 <@Dagmar> ...and it's super exciting that there's WHOPPING GREAT TANKS OF FUEL a block and half away from the epicenter
20:43 <@Dagmar> We could *really* use some rain right about now
20:43 < RangerZ> go wax your car
20:43 < RangerZ> lol
20:45 < RangerZ> people have heating oil over there? or everyone have natural gas?
20:46 <@Dagmar> No... The _tanker_ that overturned.
20:46 <@Dagmar> What liquid fuel didn't burn off ran into the sewer system
20:46 < RangerZ> yeah.. i understand... what I was wondering is if there are home heating oil over there
20:46 < RangerZ> I'm guessing no
20:47 <@Dagmar> Oh no.  Not anywhere in Nashville that I'm aware of
20:47 < RangerZ> well thats good at least
20:47 < RangerZ> we don't need some random sewer blowing near one of those
20:47 < RangerZ> and starting _another_ fire
20:48 <@Dagmar> I still think this is funny as hell https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=927002667327456&set=vb.121386074555790&type=2&theater
20:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
20:48 <@Dagmar> Dude has a tiny little extinguisher and no clue whatsoever
20:49 <@Dagmar> That is definitely the manhole cover you see in the nearby flames
20:50 < RangerZ> lol....
20:50 < RangerZ> "right next to the cumberland river" too
20:51 <@Dagmar> ...and it will flow past my apt.
20:51 < RangerZ> "right next to GIANT gas storage tanks"
20:51 < RangerZ> "right next to dagmar"
20:51 < RangerZ> ....
20:51 <@Dagmar> I can promise you very detailed footage if the river is on fire later tonight
20:51 < RangerZ> I'm from mahoning county
20:51 < RangerZ> our river only caught on fire 8 times
20:52 < RangerZ> cayohoga county (cleveland)'s river was what basically forced people's hands to pass the EPA, b/c they were like ... yeah... _rivers_ shouldn't catch on fire....reguarly....
20:52 <@Dagmar> heheh
20:54 < aestetix> ok so
20:54 < aestetix> Dagmar: maybe you can enlighten me
20:54 < aestetix> what is the purpose of signing someone's public key
20:55 < RangerZ> in PGP?
20:55 < aestetix> yes
20:55 < RangerZ> to allow people who have trust in YOU, to have trust in THEM
20:55 < RangerZ> even if they have never met them
20:55 < RangerZ> making YOU the CA
20:56 < aestetix> RangerZ: ok. So what does it mean to sign it with level 0 versus level 2
20:56 < RangerZ> Certificate Authority*
20:56 < RangerZ> that... i don't know without looking it up
20:56 <@Dagmar> How sure you are it's them
20:56 < aestetix> RangerZ: the different trust levels indicate ..... levels of trust
20:56 < aestetix> Which I think is meaningless
20:56 < RangerZ> http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article9/pgp-signature-infos
20:56 <@GateKeeper> Title: PGP signatures with trust and verification level - Tanguy Ortolo (at tanguy.ortolo.eu)
20:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix: You would nearly be right
20:57 < aestetix> Oh I'm quite familiar with how key signing works. I just don't think it actually means what people think it means.
20:57 <@Dagmar> There's a reason no one gives much of a shit about that part of the protocol.  The definitions are pretty damn nebulous
20:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: right.
20:57 < aestetix> Then why do we have key signing parties?
20:57 < RangerZ> to build up critical mass
20:57 < aestetix> (and don't get me started on the parties that require id)
20:57 <@Dagmar> Like, if you've known someone for "ages" and you're 18 is a wildly different thing than if you're 40.
20:58 < aestetix> Here's a better question
20:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Mainly just to get people into the practice and introduce new people to the concept
20:58 < aestetix> Is there a way to show you trust someone without telling the whole fucking world?
20:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah, you don't publish
20:58 <@Dagmar> You give this new signing information only to people you trust
20:58 <@Dagmar> *kofkof*
20:58 < aestetix> I hope you see what I'm getting at
20:59 < aestetix> This is why I don't sign keys.
20:59 < aestetix> I'm all about teaching people about PGP. I am not down with replicating broken models for key signing
20:59 < RangerZ> its not a broken model
20:59 <@Dagmar> Key signing parties are almost entirely just about getting people used to the concepts
21:00 < RangerZ> just a part of the algorithm that might not be useful right now
21:00 < aestetix> RangerZ: no, it's broken
21:00 <@Dagmar> The signatures themselves are not particularly useful, since it's not so likely a bunch of strangers will create some magic chain of trust that leads to someone you actually know
21:00 < RangerZ> then you only trust chains of length 1?
21:00 < RangerZ> of people you've met?
21:01 <@Dagmar> No, it's not broken--it's just relatively meaningless in the context of the typical signing party
21:01 < aestetix> Maybe it's better to say
21:01 < aestetix> It doesn't actually mean what people seem to think it means
21:01 < RangerZ> aestetix: just stop... you're going to get your blood pressure up, we don't want to make you upset
21:02 < aestetix> I mean, I don't bother to look at who has signed someone's keys when I email them
21:02 < RangerZ> instead... go look at the reporters getting arrested in st. louis
21:02 < aestetix> If I'm wary, I'll send them a message on twitter or something
21:02 < RangerZ> ;)
21:02 < aestetix> hahah
21:03 < aestetix> But yeah. The key signing parties that require government issued ID, might as well say "we don't trust anyone but the government"
21:03 < aestetix> Which is funny given that most of them are doing these parties to hide from the government
21:06 < RangerZ> no... its just 'the League of Aestetix Strategic Trolling International & Nationwide Goombas' LASTINGs (Robert Downey Jr. Ironman Quote: Its what we call ourselves...)
21:09 <@Dagmar> Ideally you only pay attention to the chain of trust involving people you know _well_
21:09 <@Dagmar> ...and keys that have been signed by people you know personally.
21:09 <@Dagmar> The result is never a yes/no situation
21:10 < aestetix> unless you are RangerZ
21:11 <@Dagmar> In the days of PGP 2.6.2 the trust levels were even more complex.  It would give you two degrees of variance.  One for how sure you were of the person's identity, and another for how well you trust their judgement about this shit.
21:11 < RangerZ> yes.... but you could write a (as complex as you want) rule set to give you a HARD yes/no limit
21:12 <@Dagmar> ...which was a huge amount of worthless bullshit because in practice you'd almost never find that useful.
21:12 < RangerZ> exactly
21:12 < RangerZ> b/c you either are too lenient or too strict
21:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: good thing we have keybase.io now
21:12 <@Dagmar> ...which is why everything ignores those trust levels now, and shit is considered either signed or not.
21:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It's just another form of nebulous bullshit
21:13 < aestetix> I was mostly joking
21:13 <@Dagmar> For one thing, how would one get a public key "unsafely".
21:13 <@Dagmar> Ah okay
21:13 < aestetix> I won't use keybase because it uploads your private key by default
21:13 <@Dagmar> WHAT
21:13 < RangerZ> no, not by default
21:13 < RangerZ> it gives you the OPTION to upload if you want
21:13 < aestetix> if you generate a key on their server
21:13 < aestetix> it stores it there by default
21:13 <@Dagmar> It _should_ tell you to fuck right off about that
21:14 <@Dagmar> Letting someone else generate your keyring _seriously_ misses the point
21:14 < aestetix> I know I know, nobody should use a service like that to generate a key
21:14 < aestetix> But the fact that it hosts your private key by default is scar
21:14 <@Dagmar> I am guessing that's meant to only be used with relatively disposable "low security" keys
21:14 < aestetix> So it basically preys on beginners
21:15 < aestetix> I mean I trust enigmail with my private key
21:15 <@Dagmar> I see their example image shows github and stuff
21:15 < aestetix> But that's not on the fucking cloud
21:15 < RangerZ> or... its forced to by secret federal injunction or something
21:15 <@Dagmar> Those users tend to accidentally upload their goddamn private keys
21:15 < aestetix> and on that note I gotta run
21:15  * aestetix hugs RangerZ 
21:16 <@Dagmar> At least in another few years we'll be able to declare all the ancient goddamn keys on mit's server to be obsolete
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21:20 < RangerZ> an age of 10 years should be set as max age
21:21 < RangerZ> and if you need to renew your key, there are algorithms for key updates
21:21 <@Dagmar> They weren't real big on mentioning setting an expiration date pre 2.6.2
21:21 <@Dagmar> As a result, php.mit.edu is like this crypto-albatross
21:21 <@Dagmar> _Everyone's_ got keys in there they have no idea when the last saw the private key for
21:23 < RangerZ> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2462852/yahoo-mail-to-support-end-to-end-pgp-encryption-by-2015.html interesting
21:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Yahoo Mail to support end-to-end PGP encryption by 2015 | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com)
21:23 < RangerZ> found that when googling for current version
21:27 < RangerZ> swat force arresting press when they take photos of police... yeah... thats not good
21:27 <@Dagmar> That shit right there is why we need some phone clients fot Twitch
21:28 <@Dagmar> "WitnessWeb TV is ON THE AIR!"
21:28 <@Dagmar> "Need live witnesses fast?  Stream from your phone, right to live internet viewers1"
21:28 <@Dagmar> I can't think of a better way to get seriously scrutinized by law enforcement.
21:28 <@Dagmar> ...every single corrupt LEO around would want your head for that shit.
21:29 <@Dagmar> Cuz they so often say "Well you don't see the context leading up to that"
21:29 <@Dagmar> ...but what if you suspected you were about to get in some shit, and just started streaming.
21:29 <@Dagmar> Lots of people would camp the site just to be the first to see what comes next.
21:29 <@Dagmar> Instead of you and your one recording, it's you and 300 early-bird witnesses.
21:30 < RangerZ> its illegal in most states (not constitional, but still fucked up laws)
21:30 <@Dagmar> You wouldn't have to say "I have a recording of this!" you could say "WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE, BITCH."
21:30 <@Dagmar> No.
21:30 <@Dagmar> It's only illegal in a handful of states.
21:30 <@Dagmar> Like, California, Washington, and a few others.
21:30 <@Dagmar> Here?  Completely legal.
21:30 < RangerZ> the NJ ACLU has an app that'll do it, but it streams to their server in NJ
21:30 <@Dagmar> You're the only person who has to fuckin' know
21:31 <@Dagmar> THe only context in which you might be required to disclose would be called "disclosure"
21:31 <@Dagmar> Literally.
21:32 < RangerZ> just wait for google glass-like prostetics to exist
21:32 < RangerZ> or replacement eyeballs
21:32 < RangerZ> for the blind
21:32 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I have that app
21:32 < RangerZ> or the MPAA's worst nightmare... eyeball implant recorders
21:32 < RangerZ> lol
21:32 < RangerZ> as do I
21:32 <@Dagmar> It uploads to their server because they're ready for the fight
21:33 <@Dagmar> ...but if you want cops climbing around in your lower intestine, roll out a cloud-saving live-streaming app.
21:34 <@Dagmar> I figure the quasi-legal hell people would be subject to is the only reason we've not seen a product go on Kickstarter yet
21:35 <@Dagmar> Do we have the technology to make a handheld camera that simultaneously streams to the internet and cloud storage?  Fuck yes.
21:35 <@Dagmar> Are there lawyers shitty enough to file a class-action suit against you on behalf of the citizens of California?
21:35 <@Dagmar> COUNT ON IT.
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21:38 < RangerZ> yep
21:39 < RangerZ> then just wait for them to say 'protect the children' b/c you might record a child naked or something when swimtrunks fall
21:39 < RangerZ> or any other bs reason they could think of
21:39 <@Dagmar> All they'd need is the possibility that someone in California might buy such a device.
21:39 <@Dagmar> It's a two-party consent state
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21:39 <@Dagmar> It's use there would very readily fall afoul of the law
21:40 <@Dagmar> Dumb shit like that is why it's almost _not_ useful to have the OGM say "this call may be recorded blah blah blah"
21:41 < RangerZ> want to fuck with place you call, repeat that statement, and replace 'training' for 'legal'
21:41 < RangerZ> puts them on such a fucking 'omg wtf' stance
21:41 < RangerZ> lol
21:42 <@Dagmar> I prefer it to remain my little secret
21:42 <@Dagmar> That reminds me
21:42 <@Dagmar> Meh I'll do it this weekend
21:42 <@Dagmar> I need to do the layout for some signs.
21:42 <@Dagmar> Largish signs
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21:43 <@Dagmar> Signs that say "NOTICE: Any and all electronic recording devices are subject to monitoring by law enforcement personnell."
21:43 <@Dagmar> s/recording/
21:43 < RangerZ> for PN?
21:43 <@Dagmar> Yep.
21:43 < RangerZ> or for your office?
21:43 < RangerZ> LOL
21:44 <@Dagmar> Because I guarantee you that without explanation, people will freak the fuck out and blame _us_.
21:44 <@oddball> Yeah... if only if it wasn't for those pesky laws in some states.
21:44 <@Dagmar> ...and I will _not_ do any "reveal" about it until Saturday night.
21:44 <@Dagmar> "HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS, GENTLEMEN?"
21:45 <@oddball> Yeah... best to just assume that.
21:45 < RangerZ> by then only the rapists will be there, if PN doesn't have a women only talk and room(s)
21:45 <@Dagmar> But by god people will finally be appropriately pissed off about it
21:45 <@Dagmar> oddball: s/assume/KNOW/
21:45 <@Dagmar> THis is the problem we face now
21:46 <@Dagmar> It's very clear the NSA are basically tapping and recording every goddamn thing they can get their hands on
21:46 <@oddball> fair enough
21:46 <@Dagmar> That _despite_ the fact that it's been revealed that they are _still_ doing it.
21:46 <@Dagmar> ...and that it is completely anathema to big pieces of our Constitution.
21:46 < RangerZ> http://www.gamestop.com/toys/monopoly-the-legend-of-zelda-gamestop-exclusive-edition/115791 hmm...
21:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: MONOPOLY: The Legend of Zelda GameStop Exclusive Edition for Card & Board Games | GameStop (at www.gamestop.com)
21:46 <@Dagmar> ...but people readily ignore things that they don't want to hear about, until you make it personal.
21:47 <@Dagmar> ...and give them a few months and it'll be like they never heard it in the first place.
21:47 <@Dagmar> This is a thing we have the power to change.
21:47 <@oddball> wasn't it Pelosi who was fine with it until she found out that "everyone" included her?
21:47 <@Dagmar> oddball: THat's one example, yes
21:48 <@Dagmar> I've already done one "test".
21:48 < RangerZ> thats barbra boxer I thought
21:48 <@Dagmar> There was yelling.
21:48 < RangerZ> but probably both
21:48 <@Dagmar> The sign was only up for 18 minutes.
21:48 <@Dagmar> This has the potential to produce more luls than Lemon Party flyers
21:49 <@Dagmar> ...and yes, this is a "Come at me bro!"
21:50 <@Dagmar> So... *shhhh* only you people and the LEOs know now.  :)
21:51 < RangerZ> Dagmar: the Lemon Party flyers should have the bioshock infinite 'pro america' symbolism that FOX news has accidently using, lol
21:52 <@Dagmar> Oh I did a good job on them
21:52 <@Dagmar> THey're very iconic
21:53 < RangerZ> ohh, I didn't know you had already made them
21:53 < RangerZ> or design* at least
21:54 <@Dagmar> Made, and distributed.
21:54 <@Dagmar> "Some people" have them as SVG
21:54 <@Dagmar> Should the time become appropriate, they'll be posted up around some college campuses all around the US
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22:02 < RangerZ> well there goes 'peaceful protest'
22:02 < RangerZ> :/
22:04 <@Dagmar> It'll be quite peaceful.
22:05 <@Dagmar> Other people's nightmares are their own problems.
22:05 < RangerZ> sorry, meant in st. louis
22:05 <@Dagmar> Ah
22:05 <@Dagmar> Well, what do you expect when you bullshit people and then send in goddamn swat teams against unarmed civilians
22:06 <@Dagmar> The FAA issued a "no fly zone" order for the area today
22:06 < RangerZ> yeah
22:06 <@Dagmar> Clearly the cops don't want people videotaping from helicopters
22:06 < RangerZ> b/c a helicopter had a water bottle thrown at it... or something
22:06 < RangerZ> pretty much
22:06 <@Dagmar> ..which is a lie.
22:07 <@Dagmar> If someone can throw a water bottle and hit a helicopter, they are either a major league baseball pitcher, or the helicopter was _very_ in violation of FAA regulations about flying low over populated areas.
22:10 < RangerZ> put police helis are allow there
22:10 < RangerZ> 'of course'
22:11 < RangerZ> are allowed*
22:13 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:13 <@Dagmar> That's why I'm pretty sure this is a matter of they don't want the news coverage showing them pepper spraying and firing rubber bullets blindly into crowds of people simply standing there.
22:13 <@Dagmar> ...and probably worse.
22:24 <@wilpig> hehe.  I amuse me.  http://geeknic.net/#thirdPage
22:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.net)
22:27 < RangerZ> ohh good... thats beautiful.... the st. louis police haven't even _trained_ for a riot with the equipment they are using
22:35 <@CRasH180> Why should they need training?
22:35 <@CRasH180> Just point and shoot
22:35 <@CRasH180> At least it seems as if that is what they are doing
22:38 < RangerZ> ohh and police asking media to stop recording
22:38 < RangerZ> thats fucking...great...
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22:38 <@CRasH180> Yeah, I heard about that. How many people think that will really happen?
22:42 < RangerZ> I just listened to a newscaster say the police said it right before the gas was started
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22:48 <@Dagmar> That's precisely the time to *start* recording.
22:48 <@Dagmar> "We don't want any witnesses for what will come next."
22:49 <@Dagmar> YouTube may be carrying some very _interesting_ footage tomorrow unless they turn off the Internet and cellular data
22:49 < RangerZ> pretty much
22:49 <@Dagmar> I do not, however, suspect they have as many allies as were involved in the suppression of Occupy footage
22:49 < RangerZ> msnbc alone has some interesting video right now
22:50 < RangerZ> from standard media
22:50 < RangerZ> of all things... from a radio station
22:50 <@Dagmar> I despair of what spin they may decide to put on it.
22:50 <@Dagmar> I expect FOX will be like watching Chinese government proclamations.
22:55 < RangerZ> i'd love someone rich, going and giving every legally able person a gun and everyone a gas mask... just to see the police's reaction
22:55 < RangerZ> lol
22:55 < RangerZ> *bad mike*
22:56 <@Dagmar> So... here's a question...
22:56 < RangerZ> throwing 'greek fire' on a campfire
22:56 <@Dagmar> How many militarized police offers are currently on the streets of Ferguson...
22:56 <@Dagmar> ...in proportion to the acreage, and population
22:56 <@Dagmar> ...in comparison to somewhere we might be "occupying" in some city in the Middle East.
22:56 <@CRasH180> Yeah, I saw the gear they are wearing and am wondering why the Police are strating to all look like S.W.A.T. team members
22:57 <@CRasH180> s/strating/starting
22:57 <@Dagmar> ...because this situation is _royally fucked_.
22:57 < RangerZ> they got excess military gear, that way we could buy NEW military gear
22:57 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: They are actually wearing _military surplus_ gear
22:57 <@Dagmar> Those don't look "like" army issue, they _are_ army issue.
22:58 <@CRasH180> Did they raid an army surplus store?
22:58 < RangerZ> govt program
22:58 <@Dagmar> ...and they're very literally telling the news media one thing and doing something else entirely.
22:58 <@CRasH180> How would the media not want to cover this?
22:58 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: It's a formal program already in place to give cops this equipment upon request
22:58 < RangerZ> how else are you going to buy 10x the military gear we need, unless you 'give it away to cities who need it' every year
22:59 <@Dagmar> Because it's a nightmare
22:59 <@CRasH180> Yay! free gear
22:59 <@Dagmar> We've literally established a military occupation in one of our OWN FUCKING CITIES
22:59 <@CRasH180> military swag bags for everyoned
22:59 <@Dagmar> Here in the motherfucking USA.
22:59 <@Dagmar> Politically, things just don't get more fucked up than this without massacres
23:00 < RangerZ> ...which... isn't out of the question... with the powderkeg we have now
23:00 <@CRasH180> yeah, this might just happen
23:02 <@CRasH180> It is very sad that this is happening. It is sad that we allow this to happen
23:02 <@Dagmar> Lindsey was just asking me about the White House
23:03 <@Dagmar> She thought it would turn into a race issue.
23:03 <@Dagmar> I'm like... umm... NO.
23:03 < RangerZ> huh?
23:03 <@Dagmar> If the White House _has_ to address this, it will look _very_ bad
23:03 < RangerZ> ohh
23:03 < RangerZ> yeah...
23:03 < RangerZ> thats not good
23:03 <@Dagmar> The _White House_ would have to come out and say "This is wrong"
23:03 <@Dagmar> If these cops don't chill the fuck out, it's not going to "de-escalate"... All hell's going to break loose.
23:04 <@Dagmar> I expect we'll hear something from the White House pretty quickly once that happens
23:05 <@Dagmar> I figure they're probably trying to pull in favors by whatever means necessary
23:05 < RangerZ> him or the gov. sending in the national gaurd to act a police FOR the POLICE, but nomially there for protecting 'both sides'
23:06 <@Dagmar> MIght be nowhere near enough after what happened in LA today
23:06 <@Dagmar> It's not like the cops there don't kill an unarmed person on the streets there five times a year already but...
23:06 < RangerZ> yeah... I saw that... so I'm worried about shit...
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23:06 <@Dagmar> Literally the same thing happebed in LA
23:06 <@Dagmar> What goes down in Ferguson, is very likely to be mirrored in _LOs Angeles_
23:07 < RangerZ> LOL
23:07 <@Dagmar> So, if shit "goes down" in Ferguson, watch LA very carefully.
23:07 < RangerZ> there are people there with full gas helmets,
23:07 <@Dagmar> There are a *lot* of armed motherfuckers there
23:07 < RangerZ> looks to be journalists
23:07 <@Dagmar> Ferguson is small
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23:08 <@Dagmar> In LA, you could have literall war in the streets
23:08 < RangerZ> easily
23:08 < RangerZ> for fucks sake... when they had a 'no questions asked' gun turn in Youngstown... they got a fucking military rpg turned in
23:09 <@Dagmar> hehe
23:09 < RangerZ> just imagine what drug dealers in LA have
23:09 <@Dagmar> Sooo... Pitchforks and Torches party forming probably
23:09 < RangerZ> Ytown only has a population of 62k
23:09 <@Dagmar> s/party/Party/
23:10 <@oddball> RangerZ: Really?
23:10  * oddball looks it up
23:10 <@Dagmar> Basically, any time the cops show up with enough hardware to _murder everyone_, we have a problem
23:10 < RangerZ> you won't find it in the news oddball, we don't publish our bad news
23:10 < RangerZ> lol
23:11 <@Dagmar> Ranger: Hey it's better than North Dakota
23:11 <@oddball> http://www.military.com/video/rockets/shoulder-launched-weapons/gun-buyback-yields-rocket-launchers/2065786420001/
23:11 <@Dagmar> I actually know someone there in another channel.
23:11 <@Dagmar> I have teased him about this before
23:11 <@Dagmar> "No you don't.  No one actually lives there"
23:11 < RangerZ> lol
23:11 < RangerZ> Dagmar: the "county" has 1/4 million people
23:12 < RangerZ> just no one is stupid enough to live in the 'city'
23:12 <@oddball> Ah... both of them were launchers that weren't designed to to be reloaded and weren't loaded. So... some folks turned in some empty tubes.
23:13 < RangerZ> think 'detroit' , where people don't mind living 'just outside it' but no one wants to send their children to that school system
23:13 < RangerZ> etc
23:14 < RangerZ> thats how Ytown is, some of the top schools in state (& nation for music) are all suburbs, but no one goes to Ytown school system, unless you are ultra-poor
23:16 <@Dagmar> I would not be even a tiny bit surprised to hear tomorrow that a certain Ferguson cop has legged it to Mexico
23:16 < RangerZ> ACLU has filed suit to find out his name too
23:17 < RangerZ> b/c thats whats pissing people off so much...
23:17 < RangerZ> and 'its never the crime that gets you... its the cover up'
23:17 <@Dagmar> Yep
23:18 < RangerZ> apparently twitter is ablaze (not as much as fergusson)
23:18  * RangerZ already feels bad for that joke
23:18 <@oddball> SO... the official story is that there was a struggle inside the squad car for the officer's gun and the officer shot him in the scuffle?
23:18 < RangerZ> something like that
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23:18 <@Dagmar> Yeah and dude had a friend with it who is saying that's a lie
23:18 < RangerZ> and that he was 35ft away... running away from the car, when he was shot
23:18 <@Dagmar> SO, relilability aside, there's a witness to dispute the events
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23:19 <@oddball> oh, so he wasn't shot in the sqad car?
23:19 < RangerZ> so... the medical examiner's report is going to be crucial
23:19 < RangerZ> and then he was suppose to be shot more after he turned around and put his hands up
23:19 <@Dagmar> Oh of course the officer will have been acting within the guidelines of his training
23:19 < RangerZ> if hands were up, or he was running away, or both... the body will prove/disprove that
23:20 <@Dagmar> Because they've got the ability to just gun an unarmed, fleeing man down.
23:20 <@Dagmar> Surprise!
23:20 <@Dagmar> It's all legal!
23:20 <@Dagmar> ...and a PROBLEM.
23:20 < RangerZ> don't worry, he was declared an enemy combatant between the time the cop saw him, and he died
23:21 < RangerZ> retro-actively
23:21 <@oddball> Well, the family can sue for wrongful death, but the cop has imunity while on the job.
23:21 <@Dagmar> So long as he was engaging in a "legal action".
23:21 <@Dagmar> ...which means, if he was following procedure.
23:21 <@Dagmar> If he wasn't following procedure, then he _can_ be hauled up on and convicted of murder charges.
23:21 < RangerZ> EVERY fucking cop is going to have to have a camera on them
23:22 <@Dagmar> ...which will immediately be reduced to manslaughter.
23:22 < RangerZ> thats what all this is going to lead to
23:22 <@Dagmar> It would help
23:22 <@oddball> Yeah, but cops watch their own, so everything is by procedure.
23:22 < RangerZ> it might help de-train cops to be assholes
23:22 <@wilpig> alright you three.  how bad is it?  http://geeknic.info ?
23:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.info)
23:22 <@Dagmar> ...but I imagine it will likely result in just more evidence to hide and swear everything was fine.
23:23 < RangerZ> wilpig: bad(good?) news for you, only Corydon76-home was staring at you
23:23 <@oddball> God damnit... one of my con-going friends just invited me to his baby shower... during a con he knows I'm planning on being at.
23:23 < RangerZ> AT the con?
23:24 <@oddball> Sadly, no.
23:24 <@Dagmar> Send him a toy drum set or xylophone.
23:24 <@wilpig> It's amusing the hell out of me, but dementia always says if something i'm doing makes me laugh i'm not supposed to do it.
23:24 <@Dagmar> Something that will allow the hyperactive child to make loud, irritating noises.
23:24 <@Dagmar> :)
23:24 <@oddball> Hell... It's during Outsidecon, so they *could* have done that.
23:24 <@wilpig> send him a box of condoms and written instructions
23:24 < RangerZ> or his wife a BJ kit
23:25 <@oddball> actually, Dagmar, you know the guy.  Adam Doochin.
23:25 <@Dagmar> Heheh
23:26 <@Dagmar> definitely a toy xylophone for the child.  :)
23:26 <@oddball> I need to remember to mention in the card that it must be great for his wife to have a second child in the house.
23:26 <@Dagmar> _This_ is a game I know well
23:27 <@Dagmar> heheh
23:28 < RangerZ> oddball: god I hope you aren't teasing about her having a kid from a second marriage
23:28 < RangerZ> lol
23:29 < RangerZ> first*
23:29 < RangerZ> who knows... maybe he's 3rd
23:29 < RangerZ> lol
23:29 <@Dagmar> No he's saying Adam is a child.  Heheh
23:30 < RangerZ> yeah, I know, but a friend of mine made that comment on a card once... and it turned out she DID have an earlier kid
23:31 < RangerZ> that he wasn't aware of
23:31 < RangerZ> 'akward'
23:31 < RangerZ> lol
23:32 <@oddball> heh... oops.
23:32 <@Dagmar> hahahah
23:32 <@Dagmar> CRITICAL HIT!
23:32 <@oddball> No, what Dagmar said.
23:33 <@Dagmar> ...or possibly critical failure on save
23:34 < RangerZ> http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/ if anyone wants to see
23:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: RockinRoosters Live Politics | LNC Live News Cloud Stream (at www.livenewschat.eu)
23:34 < RangerZ> and doesn't have cable TV
23:35 <@Dagmar> Wow
23:35 <@Dagmar> "Evacutating" police
23:35 <@Dagmar> Very, very bad.
23:35 <@Dagmar> Oh dear
23:36 <@Dagmar> An IP-phone mysteriously loses connection
23:36 <@oddball> The police are evacuating the area?
23:37 <@Dagmar> No, but they definitely evacuated that news crew that was just talking on the feed
23:37 <@Dagmar> That's what the woman was reporting.
23:37 <@Dagmar> They were in a nearby residential area and the police "evacuated" them away from the area
23:39 <@Dagmar> Oh look.
23:39 <@Dagmar> Tear gas.
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23:39 <@oddball> oh hey! After 5 minutes of those fucking "lean foward" comercials, actual content!
23:40 < RangerZ> oddball: this is the satallite feed, those should have been all commercials
23:40 < RangerZ> they just put them in as 'filler'
23:40 <@oddball> Meant that I got to listen to that racist asshole Sharpton.
23:41 <@Corydon76-home> Forget that crap.  Today's news was the exploding sewers in West Nashville
23:41 <@oddball> I heard about the tanker truck exploding.  Didn't hear about the sewers.
23:42 < RangerZ> gas went into sewer
23:42 <@Corydon76-home> Some of the gasoline from the tanker leaked into the sewer, and there were a number of subterranean explosions, as a result
23:42 < RangerZ> and then the fucking turtles were lighting it on fire
23:43 <@Corydon76-home> Cops were warning people to stay inside, away from manhole covers
23:43 < RangerZ> 1/2 way between millions of gallons of gas, and Dagmar's apt.
23:43 <@oddball> ah, ok
23:43 <@Corydon76-home> Since an explosion could shoot the covers sky-high
23:43 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: You saw WRKN's video, right?  I'd be making staying the fuck away from manhole covers a priority
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23:44 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, that's the other thing.  It was on Centennial Blvd, just a couple of blocks from some giant towers full of gasoline
23:44 <@Dagmar> Oh yes
23:44 <@oddball> It's a terrorist plot by crazypants against Dagmar
23:44 <@Dagmar> One of the Ingress players works two blocks freom there.
23:44 <@Dagmar> After I mentioned why they were hearing the sirens they were annoying, they did a very reasonable GTFO
23:44 <@Corydon76-home> Did they actually get a sewer explosion on film?
23:44 <@oddball> oh, "fun"
23:44 < RangerZ> yeah
23:45 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Oh holy shit yes.  Hit WKRN's Facebook feed
23:45 < RangerZ> a guy was out there with a fire exstinguisher
23:45 <@Dagmar> It's fucking HILARIOUS
23:45 <@Corydon76-home> Sweet
23:45 <@oddball> OH, was *that* what that was
23:45 <@Dagmar> You *know* they had that camera on a tripod.  LOL
23:46 <@Dagmar> Any normal human woulnd't have held that shit steady.  "Shit" being what they would be doing in their pants
23:46 <@Dagmar> You can _see_ the goddamn manhole cover in mid-air
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23:52 < RangerZ> that video has better graphics than The new Turtles movie
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23:52 < RangerZ> ...yep...went there
23:52 <@Dagmar> heheh
23:53 <@Dagmar> Well, of course it does.  Did you not see the byline credits?  Michael Bay.
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23:59 <@Dagmar> I've updated Facebook.
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