--- Log opened Mon Aug 11 00:00:16 2014 00:08 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:13 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:20 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 00:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 00:39 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 01:52 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly 01:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Humble Weekly Bundle: Japan Edition (pay what you want and help charity) (at www.humblebundle.com) 01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> some really nice games on there this time 02:02 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 02:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ: how many students do you have 02:04 < RangerZ> what you mean? 02:04 < aestetix_> I thought you taught a class 02:04 < RangerZ> ohh, no, just subbing in for my advisor 02:04 < RangerZ> ~30 or so 02:05 < RangerZ> got offered to be an adjunct when I got my masters, but I can't live off < 10k/yr 02:05 < RangerZ> so adjunct profs are just people who have spare time and like to teach 02:06 < aestetix_> how the fuck can anyone live off that 02:06 < RangerZ> they live with their husband/wives who have another job(s) 02:07 < aestetix_> and meanwhile someone in the bay area makes $120k for making buttons on a website 02:07 < RangerZ> the only people living off of it, are adjuncts who are looking to become full time faculty 02:07 < RangerZ> well aestetix_ welcome to the REAL issue with our education system, which is creeping more and more into high erd 02:08 < RangerZ> I'd be a HS programming/math teacher right now... except I wanted to provide for my family in the future 02:08 < RangerZ> and I'd be lucky, since I'd get ~50k, which is a LOT higher than avergage, b/c of where I went to school 02:08 < RangerZ> and being from my home town 02:08 < aestetix_> uh 02:09 < aestetix_> so a HS programming/math teacher can't earn enough to provide for a family? 02:09 < RangerZ> no one can make enough to provide for a family 02:09 < aestetix_> true 02:09 < RangerZ> unless you're very lucky 02:09 < RangerZ> but 50k in NE Ohio is ~100~120kk in san fran 02:10 < RangerZ> I could buy a decent house for ~60k 02:10 < RangerZ> 100k~130k for a ~2000sq.ft. ranch house or so 02:11 < RangerZ> hell I've actually been pricing it out, if I lived at home, I could probably afford to build a small house after just a year or so 02:12 < RangerZ> Thinking up plans for a house for my mom 02:13 < RangerZ> I'm even thinking about a split house, with sound proofing, so we'd have a common property, but different living areas, with a joined central 'family room(s)' 02:13 < aestetix_> http://playspent.org/ 02:13 < aestetix_> there it is 02:13 < aestetix_> you'll appreciate that 02:13 < RangerZ> a grey page? 02:13 < RangerZ> lol 02:14 < RangerZ> ahh, ghostery blocked everything on the page 02:14 < RangerZ> lol 02:15 < RangerZ> nice 02:15 < aestetix_> it's scary but accurate 02:15 < RangerZ> http://redistrictinggame.org/ 02:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: The ReDistricting Game (at redistrictinggame.org) 02:16 < RangerZ> thats SCARY 02:16 < RangerZ> game that teaches you how to gerrymander 02:16 < RangerZ> and how it works, etc 02:16 < RangerZ> very informative 02:16 < RangerZ> the nuance in it 02:17 < aestetix_> wow this is cool 02:17 < aestetix_> but yeah it seems like in the US 02:17 < aestetix_> there are rich people, and fucked peopel 02:19 < aestetix_> I love how right off the bat, choose your party 02:20 < RangerZ> rich vs poor is going to be the biggest issue for the next 20 years 02:20 < RangerZ> b/c we're WORSE than we were during 1) gilded age 2) robber barrons age 02:21 < RangerZ> hell Youngstown's biggest name historically was one of the robber barrons, Maag (not as well known as Rockefeller/Mellon, but same ~power/influence/wealth at the time, etc 02:22 < aestetix_> well 02:22 < aestetix_> we are the first generation to be worse off than our parents 02:22 < RangerZ> Maag created the first Art Museum of American Art in Youngstown because the owners of 'Snap the Whip', wouldn't sell it to a non-museum 02:22 < RangerZ> so he just _built_ a museum 02:22 < RangerZ> lol 02:26 < RangerZ> and we're going to die earlier 02:26 < RangerZ> YAY US 02:42 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTpcK80irdQhW3MF97dRl67PiJh8WSU5O 02:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: SPENT: Looking For Change - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:42 < RangerZ> aestetix_: Visa and TYT partnered for a look into how our banking system fails us 02:43 < RangerZ> its thankfully not very preachy about visa's answers, but still, its a problem 02:43 < RangerZ> sorry AmEx, not visa 02:52 < aestetix_> RangerZ: the issue with the gerrymandering game is that there always seems to be a way to win 02:58 < RangerZ> b/c there is 02:58 < RangerZ> its not a 'game' 02:58 < RangerZ> its a teaching lesson 02:59 < RangerZ> if Politicans get to select their votors, then politicans get to decide who is elected 03:04 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/298487125400223744 03:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / ezraklein: Gerrymandering is not what’s ... (at twitter.com) 03:04 < RangerZ> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/03/gerrymandering-is-not-whats-wrong-with-american-politics/ 03:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gerrymandering is not whats wrong with American politics - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) 03:04 < RangerZ> for aestetix_ 03:06 < RangerZ> FINALLY 03:06 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9x30cZTSc 03:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: How politicians rig elections, explained in 2 minutes - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:06 < RangerZ> there we go 03:06 < RangerZ> Video Ezra Klein made about the topic a little while ago 04:48 < aestetix_> man 04:48 < aestetix_> Black Mesa is awesome 04:56 < aestetix_> http://www.the-drone.com/magazine/media/2012/11/lo%20res%20Krent%20Able%27s%20Laugh-In%20%28p2%29.jpeg 06:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: you'd appreciate the character in the game I'm playing, he's gay, but refuses to admit it, and so his inner 'persona' goes psycho and transforms into a giant wielding 2 male gender symbols, as his weapons... that and the bed of roses that are acting as his pirate shirt's fluffy ruffle collar... and his muscle builder henchmen... hehe 06:08 < aestetix_> RangerZ: do you know offhand how old the idea of negative income tax is? 06:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> god japanese have no problem playing stereotypes to full effect 06:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: offhand no, but I think its a good idea, that would lead to horrible outcomes after politics got envolved 06:08 < aestetix_> right 06:08 < aestetix_> The question I'm trying to answer 06:09 < aestetix_> is why did FDR implement welfare instead of a NIT 06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> NIT? 06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> national income tax? 06:09 < aestetix_> negative income tax 06:09 < aestetix_> yeah 06:09 < aestetix_> And it would make sense if milton friedman was the first to propose it 06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> because FDR hated the idea of welfare 06:10 < aestetix_> heh 06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> didn't want people on "the dole" 06:10 < aestetix_> so he wanted to make it as hard as possible to get the money? 06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was the first female cabinet member who pushed FDR into, and got the new deal passed 06:10 < aestetix_> who? 06:10 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 06:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just saw a really interesting piece on this, let me find link 06:11 < aestetix_> thanks 06:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins 06:11 < aestetix_> because you can trace a lot of issues with america to FDR 06:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Frances Perkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 06:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd say you can trace a lot of the 'current manifestations of issues' to FDR, since he changed how we deal with issues, but we had the same root issues before, and after 06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/what-would-frances-perkins-think-the-curre 06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-most-important-liberal-youve-never-heard 06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> both from the last word, is where I saw it 06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> i've meant to read into it more, but haven't had time 06:13 < aestetix_> well FDR got away with a lot of stuff because of the depression and pearl harbor 06:14 < aestetix_> I'd love to look at the congressional record from when he pushed the new deal through 06:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> and? LBJ got away with passing the civil rights acts, etc b/c of JFK's assassination, and him basically blackmailing people from TX that he new personally, and manipulating people behind the scenes b/c he was a die hard congress insider 06:16 < aestetix_> haha 06:16 < aestetix_> right 06:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> he was crass, rude, and chauvinistic, started vietnam, and everything, but he got the civil/voting rights acts passed 06:17 < aestetix_> yep 06:18 < aestetix_> I know pretty much everything (according to Robert Caro) about LBJ up until 1960 06:18 < aestetix_> he did all kinds of stuff, including making his aides come into the bathroom with him and taking a shit in front of them 06:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but hell, compared to the head of he FBI... he's a saint 06:19 < aestetix_> hahah 06:19 < aestetix_> I have a book on Hoover I should read 06:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> hoover was in then right? 06:20 < aestetix_> yes 06:20 < aestetix_> March 23, 1935 – May 2, 1972 06:20 < aestetix_> afk 06:20 < aestetix_> also 06:20 * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 06:41 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr 07:30 < aestetix_> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/i-liked-everything-i-saw-on-facebook-for-two-days-heres-what-it-did-to-me/ 07:30 < aestetix_> this is a fascinating experiment 07:45 -!- iabosip [~iabosi@neverenough.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:45 -!- iabosip [~iabosi@neverenough.info] has joined #se2600 07:59 <@wilpig> aestetix_: it's a very good article and reflection on the state of data mining in regards to advertising 08:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:20 < scribbles> ahoy 08:21 <@Dolemite> Arrr! 08:32 < aestetix_> wilpig: indeed 08:32 < aestetix_> Because it's not just "data mining is bad" 08:33 < aestetix_> But that what we're doing really doesn't work very well 08:33 <@wilpig> It just shows that the tools we're using assume the user will act in a specific way. they aren't accounting for the better idiot factor 08:33 < aestetix_> it would do some good to get all these idiot technologists in a room and not let them leave until they have read I, Robot 08:33 < aestetix_> and Foundation for good measure 08:34 < aestetix_> wilpig: the epitome of assumptions without user testing is that Windows 8 made it to the public 08:34 <@wilpig> god knows Dolemite and I have written shit and put into opendcim that we intended for folks to use one way and they went down some strange path and caused us to look back and completely rethink the flow of things 08:35 < aestetix_> Apple claims they just put stuff out there and it works, but I imagine they do an insane amount of user testing 08:36 <@wilpig> apparently we had another DDoS this morning. we sustained about 25Gb/s for roughly 20 minutes 08:37 < aestetix_> god damn 08:37 < aestetix_> Maybe it was a religious group angry about the porn 08:37 <@wilpig> we've had several like that over the past few weeks 08:37 <@wilpig> neteng/security thinks we're being probed for capacity / functionality 08:37 < aestetix_> I'm on the tail-end of getting chef finally working 08:38 < aestetix_> which means we'll be able to scale against DDoS attacks if we get one 08:38 < aestetix_> Stage 2 is integrating with cloudflare 08:39 <@wilpig> we're about to get something spun up with cloudflare 08:39 <@wilpig> lots of engineering changes had to happen here first 08:39 * aestetix_ nods 08:39 < aestetix_> just like for getting chef going 08:40 < aestetix_> I also have to overhaul our network, as well as our deploy process 08:40 < aestetix_> but it will make a ton of stuff just work, and dozens of errors I often have to deal with will go away 08:40 < aestetix_> leaving me to do even less! 08:40 < aestetix_> the trick is to make sure you don't automate so well that it's obvious you no longer have anything to do :p 08:42 < aestetix_> also vagina 08:42 <@wilpig> "ash why have we been playing tennis with a pokeball?" 08:43 <@wilpig> "because picachu pissed on my rug" 08:43 < aestetix_> at least donald duck didn't masturbate on your toast 08:44 < aestetix_> Imagine poor mickey waking up to that 08:48 < aestetix_> on an unrelated note, did anything interesting come out of blackhat/defcon? 08:48 <@wilpig> nothing major of note. 08:48 <@wilpig> the wardriving cat was amusing 08:48 < aestetix_> That's what it seems like. 08:48 < aestetix_> I really liked Dan Geer's blackhat keynote. 08:48 < aestetix_> Beyond that, yeah.... 08:53 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 08:53 < aestetix_> It's amusing that I think the number one criticism HOPE got this year was overcrowding. 08:54 <@wilpig> hope just has a really awful space 08:54 < aestetix_> lol 08:55 < aestetix_> We have to figure out something for next time. Because.... the hotel penn really isn't big enough anymore, and there's nowhere else in NYC we can do it. 08:55 < aestetix_> Maybe madison square garden will donate their space for the weekend 08:55 <@wilpig> yeah right 08:56 < aestetix_> wilpig: did you have a good time at HOPE though? 08:57 <@wilpig> so so. I wasn't there a whole lot. 08:57 <@wilpig> no major complaints anyhow 08:58 < aestetix_> I will point out that HOPE had video streaming, unlike DefCon 08:59 <@wilpig> defcon sells their videos for $$$ 08:59 < aestetix_> so does HOPE 08:59 < aestetix_> Although we also give speakers a free copy of their talk DVD and allow them to do whatever they want with it 09:29 <@Dolemite> That's good 09:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 09:50 < aestetix_> Ok so 09:50 < aestetix_> What book would you require someone to read before hiring them? 09:52 <@wilpig> One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish 09:52 <@Dickie> Books are for faggots, trick question 09:53 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: and cock handlers 09:55 <@wilpig> guess I better get in the mood to work now. kaleem should be here any moment now 09:58 < aestetix_> Wow, I didn't know Montel Williams was doing commercials for loan sharks 09:58 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDylgzybWAw 10:01 <@Corydon76-home> Given the topic of Montel's episodes, is there anybody who would be happy to see him on their doorstep with a camera? 10:01 <@Corydon76-home> Compare Oprah or Ellen 10:02 <@Corydon76-home> Even Donahue has gotten out of the act, because people don't want to see him, and that makes for very limited endorsement prospects 10:02 < aestetix_> Ja-reee! Ja-reee! 10:03 <@wilpig> I would love to see springer on my doorstep 10:03 <@Corydon76-home> Springer's show was long ago exposed as a farce, not a real show. 10:04 < aestetix_> What if Jerry Springer joined the Publisher's Clearing House 10:04 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/where-do-they-get-these-people/Content?oid=1185378 10:04 < aestetix_> Shows up on random doorsteps with a media crew and says "did you know your baby's father is really the truck driver?" 10:05 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:05 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: that would be Montel, not Springer 10:05 <@Corydon76-home> Springer only books actors 10:07 < aestetix_> Oh wow. Payday loan places are charging up to 1900% annual interest rates? 10:08 <@wilpig> springer had plenty of real guests but they definitely hammed up the proceedings 10:09 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:09 <@wilpig> I've heard several interviews with him on the radio saying precisely that. he was always amused by the people that wanted on his show to air their dirty laundry nationally 10:09 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11 < aestetix_> Dolemite: wilpig speaking of making the talks accessible for free.... 10:11 < aestetix_> This hasn't been announced yet, but http://x.hope.net/schedule.html 10:11 < aestetix_> You can now download the audio of all the talks 10:15 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: there always was some question about whether Springer actually knew that the show was fake. He did keep plausible deniability over it. 10:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 10:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 10:19 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36 < aestetix_> Oh christ. 10:36 < aestetix_> They made a movie out of The Giver. 10:36 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING 10:36 * shapr hugs Shadow404 10:36 <@shapr> ain't it a byootiful day out thar? 10:36 * aestetix_ hands shapr a "g" before he can say anything 10:36 <@shapr> She wants the g 10:40 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 10:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 10:40 * shapr hugs klixa 10:40 <@shapr> y0 y0 10:41 < aestetix_> shapr: where is my vaina 10:41 <@shapr> aestetix_: am I your vaina's keeper? 10:41 * shapr chortles 10:41 < aestetix_> don't you mean "queefs"? 10:42 <@shapr> !ud queefs 10:42 <@shapr> I'm afraid to even look up the definition. 10:42 * shapr turns up the dubstep and codes faster 10:42 <@shapr> This is phat country! 10:42 < aestetix_> oh jesus fuck you like dubstep? 10:42 < aestetix_> /kicks Shadow404 10:42 < aestetix_> oops 10:42 < aestetix_> I meant shapr 10:42 <@shapr> psh 10:43 < aestetix_> wub wub wub 10:43 <@shapr> I'm going to the dubstep block party in Nashville a coupla weeks from now 10:43 < aestetix_> maybe you can pick up a few beats to bring with you 10:43 <@shapr> I'm looking forward to seeing Diplo, Zed's Dead, and GRiZ. You gonna be there? 10:43 < aestetix_> because dubstep seems to forget about them 10:43 <@shapr> Assuming I get my underkillt project done in time I'll be wearing it there. 10:43 < aestetix_> I hate dubstep 10:44 <@shapr> it's cool, everybody has their own taste in music. What do you like? 10:44 < aestetix_> country AND western 10:44 <@shapr> Cool, got any favorite recent artists? 10:45 <@shapr> I'm always looking to hear new stuff. 10:46 <@Dagmar> shapr: I may be there. It depends on how much i think I can resist the temptation to murder a bunch of fucking hipsters 10:47 <@shapr> would be fun to meet some people from this channel, send me a message if you show up! 10:47 <@Dagmar> I like dubstep fine. The dubstep fans, on the other hand, seem only suitable as fertilizer 10:48 <@Dagmar> "We don't like rave music because it's all about the drugs" <-- meanwhile, smokes potpourri until they can't see straight 10:48 <@Dolemite> I got a new riding mower this weekend. I'm thinking of recording some dubstep with it. Does that count, shapr? 10:48 <@Dolemite> I can put it in forward/reverse/forward/reverse/etc. 10:48 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you should go dressed as Skrillex 10:48 <@Dagmar> Same level of drug infestation as ravers--just _bad_ drugs--oh, and they DON'T FUCKING DANCE 10:49 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: We have the same wardroe 10:49 <@Dagmar> er wardrobe 10:49 <@Dagmar> I just don't have long hair. Hipster hornrims I can buy. 10:50 <@Dagmar> Every time I go to a dubstep thing I see the bulk of the crowd just bouncing up and down with one fist in the air 10:50 <@Dagmar> That's called "pogoing" 10:50 <@Dagmar> It's what punks do because largely punks can't dance, either. 10:50 <@Dagmar> Except punks are graded on their durability, not their nimbleness. 10:51 <@Dagmar> It makes me want to kill each and every shallow one of them. 10:51 <@Dagmar> A perfectly good scene, being ruined by scenesters 10:51 < aestetix_> Dagmar: go to the ghetto and get hair extenders 10:51 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: the fuck why 10:52 < aestetix_> To look like Skrillex 10:52 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I do not have a problem with Skrillex 10:52 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I have a problem with his K2-addled fans 10:54 <@Dagmar> Now, if it begins to look like eliminating Skrillex will make the dubstep 'scene' collapse, then we should talk to him about that 10:54 <@Dagmar> Right now it looks like it would only slow them down a bit 10:57 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:58 < aestetix_> yeah it sounds like the highlight of defcon this year was drinking 10:59 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 10:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:08 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09 < aestetix_> man 11:09 < aestetix_> have you ever watched people talk about tech on cspan? 11:10 <@Dagmar> I'd rather masturbate with steel wool 11:10 <@Dagmar> It would be just as educational. 11:10 < aestetix_> It's a great way to find out why we're having all these issues 11:11 <@Dagmar> We're having all these issues becuase the average joe might as well be stoned around the clock for as good as their long-term memory is 11:11 <@Dagmar> ...and politicians make careers out of exploiting the vulnerability that creates. 11:12 <@Dagmar> ...which means the _least_ informed people are the ones making the decisions, no matter how well-informed a minority of tech-savvy people are, they aren't the ones calling the shots. 11:13 < aestetix_> tell us how you really feel 11:15 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:19 <@Corydon76-home> If you consider how many different occupations the average person had at the time the Constitution was written, it makes sense why such persons could come up with a system of government where one person could cast votes on all sorts of different situations. 11:20 <@Dagmar> Their heads weren't up their asses 11:20 <@Corydon76-home> Might a system of government where only persons educated in a particular field could make governance decisions about that field make sense? 11:20 <@Dagmar> But our people now don't necessarily have their heads up their asses 11:20 <@Dagmar> They're just focused on money and power and nothing else 11:21 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: If you'd like to see people meta everything until it's applicable to their field, go right ahead 11:21 <@shapr> Dolemite: I wanna hear this lawnmower dubstep 11:22 <@Dolemite> I will see what I can do 11:22 <@shapr> Dolemite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UexCBJF_n-4 11:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: 16 Bit - Chainsaw Calligraphy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 11:22 <@Dagmar> D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-rop, the blade! 11:22 <@Dolemite> Maybe I can even add in a backfire or two 11:23 <@shapr> funny thing is that some of the early dubstep used lawn appliances, 16bit's chainsaw calligraphy comes to mind 11:23 <@Dolemite> Do people listen to that stuff outside of GitMo? 11:24 <@shapr> I'm especially fond of chainsaw calligraphy 11:29 <@Dolemite> So. Anybody else check out the new Garfunkel & Oates TV series this weekend? 11:32 <@Dolemite> Well you should. It was hilarious. 11:34 <@wilpig> yes 11:34 <@shapr> wontpig! 11:35 < aestetix_> ok so 11:35 < aestetix_> I am going to be speaking at harvar 11:35 < aestetix_> harvard 11:35 < aestetix_> should I goatse them? 11:35 <@Dolemite> Yes, you definitely should. 11:36 < aestetix_> Dolemite: wanna look at my slide to make sure it's appropriate? 11:37 <@Dolemite> aestetix_: Sure 11:37 <@Dolemite> Yeah, looks good 11:38 < aestetix_> HOld on 11:38 <@shapr> aestetix_: cool, I spoke at MIT once, it was fun 11:38 < aestetix_> lemme stretch it out a little more 11:38 <@shapr> What will you be talking about at Harvard? 11:38 < aestetix_> shapr: online identity issues 11:38 <@shapr> oh cool 11:38 < aestetix_> hopefully it will be on the website shortly 11:38 < aestetix_> good god 11:39 < aestetix_> https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/2014/09/InternetPolicySymposium 11:39 < aestetix_> who the fuck runs a conference from 8:30am to 1pm 11:39 <@shapr> I gave a talk on emacs and Haskell integration at the CSAIL reading room 11:39 <@shapr> where emacs started... 11:39 <@shapr> made me happy 11:39 < aestetix_> 8:30 is when I wake up and drink water to make the hangover go away 11:39 <@shapr> aestetix_: Harvard? 11:39 < aestetix_> 1pm is when I actually get up 11:41 < aestetix_> I should hit up a friend of mine about speaking at MIT 11:41 < aestetix_> since I fucking swear the lawyers and policy folks know nothing about tech 11:41 < aestetix_> for examlpe they think SSL makes them secure 11:42 < aestetix_> And I tend to think the cryptographic community has "identity" in generally completely wrong 11:42 < aestetix_> which has reflected in some of the taxonomy battles I've gotten into with NIST 11:43 < aestetix_> also they have probably already seen goatse 11:44 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 11:46 <@Dolemite> While this is a long overdue idea, there is really no reason why this should cost $1,399. http://www.skullysystems.com/#home 11:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: SKULLY (at www.skullysystems.com) 11:46 <@Dolemite> Oh, and shapr, there's some wub-wub in the soundtrack to the sales video, so you should watch it. 11:48 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: have you ever met anyone who reminded you of goatse? 11:48 <@Corydon76-home> Just you 11:48 < aestetix_> You've never seen me in that position 11:48 < aestetix_> ..... I think 11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Most people are polite enough not to remind others that that site ever existed 11:50 < aestetix_> shapr: you mean where emacs was started by a guy who eats his own toe fungus 11:51 <@Corydon76-home> Since when was emacs started at Harvard? 11:51 <@Corydon76-home> You're thinking of MIT 11:51 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: he was referring to MIT 11:51 < aestetix_> 15:40 <@shapr> I gave a talk on emacs and Haskell integration at the CSAIL reading room 11:55 <@shapr> yeah, I used to hang out at MIT 11:55 <@shapr> and some at Harvard, and some at Tufts 11:55 <@shapr> lots of cool people there 11:56 <@shapr> I miss it, I'm tempted to move back to Boston somedays. 11:56 <@shapr> But I hated the weather :-( 11:56 < aestetix_> Is harvard still a place where they study the classics and such? 11:57 <@shapr> Sure, that too 11:57 <@shapr> but lots of cool tech that fits inside my interests too 12:00 <@shapr> I hung out with the OLPC guys, they tried to hire me. 12:00 < aestetix_> Maybe I should hang out in Boston 12:00 <@shapr> Lots of people try to hire me, but mostly they don't have sufficiently interesting problems. 12:00 <@shapr> OLPC did, but I wasn't in the right place to take that job. 12:01 < aestetix_> You don't think that creating a social network to let you know when a friend is walking their dog near you is an interesting problem? 12:01 <@shapr> Mind you, I still have three OLPC XO-1s 12:01 < aestetix_> That's about the caliber of startups that the bay area is shitting out these days 12:01 <@shapr> no, but creating a social network to let you know when your friends are going to a movie, or going out to eat, and would welcome your company... that would be interesting 12:02 <@shapr> although I've had some neat ideas about transitive online identity networks 12:02 < aestetix_> You've seen what we did with openamd? 12:02 <@shapr> I'd like to be able to lookup a friend's 'definition' of a name 12:02 <@shapr> nope? 12:02 < aestetix_> http://www.openamd.org/ 12:03 <@shapr> huh, neat 12:03 < aestetix_> keep in mind we did this in 2008 12:03 <@shapr> dang spiffy 12:03 < aestetix_> now it's sort of a common idea 12:03 <@shapr> I'd also like location aware shopping lists 12:03 < aestetix_> We tried that actually 12:04 <@shapr> "You're near the grocery store and you put these items on your shopping list" 12:04 < aestetix_> It turns out that most shopping places don't like them 12:04 <@shapr> How did it work? 12:04 <@shapr> why not? 12:04 < aestetix_> To quote "we want to interfere with the shopping experience as little as possible" 12:04 <@shapr> I could totally go for an app that gives me the most efficient directions through a store to close out my shopping list. 12:04 < aestetix_> it takes away from impulse buys 12:04 <@shapr> that makes sense 12:04 <@shapr> would take away from wal-mart revenue 12:04 <@opticron> yep 12:04 <@shapr> but that's not a bad thing :-) 12:05 <@opticron> would probably also make the store as a whole less congested 12:05 < aestetix_> well yes 12:05 < aestetix_> But they don't want that. 12:05 < aestetix_> They want you in the store for as long as possible 12:05 <@opticron> and give walmart insight as to when they might need another register or two open a little ahead of time 12:05 <@opticron> right 12:05 < aestetix_> they also don't want that 12:05 <@shapr> yeah, I saw some research that says people spend $100 an hour in wal-mart 12:05 <@opticron> it's company-optimal, not consumer-optimal 12:05 <@shapr> so the longer they keep them in the store, the more money they make 12:06 < aestetix_> right 12:06 < aestetix_> and having a device which directs them to place A 12:06 < aestetix_> also winds up directing them away from place B 12:07 < aestetix_> also, if people are looking at their phones, they aren't looking at the shelves 12:07 < aestetix_> and so on 12:08 < aestetix_> So you'll note that places like Walgreens do have an iphone app.... that lets you know where the nearest walgreens is based on your location 12:08 < aestetix_> but nothing beyond that 12:08 < aestetix_> They are happy to guide you away from where you are to find them 12:15 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 < aestetix_> http://www.impraise.com/ 12:40 < aestetix_> another quality y combinator widget 12:46 <@shapr> aestetix_: Ever heard of a quantified self dashboard that integrates various web scrapers? 12:47 < aestetix_> uhhhh 12:47 < aestetix_> Sure. 12:47 < aestetix_> How do you think the stock markets function :) 12:48 <@shapr> I want to pull in data from github, my bank, my gym records, that sort of thing. 12:59 < aestetix_> Hmm. 13:00 < aestetix_> Short term thinking, reactionary, blinded by privilege. 13:00 < aestetix_> Yep, that's the bay area! 13:22 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 14:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 14:04 < aestetix_> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/09/aestetix 14:04 < aestetix_> yay 14:12 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:21 < aestetix_> http://www.airpair.com/ 14:22 < aestetix_> that could get complicated quickly 14:25 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 14:32 <@Dagmar> This should be interesting 14:33 <@Dagmar> We've got a somewhat elderly and non-technical person trying to act as a liason between ourselves and the customers here. 14:34 <@Dagmar> Six hours were blown on Friday because I had to use italics and boldface with her to make it clear I needed the _originating hostname_ to troubleshoot a connection--because it worked for me from everywhere I tried. 14:34 <@Dagmar> Today this same group is coming back and wailing that their stuff doesn't work, still trying to blame it on us. They did not check to see that a pair of their nodes are VERY down right now 14:34 <@Dolemite> This that developer trying to access from Starbucks, again? 14:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah basically 14:35 <@Dagmar> THis woman introduces _far_ more complexity than necessary 14:35 <@Dagmar> For one thing, she arbitrarily decides that these VIPs need to migrate at 7am 14:35 <@Dagmar> I'm like, okay, I'll double- and treble-check every fucking thing 14:36 <@Corydon76-home> I *love* finding out about a new API on the day of launch (after 3 weeks of prior development) 14:36 <@Dagmar> ...cuz there's no utility in me "checking" the VIPs at 7am because half the time we don't know what the fucking API is in the first place 14:36 <@Dagmar> The connection goes through. That's all I give a shit about 14:36 <@Dagmar> I make sure the connection goes through before I even send off the DNS change request 14:36 <@Dagmar> Either the DNS change goes through or it doesn't. 14:37 <@Dagmar> But *someone's* taken it upon themselves to declare some of these moves a fail because no one explicitly tells her the DNS changes took place until 8:30-9:00am 14:37 <@Dagmar> If the DNS change goes through, nothing happens other than "shit still works" 14:37 <@Dagmar> If they don't go through, "shit still works". 14:38 <@Dagmar> The only reason we had a minor issue this time was that these tools are using port 8080 for their VIPs, and suprisingly, that port isn't reachable by just anyone on the network 14:38 <@Dagmar> For some insane reason _we're_ allowed to bypass that policy 14:39 <@Dagmar> So, when I tested the shit with the VPN client installed like I'm supposed to... it worked fine. 14:41 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't bother sending off the request to have the DNS changed until I *know* the stuff I'm putting into the new LTMs works 15:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I NEED UR HELP, MANG 15:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Help me complete the following: Poor Oppressed Minority Perception Of U_____ Syndrome 15:11 <@Dagmar> Uncaring, maybe? 15:12 <@Dagmar> It's the dementia that strikes a minority person when they feel their most trivial demands aren't being taken seriously enough 15:13 <@opticron> Underdog Syndrome? 15:14 <@Dagmar> That would imply their complaints are legit 15:14 <@Dagmar> Let me give you an example 15:15 <@Dagmar> http://transcriptsblog.tumblr.com/post/57018685498/the-amazing-atheist-makes-rape-threats-and-attempts-to 15:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Transcripts - The Amazing Atheist makes rape threats and attempts to trigger a victim (at transcriptsblog.tumblr.com) 15:15 <@Dagmar> THere is a Tl;DR to that 15:15 <@Dagmar> ...and that's that a group of token fauxminists were taking it upon themselves to hound this guy en masse 15:15 <@Dagmar> Quite obviously, dude reached a breaking point and did the expected flame-out 15:16 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that some of these people were _quite_ less than reasonable 15:16 <@Dagmar> So, I've got a POMPOUS sufferer in the other channel who is totally against this guy for having retaliated in kind against the mob 15:17 <@Dagmar> Like, didn't we all learn _not_ to gang up on someone like that while we were still in grade school? 15:17 <@opticron> unconcern 15:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah but the next time this jackass wants to have a POMPOUS flare-up, I'm going to have a handy (and mean) diagnosis for him 15:18 <@Dagmar> He's one of those people who refers to his "cis-friends". 15:18 -!- ware [ware@phneak.net] has joined #se2600 15:18 <@Dagmar> ...because gods forbid we accept the fact that the majority case doesn't need adjectives attached. 15:19 < ware> oh shit 15:21 <@opticron> POMPO Unoffensive Situations 15:21 <@Dagmar> Still, situations like that are why the moment I see the set up coming, I start talking about The Great Equalizer, white kerosene. 15:25 < aestetix_> Dagmar: hmmm 15:27 -!- iabosip [~iabosi@neverenough.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:29 < aestetix_> Dagmar: Usefulness 15:29 < aestetix_> Poor Oppressed Minority Perception Of Usefulness Syndrome 15:31 <@Dolemite> ware: That was our reaction when you joined! 15:32 <@wilpig> he isn't banned? who summoned him? 15:32 <@Dolemite> Someone must have said his name 3 times in a row 15:32 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: was it really that slow of of a day? 15:33 < aestetix_> Dagmar: wait. How is that triggering 15:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: What? 15:33 < aestetix_> I'm reading the link 15:33 < aestetix_> I don't undersatnd how that first comment is triggering 15:34 < aestetix_> Dagmar: did you see the bit between @shanley and john adams (from twitter)? 15:35 <@wilpig> Dolemite: you got any cisco ONS equipment out there? 15:35 < aestetix_> He's a security engineer at twitter 15:35 < aestetix_> She raged at him, on twitter, for not making all the badguys go away 15:35 < aestetix_> And he tried to explain that it's a difficult engineering problem 15:35 < aestetix_> As you can imagine, that didn't go well 15:36 <@Dolemite> ONS? 15:36 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: It's "triggering" because of POMPOUS 15:36 <@wilpig> yeah. weird blade like system 15:36 <@Dolemite> Oh, UCS? 15:36 <@wilpig> Cisco ONS 15454 15:37 <@wilpig> Optical Network System. it's a weird duck 15:37 <@Dolemite> No 15:37 <@wilpig> Yahoo sent this thing over and it's supposed to work with the dark fiber system but we don't have the chassis that it's supposed to sit in 15:38 <@Dolemite> yah, we only use Cisco for internal distribution 15:38 <@wilpig> trying to verify I found the right part number for the shelf unit that fits just this one unit so you can mount it but if you don't have nay 15:38 <@Dolemite> Might be moving away from using it for there, too 15:38 <@wilpig> toward? 15:38 <@Dolemite> Arista 15:38 <@Dolemite> The high performance computing folks LURV IT 15:39 <@Dolemite> Cost is mucho lesso, too 15:39 <@wilpig> anything has to cost less than cisco and juniper 15:40 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: Hmm? 15:40 <@wilpig> did you summon him because you were bored and dabbling with the occult? 15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Summon who? 15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, ware? 15:40 <@wilpig> it wans't you 15:40 <@Bahhumbug> No. That was not me. 15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster! 15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster! 15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster! 15:41 <@Bahhumbug> I did summon Mercster, though. 15:41 < aestetix_> hi 15:41 < aestetix_> oh that didn't work 15:41 < aestetix_> boo 15:41 * wilpig punches Bahhumbug in the dick 15:41 -!- aestetix_ is now known as Mercster_ 15:41 < Mercster_> hi 15:41 -!- Mercster_ is now known as aestetix 15:42 <@wilpig> row4 is just fucked 15:42 <@wilpig> I swear. you let network engineering near anything they make a mess out of it 15:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b *!*@zeniv.linux.org.uk] by Bahhumbug 15:43 * Bahhumbug whistles quietly 15:43 <@wilpig> living dangerously now 15:44 <@Bahhumbug> No; that was earlier when I was cutting down a bush at the end of my driveway and some stupid inbred redneck piece of shit tried to hit me. 15:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b *!*@zeniv.linux.org.uk] by Bahhumbug 15:44 <@wilpig> were you standing on a ladder in the road, or just in the road in general? 15:44 <@Bahhumbug> I was on the easement so off the road. 15:45 <@wilpig> up here that counts as a lane 15:45 <@wilpig> just sayin' 15:45 < aestetix> The only thing worse than smelly cat poop is a flatulent cat that follows you around 15:45 <@wilpig> aestetix: i'll take that challenge 15:46 <@Bahhumbug> Hahahaha 15:46 <@Bahhumbug> My money is on wilpig. 15:46 <@wilpig> I'm thinking you being locked in an office with dolemite on sausage and kraut day will beat a smell cat fart 15:46 < aestetix> no 15:46 <@Bahhumbug> Any bulldog. 15:46 <@Dolemite> Sausage and kraut doesn't really do it to me 15:46 <@Dolemite> However 15:46 <@Mirage> Cheap beer 15:47 < aestetix> wilpig: she jumps into your lap, purrs, and then your head is clouded by this awful aroma 15:47 <@Dolemite> Butter beans after a night of drinking lots of stout would probably cause sanctions and mention of the Geneva Convention 15:48 <@Dagmar> Especially considering that alcohol is a very friendly alkene 15:48 < aestetix> And then the cat drops an audible donkey and you could swear you just heard an angel sing 15:49 <@Dolemite> Later, kids 15:49 <@wilpig> you're leaving on audible donkey? 15:49 <@wilpig> lol 15:51 < aestetix> wilpig: so is the phreaknic swag this year gonna be butter beans? 15:54 <@wilpig> everyone gets begging cups 15:56 <@Mirage> sharpies and ether 15:56 <@wilpig> Mirage: those are my con supplies 15:56 < aestetix> maybe the shwag could be a fleshlight 15:57 <@Bahhumbug> Would that lead to rape? 15:57 < aestetix> You'd have to ask our rape consultant 15:58 <@wilpig> we hape one? like what is that person's job? how to? tips on how not to get? 15:58 < aestetix> You'd have to ask her. I think she goes to the phreaknic planning meetings 15:59 <@Mirage> shouldn't the rape consultant be someone who anyone would want to rape? 16:00 < aestetix> Mirage: if she's not available, you can ask her assistant, ware 16:01 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: ++ 16:02 <@wilpig> Mirage: but isn't she like a subject matter expert? self-proclaimed 16:24 < ware> LOL 16:30 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 16:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 17:26 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32 <@Mirage> Automating anything for Satellite using the API is a nightmare 17:33 <@Mirage> Doing it in python is just pouring salt in the open wound. 17:38 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 17:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 17:55 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02 <@brimstone> Mirage++ 18:02 <@brimstone> Satellite.pm or bust 18:18 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 18:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://xkcd.com/1406/ I'd pay good money for just a few of those ... 18:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Universal Converter Box (at xkcd.com) 18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> Mirage: I've gotten into arguments with grad students over python.. I'm like... no.. I don't want a duct typing language ... because filling in a method that doesn't clearly define what its input is... is risky business 18:23 < frsilent> RangerZ|Laptop: I've been doing python for nearly 3 years 18:23 < frsilent> great language...but I'm kind of at the point now where I'm fed up with it 18:23 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> i took an AI class that used python 18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking sucked 18:24 < frsilent> been trying to get away from imperative to broaden myself 18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c you'd be passed in complex data structures.. .and you had no idea what was getting passed in 18:25 < frsilent> my undergrad didn't even touch functional languages :( 18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you had to inspect the object over and over, to tell wtf the structure was 18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'object' loose term 18:26 < frsilent> yeah...saw some of the problems with its mutability in this: https://github.com/frsilent/chem_nomenclature 18:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: frsilent/chem_nomenclature · GitHub (at github.com) 18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I can't post my work, it was EdX's AI course, that we used in conjunction with the course at vandy 18:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> "flipped classroom" 18:28 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28 < frsilent> lol I was still pretty new with python for a lot of that 18:29 < frsilent> remember an issue with a recursive limit on tree traversal so I was like "fck it" & cast it to a set 18:29 < frsilent> fixed the problem but was one of those things that I was grateful my professors didn't really look too deep into python 18:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> frsilent: ours was a bunch of fucking nuance shit that I disagreed with 18:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is a canonical way to do a binary tree search 18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> and they didn't want you to do it, b/c you would 'inspect the leaf nodes too many times' 18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> which I disagree, b/c doing so... allows you to use that same pattern for _EVERY_ tree algorithm, without modification 18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> but their grader program was what I had to get the 100 on... :/ 18:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> i spent so long... b/c It took me forever to realize they wanted more optimized, less useful algorithms 18:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> more 'specialized' i should say 18:33 < frsilent> yeah I know what you're talking about lol 18:33 < frsilent> grumble grumble 18:34 < frsilent> I had some guy be a dickhead during an interview when I was looking for a job after school 18:34 < frsilent> because I couldn't do a bfs traversal on demand 18:34 < frsilent> he described what he wanted, I said it was bfs & I could hack it out but knew it was on wikipedia...he did something like "Any CS student should be able to do this without looking it up" lol 18:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> step 1) you instantiate a BFS iterator, and then step 2) you use it 18:35 < frsilent> pretty much 18:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd have laughed at him, and told him, that any CS student would have looked to verify their algorithm 18:36 < frsilent> http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2014/06/24/the-worst-programming-interview-question/ 18:36 < frsilent> man I hate the interview process...mostly because I think that everyone sucks at it 18:36 < frsilent> another one I went to while still in school the PM offered me a beer, then went to a meeting & had an indian guy with a *very* strong accent sit down with me & give me a written test 18:37 < frsilent> then told me that my string reversal algo was wrong...even after I wrote it up on a whiteboard & stepped through it line by line with 3 different inputs 18:38 < frsilent> I don't think he understood recursion (I thought the problem was defined for the sole purpose of me demonstrating it, yah academia) 18:38 <@oddball> At that point, you then ask "ok, where is it wrong?" 18:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> besides, in general, recursion is never a good thing 18:39 < frsilent> RangerZ|Laptop: yeah I know but the way the problem was stated I thought they wanted me to demonstrate it 18:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function 18:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ackermann function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 18:40 < frsilent> oddball: at that point I kind of knew I didn't want the job 18:41 < frsilent> when I first showed up the PM was like "Oh yeah great to meet you! You want a beer? We've got a tap in the office. Sorry I'm all sweaty just got done rocking some foosball" 18:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats the ONLY reason you'd ever use recursion... plus if are teaching an algorithms class, you tell the students that if they can write a program that solves up to A(6,3) or some ridiculous low number like that, that the student gets an A immediately in the course and never has to show up again 18:41 <@wilpig> god damn... the audacity of this motherfucker 18:41 < frsilent> then him leaving to have me take a 30m written test & then some guy whose english is terrible go over it with me 18:42 <@wilpig> so I get this note on a ticket 18:42 <@wilpig> "Hello DC, 18:42 <@wilpig> We need this ticket done ASAP as this ticket opened 39 days ago. 18:42 <@wilpig> We're behind our schedules because of this. 18:42 <@wilpig> This ticket shouldn't take more then few hours as you have Patch panels for everything. 18:42 <@wilpig> Thanks in advance 18:42 < frsilent> rofl 18:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 18:42 < frsilent> he gave you a time estimate, nice 18:42 <@wilpig> To complete this ticket that is rated low priority. we have to run 344 cables 18:42 <@wilpig> two labels per cable have to be done by hand and applied 18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 4 hours? 18:43 <@wilpig> if I could print one label a minute there is more than 10 hours of just making labels 18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> k, thanks. 18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe 18:43 <@wilpig> this is the same neteng from my previous encounter, btw 18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, then he's purposely screwing with you 18:44 < frsilent> offer to give him your hourly rate for a "few hours" and then let him do the work 18:44 <@wilpig> now... int he last 30 days since that ticket was opened. we've been down a man at the dc, we've brought in 18 racks of new equipment and all of those are online now and were high priority, reconfigured 30 database servers with 6 new drives each, a new 10gig nic, and a 4TB flash storage card 18:45 <@wilpig> those projects were all high priority. you know what this project is that he's complaining about? OOB 18:45 <@wilpig> the nobody fucking cares of the datacenter world. 18:46 <@wilpig> he also sent a second update to that ticket. two hours later. "Its important to get done by the end of the week, after connecting them. 18:46 <@wilpig> Please respond 18:46 <@wilpig> " 18:46 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 18:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: who is in charge of sorting your tasks? 18:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> you or a mang? 18:47 <@wilpig> dc manager 18:47 <@wilpig> we keep a running list of shit that needs to be done and the priority they have 18:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> then I'd just laugh at it, and tell the mang. that its funny 18:47 <@wilpig> this has been on the bottom of the list 18:47 <@wilpig> i'm just annoyed cause this dude is being a cunt 18:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> fuck him, just laugh at him, and that'll piss him off more 18:48 < frsilent> hahaha wilpig he really said "pls respond?" 18:49 <@wilpig> yup 18:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> if he did, then I'd write up a nice POLITE response 18:49 <@wilpig> there were two people currently watching that ticket. him and one of the other network guys 18:50 <@wilpig> my response was "Row6 has been completed. We have figured up the labels for the rest of the room and we will start making labels and running cables tomorrow. There are more than 300 cables to be run and it is not something that can be completed in a few hours." 18:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> explaining that contrary to popular opinion, patch panels don't solve every cabling issues, and the DC, and We'd need over 10 hours of just label creation alone, etc 18:50 <@wilpig> took me about an hour today to generate the line in google sheets to figure out the labels 18:50 <@wilpig> this thing is a monster 18:51 <@wilpig> =if(iseven(left(E216,1)),if(right(left(J216,4),1)="1",if(F216="bottom","",CONCATENATE("Panel 3 - Port ", INT(RIGHT(E216,2)))),CONCATENATE("Panel 2 - Port ", (INT(RIGHT(E216,2)+if(F216="top",0,24))))),if(right(left(J216,4),1)="8",if(F216="bottom","",CONCATENATE("Panel 3 - Port ", INT(RIGHT(E216,2)))),CONCATENATE("Panel 2 - Port ", (INT(RIGHT(E216,2)+if(F216="top",0,24)))))) 18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> weak sauce 18:51 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> that can be done in less, come on... use regex 18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> j/k, obviously 18:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah, that guy doesn't know how to run cables, nor how a DC is setup 18:52 <@wilpig> I could have done it so much easier in 1000 other ways but it had to be done in that fucking spreadsheet 18:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol... yeah... i've had that problem before, sucks 18:53 <@wilpig> poor cat. she was hanging on teh cat tree batting at penny. penny whopped her good and knocked her bitch ass off. she fell and hit my flash light 18:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> s/flash/flesh 18:59 <@wilpig> flash was correct, sorry to disappoint 19:00 <@wilpig> this goes with that crazy formula. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yznpxzybunj7em/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-11%20at%206.59.55%20PM.png 19:00 <@wilpig> it's what fills in the blank 19:07 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 19:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:08 <@oddball> well... fuck 19:08 <@oddball> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-robin-williams-dies-20140811-story.html 19:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Robin Williams dies at 63 of apparent suicide - LA Times (at www.latimes.com) 19:10 <@wilpig> did someone kidnap him and force him to watch patch adams? 19:12 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:12 <@oddball> oof, harsh 19:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 19:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> depression is a shitty thing 19:33 <@Shadow404> damn 19:33 <@Shadow404> fu wilpig 19:33 <@Shadow404> thats harsh 19:33 <@Shadow404> RangerZ|Laptop: this sucks, actually feel bad about this loss 19:34 < frsilent> yep =( 19:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 19:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 19:41 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:43 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 19:47 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 19:48 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:49 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 19:51 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29 < RangerZ1> any EE type people here right now? 20:31 < aestetix> wilpig: when I say that if statement I thought it was lisp 20:47 < aestetix> sigh 20:47 < aestetix> RIP Robin Williams 20:47 < scoob> seriously 20:47 < scoob> just saw] 20:47 < RangerZ1> yeah, it sucks 20:47 < scoob> probably the first celebrity death that actually made me pause for a second 20:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 20:53 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:02 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Quit: ruh roh] 21:17 < RangerZ1> firebomb incoming 21:18 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 21:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc3] by ChanServ 21:20 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: good post. would read again 21:20 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30 < aestetix> who runs the website? 21:33 <@Shadow404> recomendation, dont set a launch date, if your not gonna meet it 21:33 <@Shadow404> just saying 21:33 <@wilpig> aestetix: several people have access 21:37 < aestetix> here enjoy some epic fail: http://i.imgur.com/GtserMf.gif 21:40 < aestetix> and another one: http://i.imgur.com/qFzezL9.gif 21:40 < aestetix> that poor hamster 21:40 < RangerZ1> aestetix: thats not fair comparing the PN non-static webpage to that balloon & dru 21:41 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I'm guessing she never bounced a bouncy ball from ontop of a basketball 21:41 < RangerZ1> might be able to reach LEO leveraging that kind of tech.... lol 21:44 < aestetix> it's really funny if you imagine sound effects 21:45 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46 <@wilpig> holy shit was this a depressing movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2378281/?ref_=nv_sr_3 21:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Instructions Not Included (2013) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) 21:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 21:52 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:53 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 21:54 < aestetix> wilpig: so this website thing should not be an issue 21:55 < RangerZ1> no, it shouldn't be, but its symptomatic, and the only outward facing the con has right now 21:56 < aestetix> I mean updating it should not be an issue 21:57 <@wilpig> aestetix: as I am not local and those that are haven't communicated what hte deal is back to me I can't comment. I can say that it's not unexpected from who's in charge that an excuse will be presented for lack of anything/everything 21:58 < aestetix> wilpig: you own phreaknic.org? 21:58 < RangerZ1> the "thing" holding up the site, is "registration" supposedly 21:59 < RangerZ1> which I don't understand why registration has to be up the second CFP goes out 21:59 < aestetix> and .info 21:59 < aestetix> wilpig: just redirect the DNS to another server 21:59 <@wilpig> that's stupid seeing as how it's built on a cms, which is dumb, so the registration would be a module off that right? 21:59 <@wilpig> so you could put up a site and add that later 22:00 <@wilpig> but I heard some mention of ssl so i'm sure that'll be the excuse 22:00 < aestetix> why doesn't jonnyx just do it oldschool and make the event free 22:00 <@wilpig> aestetix: why? I have access to the server. I can put up a page. I was not asked to do so 22:00 < aestetix> oh 22:00 <@wilpig> someone was kind enough to remove my attribution from the page that is up now 22:00 <@wilpig> I went ahead and added it back seeing as how it is my work and that was just fucking rude 22:01 <@wilpig> next time one of you sees crazy pants you can tell her as much. please garnish it with cunt as well 22:01 < aestetix> wilpig: I can find a picture of a vagina if you need one 22:02 <@wilpig> considering my attribution didn't have any text whatsoever and was just an extremely small hotlink to me. it was very rude 22:03 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 22:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 22:03 <@wilpig> don't you agree SuMo_D ? 22:06 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has joined #se2600 22:12 <@Dagmar> Heh. 22:13 <@Dagmar> Java (the black tortie cat) was apparently trying to push her way into my apartment tonight 22:13 <@Dagmar> I came home and there's a breakaway cat collar on my doorstep 22:13 < RangerZ1> lol 22:13 <@wilpig> like a flea collar? 22:13 <@Dagmar> I just left the owners a voicemail and put the collar in front of their door 22:13 <@Dagmar> No, mainly a black collar with little stars and moons on it and a pink heart tag with her name and address on it 22:14 <@Dagmar> The cat luuuuuuurves me 22:14 <@wilpig> what did you feed it? 22:14 <@Dagmar> When they let her out to go play she has a tendency to come straight to my door, and I'm like "But you are not my cat!" 22:14 < aestetix> holy fuck 22:14 <@Dagmar> Umm... just a little cat chow but that was weeks ago 22:14 <@Dagmar> I'm good with cats 22:14 < aestetix> I might get away with slipping a reference to Kerchoff's Principle into a public policy document 22:15 <@Dagmar> ...and Java is a ludicrously friendly cat 22:18 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I just shared a video with you on G+ and you will see what I mean by the cat is really chatty 22:20 <@wilpig> yeah I see that 22:20 <@wilpig> that's how mine are when they know someone 22:21 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing her collar was on _my_ doorsstep 22:21 <@Dagmar> It's like she deliberately left it behind to send me some kinda message 22:21 <@Dagmar> Like "I WAS HERE AND YOU WOULDN'T LET MEH IN" 22:22 <@Dagmar> She knows if she yells I'll come out and pet on her 22:22 < RangerZ1> lets just hope crazypants doens't follow that pattern 22:22 < RangerZ1> LOL 22:22 <@Dagmar> euw 22:22 <@wilpig> haha 22:22 <@wilpig> I can only imagine what she'd leave behind on your doorstep 22:22 <@Dagmar> I'll have to order some of that Sentry Calming Spray 22:22 < RangerZ1> probably some leaked out sand 22:23 <@Dagmar> Oh wow. Now that I see what that is I can see it won't work 22:23 <@Dagmar> Looks like i'm going to have to order some ether and an inflatable raft 22:23 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #se2600 22:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 22:24 <@Dagmar> One of my friends has been using this on his cat and by the way he described it I thought it might be from the makers of Nap-Time(tm) http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Calming-Spray-Cats-1-Ounce/dp/B0093J9MF8 22:28 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_d@24-158-54-190.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: I can't figure out how to use Google+ 22:29 < aestetix> I tried to make a post, and it wouldn't let me do any formatting 22:29 < aestetix> or has it gotten that dumbed down? 22:29 < aestetix> By formatting I mean centering some tet 22:29 < aestetix> text 22:30 <@Dagmar> Centering is for bitches. 22:30 <@Dagmar> You can do *boldface* and _italics_ ASCII-style. 22:30 < aestetix> ... 22:30 < aestetix> so they dumbed it down 22:30 <@Dagmar> DUmbed it down from what? 22:31 <@Dagmar> It's never handled centering, and neither has Facebook for that matter 22:31 < aestetix> I'm comparing it to lj 22:31 < aestetix> Keep in mind I haven't used it since 2011 22:31 <@Dagmar> So, in other words, you want it to let people post uglytext. 22:31 <@wilpig> that's a silly comparison 22:31 < aestetix> No, I had a post with a thoughtful leading quote I wanted to use 22:32 < aestetix> And it seems I can't do that. 22:32 <@wilpig> vagina is not a thoughtful quote 22:32 < aestetix> hahaha 22:37 < RangerZ1> first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem 22:37 <@Dagmar> You can put underscores around it and it will italicize fine. 22:38 <@Dagmar> ...or just post it as an image 22:38 < aestetix> Jesus. 22:38 < aestetix> Even wordpress is more usable than that. 22:38 < aestetix> wilpig: does tumblr allow you to center text? 22:38 < aestetix> I'm not asking for a fucking blink tag :p 22:38 <@wilpig> you can do just about anything you want on there 22:38 < RangerZ1> tumbler has both 22:39 < RangerZ1> and facebook doesn't want you posting text in a format they don't control 22:39 <@wilpig> you gotta be pretty smooth with css and whatnot though 22:39 < RangerZ1> geeze 22:39 < aestetix> Well 22:39 < aestetix> Facebook also has a length limit on posts 22:39 < aestetix> Does Google+ now? It didn't back in 2011 22:40 < aestetix> I mean I guess some asshole might abuse that by posting all the works of shakespeare into a single post 22:43 < aestetix> Of course my master plan is already broken because Wordpress's integration with twitter and google is broken 22:49 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 22:54 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08 <@sasquatc3> fucking discovery, all the shows this year are bullshit 23:09 <@wilpig> that's most cable channels isn't it? 23:10 < aestetix> My favorite channel is Pirate Bay 23:10 <@wilpig> that's a shitty channel 23:10 <@sasquatc3> well shark week used to have educational shit, or at least non made up shit 23:10 <@sasquatc3> now its all fake docu dramas loosely based on rumor 23:11 <@wilpig> so.... they're showing jaws? 23:11 < aestetix> Hunt for Sasquatch? 23:12 <@sasquatc3> like this show, hunting some giant hammerhead with supposed scientists, based on sightings that started in the 40s, but that mans t 23:13 <@sasquatc3> that means it would be 70 23:13 <@sasquatc3> so, bullshit 23:13 <@sasquatc3> i hope their not hunting squatch, i gotta hide 23:14 < aestetix> Ok so 23:14 < aestetix> I'm reading this article about Uber 23:14 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8165857 23:14 < aestetix> The issue with self driving cars and other robots is it destroys jobs and creates monopoly 23:14 < aestetix> My concern about this mostly goes away if we have a negative income tax 23:15 < RangerZ1> aestetix: not really 23:15 < RangerZ1> politics 23:15 <@Dagmar> Wait... self-driving cars destroy jobs? 23:15 < RangerZ1> yep 23:15 <@Dagmar> Who the fuck was supposed to be paying me? 23:15 < aestetix> Dagmar: absolutely 23:15 < RangerZ1> truck drivers 23:15 < RangerZ1> and taxi drivers 23:16 <@Dagmar> I drive myself every fucking day for free? 23:16 <@Dagmar> Oh I am pretty sure people will *not* be cool with a self-driving taxi for awhile 23:16 <@Dagmar> Normal taxis are unnerving enough 23:17 <@Dagmar> ...and let a few horror stories circulate about ersatz taxis that are really organ-harvesting operations. 23:17 < aestetix> Dagmar: all the people advocating for self driving taxis need to see Brazil 23:17 <@Dagmar> The last thing someone wants to think about is the doors auto-locking and the car driving them down a darkened alley in the marina district 23:18 <@Dagmar> People are going to be hard-pressed to trust their *own* self-driving vehicle 23:18 < aestetix> or how about when I get into a self-driving taxi, it takes my photo, does a lookup in the police database, discovers I have a warrant, and drives me right to the police station 23:18 <@Dagmar> Not going to happen 23:18 < aestetix> That's the non-scary version 23:19 <@Dagmar> For one, it would be _terrible_ for business 23:19 < aestetix> then again we already have idiots who basically let google maps drive them everywhere 23:19 <@Dagmar> For the other, we can't even get cops the ability to run a citizen check on someone who was just involved in a fatality accident without a licence 23:19 < RangerZ1> you're ignoring the profit possiblities 23:19 < RangerZ1> a company, like zipcar will have a self-driven car fleet, that you can rent 23:20 <@Dagmar> Oh yes, suing the taxi company because the robot taxi ran over your foot. 23:20 <@Dagmar> VEry lucrative 23:20 < aestetix> Let's say I'm a politician running in a heated race 23:20 < RangerZ1> every politican is going to rage against it at first 23:20 < RangerZ1> lol 23:20 < aestetix> I secretly pay off a self driving taxi service so that when my opponent takes one, the doors autolock and he winds up in mexico 23:21 <@Dagmar> Nah. They'll be for it, in direct proportion to who paid them to be for it 23:21 < RangerZ1> ohh... i just didn't mention....i suspect yellow cab/etc to pay the most 23:22 < RangerZ1> but where its going to have the biggest impact is NOT taxis, Its truck drivers 23:22 < aestetix> yup 23:22 <@Dagmar> We already have self-driving semis. 23:22 <@Dagmar> They're called "trains" 23:23 < RangerZ1> just think about walmart 23:23 < RangerZ1> if they could have automated trucks 23:23 -!- jilt_ [jilt@completely.devastated.net] has joined #se2600 23:23 < RangerZ1> they would 23:23 <@Dagmar> Little tiny cars are one thing, but people will _not_ be cool with dodgy Microsoft Dryve software piloting a sixteen ton block of metal 23:23 < RangerZ1> fuck they are probably testing automated employees 23:23 <@Dagmar> Nope 23:23 < aestetix> RangerZ1: basically, Uber and Lyft are Mitt Romney's wet dream 23:23 <@Dagmar> Robots you have to repair 23:23 <@Dagmar> People you can just throw away. 23:23 < RangerZ1> pretty much 23:24 <@wilpig> automated cars and trucks aren't to be worried about. automated freight flights.... fuuuuuuuu 23:24 < dasunt> Y'know, as a cyclist, I'm all for automated cars. 23:24 < aestetix> wilpig: sponsored by Malaysian Airlines 23:24 <@wilpig> as a cyclist, I hate you 23:25 <@Dagmar> You are more likely to see dedicated freight tunnels before you see automated sixteen-wheelers 23:25 <@wilpig> that's not right. as for you being a cyclist* 23:25 < dasunt> I have more faith in software than I do in drivers. 23:25 <@Dagmar> dasunt: That's because you don't run Windows 23:25 < RangerZ1> I expect the trucks to be downsized to 10~16ft actually 23:25 < aestetix> So the thing is 23:25 < dasunt> Dagmar: But my workplace is a Windows shop. 23:25 < aestetix> Generally the purpose of moving freight is because you have people buying things 23:25 * RangerZ1 comforts dasunt 23:25 <@Dagmar> The thing is that also there' a pretty serious penalty for hijacking a trucker 23:25 < aestetix> But if you get rid of all their jobs, then they have no money to buy things with 23:26 <@Dagmar> A robot... simple theft. No realiable witnesses. 23:26 < aestetix> At which point the system collapses 23:26 <@Dagmar> You remember how people were all "I'LL SHOOT ME DOWN SOME DRONES" when the talk about Amazon drone delivery started, right? 23:26 < aestetix> Dagmar: and still are 23:27 <@Dagmar> Now imagine how well it's going to go over that small trucks laden with merch are rolling around with _no human_ inside them who might be packing a hidden Desert Eagle 23:27 <@Dagmar> ...cuz that's the other reason there's not a lot of truck hijackery 23:27 <@wilpig> hehe. just the idea of sitting outside the newegg warehouse up here to go drone hunting. hahaha 23:27 <@Dagmar> Motherfuckers roll packin 23:28 < aestetix> ok screw this 23:28 < aestetix> I'm playing Black Mesa again 23:28 <@Dagmar> On the new engine? 23:28 < RangerZ1> ohh there will still be 'people' in the trucks, but they will be the MUCH cheaper/easier to fire manual labor to load/unload the truck 23:28 < aestetix> yup 23:28 < aestetix> I think 23:28 <@Dagmar> Coool 23:28 < dasunt> Here's the thing with automated vehicles that I don't get - without the speeding, the trying-to-sneak-through-yellows, and the rolling stops, aren't people going to be pissed? 23:28 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: That is assume the truck makes it to the destination 23:29 < dasunt> Hell, just having an automated vehicle stop to yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk will probably have people think the AI is faulty. 23:30 <@Dagmar> Okay, normally the "X things which are Y and will make you say "Z!"" are sites I hate *but*... 23:30 < RangerZ1> no, you just record everything from every angle, and if a person jumps into the street, you blame the person 23:30 <@Dagmar> http://news.distractify.com/fun/scary-panoramas/?v=1 23:30 <@Dagmar> This is some fucked up shitznit 23:30 < dasunt> I already frequently see drivers honking at another driver trying to make a left because the oncoming traffic lane is clear and god-damn-who-needs-to-check-the-sidewalks-anyways? 23:30 < RangerZ1> I expect big companies to jump on the auto truck hard in the future, but it'll be 15+yrs I think for legal system to catch up 23:31 <@Dagmar> Seriously. That site. NIGHTMARE FUEL. 23:32 <@wilpig> those were funny 23:34 < dasunt> RangerZ1: I'd expect some sort of automated crossover for shipping containers - we're close to it anyways, with a shipping container being able to be shipped on boat, train or truck. 23:34 -!- jilt_ is now known as gauze 23:34 < RangerZ1> wilpig: strategy RPG from some of the FF Tactics team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1qlMHePWKk 23:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Natural Doctrine 4th Official Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 23:35 < RangerZ1> dasunt: they can already do that 23:35 < RangerZ1> there are trucks that can cary them 23:35 < RangerZ1> carry* 23:35 < dasunt> RangerZ1: Yep. I know. But I expect we should be able to automate most of that in the near future. 23:36 < RangerZ1> I've actually been looking into how to use shipping containers as a building material, and I've recently come up with the basis for a 1k sq.ft. house with solar that would be possible to expand the entire roof to solar and provide the house with all the power it needs 23:36 <@Dagmar> They need to quick fucking around get me FFTA on Android goddamn it 23:37 < RangerZ1> I have enough skill to make draftsman level blueprints, but I need an architect to go over it and finish the foundation/roofing, which will need to be done to match local codes 23:38 <@wilpig> RangerZ1: hasn't aht already been done? 23:38 < RangerZ1> yes, but I have some additional ideas on how to make it 'cheap' 23:38 <@wilpig> those containers even used aren't cheap 23:39 < RangerZ1> yes they are 23:39 <@wilpig> they look like ass but are built pretty sturdy 23:39 < RangerZ1> but they were experimenting with different designs, etc 23:39 < RangerZ1> 2.5~4k each 23:39 < RangerZ1> they almost give the fuckers away 23:39 < RangerZ1> b/c they have millions of them extra out in oakland and near ports 23:40 <@wilpig> bleh. time to sleep 23:40 < RangerZ1> same actually 23:41 -!- gauze [jilt@completely.devastated.net] has quit [Quit: ..(cyp): Connection reset by beer] 23:41 <@wilpig> might play a few minutes of bravely default first. trying to level up a pirate and something else now 23:41 <@wilpig> oh the vampire and a dark knight 23:50 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 23:54 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Aug 12 00:00:17 2014