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01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly
01:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Humble Weekly Bundle: Japan Edition (pay what you want and help charity) (at www.humblebundle.com)
01:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> some really nice games on there this time
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02:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ: how many students do you have
02:04 < RangerZ> what you mean?
02:04 < aestetix_> I thought you taught a class
02:04 < RangerZ> ohh, no, just subbing in for my advisor
02:04 < RangerZ> ~30 or so
02:05 < RangerZ> got offered to be an adjunct when I got my masters, but I can't live off < 10k/yr
02:05 < RangerZ> so adjunct profs are just people who have spare time and like to teach
02:06 < aestetix_> how the fuck can anyone live off that
02:06 < RangerZ> they live with their husband/wives who have another job(s)
02:07 < aestetix_> and meanwhile someone in the bay area makes $120k for making buttons on a website
02:07 < RangerZ> the only people living off of it, are adjuncts who are looking to become full time faculty
02:07 < RangerZ> well aestetix_ welcome to the REAL issue with our education system, which is creeping more and more into high erd
02:08 < RangerZ> I'd be a HS programming/math teacher right now... except I wanted to provide for my family in the future
02:08 < RangerZ> and I'd be lucky, since I'd get ~50k, which is a LOT higher than avergage, b/c of where I went to school
02:08 < RangerZ> and being from my home town
02:08 < aestetix_> uh
02:09 < aestetix_> so a HS programming/math teacher can't earn enough to provide for a family?
02:09 < RangerZ> no one can make enough to provide for a family
02:09 < aestetix_> true
02:09 < RangerZ> unless you're very lucky
02:09 < RangerZ> but 50k in NE Ohio is ~100~120kk in san fran
02:10 < RangerZ> I could buy a decent house for ~60k
02:10 < RangerZ> 100k~130k for a ~2000sq.ft. ranch house or so
02:11 < RangerZ> hell I've actually been pricing it out, if I lived at home, I could probably afford to build a small house after just a year or so
02:12 < RangerZ> Thinking up plans for a house for my mom
02:13 < RangerZ> I'm even thinking about a split house, with sound proofing, so we'd have a common property, but different living areas, with a joined central 'family room(s)'
02:13 < aestetix_> http://playspent.org/
02:13 < aestetix_> there it is
02:13 < aestetix_> you'll appreciate that
02:13 < RangerZ> a grey page?
02:13 < RangerZ> lol
02:14 < RangerZ> ahh, ghostery blocked everything on the page
02:14 < RangerZ> lol
02:15 < RangerZ> nice
02:15 < aestetix_> it's scary but accurate
02:15 < RangerZ> http://redistrictinggame.org/
02:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: The ReDistricting Game (at redistrictinggame.org)
02:16 < RangerZ> thats SCARY
02:16 < RangerZ> game that teaches you how to gerrymander
02:16 < RangerZ> and how it works, etc
02:16 < RangerZ> very informative
02:16 < RangerZ> the nuance in it
02:17 < aestetix_> wow this is cool
02:17 < aestetix_> but yeah it seems like in the US
02:17 < aestetix_> there are rich people, and fucked peopel
02:19 < aestetix_> I love how right off the bat, choose your party
02:20 < RangerZ> rich vs poor is going to be the biggest issue for the next 20 years
02:20 < RangerZ> b/c we're WORSE than we were during 1) gilded age 2) robber barrons age
02:21 < RangerZ> hell Youngstown's biggest name historically was one of the robber barrons, Maag (not as well known as Rockefeller/Mellon, but same ~power/influence/wealth at the time, etc
02:22 < aestetix_> well
02:22 < aestetix_> we are the first generation to be worse off than our parents
02:22 < RangerZ> Maag created the first Art Museum of American Art in Youngstown because the owners of 'Snap the Whip', wouldn't sell it to a non-museum
02:22 < RangerZ> so he just _built_ a museum
02:22 < RangerZ> lol
02:26 < RangerZ> and we're going to die earlier
02:26 < RangerZ> YAY US
02:42 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTpcK80irdQhW3MF97dRl67PiJh8WSU5O
02:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: SPENT: Looking For Change - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:42 < RangerZ> aestetix_: Visa and TYT partnered for a look into how our banking system fails us
02:43 < RangerZ> its thankfully not very preachy about visa's answers, but still, its a problem
02:43 < RangerZ> sorry AmEx, not visa
02:52 < aestetix_> RangerZ: the issue with the gerrymandering game is that there always seems to be a way to win
02:58 < RangerZ> b/c there is
02:58 < RangerZ> its not a 'game'
02:58 < RangerZ> its a teaching lesson
02:59 < RangerZ> if Politicans get to select their votors, then politicans get to decide who is elected
03:04 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/298487125400223744
03:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / ezraklein: Gerrymandering is not what’s ... (at twitter.com)
03:04 < RangerZ> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/03/gerrymandering-is-not-whats-wrong-with-american-politics/
03:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Gerrymandering is not whats wrong with American politics - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
03:04 < RangerZ> for aestetix_
03:06 < RangerZ> FINALLY
03:06 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9x30cZTSc
03:06 <@GateKeeper> Title: How politicians rig elections, explained in 2 minutes - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
03:06 < RangerZ> there we go
03:06 < RangerZ> Video Ezra Klein made about the topic a little while ago
04:48 < aestetix_> man
04:48 < aestetix_> Black Mesa is awesome
04:56 < aestetix_> http://www.the-drone.com/magazine/media/2012/11/lo%20res%20Krent%20Able%27s%20Laugh-In%20%28p2%29.jpeg
06:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: you'd appreciate the character in the game I'm playing, he's gay, but refuses to admit it, and so his inner 'persona' goes psycho and transforms into a giant wielding 2 male gender symbols, as his weapons... that and the bed of roses that are acting as his pirate shirt's fluffy ruffle collar... and his muscle builder henchmen... hehe
06:08 < aestetix_> RangerZ: do you know offhand how old the idea of negative income tax is?
06:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> god japanese have no problem playing stereotypes to full effect
06:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: offhand no, but I think its a good idea, that would lead to horrible outcomes after politics got envolved
06:08 < aestetix_> right
06:08 < aestetix_> The question I'm trying to answer
06:09 < aestetix_> is why did FDR implement welfare instead of a NIT
06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> NIT?
06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> national income tax?
06:09 < aestetix_> negative income tax
06:09 < aestetix_> yeah
06:09 < aestetix_> And it would make sense if milton friedman was the first to propose it
06:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> because FDR hated the idea of welfare
06:10 < aestetix_> heh
06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> didn't want people on "the dole"
06:10 < aestetix_> so he wanted to make it as hard as possible to get the money?
06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> it was the first female cabinet member who pushed FDR into, and got the new deal passed
06:10 < aestetix_> who?
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06:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> i just saw a really interesting piece on this, let me find link
06:11 < aestetix_> thanks
06:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins
06:11 < aestetix_> because you can trace a lot of issues with america to FDR
06:11 <@GateKeeper> Title: Frances Perkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
06:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd say you can trace a lot of the 'current manifestations of issues' to FDR, since he changed how we deal with issues, but we had the same root issues before, and after
06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/what-would-frances-perkins-think-the-curre
06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-most-important-liberal-youve-never-heard
06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> both from the last word, is where I saw it
06:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> i've meant to read into it more, but haven't had time
06:13 < aestetix_> well FDR got away with a lot of stuff because of the depression and pearl harbor
06:14 < aestetix_> I'd love to look at the congressional record from when he pushed the new deal through
06:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> and? LBJ got away with passing the civil rights acts, etc b/c of JFK's assassination, and him basically blackmailing people from TX that he new personally, and manipulating people behind the scenes b/c he was a die hard congress insider
06:16 < aestetix_> haha
06:16 < aestetix_> right
06:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> he was crass, rude, and chauvinistic, started vietnam, and everything, but he got the civil/voting rights acts passed
06:17 < aestetix_> yep
06:18 < aestetix_> I know pretty much everything (according to Robert Caro) about LBJ up until 1960
06:18 < aestetix_> he did all kinds of stuff, including making his aides come into the bathroom with him and taking a shit in front of them
06:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> but hell, compared to the head of he FBI... he's a saint
06:19 < aestetix_> hahah
06:19 < aestetix_> I have a book on Hoover I should read
06:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> hoover was in then right?
06:20 < aestetix_> yes
06:20 < aestetix_> March 23, 1935 – May 2, 1972
06:20 < aestetix_> afk
06:20 < aestetix_> also
06:20 * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite
06:41 <@Shadow404> diaf shapr
07:30 < aestetix_> http://www.wired.com/2014/08/i-liked-everything-i-saw-on-facebook-for-two-days-heres-what-it-did-to-me/
07:30 < aestetix_> this is a fascinating experiment
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07:59 <@wilpig> aestetix_: it's a very good article and reflection on the state of data mining in regards to advertising
08:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:20 < scribbles> ahoy
08:21 <@Dolemite> Arrr!
08:32 < aestetix_> wilpig: indeed
08:32 < aestetix_> Because it's not just "data mining is bad"
08:33 < aestetix_> But that what we're doing really doesn't work very well
08:33 <@wilpig> It just shows that the tools we're using assume the user will act in a specific way. they aren't accounting for the better idiot factor
08:33 < aestetix_> it would do some good to get all these idiot technologists in a room and not let them leave until they have read I, Robot
08:33 < aestetix_> and Foundation for good measure
08:34 < aestetix_> wilpig: the epitome of assumptions without user testing is that Windows 8 made it to the public
08:34 <@wilpig> god knows Dolemite and I have written shit and put into opendcim that we intended for folks to use one way and they went down some strange path and caused us to look back and completely rethink the flow of things
08:35 < aestetix_> Apple claims they just put stuff out there and it works, but I imagine they do an insane amount of user testing
08:36 <@wilpig> apparently we had another DDoS this morning. we sustained about 25Gb/s for roughly 20 minutes
08:37 < aestetix_> god damn
08:37 < aestetix_> Maybe it was a religious group angry about the porn
08:37 <@wilpig> we've had several like that over the past few weeks
08:37 <@wilpig> neteng/security thinks we're being probed for capacity / functionality
08:37 < aestetix_> I'm on the tail-end of getting chef finally working
08:38 < aestetix_> which means we'll be able to scale against DDoS attacks if we get one
08:38 < aestetix_> Stage 2 is integrating with cloudflare
08:39 <@wilpig> we're about to get something spun up with cloudflare
08:39 <@wilpig> lots of engineering changes had to happen here first
08:39 * aestetix_ nods
08:39 < aestetix_> just like for getting chef going
08:40 < aestetix_> I also have to overhaul our network, as well as our deploy process
08:40 < aestetix_> but it will make a ton of stuff just work, and dozens of errors I often have to deal with will go away
08:40 < aestetix_> leaving me to do even less!
08:40 < aestetix_> the trick is to make sure you don't automate so well that it's obvious you no longer have anything to do :p
08:42 < aestetix_> also vagina
08:42 <@wilpig> "ash why have we been playing tennis with a pokeball?"
08:43 <@wilpig> "because picachu pissed on my rug"
08:43 < aestetix_> at least donald duck didn't masturbate on your toast
08:44 < aestetix_> Imagine poor mickey waking up to that
08:48 < aestetix_> on an unrelated note, did anything interesting come out of blackhat/defcon?
08:48 <@wilpig> nothing major of note.
08:48 <@wilpig> the wardriving cat was amusing
08:48 < aestetix_> That's what it seems like.
08:48 < aestetix_> I really liked Dan Geer's blackhat keynote.
08:48 < aestetix_> Beyond that, yeah....
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08:53 < aestetix_> It's amusing that I think the number one criticism HOPE got this year was overcrowding.
08:54 <@wilpig> hope just has a really awful space
08:54 < aestetix_> lol
08:55 < aestetix_> We have to figure out something for next time. Because.... the hotel penn really isn't big enough anymore, and there's nowhere else in NYC we can do it.
08:55 < aestetix_> Maybe madison square garden will donate their space for the weekend
08:55 <@wilpig> yeah right
08:56 < aestetix_> wilpig: did you have a good time at HOPE though?
08:57 <@wilpig> so so. I wasn't there a whole lot.
08:57 <@wilpig> no major complaints anyhow
08:58 < aestetix_> I will point out that HOPE had video streaming, unlike DefCon
08:59 <@wilpig> defcon sells their videos for $$$
08:59 < aestetix_> so does HOPE
08:59 < aestetix_> Although we also give speakers a free copy of their talk DVD and allow them to do whatever they want with it
09:29 <@Dolemite> That's good
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09:50 < aestetix_> Ok so
09:50 < aestetix_> What book would you require someone to read before hiring them?
09:52 <@wilpig> One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish
09:52 <@Dickie> Books are for faggots, trick question
09:53 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: and cock handlers
09:55 <@wilpig> guess I better get in the mood to work now. kaleem should be here any moment now
09:58 < aestetix_> Wow, I didn't know Montel Williams was doing commercials for loan sharks
09:58 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDylgzybWAw
10:01 <@Corydon76-home> Given the topic of Montel's episodes, is there anybody who would be happy to see him on their doorstep with a camera?
10:01 <@Corydon76-home> Compare Oprah or Ellen
10:02 <@Corydon76-home> Even Donahue has gotten out of the act, because people don't want to see him, and that makes for very limited endorsement prospects
10:02 < aestetix_> Ja-reee! Ja-reee!
10:03 <@wilpig> I would love to see springer on my doorstep
10:03 <@Corydon76-home> Springer's show was long ago exposed as a farce, not a real show.
10:04 < aestetix_> What if Jerry Springer joined the Publisher's Clearing House
10:04 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/where-do-they-get-these-people/Content?oid=1185378
10:04 < aestetix_> Shows up on random doorsteps with a media crew and says "did you know your baby's father is really the truck driver?"
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10:05 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: that would be Montel, not Springer
10:05 <@Corydon76-home> Springer only books actors
10:07 < aestetix_> Oh wow. Payday loan places are charging up to 1900% annual interest rates?
10:08 <@wilpig> springer had plenty of real guests but they definitely hammed up the proceedings
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10:09 <@wilpig> I've heard several interviews with him on the radio saying precisely that. he was always amused by the people that wanted on his show to air their dirty laundry nationally
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10:11 < aestetix_> Dolemite: wilpig speaking of making the talks accessible for free....
10:11 < aestetix_> This hasn't been announced yet, but http://x.hope.net/schedule.html
10:11 < aestetix_> You can now download the audio of all the talks
10:15 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: there always was some question about whether Springer actually knew that the show was fake. He did keep plausible deniability over it.
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10:36 < aestetix_> Oh christ.
10:36 < aestetix_> They made a movie out of The Giver.
10:36 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
10:36 * shapr hugs Shadow404
10:36 <@shapr> ain't it a byootiful day out thar?
10:36 * aestetix_ hands shapr a "g" before he can say anything
10:36 <@shapr> She wants the g
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10:40 * shapr hugs klixa
10:40 <@shapr> y0 y0
10:41 < aestetix_> shapr: where is my vaina
10:41 <@shapr> aestetix_: am I your vaina's keeper?
10:41 * shapr chortles
10:41 < aestetix_> don't you mean "queefs"?
10:42 <@shapr> !ud queefs
10:42 <@shapr> I'm afraid to even look up the definition.
10:42 * shapr turns up the dubstep and codes faster
10:42 <@shapr> This is phat country!
10:42 < aestetix_> oh jesus fuck you like dubstep?
10:42 < aestetix_> /kicks Shadow404
10:42 < aestetix_> oops
10:42 < aestetix_> I meant shapr
10:42 <@shapr> psh
10:43 < aestetix_> wub wub wub
10:43 <@shapr> I'm going to the dubstep block party in Nashville a coupla weeks from now
10:43 < aestetix_> maybe you can pick up a few beats to bring with you
10:43 <@shapr> I'm looking forward to seeing Diplo, Zed's Dead, and GRiZ. You gonna be there?
10:43 < aestetix_> because dubstep seems to forget about them
10:43 <@shapr> Assuming I get my underkillt project done in time I'll be wearing it there.
10:43 < aestetix_> I hate dubstep
10:44 <@shapr> it's cool, everybody has their own taste in music. What do you like?
10:44 < aestetix_> country AND western
10:44 <@shapr> Cool, got any favorite recent artists?
10:45 <@shapr> I'm always looking to hear new stuff.
10:46 <@Dagmar> shapr: I may be there. It depends on how much i think I can resist the temptation to murder a bunch of fucking hipsters
10:47 <@shapr> would be fun to meet some people from this channel, send me a message if you show up!
10:47 <@Dagmar> I like dubstep fine. The dubstep fans, on the other hand, seem only suitable as fertilizer
10:48 <@Dagmar> "We don't like rave music because it's all about the drugs" <-- meanwhile, smokes potpourri until they can't see straight
10:48 <@Dolemite> I got a new riding mower this weekend. I'm thinking of recording some dubstep with it. Does that count, shapr?
10:48 <@Dolemite> I can put it in forward/reverse/forward/reverse/etc.
10:48 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you should go dressed as Skrillex
10:48 <@Dagmar> Same level of drug infestation as ravers--just _bad_ drugs--oh, and they DON'T FUCKING DANCE
10:49 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: We have the same wardroe
10:49 <@Dagmar> er wardrobe
10:49 <@Dagmar> I just don't have long hair. Hipster hornrims I can buy.
10:50 <@Dagmar> Every time I go to a dubstep thing I see the bulk of the crowd just bouncing up and down with one fist in the air
10:50 <@Dagmar> That's called "pogoing"
10:50 <@Dagmar> It's what punks do because largely punks can't dance, either.
10:50 <@Dagmar> Except punks are graded on their durability, not their nimbleness.
10:51 <@Dagmar> It makes me want to kill each and every shallow one of them.
10:51 <@Dagmar> A perfectly good scene, being ruined by scenesters
10:51 < aestetix_> Dagmar: go to the ghetto and get hair extenders
10:51 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: the fuck why
10:52 < aestetix_> To look like Skrillex
10:52 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I do not have a problem with Skrillex
10:52 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I have a problem with his K2-addled fans
10:54 <@Dagmar> Now, if it begins to look like eliminating Skrillex will make the dubstep 'scene' collapse, then we should talk to him about that
10:54 <@Dagmar> Right now it looks like it would only slow them down a bit
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10:58 < aestetix_> yeah it sounds like the highlight of defcon this year was drinking
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11:09 < aestetix_> man
11:09 < aestetix_> have you ever watched people talk about tech on cspan?
11:10 <@Dagmar> I'd rather masturbate with steel wool
11:10 <@Dagmar> It would be just as educational.
11:10 < aestetix_> It's a great way to find out why we're having all these issues
11:11 <@Dagmar> We're having all these issues becuase the average joe might as well be stoned around the clock for as good as their long-term memory is
11:11 <@Dagmar> ...and politicians make careers out of exploiting the vulnerability that creates.
11:12 <@Dagmar> ...which means the _least_ informed people are the ones making the decisions, no matter how well-informed a minority of tech-savvy people are, they aren't the ones calling the shots.
11:13 < aestetix_> tell us how you really feel
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11:19 <@Corydon76-home> If you consider how many different occupations the average person had at the time the Constitution was written, it makes sense why such persons could come up with a system of government where one person could cast votes on all sorts of different situations.
11:20 <@Dagmar> Their heads weren't up their asses
11:20 <@Corydon76-home> Might a system of government where only persons educated in a particular field could make governance decisions about that field make sense?
11:20 <@Dagmar> But our people now don't necessarily have their heads up their asses
11:20 <@Dagmar> They're just focused on money and power and nothing else
11:21 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: If you'd like to see people meta everything until it's applicable to their field, go right ahead
11:21 <@shapr> Dolemite: I wanna hear this lawnmower dubstep
11:22 <@Dolemite> I will see what I can do
11:22 <@shapr> Dolemite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UexCBJF_n-4
11:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: 16 Bit - Chainsaw Calligraphy - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:22 <@Dagmar> D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-rop, the blade!
11:22 <@Dolemite> Maybe I can even add in a backfire or two
11:23 <@shapr> funny thing is that some of the early dubstep used lawn appliances, 16bit's chainsaw calligraphy comes to mind
11:23 <@Dolemite> Do people listen to that stuff outside of GitMo?
11:24 <@shapr> I'm especially fond of chainsaw calligraphy
11:29 <@Dolemite> So. Anybody else check out the new Garfunkel & Oates TV series this weekend?
11:32 <@Dolemite> Well you should. It was hilarious.
11:34 <@wilpig> yes
11:34 <@shapr> wontpig!
11:35 < aestetix_> ok so
11:35 < aestetix_> I am going to be speaking at harvar
11:35 < aestetix_> harvard
11:35 < aestetix_> should I goatse them?
11:35 <@Dolemite> Yes, you definitely should.
11:36 < aestetix_> Dolemite: wanna look at my slide to make sure it's appropriate?
11:37 <@Dolemite> aestetix_: Sure
11:37 <@Dolemite> Yeah, looks good
11:38 < aestetix_> HOld on
11:38 <@shapr> aestetix_: cool, I spoke at MIT once, it was fun
11:38 < aestetix_> lemme stretch it out a little more
11:38 <@shapr> What will you be talking about at Harvard?
11:38 < aestetix_> shapr: online identity issues
11:38 <@shapr> oh cool
11:38 < aestetix_> hopefully it will be on the website shortly
11:38 < aestetix_> good god
11:39 < aestetix_> https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/2014/09/InternetPolicySymposium
11:39 < aestetix_> who the fuck runs a conference from 8:30am to 1pm
11:39 <@shapr> I gave a talk on emacs and Haskell integration at the CSAIL reading room
11:39 <@shapr> where emacs started...
11:39 <@shapr> made me happy
11:39 < aestetix_> 8:30 is when I wake up and drink water to make the hangover go away
11:39 <@shapr> aestetix_: Harvard?
11:39 < aestetix_> 1pm is when I actually get up
11:41 < aestetix_> I should hit up a friend of mine about speaking at MIT
11:41 < aestetix_> since I fucking swear the lawyers and policy folks know nothing about tech
11:41 < aestetix_> for examlpe they think SSL makes them secure
11:42 < aestetix_> And I tend to think the cryptographic community has "identity" in generally completely wrong
11:42 < aestetix_> which has reflected in some of the taxonomy battles I've gotten into with NIST
11:43 < aestetix_> also they have probably already seen goatse
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11:46 <@Dolemite> While this is a long overdue idea, there is really no reason why this should cost $1,399. http://www.skullysystems.com/#home
11:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: SKULLY (at www.skullysystems.com)
11:46 <@Dolemite> Oh, and shapr, there's some wub-wub in the soundtrack to the sales video, so you should watch it.
11:48 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: have you ever met anyone who reminded you of goatse?
11:48 <@Corydon76-home> Just you
11:48 < aestetix_> You've never seen me in that position
11:48 < aestetix_> ..... I think
11:49 <@Corydon76-home> Most people are polite enough not to remind others that that site ever existed
11:50 < aestetix_> shapr: you mean where emacs was started by a guy who eats his own toe fungus
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> Since when was emacs started at Harvard?
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> You're thinking of MIT
11:51 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: he was referring to MIT
11:51 < aestetix_> 15:40 <@shapr> I gave a talk on emacs and Haskell integration at the CSAIL reading room
11:55 <@shapr> yeah, I used to hang out at MIT
11:55 <@shapr> and some at Harvard, and some at Tufts
11:55 <@shapr> lots of cool people there
11:56 <@shapr> I miss it, I'm tempted to move back to Boston somedays.
11:56 <@shapr> But I hated the weather :-(
11:56 < aestetix_> Is harvard still a place where they study the classics and such?
11:57 <@shapr> Sure, that too
11:57 <@shapr> but lots of cool tech that fits inside my interests too
12:00 <@shapr> I hung out with the OLPC guys, they tried to hire me.
12:00 < aestetix_> Maybe I should hang out in Boston
12:00 <@shapr> Lots of people try to hire me, but mostly they don't have sufficiently interesting problems.
12:00 <@shapr> OLPC did, but I wasn't in the right place to take that job.
12:01 < aestetix_> You don't think that creating a social network to let you know when a friend is walking their dog near you is an interesting problem?
12:01 <@shapr> Mind you, I still have three OLPC XO-1s
12:01 < aestetix_> That's about the caliber of startups that the bay area is shitting out these days
12:01 <@shapr> no, but creating a social network to let you know when your friends are going to a movie, or going out to eat, and would welcome your company... that would be interesting
12:02 <@shapr> although I've had some neat ideas about transitive online identity networks
12:02 < aestetix_> You've seen what we did with openamd?
12:02 <@shapr> I'd like to be able to lookup a friend's 'definition' of a name
12:02 <@shapr> nope?
12:02 < aestetix_> http://www.openamd.org/
12:03 <@shapr> huh, neat
12:03 < aestetix_> keep in mind we did this in 2008
12:03 <@shapr> dang spiffy
12:03 < aestetix_> now it's sort of a common idea
12:03 <@shapr> I'd also like location aware shopping lists
12:03 < aestetix_> We tried that actually
12:04 <@shapr> "You're near the grocery store and you put these items on your shopping list"
12:04 < aestetix_> It turns out that most shopping places don't like them
12:04 <@shapr> How did it work?
12:04 <@shapr> why not?
12:04 < aestetix_> To quote "we want to interfere with the shopping experience as little as possible"
12:04 <@shapr> I could totally go for an app that gives me the most efficient directions through a store to close out my shopping list.
12:04 < aestetix_> it takes away from impulse buys
12:04 <@shapr> that makes sense
12:04 <@shapr> would take away from wal-mart revenue
12:04 <@opticron> yep
12:04 <@shapr> but that's not a bad thing :-)
12:05 <@opticron> would probably also make the store as a whole less congested
12:05 < aestetix_> well yes
12:05 < aestetix_> But they don't want that.
12:05 < aestetix_> They want you in the store for as long as possible
12:05 <@opticron> and give walmart insight as to when they might need another register or two open a little ahead of time
12:05 <@opticron> right
12:05 < aestetix_> they also don't want that
12:05 <@shapr> yeah, I saw some research that says people spend $100 an hour in wal-mart
12:05 <@opticron> it's company-optimal, not consumer-optimal
12:05 <@shapr> so the longer they keep them in the store, the more money they make
12:06 < aestetix_> right
12:06 < aestetix_> and having a device which directs them to place A
12:06 < aestetix_> also winds up directing them away from place B
12:07 < aestetix_> also, if people are looking at their phones, they aren't looking at the shelves
12:07 < aestetix_> and so on
12:08 < aestetix_> So you'll note that places like Walgreens do have an iphone app.... that lets you know where the nearest walgreens is based on your location
12:08 < aestetix_> but nothing beyond that
12:08 < aestetix_> They are happy to guide you away from where you are to find them
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12:40 < aestetix_> http://www.impraise.com/
12:40 < aestetix_> another quality y combinator widget
12:46 <@shapr> aestetix_: Ever heard of a quantified self dashboard that integrates various web scrapers?
12:47 < aestetix_> uhhhh
12:47 < aestetix_> Sure.
12:47 < aestetix_> How do you think the stock markets function :)
12:48 <@shapr> I want to pull in data from github, my bank, my gym records, that sort of thing.
12:59 < aestetix_> Hmm.
13:00 < aestetix_> Short term thinking, reactionary, blinded by privilege.
13:00 < aestetix_> Yep, that's the bay area!
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14:04 < aestetix_> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/09/aestetix
14:04 < aestetix_> yay
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14:21 < aestetix_> http://www.airpair.com/
14:22 < aestetix_> that could get complicated quickly
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14:32 <@Dagmar> This should be interesting
14:33 <@Dagmar> We've got a somewhat elderly and non-technical person trying to act as a liason between ourselves and the customers here.
14:34 <@Dagmar> Six hours were blown on Friday because I had to use italics and boldface with her to make it clear I needed the _originating hostname_ to troubleshoot a connection--because it worked for me from everywhere I tried.
14:34 <@Dagmar> Today this same group is coming back and wailing that their stuff doesn't work, still trying to blame it on us. They did not check to see that a pair of their nodes are VERY down right now
14:34 <@Dolemite> This that developer trying to access from Starbucks, again?
14:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah basically
14:35 <@Dagmar> THis woman introduces _far_ more complexity than necessary
14:35 <@Dagmar> For one thing, she arbitrarily decides that these VIPs need to migrate at 7am
14:35 <@Dagmar> I'm like, okay, I'll double- and treble-check every fucking thing
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> I *love* finding out about a new API on the day of launch (after 3 weeks of prior development)
14:36 <@Dagmar> ...cuz there's no utility in me "checking" the VIPs at 7am because half the time we don't know what the fucking API is in the first place
14:36 <@Dagmar> The connection goes through. That's all I give a shit about
14:36 <@Dagmar> I make sure the connection goes through before I even send off the DNS change request
14:36 <@Dagmar> Either the DNS change goes through or it doesn't.
14:37 <@Dagmar> But *someone's* taken it upon themselves to declare some of these moves a fail because no one explicitly tells her the DNS changes took place until 8:30-9:00am
14:37 <@Dagmar> If the DNS change goes through, nothing happens other than "shit still works"
14:37 <@Dagmar> If they don't go through, "shit still works".
14:38 <@Dagmar> The only reason we had a minor issue this time was that these tools are using port 8080 for their VIPs, and suprisingly, that port isn't reachable by just anyone on the network
14:38 <@Dagmar> For some insane reason _we're_ allowed to bypass that policy
14:39 <@Dagmar> So, when I tested the shit with the VPN client installed like I'm supposed to... it worked fine.
14:41 <@Dagmar> I wouldn't bother sending off the request to have the DNS changed until I *know* the stuff I'm putting into the new LTMs works
15:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I NEED UR HELP, MANG
15:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Help me complete the following: Poor Oppressed Minority Perception Of U_____ Syndrome
15:11 <@Dagmar> Uncaring, maybe?
15:12 <@Dagmar> It's the dementia that strikes a minority person when they feel their most trivial demands aren't being taken seriously enough
15:13 <@opticron> Underdog Syndrome?
15:14 <@Dagmar> That would imply their complaints are legit
15:14 <@Dagmar> Let me give you an example
15:15 <@Dagmar> http://transcriptsblog.tumblr.com/post/57018685498/the-amazing-atheist-makes-rape-threats-and-attempts-to
15:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Transcripts - The Amazing Atheist makes rape threats and attempts to trigger a victim (at transcriptsblog.tumblr.com)
15:15 <@Dagmar> THere is a Tl;DR to that
15:15 <@Dagmar> ...and that's that a group of token fauxminists were taking it upon themselves to hound this guy en masse
15:15 <@Dagmar> Quite obviously, dude reached a breaking point and did the expected flame-out
15:16 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that some of these people were _quite_ less than reasonable
15:16 <@Dagmar> So, I've got a POMPOUS sufferer in the other channel who is totally against this guy for having retaliated in kind against the mob
15:17 <@Dagmar> Like, didn't we all learn _not_ to gang up on someone like that while we were still in grade school?
15:17 <@opticron> unconcern
15:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah but the next time this jackass wants to have a POMPOUS flare-up, I'm going to have a handy (and mean) diagnosis for him
15:18 <@Dagmar> He's one of those people who refers to his "cis-friends".
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15:18 <@Dagmar> ...because gods forbid we accept the fact that the majority case doesn't need adjectives attached.
15:19 < ware> oh shit
15:21 <@opticron> POMPO Unoffensive Situations
15:21 <@Dagmar> Still, situations like that are why the moment I see the set up coming, I start talking about The Great Equalizer, white kerosene.
15:25 < aestetix_> Dagmar: hmmm
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15:29 < aestetix_> Dagmar: Usefulness
15:29 < aestetix_> Poor Oppressed Minority Perception Of Usefulness Syndrome
15:31 <@Dolemite> ware: That was our reaction when you joined!
15:32 <@wilpig> he isn't banned? who summoned him?
15:32 <@Dolemite> Someone must have said his name 3 times in a row
15:32 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: was it really that slow of of a day?
15:33 < aestetix_> Dagmar: wait. How is that triggering
15:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: What?
15:33 < aestetix_> I'm reading the link
15:33 < aestetix_> I don't undersatnd how that first comment is triggering
15:34 < aestetix_> Dagmar: did you see the bit between @shanley and john adams (from twitter)?
15:35 <@wilpig> Dolemite: you got any cisco ONS equipment out there?
15:35 < aestetix_> He's a security engineer at twitter
15:35 < aestetix_> She raged at him, on twitter, for not making all the badguys go away
15:35 < aestetix_> And he tried to explain that it's a difficult engineering problem
15:35 < aestetix_> As you can imagine, that didn't go well
15:36 <@Dolemite> ONS?
15:36 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: It's "triggering" because of POMPOUS
15:36 <@wilpig> yeah. weird blade like system
15:36 <@Dolemite> Oh, UCS?
15:36 <@wilpig> Cisco ONS 15454
15:37 <@wilpig> Optical Network System. it's a weird duck
15:37 <@Dolemite> No
15:37 <@wilpig> Yahoo sent this thing over and it's supposed to work with the dark fiber system but we don't have the chassis that it's supposed to sit in
15:38 <@Dolemite> yah, we only use Cisco for internal distribution
15:38 <@wilpig> trying to verify I found the right part number for the shelf unit that fits just this one unit so you can mount it but if you don't have nay
15:38 <@Dolemite> Might be moving away from using it for there, too
15:38 <@wilpig> toward?
15:38 <@Dolemite> Arista
15:38 <@Dolemite> The high performance computing folks LURV IT
15:39 <@Dolemite> Cost is mucho lesso, too
15:39 <@wilpig> anything has to cost less than cisco and juniper
15:40 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: Hmm?
15:40 <@wilpig> did you summon him because you were bored and dabbling with the occult?
15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Summon who?
15:40 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, ware?
15:40 <@wilpig> it wans't you
15:40 <@Bahhumbug> No. That was not me.
15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster!
15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster!
15:41 <@Bahhumbug> Mercster!
15:41 <@Bahhumbug> I did summon Mercster, though.
15:41 < aestetix_> hi
15:41 < aestetix_> oh that didn't work
15:41 < aestetix_> boo
15:41 * wilpig punches Bahhumbug in the dick
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15:41 < Mercster_> hi
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15:42 <@wilpig> row4 is just fucked
15:42 <@wilpig> I swear. you let network engineering near anything they make a mess out of it
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15:43 * Bahhumbug whistles quietly
15:43 <@wilpig> living dangerously now
15:44 <@Bahhumbug> No; that was earlier when I was cutting down a bush at the end of my driveway and some stupid inbred redneck piece of shit tried to hit me.
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15:44 <@wilpig> were you standing on a ladder in the road, or just in the road in general?
15:44 <@Bahhumbug> I was on the easement so off the road.
15:45 <@wilpig> up here that counts as a lane
15:45 <@wilpig> just sayin'
15:45 < aestetix> The only thing worse than smelly cat poop is a flatulent cat that follows you around
15:45 <@wilpig> aestetix: i'll take that challenge
15:46 <@Bahhumbug> Hahahaha
15:46 <@Bahhumbug> My money is on wilpig.
15:46 <@wilpig> I'm thinking you being locked in an office with dolemite on sausage and kraut day will beat a smell cat fart
15:46 < aestetix> no
15:46 <@Bahhumbug> Any bulldog.
15:46 <@Dolemite> Sausage and kraut doesn't really do it to me
15:46 <@Dolemite> However
15:46 <@Mirage> Cheap beer
15:47 < aestetix> wilpig: she jumps into your lap, purrs, and then your head is clouded by this awful aroma
15:47 <@Dolemite> Butter beans after a night of drinking lots of stout would probably cause sanctions and mention of the Geneva Convention
15:48 <@Dagmar> Especially considering that alcohol is a very friendly alkene
15:48 < aestetix> And then the cat drops an audible donkey and you could swear you just heard an angel sing
15:49 <@Dolemite> Later, kids
15:49 <@wilpig> you're leaving on audible donkey?
15:49 <@wilpig> lol
15:51 < aestetix> wilpig: so is the phreaknic swag this year gonna be butter beans?
15:54 <@wilpig> everyone gets begging cups
15:56 <@Mirage> sharpies and ether
15:56 <@wilpig> Mirage: those are my con supplies
15:56 < aestetix> maybe the shwag could be a fleshlight
15:57 <@Bahhumbug> Would that lead to rape?
15:57 < aestetix> You'd have to ask our rape consultant
15:58 <@wilpig> we hape one? like what is that person's job? how to? tips on how not to get?
15:58 < aestetix> You'd have to ask her. I think she goes to the phreaknic planning meetings
15:59 <@Mirage> shouldn't the rape consultant be someone who anyone would want to rape?
16:00 < aestetix> Mirage: if she's not available, you can ask her assistant, ware
16:01 <@Corydon76-home> Mirage: ++
16:02 <@wilpig> Mirage: but isn't she like a subject matter expert? self-proclaimed
16:24 < ware> LOL
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17:32 <@Mirage> Automating anything for Satellite using the API is a nightmare
17:33 <@Mirage> Doing it in python is just pouring salt in the open wound.
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18:02 <@brimstone> Mirage++
18:02 <@brimstone> Satellite.pm or bust
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18:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://xkcd.com/1406/ I'd pay good money for just a few of those ...
18:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Universal Converter Box (at xkcd.com)
18:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> Mirage: I've gotten into arguments with grad students over python.. I'm like... no.. I don't want a duct typing language ... because filling in a method that doesn't clearly define what its input is... is risky business
18:23 < frsilent> RangerZ|Laptop: I've been doing python for nearly 3 years
18:23 < frsilent> great language...but I'm kind of at the point now where I'm fed up with it
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18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> i took an AI class that used python
18:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking sucked
18:24 < frsilent> been trying to get away from imperative to broaden myself
18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c you'd be passed in complex data structures.. .and you had no idea what was getting passed in
18:25 < frsilent> my undergrad didn't even touch functional languages :(
18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> so you had to inspect the object over and over, to tell wtf the structure was
18:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'object' loose term
18:26 < frsilent> yeah...saw some of the problems with its mutability in this: https://github.com/frsilent/chem_nomenclature
18:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: frsilent/chem_nomenclature · GitHub (at github.com)
18:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> I can't post my work, it was EdX's AI course, that we used in conjunction with the course at vandy
18:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> "flipped classroom"
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18:28 < frsilent> lol I was still pretty new with python for a lot of that
18:29 < frsilent> remember an issue with a recursive limit on tree traversal so I was like "fck it" & cast it to a set
18:29 < frsilent> fixed the problem but was one of those things that I was grateful my professors didn't really look too deep into python
18:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> frsilent: ours was a bunch of fucking nuance shit that I disagreed with
18:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is a canonical way to do a binary tree search
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> and they didn't want you to do it, b/c you would 'inspect the leaf nodes too many times'
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> which I disagree, b/c doing so... allows you to use that same pattern for _EVERY_ tree algorithm, without modification
18:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> but their grader program was what I had to get the 100 on... :/
18:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> i spent so long... b/c It took me forever to realize they wanted more optimized, less useful algorithms
18:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> more 'specialized' i should say
18:33 < frsilent> yeah I know what you're talking about lol
18:33 < frsilent> grumble grumble
18:34 < frsilent> I had some guy be a dickhead during an interview when I was looking for a job after school
18:34 < frsilent> because I couldn't do a bfs traversal on demand
18:34 < frsilent> he described what he wanted, I said it was bfs & I could hack it out but knew it was on wikipedia...he did something like "Any CS student should be able to do this without looking it up" lol
18:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> step 1) you instantiate a BFS iterator, and then step 2) you use it
18:35 < frsilent> pretty much
18:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd have laughed at him, and told him, that any CS student would have looked to verify their algorithm
18:36 < frsilent> http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2014/06/24/the-worst-programming-interview-question/
18:36 < frsilent> man I hate the interview process...mostly because I think that everyone sucks at it
18:36 < frsilent> another one I went to while still in school the PM offered me a beer, then went to a meeting & had an indian guy with a *very* strong accent sit down with me & give me a written test
18:37 < frsilent> then told me that my string reversal algo was wrong...even after I wrote it up on a whiteboard & stepped through it line by line with 3 different inputs
18:38 < frsilent> I don't think he understood recursion (I thought the problem was defined for the sole purpose of me demonstrating it, yah academia)
18:38 <@oddball> At that point, you then ask "ok, where is it wrong?"
18:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> besides, in general, recursion is never a good thing
18:39 < frsilent> RangerZ|Laptop: yeah I know but the way the problem was stated I thought they wanted me to demonstrate it
18:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function
18:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ackermann function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
18:40 < frsilent> oddball: at that point I kind of knew I didn't want the job
18:41 < frsilent> when I first showed up the PM was like "Oh yeah great to meet you! You want a beer? We've got a tap in the office. Sorry I'm all sweaty just got done rocking some foosball"
18:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats the ONLY reason you'd ever use recursion... plus if are teaching an algorithms class, you tell the students that if they can write a program that solves up to A(6,3) or some ridiculous low number like that, that the student gets an A immediately in the course and never has to show up again
18:41 <@wilpig> god damn... the audacity of this motherfucker
18:41 < frsilent> then him leaving to have me take a 30m written test & then some guy whose english is terrible go over it with me
18:42 <@wilpig> so I get this note on a ticket
18:42 <@wilpig> "Hello DC,
18:42 <@wilpig> We need this ticket done ASAP as this ticket opened 39 days ago.
18:42 <@wilpig> We're behind our schedules because of this.
18:42 <@wilpig> This ticket shouldn't take more then few hours as you have Patch panels for everything.
18:42 <@wilpig> Thanks in advance
18:42 < frsilent> rofl
18:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
18:42 < frsilent> he gave you a time estimate, nice
18:42 <@wilpig> To complete this ticket that is rated low priority. we have to run 344 cables
18:42 <@wilpig> two labels per cable have to be done by hand and applied
18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 4 hours?
18:43 <@wilpig> if I could print one label a minute there is more than 10 hours of just making labels
18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> k, thanks.
18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
18:43 <@wilpig> this is the same neteng from my previous encounter, btw
18:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, then he's purposely screwing with you
18:44 < frsilent> offer to give him your hourly rate for a "few hours" and then let him do the work
18:44 <@wilpig> now... int he last 30 days since that ticket was opened. we've been down a man at the dc, we've brought in 18 racks of new equipment and all of those are online now and were high priority, reconfigured 30 database servers with 6 new drives each, a new 10gig nic, and a 4TB flash storage card
18:45 <@wilpig> those projects were all high priority. you know what this project is that he's complaining about? OOB
18:45 <@wilpig> the nobody fucking cares of the datacenter world.
18:46 <@wilpig> he also sent a second update to that ticket. two hours later. "Its important to get done by the end of the week, after connecting them.
18:46 <@wilpig> Please respond
18:46 <@wilpig> "
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18:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: who is in charge of sorting your tasks?
18:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> you or a mang?
18:47 <@wilpig> dc manager
18:47 <@wilpig> we keep a running list of shit that needs to be done and the priority they have
18:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> then I'd just laugh at it, and tell the mang. that its funny
18:47 <@wilpig> this has been on the bottom of the list
18:47 <@wilpig> i'm just annoyed cause this dude is being a cunt
18:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> fuck him, just laugh at him, and that'll piss him off more
18:48 < frsilent> hahaha wilpig he really said "pls respond?"
18:49 <@wilpig> yup
18:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> if he did, then I'd write up a nice POLITE response
18:49 <@wilpig> there were two people currently watching that ticket. him and one of the other network guys
18:50 <@wilpig> my response was "Row6 has been completed. We have figured up the labels for the rest of the room and we will start making labels and running cables tomorrow. There are more than 300 cables to be run and it is not something that can be completed in a few hours."
18:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> explaining that contrary to popular opinion, patch panels don't solve every cabling issues, and the DC, and We'd need over 10 hours of just label creation alone, etc
18:50 <@wilpig> took me about an hour today to generate the line in google sheets to figure out the labels
18:50 <@wilpig> this thing is a monster
18:51 <@wilpig> =if(iseven(left(E216,1)),if(right(left(J216,4),1)="1",if(F216="bottom","",CONCATENATE("Panel 3 - Port ", INT(RIGHT(E216,2)))),CONCATENATE("Panel 2 - Port ", (INT(RIGHT(E216,2)+if(F216="top",0,24))))),if(right(left(J216,4),1)="8",if(F216="bottom","",CONCATENATE("Panel 3 - Port ", INT(RIGHT(E216,2)))),CONCATENATE("Panel 2 - Port ", (INT(RIGHT(E216,2)+if(F216="top",0,24))))))
18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> weak sauce
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18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> that can be done in less, come on... use regex
18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
18:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> j/k, obviously
18:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah, that guy doesn't know how to run cables, nor how a DC is setup
18:52 <@wilpig> I could have done it so much easier in 1000 other ways but it had to be done in that fucking spreadsheet
18:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol... yeah... i've had that problem before, sucks
18:53 <@wilpig> poor cat. she was hanging on teh cat tree batting at penny. penny whopped her good and knocked her bitch ass off. she fell and hit my flash light
18:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> s/flash/flesh
18:59 <@wilpig> flash was correct, sorry to disappoint
19:00 <@wilpig> this goes with that crazy formula. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yznpxzybunj7em/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-11%20at%206.59.55%20PM.png
19:00 <@wilpig> it's what fills in the blank
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19:08 <@oddball> well... fuck
19:08 <@oddball> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-robin-williams-dies-20140811-story.html
19:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: Robin Williams dies at 63 of apparent suicide - LA Times (at www.latimes.com)
19:10 <@wilpig> did someone kidnap him and force him to watch patch adams?
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19:12 <@oddball> oof, harsh
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19:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> depression is a shitty thing
19:33 <@Shadow404> damn
19:33 <@Shadow404> fu wilpig
19:33 <@Shadow404> thats harsh
19:33 <@Shadow404> RangerZ|Laptop: this sucks, actually feel bad about this loss
19:34 < frsilent> yep =(
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20:29 < RangerZ1> any EE type people here right now?
20:31 < aestetix> wilpig: when I say that if statement I thought it was lisp
20:47 < aestetix> sigh
20:47 < aestetix> RIP Robin Williams
20:47 < scoob> seriously
20:47 < scoob> just saw]
20:47 < RangerZ1> yeah, it sucks
20:47 < scoob> probably the first celebrity death that actually made me pause for a second
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21:17 < RangerZ1> firebomb incoming
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21:20 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: good post. would read again
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21:30 < aestetix> who runs the website?
21:33 <@Shadow404> recomendation, dont set a launch date, if your not gonna meet it
21:33 <@Shadow404> just saying
21:33 <@wilpig> aestetix: several people have access
21:37 < aestetix> here enjoy some epic fail: http://i.imgur.com/GtserMf.gif
21:40 < aestetix> and another one: http://i.imgur.com/qFzezL9.gif
21:40 < aestetix> that poor hamster
21:40 < RangerZ1> aestetix: thats not fair comparing the PN non-static webpage to that balloon & dru
21:41 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I'm guessing she never bounced a bouncy ball from ontop of a basketball
21:41 < RangerZ1> might be able to reach LEO leveraging that kind of tech.... lol
21:44 < aestetix> it's really funny if you imagine sound effects
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21:46 <@wilpig> holy shit was this a depressing movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2378281/?ref_=nv_sr_3
21:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Instructions Not Included (2013) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
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21:54 < aestetix> wilpig: so this website thing should not be an issue
21:55 < RangerZ1> no, it shouldn't be, but its symptomatic, and the only outward facing the con has right now
21:56 < aestetix> I mean updating it should not be an issue
21:57 <@wilpig> aestetix: as I am not local and those that are haven't communicated what hte deal is back to me I can't comment. I can say that it's not unexpected from who's in charge that an excuse will be presented for lack of anything/everything
21:58 < aestetix> wilpig: you own phreaknic.org?
21:58 < RangerZ1> the "thing" holding up the site, is "registration" supposedly
21:59 < RangerZ1> which I don't understand why registration has to be up the second CFP goes out
21:59 < aestetix> and .info
21:59 < aestetix> wilpig: just redirect the DNS to another server
21:59 <@wilpig> that's stupid seeing as how it's built on a cms, which is dumb, so the registration would be a module off that right?
21:59 <@wilpig> so you could put up a site and add that later
22:00 <@wilpig> but I heard some mention of ssl so i'm sure that'll be the excuse
22:00 < aestetix> why doesn't jonnyx just do it oldschool and make the event free
22:00 <@wilpig> aestetix: why? I have access to the server. I can put up a page. I was not asked to do so
22:00 < aestetix> oh
22:00 <@wilpig> someone was kind enough to remove my attribution from the page that is up now
22:00 <@wilpig> I went ahead and added it back seeing as how it is my work and that was just fucking rude
22:01 <@wilpig> next time one of you sees crazy pants you can tell her as much. please garnish it with cunt as well
22:01 < aestetix> wilpig: I can find a picture of a vagina if you need one
22:02 <@wilpig> considering my attribution didn't have any text whatsoever and was just an extremely small hotlink to me. it was very rude
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22:03 <@wilpig> don't you agree SuMo_D ?
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22:12 <@Dagmar> Heh.
22:13 <@Dagmar> Java (the black tortie cat) was apparently trying to push her way into my apartment tonight
22:13 <@Dagmar> I came home and there's a breakaway cat collar on my doorstep
22:13 < RangerZ1> lol
22:13 <@wilpig> like a flea collar?
22:13 <@Dagmar> I just left the owners a voicemail and put the collar in front of their door
22:13 <@Dagmar> No, mainly a black collar with little stars and moons on it and a pink heart tag with her name and address on it
22:14 <@Dagmar> The cat luuuuuuurves me
22:14 <@wilpig> what did you feed it?
22:14 <@Dagmar> When they let her out to go play she has a tendency to come straight to my door, and I'm like "But you are not my cat!"
22:14 < aestetix> holy fuck
22:14 <@Dagmar> Umm... just a little cat chow but that was weeks ago
22:14 <@Dagmar> I'm good with cats
22:14 < aestetix> I might get away with slipping a reference to Kerchoff's Principle into a public policy document
22:15 <@Dagmar> ...and Java is a ludicrously friendly cat
22:18 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I just shared a video with you on G+ and you will see what I mean by the cat is really chatty
22:20 <@wilpig> yeah I see that
22:20 <@wilpig> that's how mine are when they know someone
22:21 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing her collar was on _my_ doorsstep
22:21 <@Dagmar> It's like she deliberately left it behind to send me some kinda message
22:21 <@Dagmar> Like "I WAS HERE AND YOU WOULDN'T LET MEH IN"
22:22 <@Dagmar> She knows if she yells I'll come out and pet on her
22:22 < RangerZ1> lets just hope crazypants doens't follow that pattern
22:22 < RangerZ1> LOL
22:22 <@Dagmar> euw
22:22 <@wilpig> haha
22:22 <@wilpig> I can only imagine what she'd leave behind on your doorstep
22:22 <@Dagmar> I'll have to order some of that Sentry Calming Spray
22:22 < RangerZ1> probably some leaked out sand
22:23 <@Dagmar> Oh wow. Now that I see what that is I can see it won't work
22:23 <@Dagmar> Looks like i'm going to have to order some ether and an inflatable raft
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22:24 <@Dagmar> One of my friends has been using this on his cat and by the way he described it I thought it might be from the makers of Nap-Time(tm) http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Calming-Spray-Cats-1-Ounce/dp/B0093J9MF8
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22:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: I can't figure out how to use Google+
22:29 < aestetix> I tried to make a post, and it wouldn't let me do any formatting
22:29 < aestetix> or has it gotten that dumbed down?
22:29 < aestetix> By formatting I mean centering some tet
22:29 < aestetix> text
22:30 <@Dagmar> Centering is for bitches.
22:30 <@Dagmar> You can do *boldface* and _italics_ ASCII-style.
22:30 < aestetix> ...
22:30 < aestetix> so they dumbed it down
22:30 <@Dagmar> DUmbed it down from what?
22:31 <@Dagmar> It's never handled centering, and neither has Facebook for that matter
22:31 < aestetix> I'm comparing it to lj
22:31 < aestetix> Keep in mind I haven't used it since 2011
22:31 <@Dagmar> So, in other words, you want it to let people post uglytext.
22:31 <@wilpig> that's a silly comparison
22:31 < aestetix> No, I had a post with a thoughtful leading quote I wanted to use
22:32 < aestetix> And it seems I can't do that.
22:32 <@wilpig> vagina is not a thoughtful quote
22:32 < aestetix> hahaha
22:37 < RangerZ1> first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
22:37 <@Dagmar> You can put underscores around it and it will italicize fine.
22:38 <@Dagmar> ...or just post it as an image
22:38 < aestetix> Jesus.
22:38 < aestetix> Even wordpress is more usable than that.
22:38 < aestetix> wilpig: does tumblr allow you to center text?
22:38 < aestetix> I'm not asking for a fucking blink tag :p
22:38 <@wilpig> you can do just about anything you want on there
22:38 < RangerZ1> tumbler has both
22:39 < RangerZ1> and facebook doesn't want you posting text in a format they don't control
22:39 <@wilpig> you gotta be pretty smooth with css and whatnot though
22:39 < RangerZ1> geeze
22:39 < aestetix> Well
22:39 < aestetix> Facebook also has a length limit on posts
22:39 < aestetix> Does Google+ now? It didn't back in 2011
22:40 < aestetix> I mean I guess some asshole might abuse that by posting all the works of shakespeare into a single post
22:43 < aestetix> Of course my master plan is already broken because Wordpress's integration with twitter and google is broken
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23:08 <@sasquatc3> fucking discovery, all the shows this year are bullshit
23:09 <@wilpig> that's most cable channels isn't it?
23:10 < aestetix> My favorite channel is Pirate Bay
23:10 <@wilpig> that's a shitty channel
23:10 <@sasquatc3> well shark week used to have educational shit, or at least non made up shit
23:10 <@sasquatc3> now its all fake docu dramas loosely based on rumor
23:11 <@wilpig> so.... they're showing jaws?
23:11 < aestetix> Hunt for Sasquatch?
23:12 <@sasquatc3> like this show, hunting some giant hammerhead with supposed scientists, based on sightings that started in the 40s, but that mans t
23:13 <@sasquatc3> that means it would be 70
23:13 <@sasquatc3> so, bullshit
23:13 <@sasquatc3> i hope their not hunting squatch, i gotta hide
23:14 < aestetix> Ok so
23:14 < aestetix> I'm reading this article about Uber
23:14 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8165857
23:14 < aestetix> The issue with self driving cars and other robots is it destroys jobs and creates monopoly
23:14 < aestetix> My concern about this mostly goes away if we have a negative income tax
23:15 < RangerZ1> aestetix: not really
23:15 < RangerZ1> politics
23:15 <@Dagmar> Wait... self-driving cars destroy jobs?
23:15 < RangerZ1> yep
23:15 <@Dagmar> Who the fuck was supposed to be paying me?
23:15 < aestetix> Dagmar: absolutely
23:15 < RangerZ1> truck drivers
23:15 < RangerZ1> and taxi drivers
23:16 <@Dagmar> I drive myself every fucking day for free?
23:16 <@Dagmar> Oh I am pretty sure people will *not* be cool with a self-driving taxi for awhile
23:16 <@Dagmar> Normal taxis are unnerving enough
23:17 <@Dagmar> ...and let a few horror stories circulate about ersatz taxis that are really organ-harvesting operations.
23:17 < aestetix> Dagmar: all the people advocating for self driving taxis need to see Brazil
23:17 <@Dagmar> The last thing someone wants to think about is the doors auto-locking and the car driving them down a darkened alley in the marina district
23:18 <@Dagmar> People are going to be hard-pressed to trust their *own* self-driving vehicle
23:18 < aestetix> or how about when I get into a self-driving taxi, it takes my photo, does a lookup in the police database, discovers I have a warrant, and drives me right to the police station
23:18 <@Dagmar> Not going to happen
23:18 < aestetix> That's the non-scary version
23:19 <@Dagmar> For one, it would be _terrible_ for business
23:19 < aestetix> then again we already have idiots who basically let google maps drive them everywhere
23:19 <@Dagmar> For the other, we can't even get cops the ability to run a citizen check on someone who was just involved in a fatality accident without a licence
23:19 < RangerZ1> you're ignoring the profit possiblities
23:19 < RangerZ1> a company, like zipcar will have a self-driven car fleet, that you can rent
23:20 <@Dagmar> Oh yes, suing the taxi company because the robot taxi ran over your foot.
23:20 <@Dagmar> VEry lucrative
23:20 < aestetix> Let's say I'm a politician running in a heated race
23:20 < RangerZ1> every politican is going to rage against it at first
23:20 < RangerZ1> lol
23:20 < aestetix> I secretly pay off a self driving taxi service so that when my opponent takes one, the doors autolock and he winds up in mexico
23:21 <@Dagmar> Nah. They'll be for it, in direct proportion to who paid them to be for it
23:21 < RangerZ1> ohh... i just didn't mention....i suspect yellow cab/etc to pay the most
23:22 < RangerZ1> but where its going to have the biggest impact is NOT taxis, Its truck drivers
23:22 < aestetix> yup
23:22 <@Dagmar> We already have self-driving semis.
23:22 <@Dagmar> They're called "trains"
23:23 < RangerZ1> just think about walmart
23:23 < RangerZ1> if they could have automated trucks
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23:23 < RangerZ1> they would
23:23 <@Dagmar> Little tiny cars are one thing, but people will _not_ be cool with dodgy Microsoft Dryve software piloting a sixteen ton block of metal
23:23 < RangerZ1> fuck they are probably testing automated employees
23:23 <@Dagmar> Nope
23:23 < aestetix> RangerZ1: basically, Uber and Lyft are Mitt Romney's wet dream
23:23 <@Dagmar> Robots you have to repair
23:23 <@Dagmar> People you can just throw away.
23:23 < RangerZ1> pretty much
23:24 <@wilpig> automated cars and trucks aren't to be worried about. automated freight flights.... fuuuuuuuu
23:24 < dasunt> Y'know, as a cyclist, I'm all for automated cars.
23:24 < aestetix> wilpig: sponsored by Malaysian Airlines
23:24 <@wilpig> as a cyclist, I hate you
23:25 <@Dagmar> You are more likely to see dedicated freight tunnels before you see automated sixteen-wheelers
23:25 <@wilpig> that's not right. as for you being a cyclist*
23:25 < dasunt> I have more faith in software than I do in drivers.
23:25 <@Dagmar> dasunt: That's because you don't run Windows
23:25 < RangerZ1> I expect the trucks to be downsized to 10~16ft actually
23:25 < aestetix> So the thing is
23:25 < dasunt> Dagmar: But my workplace is a Windows shop.
23:25 < aestetix> Generally the purpose of moving freight is because you have people buying things
23:25 * RangerZ1 comforts dasunt
23:25 <@Dagmar> The thing is that also there' a pretty serious penalty for hijacking a trucker
23:25 < aestetix> But if you get rid of all their jobs, then they have no money to buy things with
23:26 <@Dagmar> A robot... simple theft. No realiable witnesses.
23:26 < aestetix> At which point the system collapses
23:26 <@Dagmar> You remember how people were all "I'LL SHOOT ME DOWN SOME DRONES" when the talk about Amazon drone delivery started, right?
23:26 < aestetix> Dagmar: and still are
23:27 <@Dagmar> Now imagine how well it's going to go over that small trucks laden with merch are rolling around with _no human_ inside them who might be packing a hidden Desert Eagle
23:27 <@Dagmar> ...cuz that's the other reason there's not a lot of truck hijackery
23:27 <@wilpig> hehe. just the idea of sitting outside the newegg warehouse up here to go drone hunting. hahaha
23:27 <@Dagmar> Motherfuckers roll packin
23:28 < aestetix> ok screw this
23:28 < aestetix> I'm playing Black Mesa again
23:28 <@Dagmar> On the new engine?
23:28 < RangerZ1> ohh there will still be 'people' in the trucks, but they will be the MUCH cheaper/easier to fire manual labor to load/unload the truck
23:28 < aestetix> yup
23:28 < aestetix> I think
23:28 <@Dagmar> Coool
23:28 < dasunt> Here's the thing with automated vehicles that I don't get - without the speeding, the trying-to-sneak-through-yellows, and the rolling stops, aren't people going to be pissed?
23:28 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: That is assume the truck makes it to the destination
23:29 < dasunt> Hell, just having an automated vehicle stop to yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk will probably have people think the AI is faulty.
23:30 <@Dagmar> Okay, normally the "X things which are Y and will make you say "Z!"" are sites I hate *but*...
23:30 < RangerZ1> no, you just record everything from every angle, and if a person jumps into the street, you blame the person
23:30 <@Dagmar> http://news.distractify.com/fun/scary-panoramas/?v=1
23:30 <@Dagmar> This is some fucked up shitznit
23:30 < dasunt> I already frequently see drivers honking at another driver trying to make a left because the oncoming traffic lane is clear and god-damn-who-needs-to-check-the-sidewalks-anyways?
23:30 < RangerZ1> I expect big companies to jump on the auto truck hard in the future, but it'll be 15+yrs I think for legal system to catch up
23:31 <@Dagmar> Seriously. That site. NIGHTMARE FUEL.
23:32 <@wilpig> those were funny
23:34 < dasunt> RangerZ1: I'd expect some sort of automated crossover for shipping containers - we're close to it anyways, with a shipping container being able to be shipped on boat, train or truck.
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23:34 < RangerZ1> wilpig: strategy RPG from some of the FF Tactics team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1qlMHePWKk
23:34 <@GateKeeper> Title: Natural Doctrine 4th Official Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:35 < RangerZ1> dasunt: they can already do that
23:35 < RangerZ1> there are trucks that can cary them
23:35 < RangerZ1> carry*
23:35 < dasunt> RangerZ1: Yep. I know. But I expect we should be able to automate most of that in the near future.
23:36 < RangerZ1> I've actually been looking into how to use shipping containers as a building material, and I've recently come up with the basis for a 1k sq.ft. house with solar that would be possible to expand the entire roof to solar and provide the house with all the power it needs
23:36 <@Dagmar> They need to quick fucking around get me FFTA on Android goddamn it
23:37 < RangerZ1> I have enough skill to make draftsman level blueprints, but I need an architect to go over it and finish the foundation/roofing, which will need to be done to match local codes
23:38 <@wilpig> RangerZ1: hasn't aht already been done?
23:38 < RangerZ1> yes, but I have some additional ideas on how to make it 'cheap'
23:38 <@wilpig> those containers even used aren't cheap
23:39 < RangerZ1> yes they are
23:39 <@wilpig> they look like ass but are built pretty sturdy
23:39 < RangerZ1> but they were experimenting with different designs, etc
23:39 < RangerZ1> 2.5~4k each
23:39 < RangerZ1> they almost give the fuckers away
23:39 < RangerZ1> b/c they have millions of them extra out in oakland and near ports
23:40 <@wilpig> bleh. time to sleep
23:40 < RangerZ1> same actually
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23:41 <@wilpig> might play a few minutes of bravely default first. trying to level up a pirate and something else now
23:41 <@wilpig> oh the vampire and a dark knight
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