--- Log opened Fri Aug 08 00:00:13 2014
00:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: is that PHP a sanity test? "if you are sane, you know this is insane"
00:50 < aestetix_> http://people.mozilla.org/~mverdi/lightspeed/lightspeed-standalone.pdf
00:50 < aestetix_> this is an advertisers wet dream
00:52 < aestetix_> well, maybe
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: that looks like they are just combining chrome with iGoogle
00:53 < aestetix_> yeah
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> you know... I realized the other day, that i _really_ miss my iGoogle setup, which had all my RSS feeds on it, and other stuff
00:54 < aestetix_> I really don't like the inability to change any settings
00:54 < aestetix_> It reminds me of the MSN browser
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're chattle, you don't need settings
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> geeze
00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah, all this takes is a 'I've realized how to get past lightspeed's attack/forgery filter' and then you just get nothing but people not realizing they should think for themselves
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I understand where they are coming from, basically the exact chrome concept, of not supporting 'real' plugins, and taking it even further
01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I couldn't imagine having to support firefox's plugin support/etc, that monstrosity would be painful
01:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHjhvDn01w holy fuck
01:31 <@GateKeeper> Title: Man Murders Squirrel By Luring Then Kicking It Off The Grand Canyon - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> someone needs to drop kick him off the cliff
01:42 < aestetix_> haha
01:42 < aestetix_> that's kind of funny
01:42 < aestetix_> was the man named Boris?
01:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1679699735/vocca-turn-any-simple-light-bulb-into-a-voice-acti holy... hell... I almost just want to give them money for the creativity to use the song from Aladdin
01:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vocca -Turn any simple light bulb into a voice activated one by Ori Indursky Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
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04:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> god... I'd forgotten how good Scott Pilgram vs the world is
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06:22 < aestetix_> ugh
06:22 < aestetix_> fuck you disk swapping
07:41 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:41 <@Dagmar> It's a good thing I'm on an unlimited data plan with Sprint
09:41 <@Dagmar> Their accounting sucks a festering donkey dick
09:51 <@Dagmar> "We just need 'donor' application installed on server trigger" <-- proof that proper spelling doesn't mean one can actually speak English.  :/
09:51 <@Dagmar> They keep repeating this phrase without realizing it is meaningless.
09:53 <@Corydon76-home> Any idea what the hell they mean?  That's just gobblygook
09:54 <@Corydon76-home> Unless 'trigger' is the name of a server
10:13 <@Dagmar> Does anyone know about the legalities of putting a resume on job seeker sites with a career path of 'telemarketer inhumator'?
10:13 <@Dagmar> Because I am seriously contemplating doing this very thing.
10:15 <@Dagmar> "Freelance Telemarketer Liquidation Specialist"
10:15 <@Dagmar> Sounds like a very important job title.
10:17 <@Dagmar> "Presently I am offering my services for free as a way to 'prime the pump' so to speak, but I think the level of efficiency and discretion I bring to the job is worth almost any amount of renumeration."
10:18 <@Dagmar> "My former clients are generally unable to speak on my behalf, due to the nature of the work performed."
10:18 <@Dagmar> I just got another call from those Academic Advisor people, and I'm going to make them Internet Fucking Superstars
10:19 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Where is this idiotic talk of "girls only rooms" and other nonsense taking place?
10:21 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: at meetings you refuse to attend
10:22 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Never fear.  It's only in the mind of Miss Crazypants
10:23 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: The latest book features a bunch of pampered quants who are turned into vampires because of a side effect of exposure to a particular branch of advanced mathematics--complete with reasonably acceptable scientific explanations.  You NEED to read these books.
10:24 <@Dagmar> Ranger: They work as a fucking _scrum_.
10:24 <@Dagmar> Up to and including standing meetings, retrospectives, and all the other buzzword insanity that goes with it.
10:25 <@Dagmar> User stories for christ's sake
10:25 <@oddball> Wait... there's still talk of that truly stupid idea?
10:27 <@Dagmar> No, I think Bah just got wind of it
10:27 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: I'm pretty sure that she's past the age at which point she can no longer be considered Miss Crazpants and is now Ms. Crazypants.  It's roughly the same age at which it can easily be predicted with a high level of certainty that she will end up on the list of local crazy cat ladies.
10:27 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: No.
10:27 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: actually, I think of it as quite useful when applied to developers, for whom it was created.
10:27 <@oddball> Ah... ok.  I was fairly certain we killed that shit at the meeting.
10:28 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: For one thing, "Ms." is a term to be used when a woman wants to leave the issue of her attachment to a male unaddressed.
10:28 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: A women's only "safe room?"
10:28 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: I am pretty fucking sure no one's going to believe she's attached.
10:28 <@Corydon76-home> Wait, are we talking about scrum or girls-only rooms?
10:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah, you remember my rather casual response to that
10:28 <@Dolemite> Traditionally Miss was for girls under 18
10:29 <@Dagmar> Female children and _unattached_ women
10:29 <@oddball> Right.
10:29 <@Dolemite> It can go either way these days, but I'm an old fart
10:29 <@Corydon76-home> I'm pretty sure Ms. is simply an abbreviation for Miss, same as Mr. is an abbreviation for Mister
10:29 <@oddball> Miss was for un-married women/girls, Mrs. for married women.
10:29 <@Dagmar> My relatives include the Overby's of Maury County
10:30 <@Dagmar> They're the "rich Brentwood types" of the redneck world
10:30 <@Dolemite> While not authoritative, this is a good overview of it -> http://www.diffen.com/difference/Miss_vs_Ms
10:30 <@GateKeeper> Title: Miss vs Ms - Difference and Comparison | Diffen (at www.diffen.com)
10:31 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: Oh look.  It confirms _exactly_ what we've been telling you
10:31 <@Dolemite> No it doesn't.  It states both cases if you actually read versus skim the article.
10:31 <@oddball> And I've heard old crotchity types actually ramble on about their hatred of the term missus.
10:31 <@Dagmar> What little contact I had with the Overby's, was rather like the relationship of of a jungle savage to the Imperial British Socialite Woman
10:32 <@Dolemite> It's very much akin to the use of the title "Master" for males under 18, and "Mister" for those over 18.
10:32 <@Dagmar> They did nothing but try to "civilize" me, at like age 6.
10:32 <@Dagmar> I had the whole titles thing drilled into me in detail
10:33 <@Dagmar> Ther'es no point in her even trying to use Ms.
10:33 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: they were clearly unsuccessful
10:33 <@Dagmar> Five minutes will let you know, there is *no* significant other in her life.
10:33 <@Dolemite> Anyway, Crazypants doesn't really deserve this much mindshare at this point, whether she's Miss or Ms.
10:34 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: half the shit we discuss in this channel doesn't deserve much, if any, mindshare.
10:34 <@oddball> OH, I'm going to assume that she would insist on Ms. due to it not being dependent on whether she's attached or not.
10:34 <@Corydon76-home> This is truly the discussion medium of "people too lazy to meet in person and discuss things rationally"
10:34 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: Point taken.  However, she's even less worthy than most subjects.
10:35 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Wait... people do that? :p
10:35 <@Corydon76-home> and yes, I include myself as being a lazy sonofabitch
10:37 <@Dagmar> "Ms. originated as an alternative to Miss or Mrs. to avoid referring to the marital status of women." <-- even
10:39 <@Dagmar> but seriously
10:39 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
10:39 <@shapr> yeehaa!
10:39 <@Dagmar> If I start billing myself as a freelance murderer of telemarketers, how long do you think I'll continue to get these twats calling me?
10:39 <@shapr> wassup mah homies?
10:40 <@Corydon76-home> BTW, I truly enjoyed the results of yesterday's elections
10:40 <@Corydon76-home> Where a bunch of Kansas carpetbaggers tried to take out the TN Supreme Court and failed
10:41 <@Dolemite> I'm sad that my vote for Coonrippy wasn't enough to vault him into the lead
10:42 <@Dolemite> But I did vote against Campfield.  I did my duty.
10:42 <@Dagmar> Now that the enemy has chosen it's avatar, we can get down to the business of shitting in people's eyes with a recounting of the moral bankruptcy that has been their past terms in office.
10:42 <@Corydon76-home> Did Campfield lose?
10:42 <@Dagmar> Lamar == PRO RAPE
10:42 <@Dolemite> Yes
10:42 <@Corydon76-home> Awesome
10:42 <@Dagmar> Haslam == STEALING EVERYTHING
10:42 <@Dolemite> Richard Briggs beat him in a landslide
10:42 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: Do you honestly believe that my being at a meeting is going to end well?
10:43 <@Corydon76-home> I hope Briggs is actually rational, even if he's a Republican
10:43 <@Bahhumbug> And where the fuck are the minutes from last week?
10:43 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: crazypants has them.  You are more than welcome to email her and ask for them
10:43 <@Dolemite> Well all I know is that from his time as a Knox Co. Commissioner he's definitely not outspoken in his dumbassery.
10:43 <@oddball> And people still voted for Basil Marceaux.  It's shit like that that makes me glad we're a representative democracy instead of a straight democracy.
10:44 <@Dagmar> I'd take him just for a change of grip
10:44 <@Bahhumbug> Why should one have to ask for minutes when they should be on the fucking mailing list?
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> This isn't rocket science.
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> Nor even the least bit complicated.
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> You take minutes.
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> You post mioutes.
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> Done.
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: You want them.  She has them.
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> Pretty simple, actually.
10:45 <@Dagmar> Because she's good for making a stink about bullet points being missed, not actually meeting bullet point requirements.
10:45 <@Bahhumbug> And you're missing the point.  Good job.
10:45  * shapr fires a bullet point
10:45 <@Corydon76-home> I don't have them.  Asking me for them won't produce them.
10:45 <@oddball> Dagmar: This is the guy that is litterally metally disabled.  I think he has Down's Syndrome.
10:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: I know
10:46 <@Corydon76-home> In fact, belaboring the pont amongst people who do not have them, will also not produce them.
10:46 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'll take a man too thick to get up to shenanigans over the guys who I *know* will get up to shenanigans
10:46 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: You want them, send a message to the list asking where the hell they are.
10:46 <@Corydon76-home> The only way to produce the minutes is to ask the person who has them.  You know who that is.  Go ahead and ask.
10:47 <@Dagmar> oddball: Haslam has done almost *nothing* but pillage the assets of Tennessee and Davidson County for the enrichment of his cronies since he was elected
10:47 <@oddball> Oh, I have no love for Haslam.
10:47 <@Dagmar> He's a fucking criminal.
10:47 <@Bahhumbug> The fact that more than one person doesn't get the whole point of this is actually kinda sad.
10:48 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I get the point.  I'm just perfectly willing to let you deal with the psychopathic bitch
10:48 <@Corydon76-home> We know the point of this.  You're an old codger who is spending the twilight of his life bellyaching about everything.  Good job.
10:48 <@Bahhumbug> You aren't one of the two I was referring to.
10:48 <@oddball> No.  We want you to send to the list.  We want as many people as possible telling Fearless Leader that Crazy Pants is worse than useless.
10:48 <@Dagmar> She's the one who wanted to bitch about things not being done but the moment she's actually responsible for something... pff
10:48 <@Dolemite> I just posted into the Google Group asking about minutes.  Hopefully I will get a reply.
10:49 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: you actually bothered joining the Google Group?
10:49 <@Dolemite> I created the Google Group back when I ran PhreakNIC, and had left it for dead.  Dru found it and wanted to use it, so I gave him admin rights to it.
10:49 <@Dagmar> oddball: The calm and casual way I suggested there _would_ be a Men Only room if there was a Women Only room, and the conditional rider I put on it, should have been a warning sign that I intend to make that woman stroke out
10:49 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, okay.  That makes more sense
10:50 <@Dagmar> Because I *will* open an unofficial Mens Only room, and there *will* be a stripper in it, if Crazypants wants to push this
10:50 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: instead, you earned the wrath of Peaches, who is now conspiring to send you bouquets of poison ivy
10:50 <@Dagmar> Peaches can get over it
10:50 <@Dagmar> It's not going to do us any good to have people hiding
10:50 <@Dagmar> We'll handle this shit the proper southern way
10:51 <@Dagmar> If someone's being enough of a problem to be threatning some else's welfare, there will be an ass whuppin'.
10:51 <@Corydon76-home> Peaches has a known mental illness, and he has put you in his crosshairs for sending him into a downward tailspin
10:51 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: +1
10:51 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: And I think Peaches needs to sit down and take a look at whether or not he's being upset for the right reasons
10:51 <@Dolemite> I think that whoever asked the question about a genital check vs. self identifying females pretty much made the biggest statement to put her in her place
10:52 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: you're approaching this rationally.  He has a mental illness.  Rationality has no effect here.
10:52 <@oddball> And yes.  The perfect way to tell women that PN is a good thing for them to attend is to set up a "safe place" for them to run to... because we apparently expect women to need a safe place to run to.
10:52 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Either way, I ain't worryin' about it.  If he takes a swing at me, I'll make it a talking point for him.
10:52 <@Dolemite> oddball:  +2
10:53 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: He simply doesn't need to let what's bothering him continue to bother him anymore
10:53 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: THe dude just ain' as helpless as he seems to think he is
10:53 <@oddball> easier said than done.
10:53 <@Corydon76-home> Again, mental illness.
10:53 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: If he has to take a poke at me to learn that, I'm actually hardcore like that
10:53 <@Bahhumbug> Just eat more drugs.
10:53 <@Dolemite> oddball: By the way, did you see in scrollback that we have set a date and location for GeekNIC 2015?
10:53 <@oddball> I did not.
10:54 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: you _do_ know that Peaches is legally disabled, because he cannot do what you're suggesting, right?
10:54 <@Dolemite> Wilpig will get the web page updated probably this weekend, but it's March 20-22, 2015 at the River Terrace Hotel & Confernce Center (next to Ripley's Aquarium)
10:55 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I find this rather difficult to believe true of any primate-decended creature
10:55 <@Dagmar> Hitting is one of the things we "do"
10:55 <@Dagmar> ...along with flinging poo.
10:55 <@oddball> Dolemite: Cool.  I think that hotel will work much better.
10:56 <@Dagmar> Thankfully, that's been mostly sublimated with cream pies.
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10:56 <@Dolemite> oddball: Yeah, that's where we went the first year.  The last one was one of those cases of trying something and then learning from the experience.
10:56 <@oddball> The other one was nice, but it was 1. expensive for the area, and 2. check out was at fucking 10am.
10:57 <@Dagmar> Jesus christ
10:57 <@Dagmar> GOogle's going to get me into trouble
10:57 <@Corydon76-home> and 3.  miles from anywhere else, so you either had to use their stuff (and the food was truly awful) or spend money for parking to be where there was other stuff
10:57 <@oddball> right
10:57 <@Dagmar> Google Now just sounded off to tell me it would take me 11 minutes to get to Senator Stacey Campfield
10:57 <@Dagmar> o.O
10:57 <@Dolemite> rofl
10:58 <@Corydon76-home> The water park on Sunday afternoon was delightful, but I don't know if that makes up for awful food
10:58 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-home: Agreed.  It seemed like it was worth trying, but like I said, it's something we learned from.
10:58 <@Dolemite> Well there's a free shuttle from the River Terrace to the Westgate if anybody wants to visit the water park, again
10:58 <@Dolemite> They are owned by the same company
10:58 <@Dagmar> Damnit where did the "I don't care about this" option go
10:58 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: given that Campfield has another 4 months in office, I think we all know what Google is trying to arrange
10:59 <@Dolemite> But the rooms along the river were great, the wifi was much more stable at the River Terrace, and the location was pretty much impossible to beat.
10:59 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: ...and I generally support that goal, however, I would rather it be a complete suprise if I'm involved in such a thing.
11:00 <@Dagmar> ...not a matter of my phone repeatedly making suggestions at me
11:00 <@Dolemite> The reason we tried the other location last time is that when I was trying to determine where to go, the River Terrace showed limited availability.
11:00 <@oddball> Yeah.  The times that Naienko and I have gone down to Gatlinburg, we've stayed in the hotel on the other side of the aquarium.
11:00 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I think we just found your defense.  "Your Honor, my phone told me to shoot him."
11:00 <@Dagmar> Going after politicians in person is not my thing
11:00 <@Dolemite> Greystone?
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11:00 <@shapr> HI KLIXA
11:00 <@shapr> HOW YOU DOIN?
11:01  * shapr hops cheerfully
11:01 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: That might make for a successful insanity plea.
11:01 <@Dagmar> ...unless of course it's time to humiliate them, and I just don't give that much of a damn about Campfield
11:01 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: precisely
11:01 <@Dagmar> He's useless but he hasn't been up to enough shens to really catch my eye, so to speak
11:01 <@Dagmar> The worst I can say is that every time I look at him I think "Wasn't this guy popped for kiddie porn awhile back?"
11:02 <@oddball> Oh... in happier news, I've tried that peach pie recipe I found and I think the folks at PN will approve as much as they liked my apple pie.
11:02 <@Dolemite> There will be folks at PN?
11:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: Blizzard has noted the craft/homebrew crowd
11:03 <@Dolemite> o.O
11:03 <@Dagmar> oddball: One of the new drinks at the Darkmoon Faire is a "P.I.E."
11:03 <@oddball> heh
11:03 <@Dagmar> Like a schnozzberry P.I.E. or something like that.  Can't remember the fruit but the sentiment is there
11:04  * oddball wishes it was legal to distill your own alcohol so he could try doing it the proper way.
11:04 <@klixa> hey shapr , im... on teh verge of a cold i think... but i made a ginger smoothie
11:05 <@Dolemite> oddball: Isn't there a pending bill to allow that?
11:05 <@oddball> Damnit... that reminds me... I meant to try making a ginger liquor for Dragoncon.
11:05 <@oddball> Dolemite: Not that I'm a aware of.
11:06 <@klixa> ginger liquor seems like it woudl intense
11:06 <@klixa> liquer...neither of us can smell...li---alcohol stuffs
11:07 <@klixa> liqueur
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11:08 <@oddball> Well, there's a brand of ginger liquor that I really like (Stirrings), but I apparently have to drive across town to get the stuff.  There's another brand that a lot of places carry, but 1. it's twice as expensive, and 2. it sucks (very sweet, very little actual ginger flavor).
11:10 <@oddball> Dolemite: I was able to find references to one introduced in 2001 that died in committee.
11:10 <@Dolemite> Yeah, same here
11:10 <@klixa> i wish there was a drug that made you feel good but had no side affects
11:11 <@Dolemite> ok, time to head to lunch.  I'm thinkin' Five Guys is in order.
11:11 <@klixa> ugh
11:11 <@klixa> NO
11:11 <@klixa> in and out
11:11 <@klixa> :P
11:11 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: Yep, it's called a placebo
11:11 <@oddball> klixa: And some how you got the song "I want a new drug" stuck in my head.
11:11 <@Corydon76-home> The effects are AMAZING
11:12 <@klixa> love is teh drug
11:12 <@klixa> that stuff is amazing
11:12 <@klixa> but you cant flal in love at will... :/
11:12 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Weird Al.  I Want a New Duck
11:12 <@klixa> oddball: everytime i see you i think about kilts
11:12 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: that's what roofies are for
11:13 <@klixa> if thats how you think you find love, you're doing it wrong
11:15 <@oddball> klixa: annnnnd now this is stuck in my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRmTKuEAG4
11:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Sucker Punch-Love is the drug HD (extended version) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:17 <@shapr> klixa: ooh, I want a ginger smoothie!
11:17 <@Corydon76-home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOL2q8leiLw
11:17 <@shapr> I love ginger beer.
11:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Weird Al Yankovic - I want a new duck - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:18 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: I love that, after seeing a few reviewers asking if Weird Al was still relevant, his latest albulm hit #1... which was a first for him.
11:19 <@Corydon76-home> Did you see the petition to the NFL to have Weird Al do the halftime show?
11:19 <@oddball> yep
11:19 <@Corydon76-home> and yes, I signed that almost immediately
11:20 <@Bahhumbug> Yay.  Make the bowl even more irrelevant with crappy artists :/
11:21 <@Bahhumbug> How about we ditch the idiotic halftime and go back to playing football?
11:21 <@Corydon76-home> Weird Al's been producing albums for 5 decades, now.  What have you done with your life?
11:21 <@klixa> shapr: ginger+1/2tsp cinnamon, 1/2 tsp turmeric, 1 frozen banana+ 1 cup apple juice
11:21 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect quite a bit more than you.
11:22 <@Bahhumbug> As far as him?  He's a copycat.
11:22 <@Bahhumbug> Let me know when he puts out something original and good.
11:22 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks.
11:22 <@Corydon76-home> Thanks for reminding us how much of an old, irrelevant codger you are
11:23 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not sure why you're acting like such a major asshole to me today, but have fun with that.
11:23 <@Bahhumbug> plink
11:24 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
11:24 <@GateKeeper> Title: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Dare To Be Stupid - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:24 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: "Craigslist" is quite good, too
11:25 <@oddball> Yep.  Some of my favorite songs of his are originals.
11:25 <@oddball> Those are The Good Old Days, One More Minute...
11:25 <@Corydon76-home> Given that he got one of the Doors' founding members to play the keyboard on that, that speaks to respect in the music industry
11:26 <@oddball> Oh yeah.  Many of the bands have taken him wanting to do a parody of their song as a sign that they've arrived.
11:27 <@Corydon76-home> Hadn't seen the video before today, just heard the music:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4sALru9IJk
11:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Craigslist - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:31 <@oddball> You've seen the video for "Mission Statement," right?
11:31 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
11:33 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: So... in other words, he's done a good amount of original music that is quite good. :p
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> If you say so.
11:34 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: He's just a complainer, not a contributor
11:36 <@Corydon76-home> Everybody else who complains about the working of PN actually has contributed, now or in the past, take the time to show up at meetings, etc.  As far as I can tell Bahhumbug likes heaping on the criticism, but hasn't lifted a finger to help, and that's not helpful
11:38 <@Corydon76-home> If I'm wrong in my criticism, please tell me, but that's my current view.
11:40 <@Corydon76-home> If he was SkyDog, trying to foment discord in the channel, could any of us really tell the difference?
11:42 <@wilpig> actually I can't show up at the meetings and anything I had to say was outright ignored despite my wanting to stay involved after having moved
11:44 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: I'm saying you've contributed in the past (hell, run the damn thing), and thus, you have standing to criticize
11:44 <@wilpig> officially i've never run shit
11:45 <@shapr> klixa: how much ginger?
11:45 <@Corydon76-home> Has Bahhumbug ever run anything at PhreakNIC, officially or unofficially?
11:45  * shapr looks suspiciously at EnabrinTain 
11:46 <@wilpig> no but I would let him.  he has his head on straight and falls under the curmudgeon category firmly where he should be
11:47 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: I would let a lot of people I know do that, who actually bother to show up
11:48 <@Corydon76-home> Hell, I'd hand over the entire organization over to the Huntsville Makers
11:48 <@shapr> wat?
11:48 <@shapr> please no!
11:48 <@shapr> We're just recovering from the last pile of bullshit.
11:48 <@wilpig> shapr: shhhh just hop and nod your head
11:49 <@shapr> fuck no, I can see a train wreck before anyone has boarded
11:49 <@shapr> Though I admit, the HSV makers do like PN
11:49 <@wilpig> s/do/did/
11:49 <@shapr> heh, could be
11:50 <@shapr> I'd probably end up doing organizing since I've organized several conferences.
11:50 <@wilpig> if anyone is interested.  this has been added to that place wehre I put things.  Garfunkel and Oates - S01E01 - The Fadeaway
11:52 <@klixa> shapr: a chunk about the size of a quarter but 3x as thick is how much i used
11:53 <@Corydon76-home> shapr: the last pile of bullshit?
11:54 <@shapr> We had a particularly large pile of makerspace drama
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck you and your fomenting discord.
11:54 <@wilpig> just throw a tarp over that shit
11:55 <@shapr> fauxment
11:55  * shapr fauments discord
11:55 <@shapr> Hey, my last name is ERISson, I'm sposed to fauxment discord!
11:55 <@shapr> HAIL ERIS!
11:55  * shapr hops randomly
11:56 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: show up and contribute, and you get points for effort
11:56  * wilpig gives Bahhumbug a gold star
11:57 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck you and your points for effort, as well.
11:57 <@Corydon76-home> No, I think the point is, fuck you and your continuous whining.
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck you.
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> Do you see the pattern here?
11:58 <@shapr> profanity?
11:58  * shapr throws profane sparkles
11:58 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home, Bahhumbug: http://www.ownzee.com/attachments/2012/08/pic6/5036b937-1644-49da-bc34-2b7fcdbab12d.jpg
11:59 <@shapr> Anyone done anything with magnetic gears?
11:59 <@shapr> I have one of my many crazy research projects...
11:59 <@shapr> In other subjects, anyone done any formal geometric proofs with an automated proof assistant?
11:59 <@wilpig> that sounds like learning and math
11:59 <@shapr> well, yeah... could be.
11:59 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
11:59 <@wilpig> you take that shit right on back out where you got it from
12:00 <@shapr> I *like* learning and math!
12:00 <@shapr> Also, my unicycle needs an afforable geared hub, and magnetic gears is the way to go.
12:00 <@wilpig> Bahhumbug: you gotta read it in mike tyson's voice
12:00 <@shapr> And I want to make proofs for all the cool stuff I'm reading in Coxeter's Introduction to Geometry.
12:00 <@Bahhumbug> You are not too far away to be incinerated, wilpig.
12:00 <@wilpig> hahaha
12:11 <@EnabrinTain> shapr: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
12:13  * EnabrinTain has reserved a room for PN and is hunting around for the pancake griddle
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> EnabrinTain: are you referring to the griddle that we purchased for PN 14 or thereabouts?
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> That particular griddle is in PhreakNIC storage
12:23 <@EnabrinTain> Maybe? I thought brimstone had gotten an auxiliary griddle
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> It's certainly possible.  We haven't used our griddle for the last 2 years, and it's unlikely we'll use it this year, either, due to the hotel serving breakfast
12:25 <@EnabrinTain> Heh Okies
12:26 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, my invite to google domains came through finally.
12:28 <@Bahhumbug> Not competively priced at all.
12:28 <@Bahhumbug> No multi-year discounts.
12:28 <@Bahhumbug> Meh.
12:29 <@wilpig> what's their pricing looking like?
12:30 <@Bahhumbug> $12 USD per year.
12:30 <@wilpig> that isn't bad
12:31 <@Bahhumbug> (Based on .com, I didn't care about the others.  Some of the other tld's might be cheaper in comparison to godaddy or elsewhere, I don't price such normally so am not sure)
12:31 <@wilpig> I generally pay $10 a year through netsol
12:31 <@Bahhumbug> $4+ more expensive than godaddy for one-shots.
12:31 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, people still use web.com, err, netsol?
12:32 <@wilpig> I despise godaddy
12:32 <@wilpig> I appreciate that netsol will take anyone's money to renew a domain even if they don't own
12:32 <@wilpig> it
12:32 <@Bahhumbug> You can do the same at godaddy if you call it in.
12:32 <@wilpig> so say you're part of a group and can't get the guy that is in control of the domains to fucking pay for them
12:32 <@wilpig> you cannot
12:32 <@wilpig> try it
12:32 <@wilpig> we did
12:33 <@Bahhumbug> I have in the past 2 years.  Perhaps it's changed or I got through to someone that was happy to take my CC and renew it.
12:33 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, sorry.  3 years.
12:34 <@Bahhumbug> You know, it may have been 4 years now.  It was one of the netrek secondary domains and trek's been dead for ~ 4 years now.
12:34 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, I'm old.  My memory's shot.
12:35 <@wilpig> I took over the se2600 domains a few years back after the godaddy debacle
12:35 <@Corydon76-home> I've been using gandi.net for a long time.  Their extra (free) services make it worth it.
12:38 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: I got curious and I checked.  Domain in question was renewed via phone in mid-2009.  The domain was not associated with my godaddy account nor was I listed as any POC for the domain.  The girl I spoke to, Jill, renewed it after a few minutes of convincing on my part.  No idea what her job title was there, might have been able to make such decisions on her own or I got lucky or something.
12:39 <@Bahhumbug> Knowing godaddy I suspect I got lucky.
12:40 <@wilpig> i'm gonna bank down on you got lucky too
12:40 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed.  Seems the smart play.
12:40 <@Bahhumbug> She's no longer there, either - mail just bounced :)
12:40 <@Bahhumbug> I will never use netsol again after they dropped our domain at cafes.net for 36+ hours.
12:45 <@wilpig> yahoo's HR has fully set in here
12:46 <@wilpig> they are currently discussing diversity in hiring
12:46 <@wilpig> they are focusing on hiring more diversity and not focusing on the best candidates anymore
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12:47 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, part of the reason for diversity is making sure that some of the best candidates aren't excluded from the culture
12:47 <@Corydon76-home> If they're just hiring quotas, however, I agree with you
12:47 <@wilpig> they're pushing "we only have 33% of our employees here are female, that number has to go up immediately"
12:48 <@wilpig> 89% of our managers are white.  that number has to go down, immediately
12:48 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, that's quotas, and it's bullshit
12:49 <@wilpig> I have no problem with diversity and whatnot.  but I fully believe in hiring the best person for the job.
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> Pseudo-diversity, diversity for the sake of diversity, instead of diversity for the sake of making sure more good candidates feel welcome
12:49 <@Bahhumbug> Too bad the current fucked up culture doesn't agree with that any longer.
12:50 <@Corydon76-home> That's not culture that demands it.  It's dime-a-dozen MBAs who do not truly understand the value of diversity
12:51 <@Bahhumbug> No, it's the loudmouthed idiots that are crying about it that are demanding it; the MBAs are just going along for the ride.
12:51 <@wilpig> movie choices for this week suck
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> and what they REALLY don't understand is that if it's raw numbers that anybody cares about, that can be done without having expensive MBAs on staff.  It can be done by a computer.
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14:24 <@Dagmar> wilpig: You've already seen The Johanssen Girl Kicks Many Asses and Marvel Fanservice Of The Galaxy?
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...and personally, I'm about sick of hearing about the gender gap
14:25 <@Dagmar> Every time it comes up, when I push, the person making the claims about a glass ceiling has *not even bothered* to look at the proportions of applicants for the job.
14:26 <@Dagmar> They're content to simply deploy blame at some people who really aren't even _allowed_ to defend themselves, and that's some *bullshit*
14:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: that doesn't explain why Congress critters are so averse to Lily Ledbetter
14:27 <@Dagmar> Maybe if they took into consideration that the minorities are underrepresented because _they're actually not applying for the jobs in the first place_ then perhaps we can address the _cultural reasons_ that are why they're not applying for the nerd jobs
14:27 <@Corydon76-home> If it's not actually a problem, then that law won't do anything
14:27 <@Dagmar> WHo's Lily Ledbetter?
14:27 <@Dagmar> I see now
14:28 <@Dagmar> I think it's _lazy_ to simply say "It must be because she's a woman"
14:28 <@Corydon76-home> A woman who took a losing case to the Supreme Court, who sued her employer when she learned that she was being made much less for doing exactly the same job as her male coworkers
14:28 <@Dagmar> You could say the same thing about Indians
14:28 <@Dagmar> "Oh they're underpaid because they're non-white"
14:28 <@Dagmar> The answer to that is "FUCK YOU"
14:28 <@Corydon76-home> SCOTUS ruled she had from the time she was actually discriminated against to file the lawsuit, instead of when she learned they were fucking her over
14:29 <@Dagmar> Culturally, Indians are goddamn pathological about _never rocking the boat_
14:29 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: uh, yeah, because when their ancestors did, they got fucking slaughtered
14:29 <@Corydon76-home> And not just figuratively slaughtered, either
14:30 <@Dagmar> If you had a room with ten indians in it and you were explaining the fine points about holding the handle on the grenade after you've pulled the pin, but you instead used a highly technical term for the handle, and then told them to pull the pin on the grenades, nine out of ten people would fucking explode five seconds later rather than risk asking what the "exothermic emissions dampener" is.
14:30 <@Dagmar> Nine out of ten if not all of them
14:30 <@Dagmar> These are not people who ask for raises
14:31 <@Dagmar> Troy and I have both been practically at the jumping up and down phase about getting the indian girls in iDev to tell us when they don't understand something
14:31 <@Dagmar> 'cuz they're totally able to sit through an hour long meeting, understanding nothing, and just doing a nod & smile the whole time
14:32 <@Dagmar> I love 'em to death because they're really sweet girls, but it's really infuriating when they don't know something necessary to the explanation you're giving and they won't even consider making you change your flow to explain it
14:33 <@Corydon76-home> Are we talking about native Americans or people from sub-Asia?
14:33 <@Dagmar> WHen they *do* know about all the pieces involved, they're just as capable and qualified as anyone else
14:33 <@Dagmar> sub-Asia
14:34 <@Dagmar> Some of their problems have been as simple as "The SSL query doesn't work because you didn't populate the local keystore"
14:34 <@Dagmar> Confusion reigned for a while longer because they wouldn't say they didn't know what the local keystore was
14:35 <@Dagmar> Totally easy to get them up to speed once we got that out of the way
14:35 <@Dagmar> I had to find this out by seeing the same problem reported again, and then inquire directly as to what steps they took to populate the keystore
14:35 <@Dagmar> Like, seriously pathological about not rocking the boat
14:35 <@Corydon76-home> Probably more related to caste than culture, then
14:36 <@Dagmar> Well, they're one and the same as far as I care
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> People from the upper castes would be more likely to ask that question
14:36 <@Dagmar> Like most people in the South, if they're given an option of an easy way and a fight, there's _going_ to be a fight.
14:36 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: I've not met any of those working in IT yet
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> In India, you don't date outside of your caste.  There's not even an "or else" there.  They just don't do it.
14:37 <@Dagmar> I'm aware
14:38 <@Corydon76-home> They will ask people within their caste if they don't understand something.
14:39 <@Dagmar> Right so just the same what they *should* be doing is asking the geeks trying to explain it to them already
14:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: I've found its the other way around
14:40 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Seriously, man.  A _scrum_ of vampires.
14:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> that people in the lower castes find it easier to ask questions, and that those from the priest caste (or w/e its called) are the ones who are afraid to look stupid by asking a question
14:40 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Using Agile methodology to analyse and resolve their current problemset
14:41 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ|Laptop: interesting
14:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> Corydon76-home: legally the caste system has been abolished, so thats not 'quite' as true anymore, in the big cities
14:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> but non-big city, very much true
14:41 <@Corydon76-home> Heh, legally
14:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> look at the case of the girl getting gang raped and killed, in the farm region, no one really cared
14:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> whereas the girl that got gang raped and killed in the city, caused fucking riots for days/weeks
14:42 <@Corydon76-home> Somehow, I doubt that's much comfort for the girl getting gangraped
14:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> probably not
14:45 <@Dagmar> Case in point
14:45 <@Dagmar> This guy I'm working with right now
14:45 <@Dagmar> ...who I would like to throw from the roof.
14:45 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
14:45 <@Dagmar> He reported a problem with one URL and HAS BEEN TESTING ANOTHER GODDAMN SEVRER ENTIRELY
14:45 <@Dagmar> *headdesk*
14:46 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have a cigarette now
14:46 <@Dagmar> ...and possibly a cry.
14:46 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: even seasoned admins have done that occasionally
14:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> lets just say that my "omg, wtf is wrong with you... how can you be that unprofessional, " was an Indian, and He's one of the priest class, that refuses to admit he doesn't understand something, to the point that I've gotten to the point where I make him explain to me what he thinks he has to do
14:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> you know what... screw this... I'm going home for the weekend, I don't need to be here, lol... I'm just going to code from home anyways :(
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15:15 <@Dagmar> I never say things like "That is so unprofessional".
15:15 <@Dagmar> I am _strictly_ results-focused, and I make no bones about not caring how we get the results or even why
15:15 <@Dagmar> No one loses face for not knowing something.
15:15 <@Dagmar> That's a fixable thing.
15:15 <@Dagmar> Hiding that you don't know something is just counter-productive.
15:16 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm fucking used to knowing 300% more than the people around me.
15:16 <@Dagmar> One or two things bits of info missing is _nothing_
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15:20 <@Bahhumbug> Funny, I am the same way and yet I am always "not a team player".
15:21 <@Bahhumbug> Not that I want to be part of the team of lazy do nothing nitwits, mind.
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15:22 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: if you're doing presentations to some group, maybe you should add that to the end of your presentation.
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15:24 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I've sort of gotten that, from the PHB of a former boss.  "Lacks the interest or ability to be a part of a team"
15:24 <@Dagmar> ...when I was the ONLY FUCKER LEFT.
15:25 <@Dagmar> What fucking "team" was I supposed to be a part of?
15:25 <@Dagmar> The sort of "team" that casually redefines Pre-Approved Standard Changes as Pre-Approved (but not really) Standard Changes Requiring Managerial Approval.
15:25 <@Dagmar> No.
15:25 <@Corydon76-home> The ass-licking team, of course
15:25 <@Dagmar> Noooooo.
15:25 <@Dagmar> I am a member of the ass-kicking team.
15:26 <@Dagmar> I murder problems in their sleep.
15:26 <@Dagmar> I am the sort of admin software bugs have night terrors about.
15:26 <@Dagmar> I am the Ender Of Problems.
15:26 <@Bahhumbug> I've gotten almost identical wording on a review before.  And I was quite happy to go over that line in _very explicit_ detail to everyone from HR to every boss up the line to the CEO of the company.  Went something like 'You are paying me top dollar to do a job.  I do that job.  At times this may come at the expense of stepping on toes to get that job done.  The end result is a 100% working
15:27 <@Bahhumbug> business process and a couple tears from others.  What do you find more important?"
15:28 <@Bahhumbug> There is a reason I contract and don't work in a corp environment any longer.  Apathy and uselessless is everywhere and I can't deal with that in a politically correct manner.
15:28 <@Dagmar> That's pretty much what killed my interest in security forensics
15:28 <@Dagmar> The one thing that's a near certainty is that the company employs a pack of amateurs
15:30 <@Bahhumbug> You know what...  this is Friday.
15:30 <@Bahhumbug> I'm officially done for the week.
15:33 <@Dagmar> I just got a non-crazy ticket, from a user who _used_ to represent the worst
15:33 <@Dagmar> FUCK YEAH I'll do that
15:34 <@Dagmar> His shit will be done in about ten minutes
15:34 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Do you know of a Corey Wurst that works at Vanderbilt, most likely over in ACCRE?
15:35  * shapr hops cheerfully
15:36 <@Bahhumbug> That name... did he work at Cafes.Net in Tullahoma at one point?
15:36 <@Dolemite> Apparently he's some 25 year old that claims he built out "the entire server farm at Vanderbilt" - or rather, that's what he said around someone who knows me, and knows that it's likely not the case.
15:36 <@Dolemite> No clue, Bahhumbug.  Just asking around for a friend that basically wanted ammunition to call bullshit.  I think he was embellishing to try to land a job.
15:37 <@shapr> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cory-wurst/6/bb3/135 ?
15:37 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cory Wurst | LinkedIn (at www.linkedin.com)
15:37 <@Dolemite> That's likely him
15:37 <@Dolemite> Oh, shit, he works for ITS.  LOL
15:37 <@Dolemite> There goes ALL credibility
15:38 <@Bahhumbug> The name is identical to someone from cafes.net.  I don't know if it's the same person, age seems a little young.
15:39 <@shapr> says he's a computer systems administrator for vanderbilt
15:39 <@shapr> One of my outlaws is the head of all computer stuff for MTSU
15:39 <@Dolemite> Yes, and based on his title and department, he works for Scott Douchenozzle Hogan
15:39 <@shapr> I don't know any of those people you've mentioned.
15:39 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Did you know Cory Wurst before you left Vandy?
15:40 <@shapr> It's been my experience that you better be able to back up your claims in the computer community. That community is especially well connected in the SouthEastern USA
15:40 <@Dolemite> That it is
15:41 <@shapr> Mind you, plenty of people have asked around about me to see if I was full of shit or not.
15:41 <@Dolemite> That's funny, he claims to have been at Vandy for 7+ years.  I've only been gone from there for 4 and never met him.
15:41 <@Bahhumbug> In this day and age anyone that tries to embellish work history is really quite stupid.
15:42 <@shapr> There's the old boy network, the old girl network, the new boy network... heck they're all connected, don't make shit up or it'll come back and haunt you.
15:43 <@Bahhumbug> There's the internet.  'nuf said.
15:44 <@shapr> Similarly, if you do stupid shit, anyone can find out about it if they ask around.
15:45 <@shapr> My approach is 1. do awesome stuff 2. post on the internet about the awesome stuff I've done, continue until dead
15:47 <@shapr> These days I ask my social connections about people before hiring/dating/etc
15:48 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, that is the same Cory Wurst from cafes :)
15:54 <@Dagmar> You know what makes this SUPER fucking special?
15:54 <@Dagmar> What was breaking the user's application was that they had failed to configure a javascript package for AN ANIMATED PROGRESS BAR.
15:55 <@Mirage> Dolemite: name sounds familiar.  why?
15:55 <@Mirage> Fail.. http://media.graytvinc.com/images/tanker+pic.jpg
15:55 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Excuse me while I point and laugh.
15:56 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I'm looking at his picture, and I completely do not recognize him so...
15:56 <@Dagmar> The odds are high that he is INCREDIBLY full of shit
15:56 <@Dagmar> If ITS were rebuilding all their Unix servers, we'd have heard about it
15:56 <@Dolemite> Mirage: His LinkedIn claims that he's an Admin at ITS and he was telling someone that he completely built out the server farm at Vandy
15:57 <@Dagmar> Maybe he's talking about some tiny little department that isn't actually ITS
15:57 <@Bahhumbug> Which server farm?
15:57 <@Dolemite> Well he's a Windows person based on his LinkedIn profile
15:57 <@Dagmar> HHAHAHAH
15:57 <@Mirage> lol.
15:57 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: That pretty much proves that he's full of shit.  Nobody who knows anything about Vandy's IT operations knows that there are many, many clusters.
15:58 <@Mirage> I don't recognize his pic on linkedin.  The name does sound familiar, though
15:58 <@Dolemite> So before calling complete and utter bullshit, I thought I'd check to see if there was even an iota of truth
15:58 <@Dagmar> He shows up in the Exchange directory as "Tech Support Specialist"
15:58 <@Bahhumbug> My money is on "no".
15:58 <@Dagmar> That would mean he probably works for Network Security now, not Core Infrastructure.
15:59 <@Dagmar> ;)
15:59 <@Dagmar> Let's see if he shows up in Peoplefinder
15:59 <@Dolemite> Sounds like another Skydog telling everybody that he's the CISO for Vanderbilt University [whisper voice] Peabody College [/whisper voice]
15:59 <@Dagmar> Oh wait.  I can save you some trouble
15:59 <@Mirage> Cory Wurst, Computer Systems Administrator I-dean Of Students Information Technology Support
16:00 <@Mirage> Looks to me (after some digging) he works for Dean of Students..or did before the VUIT consolidation
16:00 <@Dagmar> Well, then we know he didn't rebuild anything for ITS
16:01 <@Mirage> Here's another one.. "Cory Wurst, Scott Rutledge, and Josh Cully will begin their transition to Vanderbilt Information Technology (VIT)"
16:01 <@Dagmar> Peoplefinder still shows "Technical Support Specialist (Dean of Students)" as well
16:01 <@Mirage> So, yeah..he was Dean of Students.  I'm sure Rutledge could give you some info on him.
16:01 <@Dagmar> Titus has never heard of him
16:01 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: based on the scrollback, I think Bahhumbug has volunteered to make the next PhreakNIC badge :)
16:02 <@Corydon76-home> Except that Sumo_D has already volunteered
16:02 < aestetix_> oh cool
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16:03 < RangerZ> there is going to be a PN after 18?
16:03 < RangerZ> interesting
16:03 <@Corydon76-home> and Sumo_D is likely to make a more interesting badge than our traditional laminates
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16:04 < aestetix_> why did that merit being kicked
16:04 <@Bahhumbug> "because"
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: I'm sure there will be, even if it is less organized
16:04 <@Bahhumbug> "less organized"?
16:04 <@Bahhumbug> I don't think "less" means what you think it means.
16:04 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: you know, a good badge takes hard work to make. I thought you'd like that position.
16:05 <@Bahhumbug> I would contract it out to the lowest bidder and be done with it.
16:05 < RangerZ> Hell, we could probably just buy some extra notacon badges, and hack them
16:05 <@Bahhumbug> And since there is already a volunteer that seems done.
16:05 < RangerZ> lol
16:05 < aestetix_> And then take the credit for it?
16:05 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.  Because I am all about taking credit for that which I didn't do.
16:05 < aestetix_> Or find some issue with it?
16:05 < RangerZ> aestetix_: thats how experienced managers do it
16:05 < aestetix_> RangerZ: good point
16:06 < aestetix_> Heh. The other day I heard someone give a quite intersting narrative about the HOPE 2010 badge.
16:06 < aestetix_> It took everything in me not to correct them.
16:06 < aestetix_> (mostly because they wouldn't listen or care, they just wanted to complain)
16:06 <@Dagmar> The spirir of John Smith came to someone in a k-hole and gave him the badge artwork?/
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> I'd love to hear how your pancreas prevented that
16:06 <@Dagmar> s/spirir/spirit/
16:09 <@Dagmar> I like how he has skills in "Operating Systems"
16:09 <@Dagmar> This is one of the reasons I so detest LinkedIn.
16:10 <@CRasH180> Hey! I have that skill too!
16:10 < aestetix_> Maybe Bahhumbug can design the phreaknic code of conduct
16:10 <@CRasH180> lol, he sure can
16:10 < aestetix_> Dagmar: does that include things like clicking and double-clicking?
16:10 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to take Mr. 2.0 o go see Guardians of the Galaxy.  Later!
16:11 <@CRasH180> cya
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> The code of conduct is trivial
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> Don't Be A Dick
16:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Oh I'm sure it's all voice activated now
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> Done.  Next?
16:11 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: what if Dr. Penis shows up?
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> Castration.
16:11 <@Bahhumbug> Next?
16:12 < aestetix_> Wait, aren't the testicles more of a sidekick?
16:14 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: also, what if a guy named Richard shows up
16:14 < aestetix_> Also, does this mean you'll make the call when someone is being a dick?
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16:17 < aestetix_> wow did I make him emoquit?
16:18 <@Dagmar> Hell I may come dressed as Richard
16:19 <@Dagmar> It all depends on how much free time I  have
16:23 <@oddball> Damnit.  Now I want to make that robe.
16:25 < RangerZ> aestetix_: next NASA is going to draw a dick-butt on mars, before Curiosity's wheels wear out
16:26 < RangerZ> they already drew a penis, so you should be interested
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16:27 <@Bahhumbug> Meh, I don't know if this got sent or not.
16:27 <@Bahhumbug> A machette doesn't care.
16:27  * Bahhumbug goes to smoke a bong
16:29 < RangerZ> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=curiosity+dick+pic+mars+picture
16:29 <@GateKeeper> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com)
17:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Are you going to read the Laundry Files?
17:15 <@CRasH180> ta ta for now
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17:23 <@Corydon76-home> Diamond Head:  https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10526101_10201358061633621_5506484661249372721_n.jpg?oh=e3b88dd20aa1dcfd496b2bdf94270373&oe=5470A569&__gda__=1415586943_8b00bc5b4fe6e6dba89007bb6b9c4e31
17:23 <@Corydon76-home> This is the direction from Oahu where Julio will first hit
17:24 <@wilpig> blarg.  damn vampire is stomping the shit out of me
17:25 <@Corydon76-home> Also an area frequented by surfers which seem to be rather absent for some reason
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18:56 <@oddball> I think I'm going to try building a software RAID on my linux box.  Anyone got a recommendation for which RAID software to use?
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> True software raid on linux is limited to md/dm
18:57 <@Bahhumbug> And while md can be used to manage software raid it is really designed more for fakeraid setups.  Just use the md raid stuff and you'll be golden.
18:58 <@oddball> ok, cool
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> Err, And while _dm_
18:58 <@oddball> Was thinking that there were multiple packages to choose from.
18:58 <@Bahhumbug> There are some front-ends around but at the heart it's really all kernel-land :)
18:59 <@oddball> And yeah... I'm actually wanting to do a fakeraid with 4 disks that are supposed to be identical, but they're not.
18:59 <@Bahhumbug> Trust me on this.
18:59 <@Bahhumbug> You do _not_ want fakeraid.
19:00 <@Bahhumbug> fakeraid is notorious for being tied to the firmware level of the fakeraid board / chipset; the volumes are often not portable to anything other than that specific combination.
19:00 <@Bahhumbug> Which will kinda blow if you lose the mb / card.
19:00 <@oddball> Well, the problem is that I have 4 3TB drives that are the same model, but apparently the timing on them are not the same so they fail in the hardware raid box I have.
19:01 <@oddball> ah
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> Can you relax timing at the controller / plane level?
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> Or, can you flash the drive?
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> Might just be lagging firmware on the drive itself.
19:01 <@Bahhumbug> phone, brb
19:02 <@oddball> As far as I'm aware, no... and the manufacturer of the raid box told me no.
19:03 <@Bahhumbug> Lame.
19:04 <@oddball> And I forget why, but trying to update the firmware on the drives resulted in me throwing things.
19:04 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, that's common :D
19:04 <@Bahhumbug> I try to avoid that at all costs, really.
19:05 <@oddball> Oh... that's right, I got the error "I'm sorry, you have drive 123, this is only for drive 123."
19:05 <@Bahhumbug> Even in the field I have few dedicated hardware solutions at this point; most everything is mdraid and I've yet to run into issues with it and the portability aspect is a true win.
19:05 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: Seems legit.
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19:28 <@Bahhumbug> How cute.  Crazy cunt posts html to a mailing list.
19:32 < aestetix_> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8152944
19:32 < aestetix_> this thread is amazing
19:32 < aestetix_> Someone finally called bullshit on silicon valley
19:37 < aestetix_> that said
19:37 < aestetix_> the latest batch of YC apps look useless
19:43  * oddball reads the email.
19:43 <@oddball> So... the extra meeting is to make sure things don't get dropped... like the website?
19:46 < aestetix_> oh wow
19:46 < aestetix_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/812365891/swivelcard-smart-business-cards
19:46 < aestetix_> this is amazing
19:59 <@Bahhumbug> I want to punch your fearless leader in the throat for the reference to Aaron Swartz.
19:59 < aestetix_> my fearless leader?
19:59 < RangerZ> oddball: I just read that email too
19:59 < RangerZ> and was like ...w.tf
19:59 < aestetix_> oh jonnyx
20:00 <@Bahhumbug> He's someones fearless leader, isn't he?
20:00 < RangerZ> http://www.anarchival.net/#/ HAHA
20:00 <@GateKeeper> Title: anarchival (at www.anarchival.net)
20:00 <@Bahhumbug> I will be sure to get right on clicking that.
20:00 < RangerZ> aestetix_: you should just look at that
20:00 < RangerZ> its just links
20:00 < RangerZ> just funny ones
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> Be a shame if it got defaced.
20:01 < aestetix_> uh
20:01 < aestetix_> wait
20:01 <@wilpig> it's already defaced.  just look at it
20:01 < aestetix_> isn't valerie solanas the woman who shot andy warhol?
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: I will not :)
20:01 <@Bahhumbug> And you can't make me :D
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> Ok, I looked.
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> It's wanting active content.
20:02 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: Swartz reference?
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> It can go get fucked.
20:02 < aestetix_> RangerZ: it is.... a confused list.
20:02 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Yes.
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> Look at the last paragraph of his most recent mail to root@
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> (At least he posts in plain text.)
20:03 < RangerZ> ohh fuck him
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.
20:03 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck him.
20:04 < RangerZ> I didn't look at that, I thought it was just reply nonsense
20:04 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know the guy but I am pretty sure he didn't mean anything disrespectful with that comment.
20:04 <@Bahhumbug> But it still got under my skin.
20:04 < RangerZ> reading on the phone made it look that way
20:05 < RangerZ> I'm not religious, but corpse desecration is not something you joke about, with people who aren't dick chaney
20:05 < RangerZ> gods... so much piss is going to flow over his grave
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Dru's?
20:06 <@Bahhumbug> Or Chaney?
20:06 < RangerZ> good point
20:07 < RangerZ> but I meant the sith lord, and dru isn't good(or bad) enough to be a sith
20:07  * Bahhumbug shrugs
20:07 < RangerZ> just look at Dagmar, they only consider him a sith knight
20:07 <@Bahhumbug> Don't know 'em
20:08 < RangerZ> Dru is a fine person, problem is he has terrible judgement in people... for fucks sake he meets with us and crazypants
20:08 < aestetix_> has she ever been to phreaknic?
20:08 < RangerZ> ohh she'll BE THERE this time
20:09 < RangerZ> and you won't be able to miss her
20:09 < RangerZ> even if you are trying
20:09 < aestetix_> But she hasn't been before?
20:09 < RangerZ> the voice will travel
20:09 < RangerZ> As a relative newcomer... I don't know personally, but maybe like 10+years ago
20:09 <@Bahhumbug> She said it's been a while.
20:10 < aestetix_> How long?
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> Charter seems to have bumped my speeds again.
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> Ask her.
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> I really don't know.
20:10 <@oddball> I think the early days
20:10 < aestetix_> I've been to every PN since PN5 (last year was remote) and have never met her
20:10 <@Bahhumbug> It's in my logs but damned if I care enough to look :)
20:11 <@oddball> She claims she wanted to go to PN last year but didn't because it was allllll the way in m'boro.
20:11 <@oddball> and apparently nobody going to a weekend long event should be expected to travel 40 minutes to get there.
20:12 <@Bahhumbug> She could have asked for a ride.
20:12 <@Bahhumbug> But someone might have raped her.
20:12 <@Bahhumbug> That happens all the time, you know.
20:12 < aestetix_> I mean if the early days were PN1-4 then sure ok
20:13 <@oddball> ah ha!  Apparently there is an "important" firmware update to my drives and this firmware updater actually *works*.
20:14 < RangerZ> LOL... aestetix_ you should ask her ... so are you for anarchism or feminism? b/c you can't enforce "men not being assholes to women" without a strong police state, since we are such animals without thought
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_ should consider taking one for the team.  Maybe she wouldn't be such a raving psychopath if she got laid.
20:15 < aestetix_> I am in favor of this, provided you do NOT take pictures
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> ...
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> You are?
20:15 <@Bahhumbug> Have you actually _seen_ her?
20:16 < RangerZ> in the dark, and with a full body condom from naken gun 33^1/3 , it might not be so bad
20:16 < RangerZ> he might enjoy it
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix_ can be quite annoying but I really wouldn't wish that on him.
20:18 <@Bahhumbug> Honestly, there isn't enough booze or drugs in the would that would make me consider it.
20:20 < aestetix_> Oh wait
20:20 < aestetix_> I misread that.
20:20 < aestetix_> I thought Bahhumbug said HE was going to take one for the team.
20:20 < aestetix_> Fuck that shit.
20:20 <@Bahhumbug> ^ exactly
20:20 < aestetix_> God. Ugh.
20:21 <@Bahhumbug> God has nothing to do with this.
20:21 < aestetix_> klixa: any suggested remedy to the situation?
20:21 <@Bahhumbug> (Or with anything, but that's anoter conversation)
20:21 < RangerZ> hire a male prostitute?
20:21 < aestetix_> I think it's been a while since wilpig got laid.
20:21 < RangerZ> we could probably pass out a bucket for donations
20:21 < aestetix_> Maybe he could volunteer.
20:22 <@Bahhumbug> Even male whores have limits.
20:22 <@klixa> aestetix_: what situation
20:22 <@klixa> be more joe
20:22 <@klixa> http://s.quickmeme.com/img/8d/8d8911454763aaad363d59235ba432e1dafd27e5db865922c76adc17bccae588.jpg
20:22 < aestetix_> klixa: how to make anarchival sane
20:22 <@Bahhumbug> klixa: He's just trolling again.
20:22 <@Bahhumbug> Or maybe he's not.
20:22 <@klixa> aestetix_: cant be done
20:22 <@Bahhumbug> I might have jumped the gun there.
20:23 < aestetix_> Is jonnyx sleeping with her?
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> sigh, all this talk of anarchival has given me the urge to take a dump.
20:23 <@klixa> aestetix_: no, she would have told us all
20:23 < aestetix_> Maybe Dagmar can take one for the team.
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> That's probably quite true, klixa.
20:23 < aestetix_> She seems to have a crush on him.
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> You know he can kill you, right?
20:23 <@klixa> hahaha
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> On that note.
20:24  * Bahhumbug goes off to do other things
20:47 < RangerZ> "Expendabelles" an all female Expendables
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20:50 < aestetix_> RangerZ: that might improve the movie
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20:50 < aestetix_> As is, it can't get any worse than it is
20:58 < aestetix_> Ok so
20:59 < aestetix_> What are family values, and how are you supposed to uphold them when everyone is at work?
20:59 < aestetix_> That is, how do you raise a kid when you're never with them
21:13 <@Shadow404> the internet
21:13 <@Shadow404> look how well i turned out
21:14 < aestetix_> god I hate babies
21:17 < RangerZ> You are suppose to have the wife raise the child
21:17 < RangerZ> obviously
21:17 < RangerZ> just ask gregorians(sp?) or w/e they are called
21:17 < RangerZ> that want to live in the fantasy 1950s
21:18 < RangerZ> b/c my grandparents were alive and having kids then... and I can promise you that they weren't like the beavers
21:33 < aestetix_> How does a wife raise a child if she's at work?
21:38 < RangerZ> she doesn't leave the house
21:38 < RangerZ> obviously
21:42 < RangerZ> its a really fucking stupid idea with today's economy
21:42 < RangerZ> but there are people who want to live that total subservant female lifestyle (surprisingly some females)
21:43 < aestetix_> Honestly, the only way to survive with today's economy is to bring back the traditional family model
21:44 < aestetix_> Where grandparents and aunts/uncles all live in the same house together
22:01 < RangerZ> nah
22:01 < RangerZ> all mine are dead or assholes, so I'll skip that
22:01 < RangerZ> lol
22:03 < aestetix_> the new bible I just got is fantastic
22:04 < RangerZ> Jefferson?
22:04 < aestetix_> New Jerusalem
22:04 < aestetix_> It's not really sold in the US
22:05 < RangerZ> *ehh*
22:05 < aestetix_> And is loaded with notes and references to the hebrew
22:05 < aestetix_> what
22:06 < RangerZ> unless it forgoes magic and tells people that it is abraham's fables
22:06 < aestetix_> lol
22:06 < RangerZ> oral traditions were great for telling stories before writing
22:08 < RangerZ> like the golden bull is reference to many polythesistic religions that existed at the time/before
22:08 < RangerZ> calf*
22:08 < aestetix_> right
22:08 < RangerZ> moses 'parted' the reed sea
22:08 < aestetix_> RangerZ: if you're interested, Joseph Campbell has a lecture going through all the things in the mythology of Jesus, and showing where in Egyptian mythology they came from
22:09 < RangerZ> which is/was a swamp that dries out for 1/2 the day based on tides
22:09 < aestetix_> It pissed off a few of the people in his audience.
22:09 < RangerZ> so the jews crossed when it was passable, then the tide came in and it wasn't passible
22:10 < RangerZ> there is a "great"(for production quality, not necessarily accuracy movie online that talks about it too
22:10 < RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie
22:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Zeitgeist: The Movie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
22:10 < RangerZ> first 1/3 is about religion, 2/3rd and end are more whacky , lol
22:11 < RangerZ> if you cut out the middle, it might have been more respected, b/c of the 9-11 'truther' conspiracies like Loose Change from alex jones
22:12 < RangerZ> the things I looked up about the first third seemed accurate, but I haven't looked for full citations (plus religions are just funny similar on their own)
22:13 < aestetix_> I'm mostly interested in this for origins
22:13 < aestetix_> IE we have some problems in our society. Where did they come from.
22:13 < RangerZ> look at Christmas, and Fox "News"('s) war on christmas...
22:13 < RangerZ> until the early 1900s or late 1800s, you weren't allowed to "celebrate" christmas
22:13 < RangerZ> it was a time of mourning/etc
22:14 < RangerZ> the catholic church only changed after catholics started going to prodestant churches on xmas even/day
22:14 < RangerZ> and people were starting to convert, b/c they had more celbratory masses, etc
22:15 < aestetix_> I have to admit
22:15 < aestetix_> I have a hard time believing the protestants are emotional about anything ;)
22:16 < RangerZ> ehh, prodestants aren't really an issue IMHO
22:16 < aestetix_> RangerZ: if you could go back in time, would you murder Paul?
22:17 < RangerZ> I'd rob peter to pay paul
22:17 < RangerZ> oh wait... GOP already does that
22:17 < RangerZ> hehe
22:17 < aestetix_> speaking of mythology, afk for a bit
22:17 < aestetix_> I decided to reread the Illiad
22:17 < RangerZ> but seriously, no, b/c sadly I love christ... I just hate his groopies
22:18 < RangerZ> aestetix_: you should look into the ethnic/religious group in iraq ontop of the mountain
22:18 < aestetix_> well
22:18 < aestetix_> the reason I'm reading Iliad/Odyssey is so Herodotus makes more sense
22:19 < RangerZ> predates islam, and worships the peacock angel, who didn't submit to god and bow its head like the rest of the 9 angels
22:19 < RangerZ> so islamists hate them b/c islam is about 'submission' to allah, etc
22:19 < RangerZ> from their POV
22:19 < RangerZ> really interesting
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23:08 < RangerZ> DOE-Energy Star webiste : "Consider buying a refrigerator with a top-mounted freezer.
23:08 < RangerZ> Models with top-mounted freezers use 10-25% less energy than bottom-mount or side-by-side models."
23:08 < RangerZ> wow... thats odd
23:09 < RangerZ> I figured the bottom freezer was more efficent
23:15 <@wilpig> colder on top means the fridge part doesn't work as hard
23:16 < RangerZ> yeah, my thinking was that if you let the cold just flow down... b/c heat rises, you could have the cold output at the top of each, and just adjust temps accordingly
23:16 < RangerZ> but i dunno, thats just my guess
23:16 < RangerZ> but yours does make sense too
23:17 <@wilpig> i've frozen milk like that before
23:17 <@wilpig> I used to keep it at the back of the fridge and it would freeze
23:18 < RangerZ> I'm starting to think I never got over my milk allergy, lately when I eat it, I notice it doesn't really like me
23:19 <@wilpig> that could be lactose intolerance just from not having had it for so long
23:20 < RangerZ> thankfully it isn't a lactose intollerance, its one of the enzymes or protiens which gets alterd when sugar is added
23:20 < RangerZ> so I can have ice cream and milk shakes, etc, lol... which is convienent , hehe
23:22 < RangerZ> b/c when I was an infant/child I could have can have sheeps milk, but not goats or cows
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23:40 < aestetix_> RangerZ: if I want to compile POSIX C++ code in Windows
23:41 < aestetix_> Is there a free version of Visual Studio I can use?
23:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
23:50 < aestetix_> yeah the express thing
23:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> visual studio express I think its called now
23:50 < aestetix_> which wants you to create a microsoft account to download it
23:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, you have to do that
23:50 < aestetix_> which requires a fucking phone number to make an account
23:50 < aestetix_> thankfully we have piratebay
23:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> i wouldn't
23:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> the very first real virus was inserted into a compiler
23:51 < aestetix_> I know
23:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c you CAN NOT detect them in compilers
23:51  * aestetix_ shrugs
23:51 < aestetix_> it's in a VM I don't care
23:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm going to love it when a virus hits XP and escapes VMware/virtualbox
23:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> gonna piss off so many people
23:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you can cross compile to windows binaries without compiling 'on' windows AFAIK
23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.blogcompiler.com/2010/07/11/compile-for-windows-on-linux/
23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> among other stuff
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