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00:53 <@wilpig> lol  www.change.org/petitions/nfl-have-weird-al-yankovic-headline-the-super-bowl-xlix-halftime-show
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> that would make it actually interesting to watch
01:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c its boring as hell now otherwise
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04:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> umm....
04:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> am I not getting some reference on he 2600 mailing list?
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07:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:50 <@Dolemite> Mirage:  Is this what high school was like growing up in Oklahoma?  http://www.fox23.com/news/news/police-say-wagoner-teacher-found-empty-classroom-w/ngwJ9/
07:50 <@GateKeeper> Title: Police say Wagoner teacher found in empty classroom without... | www.fox23.com (at www.fox23.com)
08:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> gotta love GateKeeper's choice where to cut off a lot of titles
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09:10 <@NotLarry> "If for some reason this job needs to be ran again tomorrow"  What?
09:14 <@brimstone> NotLarry: which bus service did you use to get to atl maker faire years back?
09:19 <@wilpig> someone could easily mistake my cousin for a boy.  https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10552490_10204659545556957_8620794527488687165_n.jpg
09:19 <@wilpig> brimstone: the really cheap one.
09:20 <@wilpig> superbus?
09:20  * brimstone beeps
09:20 <@brimstone> megabus?
09:21 <@brimstone> i don't see superbus is a real thing
09:21 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: Everytime we start thinking you're a crude yuppie, you have to remind us that you're from the backwaters of Kentucky
09:22 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: I will never yankeefy
09:23 <@wilpig> brimstone: megabus sounds right.  I just remember it being uber cheap and had regular runs between the two points
09:23 <@brimstone> the times for the megabus runs between atlanta and nashville are terrible for phreaknic :(
09:23 <@brimstone> i end up getting back home at like 2am or something
09:23 <@Corydon76-home> Yay, my Big Brother-ish monitor for my vehicle is due to be delivered this afternoon.
09:24 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: I got my ezpass today as well
09:25 <@wilpig> it was waiting for me when I got home last night.  I put it on this morning
09:25 <@wilpig> still no ticket from running that toll last week
09:25 <@Corydon76-home> http://statefarm.com/in-drive
09:26 <@Corydon76-home> I get a discount on my insurance by letting Big Brother know where I am at all times.
09:27 <@Corydon76-home> And, after the first year, I pay for the privilege of being monitored
09:27 <@wilpig> fuck that noise
09:28 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, but my insurance discount more than makes up for the device fee rental
09:29 <@Dolemite> I'm old enough to where they don't even offer discounts like that to me.  I have an insurance company that, generally speaking, doesn't provide insurance to people under 40.
09:29 <@wilpig> aarp huh?
09:29 <@Dolemite> No, not quite.  Grange.
09:29 <@wilpig> i've had grange since my mid twenties
09:30 <@Corydon76-home> Do you get discounts on your Geritol, too?
09:30 <@wilpig> at your age i'd suspect they're starting to offer you accidental drove into a building coverage
09:31 <@Dolemite> wilpig: I said generally speaking, not across the board.
09:31 <@Dolemite> Most 20 somethings don't have good enough credit for Grange to cover them
09:31 <@Dolemite> They discriminate based on credit score, rather than age.
09:32 <@Dolemite> Although between having the two homeowner claims we've had since moving up here, if we have to file one more in the next 2 years they'll likely drop us.  They had to pay out about $30K on the first claim and another $60K on the second one.
09:33 <@wilpig> I always just credited it to me having an insurance agent.  sherri's done be right over the years.  I like having one person to call and handle shit
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09:34 <@Dolemite> Yeah, we have an independent agent out of Smyrna that we still use.  My Dad was an independent insurance agent for 30+ years, too.
10:45 < Shadow405> A co-worker just told me carbon-dating was inaccurate and the earth is not millions of years old. Gotta love creationist. Eyes closed, hands over ears. We know how to harness power of atom, but we can't seem to educate the ignorant.
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10:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> carbon dating is only good up to ~20,000 years... thats correct
10:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> thankfully we don't use carbon dating for rocks older than 20k, years
10:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
10:56 <@wilpig> i'm an advocate of cutting things open and counting its rings
10:56 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: we're gonna need to verify your age.
10:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, you'll need to open up crazypants
10:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> but you'll have to use your tongue
10:57 <@wilpig> the only thing we're gonna but cutting into crazy pants for is to spread her parts all over the world so they never recombine
10:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... that just might solve the problem of her being a complete fucking whacko to everyone... and focus it all on you... which I'm fine with ;)
10:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKCNJmARF0 162BPM beethoven-goodness
10:58 <@GateKeeper> Title: Diana Boncheva feat. BanYa - Beethoven Virus Full Version - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:03 <@shapr> yow!
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11:28 <@Mirage> Dolemite: 3/20-22/15 set in stone?
11:29 <@Dolemite> 15?
11:29 <@Mirage> 2015
11:29 <@Dolemite> Derp
11:29 <@Mirage> Or were you planning for 2016
11:30 <@Dolemite> Yes, I made my reservation for 3/20/15 through 3/22/15
11:30 <@Dolemite> I think pig made his reservation this morning, too
11:31 <@wilpig> haven't yet but it's on my list
11:31 <@Mirage> I did it yesterday afternoon...and barely saw the "oh, i sent the link with the wrong dates" before paying for the May dates
11:32 <@wilpig> surely they can mve it
11:32 <@Dolemite> You can cancel up until 3 days before, so yes, you should be able to move if you had reserved the wrong dates
11:33 <@Mirage> I caught it before i booked/paid it.   I just wanted to verify while it was fresh in my mind.
11:34 <@Dolemite> Yep, that's the date.  I'd put the right one on the Facebook post, but you never get on Facebook.
11:34 <@shapr> wheeee!
11:34  * shapr hops randomly
11:44 <@Mirage> httpd_sys_script_exec_t
11:44 <@Mirage> oops
11:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> Mirage: stop trying to hack the PN site, geeze... don't be so obvious about it, hehe
11:48 <@Dagmar> I find that password to be very unimaginative
11:49 <@Dolemite> Wow.  Hearing another person from the lab who knows nothing about the supercomputers trying to give a tour to some visitors...  so far I don't think he's gotten any of the factoids correct..
11:49 <@Mirage> Dolemite: I assume he's paid to be pretty and massage egos vs doing anything technical then?
12:00 <@shapr> Dolemite: and the tour participants don't even know the difference
12:11 <@ignotus-sdf> Comcast... and the Masters of Suckitude!
12:12 <@shapr> comCAUSTIC
12:12 <@ignotus-sdf> I must share.
12:13 <@ignotus-sdf> Once again, your chat rep, Reynan, was superb. And once again, you have demonstrated a desire to reach new levels of utter incompetency in getting your own network to actually function. I have now been down since the 31st of July. Your "Mover's Edge" is about as sharp as a sack of wet leather. I couldn't cut butter with your Edge if I had a space heater and blowtorch.
12:13 <@ignotus-sdf> You have seriously impacted our operations with your inability to actually move service, and now I have to call Sales to remove a package you applied to me for phone service that I explicitly told you over and over that I don't need and CANNOT USE. I have enjoyed talking to this brick wall of inattentiveness called Comcast, but my threat stands. 6PM EST, or I remove ALL services. I will also share the gospel of your negligence publicly. As well as alt
12:13 <@ignotus-sdf> ernatives to your services.
12:13 <@shapr> yay!
12:15 <@ignotus-sdf> If I actually had the $100 on hand, I'd just switch to FreedomPop today.
12:20 <@wilpig> you can get $100 quickly on the corner
12:20 <@wilpig> just wiggle it at passing cars
12:23 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: here, that would involve bail. I need my cashflow to go in the other direction.
12:27 <@Dagmar> Skrillex.  Nashville.  September 30 and October 1st.
12:32 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm not wiggling my chubby ass there, either.
12:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> how about on music row?
12:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'll probably get some sympathy donations
12:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> enough people pay the homeless for those crap newspapers, I'm sure they would pay you to put you out of your misery  ;)
12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: protip, on the automated system, say that your internet provides your phone
12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they have to give top priority to customers with VOIP
12:35 <@ignotus-sdf> "Will dance badly for Internet service"
12:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently they do the same when dispatching repair techs
12:35 <@Dagmar> OH MY GOD THERE'S A NEW LAUNDRY BOOK
12:35 <@ignotus-sdf> I just got off the phone with the local maintenence shack. They will be out at 2PM. We'll see.
12:36 < frsilent> what's in march next year you guys are talking about booking?
12:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> frsilent: ignotus-sdf's dancing
12:36 <@ignotus-sdf> I already know how to do laundry, but glad you're interested.
12:36 < frsilent> oh lol, was wondering if PN had been drastically rescheduled
12:36 < frsilent> think I may actually go this year
12:37 <@ignotus-sdf> I would dance like a bear receiving electro shock. Or like Larry the Cable Guy. About the same thing.
12:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> but then you wouldn't have heart burn ;)
12:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> so ... silver lining...
12:38 <@ignotus-sdf> this is true...
12:39 <@ignotus-sdf> But if I could look more like a walrus, I could have diabeetus.
12:39 <@Dagmar> Cairenn: Better Laundry https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Charles_Stross_The_Rhesus_Chart?id=WC0kAgAAQBAJ
12:39 <@Dagmar> @#$@#$
12:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> what?
12:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> is that a series of books?
12:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQJnOn0ru0
12:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: TUSK - Official trailer HD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
12:44 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Yes it is.  I take it you've only read one of them?
12:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, never read any of them
12:45 <@Dagmar> Like, at this point he's written enough of them that the series could be made into a niche MMO
12:45 <@Dagmar> DUD
12:45 <@Dagmar> E
12:45 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stross#The_Laundry_Files
12:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Charles Stross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
12:46 <@Dagmar> You need to start with The Atrocity Archives
12:46 <@Dagmar> We know you're a coder and if you ever liked the C'Thulu mythos stuff, the series is meant for you
12:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
12:47 <@Dolemite> frsilent: We have been talking about Smoky Mountains GeekNIC in March of next year.
12:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dolemite: but its not possible to hold a group meeting like that without months to setup a website, and a code of conduct , and a girls only room
12:53 <@Dolemite> There's a restroom just for ladies at the bar.
12:53 <@Dolemite> Our code of conduct is, "Don't be a douche nozzle, unless it's during a game of Cards Against Humanity."
12:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> man... I don't think she liked my comment "so who is going to be checking genitals at the door, or are we going to allow self-identifying females in there"
12:54 <@Dolemite> Did crazypants actually ask for a girls only room?
12:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes
12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> and a girls only talk on how to deal with stalkers
12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually my statement was directed at the talk
12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still, both are silly
12:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you want a private room at a hotel/conf. center.... its called.... 'getting a room'
12:56 <@Dolemite> yeah, no shit
12:56 <@Dolemite> Well GeekNIC has no talks.  Only eating, drinking, and generally having fun.
12:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> unless you lose at CaH
12:56 <@wilpig> there is lots of talking
12:56 <@Dolemite> I will figure out a hike for us, again.  I'm already doing that with Cub Scouts enough, so what's one more?  lol
12:57 <@Dolemite> The talking falls under the generally having fun part
12:57 <@wilpig> if you're making us a cubscout hike I expect a badge
13:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> just be thankful he doesn't want a cubscout sash too
13:15 <@ignotus-sdf> I can make this conversation go horribly wrong.
13:15 <@ignotus-sdf> But I won't.
13:15 <@Dolemite> Cub Scouts don't have sashes.  Boy Scouts do.
13:15 <@Mirage> wilpig: you have all the CAH expansions?
13:16 <@Dolemite> Well, I take that back.  Webelos can start doing badges before they cross over.
13:16  * Mirage just ordered CAH + exp 1-4
13:16 <@Dolemite> Robert Spurlin is tentative for GeekNIC, and he has a crapload of CAH, too.
13:17 <@wilpig> yes he does
13:17 <@wilpig> Mirage: I have them all but the nineties and one other that I thought was dumb
13:18 <@Mirage> wilpig: yeah, i passed on the xmas and 90's expansioins
13:19 <@Dagmar> $dept is still insisting their servers aren't reachable after the VIP migration.
13:19 <@Dagmar> ...except, I can reach them, from literally everywhere.
13:19 <@Dagmar> ...including (after a wild guess) the servers themselves.
13:20 <@Dagmar> These people scare me.
13:20 <@wilpig> I also have the ones from this past christmas that were personalized.  I have a "Wilbur Longwisch" car
13:20 <@wilpig> card*
13:20 <@Mirage> wilpig: an Evilpig one would have been better.
13:21 <@wilpig> they didn't ask what I wanted on it.  it just appeared and I was surprised
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13:22 <@Mirage> We need to make a few custom answer cards.."Hanna Montana Linux", "A Justin Beiber singing toothbrush.", etc...
13:22 <@Mirage> Oh, and we can't forget "The NotKids
13:24 <@wilpig> hehe
13:25 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Somone found your diary -> http://geekologie.com/2014/08/good-samaritans-guy-at-burger-king-buys.php
13:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: Good Samaritans: Guy At Burger King Buys All The Pies To Spite The Whiny Brat In Line Behind Him | Geekologie (at geekologie.com)
13:27 <@wilpig> Dolemite: I was just reading that and had to show it to some folks here
13:32 <@Mirage> awesone
13:32 <@Mirage> er, awesome even
13:36 <@Mirage> I'm digging this.. http://bit.ly/V1gKZ9
13:36 <@Mirage> Bot fail.. "Calvin And Hobbes Having Adventures In Real Photographs Will Make You Smile"
13:44 <@wilpig> that's a good quote.  "critics goto the battlefield after the fight and shoot the survivors"
13:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: LOL @ VUIT removing [external]
13:46 <@wilpig> that lasted all of a month
13:49 <@Mirage> RangerZ|Laptop: what?
13:50 <@Mirage> They break DNS..or something else?
13:52 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I figured it wouldn't last long
13:52 <@Dagmar> Mirage: No... Some doctors got spearphished and the spearphishers logged in and changed their direct deposit information to non-US banks, so OMG SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE
13:53 <@Dagmar> ...so the put a policy into FOPE so that all off-campus originating mail (or anything that doesn't go through SRFS anyway) gets "[External]" prepended to the subject line
13:54 <@Dagmar> ...because clearly that's easier than simply changing policy requiring someone to call the user when a direct deposit change is made, or actually requiring users to fucking think
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> Or, I dunno, send someone a confirmation email when you make a change of that nature, so you can see it and fix it before any money changes hands...
13:57 <@Corydon76-home> The usual "Please call us if you did not authorize this change."
14:13 <@Dagmar> YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDINNG ME
14:14 <@Dagmar> I just got word that the developer who couldn't connect was TRYING TO DO IT FROM A GODDAMN STARBUCKS
14:14 <@Dagmar> Where do they FIND these goddamn people
14:14  * Dagmar explodes.
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14:16 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Obviously at Starbucks
14:22 <@wilpig> ^
14:26 <@Mirage> lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbGnvgMKNHY
14:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Star Wars as performed by Cartman and the Professor from Futurama - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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14:29 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Seriously tho.  You are *exactly* the kind of person Stross is writing for with The Laundry series
14:32 < aestetix_> Apparently my rage level has dropped significantly since i stopped reading twitter
14:33 <@Dagmar> That'll happen
14:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: I'll check it out tonight
14:33 <@Dagmar> I'm at least 200% less likely to wipe out the eastern seaboard now that I've stopped watching CNN
14:33 < aestetix_> It's nice. I no longer use any so-called social media
14:34 <@wilpig> Mirage: that's great
14:34 <@shapr> antisocial media?
14:35 < aestetix_> Well it's just the constant checking of random shit
14:35 <@shapr> BREAKING NEWS: FOX Network actor Gret van Sustern tested for Ebola, Turingness, and journalistic integrity!
14:35 < aestetix_> And the more than 50% chance that the random shit will contain something that pisses you off
14:36 < aestetix_> shapr: I wish that were a headline.
14:36 <@shapr> put it up on twitter!
14:36 < aestetix_> Along with "Rupert Murdoc has contracted herpes"
14:37 <@wilpig> shapr: negative on all?
14:37 <@shapr> yup
14:37 <@wilpig> i was pulling for ebola too
14:37 <@shapr> I'm forced to watch Fox News at the YMCA here
14:38 <@Dagmar> Nothing to do now but wait for the bannerspam to start going on about home ebola testing kits
14:38 <@Dagmar> ...or the new ebola diet.
14:38 <@Dagmar> It could really go either way.
14:38 <@shapr> the treadmills keep thinking my heartrate is too high,but instead I'm just furious at the amount of bullshit on TV
14:38 <@Dagmar> shapr: welcome to my world
14:38 <@Dagmar> I can reach high scores on those blood pressure meters
14:38 <@shapr> seriously, who thinks there's the least shred of journalistic integrity on FOX?
14:38 <@Dagmar> Like, to the point where if the manufacturer had any imagination, they'd just lock the cuff in place and call for paramedics.
14:39 <@shapr> ha
14:39 <@Dagmar> I did this accidentally at a doctor's office once
14:39 <@Dagmar> The dude actually very cooly asked me to lie back and started talking about needing to give me an injection
14:40 < frsilent> shapr: have you seen the sean hannity / russell brande pieces?
14:40 <@shapr> no?
14:40 <@shapr> at least, I don't think so
14:40 <@Dagmar> YOU WILL FALL IN LOVE WITH RUSSEL BRAND
14:40 <@Dagmar> He is truly doing God's work there
14:40 <@shapr> I've see somebody's "No Spin Zone" on FOX News, that has more spin than all the electrons in the TV
14:41 <@Dagmar> Russel Brand takes Sean Hannity to task over his bullshit
14:41 < frsilent> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM
14:41 <@shapr> sounds interesting
14:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: Israel-Palestine: Is This A Debate? Russell Brand The Trews (E111) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:41 < frsilent> Dagmar: & mohammad/gandhi/etc's work
14:43 <@shapr> frsilent: this makes me very very happy
14:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> anyone good with SQL here?
14:55 <@wilpig> your mom
14:55 <@wilpig> oh sorry.  SELECT * from DATA.TABLE WHERE answer="your mom"l
14:57 <@shapr> RangerZ|Laptop: I've done some SQL, what's up?
14:57 < aestetix_> NEVER DO SELECT *
14:57 <@shapr> select count(*) ?
14:57 <@shapr> Anyway, Datalog is way more awesome.
14:57 < aestetix_> well that's different
14:58 <@wilpig> SELECT *;
14:58 < aestetix_> lol
14:58 < aestetix_> wait
14:58 < aestetix_> if you store a video in a database field
14:58 <@critch> RangerZ|Laptop: which bastardized SQL are you trying to use?
14:58 < aestetix_> what happens when you select it in a query
14:58 < aestetix_> does it just show the object pointer?
14:58 <@shapr> c'mon, everyone knows you should be using ASN.1 instead of SQL!
14:58 <@wilpig> aestetix_: you get a data dump
14:58 < aestetix_> god
14:59 <@wilpig> it does depend on your connecting library though
14:59 < aestetix_> so if you're storing a 20 gig video
14:59 < aestetix_> have fun?
14:59 <@critch> you shouldn't put a large file like that in the DB.
14:59 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, you should store multiple large files like that in a DB
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> duh
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> why else would you use a DB
15:00 <@Dolemite> Yeah, seriously, anything over 19.5 MB is crazy.
15:00 <@Dolemite> er, 19.5 GB
15:00 < aestetix_> critch: then how does tumblr store all the porn
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell, Android's recommendation is anything over 20kb
15:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:01 <@critch> depending on DB backend, variable length rows suck ass. So files in the DB suck a lot.
15:01 < aestetix_> I'm sure that most video porn is over 20 megs
15:01 < aestetix_> well most good video porn
15:01 < frsilent> I don't know anyone that uses a db to store flat files
15:02 <@critch> Hell decent animated gifs are starting to push 20mb
15:02 < frsilent> so I'm confused by all of this
15:02 < aestetix_> actually
15:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> frsilent: using a DB to store pointers to flat files is actually really nice, once you set it up right
15:02 < aestetix_> if a database is using a device to store data.... if it's using an lvm, will it autodetect when I add a drive to the lvm?
15:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats what Android's ContentProvider framework is
15:02 <@critch> pointers, such as hashed names, yeah, that is decent
15:03 < frsilent> isn't that the same as saving a path as a charfield?
15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> it uses URIs actually, which can be remote too
15:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> or local
15:04 < frsilent> yeah, what I meant I guess
15:04 <@critch> saving a piece of information is good, saving a path could get problematic if you decide to change how things are stored
15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> critch: thats why 'you' don't decide how things are stored
15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> you let the DB manage it for you
15:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> including redundancy, etc
15:04 < frsilent> ie for images I've always stored a hash to "ensure" uniqueness
15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c hashes 'never' have hash collisions ;)
15:05 < frsilent> lol, hence my "ensure"
15:05 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: good hashses don't
15:05 < aestetix_> md5 is not a good hash
15:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: my advisor is the one who wrote/envisioned the first perfect hash
15:06 < RangerZ|Laptop> its in the ACE corba framework
15:06 <@critch> aestetix_: if there was a hash that was good enough to ensure no collisions, it would be a compression algorithm.
15:06 < frsilent> yeah, so is it okay practice to use sha256 of something like file name & dimensions?
15:07 < aestetix_> frsilent: I would assume so
15:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
15:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> sha1 would be enough likely
15:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah
15:07 < aestetix_> well keep in mind there's another constraint
15:07 < aestetix_> cpu and memory to compute the hash
15:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> critch: you don't actually have to do compression, you just have to have a 'theoretical' max size of the potential size of bits used in the hash, that is larger than log_2 any file in the hash
15:09  * shapr buys compression socks for critch 
15:09 <@shapr> or was that a compression SOCKS proxy?
15:09 <@Mirage> PhreakNIC PSA:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2brNBgd-R0A
15:09 <@GateKeeper> Title: 19 Nerdy Pickup Lines - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:09 <@critch> RangerZ|Laptop: if you could create a hash that never collided, then the hash could be used to represent that file uniquely
15:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes,but compression implies you can get the file back from the hash, and thats not true, without a lookup table
15:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c in practice the hash is often MUCH smaller than the theoretical 1:1 ratio that would be needed
15:13 <@critch> As soon as you think about the collision problem, you will understand for mathmatical proof, every hash implementation is going to collide at some point. The bits in the resulting hash are not enough to represent every possible file without colliding.
15:14 <@shapr> yeah, but that's the point
15:14 <@shapr> do I get to talk about bloom filters for multicast routing next?
15:15 <@shapr> !wiki bloom filter
15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> only if you can prove that 3-coloring is NP-Complete without referencing any other NP-Complete algorithms in your proof
15:15 <@shapr> :-P
15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> (its actually not that hard, b/c thats the 'base' proof)
15:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> only takes ~2 pages of paper
15:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have it written down somewhere at home in a binder
15:16 <@shapr> bloom filters use multiple hash functions to get some nifty properties.
15:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> ...god help me... I don't remember how to do it,lol
15:17 <@critch> I guess it all depends on your data set size and how important the data is.
15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> perfect hash functions are mainly used in OS/System software
15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c they are meant for constant time lookup
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> and inside compilers
15:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsjftApHb4c
15:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Maker Camp: ArcAttack! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:57 <@Mirage> Anyone use/play with OpenVAS?
15:57 <@brimstone> Mirage: npcomp|away has
15:58 <@Mirage> Cool.  Building out a test host right now to use internally for scanning template hosts used for creating our OVAs
15:58 <@Mirage> The price is right. =)
16:19 <@wilpig> Dolemite: ping
16:23 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl7pb6dv2necwza/%23infrastructure.2014-08-07.log
16:23 <@GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - #infrastructure.2014-08-07.log (at www.dropbox.com)
16:23 <@wilpig> what's y'alls opinion on this?  neteng just being a dick or me being overly me, or a combination
16:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: honestly, i think it was a lack of communication
16:33 <@wilpig> right now we have neteng pushing for us to bend to their schedules and my manager saying no, this is our schedule you need to plan things and not make everything and emergency
16:33 <@wilpig> since he was out at the moment neteng is taking the opportunity to push back
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16:49 <@wilpig> from my boss about that whole mess. "no worries, I am calming him down, he took offense at 'firebomb'.   you may have to apologize about that remark at some point.  not today though....."
16:50 <@wilpig> neteng is israeli 
16:50 <@Dagmar> Did you threaten to firebomb the network again?
16:51 <@Dagmar> You might consider using the euphemism 'Improvise Porcine Device' next time.
16:51 <@wilpig> he said it was rude for me to just stop talking
16:51 <@wilpig> "16:11 < wilpig> I didn't leave it.  I walked away before the fire bombing began"
16:51 <@wilpig> 16:11 < neteng> its not acceptable that someone leaves a conversation in the middle
16:52 <@wilpig> I did ask someone in the NY office on another chat if it as a hate crime to set neteng on fire or just a regular crime
16:52 <@wilpig> i'm outta here.  was trying to leave 20 minutes ago
16:54 < aestetix_> wow
16:54 < aestetix_> ping pong tables just tank producitivty
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16:56 <@ignotus-sdf> wilpig: don't call neteng a kusememek, or he'll get really pissed.
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17:10 < frsilent> wilpig: no that neteng seems like a dick
17:10 < frsilent> "so, how do you manage the stuf?" "ok, why didn't you ask dan?" etc
17:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, wilpig, honestly, he's obviously il-informed
17:13 < frsilent> I understand text is tough to convey conversation context but if somebody kept asking questions like that I'd take it offensively
17:13 < frsilent> asking what my plan is to fix their problem & what not
17:14 <@Dagmar> "build a working environemnt and then change all the DNS records later"
17:32 < aestetix_> ugh
17:32 < aestetix_> gfd
17:32 < aestetix_> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/08/06/twitter_harassment_user_created_apps_block_together_flaminga_and_the_block.html
17:32 < aestetix_> I try to ignore twitter and it follows me
17:33 < aestetix_> "Twitter Won’t Stop Harassment on Its Platform, So Its Users Are Stepping In"
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17:58 <@wilpig> just so you all know in the next 30 minutes I have an meeting with HR about my racial comments
18:02 < aestetix_> what did you say
18:04 <@wilpig> the log is that way ^
18:07 < aestetix_> how is that racist
18:07 <@wilpig> because he's israeli and that's hwo he took it
18:07 < aestetix_> ....
18:07 <@wilpig> and as you know, HR is all about perception not intention
18:07 < aestetix_> he needs to grow a pair
18:08 <@wilpig> context doesn't matter and all that matters is how someone feels about something
18:08 < frsilent> guy sounds like a chode
18:08 <@wilpig> he's the head of network engineering and thinks that means I should do more for him or something?
18:08 < frsilent> is it a coworker or a customer
18:08 <@wilpig> he irritates me cause he asks us for things then we do them then he says that it was completely wrong despite having it in writing
18:08 < frsilent> rofl, yeah his "questions" were phrased to basically have you do work
18:08 < frsilent> ie what's your plan for this, how are you going to proceed, what needs to be done?
18:09 <@wilpig> so we started making them file tickets for every little thing
18:09 <@wilpig> I was off doing actual work
18:09 <@wilpig> I was documenting some fiber that needs to be ran for an actual project that has been scheduled
18:09 <@wilpig> POE2 C409-U52 Pt1 <==> C604-U44 TX13,RX13 SM
18:09 <@wilpig> DMZ01 C604-U22 xe-0/2/1 <==> C604-U44 TX17,RX17 MM
18:09 <@wilpig> DMZ02 C611-U22 xe-0/2/1 <==> C604-U44 TX22,RX22 SM
18:09 <@wilpig> CORP01 C606-U43 xe-0/0/3 <==> C604-U44 TX21,RX21 SM
18:09 <@wilpig> CORP02 C613-U43 xe-0/0/3 <==> C604-U44 TX20,RX20 SM
18:09 <@wilpig> ^ see
18:09 <@wilpig> and that fucker was causing me to constantly stop
18:11 < aestetix_> wilpig: that's because your work's HR is totally broken
18:11 <@wilpig> aestetix_: that's all HR
18:11 <@wilpig> every company i've been at is the same way
18:11 < aestetix_> I know
18:12 < aestetix_> maybe I should just say that HR is broken
18:12 <@wilpig> yes.  i'll agree with that
18:12 < aestetix_> where I work doesn't have HR
18:12 < frsilent> solution? small startups without an HR department
18:12 < frsilent> unless of course.... they get big enough or have a shitty employee that files a lawsuit
18:14 < aestetix_> I do like the line "you're offended? tough shit motherfucker"
18:14 < aestetix_> I've gotten banned from a few places that way :p
18:14 < frsilent> hahah
18:14 < aestetix_> usually by fauxminists
18:16 <@wilpig> fuckin' cat is trying ot get in my veggies.  
18:40 < aestetix_> I HATE MILLENNIALS
18:40 < aestetix_> the fresh out of college kids around here are worthless
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19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> wow....
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think this grad student just black listed himself
19:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> I know he did with me and my partner
19:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can't send unprofessional emails at this level, and insult everyone ... I'm kinda dumbfounded
19:09 <@wilpig> "it was really obvious to three of us what you meant"
19:09 <@wilpig> what did I mean
19:09 <@wilpig> " you know what you meant.  because i'm israeli and fire bombing"
19:09 <@wilpig> what?
19:10 <@wilpig> I don't care where you're from, what religion you are or what color you are.  If I have to resort to that for an insult I have no place in the conversation.  I have nothing to say
19:10 <@wilpig> I swear
19:10 <@wilpig> I appologize and he says "I don't believe you"
19:11 <@wilpig> so I asked him where he got off calling me a liar
19:11 <@wilpig> for the record as far as israel and palastine are concerned.  I lump them in with iraq, saudi arabia, etc.  NUKE THEM ALL.  flatten them entirely.  no more people, no more fighting
19:11 <@wilpig> send in the oil drilling robots
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19:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: how dare you you anti-zionist
19:43 <@wilpig> zio-what?
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> zionist = pro isreal state being founded/existing
19:44 <@wilpig> is that pro-nuking things?  cause if so that's probably true
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
19:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
19:44 < aestetix_> just tell him
19:44 < aestetix_> "kill them all, god will choose his own"
19:44 <@wilpig> fuck them.  I seriously don't care what those people do
19:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, its stupid
19:44 <@wilpig> they're fighting in the name of a fake being that didn't make shit
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> just message him back and be like " I didn't know, nor do I care that you are silly enough to believe in an invisible man in the sky"
19:45 <@wilpig> religion is a means to control the population and instill some form of moral compass to tell people how to behave
19:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> that'll settle everything down
19:46 <@wilpig> this is seriously going to eat at me all weekend
19:48 < aestetix_> wilpig: you did what you can
19:48 < aestetix_> wilpig: is anything happening to you?
19:49 <@wilpig> not as of yet
19:49 <@wilpig> my boss is headed out to defcon for the weekend
19:50 <@wilpig> so if anything happens it will be monday or tuesday and if i'm on here bitching about having to goto NY you'll know
19:50 < aestetix_> heh
19:56 < aestetix_> you know
19:56 < aestetix_> that's not actually racist
19:56 < aestetix_> it's a comment about location, not ethnicity
19:59 <@Dagmar> It's unlikely to be serious.
19:59 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, it'll be serious, but not anything major.
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20:00 <@Dagmar> HR will consider the matter settled once you've explained you had no idea where he was from and that you were not in fact trying to take a cheap shot
20:01 < aestetix_> introduce them to me, I can show them what being offensive is actually like
20:01 <@wilpig> I know damn well where he's from.  still don't care
20:01 <@wilpig> I no more care about a war going on half way around the world than he does about tater day
20:02 <@Dagmar> You're probably going to have a harder time explaining the whole _arson_ thing
20:02 <@Dagmar> hehe
20:02 <@wilpig> I've explained my button many times
20:03 <@wilpig> if only I had a button to deal with stupidity on the internet.  our landscape would be pockmarked from the overuse
20:04 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck
20:04 <@wilpig> not right now.  i'm kinda pissed
20:04 < aestetix_> wilpig: I've done that with twitter
20:04 < aestetix_> By leaving it
20:04 < aestetix_> Or at least ignoring it for a month
20:05 <@Dagmar> Fucking half-inch hail on it's way
20:05 <@wilpig> lovely
20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: did you wax your car?
20:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> or plan to work on it?
20:09 <@Dagmar> No, I did not
20:09 <@Dagmar> THis is a good point.  we're probably safe.
20:09 < aestetix_> give your car a brazillian
20:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> if you in one day would wash your car, wax it and replace the windshield wipers
20:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd probably have to sue you for I-65, 440 and 24 for collapsing
20:14 <@Dagmar> Tornadoes would be everywhere.
20:14 < RangerZ|Laptop> and every building in nashville would be flooded... data center first
20:14 <@Dagmar> possibly filled with sharks
20:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....
20:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> as long as we have a small army of D/E list actors to come save us
20:16 <@wilpig> bah.  I need to get up and fix some dinner
20:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> you need a mrs piggy
20:17 <@Dagmar> o.O
20:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> to cook him dinner
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20:42 <@wilpig> aestetix_: have fun with this.  http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron
20:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
20:50 <@wilpig> wow.  counselors told me it's not my fault, it's society's fault that I am the way I am.    just wow.
20:50 <@wilpig> got her tits hanging out and she's pissed off that people keep talking about them.  heh
20:52 <@Dagmar> Oh shit, seriously?
20:52 <@Dagmar> SHe's _still_ going on about that
20:52 <@Dagmar> I saw her last night and all I could think was "BREAK OUT THE BANHAMMER WOMAN!"
20:53 <@Dagmar> Hell, that's work she could subcontract out for free
20:54 <@Dagmar> "COME AND BAN SOME MOTHERFUCKERS UNTIL YOUR CLICKING FINGER GETS TIRED!"
20:54 <@wilpig> she needs a dose of reality
20:54 <@wilpig> and a dictionary
20:55 <@Dagmar> What Twitch needs is a scripting framework for the efficient banning of dipshits
20:56 <@Dagmar> ...or, as I have just learned, TURN ON R9KBETA
20:57 <@Dagmar> She's either dim or she's just looking to attract sheer numbers of idiots as far as i can tell, because she clearly doesn't have that enabled
20:57 <@Dagmar> http://blog.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/
21:00 < aestetix_> what is twitch?
21:00 <@wilpig> game streaming service
21:02 <@Dagmar> ...and the chat windows serve as a douchebag broadcasting network.
21:02 < aestetix_> I didn't look at the ilnk yet
21:02 <@Dagmar> You should.
21:02 < aestetix_> but please tell me she's not getting mad about something smoeone says in a game service chat window
21:02 < aestetix_> is the twitch link sfw?
21:02 <@wilpig> yes
21:02 <@Dagmar> It demonstrates perfectly how these newbies have failed to learn the lessons everyone who has ever been an op in an IRC channel learned long ago.
21:03 <@Dagmar> BAN EARLY AND BAN OFTEN.
21:03 <@wilpig> unless you can't hear some fauxminist bitching
21:03 <@Dagmar> I'm telling you this was one of the channels I looked at last night while I was perusing how much Twitch lost by turning on ContentID
21:03 <@Dagmar> There is no way she isn't deliberately letting these fuckers flood in to pad her viewership
21:04 <@wilpig> she was getting money from them
21:04 <@wilpig> I swear i've heard that money sound from a camwhore site somewhere too
21:04 < aestetix_> this is recorded right?
21:04 <@Dagmar> No one in their right mind would exhibit this kind of vitriol for these tards two nights in a row without an ulterior motive
21:04 <@Dagmar> wilpig: Twitch doesn't do tips
21:05 <@Dagmar> She may *be* camwhoring at the same time
21:05 < aestetix_> or is this live
21:05 <@wilpig> hrmm.  that might be it.
21:05 <@Dagmar> It's generally live.
21:05 < aestetix_> so she's watching the comments and getting mad?
21:06 <@Dagmar> That would be what one might assume
21:06 < aestetix_> she fails the internet
21:06 <@Dagmar> But this is basically the same non-stop bitch-fest I heard last night
21:06 < aestetix_> a team of lawyers?
21:06 <@Dagmar> Either she's mentally handicapped or she's gaming the system
21:06 < aestetix_> what is the money for?
21:07 <@Dagmar> I've no idea since all the channels are free
21:07 <@Dagmar> But you can see how she's literally _just_ feeding the trolls.
21:08 < aestetix_> yes
21:08 <@wilpig> Dagmar: what was that site that you sent me the soudn from?
21:08 <@wilpig> I keep hearing that sound
21:08 <@Dagmar> I suspect that perhaps at least 2000 of her 5,965 viewers are only there because she's feeding the trolls
21:08 <@Dagmar> MyFreeCams
21:08 <@wilpig> looking now
21:08 <@Dagmar> It's an _old_ sound effect that came with like WfWG 3.11
21:08 <@Dagmar> ...but it's the sound the camgirl client makes when they're tipped
21:09 <@wilpig> that's what keeps happening
21:09 <@wilpig> she is getting "tips" and you see coins in front of her
21:09 <@Dagmar> That her logo is a satire of the Brazzers logo is just enticing them to come in and b
21:09 <@Dagmar> what
21:09 <@Dagmar> She scored "seventy-nine percent" on an IQ test?
21:09 < aestetix_> wilpig: get her a job at tumblr
21:09 <@Dagmar> What
21:10 <@Dagmar> HOW STUPID IS SHE?  DEAR GOD
21:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah she's clearly just enticing the trolls.
21:10 <@Dagmar> Gaming the system and degrading the service
21:11 <@wilpig> "literally ruining"
21:12 <@Dagmar> Oh lol I think she *is* camwhoring at the same time
21:12 <@Dagmar> Lemme see....
21:13 <@Dagmar> Yep.  She's apparently literally a professional troll feeder
21:13 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLezIkaTB-g
21:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: RIP Kaceytrons Sub Button - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:13 <@Dagmar> Take a look at the _date_ on that
21:13 <@wilpig> https://streamtip.com/t/kaceytron
21:13 <@GateKeeper> Title: Streamtip (at streamtip.com)
21:13 <@wilpig> there it is
21:16 <@wilpig> Dagmar: I don't get it.
21:16 <@Dagmar> Yep she's a professional camwhore apparently.
21:17 <@Dagmar> She mentioned "pornhubs lawyers" earlier as if she could get them to do things for her, so I combined kaceytron and pornhub for Google and all sorts of backstory falls out
21:17 <@Dagmar> There are apparently _lots_ of people calling her out on the deliberate collection of trolls
21:18 <@wilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8gl9qCMH8o
21:18 <@GateKeeper> Title: Who is Kaycetron? - Gwennys Games - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:29 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT-TGvYOBpI
21:30 <@Dagmar> If they get bought they're going to surely be changing the rules just to get rid of her
21:31 <@Dagmar> At the moment it looks like she's not breaking any of the rules directly, but it's clear this is completely toxic behaviour
21:34 <@Dagmar> Okay.
21:34 <@Dagmar> I have to give Gwenny some credit here
21:35 <@Dagmar> I thought she was being a twit by saying she thought Kaceytron was a genuis
21:35 <@Dagmar> ...but then she decents into total parody mode.
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21:37 <@Dagmar> ....and REDDIT FILLS IN THE BLANKS
21:55 < aestetix_> fuck I am getting fat
21:57 < aestetix_> wilpig: you saw me recently, you can attest to that :/
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22:02 <@Dagmar> lol
22:02 <@Dagmar> In another channel I'm in someone was just wondering why their new Wp theme wasn't working
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22:03 <@Dagmar> They said error_log wasn't showing anything.
22:03 <@Dagmar> I'm like "Is the server _down_?"
22:03 <@Dagmar> "Then it's probably compromised."
22:03 <@Dagmar> Then they find <?php include('images/social.png'); ?> at the end of functions.php
22:04 <@Dagmar> I was finally betting them "the MOON" it was compromised
22:07 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/nqU5Ewt2
22:07 <@GateKeeper> Title: [PHP] (at pastebin.com)
22:15 <@wilpig> gees
22:15 < aestetix_> Wow
22:15 < aestetix_> Dan Geer tells the audits "either support it or open source it"
22:15 < aestetix_> I love that idea. Make everything pre-windows xp open source
22:24 <@oddball> I... uh... https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/1606954_10152518780310817_4368547275854017143_n.jpg
22:26 <@Dagmar> Wow.  Okay.  That's nasty
22:26 <@Dagmar> SFW tho
22:26 <@Dagmar> One hell of a pinewood derby car tho
22:26 <@Dagmar> Not really sure how _legal_ that is tho
22:52 <@wilpig> I would think not legal at all
22:56 <@oddball> As far as a pine wood derby goes?  Yeah... I'm going to go with no.
22:56 <@wilpig> as far as switch blades go, that would also be a no
22:57 <@oddball> To just have?  As of July 1st of this year in this state? Perfectly legal.
22:59 <@oddball> Now, the state wilpig now resides in... that's a different story.
23:14 <@Dagmar> Judging from the picture, that is actually the real pinewood derby car, but with a knifeblade in the front
23:18 <@oddball> Nope.  It's a Benchmade brand switchblade turned into a car.
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