--- Log opened Mon Aug 04 00:00:08 2014 00:10 < aestetix_> uhhhh 00:13 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Screw you guys, I'm goin home] 00:14 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: wow 00:14 < aestetix_> san francisco is so broken 00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much 00:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> prostitution is going to go the way of pot, just give it 10~15 years after pot is legalized and taxed to hell 00:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> just need one state in the midwest/south to legalize & regulate it, b/c NV is too far , and it'll start a domino effect 00:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> TN would actually be the best, since its so central, but I doubt it'll happen here, need some place less "bible belt"y 00:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:28 <@Dagmar> Wow 00:29 <@Dagmar> I've got some entitled prats really pissed off at me on Facebook 00:29 <@Dagmar> wheee 00:29 <@Dagmar> There was a carp about tip wages still being horrible. 00:29 <@Dagmar> Some jackass comes back with "blah blah no one can define 'fair'" 00:30 <@Dagmar> I suggested perhaps that the average rent/mortgage in a 25-mile radius around the restaurant times three should be their wages, since you can't really hope to sign a lease for more than a third of your household income 00:31 <@Dagmar> They flipped their shit 00:31 <@Dagmar> Expecting someone to spend more than half their waking hours catering to your whims for the priviledge of staying one step ahead of starvation is _not_ fair. 00:32 <@Dagmar> We can very *easily* define "fair" when it comes to money 00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, thats actually not a bad formula 00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'd say 4x, really 00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> but 3x minimum 00:33 < aestetix_> Dagmar: it might be worth asking them if they have ever worked for tips 00:33 < aestetix_> Because I think there's a non-trivial chance their answer will be no 00:33 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I tend to go with 4x 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm in favor of tips being abolished, and it only existing for when a person does an 'excellent' job, not just a normal one 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c me 'having' to tip, just means your boss isn't paying you enough 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> its actually really insulting when you think about it 00:34 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: and you know the argument in favor of them, right? 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> reaganomics? 00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> trickle-down 00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:35 < aestetix_> Well I was more thinking if they are doing a good job, they will naturally get paid more 00:35 < aestetix_> The logic is that tips are basically commission. Except that most sales people also get a base salary that's not poverty level 00:36 < aestetix_> Of course that makes a number of assumptions that aren't true 00:36 < aestetix_> Such as equal and consistent demand, etc 00:36 < aestetix_> Also a cute girl is going to make more in tips than an old guy 00:37 < aestetix_> Even though the old guy works just as hard 00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh you'll love this one... my cousin , and like 10 years ago... an ex.. work at this hot dog shoppe back home... and they get paid min. wage 00:37 < aestetix_> your cousin is an ex? 00:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> two people, I'm not from WV 00:37 < aestetix_> lol 00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> but they have to put their tips into a box, and if at the end of 2 weeks, if you called off once or were late more than 15min, you don't get any tips 00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> and the tips are divided equally among all the employees 00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> I feel like thats even worse than tips 00:38 < aestetix_> removing all incentive to perform better than others 00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> not only that, but if she calls off b/c her kid is sick... she is hurt financially more than any other possible job situation 00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> at that point, I'd just call off the rest of the week, and just work day labor, and you'd probably come out ahead 00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> you'd at least get 8~9$/hr then, and not 7.25 00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> though... just raising min. wage to 12.50/hr or 15 would solve a lot of problems 00:50 < aestetix_> except prices would go up 01:10 <@Dagmar> kik 01:10 <@Dagmar> er lol 01:11 <@Dagmar> I just saw a screenshot of one of our more notorious spoofer's reaction to a portal he took out 01:11 <@Dagmar> It's the Ganier park one. 01:11 <@Dagmar> It's a 25-story hill. 01:12 <@Dagmar> He was clearly _livid_ when he got there 01:12 <@Dagmar> Defintiely didn't spoof that 01:15 <@Dagmar> https://www.ingress.com/intel?ll=36.064071,-86.782338&z=14 01:15 <@GateKeeper> Title: Ingress (at www.ingress.com) 01:24 <@Dagmar> People see it and thing "It's only 1.5 miles. I can do that" 01:24 <@Dagmar> s/thing/think/ 01:25 <@Dagmar> That marker is at the highest point on the trail 01:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYHE6HPeYws thats amusing as hell 01:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Satanists Use Hobby Lobby Decision Against Pro-Life Propaganda - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> well... as Satan ;) 01:53 <@Dagmar> Stop pinging me 02:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> touché 02:35 < aestetix_> penis 03:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/07/army-developing-3d-printers-make-food/90284/ I want my damn replicator 03:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: The Army Is Developing (at www.defenseone.com) 03:28 < aestetix_> so 03:28 < aestetix_> I just watched Fast Times from Ridgemont High for the first time 03:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 03:28 < aestetix_> It seems like all these 80s movies have lots of sex and drugs in them 03:28 < aestetix_> And I guess Americans as a culture got more conservative 03:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> not really, its just that that movie, like most, flew under the radar of most conservatives , plus the rating system allows the studios to say "well we rated it R", etc 03:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> "something about mary" and its 'hair gel' got enough ire, lol 03:33 < aestetix_> I've never seen either of those 03:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> only one movie, 'something about mary" had a "hair gel" scene that got a lot of talk in conservative circles 03:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> hell google image search is almost entirely pics of her hair up b/c of the 'gel' 03:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> I was watching something, about how the history of the rating system has allowed studios to make much more adult films that didn't stick the to the old studio rules that prevented 'revenge plots' among all the other 'we make clean movies' 03:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> ...rules... 03:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> alright... forgetting parts of sentences... time to go to sleep 04:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107 120GB SSD for 55$ 04:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> not terrible speeds on the IOPs either 04:15 < aestetix_> sleep huh? ;) 04:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> ehh... I'm ADHD enough that I even interupt my falling asleep, lol 04:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> i realized that I could throw a new load of dishes and laundry in, and then realized how to refactor something in the next round of MOOC(s) code 04:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> and then... yeah... 05:04 < aestetix_> are you writing MOOC code? 05:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah 05:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> well, code that will be used in moocs for assignments, examples, and projects 05:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> not the code to 'host' the moocs 05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://www.people.com/article/paul-feig-ghostbusters-reboot-female 05:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Paul Feig in Talks for All-Female Ghostbusters Reboot : People.com (at www.people.com) 05:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> .... 05:13 < RangerZ|Laptop> I just don't understand why you'd make it all female main cast 05:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> what target audience would you be going for? the females who never saw the first movies? 05:43 < aestetix_> to empower women, duh 05:43 < aestetix_> freeing the ghostbusters franchise from the patriarchy 05:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> i swear... that entire 'thing' sounds like a bad romcom setup 07:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> don't swear at us 07:35 <@Dolemite> I'm not swearing, just calling it like a I see it :) 07:36 <@Dolemite> s/a // 07:40 < aestetix_> Jesus. 07:40 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jutuEhkSnCU 07:40 < aestetix_> That was amazing to watch 07:58 <@wilpig> wtf does that have to do with potato salad?! 08:08 < aestetix_> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/education/edlife/how-to-learn-the-law-without-law-school.html 08:45 <@wilpig> damnit damnit damnit damnit 08:46 <@wilpig> i've got a drive failing in my vm server 08:54 < frsilent> lol so my mom emailed me a word problem about her retirement & death if anyone wants to take a look at it, https://gist.github.com/frsilent/4a3b772025d1f9d1da6d 08:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: gist:4a3b772025d1f9d1da6d (at gist.github.com) 09:16 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 09:34 <@critch> frsilent: one data point is missing from the word problem. What is the age of your mom? That would help determine how long she sould be collecting. She might also want to verify her claim that there wouldn't be a penalty for drawing her SS before retiring. There used to be penaltied if you made too much money and had SS payments. Made it diffictult on my mom regarding her getting survivors benefits when my dad died. 09:34 <@Dagmar> /window balance 09:34 <@Dagmar> bleh 09:35 <@oddball> critch: By the way, apparently that server rack is all sorts of non-standard. :/ 09:35 <@critch> Dagmar: windows doesn't balance, they just crash. 09:35 <@critch> oddball: is it not 19"? 09:35 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: The original Ghostbusters didn't sell enough skimpy bikini group shots 09:36 <@Dagmar> Also... a different kind of 'can not unsee' for you all this morning: http://us.loudmouthgolf.com/ 09:36 <@GateKeeper> Title: Loudmouth Golf Home (at us.loudmouthgolf.com) 09:37 <@oddball> critch: it only has the front set of screw holes, and a number of those screw holes are drilled out to be useless with no real pattern. 09:37 <@oddball> And it's more like 18.5" 09:37 <@critch> I think there is a pattern, and they are just not tapped. I think they are meant to use a captured nut on those holes. 09:37 <@oddball> The shelves that Jon had with the rack won't fit in it. 09:38 <@Dagmar> Just stretch it a little. ;) 09:38 <@critch> I bet the shelves where intended for the 2 poster. 09:39 <@oddball> I actually can make the shelves for the 2 poster work. It's the shelves that have 2 sets of brackets that don't work. 09:39 <@critch> ahh 09:40 <@oddball> I made it work, but it's... not exactly professional. 09:40 <@critch> my legs are still burning 09:40 <@wilpig> critch: use a fire extinguisher? 09:40 <@critch> and for the Corydon76-home reference, not enough penetration. 09:40 <@oddball> Oh, and I dropped the car off at the mechanic's this morning. Good news is that my legs still worked for the walk home. 09:41 <@Dickie> I see the assassins were unsuccessful 09:41 <@oddball> Nope. I'm a ninja, didn't you know? 09:41 <@Corydon76-home> critch: I'm missing something 09:41 <@Dagmar> critch: Is it just me, or are these going to corner badly now http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcd/4574963761.html 09:41 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2014 CUSTOM RUCKUS w STRETCHED FRAME clone (at nashville.craigslist.org) 09:41 <@critch> Corydon76-home: not really, 09:41 <@wilpig> Dickie: dressing up a cat as a ninja doesn't make it an assassin 09:42 <@Dagmar> wilpig: No, it being a small homocidal maniac handles that part 09:42 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, it will, but stretching two-wheeled vehicles has never been about performance. 09:42 <@critch> Dagmar: I think it being 50cc will make it handle bad, but you aren't up to a normal bike size yet. 09:42 <@Dagmar> oddball: Look at the back wheel closely 09:43 <@critch> Oh, you are talking about the car tire? 09:43 <@Dagmar> Critch: 50cc doesn't affect how it handles. It'll sound like crap, but it won'd affect the handling 09:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah. 09:43 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck were they thinking with a square profile tire 09:43 <@critch> Depends on the air pressure. Look into darkside riding 09:43 <@Dagmar> It's 50cc. 09:44 <@critch> Used to be more bikes had car tires. They last longer. 09:44 <@Dagmar> Not only does it not weigh enough to significantly deform the tire, squishy rear tires is how you hit things head on 09:44 <@oddball> It was clearly modded for/by someone that wanted to look cool and didn't give a shit about performance. Of course, they fucked up the "looking cool" part by riding a scooter. :p 09:44 <@Dagmar> I'd say they should have selected sommething other than a Ruckus 09:45 <@critch> Dagmar: http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/ 09:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tales From the Dark Side: Putting Car Tires on Motorcycles | Rider Magazine (at www.ridermagazine.com) 09:45 <@Dagmar> It's a few farings away from being a single-seater golf cart 09:45 <@oddball> I actually kind of like the goofy looks of the Ruckus. 09:47 <@oddball> Of course, I also kind of want a Kel-tec Sub-2000 because of its "I cobbled this together in my basement" looks: http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/sub-2000/rifle/ 09:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: SUB-2000 | Rifles | Kel-tec (at www.keltecweapons.com) 09:50 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm going to go with my reasonable levels of engineering skillery and say I think those square profile tires are a really bad idea 09:50 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 09:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 10:07 <@Dagmar> Desire to strangle... rising... 10:07 <@Dagmar> I'm getting fussed at because I set up someone's VIP and didn't test it. 10:07 <@Dagmar> ...becuase when they put in the request, their damn server wasn't answering queries 10:07 <@Dagmar> ...and their server is doing something bizarre with it's vhost shit 10:08 <@Dagmar> NOT MY PROBLEM, BITCHES 10:08 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@c-98-240-51-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:08 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@c-98-240-51-138.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:08 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 10:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 10:09 <@Dagmar> You don't have any choice but to do that 10:09 <@Dagmar> wrong chan 11:30 < frsilent> critch: sorry for the late response; my mother is 69 this week 11:31 <@wilpig> hehehe hehehe hehehe slut 11:31 <@wilpig> 11:41 <@wilpig> Dagmar, RangerZ|Laptop: have either of you leveled a ranger? the costume is ridiculous 11:47 < frsilent> lol 11:47 < frsilent> wilpig: mmo? 11:47 <@wilpig> rpg. bravely default 12:00 -!- CRasH180 [~CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:02 <@shapr> klixa: y0w! 12:03 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 12:24 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32 <@oddball> cop tasers himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVzPS4TshY8 12:32 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cop Tasers Himself - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 12:32 <@shapr> @yow 12:43 <@klixa> shapr: hey; i just heard of a new tv show called Halt and Catch Fire 12:43 <@oddball> I still need to watch that. Heard it's pretty good. 12:43 <@klixa> oddball: the preview looked good 12:44 <@shapr> sounds computery 12:44 <@klixa> by tonight i will have all eps and then im gonna watch it 12:44 <@oddball> cool 12:44 <@klixa> it is computery...it takes place in 1983 in texas 12:45 <@klixa> computery shows are my favorite; Silicon Valley, IT Crowd and now this 12:46 < frsilent> silicon valley is hysterical to me....especially dealing with people that I can match perfectly to its characters 12:46 < frsilent> like this guy... http://onepercentbreadsticks.com/aint-no-rest-for-the-wicked 12:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Aint No Rest For the Wicked (at onepercentbreadsticks.com) 12:46 < frsilent> "my time is everybody's money" 12:47 <@klixa> lol 12:48 < frsilent> also he has a spat in there about him never accepting VC investment...when my company's owner has put at least a million into his startup already 12:48 < frsilent> I've been really tempted to share his personal blog with my CTO... 12:54 <@klixa> i thought it was a satirical article :/ 12:55 < frsilent> yeah.... I wish 12:57 <@klixa> what a douche then 12:58 <@klixa> also, if his time is so precious, why is he going to the apple store himsel! 12:58 <@klixa> or taking the time to rite a lame blog 13:04 < frsilent> worst part is seeing people buy into bullshit =\ I was writing a windows service in flask in feb or so & my CTO told me to contact that guy if I had any questions 13:04 < frsilent> I was just like "heh....I think I'll just check the documentation..." 13:07 <@wilpig> what if the dude writes documentation like i do? you'd be screwed 13:09 < frsilent> lol, still would rather hack at it then email some dude that my CTO believes is an amazing programmer because he told him he was 13:09 <@klixa> he even looks like a douche 13:09 <@klixa> with his north face outfit on 13:12 < frsilent> =) it makes me glad to know I'm not the only one...sometimes I feel like an island of sanity 13:13 <@klixa> hehe, yeah you're not the only one 13:33 <@wilpig> klixa: wanna play? https://40.media.tumblr.com/a06413cf535caa0db75d0259e01ed234/tumblr_n9satit0Vx1qgav8po1_500.jpg 13:41 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 13:54 <@klixa> lol 14:15 -!- RangerZ|Laptop1 [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has joined #se2600 14:15 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07 -!- trinaldi [~trinaldi@189.63.217.47] has joined #se2600 15:08 -!- trinaldi [~trinaldi@189.63.217.47] has left #se2600 ["Later!"] 16:21 < aestetix_> frsilent: do you mean the show silicon valley? 16:22 * aestetix_ reads article 16:24 < aestetix_> frsilent: god that was accurate 16:25 < aestetix_> VCs are fucking evil 16:29 < frsilent> yeah, but that article's written by a guy my company has to work with 16:30 < frsilent> a) he's arrogant as all hell...came into our office about 6 months ago basically stating that he could right in a week what most developers took months to do 16:30 < aestetix_> frsilent: two things about the article though 16:30 < aestetix_> 1. time management 2. learn how to say "no" 16:30 < frsilent> b) he bitches about VCs...then says he doesn't take money from VCs...& my company's owner seeded his startup with at least 1 million these past 6 mo 16:30 -!- RangerZ|Laptop1 [~rangerz@129.59.115.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32 < aestetix_> frsilent: wow. that's a really arrogant claim to make 16:32 < aestetix_> is he a young hotshot or something? 16:34 <@shapr> SHAZAM! 16:34 <@shapr> !quote 16:34 <@GateKeeper> shapr: quote 16:34 < aestetix_> I dunno. When money gets involved I tend to get way more conservative about things. 16:34 <@shapr> klixa: so, when you coming to town? 16:35 * wilpig hits shapr with a ruler 16:35 <@wilpig> no! 16:35 < aestetix_> Also, I doubt a VC would care about the cost of a laptop unless there are other things that also cost that much on his expense report 16:35 <@shapr> wilpig: why not? 16:35 <@shapr> it'll be EXCITING! 16:35 <@shapr> my life has been boring for the past few months 16:35 <@wilpig> dibs 16:35 <@shapr> psh, as if 16:35 <@wilpig> lol 16:36 <@Dagmar> Sheesh 16:36 <@Dagmar> I almost just came back to the office to tell an admin to go find his damn physical box and call me 16:36 <@Dagmar> The only location information I had was basically 'SunGard'. 16:37 < frsilent> aestetix_: yeah...needless to say he's been late on quite a few things & really likes to over-complicate issues 16:37 <@Dagmar> 20 minutes for help desk to confirm that I had indeed filed the paperwork to gain access to the DC, 20 minutes for me to search the whole room and find the fucking thing. 16:37 < aestetix_> frsilent: this isn't to say that VCs are not heartless douchebags 16:37 <@Dagmar> *45 minutes on the parking meter* 16:37 < aestetix_> But it is to say that it sounds like there is more to the story :) 16:37 <@shapr> I always figured the data centers would give you aisle numbers 16:37 <@shapr> Mind you, I haven't been in a NOC in years. 16:38 < frsilent> & my CTO is kind of...dumb & has a tendency to value people based on their arrogance 16:39 < aestetix_> frsilent: 16:39 < aestetix_> wilpig: http://highscalability.com/blog/2014/8/4/tumblr-hashing-your-way-to-handling-23000-blog-requests-per.html 16:41 <@Dagmar> shapr: The datacenter does. The online inventory, on the other hand, didn't say shit about where the machine actually was. 16:41 <@Dagmar> I had to search nine rows of racks 16:41 <@shapr> yuck 16:47 <@wilpig> aestetix_: neat. I can unofficially say we have more servers than that 16:47 < aestetix_> Over 2800 servers, less than 20% are used for blog serving functionality 16:48 < aestetix_> the rest are for porn and cat photos? 16:48 <@Dagmar> So... now fully trolling some people on Facebook who are complaining about the rich being unfairly taxed 16:48 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that they jumped on a post about the tipped minimum wage being too low to start this argument 16:48 <@wilpig> the rest cover applications. scaling images, etc 16:48 < aestetix_> Dagmar: is it public? 16:48 <@wilpig> processor intense shit 16:48 < aestetix_> IE can I view it without a facebook account 16:48 <@Dagmar> Dude is an endless source of bad argumentation, and since he's being a looney little dick, well... the gloves have come off. 16:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I dunno. Lemme see 16:49 <@Dagmar> He posted a picture of his two cars in front of his house... both BMW, one being a little convertible. 16:49 <@Dagmar> I gave him my condolences about the small penis and rebutted his other arguments. 16:50 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to get him to run his mouth about the "death tax" since it appears he's one of _those_ kinds of idiots. 16:50 <@Dagmar> I can't wait to say "So you have more than five and a half million in assets you're planning on bequeathing to your mistress?" 16:50 <@Dagmar> "You must really hate your family, dude." 16:51 <@Dagmar> Since he's trying to impress me, I can't wait to tell him "I think I peed in one of those once, but you don't look like the driver so it probably wasn't yours" 16:52 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I've never understood using objects to impress others. Especially given that those can easily be acquired in exchange for reckless debt. 16:53 < aestetix_> Now that I think about it, I wonder how much debt all those seemingly well-to-do families in the suburbs actually have. 16:55 <@sasquatc4> most of the time, alot 16:55 < aestetix_> So none of them are actually well-to-do 16:55 <@sasquatc4> when all the shit hit the fan you could drive through the fancy neighborhoods here and half the houses were for sale or foreclosed on because they are all living on the edge anyway 16:56 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Oh I'm sure they're not fully paid for. 16:56 < frsilent> aestetix_: common term is a "30k millionaire" 16:56 < aestetix_> wow 16:56 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: ...but when people make so many stupid mistakes at once, you can only pick on so many of them at a time. 16:57 < aestetix_> sasquatc4: so basically the idea of having 6 months of a nest egg is long dead for them 16:57 <@Dagmar> Bleh I can't get facebook to cough up a direct link 16:59 <@sasquatc4> yea 17:00 < aestetix_> sasquatc4: sounds like they were having an American Dream and then woke up ;) 17:00 <@sasquatc4> like one guy i work with, who's a manager at this point, 2 kids, probably could 'afford' to live in one of those giant houses but he took the other route and now owns 3 houses 17:00 <@sasquatc4> so he's still living on the edge 17:00 <@sasquatc4> trying to get by by renting them 17:00 < aestetix_> I assume he rents out two of them? 17:00 <@sasquatc4> yea 17:00 < aestetix_> then how is he living on the edge 17:02 <@sasquatc4> just from things ive heard him say in passing, sounds like rent doesnt cover everything plus he's always having to do work on them 17:02 < aestetix_> Then why doesn't he fucking raise the rent 17:02 < aestetix_> Or did he get a shitty expensive mortgage rate 17:03 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, maybe that, i know rents here are already rediculous and going higher, friend of mine has to move out this month cause his landlord is raising his like 400-600$ 17:03 < aestetix_> no rent control there? 17:04 <@sasquatc4> nope 17:05 <@sasquatc4> he was already paying 500$ more than me a month for a 1bed furnished downtown, vs my mortgage on a 3/3 house, rents are just out of control here 17:05 < aestetix_> where are you? 17:06 <@sasquatc4> denver 17:07 <@Dagmar> I like that I have this dude pinned as being just fine with the standard of living in America being that people must live four to an apartment 17:07 <@wilpig> sasquatc4: you're there where my sister is 17:08 <@wilpig> Dagmar: i'd be highly amused to see you have three roommates 17:08 <@wilpig> someone would end up missing. 17:08 <@Dagmar> If I wanted to be a real dickhead I'd tell him I was glad for his sake that he was a white guy so that he could pull himself up out of poverty 17:08 <@Dagmar> ...but it looks like he's just deeply the fuck in debt from where I stand. 17:09 <@Dagmar> ...and at every turn he gets further and further away from being able to show he knows the first thing about living at minimum wage 17:09 <@Dagmar> wilpig: I don't really have a problem with housemates 17:10 <@Dagmar> However, some people feel that part of having a life means taking a spouse 17:10 <@Dagmar> ...and there's no such thing as a single-income household at minimum wage 17:10 < aestetix_> Dagmar: yes there is 17:10 < aestetix_> it's called a cardboard box 17:11 <@Dagmar> No, that's a single-income box hovel. 17:11 < aestetix_> So it sounds like some of these people are in so much debt they will never get out of it 17:11 < aestetix_> How do we not call that poverty? 17:11 <@Dagmar> I call that a 'gilded cage', personally. 17:12 < aestetix_> Besides a few student loans things, I actually have no debt 17:12 <@Dagmar> ...but these oligarch worshippers are quite willing to say "Oh well that was their bad financial planning" when the inevitable happens and those people miss a payment and "the system" starts taking everything from them in the form of fees and debt collectors. 17:13 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that they were told at every step of the way that everything was going to be fine, by the people insisting they could take on greater and greater liabilities 17:14 < aestetix_> Everyone tells me I need to get a credit card 17:14 < aestetix_> I kind of shrug that off 17:15 <@wilpig> aestetix_: ask Mirage what fun it was to buy a house when he hadn't used a credit card in many years? ever? 17:16 <@wilpig> alright i'm outta here 17:16 <@wilpig> later 17:16 < aestetix_> wilpig: if you show up with 20% in cash, that's kind of a sign you're responsible 17:16 <@Dagmar> "We're going to need you to go downstairs to the clinic where they will extract one of your testicles and keep it in the jar as a retainer" 17:16 < aestetix_> I think that's the traditional way to handle a mortgage 17:16 < aestetix_> show up with 20-25% down 17:16 <@Dagmar> I intend to show up with more like 60-70%. 17:16 <@Dagmar> If not skipping the loan thing entirely. 17:17 < aestetix_> sure 17:17 <@Dagmar> At 60-70% if they want to hem and haw I'm quite sure I can find a credit union who would cut me that deal in the blink of an eye 17:18 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:18 < aestetix_> That said, I've come to believe that credit is what we have to replace the fact our society no longer has social reputation 17:18 <@Dagmar> No, credit is the system by which we finance the wasteful excesses of the entitled rich elites. 17:18 < aestetix_> heh 17:19 <@Dagmar> There is no rational belief system under which it is fair to say "Okay, I'll buy you a house, if in return, you buy two houses for me" 17:19 < RangerZ> Charging for loaning money, is actually against the bible and quaran 17:19 <@Dagmar> Then you just inflate the value of the currency to the point where everything costs more than people can afford up front, and then convince them that they have to go deeply into debt to live "like an American" 17:19 < RangerZ> which is why the jews were 'made' to be bankers 17:19 < RangerZ> yeah... that was smart... 17:19 < RangerZ> lol 17:20 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Well, usury is. _reasonable_ loans are not usury 17:20 < RangerZ> *shrugs*, which banks give out 'reasonable' loans?lol 17:20 < aestetix_> RangerZ: unreasonable charges for loans is bad 17:21 < aestetix_> Dagmar: oh so the federal reserve is to blame for all this? :) 17:21 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I think they shoud cut out the middlement and deal directly with taxpayers. 17:22 <@Dagmar> Especially seeing as how the banks have shown that they are not responsible enough to be the recipient of all that free government money 17:24 < aestetix_> you know 17:24 < aestetix_> we haven't had bank runs since 1933. but we have had meltdowns 17:24 < aestetix_> at least one 17:25 <@Dagmar> We should go back to having those 17:25 < aestetix_> bank runs? 17:25 <@Dagmar> ...and bank failures. 17:26 < RangerZ> or prison for bank execs who have failed banks 17:26 <@Dagmar> Let people see just how "important" these bankers are treating the idea of storing money safely. 17:26 < RangerZ> that would solve it 17:26 < aestetix_> heh 17:26 < aestetix_> this is one of the areas where I kind of support the federal government running things 17:26 < RangerZ> I get that we need "liquidity" in the market, but I am starting to get the feeling that we have too much of it 17:27 < aestetix_> partly because I read about all the issues we had when states ran the banks 17:27 < aestetix_> emphasis on "kind of" because there are major issues either way 17:28 < aestetix_> RangerZ: yeah, but the fed isn't going to raise interest rates and risk tanking the economy when it's just starting to grow 17:28 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:28 < aestetix_> well at leaset, bernanke wouldn't. I don't know about yellem 17:28 < aestetix_> yellen* 17:48 <@Dagmar> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/mount-your-hard-drive-on-your-ram-with-apacers-new-memory-sticks/ 17:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mount your hard drive on your RAM? | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 17:48 <@Dagmar> ...before anyone sees one of those in the wild and panics. 17:49 <@Dagmar> I would just assume someone was havign a laugh at my expense had I not seen this article.\ 17:49 < frsilent> since you guys are kind of on the subject...I'm interviewing with coinbase & don't really have a strong understanding of bitcoin in economics but think there might be a bunch of crypto-anarchists working there 17:50 < frsilent> the people I've talked with all seem incredibly bright though & it seems like it'd be a pretty badass place to work 17:52 < frsilent> any of you been following it? 17:53 <@sasquatc4> i just know they've been handing out free .01 bitcoins for stuff 17:53 <@Dagmar> Oh you "think" they might be working there? 17:53 <@Dagmar> lol 17:54 < frsilent> lol...dagmar, "bunch" meaning pretty much everyone except me if they were to hire 18:01 <@wilpig> aestetix_: showing up with that much cash just makes them ask how you got so much cash. it has the opposite effect of what you're expecting 18:01 < aestetix_> wilpig: so you're saying they have become insane 18:01 <@wilpig> no. i'm saying they've met drug dealers that have lots of cash today but will be broke as fuck tomorrow 18:02 < aestetix_> heh 18:02 < aestetix_> gotta love the american empire 18:03 < aestetix_> Like I said before. 18:03 < aestetix_> That wouldn't happen if we had reputation, but we have credit now instead 18:49 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comments/2bz86g/defcon_got_canceled_for_real/ 19:07 < aestetix_> RangerZ: do you think Obama is a good president? 19:18 <@wilpig> aestetix_: doens't that happen every year? 19:33 < aestetix_> wilpig: yes 19:44 <@Dagmar> lol cancelled 20:21 < scoob> im here 20:21 < scoob> no one else is here 20:21 < scoob> i wish I saw that link earlier 20:24 <@brimstone> scoob: aww 20:27 < npcomp> scoob: Sorry dude! 20:27 < npcomp> Maybe I can pick up some badges cheap now that the con is cancelled! 20:27 < npcomp> I heard this year they put a chip in it that helps you cheat at poker 20:28 < npcomp> (with dogs) 20:28 < npcomp> And will increase her pleasure for the night all long. 20:28 < npcomp> (FDA approval pending) 20:28 <@brimstone> (only some nights, not all nights) 20:29 < aestetix_> when did customer service turn into customer success 20:29 <@brimstone> dunno, but we have a customer success dept now 20:29 < npcomp> DefCon badges: replacing whaleshark fin since '14 20:29 <@wilpig> aestetix_: when phone monkeys got tired of getting yelled at? 20:30 < aestetix_> heh 21:11 < RangerZ> aestetix_: Obama will be ranked as one of the most effective presidents ever, for good or bad 21:11 < RangerZ> b/c all the roadblocks he's seen, are because he's already made so much progress in certain areas 21:25 -!- npcomp is now known as npcomp|away 21:27 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pjRH8ByZk lol 21:27 <@GateKeeper> Title: Vanilla Ice Reviews the New TMNT Rap - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 21:29 < RangerZ> part of me wants to go see the new TMNT movie, to see HOW bad they have mutilated it 21:30 < RangerZ> but I don't want to give them any $ for it, lol 21:41 <@Dagmar> I genuinely have no idea why they would even care what Vanilla Ice thinks 21:42 <@wilpig> didn't he do a song or video for the original movie? 21:42 <@Corydon76-home> I care a lot more about what Vanilla Ice thinks than just about anybody on Fox News. 21:43 < aestetix_> why are they remaking TMNT? 21:43 <@Corydon76-home> Because when Hollywood can't think of something new, they do a remake 21:43 < aestetix_> you mean when they won't risk anything new? 21:46 < RangerZ> aestetix_: same thing 21:47 < aestetix_> I hear this is one of the worst summers for hollywood ever 21:50 <@Corydon76-home> Not so bad for the stars of BBT 21:51 <@Corydon76-home> They each got 3 year $90M contracts 21:52 < aestetix_> what is BBT? 21:52 <@brimstone> a bank 21:52 < aestetix_> I assume it's not Black British Telecom 21:55 < aestetix_> what does a bank have to do with hollywood? 21:55 <@Corydon76-home> Big Bang Theory 21:55 < aestetix_> oh 21:55 < aestetix_> yeah television is great 21:55 < aestetix_> Everyone is watching TV, nobody is watching movies 21:55 < aestetix_> I mean compare Breaking Bad to any hollywood movie in the last year 21:56 <@Corydon76-home> I'll agree with you if by watching TV, you mean recording it to watch at a time convenient to the consumer 21:56 < aestetix_> yes 21:56 < aestetix_> and removing annoying things like commercials 21:56 < aestetix_> and by TV I mean torrents 21:56 <@Corydon76-home> I generally watch the first commercial of the break 21:57 <@brimstone> what is this, live tv? 21:57 <@brimstone> we're Amazon Priming constantly 21:57 < aestetix_> To me, television comes in the form of a video file you've downloaded from piratebay about an hour after it airs 21:57 < aestetix_> and then a year later seeing the same video show up on netflix 21:58 <@brimstone> an hour? why waiting so long? 21:58 <@brimstone> checking for PROPERs? 21:58 < aestetix_> brimstone: it's hard to put something online before you've recorded it 21:59 <@brimstone> yeah, but most groups have stuff up a few minutes after it airs 21:59 <@brimstone> they must encode while it airs or something 21:59 <@brimstone> shit's cray cray yo 21:59 < aestetix_> oh I guess an hour after it starts 22:01 <@Corydon76-home> I generally watch the first commercial because I don't cut them out before watching, and I'm usually too focused on the story for that period of time before I realize that it's time to fast-forward through the commercial 22:05 <@wilpig> brimstone: if you don't have good sources then you have to wait with the unwashed masses 22:07 < aestetix_> ok 22:07 < aestetix_> https://suicidegirls.com/girls/okami/ 22:07 < aestetix_> do you think she is hot? 22:10 <@Dagmar> She would be welcome in my bed anytime. 22:10 < aestetix_> Turns out she lives in Oakland 22:10 < aestetix_> She's on one of the mailing lists I'm on 22:10 <@Dagmar> Oh my gosh! Her profile says she's in San Francisco 22:11 <@Dagmar> But... but... models never lie about their age or location! 22:13 <@Dagmar> Wheee! mission accomplished 22:13 <@Dagmar> The tortoiseshell cat that's been trying to move in with my can apparently smell the _arctic fox_ on my hands 22:13 <@Dagmar> She took one sniff of my hands and shut up entirely. Gave me a look like "What the fuck have you been touching? Are you mad?" 22:17 <@Dagmar> I may have just solved my nomadic cat problem for a bit 22:32 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53 <@wilpig> 10 minutes and I should be able to get a track on my replacement parts. 22:53 < RangerZ> replacement parts for? 22:53 <@wilpig> failing server drive 22:54 < RangerZ> ahh, what you getting? 22:54 < RangerZ> and, what is failing 22:54 <@wilpig> one of the drives in my vm storage array. just a pair of 3TB drives 22:56 < RangerZ> ahh 22:57 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:57 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:57 < RangerZ> I'm curious about the new HDD tech, if it'll break away from SSDs more than they have been 22:58 < RangerZ> b/c SSDs are approaching similar size comparisons 23:00 -!- RangerZ|Laptop [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00 <@opticron> new hdd tech? 23:02 < RangerZ> expected sizes up to 10TB 23:03 < RangerZ> stacked manf. , among some others 23:03 <@opticron> huh 23:03 <@opticron> I apparently haven't been keeping up 23:03 < RangerZ> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/186624-seagate-starts-shipping-8tb-hard-drives-with-10tb-and-hamr-on-the-horizon 23:03 <@GateKeeper> Title: Seagate starts shipping 8TB hard drives, with 10TB and HAMR on the horizon | ExtremeTech (at www.extremetech.com) 23:06 < RangerZ> but we 'could' see 10 TB per square inch... LOL 23:07 < RangerZ> I still want my damn quartz crystal storage... LOL 23:09 < aestetix_> A family of five and a gay couple are in a house fire. Who gets out first? 23:15 <@wilpig> opticron: we have 6TB drives out now 23:18 < aestetix_> what the fuck 23:18 < aestetix_> 8 TH? 23:18 < aestetix_> TB 23:18 <@wilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01V95240 23:25 <@Dagmar> It's just a matta' of addin' moar plattah's 23:26 <@Dagmar> How else do you think they can fit an Internets in a 4U 23:26 <@Dagmar> Anyway, it was time 23:27 <@Dagmar> That's pretty close to "all my other disks at once" sized 23:36 < RangerZ> still nothing beats the bandwidth of a stationwagon filled with hard drives driving down the road ;) lol --- Log closed Tue Aug 05 00:00:09 2014