--- Log opened Sun Aug 03 00:00:00 2014 --- Day changed Sun Aug 03 2014 00:00 < RangerZ|Laptop> I know of a painter that once said that.... 00:13 <@wilpig> WOW! my first 9999 attack 00:13 <@wilpig> four of those in a row and damn! that dragon went down like a bitch! 00:14 <@Dagmar> w00t 00:15 <@wilpig> the trick of casting reflect on your entire party and then bouncing spells off them is really worth it 00:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> always has been in Square games, lol 00:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> only better when you have mimic too 00:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> that way the entire party casts it per character turn 00:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:18 <@wilpig> I maximized my damage on it. had my salve maker make it fire-weak. to start with. then I was using a black mage/arcanist. used the arcanist spell to sacrifice which raises your magic attack 150%. had the abilities max black magic, black magic amp, and magic attack 10% up 00:18 <@Dagmar> Okay... Okay... 00:19 <@Dagmar> I hate to say it but this movie is making me look at my love life in a whole new light 00:19 <@wilpig> each cast cost me like 150mp but totally worth it 00:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> the brony one? 00:21 <@Dagmar> No. 'Life AFter Beth'. 00:21 <@Dagmar> She makes the girls I date look like oceans of tranquility 00:22 < aestetix_> So 00:22 < aestetix_> After today, I concluded that at least 50% of people in the east bay do drugs 00:23 < aestetix_> Well, are psychonauts 00:24 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 00:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 00:24 < aestetix_> penis 00:25 <@Dagmar> Your point? 00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: we thought doing drugs was a requirement to live in the east bay 00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> how else could you live in the new state of Silicon Valley, the richest per capita state in the union if it is approved 00:28 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is she's only marginally more unstable than Lindsey at times 00:28 <@Dagmar> I really feel this guy's distress tho 00:28 < aestetix_> hahah 00:28 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: you know, that's just another way to try to make the black people go away, right? 00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> hahaha... such an obvious ploy to break up California's electorial college votes and not have state tax dollars go to the 'poor' areas of the state 00:28 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: um...silcion valley is west bat 00:28 <@klixa> bay* 00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa: yes, but they get east bay in the new state 00:29 < aestetix_> It's basically a rich guy in california trying to do high level jerrymandering 00:29 <@klixa> oh..hmmm i just walked in, guess i dont knw what you 2 are tlaking about 00:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> a guy is trying to split up CA into 6 states, and "silicon valley" is the name of one of the new states 00:30 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: it's specifically to make sure the black people don't get any of the startup tax dollars 00:30 <@klixa> they need to just blow up oakland and start over 00:30 < aestetix_> I mean, north bay is the richest part of the bay area, and they continually vote against extending the BART system there 00:30 <@klixa> marin 00:31 < aestetix_> right 00:31 <@klixa> gas is like $5 a gallon there 00:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> north bay is in a different state though 00:31 <@klixa> its always on average $1+ more than the rest of the bat 00:31 <@Dagmar> This is definitely a new take on a zombie armageddon 00:32 < aestetix_> but seriously 00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://geocurrents.info/place/north-america/northern-california/tim-drapers-proposed-six-californias 00:32 <@klixa> north bay is also the poorest part of the bay... ike petaluma, santa rosa, etc...but thats when you are at the faaaaar edge 00:32 < aestetix_> if you wanna see how bad racism in the US is 00:32 < aestetix_> look at where public transit in cities runs 00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is non-racist argument for it also, but thats just a good cover 00:33 <@klixa> or maybe, broke people deliberatly move to where the public transport is 00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'we don't go there, b/c not many people there use public transit' 00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> but more whites used the buses in the south than blacks 00:33 < aestetix_> Ok here's a question 00:33 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: honestly that makes sense to me. i drive. and most places i live do not have much public transport 00:33 < aestetix_> How many cities have public transit that goes to the suburbs 00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> ....until the mid 60s... wonder what happened there 00:34 <@Dagmar> It's not racism. 00:34 <@Dagmar> It's class warfare. 00:34 <@Dagmar> It's very _obviously_ class warfar. 00:34 <@Dagmar> e 00:34 < aestetix_> Dagmar: ok sure 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> now it is just fortunate that blacks are poor 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> so they can just hate on the poor, and grab-bag all the people they want to hate 00:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol 00:34 <@klixa> no one cares if people are black...it really is more about being poor 00:35 < aestetix_> klixa: please show me a rich black neighborhood 00:35 <@klixa> aestetix_: Fisk University 00:35 <@klixa> its not a rich black area, but its a rich black school 00:35 <@klixa> no whotes allowd last time i checked 00:35 <@klixa> its in nashville 00:35 < aestetix_> wait 00:35 <@klixa> its a top university 00:35 < aestetix_> What would happen if a school said "no blacks allowed" 00:35 <@klixa> theyd be sued, mobbed, who knows 00:36 < aestetix_> so why is a university allowed to say no whitse 00:36 <@Dagmar> klixa++ 00:36 <@Dagmar> There's a _culture_ problem that's leading to a lot of black people not making it any higher up the ladder than they do 00:36 <@Dagmar> ...but the larger problem is that the _class warfare_ is keeping the poor people poor, and making more people poor by the day 00:36 <@Dagmar> All hell would break loose, of course 00:37 < aestetix_> Dagmar: sure 00:37 < aestetix_> And making the rich richer 00:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Seriously do you not get this is class warfare? 00:38 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I was agreeing with you 00:38 < aestetix_> But I'm also commenting that racism is part ofi t 00:38 <@Dagmar> It's literally just happenstance that most of the people in that area are black/hispanic 00:38 < aestetix_> That asid 00:39 < aestetix_> If a black guy is educated at the universities and speaks like a rich white guy, it's much easier for polite society to accept him 00:39 < aestetix_> IE a black guy reciting cicero instead of making nigga jokes 00:40 <@klixa> um, *nigga* jokes show LACK OF EDUCATION aestetix_ 00:40 <@wilpig> anyone speaking proper english will get ahead faster than someone speaking in ebonics. race doesn't matter there 00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> is there 'pure' racists out there... sure... but most of them are still down here in The South ;) 00:40 <@Dagmar> White people live over there, too. Same shit on their heads. 00:40 < aestetix_> klixa: that's what I just said 00:41 <@klixa> do blacks not have to learn PROPER english (to be clear PROPER english != whote english)? 00:41 <@klixa> yeah, but you said speaks like a rich WHITE guy 00:41 < aestetix_> oh ok 00:41 < aestetix_> so how about speaks like a rich guy 00:42 < aestetix_> I've been in the bay area too long. The words "rich white guy" are axiomatic here 00:42 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Because not everyone's on the same page about why any kind of racial discrimination is bad 00:42 <@klixa> my mom was poor and my father had lots of money and some fame.. $ makes a major difference...i grew up living 2 lives kinda 00:42 < aestetix_> hmm 00:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> Blacks are mostly poor, and since the crash of 2008, have been hit the hardest economically, b/c most blacks don't have inherited wealth (even a house, etc) , so the crash that rocked poor people, hit them the hardest, and most of them lost most/all of their investment when the banks screwed them on loans that were preditory, etc... (All the major banks have admitted wrongdoing and have paid billions in fines for doing so) 00:42 < aestetix_> klixa: I also did not grow up rich 00:42 <@klixa> aestetix_: i grew up half rich 00:42 < aestetix_> heh 00:43 <@klixa> on the weekends, i was going to restaurants where my father spent more on 1 meal than my mom spent all weeks on groceries for 4 people 00:43 < aestetix_> klixa: I know that feeling 00:43 <@Dagmar> ...because keeping everyone mad at people of another skin color keeps them from focusing on the _real_ problem, which is that a very small minority of rich people are making everyone elses lives shittier by degrees every day. 00:43 < aestetix_> I had a rich friend... his parents bought him a $40,000 lexus when he turned 16 00:44 < aestetix_> I can't even grok that kind of money 00:44 <@klixa> also, the way treat you is VERY different 00:44 <@klixa> people kiss your a when you have money 00:44 <@klixa> they are nice to you 00:44 <@Dagmar> It's not racism. Correlation is not causation. 00:45 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:45 < aestetix_> uh 00:45 <@wilpig> lol 00:45 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:45 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:45 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 00:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 00:45 < aestetix_> oh ok I thought Dagmar had emoquit, which was really odd 00:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah totally random disconnection there 00:45 <@wilpig> hey Dagmar... 00:45 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:45 <@wilpig> haha 00:45 <@Dagmar> I'm sure I wasn't just rerouted through a set of logging servers because I mentioned class warfare too many times 00:46 < aestetix_> Dagmar: so you think we used to be racist, and now we're classist, but because of the demographics it looks racist? 00:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Basically, yes. 00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> pretty much 00:46 <@Dagmar> The rich people in power don't give a rat's ass about skin color 00:46 <@Dagmar> They care about their money, greed, and keeping their power 00:46 < aestetix_> As long as they are also rich 00:46 <@wilpig> passing out now. the jews are controlling the money keeping the poor down. 00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> of course there are outliers, who are racist/classist, but most are just about class 00:46 <@klixa> aestetix_: i think racism exists too, but more on an individual level; ie. some people are racists 00:46 <@Dagmar> You did see the last line, right? 00:46 <@Dagmar> THe followup to that deliberate red herring 00:47 <@klixa> i dont think that busses not going into the suburbs is anything to do with racism 00:47 <@Dagmar> Tell them it's the jews and when they protest ask them how it makes any less sense than blaming "whites" 00:47 <@klixa> i think its supply/demand 00:47 <@klixa> suburbians drive suv's 00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> its federal and state policy for a long time, we forbid blacks to move into 'white' neighborhoods 00:48 <@Dagmar> But seriously, the last thing the elites would want is for all the "poor" and middle class people to suddenly wake up and realize who it is that actually fucking their lives over, pillaging their retirement funds, foreclosing on their houses 00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I mean up into the 80s 00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> but by the 80s it was 'class' not 'race' that was used 00:48 <@Dagmar> People are just not used to thinking logrithmically and that's what the scale of power is 00:48 <@Dagmar> If you could fold a piece of paper, how thick would it be? 00:49 <@klixa> Rich people take advantage of the fact that normal people dont understand the difefrence between money and wealth 00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> there is 0 reason for any human in the USA to not have dental/vision/healthcare fully paid for, and a housing situtation 00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> let alone a LOT of children going hungry 00:50 <@Dagmar> Seriously. Fold a piece of paper in half. How thick is it? 00:50 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: "its federal and state policy for a long time, we forbid blacks to move into 'white' neighborhoods"????? 00:50 <@klixa> how is it forbidden RangerZ|Laptop ? 00:50 <@Dagmar> There's a point to me asking this question 00:50 < aestetix_> Dagmar: 2X where X is the thickness of a piece of paper? 00:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Easy enough. Now, if you folded it 128 times, how thick would it be? 00:51 < aestetix_> 2^128? 00:51 <@Dagmar> I read this recently and it's an excellent illustration 00:51 <@klixa> is this like the chinese rice 00:51 <@Dagmar> Which is how thick. Don't give me an exponent 00:51 < aestetix_> really thick 00:51 <@Dagmar> Not just "really thick" 00:51 <@klixa> where it becomes some insanely high amount 00:51 <@Dagmar> You could rest the fucking MOON on it 00:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> klixa: federal loans weren't given to blacks for houses outside of 'planned neighborhoods' for a long time, up until early 70s or something 00:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> and states did it for much longer 00:51 <@klixa> RangerZ|Laptop: based on being black? or based on income? 00:51 <@Dagmar> ...and that's the scale to which the economic power of the 1% grows 00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> both 00:52 <@Dagmar> That's why it's so insanely hard for people to come to grips with just how much ability the people halfway further up the scale have to fuck over their lives 00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> you could apply for 'special' loans if you were black, but you could only get houses in certain parts of cities 00:52 < aestetix_> Dagmar: so from the free market side, the market should correct itself. From the government side, there shuld be regulation. 00:52 <@Dagmar> Even just _halfway_ the amount of power people weild is in the space of senators and corporate execs 00:53 <@Dagmar> Huh? 00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> so it wasn't a law saying you COULDN'T move to that part, but it basically made it that if you wanted to buy a house or anything, you HAD to move to the part of the city the city wanted you to 00:53 <@klixa> i now nothing about that 00:53 <@Dagmar> You expect to see effective regulation coming from the people who are being paid literally by the hour to do what the people above them say? 00:54 < aestetix_> Dagmar: nope 00:54 <@Dagmar> There's one of our problems, right there. 00:55 <@Dagmar> All this _chaos_ in the media only serves the interests of the people who have the power 00:55 <@Dagmar> It keeps all the people who have very little power comparatively, arguing with each other non stop, instead of realizing they have a common enemy that is actually rather small in number. 00:56 <@Dagmar> Bank of America was literally _stealing homes_ en-masse with all those foreclosures 00:56 <@Dagmar> Nothing happened to them. 00:57 <@Dagmar> They foreclosed on some people who had never even taken out a loan 00:57 * aestetix_ nods 00:57 <@Dagmar> ...but there's that social blind spot I've talked about, in play 00:57 <@Dagmar> It was "the company" and people just doing their jobs, not the dictates of a few completely corrupt assholes 00:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> and no person went to jail 00:58 < aestetix_> Dagmar: wasn't that the nuremberg defense? 00:58 <@Dagmar> They shift the blame from themselves to the "corporate" person, who somehow is blameless 00:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> new law... executives that allow a company to break the law... go to prison 00:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: There's another problem we have 00:58 < RangerZ|Laptop> would solve A LOT of problems, lol 00:58 <@Dagmar> This is almost impossible to talk about without invoking Godwin's law 00:58 <@Dagmar> ...because the situation is _actually_ that bad. 00:58 <@Dagmar> Welcome to my nightmare 00:59 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: That's already a law 00:59 <@Dagmar> It just isn't enforced because very, very powerful people made the argument that it would be "bad for everyone" 00:59 <@Dagmar> ...which is a _lie_, but they're the ones making the rules. 01:01 <@Dagmar> We don't have a bureau that *just* hunts political corruption because people in power make the argument that it would shake people's faith in their government if half of congress went to jail 01:01 <@Dagmar> This is also, _not true_. 01:01 < aestetix_> Dagmar: we did during Clinton 01:01 <@Dagmar> People would fucking celebrate 01:01 < aestetix_> The special prosecutor 01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, he was only to investigate the executive 01:01 <@Dagmar> Yep. And look at all the power he has now. 01:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> not the legislative 01:02 <@Dagmar> RangerZ++ 01:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> NY state is about the only state that has the ability to create a special prosecutor who can investigate ANYONE in gov't 01:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> and look at how bad Coumo(sp?) fucked that up, by telling it to not go after people who did work for him/his campaign 01:05 <@Dagmar> This is why all the spying _infuriates_ me 01:06 <@Dagmar> I could almost stomach it if it were used to fix the country 01:06 <@Dagmar> _Almost_ 01:06 <@Dagmar> Instead, it's just used as another tool of oppression 01:06 <@Dagmar> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. 01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think its a valid arguement for removing FBI and CIA from DHS 01:08 < RangerZ|Laptop> I don't mind DHS 'existing' but it should be much smaller, and focused 01:09 <@Dagmar> Someone needs to sit down and just admit this mess is far worse than any terrorists could ever be 01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> that way FBI and CIA and NSA, etc are all competing with each other 01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> NSA: "we proved the CIA was hacking congress", b/c we're legally allowed to hack them, lol 01:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> (which they are... lol) 01:10 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm also for splitting up NSA into 2, one for offensive, one for defensive ... but *shrug* on that one, worth thinking about 01:52 <@Dagmar> Everyone in that movie was just *so* jewish 02:12 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 02:20 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 02:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 03:07 <@Catonic> when you see a username and you recognize it from years ago 05:04 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I do mind DHS existing. 05:04 < aestetix_> It needs to be abolished. 05:05 < aestetix_> Or we need to get rid of the FBI. 05:05 < aestetix_> DHS has turned into a bloated mess though. 05:05 < aestetix_> Wait, FBI and CIA are within DHS now? 05:06 < aestetix_> Isn't the whole fucking point of them being separate that we separate domestic from foreign? 05:09 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security according to this that is not true 08:31 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 11:01 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:02 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:33 -!- npulse [~Hex@c-24-99-135-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33 -!- npulse [~Hex@c-24-99-135-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:48 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.gaycalgary.com/News.aspx?id=1513 14:48 <@GateKeeper> Title: WANTED: Man For Hand Job – Best Job In The World? (at www.gaycalgary.com) 17:15 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26 <@brimstone> holy shit this is a thing: https://twitter.com/MikeEvangelist/status/495970097497128960 17:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / MikeEvangelist: Lovely. My @Synology NAS has ... (at twitter.com) 17:38 < npcomp> Whomp 17:40 < npcomp> Ransomeware for real. 17:41 < npcomp> Offline BAckups, MFer, do you have them? 17:41 <@brimstone> exactly 17:45 < npcomp> But then somebody on twitter reports they fixed it:https://twitter.com/barney007uk/status/496029039669571585 17:45 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / barney007uk: @MikeEvangelist right good ... (at twitter.com) 17:47 < npcomp> Read a bunch of the Io(V)T: The internet of vulnerable things last night: http://www.devttys0.com/2014/05/hacking-the-dsp-w215-again-again-again/ 17:48 <@brimstone> there's a quote along the lines of: "If i have to worry about the firmware in my lightbulb, the internet of things is not ready" 17:49 < npcomp> Le sigh, do people not realise they will _always_ have to worry about their firmwares? 17:49 < npcomp> pacemaker -> firmware 17:49 < npcomp> cellphone -> firmware 17:50 < npcomp> cellphone _radio_ -> L4/Mach microkernel _firmware_ 17:50 <@brimstone> there's not much worry in cellphone firmware though 17:50 <@brimstone> or automobile firmware 17:50 <@brimstone> and not much you can do about pacemaker firmware 17:51 < npcomp> What do you mean, not much worry? 17:51 <@brimstone> cell providers keep our phones updated, right? 17:51 <@brimstone> just push a new firmware OTA 17:51 < npcomp> riiiiight. 17:51 <@brimstone> *Offer good in the first 3 months 17:51 <@brimstone> * See store for details 17:52 < npcomp> Because rev(firmware) -> better security ? 17:52 <@brimstone> newer is ALWAYS better 17:52 < npcomp> * offer available only in states known by California to cause cancer. 18:34 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> brimstone: a visiting prof gave a lecture on some of the work he'd done on IOT security and how his external insulin pump would inject all the insulin in it into him if it ever got a 4 byte control signal, and he'd be dead... which made him a little more worried about IOT security 18:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh and it accepts a form of NFC like radio for tuning from the doctors office 18:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd have a fucking faraday cage surrounding something like that if I needed one 19:18 < npcomp> Siiigh, still need better colo. 20:37 < aestetix_> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/upshot/is-a-1000-pill-really-too-much.html 21:06 < aestetix_> Ohhhh the irony 21:06 < aestetix_> Now that I've finally decided to start using Google + again by way of publicizing wordpress posts, it looks like wordpress's publicize feature stopped working 21:15 < aestetix_> wilpig: you should be on this show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bomkgXeDkE 21:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> ugh... I don't understand how a half hour on the elliptical can make the muscle between my collar bone and neck hurt this bad.. :/ 21:27 <@wilpig> RangerZ|Laptop: I'd ask who was chasing you but clearly that would be a chase of the most idiot attacker in history. instead I will mock you for thinking you're gonna get healthy 21:27 < aestetix_> wow apparently Kevin Bacon also hates millennials 21:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> wilpig: no one ever exercises to get healthier, they do it to look better, for potential mates, lol 21:34 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: about the Hep C drug, thats what we get when we privatize basic medical research, instead of fund it through the government with grants, etc 21:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> I see a lot of comparisons between high (skill) level coders and high (skill) level research doctors 21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'd have no problem getting paid a good wage, and going and doing basic auditing and refactoring of OSS projects, _IF_ I was getting paid to do it 21:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> and I bet a lot of talented doctors and researchers would love to do research on drugs to cure HIV, the cold, etc... but they have too many student loans, etc.. so they have to go into private research to try and pay off those debts 21:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/interactives/budget-prep-faraday-cage/ part of me is saddened that NatGeo has sunk to taking the money of preppers... then again ... part of me is happy that NatGeo is smart enough to take their money before some other shadier person does... 21:46 <@GateKeeper> Title: Budget Prep: Faraday Cage | National Geographic Channel (at channel.nationalgeographic.com) 21:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> FYI, if you ever see a person at a mall, with a big dillards bag that looks a little too rigid, they might have made a home-made faraday cage out of aluminum foil and duct tape in it.... LOL (works for blocking the anti-theft tags put on retail products) 21:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> there was a black family who was pretty infamous for hitting almost every mall in NE Ohio /Western PA ~10 years ago, doing that 22:08 -!- npulse [~Hex@c-24-99-135-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18 < aestetix_> man 22:18 < aestetix_> some of these portal 2 community levels are bastards 22:29 <@Dagmar> Easier to just look for two sets of handles 22:30 <@Dagmar> There's generally no reason to double-bag with boutique bags unless they're up to some shoplifting 22:30 < aestetix_> Dagmar: wouldn't someone think of that and pre-line their bag with foil? 22:31 <@Dagmar> IF they just put foil in it, it would be easily visible from above 22:31 <@Dagmar> That's why they double-bag most of tyhe time when they do that 22:31 <@Dagmar> Those bimetal strip devices are that easily thwarted 22:31 < aestetix_> ahhh 22:32 < aestetix_> Or I dunno having a thicker bag that you sew foil into? 22:32 <@Dagmar> No. 22:32 <@Dagmar> Jesus you really suck at crime 22:33 < aestetix_> lol 22:33 <@Dagmar> The reason they don't take some bag of their own and line it is because _then_ they're carrying a suspiciously large purse around 22:33 <@Dagmar> It's always the big square-bottomed store bags, the ones with the plastic hoop handles 22:33 <@Dagmar> THen it just looks like they made a bunch of purchases 22:33 < aestetix_> So really the ideal way to shoplift is to have a bunch of other bags, with the one that's double bagged, and mix them all together so it's hard to see what's going on? 22:34 <@Dagmar> i.e. "I'm an important person who spends a lot of money here" 22:34 <@Dagmar> The majority of the time dude, they just walk into the mall with the one bag and their purse 22:35 < aestetix_> I guess I do suck at crime 22:35 <@Dagmar> If you see someone going _into_ a mall who's already carrying a shopping bag, trail them 22:35 <@Dagmar> Odds are pretty damn high they're going to go into some place and start slipping things into that bag 22:43 <@wilpig> good god. the internet is a horrible place at times. 22:44 <@oddball> at times? 22:44 <@wilpig> http://boards.4chan.org/b/thread/560452504 22:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: /b/ - Random (at boards.4chan.org) 22:45 -!- npulse [~Hex@c-24-99-135-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:45 <@wilpig> warning. nsfl 22:47 < npcomp> why? 22:47 < aestetix_> wilpig: wow the chick in the bikini is fucked up 23:12 -!- npulse [~Hex@c-24-99-135-198.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:30 < aestetix_> so 23:30 < aestetix_> stupid question 23:30 < aestetix_> is there any way to play Black Mesos on a mac? 23:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> you mean black mesa, the Half Life mod? 23:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> and if so, not that I'm aware of, the SDK released publicly isn't compatible with the version of the engine that works on openGL(linux/mac) 23:40 < aestetix_> yes 23:40 < aestetix_> ok 23:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently it works on WINE though 23:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> so if you can get that working for mac, you're golden 23:47 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47 < aestetix_> I guess I could try it in a vm 23:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> wine handles that VMing for you 23:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> wine works wonders, when it does work, lol 23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: found a job for ya 23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg0YHmIz8n8 23:53 <@GateKeeper> Title: Startup Offering "A Man, But Better" Launches In San Francisco - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 23:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> Manservant new startup out there, lol 23:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> I actually think its really smart 23:56 < RangerZ|Laptop> to take the money from rich suckers, lol --- Log closed Mon Aug 04 00:00:08 2014