--- Log opened Wed Jul 30 00:00:04 2014
00:11 < RangerZ> no
00:12 < RangerZ> but i can dream
00:12 < RangerZ> lol
00:26 <@Dagmar> I *think* Google might have noticed the EXIF data in my profile photo
00:26 <@Dagmar> I just had to reupload it.  heh
00:28 < RangerZ> what was it?
00:28 < RangerZ> the old jpg flaw to run code?
00:29 < RangerZ> lol
00:29 <@Dagmar> EICAR
00:29 <@Dagmar> For great luls
00:29 <@Dagmar> Unless someone was insane enough to make a DMCA takedown request
00:29 < RangerZ> lol
00:30 <@Dagmar> That's the only two things I can think of that could explain it's mysterious disappearance
00:35 < RangerZ> yeah
00:40 <@Dagmar> A DMCA, on a picture of me, _made by me_ well... I think the word for that is "suicidal"
01:25 < aestetix_> wilpig_: why
01:26 < aestetix_> the expendables 2 is one of the worst movies I have ever seen
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07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:56 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: because I somehow got my hands on it more than two weeks before it is gonna be released in the theater?
08:51 <@wilpig_> this is a NotLarry joke if ever there was one.  http://explosm.net/comics/3636/
08:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3636 - Explosm.net (at explosm.net)
08:53 <@Corydon76-home> Ugh, that is so wrong
08:53 <@wilpig_> but it's a notlarry joke right?
08:53 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, pretty much
09:17 <@wilpig_> 09:13 < brian> anyone ever been to the museum of math?
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10:37 < khax> Bahhumbug nigger
10:37 < khax> fuck u
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10:39 <@Bahhumbug> How the fuck did he find me here?
10:39 <@Bahhumbug> I am +i
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10:40 <@Bahhumbug> Idiot.
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10:43 <@ignotus-sdf> I love the way xchat never tells me when I disconnect.
10:43 <@Dagmar> ...and now, a long-distance dedication for a tune I know you've all heard before.
10:44 <@Bahhumbug> I really don't get why people continue to use xchat; it's not like it's really supported these days.
10:44 <@Dagmar> It's a special little tune from the 90's, and this is the F5 LTM remix of a song called "TCL IS A STEAMING PILE OF SHIT"
10:44 <@Dagmar> o/~ Tcl is a steaming pile of shit that doesn't work right and does everything in a fucked up incompatible way o/~
10:45 <@Dagmar> Fucking seriously
10:45 <@Dagmar> Tcl's re "^/fuckyou(/?)$"
10:45 <@Dagmar> Every fucking other re "^/fuckyou/?$"
10:49 <@Dagmar> ...because tcl hates reason
10:49 <@Bahhumbug> tcl is horrible.
10:49 <@Dagmar> I just double-checked to make sure I was seeing this bullshit
10:49 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck
10:49 <@Bahhumbug> We built a fucking isp accounting system with it back in the 90s.  Each customer record was a set of tcl variables that could get sourced in.
10:49 <@Dagmar> Why would you deliberately make your shit that fundamentally incompatible without mentioning it somewhere
10:49 <@Bahhumbug> I still have fucking nightmares about it.
10:50 <@Dagmar> I mean, I remember hating on tcl pretty severely back in the eggdrop days, but I guess I mainly just stuck with globmatching then
10:51 <@Bahhumbug> The only thing good to come from tcl was expect.
10:54 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/index.php?id=234
10:54 <@GateKeeper> Title: SOTI The Blame Line (at www.somethingofthatilk.com)
10:54 <@Dagmar> heheh
10:55 <@Corydon76-home> I never had much of a problem with Tcl, but then again, I also appreciate the language
10:56 <@Dagmar> When was the last time you had an MRI?
10:56 <@Corydon76-home> and as an attempt to make a universal embeddable scripting language, Tcl was pretty darn good
10:56 <@Dagmar> ...because I suspect cranial hemmorhaging.
10:56 <@Dagmar> Fucking no.
10:56 <@Dagmar> A rational set of developers wouldn't have dicked around with the order arguments are given to a function between minor releases without saying something
10:57 <@Corydon76-home> Can you imagine how bad Eggdrop would have been if the designers had tried to make their own scripting language?
10:57 <@Dagmar> ...and this bullshit with regexps... Good god.
10:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: ircII-script got along fine actually
10:57 <@Corydon76-home> You really don't have to imagine it.  VB.
10:58 <@Dagmar> With tcl I had to put fucking checks into my shit that were almost fractal in nature
10:58 <@Dagmar> ...because some of the fucking checks had to use functions that themselves might have changed between goddamn revisions.
10:58 <@Corydon76-home> Code checks?  Why, nobody ever does that, man.
10:58 <@Dagmar> You did if you wanted your shit to work.
10:58 <@Dagmar> You had to know which fucking specific version of tcl you were running on
10:59 <@Dagmar> ...because otherwise, there was a good chance your bot would go all Skynet on you
10:59 <@Corydon76-home> You do know that was an attempt to be funny, right?
10:59 <@Dagmar> I am going to just assume you never actually had your bots go Skynet in a channel with about a hundred users then.
10:59 <@Dagmar> <-- a few times actually
10:59 <@Corydon76-home> How many bugs have we dealt with because some asshole forgot to check for errors?
11:00 <@Dagmar> ...and when your bots are there to handle dedicated attempts to take over the channel, they're kinda fucking ruthless.
11:00 <@Bahhumbug> TCL was a domain-based solution to a specific set of problems.  It was turned into a general purpose development language as a second thought and it shows.
11:00 <@Dagmar> Hell, one of those failures the bots very quietly and efficiently teardropped the entire goddamn channel, THEN kicked everyone
11:00 <@Bahhumbug> And IRC bots was not the domain, suffice it to say.
11:01 <@Corydon76-home> I never had any trouble running an Eggdrop bot back in the day
11:01 <@Dagmar> You never had to modify it to keep dicks out
11:01 <@Corydon76-home> I never ran one of the really hostile channels, no.
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> You mean  you weren't on efnet?
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> Or blunder?
11:02 <@Corydon76-home> No, I was on Undernet at the time
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> My consolences.
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> god damn mother fucking typos
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> My confolences.
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> FUCKL
11:02 <@Corydon76-home> EFnet was later
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> "c
11:02 <@Bahhumbug> o
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> n
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> d
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> o
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> k
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> e
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> n
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> c
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> e
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> s
11:03 <@Corydon76-home> ROFL
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> FUcking fingers.
11:03 <@Dagmar> You need a new keyboard
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> I need new hands.
11:03 <@Dagmar> Clearly, that one is broken
11:03 <@Bahhumbug> Mine are quite broken.
11:03 <@Dagmar> I have a simple rule.  Fuck it up twice... well, fuck it.
11:04 <@Corydon76-home> My simple rule on grammar and spelling is never to correct anybody, unless they try to correct themselves... and fail.
11:04 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: I ran the Chicago.il.under.net hub for a few years.  I despised it.  And I was so happy when the box was attacked that last time and I just walked into my DC and ripped the power cord out of the back of whatever sparc model it was running on.
11:04 <@Dagmar> Uh-huh.
11:04 <@Corydon76-home> Because the attempt says they give a crap
11:07 <@Bahhumbug> Lower left-hand image was undernet's chi hub back in the mid-late 90s - http://stuff.gerdesas.com/wwa-01.jpg
11:08 <@Bahhumbug> I _think_ that machine is actually out in my garage now.  Buried under (literally) tons of other shit.
11:10 <@rattle> EFnet back in the day was awesome.
11:10 <@Dagmar> Very
11:10 <@Bahhumbug> When I had ops, sure :L)
11:10 <@Dagmar> If you were a MAN, you just took ops.
11:11 <@Dagmar> You didn't ask.
11:11 <@Dagmar> ;)
11:11 <@rattle> I remember in the mid-90's there were several instances where entire countries were nocked off the Internet because someone was trying to force a net split.
11:11 <@Corydon76-home> rattle: yup.  Helped me get laid on more than one occasion
11:11 <@Bahhumbug> I popped on efnet the other day for grins.  Everyone I knew and all the old channels, except for #high, were gone.
11:11 <@rattle> The havoc level was amazing.
11:12 <@rattle> Especially when teardrop/targa and all the various windows smb go boom boom bugs were around.
11:12 <@Dagmar> lol
11:12 <@Dagmar> I loved the days of weaponized IRC
11:13 <@rattle> Very fun..
11:13 <@Dagmar> We kept Windows users in their fucking place
11:13 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
11:13 <@rattle> Remember many times being in a channel when suddenly all the conversation would stop, and boom 90% of the people would disappear.  Everyone else sitting there going, "so, we're the linux users, eh?"..
11:13 <@Bahhumbug> Helped to have fiber at your disposal to nuke 'em with.
11:14 <@Corydon76-home> I never bothered with anything more complicated than /nuke
11:14 <@Bahhumbug> rattle: I recall those days :)
11:14 <@Dagmar> hehe
11:14 <@Bahhumbug> What was more amusing was seeing the clonebots come in and /whois you when you're +W and auto-nuke 'em.
11:16 <@rattle> Makes me think of a very amusing conversation I had recently.  "There is no such thing as 'cyberwar'."  "Well, there was IRC during the 90's."  "Touche"
11:17 <@Bahhumbug> Heh
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11:21 <@Dagmar> http://teespring.com/sysadmn#pid=212&cid=5819
11:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: URGENT: SYSTEM ADMIN EXCLUSIVE FB SALE | Teespring (at teespring.com)
11:21 <@Corydon76-home> Anybody used Zentyal as a replacement for ActiveDirectory?
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11:22 <@Corydon76-home> Or for that matter, any open source replacement for ActiveDirectory?
11:22 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Oh me likey
11:27 <@shapr> good morning?
11:31 <@CRasH180> Corydon76-home: FreeIPA?
11:36 <@Bahhumbug> IPA is a good identity management all-on-one solution, but can't provide backward compatibility for AD services as far as I am aware.
11:36 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and hi CRasH180.
11:36 <@CRasH180> hiya!
11:36 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: basically, the issue we're looking at is that win2012 requires AD in order to connect to Terminal Services, yet AD is a known cost in terms of taking the entire enterprise down when it fails
11:37 <@Corydon76-home> So we'd like to find something a bit more resilient
11:38 <@Dagmar> In other words, anything other than ActiveDirectory
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: Take a look at samba4?
11:38 <@Corydon76-home> Basically
11:38 <@CRasH180> or 389 Directory Server?
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> sernet has enterprise linux packages available.
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> http://enterprisesamba.com/
11:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Home (at enterprisesamba.com)
11:46 <@Dagmar> Jesus
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Yes, my son?
11:56 <@shapr> you screamt?
11:58 <@wilpig_> ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
11:58 <@wilpig_> fuck you fedex you fucking fucks
11:59 <@Dagmar> The Delay Ninja has struck?
11:59 <@wilpig_> There is no description for this level of beurocratic bullshit
11:59 <@wilpig_> they make vandy look streamlined
12:00 <@Dagmar> They can't
12:00 <@Dagmar> I generally get my packages from FedEx.
12:00 <@wilpig_> "hi, yes i'd like to find out why the fedex ground asshole walks by all the outgoing packages every day when he drops off"
12:00 <@wilpig_> sir what's your account number?
12:00 <@wilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h8kx6qe1mvrmkaf/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-30%20at%2011.52.22%20AM.png
12:00 <@Dagmar> Probably because he's a different group
12:00 <@wilpig_> no sir that isn't your account number,  you must be mistaken
12:01 <@Dagmar> Let me share with you a little something
12:01 <@wilpig_> "clearly i'm not mistaken.  it's on the fucking website inside our account management interface"
12:01 <@wilpig_> this goes on for a while to they'll transfer me to someone to get our account number
12:02 <@wilpig_> however they won't give me the account number it has to go through our account executive that is someone in this company but they can't tell me who
12:02 <@wilpig_> this mystery person just received a request from fedex to call me, inside the company to get me the real account number so they can then setup a daily ground pickup to match the daily express pickup
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> Would you be surprised to learn that the account executive left the company 5 years ago, and nobody is reading his old email anymore?
12:04 <@Bahhumbug> heh
12:04 <@wilpig_> Corydon76-home: no
12:04 <@Dagmar> I would
12:04 <@Dagmar> Tumblr isn't that old.  ;)
12:04 <@wilpig_> it actually is
12:04 <@wilpig_> we have people here that have just celebrated 6 years with the place
12:05 <@wilpig_> get up out of the floor
12:05 <@wilpig_> this fedex shit though.  they'll confirm there is a daily pickup here for fedex express and won't just tell the assfuck of a ground drive to pick the shit up
12:05 <@wilpig_> I wanna stab a motherfucker with NotLarry's running shears over this
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> The answer is to put a keypad on the egress door, and the Fedex driver isn't allowed to leave until he tells you the name of the account executive
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> If he doesn't know it, he'll learn it PDQ
12:08 <@wilpig_> I'm thinking I just wait out in the loading dock with a stungun and a cart load of packages
12:08 <@wilpig_> one way he takes them,  the other way he takes them and pisses himself
12:08 <@Bahhumbug> Video or it didn't happen
12:11 <@Corydon76-home> I'm dealing with a wonderful sales tax issue.  There are 3 states we collect sales taxes for, and they all do sales taxes differently
12:12 <@wilpig_> write yourself a check and run for the border
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Kentucky is a flat 6%.  Tennessee only cares what location you're selling FROM, and although variable, it's static for each location.
12:13 <@Corydon76-home> Georgia had to be different.  In Georgia, the sales tax you collect is based upon where the person lives.
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> Not where the seller is.  Where the buyer is.
12:17 <@CRasH180> I went to make a drop off at OfficeMax as the last time they were supposed to pick up ground packages was 5:30. Get there at 5:15 and the guy has already come and gone 2 minutes prior.
12:18 <@CRasH180> Call FedEx and they have no way to reach the trucks on the ground to ask them to turn around or where they are going next to find out if I can meet up with them
12:18 <@Corydon76-home> So if a person comes to a store in, say, Athens, they pay the Athens sales tax.  But if the store doesn't have the item in stock and offers to ship it to the customer's home in Atlanta, it now costs the customer Atlanta's sales tax.
12:18 <@CRasH180> useless use of technology
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> CRasH180: Especially because FedEx local delivery drivers aren't actually FedEx employees.
12:19 <@Corydon76-home> They're independent contractors
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> They're not paid based upon the time they put in, but upon the number of packages they deliver
12:20 <@CRasH180> Independent contractors? Even though they are driving a FedEx truck?
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
12:21 <@CRasH180> wow, good luck with that
12:21 <@Corydon76-home> FedEx designed their business model specifically to evade federal labor laws
12:21 <@Dagmar> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/29/caucasians-t-shirt-tribe-called-red_n_5631865.html
12:21 <@CRasH180> Same in any situation though I suppose. Any company has its share of slack asses
12:21 <@GateKeeper> Title: 'Caucasians' T-shirt Sales Spike Thanks To A Tribe Called Red Member (TWEET) (at www.huffingtonpost.ca)
12:21 <@Dagmar> I will buy one, and I will wear it.
12:22 <@Dagmar> ...except everyone that has it is back-ordered.
12:24 <@wilpig_> articles like that irritate me.  they're clearly talking about a product but won't link to it.  they'll link to a 100 other stories that might semi-relate on some base level to some word in the story but not a single link to the item
12:26 <@wilpig_> I guess doing the digging to find a link to the product is the part that's work and not just copying down some inane story from another source.
12:28 <@wilpig_> http://shelflifeclothing.com/caucasians.html  nm  it was just fucking buried in the rest of the garbage
12:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Shelf Life Clothing Cleveland Caucasians Baseball Team Tees and Hoodies (at shelflifeclothing.com)
14:07 <@wilpig_> anyone bought a movie from itunes?
14:10 <@wilpig_> so my sister hit me up about finding her a copy of this movie.  http://getmortified.com
14:10 <@GateKeeper> Title: Mortified: Angst Written (at getmortified.com)
14:10 <@wilpig_> she wants to use it in her therapy stuff at the hostpital.  I told her she needed to contact them first to see if she even had permission to do a public display of it
14:11 <@wilpig_> the got back to her and said they'd be fine with her showing it like that but they don't have DVDs for sale and recommended she buy it on itunes and show or burn a dvd from that
14:11 <@wilpig_> so my question is what DRM does itunes use for movies and how easily can it be removed for transcoding to dvd, etc?
14:57 <@Corydon76-home> Isn't it just their FairPlay system still?
15:03 <@wilpig_> no clue.  never dealt with them at all.  that's why I was hoping one of y'all had
15:17 <@Dagmar> Have ya checked the usual sites?
15:40 <@wilpig_> yeah
15:41 <@wilpig_> it's a weird indie thing that nobody would normally want
15:56 <@eryc> have you tried http://itunesdrmremovalwithaddedspyware.com
15:59 <@wilpig_> I have tried nothing yet.  I was asking what people had knowledge of before I looked at doing anything
16:04 <@eryc> why would we use itunes
16:04 <@eryc> you commie whore
16:09 <@Catonic> wow, that's friendly.
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, that would be a capitalist pig.  Commies don't purchase movies in the first place.
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16:16 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/gallery/uaSXO
16:16 < aestetix_> man this is awesome
16:16 < aestetix_> most hilarious response to the feminism trolls I've seen
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16:33 <@wilpig_> If I suffer from a fatal accident at work today.  it wasn't an accident.  floyd was getting revenge for Corydon76-home's granny porn tumblr link
16:34 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig_: I really don't get why anybody is upset by something they already host
16:36 < aestetix_> your granny porn tumblr link?
16:36 < aestetix_> you did post NSFW next to it right? ;)
16:50 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: no.  he said it was sfw(safe for wilpig)
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> Tumblr... the porn hosting company...
16:57 <@Corydon76-home> You think they'd've gotten bought by Yahoo if they admitted that was their actual usage?
16:58 <@Corydon76-home> BTW, I've now helped an actual porn company with their Tumblr style sheets
16:58 <@wilpig_> yes
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17:02 < aestetix_> how much of tumblr is actually porn?
17:02 <@wilpig_> no clue
17:02 <@Dagmar> Probably about fappy percent
17:02 <@wilpig_> they don't track it like that
17:02 <@Dagmar> Sames as the rest of the internet.
17:02 < aestetix_> Dagmar: so 90%
17:09 <@wilpig_> Dagmar: that line got nothing.  
17:09 <@wilpig_> I laughed.  pretty loud actually
17:09 <@Dagmar> heh
17:16 <@Dagmar> OKay, it's official
17:16 <@Dagmar> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/28/jesse-jackson-seeks-eeoc-scrutiny-of-tech-industry/13270991/
17:16 <@GateKeeper> Title: Jesse Jackson: Tech diversity is next civil rights step (at www.usatoday.com)
17:16 <@Dagmar> Jessee Jackson is an idiot.
17:17 <@Dagmar> I *would* like to see the H1B situation investigated closely, since so many companies are very clearly hunting H1B candidates because they'll work for cheaper and they won't quit because they're afraid they'll have to leave the country
17:17 < aestetix_> oh god I saw that
17:18 <@Dagmar> ...but for there to be an equal number of minorities in this workplace, there needs to be an equal number of minority candidates.
17:18 <@Dagmar> ...meaning fuckers need to develop the skills and apply for some jobs.
17:18 < aestetix_> there's the whole pay issue too
17:19 <@Dagmar> Oh I think just _everyone's_ getting fucked over when it comes to pay in the tech industry
17:19 < aestetix_> I guess it's worth asking these idiots whether diversity is more important than equal pay
17:19 < aestetix_> yes
17:19 <@Dagmar> There's the rare 10% of companies who pay well, and then there's the other 90% where they're just inches away from firing everyone and trying to bring in more H1B's to replace them.
17:20 < aestetix_> Dagmar: in san francisco the percentage of late model BMWs, Lexuss and Jaguars has skyrocketed
17:20 <@Dagmar> Those are likely owned by landlords.
17:20 < aestetix_> Mostly startup rounders who just raised a round
17:20 < aestetix_> haha
17:25 < aestetix_> Dagmar: is tech everywhere like that?
17:25 < aestetix_> I can tell you tech in the bay area is completely fucked
17:25 <@Dagmar> Like what?
17:25 <@Dagmar> Most places *don't* pay people shit
17:25 < aestetix_> Which sucks because it has driven out every other industry
17:25 <@Dagmar> The Bay area is a notable exception
17:26 <@Dagmar> The word you're looking for is "geeksploitation"
17:26 < aestetix_> haha
17:26 < aestetix_> This is a place where you can be making a six figure income and living paycheck to paycheck
17:26 < aestetix_> because the cost of living is so fucking high
17:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah and that's probably the *only* reason the companies there are paying well
17:27 < aestetix_> Which sounds unreal, but if your rent is $2500 a month...
17:27 <@Dagmar> I'm starting to see that most of the people in this department are basically convinced that the insurance benefits are worth the money they're not being paid
17:27 < aestetix_> Except that we should have health care covered by taxes
17:28 <@Dagmar> Later this year I believe we'll be having a 10-year service awards thing
17:28 <@Dagmar> I'm going to try to line something new up before then
17:28 < aestetix_> Is that "congrats for surviving for 10 years without being laid off"
17:29 <@Dagmar> Probably more like "Congrats for putting up with our shit for a decade"
17:29 <@Dagmar> "...and please don't make a scene"
17:29 < RangerZ> he gets a gold watch
17:29 <@Dagmar> No, I might get a fake gold pin.
17:29 < aestetix_> RangerZ: no, a lapel pin
17:29 < RangerZ> b/c they didn't plan on anyone ever making 30 yrs
17:29 <@Dagmar> ...but more importantly, I'll get an opportunity to speak.
17:29 <@Dagmar> :)
17:29 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you've been at your place for 10 years?
17:29 <@Dagmar> Just about
17:29 < aestetix_> wow
17:29 < aestetix_> you're old
17:29 < RangerZ> different depts. and all over campus
17:29 <@Dagmar> I think I started inn 2004 or 2005
17:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: I can also probably work out how to catch a train there to beat your ass
17:30 < aestetix_> haha
17:30 < RangerZ> you gotta get to memphis, then go up to chicago, then directly to san fran
17:30 <@Dagmar> Originally this was a place I could consider retiring at
17:30 < RangerZ> (I was just looking last night)
17:30 <@Dagmar> No longer.
17:31 <@Dagmar> Unless there's some major changes very soon, and I mean this year, I'm going to leave and do my best to sew dissent before I go
17:31 < aestetix_> and how many years in a row have you been saying that?
17:31 <@Dagmar> Just one
17:32 <@Dagmar> Before I transferred I was just going to fucking quit.
17:32 <@Dagmar> Now I'm irked enough to make people start asking uncomfortable questions of upper management
17:32 < RangerZ> like "where did that 20m$ go?"
17:32 < RangerZ> lol
17:32 <@Dagmar> Something like that, es.
17:33 <@Dagmar> Cuz I am still kinda peeved about them showing us how much they spent on X number of employees
17:33 < RangerZ> thats NEVER a good idea
17:34 < RangerZ> thats why I actually like State Univ positions, is b/c the pays are all public
17:34 <@Dagmar> ...which was basically a claim that they were spending, on average, above $100,000 per employee per year.
17:34 <@Dagmar> I know goddamn well my health benefits don't make up the difference
17:34 <@Dagmar> So the question becomes, how many talentless fuckwits (because the place has piles of them) here are being so wildly overpaid that they can't be gotten rid of.
17:35 <@Dagmar> I suspect that number may also include hush money.
17:35 < aestetix_> Dagmar: at least you don't work at Comcast: http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/28/5936959/comcast-confessions-when-every-call-is-a-sales-call
17:35 <@Dagmar> LOL nope
17:35 <@Dagmar> Not a chance.
17:35 < aestetix_> I did work there at one point
17:35 <@Dagmar> It's not without reason I am just on the edge of abusive with their people.
17:36 <@Dagmar> I may start warning them the same way I warn the people at Best Buy.
17:36 <@Dagmar> "The rules with me are simple.  You can lie to me twice, and I may or may not call you on it.  After the third lie, I eat your soul."
17:37 <@Dagmar> The last jackhole I reamed over there was trying to sell me on AT&T's vapornet
17:37 <@Dagmar> He flat out fabricated some shit multiple times, nevermind that I was just in there to buy some SDcards
17:38 <@Dagmar> It only took three sentences that were roughly 20% pejorative and 25% obscenity to make him shut his hole and go away.
17:38 <@Dagmar> ...and I *did* warn him.
17:38 < RangerZ> ohh the best is when they call me... trying to sell me "uVerse"
17:38 < RangerZ> at 756 kbps as "high speed"
17:39 <@Dagmar> Feel free to tell them "you're not qualified to talk to me about this"
17:39 < RangerZ> and they "just installed fiber in my neighborhood" , so I can get 3Mbps in a month
17:39 < RangerZ> and up to 24Mbps by the end of th year
17:39 <@Dagmar> ...which is utter bullshit.
17:39 <@Dagmar> Complete and utter bullshit
17:39 < RangerZ> i just chuckled
17:40 <@Dagmar> AT&T is still flogging the whole "We're going to be setting up gigabit internet service in Nashville Real Soon Now" to the media
17:40 <@Dagmar> Never mentioning a price or a timetable.
17:40 < RangerZ> I was like... I had that speed in 2003
17:40 <@Dagmar> I emailed WTVF last week reminding them that it's a load of bullshit and they should stop acting as AT&T's PR mouthpiece because vapornet is not news.
17:41 <@Dagmar> You can just about bet that when AT&T finally deigns to "roll out" their gigabit service here, it will cost at least 50% more than any other tier of service
17:43 <@Dagmar> They have no idea how to run an ISP
17:43 <@Dagmar> Their share price is $55 and they're paying about a dollar a year in dividends.
17:44 <@Dagmar> It's not even rational to buy their stock
17:44 < RangerZ> yeah
17:44 <@Dagmar> ...so where the fuck is that money going?
17:44 < RangerZ> CEO/etc
17:44 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
17:45 < RangerZ> honestly, most stocks now a day are a risky bet, I would easily invest in some solar panels before a company right now
17:45 < RangerZ> at least the panels would exist after the next bubble
17:46 < RangerZ> lol
17:47 <@Dagmar> They're a btter investment than most stocks
17:55 < aestetix_> you know
17:55 < aestetix_> free market capitalism might work if it didn't turn those guys into douchebags
17:59 <@Corydon76-home> Pffft, actual free market capitalism never works, because it relies upon people acting in good faith
18:00 < aestetix_> that too
18:00 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: you're not a fan of the invisible hand?
18:00 <@Corydon76-home> Only regulated market capitalism works to some extent
18:01 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAlvl_lGEJM fucking pissed that its not what I thought it was
18:01 <@GateKeeper> Title: Nightcrawler - Teaser Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:01 <@Corydon76-home> I'm all in favor of an invisible hand, as long as it's the hand of big government threatening to squash businesses that screw their customers
18:01 < RangerZ> or make false DMCA takedown notices ;)
18:03 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: what happens when that big government is elected by large corporations that funded their campaigns?
18:04 <@Corydon76-home> If that ever happens, we're fucked
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18:16 <@Dagmar> Well... um... don't look now, but....
18:21 < RangerZ> jesus christ... I'm now "that old man" at my apartment complex
18:22 < aestetix_> man that article is so true
18:22 < RangerZ> b/c the kids were out playing on the wood left from repairing the steps to the apt
18:22 < aestetix_> Comcast also has the clocks in the break room set five minutes fast
18:23 < RangerZ> and I went out to tell them to stop playing on it, so they don't get hurt, then the little fucker lied to me saying "i wasn't playing on it"... ugh
18:25 <@wilpig_> RangerZ: get a stick to shake at them
18:25 <@wilpig_> just imagine that pile of wood is "my grass"
18:26 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: if that was true, Romney would be the president now.
18:26 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I disagree. Obama is a much better puppet than Romney
18:26 <@wilpig_> Corydon76-home: you think that the corporations wanted romney?  comcast didn't have to show him being crazy to the world
18:27 <@wilpig_> the corporations shot him in the back to clear the way
18:27 < aestetix_> Obama is convinced he isn't being played, while at the same time being completely played
18:30 <@Corydon76-home> I think we're still fortunate that most corporations couldn't give a shit who was president
18:31 <@Corydon76-home> But yes, Koch Industries wanted Romney
18:38 < aestetix_> wilpig_: btw you never answerd my question
18:38 < aestetix_> The Expendables 3. Really?!?!
18:41 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: I have worse movies
18:41 < aestetix_> Does that mean Expendables 3 is better than 2?
18:42 < aestetix_> Beause Expendables 2 was fucking awful.
18:42 <@Shadow404> the original was great
18:42 <@Shadow404> 2 was a stretch
18:42 < aestetix_> I never saw 1
18:42 <@Shadow404> right aestetix_?
18:42 <@Shadow404> but 2 fit ok?
18:42 < aestetix_> 2 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen
18:43 < aestetix_> it was like "hey let's randomly bring in chuck norris with no explanation!"
18:43 <@Shadow404> (how many other people caught that setup?)
18:43 < aestetix_> Shadow404: were you making a butt play joke?
18:43 <@Shadow404> slow but steady.....way to go aestetix_
18:44 < aestetix_> are you suggesting that watching the expendables is as redeeming as watching you perform butt play?
18:46 <@Shadow404> thats exactly what i was saying
18:46 < aestetix_> by logical deduction
18:46 < aestetix_> does wilpig_ enjoy watching you perform butt play?
18:47 <@Corydon76-home> You know the world is not right when Shadow404 is making fun of someone else for being slow.
18:49 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-home: i probably couldnt make that joke any easier to catch on too
18:53 < aestetix_> Hmm Shadow404 you like butt play right?
18:53 < aestetix_> You should let Corydon76-home top you
18:54 <@Shadow404> sad way to redeem yourself aestetix_
18:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: you realize that's about as lame as seeing as how you like women, and setting you up on a date with a woman in a retirement home, right?
18:56 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I'd like to think your skills as a top exceed that
19:00 <@Corydon76-home> You don't really need skills, just an abnormally large penis.
19:02 <@Corydon76-home> That's all that half the guys really care about anyway
19:02 < aestetix_> Shadow404: is that true?
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19:13 < aestetix_> http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/politics/gop-obama-lawsuit/index.html
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20:26 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/More-Than-15K-Affected-By-Nashville-Water-Outage-269236861.html
20:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: More Than 15K Affected By Nashville Water Outage - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> <aestetix_> This is a place where you can be making a six figure income and living paycheck to paycheck
20:46 <@Bahhumbug> Then it's fucking up and time to move somewhere that doesn't suck.
20:49 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: if you make $100k a year and pay $2500 for rent
20:49 < aestetix_> Everything else quickly adds up
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck paying $2500 for rent, number 1.
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sorry people in the bay are retarded.
20:53 <@Bahhumbug> But if you're living paycheck to paycheck on $100,000.00 a year you're either in the wrong area or you have shit for brains when it comes to managing money.
20:53 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, yeah.  That's why a sixth of the nation's economy flows through California.  It's because they're retarded.
20:54 <@Corydon76-home> You want retarded, try North Dakota, which even with the black gold rush, is still the least populated state in the country, because it gets fucking cold in the winter, and other than energy reserves, there's nothing worth having there.
20:55 <@Corydon76-home> Even Alaska has more social redeeming value than North Dakota
20:56 < aestetix_> So if I don't want the NSA to bother me, I should move to North Dakota
20:57 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: the cost of living here is insanely high.
20:57 <@Bahhumbug> Then fucking move.
20:57 <@Bahhumbug> Same thing I tell people that whine about NYC
20:57 < aestetix_> I mean, a bagel and a coffee costs $7 at some places
20:57 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, you could take what your annual earnings in California and retire in North Dakota
20:58 < aestetix_> I mean there's also the fact that a lot of the startup workers here buy all kinds of shit they don't need
20:58 <@Corydon76-home> You'll probably freeze to death in your first winter there, but hey, retirement means living well until you die, so what's the difference?
20:58 < aestetix_> I've seen someone buy $20 of shit in the checkout lane of a grocery store on a whim and shrug it off
20:59 < aestetix_> That kind of stuff happens all the time
20:59 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: it's called retail therapy
20:59 <@Corydon76-home> I buy shit I don't need all the time
21:00 <@Corydon76-home> When you're raised in a consumerist society, sometimes you just need to consume to feel right
21:00 < aestetix_> http://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/t/categories/coffees
21:00 < aestetix_> Blue Bottle is one of the really popular up and coming shops around here
21:00 < aestetix_> It's worth noting that instead of taking a bank loan, they took money from VCs
21:00 <@Corydon76-home> They sell coffee, which I don't drink
21:01 < aestetix_> yeah here it is
21:01 < aestetix_> http://valleywag.gawker.com/vc-justifies-investing-in-blue-bottle-coffee-by-calling-1550674682
21:02 <@Corydon76-home> and I don't know why anybody would still take money from Vulture Capitalists
21:02 <@Dagmar> Just look on news.ycombinator
21:02 <@Dagmar> THere's plenty of people silly enough to do it there
21:02 < aestetix_> There seems to be this trend towards spending more money on the same shit
21:02 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: the whole blue bottle investment breaks me
21:03 < aestetix_> A VC invests because he expects to see profits.
21:03 < aestetix_> Which usually means scaling.
21:03 < aestetix_> And blue bottle, by definition of how they run, cannot scale.
21:03 < aestetix_> (They actually roast and grind beans freshly for every individual cup)
21:03 < aestetix_> Then there's the ice cream thing I can't remember it's name
21:04 <@Corydon76-home> Ben & Jerry's?
21:04 <@Bahhumbug> https://twitter.com/andypiper/status/490952891058757632/photo/1
21:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / andypiper: Wise words #oscon ... (at twitter.com)
21:04 < aestetix_> This chick... her husband got rich off a startup, so she started this company making ice cream via vapor or something
21:04 <@Corydon76-home> Dipping Dots?
21:04 < aestetix_> no
21:04 < aestetix_> there's only one location so far, it's in SOMA in san francisco
21:05 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: Look at that image, I think you will like it.
21:05 < aestetix_> she "invented" some new technique
21:05 <@Corydon76-home> So did Dipping Dots
21:05 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: LOL
21:05 < aestetix_> that's great
21:05 <@Corydon76-home> and this vapor method sounds suspiciously like Dippin' Dots
21:06 < aestetix_> I think this is it: http://theicecreambarsf.com/
21:08 <@Bahhumbug> Looks like "theicecreambarf" when you glance at it quickly.
21:08 <@Bahhumbug> Great brand recognition.
21:09 < aestetix_> haha
21:09 < aestetix_> I'm noting the lack of prices on the website, I'm pretty sure the last time I went there, two small bowls cost us like $14
21:11 <@Bahhumbug> Did you buy it?
21:11 <@Bahhumbug> If so, you're part of the problem :)
21:15 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, this is amusing.  I rarely log into linkedin but I did just now for something and noticed that McElroy sent me an invite.
22:05 <@Corydon76-home> He's a businessman.  Businessmen love that site.
22:07 <@Corydon76-home> I'm also somewhat amused by the technical recruiters who contact me through Linked-In.
22:08 < aestetix_> pen*s
22:08 <@Corydon76-home> Like, "You're a Senior Developer, can I interest you in <job-that-I'm-not-remotely-qualified-for>?"
22:09 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I get a lot of those about PHP
22:09 < aestetix_> I haven't worked in PHP since 2007
22:10 <@Corydon76-home> And when I point that out, the response I get is typically, "Oh, but that's just the IDEAL candidate.  You match some of the criteria; can I set up an interview?"
22:10 < aestetix_> And they always want me to relocate to some godforsaken place
22:10 < aestetix_> Which means either they are not doing any matching, or they have a very old resume
22:11 <@Corydon76-home> After the last one, I found that Linked-In now has a section that you can fill in to help recruiters distinguish whether you have any chance at all of accepting.
22:11 <@Corydon76-home> I put something to the effect of "I'm not interested in moving away from Nashville" in mine.
22:11 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: you could move to the bay area
22:12 <@Corydon76-home> Until Nashville is located in the Bay Area, not going to happen
22:12 <@Bahhumbug> My resume has always stated "Not willing to relocate".  Even before linked in (ie. monster.com and such) that got ignored fully 100% of the time.
22:13 <@Bahhumbug> My linkedin profile is virtually empty.  I like it this way :)
22:13 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: There is a remote possibility that I would relocate.  But it would have to be a sizeable jump in spending power.
22:13 <@Corydon76-home> I also really, really like working from home
22:14 <@Bahhumbug> I like my farm.  I like not having neighbors in the classical urban sense.  I like nature.  I like quiet.  I'm not moving.
22:14 <@Bahhumbug> Besides, when I moved into our current place I vowed to never move again.
22:14 <@Corydon76-home> I also like high speed Internet
22:15 <@Corydon76-home> and while I enjoy the relative peace of an isolated residence, I don't enjoy the lack of suitable connectivity
22:16 <@Corydon76-home> There is land somewhat nearby that if I had the resources, I'd build a home there, put up sufficient sound-absorbing walls and heavy tree cover, and I could have both.
22:17 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: do you go cow tipping?
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> I have high speed internet.
22:18 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, as much as you go firebombing SUVs in SF
22:18 <@wilpig_> I wonder if I should set an alarm to buy primus tickets tomorrow
22:18 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, they're still around?
22:19 < aestetix_> I saw a reddit thread today that described Green Day's "American Idiot" as a classic
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah....
22:20 <@Bahhumbug> no.
22:21 < aestetix_> I know
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> @google green day american idiot release date
22:21 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: American Idiot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idiot>; American Idiot (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idiot_(song)>; Green Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Day>; American Idiot (musical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> September 20, 2004
22:21 <@Bahhumbug> Well, it is 10 years old.
22:22 < aestetix_> It seems like it just came out
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> (Or nearly so, anyway)
22:22 <@Bahhumbug> I'm old.  Everything seems like it just came out.
22:24 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: Do you remember when The Arrogant Worms' first album came out?
22:25 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.
22:25 <@Bahhumbug> Never heard of 'em
22:25 <@Bahhumbug> @google arrogant worms
22:25 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: The Arrogant Worms: <http://www.arrogantworms.com/>; The Arrogant Worms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrogant_Worms>; Arrogant Worms - Carrot Juice is Murder - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM>; Arrogant Worms - Happy Birthday - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXO_5e8oO0>; Arrogant Worms (arrogantworms) on Twitter: (1 more message)
22:25 <@Corydon76-home> Their  first album came out in 1992
22:26 <@Bahhumbug> They use comic sans on their web site.
22:26 <@Bahhumbug> So much for that.
22:26 <@Corydon76-home> They're a comedy group
22:26  * Bahhumbug nods
22:26 <@Corydon76-home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM
22:26 <@Bahhumbug> Still not familiar with 'em at all.
22:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Arrogant Worms - Carrot Juice is Murder - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:27 < aestetix_> Oh joy.
22:27 < aestetix_> In about a month, we'll get to find out whether the media will go nuts about 9/11 yet again
22:27 < aestetix_> Or whether it's slowly begun to fade from memory
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> They won't.
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> It's old news.
22:27 <@Bahhumbug> The 10th anniversary wasn't even as big as I thought it would be.
22:27 < aestetix_> And yet, every law enforcement uses it as justification for all the laws they break.
22:28 < aestetix_> What scares me is that teenagers and even college kids have no recollection of it
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> No, they claim P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.
22:28 <@Bahhumbug> It _was_ 13 years ago.
22:29 <@Bahhumbug> It's hard to believe, but it's been a while now.
22:29 < aestetix_> And worse, they have no recollection of how things were before it.
22:29 < aestetix_> And just how bad things have gotten in the US because of it
22:29 <@Bahhumbug> That's the bigger issue in my mind, yes
22:30 < aestetix_> Or that there was a time for a few years when if you weren't outwardly "patriotic" you would get attacked by neighbors
22:30 < aestetix_> (I have a friend... his dad refused to put up an american flag, and only finally did when someone egged his door)
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> Just after the incident I had to stop a couple of red neck dipshits from trying to murder a co-worker of mine in the 'boro that was Afghani while we were at lunch.
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> I almost had to ballbat one of them just before the cops showed up.
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> That happened a couple times afterwards as well.
22:39 <@Bahhumbug> The country went stupid.
22:41 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: yeah, because nothing says patriotism like being forced by others into displaying something outwardly
22:49 < aestetix_> Bahhumbug: yep.
22:56 < aestetix_> http://imgur.com/a/HCQf5
22:56 < aestetix_> And this is why I hate meth
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