--- Log opened Mon Jul 28 00:00:02 2014
00:00 <@Dagmar> Wilpig: LOL I dig this chick
00:02 <@wilpig_> i'm amused by her.  "I don't need feminism because i have all the same rights as a man. we won"
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00:07 < RangerZ|Laptop> FYI... incase anyone wants to watch it... SJW: Social Justice Warrior... b/c I wasn't familiar with acronym... and had to google it... (but was smart enough to do so in incognito) lol
00:07 <@Dagmar> I didn't.
00:07 <@Dagmar> I'm ready to tell a whole bunch of people to go straight to hell, tho'.
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00:08 <@Dagmar> ...and the SJWs are at the top of that list.
00:08 <@Dagmar> You know how many resumes we get from women at the office?
00:08 <@Dagmar> Less than ten percent.
00:08 <@Dagmar> NO BIG SURPRISE THERE'S A GENDER GAP
00:09 <@Dagmar> Zero sense in blaming the people working in the industry because no one sends in their goddamn resume.
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> well obviously they got the memo from CrazyPants that would tell them that they would be oppressed by you... so they knew not to apply in the first place
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> DUH
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
00:09 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
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00:11 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... the real problem is middle school, where girls are told 'math and sciences' are the 'boys subjects' and girls are promoted into crap pop culture and out of tech/sciences
00:17 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I've made the same argument about conference lineups
00:17 < aestetix_> It's hard to have a conference with 50/50 male/female speakers when 90% of the submissions are men
00:17 < aestetix_> Unless you want to advocate a quota system, but most conference organizers worth their salt won't do that
00:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> there are places where 'quota' systems do have a meaningful impact, such as education
00:20 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Luckily there's a system for hat http://conferencequotas.com/
00:20 <@GateKeeper> Title: Quick Orthodox Tokenism Assessment System (Qu.O.T.A. System) (at conferencequotas.com)
00:21 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I'm not in favor of quotas in general.
00:21 < aestetix_> I am in favor of people not being racist douchebags, but that doesn't mean we need quotas.
00:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> i wouldn't be... except they have been proved to work
00:22 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: they work until you get denied admission to a school you're otherwise qualified for because you're not black/indian/whatever
00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> ohh i agree, there are issues
00:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I'm a minority too ass hole and i don't like the insinuation that I wouldn't be at Vanderbilt if I wasn't
00:23 < aestetix_> If someone is a hard worker and a bright student, I don't care if you're black or white or irish or indian, as long as you do work and whatnot
00:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> "first generation college graduate from an economically depressed region" ;)
00:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> if case you are wondering how a white male counts as a 'minority'
00:23 < aestetix_> I do care if someone gets admitted because they are black/etc and really shouldn't be there
00:23 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: I think the term "white" actually needs to go away
00:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> have you SEEN me... ?
00:24 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: using the term "white" cancels out being irish, german, italian, french, etc
00:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm irish/english/dutch... the only way i could be whiter is to be my albino cousin
00:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:24 < aestetix_> Maybe this is me venting about the bay area
00:25 < aestetix_> But it's fucking annoying to hear people accuse me of oppression because I"m white
00:25 < aestetix_> Almost all of my family is irish, which up until 50 years ago were the white niggers
00:25 < aestetix_> And yet somehow none of that counts
00:25 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: you're oppressing me
00:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> just tell a black person "Actually the Irish were the first slaves brought to North America"
00:25 < aestetix_> hahahah
00:25 < RangerZ|Laptop> and they will 'grr @ you"
00:25 < aestetix_> Well I mean
00:26 < aestetix_> What little i know about my family is that they came over during the potato famine
00:26 < aestetix_> And the reason we don't know our lineage is because most of the men were drunks who got women pregnant and ran away
00:26 < aestetix_> also a church in ireland that housed family records that burned down in the mid-1800s
00:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> which is true, the spanish raided the irish coasts and brought them to the Caribbean, and there are documents and letters of the English saying that they should use Africans because the slave owners would treat them better than they do the Irish
00:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> I felt bad for saying this in my political science class, and basically pissing off this black girl who sat in front of me.
00:27 < aestetix_> well
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> then she wouldn't stop... and i said something wrong... "well the problem with Irish slaves was that they were smart enough to escape"
00:28 < aestetix_> Americans these days can't seem to remember beyond 50 years of history
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> she didn't like that....
00:28 < aestetix_> hahah
00:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> the room almost gave me a fucking standing ovation b/c it shut her up, and she was so fucking loud/annoying
00:30 < RangerZ|Laptop> and believe me... I fully understand why people don't like it when they feel like they didn't get into a school b/c of a 'quota' rule, My undergraduate was 'different' in that it had open enrollment, basically if you had a pulse you could get in
00:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> that was b/c we were the only part of Ohio to not have a community college, so my undergrad had to take up that mantle too
00:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> so we had people who probably couldn't pass the GED test taking 'math' classes
00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> and by 'math' I mean... pre-algebra
00:32 < aestetix_> well
00:32 < aestetix_> A lot of Americans just seem to have magically forgotten history
00:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> well.... its not 'magically'
00:33 < aestetix_> And assume the world began in 1776, and went into swing with Rosa Parks
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> Texas wanted Jefferson written out of history books
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> and conservative theory leaders inserted instead
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> thank god... that shit got nixed
00:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still
00:33 < aestetix_> Well also
00:34 < aestetix_> compulsory education is a bad thing
00:34 < aestetix_> Forcing kids who do not want to be in school to sit next to kids who do want to be ther
00:34 < aestetix_> yeah that's gonna work well
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> www.usbig.net/papers/175-Widerquist-LibertarianDilemma.doc
00:35 < aestetix_> That said I do believe in a good education for anyone who WANTS one
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> fucking urls
00:35 < aestetix_> fucking word docs
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah...
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> but otherwise for the proper PDF, you need to pay to be a member of SAGE
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> so ... THERE
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> for free
00:35 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> compulsory education is not a fucking bad idea.... jesus christ
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> you may say that the 'system' we have for it is bad... but... no... I think every person should know some history/math/reading/writing/etc
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> philosophy
00:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> et.al.
00:37 < aestetix_> And pray tell, how much history/math/reading/writing did that black girl who sat in front of you know?
00:38 < aestetix_> also to repeat, I am NOT A FUCKING LIBERTARIAN
00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol...
00:38 < RangerZ|Laptop> you just got done saying education isn't needed
00:38 < aestetix_> No I didn't
00:39 < aestetix_> I said compulsory education shouldn't be
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> w/e
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> either way, I thought you might find it interesting reading
00:39 < aestetix_> I don't like the idea of the government coming and snatching children away from the parents, against their parents will
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> they don't
00:39 < RangerZ|Laptop> you can home school your  children
00:39 < aestetix_> I'm also a big advocate of one room schoolhouses
00:39 < aestetix_> provided they meet some state requirements
00:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> yes... b/c a single teacher is going to be competent to teach every subject , especially at high school levels
00:40 < aestetix_> Uh no
00:41 < aestetix_> The point is that the students learn by teaching each other
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> hahaha
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> alright
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> goodnight
00:41 < aestetix_> wow I didn't mean to piss you off
00:41 < aestetix_> normally Bahhumbug is the one who emoquits at this point
00:41 < RangerZ|Laptop> i'm not pissed off, i think thats such a silly idea that its not even worth considering
00:42 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: have you read any John Taylor Gatto?
00:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> not that I'm aware of, but 'names' are an issue for me, let me go look to see what he writes
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, i haven't
00:43 < aestetix_> he wrote a fantastic book I recommend called "The Underground History of American Education"
00:43 < aestetix_> albeit I read it 10 years ago so details a bit hazy
00:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, i see it mentioned on his wiki page
00:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh, i see the main thesis concepts, and why you'd like it
00:45 <@Bahhumbug> Because it's full of penises?
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> without reading it, I can say I'm skeptical
00:45 < RangerZ|Laptop> "It makes it clear to them that they cannot hide, because they are always supervised.[13]"
00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> thats #7 of 7
00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> "It teaches them to accept their class affiliation."
00:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> class as in /socio-economic class
00:46 < aestetix_> he was a teacher for 30 years I guess he doesn't know anything
00:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: you realize there are PHDs in Molecular biology who believe in the Young-earth theory, and say that 'evolution only happens on microbes' not macro-evolution
00:47 < aestetix_> And I assume you disagree with them
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> just b/c you a teacher, or even one who is good at teaching (within the system he doesn't like) doesn't in and of itself mean they have valid points about the broader topics at discussion about education
00:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> no, I don't disagree with them, science does
00:48 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: and the teacher of the year award also means nothing?
00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> note I mentioned that already
00:49 < RangerZ|Laptop> "a teacher, or even one who is good at teaching (within the system he doesn't like) "
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> I'm not saying he doesn't have some points worth considering, but I could just as easily find a teacher with similar credentials that disagrees
00:50 < aestetix_> I'm interested in things that disagree with his evidence too
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> the #1 theory, that students aren't taught 'why' what they are learning is important... is without a doubt true
00:50 < aestetix_> right
00:50 < aestetix_> And he goes into a long history of where our education system came from
00:50 < aestetix_> It was very enlightening to me
00:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> but that doesn't mean you have to get rid of compulsory education, its an argument as to why we need to improve the system we have
00:51 < aestetix_> Well, what do you think is the purpose of the system we have?
00:51 < RangerZ|Laptop> the ONLY reason we have public education is because of the reformation in the Christian church, the Protestants wanted everyone to read the bible for themselves
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but, the only reason we have roads is to promote the high speed movement of troops
00:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> but just b/c the 'original' reason for something might be flawed, doesn't mean the resulting system isn't beneficial to society
00:52 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: actually a lot of the reason we have public "education" is because of industrialization
00:53 < aestetix_> ok that I will agree with completely
00:53 < aestetix_> but I don't think it applies here
00:53 < aestetix_> I mean, yes, training workers is beneficial to society
00:53 < RangerZ|Laptop> actually not really, look further back , it was b/c of reformation  really, and then later industrialization changed the size/shape of it
00:53 < aestetix_> But it's a misappropriation of the term to call it education
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> whatever... honestly I think you're being naive on this
00:54 < aestetix_> ok
00:54 < aestetix_> I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, provided there is evidence establishing that
00:54 < RangerZ|Laptop> I won't insult you further by saying you're stupid, b/c obviously you aren't, but I don't think you've thought this through
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> but I don't have time to really delve into this, which is why I said goodnight earlier, lol
00:55 < aestetix_> lol
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> I have some more coding to do
00:55 < RangerZ|Laptop> so 'goodnight' again, and I mean it this time
00:55 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: has anyone accidentally farted in your mouth when you were giving him a rimjob?
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05:13 <@Catonic> kligga.
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08:48 <@Dolemite_> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:56 < RangerZ|Laptop1> morning the rest of you
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11:04 <@wilpig_> stupid xm
11:04 <@wilpig_> https://twitter.com/Wilpig/status/493773239764914177
11:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Wilpig: @SIRIUSXM @SXMOctane If youre ... (at twitter.com)
11:04 <@wilpig_> I heard this url on the radio not even 60 seconds before I hit it
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13:12 <@Dolemite> Anybody in here have eithe positive/negative feedback regarding SSL certs from namecheap/comodo?
13:13 <@Mirage_> Karen M at VU talked about switching from globalsign to comodo under some educational program, but i don't think it ever happened.  not sure why.
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13:14 <@Dolemite> Well they're cheap ($9/year) so I'm heavily leaning that way.
13:16 <@Mirage> Be sure to check the signing chain.  I got mine from alphassl.com and they work natively on all platforms (so far as i know)
13:16 <@Mirage> Of course that's $49/yr.
13:18 <@Mirage> hrm..it seems like it was cheaper than that when i got mine...and the site now says "powered by globalsign".   i think i got mine for more like $25
13:26 <@Dagmar>  Of course, she's not a good inficatof or anything because they are *still* burning money on certs over there.
13:27 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I wouldn't really go to Karen M as a technical resource for anything
13:28 <@wilpig_> well money does grow on trees
13:29 <@Dagmar> No it doesn't or they'd pay people
13:29 <@Dolemite> Considering the fact that I won't be conducting any commerce over SSL, nor will I be storing PII, the $9/year cert should be fine.
13:30 <@wilpig_> hey!  don't you tell them how to compost their money.  it's their money to burn or turn into fertilizer.  you people not getting paid the right amount should be happy that they used that money to fertilize all those pretty trees you get to look at
13:36 < aestetix_> http://dayswithoutansslexploit.com/
13:36 <@eryc> i've used positivessl before with no problems
13:43 <@Catonic> At one time Decius recommended comodo.
13:44  * Catonic tacictly avoids a discussion about fiat currenties
13:44 <@Catonic> *currencies
13:46 < aestetix_> how about that federal reserve
14:14 <@eryc> a couple of comodo's resellers got owned a while back
14:15 <@eryc> but its so cheap that i'd still use them
14:25 <@NotLarry> I thought money grew on sheep...
14:31 <@NotLarry> Wait, that's regret, not money...
14:31 < aestetix_> so is phreaknic going to have innuendo bingo this year?
14:32 <@opticron> nah, just the usual in-your-endo bingo
14:35 < aestetix_> that was an unfunny joke
14:36 <@Dolemite> I'm not exactly sure what phreaknic will have this year.  Let me consult the webpage.
14:36 < aestetix_> looks like there will be a pig roast
14:36 <@Dolemite> Will there?
14:36 < aestetix_> I draw that conclusion from the icon of a pink pig in the lower right corner
14:37 <@oddball> That's what our glorious leader says.
14:37 < aestetix_> It is clearly a subtle hint at a pig roast
14:37 <@Dolemite> That or it's the icon Wilpig put there when he threw that stub site up after last year's phreaknic
14:38 < aestetix_> well get anarchival to finish making the website
14:40 <@Shadow404> ....
14:42 <@oddball> I've been told that making a website is hard.
14:43 <@oddball> Although, I guess PN is still ahead of Skydogcon.  They've still got last year's site up.
14:44 <@oddball> Oh... and the folks in the hackerconsortium are under the belief that there will be one this year.
14:44 <@Dolemite> oddball: But there is no more hackerconsortium
14:44 < aestetix_> man
14:44 < aestetix_> you ever look at a picture of a girl and are like "she looks like a bitch"
14:44 <@oddball> Dolemite: Well, the irc channel.
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14:45 <@Dolemite> Well I did see some of them retweet/facebook post the tweet that the dates had been announced
14:45 <@oddball> I should probably get ready to go beat kids for fun and profit.
14:45 < aestetix_> I wonder if they are going the "who needs  a website, we'll just make a facebook page" route
14:46 <@oddball> It's amazing... call it a martial arts class, and people will not only bring their kids to you for the beatings, but they'll pay you!
14:46 <@oddball> aestetix_: nope
14:47 <@oddball> oh... sorry... maybe?
14:48 <@Dolemite> There's a Facebook page, but it hasn't been a source of information, either
14:49 <@oddball> Looks like he posted a couple things on the 14th.
14:49 <@oddball> or are you talking about PN?
14:52 < aestetix_> no skydogcon
15:16 <@Dolemite> I do have to say, though, that I'm surprised Skyogcon is still slated for Nashville, when skydog moved to SC nearly 9 months ago.
15:17 < _specialk_> i didnt know skydog was detached from pn..
15:17 < _specialk_> shows how much i know!
15:17 <@Dolemite> You really are special, then, _specialk_
15:17 < _specialk_> indeed
15:17 <@Mirage> kind of happens when you start stabbing prople in the back and talking trash.
15:17 <@Dolemite> prople?
15:17 < _specialk_> wow.. weird.. didnt think he was that kinda dude
15:18 <@Mirage> Dolemite: Bite me.
15:18 <@Dolemite> None of us thought he was
15:18 <@wilpig_> _specialk_: you have to be really close to him to find that out
15:18 < _specialk_> and ladymerlin?
15:18 < _specialk_> wasnt she pretty close to him?
15:18 <@wilpig_> ladymerlin is her own animal.  she's still okay.  but she was dating him for a quite a while
15:18 <@Mirage> _was_ is the operative word there which fits most of us in the channel.
15:19 < _specialk_> ah
15:19 < _specialk_> i always liked her.. nice girl
15:19 <@wilpig_> _specialk_: say what you mean.  you want to put it in her pooper.  it's okay.  we understand
15:20 < _specialk_> lol.. uhh you must have the wrong guy.. i always bmog (brought my own girl) (even if she was the same one..f rom when i was 19)
15:20 < _specialk_> hehe
15:20 <@wilpig_> I really need to rename this brother shit to label maker.  I can't ever remember what the fuck it called when I need to make labels
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15:28 < aestetix_> once again I am on the verge of having chef working
15:28 < aestetix_> every time I get around 95% complete I get hit with something that requires me to work on something else for a month or two
15:31 < _specialk_> thats pretty mcuh how all sfowtare is..
15:32 < _specialk_> if you're doing it right anyway
15:35 < aestetix_> ok so
15:35 < aestetix_> putting apart the disgustingness of someone molesting a 10 year old
15:35 < aestetix_> how is it even physically possible? like an adult male and a 10 year old girl
15:36 <@Mirage> aestetix_: the girl wears a strap-on?
15:36 < aestetix_> heh
15:44 <@klixa> aestetix_: how is it you know so little about anatomoy?
15:44 <@klixa> anatomy*
15:45 <@wilpig_> klixa: it's a trap!
15:45 < aestetix_> klixa: can 10 year old girls get wet?
15:45 < aestetix_> god that sounds gross
15:46 <@Mirage> aestetix_: k-y.com
15:46 < aestetix_> no
15:46 <@klixa> aestetix_: yes and no
15:46 <@wilpig_> great.  we're all about to get a visit from notlarry's favorite tv stalker.
15:46 < aestetix_> you're telling me some guy would rip off a little girls pants, lather on k-y, and go to town?
15:46 <@Mirage> aestetix_: Corydon may have some other suggestions on lubricants
15:46 < aestetix_> that is so fucked up
15:47 <@klixa> i mean, there is always lubrication aestetix_ , but before puberty its just functional and had nothing to do with arousal
15:47 <@klixa> has*
15:47 < aestetix_> functional?
15:47 <@klixa> yeah, to keep the vagina lubricated... so it doesnt get dry, etc
15:47 <@klixa> kee it healthy
15:47 <@klixa> keep*
15:47 <@wilpig_> LALALALALALALALALALA
15:47 <@wilpig_> I CAN"T HEAR YOU
15:47 <@wilpig_> LALALALALALALALA
15:47 < aestetix_> but penises don't need to stay lubricated
15:48 <@klixa> aestetix_: anyway tho, i imagine molestation is painful
15:48 < aestetix_> I wonder if this is bringing up bad memories for wilpig_
15:48 <@Mirage> wilpig_: this a subject that suposedly is at least mildly disturbing to aestetix_ (even though he keeps on about it)...why not have some fun with it.
15:48 < aestetix_> I mean what happens if a 10 year old girls vagina gets dry
15:49 < aestetix_> Mirage: I do find the topic mentally disturbing and it almost makes me physically ill
15:49 <@Mirage> aestetix_: spit?
15:49 < aestetix_> Mirage: but I ask these questions for science
15:49 <@wilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zo7tv0vdnwbuzjf/nicetomeetyou.jpg
15:49 <@Mirage> aestetix_: uh, huh...
15:49 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I can put you in touch with a guy in the North Dakota Penitentiary who molested a 4 year old girl, who can probably fill you in on the specifics
15:49 <@klixa> aestetix_: i dont believe dryness would happen...its kinda like your mouth is always lubricated by saliva
15:49 < aestetix_> HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE
15:49 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: but better hurry; he's due to be released in September.
15:50 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: why isn't he in jail for life?
15:50 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I think I speak for the vast majority of us in saying that we've never even considered it, and we don't care.
15:50 < aestetix_> I have my issues with the sex offender list, but you fuck a child, you go to jail for the rest of your life
15:51 <@Mirage> aestetix_: "North Dakota Penitentiary"
15:51 <@wilpig_> this effect is pretty bad ass.  http://aqqindex.com/
15:51 <@wilpig_> scroll
15:51 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: define child
15:51 < aestetix_> wilpig_: I think a 4 year old counts as a child
15:51 <@klixa> pre puberty
15:51 <@wilpig_> obviously.  but to the court so does a 17yr old
15:52 < aestetix_> if you fuck a 4 year old you go to jail forever
15:52 < aestetix_> and you and your testicles get to occupy different jail cells
15:52 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.dreamindemon.com/community/threads/corey-baker-gets-ridiculously-light-sentence-for-child-molestation.61204/
15:52 <@GateKeeper> Title: Corey Baker Gets Ridiculously Light Sentence For Child Molestation | The Demons Den (at www.dreamindemon.com)
15:52 < aestetix_> klixa: so even a 10 year old can get a dry vagina?
15:52 <@klixa> aestetix_: i didnt say that
15:53 <@Corydon76-home> Ignore the sentence that says he's already released.  He violated his probation, and he's serving his full sentence.
15:53 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: why did they let him out in the first place?
15:53 <@Corydon76-home> Read the article
15:53 <@Corydon76-home> It was a plea deal
15:54 <@Corydon76-home> 99% of charges never make it to a trial
15:54 <@klixa> aestetix_: are you austistic?
15:54 <@klixa> autistic*
15:57 < aestetix_> klixa: no more than anyone else in here
15:57 <@klixa> ok
16:00 <@Corydon76-home> BTW, he was one of two child molesters we came across during my time working with a gay youth chat room
16:00 < aestetix_> did the other one also go to jail?
16:00 <@Corydon76-home> Nope, because he was a minor at the time of offense
16:01 < aestetix_> I don't mind if someone has sexual feelings for children. It's when they act on those feelings that I think they belong in jail.
16:02 <@Corydon76-home> When I first signed up to be a moderator in the chat room, I was thinking about helping what you would consider normal kids.  But no, you get to experience every extreme.
16:03 <@Corydon76-home> I wouldn't even consider the child molesters to be the worst types.  The worst are the sociopaths
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> Those are the ones who toy with people's emotions to the breaking point and beyond
16:05 <@Corydon76-home> At least child molesters I dealt with were ashamed of what they did.  The sociopaths aren't.
16:06 <@NotLarry> klixa: you're not pre puberty right?
16:06 <@klixa> sociopaths are an odd breed ..they arent even really people
16:06 <@klixa> NotLarry: no
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> NotLarry: it would be a neat trick, considering she's given birth
16:06 < aestetix_> klixa: most C level execs I have met are sociopaths
16:07 <@klixa> aestetix_: yeah, sociopaths often do well :/ (the non violent ones)
16:07 <@klixa> no empathy to hold them back
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> There's a difference between being cold and being truly sociopathic, though
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> While I've certainly heard stories about sociopathic C level execs, I don't think I've actually come across any
16:09 <@klixa> the worst people i have met are people with borderline personaity disorder
16:09 <@klixa> i have nevr met a sociopath that i am aware of...i mean i am sure i have , but i was unware
16:09 <@wilpig_> but klixa.  I thoughtyou said I was one of the best people you've met?
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: depends.  BPD can manifest itself in different ways
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> The worst ones are those for whom BPD is informally diagnosed based upon actions and not those truly in the care of a psychiatric professional
16:10 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: they all, in my expereince, lash out against you when you *wrong* them and 90% of the wrongs are just in their head
16:11 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: in the cases I've seen, the way of lashing out can include self-annihilation
16:11 <@klixa> i am a magnet for borderline people
16:12 <@klixa> my mom was borderline, my best friend, a guy i liked, and then various random other ones over the years... i guess because i dont leave when they act insane
16:13 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: both my partner and his mother have BPD, which isn't even the worst diagnosis.  Both have survived multiple suicide attempts
16:14 <@klixa> my mom never tried sucicide but always threatened it
16:14 <@klixa> and it would be over stupif stuff like the dishes not being washed
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> I take my partners' suicide threats very seriously, because of his history with attempting
16:15 <@klixa> i might have taken my moms seriously if i hadnt been a kid... she died when i was 20 so as an adult i might have taken them seriously
16:15 <@klixa> of natural cuases not suicide
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> klixa: it's actually not over such things.  They're basically feeling a particular way due to chemical imbalances, and anything that feels off to them can be a trigger
16:16 < aestetix_> http://adainitiative.org/2014/07/free-ally-skills-workshop-for-attendees-of-linuxcon-chicago-august-21/
16:16 < aestetix_> enjoy
16:16 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-home: just making sure.
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> It's not the cause, just a trigger for taking the chemical imbalance to some extreme action or threat
16:17 <@NotLarry> klixa: I'm no where even close to borderline...
16:17 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: that looks like a trollfest in the making
16:17 <@wilpig_> or just an excuse to get people kicked out of a conference for some PC shit
16:17 <@Dickie> I'm being triggered
16:18 <@Dickie> Shitlords
16:18 <@klixa> Corydon76-home: yeah
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> I'll consider the Ada Initiative to be doing useful work when they start referring to the first word as being short for the Americans with Disabilities Act.
16:18 <@klixa> luckily kids are adapatable...i didnt even really know how weird my parents were til i was older
16:19 < aestetix_> hahaha
16:19 <@NotLarry> wtf? "more welcoming to women and people of all sorts."  At least they understand that women are not people [sic]
16:19 <@klixa> lol
16:19 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: I'll refer to them as useful when they stop boycotting things and start working on making things better
16:19 < aestetix_> From what I can tell, their "workshops" are about making men feel bad
16:19 <@NotLarry> oops, place that wrong.
16:20 < aestetix_> hahaha
16:20 < aestetix_> NotLarry: zing
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I have no problem with boycotts.  What I have a problem with are bans.
16:20 < aestetix_> Yep.
16:20 < aestetix_> I lost all respect for them when the github drama happened.
16:21 < aestetix_> They could have offered to do a "harassment" training program for github, for free. That would have been really smart.
16:21 < aestetix_> Instead they boycotted them, and then went "oh shit we have a bunch of repos on github...."
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> As soon as it's about blaming and banning and not about improving communication, it's clear that they're just creating a new problem.
16:21 <@NotLarry> aestetix_: my understanding was they felt most of the people at github knew how to harass and did not need any auxilary training...
16:22 < aestetix_> haha
16:22 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: well if you think about it, if hassment ceases to be an issue, then they are out of a job
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: Take a look at the history of the March of Dimes
16:22 < aestetix_> Then there's the part about how the address of the Ada Initiative seems to be Val's apartment.
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> Their primary purpose is over.
16:23 < aestetix_> And I'm pretty sure "donations" to them are spent on paying her rent
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> and yet, they're still around
16:23 < aestetix_> Which would be really nice for an IRS auditor to look at
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: The address of Nashville 2600 is my house
16:23 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: and do donations for Nashville 2600 pay your rent?
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> and no, the money isn't going to pay my mortgage
16:24 <@wilpig_> Corydon76-home hasn't ever taken a dime from nashville2600, to my knowledge
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> A lot of small organizations are that way
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig_: that's not exactly true.  I have gotten reimbursements for various things I've bought personally that ended up getting used by the organization
16:25 < aestetix_> http://valerieaurora.org/parents.html
16:25 < aestetix_> speaking of child molestors!
16:35 < frsilent> oh...her mom's the 'happy hacker'?
16:35 < frsilent> I remember reading that book in high school & thinking the whole read through "this is dumb"
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16:37 <@Dagmar> Well, I suppose that explains her menrally deranged outlook on life
16:37 <@Dagmar> s/menrally/mentally/
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16:41 <@wilpig_> gotta love our network guys
16:41 <@wilpig_> 10/100 device plugged into a 10g copper switch
16:41 <@wilpig_> can't figure out why it won't link
16:42 <@wilpig_> something about the port will only to 1/10g nothing slower
16:42 <@Corydon76-home> Heh
16:43 <@wilpig_> when he said he found the problem I asked "pebkac?"  and was apparently correct
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16:51 <@rattle> omg?  Carolyn Meinel.  There is a name I have not seen or heard in a very long time.
16:51 <@rattle> What a fucking crackpot.
16:52 < frsilent> yeah....I'm glad that's a book I pirated
16:52 < frsilent> after I think the first chapter I started skim-reading
16:58 <@NotLarry> wilpig_: wetware, tell him it is a known issue with the wetware...
17:11 < aestetix_> rattle: isn't it nice to know her daughter runs the Ada Initiative?
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17:21 <@rattle> It says how batshit crazy someone is when their daughter disowns them.
17:22 <@rattle> ? and changes her last name.
17:22 < aestetix_> Ok so
17:22 < aestetix_> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/digital-age-detective-work-cant-crack-brooklyn-bridge-caper/
17:22 < aestetix_> I look at that and think "wow that's a great hack!"
17:23 < aestetix_> Rather than "omg that could have been a terrorist attack but it wasn't"
17:25 <@Dagmar> Oh rest assured, they'll pull in their anti-terrorism powers soon enough
17:26 <@Dagmar> They won't be able to resist
17:43 < frsilent> dafuq? continued reading her article & she says that her father keith couldn't be prosecuted because of the statue of limitations?
17:43 < frsilent> isn't child molestation considered a heinous crime & as such doesn't have a statue of limitations?
17:45 < aestetix_> frsilent: I hope so
17:45 <@Corydon76-home> No, most crimes have a statute of limitations, because psychology has been shown to be able to conjure false memories
17:45 < aestetix_> IMHO even if it happened 30 years ago, if you raped a child, you should go to jail
17:45 < frsilent> ^agreed
17:45 < aestetix_> And no, I wasn't abused as a kid. I just find it so revolting that anyone would do that.
17:46 < frsilent> I witnessed that shit in afghanistan; some shitty people in that country
17:46 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: we're collecting a fund to have you abused as an adult.  does that count for anything?
17:46 < aestetix_> wilpig_: depends on who does the abusing
17:46 <@wilpig_> crazy pants
17:46 <@Shadow404> fucking hate comcast and their damn system
17:46 <@Corydon76-home> Our system of justice is based upon the premise that it is far better for 100 guilty people to go free than it is for one innocent person to rot in prison.
17:46 < aestetix_> Corydon76-home: which I agree with
17:47 < aestetix_> although...
17:47 < aestetix_> That assumes all the crimes are equivocal in nature
17:47 <@Corydon76-home> You mean equivalent
17:47 <@Shadow404> called 3 weeks ago to change my overpriced service plan, i get off the phone, check an hour later and it indeed got changed, get the bill today 3 weeks later and it changed back mysteriosly to the more expensive service plan without my doing so
17:47 < frsilent> Corydon76-home: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/27ehyu/i_spent_18_years_in_prison_for_a_murder_i_didnt/
17:47 < aestetix_> sure
17:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: I spent 18 years in prison for a murder I didn’t commit. AMA. : IAmA (at www.reddit.com)
17:48 < frsilent> & I know that crimes like murder don't have a statute of limitations, just not sure if child molestation is considered "heinous" as such
17:48 < frsilent> which...like aestetix_ said it definitely should be
17:48 <@Shadow404> do people ever get anything from the state aside from an apology if that after they are proven innocent?
17:48 < frsilent> Shadow404: I think this guy got a settlement of like ~$60k/yr * 18 years
17:49 <@Shadow404> damn, thats not half bad, but still sucks
17:49 < frsilent> but....that shit doesn't begin to make up for it I'm sure
17:49 <@Corydon76-home> I'm of the mind that without physical evidence, there should be a statute of limitations for that, because once you get past a certain point, without that physical evidence, it comes down to trusting one person's recollection over another
17:50 <@Corydon76-home> And because psychology has been shown to conjure false memories, a case without physical evidence is highly flimsy
17:50 < frsilent> Corydon76-home: I agree with your point but physical evidence isn't a caveat to a statute of limitations
17:51 <@Corydon76-home> Better not to subject an innocent person to a flimsy case
17:51 < aestetix_> So if you have something like photos of videos of the act
17:51 < aestetix_> Can you prosecure?
17:51 < aestetix_> prosecute*
17:51 < frsilent> it's better to say "not pursue a case X years old unless there's a smoking gun"
17:52 < frsilent> aestetix_: a statute of limitations would imply that you could not
17:52 <@Corydon76-home> Murder cases are usually very well investigated, with a ton of physical evidence.  That's why there's no statute of limitations
17:52 < frsilent> <--not a legal expert but that's my understanding of it
17:53 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix_: I would consider photos or videos to be physical evidence, yes.
17:53 < aestetix_> Honestly for raping a child I'd be in favor of capital punishment.
17:53 < aestetix_> And even give the child's parents the option to pull the trigger
17:53 <@Corydon76-home> I'm sure some states have that
17:54 <@Corydon76-home> Nobody ever gets that ability, not in murder case, never.
17:55 <@Corydon76-home> Nothing in our system of justice is retributive in nature
17:56 <@Corydon76-home> We have two judicial purposes for a punishment:  deterrence and rehabilitation
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18:37 <@Shadow404> heh, so the account specialist at comcamst caught his mistake mid change and put it back to bridge mode like it was suppsoed to bed, 1/million chance i got a competent tech
18:37 <@Shadow404> *be
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20:08 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll* http://imgur.com/xnJJ6JU
20:08 <@GateKeeper> Title: imgur: the simple image sharer (at imgur.com)
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20:23 <@wilpig_> yeah.. whip that rod out
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20:48 <@Dagmar> Note that the item you get is his "other rod"
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22:30 <@wilpig_> https://40.media.tumblr.com/04a1759fc4e75c2920f690fa47015e1e/tumblr_n9fvp5W0Lt1qgav8po1_500.jpg
22:30 <@wilpig_> hehe
22:30 <@wilpig_> "First person to come by my desk on 6 may have these tickets. It’s a special taping for PBS, so you must be in your seats by 6:45.
22:30 <@wilpig_> They say “festive attire,” but I don’t know what that means so just wear a smile I guess?"
22:30 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: wow
22:31 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: the rear wheel thing?
22:31 <@Dagmar> here's a wtf for you http://i.imgur.com/ay2my71.jpg?1
22:32 <@Dagmar> http://i.imgur.com/rBc8hUw.jpg
22:37 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: na, his other rod:)
22:37 <@Dagmar> Ah
22:42 <@NotLarry> What rear wheel thing?
22:43 <@Dagmar> One moment...
22:44 <@Dagmar> These http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcd/4543340882.html
22:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2014 CUSTOM RUCKUS w STRETCHED FRAME clone (at nashville.craigslist.org)
22:44 <@Dagmar> The rear wheel seems like a very bad idea to me
22:44 <@Dagmar> Then again, it's a 50cc bike so it's not like it's going to be going over 35-40mph anyway
23:04 <@oddball> Dagmar: So, did you check out that scooter at Howard's?
23:06 <@wilpig_> I thought opheria had already ruled that one out
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23:29 < aestetix_> http://www.zdnet.com/the-apple-backdoor-that-wasnt-7000031781/
23:47 <@wilpig_> http://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/2byo32/baby_trapped_in_xray/
23:47 <@GateKeeper> Title: Baby trapped in Xray : photoshopbattles (at www.reddit.com)
23:56 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah.  Too beat up for me to consider right now
23:56 <@Dagmar> oddball: The previous owner wasn't as diligent about ongoing repairs as I was
23:57 <@oddball> ah
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