--- Log opened Sat Jul 26 00:00:00 2014
00:00 < RangerZ> I bought it when it came out... silly me...
00:00 < RangerZ> b/c I 'was' looking forward to it
00:00 <@Dagmar> Yes, I'm jaded enough to be dubious of any game.
00:00 <@Dagmar> It's F2P
00:00 <@Dagmar> ...but I could easily blow a whole night finding out it sucks dick.
00:01 <@Dagmar> ...which has happened before.
00:02 < RangerZ> its very PVE
00:02 < RangerZ> and the 'events' are very repetative
00:02 < RangerZ> 'ark falls' is what they are called
00:03 <@Dagmar> Wow this guy really does suck at first person shooters
00:03 <@Dagmar> His target reticule might as well just say "RELOAD" all the time
00:04 < RangerZ> lol
00:16 < aestetix_> ok this is awesome
00:16 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/godzero/status/492885480220786689
00:19 <@Dagmar> ps
00:19 <@Dagmar> er Oops
00:19 <@Dagmar> I'd reappeal with a link to the post saying "There are no more restrictions"
00:20 < aestetix_> heh
00:20 <@Dagmar> That's clearly additional information to _somebody_
00:20 < aestetix_> well Yonatan might be about to set a very good example
00:20 <@Dagmar> I think someone just fucked up
00:21 < aestetix_> Well what I'm getting at
00:21 < aestetix_> Is that if anyone else gets suspended, I will point them at this twitter exchange
00:21 < aestetix_> Since I believe that guy is now in charge of G+
00:21 <@Dagmar> I think he's probably about to sort some shit
00:22  * aestetix_ nods
00:22 < aestetix_> After this I might use G+
00:22 < aestetix_> Nobody uses Windows when it comes out. We all wait a few months for the bugs to get sorted out.
00:22 < aestetix_> Same thing here
00:23 < RangerZ> i know why they did it, and its nothing that Leo/etc mentioned
00:23 < aestetix_> RangerZ: why do you think?
00:24 < RangerZ> Google is buying Twitch, and they want integration with it, and it doesn't have Real Name policy, etc
00:24 < aestetix_> what is Twitch?
00:24 < RangerZ> Twitch.tv video game streaming
00:24 < RangerZ> the only good streaming tech site that can handle 50k+ streamers on the same stream
00:24 < aestetix_> So the names policy was caused by stupidity and shortsightedness?
00:24 < RangerZ> google is buying it for ~1bln or so
00:25 < RangerZ> no.. it was pre-emptiveness on their part to CYA
00:25 < RangerZ> legally
00:25 < RangerZ> is my guess
00:25 < aestetix_> The only explanation I've bought so far for the names policy
00:25 < aestetix_> Is so they can sell data to data brokers
00:25 < RangerZ> nah
00:26 < aestetix_> The explanation I managed to get out of a google policy person was "it worked for facebook
00:26 < RangerZ> I don't see them killing themselves long term for that short term gain
00:27 < RangerZ> THAT I could actually believe... and is why I think they wanted to do it for CYA stuff... that way in more repressive countries (Thailand for example) where it is illegal to 'insult' the king
00:27 < RangerZ> google apparently has to name names if someone does it on one of their services
00:27 < aestetix_> I pushed the policy person really hard for more transparency
00:28 < aestetix_> after this little thing finishes, I might push for it again
00:28 < RangerZ> aestetix_: for years... I've said... as have many other "pro" analysts... that Google's biggest issue... is lack of transparency... and NO FUCKING CUSTOMER SUPPOT
00:28 < RangerZ> lol
00:28 < aestetix_> haha
00:28 < aestetix_> yep
00:28 < aestetix_> agreed
00:29 < RangerZ> at one point... I just fucking emailed a former mentor and told him to forward my issue up to a 'real person' who could fix things
00:29 < RangerZ> 3 days later... it got fixed
00:29 < aestetix_> what things?
00:29 < aestetix_> what issue did you have
00:29 <@SuMo_D> oh aestetix_ I just looked at Mitch's pics and remembered B was really really into the the lockpicking
00:29 < aestetix_> oh cool
00:29 < aestetix_> B should get in touch with TOOOL
00:29 <@SuMo_D> he is now ready to go pick everylock he can find :P
00:29 < aestetix_> devian is a friend
00:29 < aestetix_> deviant*
00:29 <@SuMo_D> cool
00:30 < RangerZ> oh god... I honestly somewhat forget...but htis was like years ago... it had something to do with my forwarded email... it was getting garbled
00:30 < RangerZ> it was a legit tech issue
00:31 < RangerZ> so I don't know if what I did mattered at all, or if they knew about it beforehand or not...
00:31  * RangerZ shrugs
00:31 <@Dagmar> I had a locksmith out this week
00:31 <@Dagmar> I think he cheated.
00:31 <@Dagmar> He shoved a couple of basically, hand-pumped air pillows between the door and frame and compressed the door until it popped open
00:31 <@Dagmar> 8 seconds
00:32 < RangerZ> did you scream "HACKS" at him"?
00:32 < RangerZ> lol
00:32 < aestetix_> or vaina
00:32 <@Dagmar> Practically
00:33 < RangerZ> yeah... my aunt did the same thing at the campground once
00:33 < RangerZ> had to have a towtruck come out at like midnight
00:33 < RangerZ> EVERYONE loved that...
00:34 <@Dagmar> This was a wooden front door
00:34 < RangerZ> he inserted a wedge into the door, then used the billows... and then a metal rod to push the door's unlock button, lol
00:34 < RangerZ> ahh
00:34 <@Dagmar> Oh lol
00:36 < RangerZ> but it took him like 15min of backing up to get out of the campsite... with the 'warning dings' b/c it was a 'truck' ... and there was no place for him to turn around...
00:36 < RangerZ> apparently the next morning... my mom was the 'favorite' person at the campsite... lol (I had driven home for night to work in the morning) lol
00:39 < RangerZ> anyone else seen Divergent?
00:40 < RangerZ> I think it was Notlarry that said it was horrible
00:40 <@Dagmar> The Last Days was kinda good
00:40 < RangerZ> the book isn't too bad, and I'm amused at google search... "Google PlayWatch from $14.99"
00:41 < RangerZ> I'm like... I'll be able to buy the DVD for cheaper than that here soon
00:41 < RangerZ> on aug5th
00:42 <@Dagmar> http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/268681912.html
00:42 <@GateKeeper> Title: Petition Circulating to Save Printers Alley - www.newschannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
00:42 <@Dagmar> All I can think is "This is what happens when you have 'Strip Karaoke'"
00:43 <@Dagmar> The things people say about Printer's Alley.  LOL
00:43 <@Dagmar> loooool
00:43 <@Dagmar> "Printer's Alley is known for it's bare, restaurants and live music"
00:44 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAH
00:44 <@Dagmar> er bars
00:44 <@Dagmar> It's the last holdout from the peepshows of the 80s
00:44 <@Dagmar> "Seedy" is a word that comes to mind rather readily
00:45 < aestetix_> wow I just realized
00:45 < aestetix_> Someone who is a teenager could have been born after 9/11 happened
00:45 <@Dagmar> I may just go to the Brass Stables tomorrow night for a laugh
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02:17 < RangerZ> http://tuskthemovie.com/
02:17 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tusk - A Truly Transformative Tale (at tuskthemovie.com)
02:18 < RangerZ> There is a Podcast from Kevin Smith on here, where they thought up this movie
02:18 < RangerZ> its worth listening to the 30min podcast
02:18 < RangerZ> lol
02:54 <@Dagmar>   Woo!  Level 100 testing has begun
02:54 <@Dagmar> WoD PTR wiped
03:21 < RangerZ> lol
03:28 < RangerZ> anyone familiar with twitter?
03:28 < aestetix_> wow
03:28 < RangerZ> i mean... 'pro user' level
03:29 < RangerZ> not 'know of it', obviously
03:29 < RangerZ> I'm wondering how you get 'verified' accounts
03:29 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/yonatanzunger/with_replies
03:29 < aestetix_> on twitter?
03:29 < aestetix_> RangerZ: verified accounts are generally only used when there are issues with impersonation
03:30 < RangerZ> well... we're trying to prevent that
03:30 < aestetix_> It's not supposed to mean anything else
03:30 < RangerZ> yeah i know...
03:31 < aestetix_> who is "we"?
03:31 < RangerZ> however... I'm debating having a 'twitter' account associated for the MOOC courses
03:31 < RangerZ> for example accounts to use when using an API
03:31 < aestetix_> heh
03:31 < RangerZ> don't laugh
03:31 < aestetix_> don't even get me started on coursera's verified track or whatever it's called
03:32 < RangerZ> yeah, I know, its not perfect, but for poor people in 3rd world countries... its a good deal
03:33 < RangerZ> hell, look at 20% of doug's being from the USA... those saps need all the help they can get under that Oligarchiy based Facist economy
03:33 < RangerZ> lol
03:35 < RangerZ> but seriously, I talked to some of coursera's head people( conf. calls) and they have great feedback stories of people using it to get jobs in places like India/parts of Africa
03:35 < RangerZ> so 'ehh'
03:35 < RangerZ> lol
03:35 < RangerZ> (But I agree, it needs to have some different tiers of 'certification'), where some are online only, some are you go to a univ. or testing center to take the tests
03:35 < RangerZ> etc
03:37 < RangerZ> as long as they require 'legal name' for everything ;)
03:38 < RangerZ> lol
03:39 < aestetix_> Well
03:39 < aestetix_> Coursera also has a few issues because there are laws regarding academic degrees
03:39 < RangerZ> no there isn't
03:39 < RangerZ> why do you think ITT and other 2 year programs exist
03:40 < aestetix_> Well, let's say coursera wants to become accredited
03:40 < aestetix_> They have to verify that you took the course, right?
03:40 < RangerZ> univ. of pheonix
03:40 < RangerZ> but yes, and you have to show state ID on webcam, and other stuff
03:41 < RangerZ> and have SSN
03:42 < RangerZ> do _I_ know what/how all you need to do.... no... but there are univ. that have solved this
04:08 < aestetix_> penis
05:12 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ-l5PlDa-k HAHAHA
05:12 <@GateKeeper> Title: Worlds Biggest Alarm Clock - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
05:19 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7728337664/h73414107/ instead of having this to start your bike, next time, require a key ;)
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09:14 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: Perhaps I should explain something
09:14 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: You're not funny.
09:15 <@Dagmar> RangerZ|Laptop: ...and you're likely to get kicked in the balls.
09:19 <@wilpig_> I laughed at both
09:30 <@Dagmar> Let me make it very clear then
09:30 <@Shadow404> what is that?
09:30 <@Dagmar> Some shitstain stole something from me that I paid $2700 on in money, and spent a few _hundred_ hours working on.
09:30 <@Dagmar> I will fucking END them over it if I get the chance.
09:30 <@Dagmar> Saying dumb shit like questioning whether or not it still required a key to start is fucking retarded.
09:31 <@Shadow404> wait
09:31 <@Shadow404> what kind of scooter did you have for $2700?
09:31 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Kymco Agility
09:31 <@Shadow404> c?
09:31 <@Dagmar> They don't overprice like Vespa
09:31 <@Shadow404> cc?
09:31 <@Dagmar> 125cc
09:32 <@Shadow404> ok
09:35 <@Shadow404> sorry about it getting stolen though
09:35 <@Shadow404> i know what that feels like to a small degree
09:36 <@Shadow404> i think it was oz2 or oz3, i parked my bike at the hotel, didnt lock the front wheel, and skybitch rolls it into a parking space behind the hotel to fuck with me
09:36 <@Shadow404> first feeling as i walk out to where my bike was supposed to be was just a blood draining moment and then anger
09:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'd have enfeminated the fuck for that
09:37 <@Shadow404> i was more pissed at him for what "could" of happened if he had dropped it by accident, knowing him, he would of just left it on the ground and walked away like nothing happend and not take responsibility
09:47 <@ignotus-sdf> Still feeling old. Whatever happened to common decency? If I touch someone else's crap, it won't work again, they will have earned it a long, hard way, and they will know why. I doubt this was your case.
09:48 <@Shadow404> huh?
09:49 <@ignotus-sdf> Nobody should be jerking around with other peoples stuff like that. My scoot was stolen out of my front drive, chained up.
09:50 <@ignotus-sdf> I understand Dagmar's place completely.
09:50 <@Shadow404> yeah, i do as well
09:50 <@Shadow404> so, i didnt have my bike chained up when i lived in the city at a rental house
09:50 <@ignotus-sdf> Homie shouldn't have been messing with your stuff, either. That's not what entails a good joke.
09:50 <@Shadow404> and my lawnmower was right next to it
09:50 <@Shadow404> they stole my lawn mower and not my bike
09:50 <@Shadow404> ignotus-sdf: its skybitch
09:51 <@Shadow404> once you meet him, youll understand that he doesnt give a damn
09:51 <@ignotus-sdf> I had one of those. I quit dealing with him 15 years ago.
09:51 <@wilpig_> Shadow404: I recently met someone that was offended by me calling him skydick
09:51 <@Shadow404> wilpig_: part of his possi?
09:51 <@wilpig_> not directly
09:53 <@Shadow404> ah, explain
09:56 <@wilpig_> Somoene that's making money off skydick's cons
09:56 <@Shadow404> ah, well, side supporter then
10:22 <@wilpig_> now this is a dude with a really neat idea.  http://www.treeof40fruit.com/
10:22 <@GateKeeper> Title: SAM VAN AKEN (at www.treeof40fruit.com)
10:23 <@wilpig_> that's some hella dedication too.
10:23 <@wilpig_> At first, Van Aken combines a few types onto the root structure of a single tree, allowing his "working tree" to mature to at least two years old. Then he proceeds to add more varieties to the limbs in a sequence called "chip grafting." Van Aken inserts a budding branch into an incision in the working tree -- with a piece of tape, no less -- and allows the limb to function as a normal appendage of the plant. The process takes about 5 years per tree, and has yielded 16 "Trees of 40 Fruit" thus far.
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10:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah I learned when I was a kid, a number of types of trees don't really care waht they're grafted with
10:27 <@Dagmar> My parents have a couple of multicolored dogwoods as a result
10:47 <@ignotus-sdf> That is interesting. And hopefully will be useful soon. We're moving next week back to where I grew up. Lots of work like that there.
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10:55 <@Dagmar> Fuck yeah
10:56 <@Dagmar> Huntsville dickbag who called the "hit" on the giant teal field popped up on one of the Hangouts
10:56 <@Dagmar> "I applaud everyone's VERY hard work and hope you all can understand it's all part of the game."
10:56 <@Dagmar> My response...
10:57 <@Dagmar> "Well, that's nice.  ...because from where we sit it looks like you interfered in someone else's stuff and fucked up."
10:59 <@Dagmar> Dude made us look like backstabbing dickbags
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13:12 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: jesus man... Obviously I didn't think you hooked up a real fucking doorbell to your bike, I was just making a joke at a bad situation, does it suck that you got your bike stolen... obviously yes... and there isn't anything any of us can do to get your bike back. I thought the absurdity of the picture premise would be so stupid that you'd chuckle at it (b/c obviously you didn't do that), sorry man
13:36 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, when I mention murdering someone more than twice in a row, understand that I'm not making a joke anymore
13:37 <@Dagmar> This past few days, that word is the 50 most common things out of my mouth
13:42  * shapr hugs Shadow404
13:42 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
13:42 <@shapr> well, afternoon
13:42 <@shapr> whatever
13:42 <@shapr> close enough
13:43 <@Dagmar> DONT YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF MORNING TO HAVE YOU MALE OPPRESSOR
13:43  * shapr is sad
13:43 <@shapr> Dagmar: No, I'm telling you what kind of morning *I* had
13:43  * shapr opresses Dagmar 
13:44 <@Dagmar> hehe
13:44 <@Dagmar> Oh!
13:44 <@Dagmar> Latest dumbass shit from Best Buy
13:44 <@Dagmar> I had to curbstomp a smurf field that was hinged at the local one so I went in to look for any CDs I might not have
13:45 <@Dagmar> I am standing there holding in my hand Nirvana - In Utero and Nine Inch Nails - Pretty HAte Machine (I only had them on cassette)...
13:45 <@Dagmar> $blueshirt comes over to help
13:45 <@Dagmar> Asks me if I'm finding everything okay
13:45 <@Dagmar> I tell them yeah but I'm still scouring the stacks
13:46 <@Dagmar> Dude doesn't understand about people who search the entire thing looking for a bunch of different stuff
13:46 <@Dagmar> Holds up a CD with a guy in a cowboy hat on the front of it and suggests I might like this one because it's "popular".
13:46 <@Dagmar> A fucking country CD.
13:47 <@Dagmar> I dont' know where they got this guy from because he visible paled when I held up my two CDs and said "Look carefully.  You know people like me *eat* people like him, right?"
13:47 <@Dagmar> Of course I was also using the creepy voice.
13:47 <@Dagmar> ...but still.
13:47 <@Dagmar> Pussy.
13:48 <@Dagmar> It's also good to know the music publishing industry hasn't lost it's taste for fucking a corpse.
13:48 <@Dagmar> There's like four different greatest hits things of Nirvana's
13:53 <@Bahhumbug> Didn't they have like _two_ studio albums?
13:54 <@Dagmar> Yep
13:54 <@Dagmar> These fucking things had 2002 copyright dates on them
13:54 <@Bahhumbug> There is a reason I don't buy albums any longer.
13:55 <@Bahhumbug> That entire industry can just go right off and fuck itself.
13:55 <@Dagmar> Well, those are something I woudn't touch
13:55 <@Dagmar> It about the only thing that blueshirt could have suggested that would have been worse than a country album
13:56 <@Dagmar> I started to just ask if he was deaf, but I felt it better to not make things personal.
13:56 <@Dagmar> Also, fuck the Horde
13:56 <@Dagmar> *grumblegrumble*dickbags*grumble*chopper*grumblegrumble*
14:04 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyxDVCb3ky4 interesting
14:04 <@GateKeeper> Title: KINGSMAN: THE SECRET SERVICE - Official Trailer (2014) [HD] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:05 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently another graphic novel adaptation
14:32 <@ignotus-sdf> Anybody work with solar?
14:32 <@shapr> at what level?
14:34 <@Dagmar> Perfect example of fucking the corpse http://www.discogs.com/Nirvana-In-Utero/master/13859
14:36 <@shapr> yup
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> ignotus-sdf: are you talking about household solar power supplementing AC service?
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> Or just small DC deployments?
14:46 <@ignotus-sdf> small deployment in a cabin 12x32
14:48 <@ignotus-sdf> Right now we are dropping a cord with a tripplite for about 5-6 plugs, most to be turned on as needed. But we'd like to convert all of that to an actuall solar deployment.
14:48 <@shapr> I'm only interested in using solar to charge LiPos at the moment, adafruit has some nifty hardware for that.
14:49 <@Dagmar> You will want a current and voltage limiter
14:49 <@shapr> ignotus-sdf: what do power in the cabin?
14:49 <@shapr> washer/dryer/laptop?
14:50 <@Dagmar> Mainly you don't want to overcharge the thing.  14v reverse polarity into a 12v battery == bad juju
14:51 <@ignotus-sdf> 2 laptops, about a gallon fishtank, 4.4cu fridge, Keurig, a cable box, roku, and 40" TV
14:51 <@ignotus-sdf> not all at the same time, though.
14:51 <@Dagmar> That sounds like a job for lead acid batteries to me
14:52 <@shapr> I agree
14:53 <@Dagmar> They put up with more bullshit, are generally cheaper, and won't get all upset about it if they're kept at 100% charge for a month straight
14:53 <@Dagmar> Also come in much greater capacities
14:54 <@Dagmar> ...which, considering what you're talking about driving with them... all of the yes
14:54 <@shapr> yup, you'll need big batteries for a the fridge, TV, and Keurig
14:55 <@shapr> If it were just laptops and phones, you could get away with a much smaller setup.
14:55 <@Corydon76-home> ignotus-sdf: If you don't have a Kill-A-Watt unit already, get one, and verify the draw off of each device
14:55 <@Corydon76-home> That will help you plan how much solar capacity you need
14:56 <@ignotus-sdf> Cool. I will certainly do that and get an idea of what's up.
14:57 <@Corydon76-home> Also, you may want the panels with a separate inverter on each.  If you simply attach all of them together, then your array only works as well as the panel with the most shade at any given time
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> If you invert before combining them, then shade on one (or a complete malfunction) won't kill your power
15:12 <@brimstone> so, who maintains the mailing lists?
15:12 <@brimstone> specifically the 404 list
15:12 <@ignotus-sdf> Yeah, redundancy will be useful. I am also working on a way to move water around the cabin via a hand pumped set of tanks and a possible cistern type system.
15:12 <@ignotus-sdf> Filtered, of course.
15:15 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: I've been looking into this, and you'll want the no-spill batteries, that way you don't have to worry about hydrogen gas buildup
15:16 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah, brimstone prolly needs that info, and after I'm situated and can open up a 770 shop, I'll need to know, too.
15:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c "hindenburg"
15:16 <@ignotus-sdf> RangerZ|Laptop: That is certainly good to know. I am such a newbie at that stuff.
15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> I've actually been thinking that 'off grid' setups tied into the house (not via power) is the best option right now
15:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c if you tie into the grid, now You'll get taxed.. I'm sorry ... "fee'd"
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> which basically kills your incentive for doing so
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> and its a LOT cheaper to build that way
15:18 <@ignotus-sdf> troof. Since all of it is in my dad's name, we are trying to keep ourselves off paper as much as possible.
15:18 <@oddball> Remember to look up city/state codes.  Some places require residential structures to be on the grid to some extent.
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah
15:18 < RangerZ|Laptop> a local lady was going to get evicted b/c she didn't have water/power
15:19 <@ignotus-sdf> we are luckily parking literally up against the existing house.
15:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> or power/gas, one of the two combos
15:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: watch that too
15:19 <@ignotus-sdf> the house has both, they are just in minimal use.
15:19 <@oddball> Of course, if you're also building, dear god, don't go with a traditional stick and drywall house if you can help it.
15:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> there are codes against that in most places, and if a nosy neighbor decides to make an issue of it...
15:19 <@ignotus-sdf> No, this is a storage shed/hunting cabin thingie that is within code where I'm at.
15:20 <@ignotus-sdf> And it's where I grew up, so all my neighbors know me.
15:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> i thought you meant for your  'living space'
15:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> ignotus-sdf: then you're fucked
15:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> they all know to look out for you ;)
15:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:20 <@ignotus-sdf> yeah, the living space is the cabin. the floor in the house is falling in. :)
15:20 <@ignotus-sdf> lol
15:21 <@ignotus-sdf> I'm like the old man now. I remember when they were all kids...
15:22 <@Bahhumbug> s/like //
15:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah... I've been 'thinking' (haven't ran the FULL #s yet, b/c I don't have any plans of building within the next 2 years or so) that I'd build a system that could run a nice big window AC unit in the day (when you mostly need it)(then fall back to 'normal' at night/etc) and charge batteries for internal LED lighting
15:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> a 5k BTU is ~500 w...  and thats ~500$ worth of panels now a days
15:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> which means you'd want to get much more than that... but an interesting ratio now a days
15:25 <@ignotus-sdf> Well, if you wanna do something similar to what we are doing... http://www.derksenbuildings.com
15:25 <@GateKeeper> Title: home | Derksen Portable Buildings (at www.derksenbuildings.com)
15:26 <@ignotus-sdf> After we pay it off, we can have it moved anywhere we want for about $200.
15:26 <@ignotus-sdf> My rent got cut in more than half.
15:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> how big?
15:26 <@brimstone> i want a http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/
15:26 <@GateKeeper> Title: Tumbleweed Tiny House Company - Welcome to our website ! (at www.tumbleweedhouses.com)
15:26 <@ignotus-sdf> ours is 12x32
15:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah... fuck that no... too tiny brimstone, lol
15:27 < RangerZ|Laptop> 12x32 is more reasonable
15:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still, I'd want a couple of them... one for 'living' , one for a workshop (carpentry/metal)(3d printing?)
15:29 <@ShadowHntr> i'm excited
15:29 <@ShadowHntr> i got a job offer
15:29 <@ShadowHntr> cloud operations analyst with Mandiant
15:30 <@brimstone> i kinda thought, if you worked for Mandiant, you shouldn't tell people you work for Mandiant
15:30 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
15:30 <@ShadowHntr> like fight club, eh?
15:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> nah, since they got bought out, they don't care
15:31 <@ShadowHntr> FireEye
15:31 < RangerZ|Laptop> ^
15:31 <@ignotus-sdf> nice if you're single. (on the brimstone)
15:32 <@ShadowHntr> it seems like they still operate semi-autonomously
15:32 <@brimstone> (on the brimstone)
15:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> he did that on purpose
15:32 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:32 <@brimstone> Corydon76-home: who runs the mailing lists on se2600.org?
15:33 <@brimstone> n/m the email FINALLY went through
15:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> just send one?
15:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> *twiddles thumbs waiting for it*
15:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> but anyways, ShadowHntr, congrats, you were looking to work from home, weren't you?
15:33 < RangerZ|Laptop> or move... or something
15:36 <@ShadowHntr> i was willing to move
15:36 <@ShadowHntr> but i'll be working from home
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> on top of brimstone ?
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c that might not be comfortable for them
15:36 <@ShadowHntr> however i'm thinking about moving to Chattanooga
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> you're mid atl/chat ?
15:36 < RangerZ|Laptop> ish
15:37 <@ShadowHntr> i'm an hour north of HSV
15:37 <@ShadowHntr> Lincoln County, TN
15:37 <@ShadowHntr> between Fayetteville and Winchester
15:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> an hour north of 'Herpes simplex virus ' ?
15:37 <@ShadowHntr> Huntsville, AL
15:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> ahh
15:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> same thing
15:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> lol
15:37 <@ShadowHntr> LOL
15:39 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: would you watch a Disney cartoon where Donald Duck contracted herpes?
15:40 < aestetix_> and threw a temper tantrum over it
15:40 <@ShadowHntr> i actually got recruited via the CHUGALUG mailing list - Chattanooga Unix, GNU and Linux Users Group
15:40 < RangerZ|Laptop> only if they also cured it
15:40 <@ShadowHntr> the hiring manager posted on there
15:40 <@ShadowHntr> i had never even heard of Mandiant or FireEye before
15:40 < aestetix_> ShadowHntr: they are security firms
15:40 <@ShadowHntr> yeah i've done my research in the meantime
15:41 <@ShadowHntr> although my role wouldn't be directly security related
15:41 <@ShadowHntr> it's an operations role
15:41 <@ShadowHntr> sounds like a challenging position
15:42 <@ShadowHntr> with a company i could make a difference with
15:42 <@ShadowHntr> i know that sounds cheesy, but i really do feel that way
15:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> snowden 2.0 here
15:42 < RangerZ|Laptop> ;)
15:42 <@ShadowHntr> lol
15:42 <@ShadowHntr> working with companies that secure from botnets and worms
15:42 <@ShadowHntr> sounds like fun :)
15:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah, the only problem with that is the TCP & IP protocols ;)
15:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> hehe
15:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> but still, sounds like a good career move
15:43 < RangerZ|Laptop> part of me wishes I'd have stayed in the networking/security realm
15:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> I had full run of the entire Cisco lab at school too... and could have gotten cert'd up to something stupid like instructor there... but I found compilers more interesting, lol
15:46 <@ShadowHntr> i should get cisco certified
15:46 <@ShadowHntr> maybe i'll do that next
15:46 < RangerZ|Laptop> whats funny is... I can put on my resume that I worked for cisco, as a system admin
15:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> b/c I setup 4 computers with ubuntu... and a samba file share on each
15:47 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
15:47 <@Bahhumbug> Personally I would not admit that in public but hey...
15:47 <@ShadowHntr> oh wow
15:48 <@Bahhumbug> ShadowHntr: 'grats on the job.
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> thank you
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> i need it
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> and the funny thing is
15:48 < RangerZ|Laptop> yeah.. that was it... Basically I knew how to do it... and the guy at school didn't have time, so it was a freebe, lol
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> right after i got the verbal offer
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> i got an email from a recruiter at Google
15:48 <@ShadowHntr> for a position in Mountain View
15:53 <@NotLarry> When did y'all setup a new phreaknic mailing list?  Do I have to sign up for a google account to use it?
15:55 <@Dagmar> Maybe.  I dunno.
15:55 <@Dagmar> What anti-theft device did you go with?
15:56 <@Dagmar> Cellular-connected incindiary grenade?
15:56 <@NotLarry> The Spy 5000m
15:56 <@ShadowHntr> My voice is my passport, verify me.
15:56 <@NotLarry> 5000m range.  The key fob alerts if the bike is touched
15:57 <@NotLarry> I don't think I got the microwave sensor but it is an option, in case someone gets close.
15:57 <@ShadowHntr> so what
15:57 <@NotLarry> I think the siren is 150db?
15:57 <@ShadowHntr> it cooks anyone who tries to steal it?
15:57 <@Dagmar> Well, tnat lets you rush out in a mad murdering frenzy
15:57 <@Dagmar> I am thinking abotu Lo-Jac since they're making this promise that amounts to "If it doesn't work, we'll buy you a new one"
15:58 <@Dagmar> To me, this seems more sensible than theft insurance
15:58 <@Dagmar> I'
15:58 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to look into it more
15:58 <@shapr> upgrade ubuntu == pain
15:59 <@oddball> You mean install Mint? :p
15:59 <@shapr> debian/unstable
15:59 <@Dagmar> I'd personally like to just install a phone with a large LiIon battery, and set it to scan for _my_ phone if the bike is moved nad if it can't find it, detonate the battery
15:59 <@Dagmar> However, I think law enforcement would take a dim view of that
15:59 <@Dagmar> Also, Lo-Jac is very vague about pricing.
16:00 <@shapr> Dagmar: would be easy to do
16:00 <@shapr> I can help.
16:00 <@Dagmar> Yes, I know it would be easy. H eh
16:00 <@Dagmar> I'm kinda peeved mologogo isn't available for Android yet, since a whole lot of cheapass phones have the necessary features.
16:00 <@Dagmar> Movement sensor and GPS
16:01 <@Dagmar> I'm talking with the condoplex about maybe having someone put a metal hook in the asphalt
16:02 <@shapr> has your bike been stolen repeatedly?
16:03 <@Dagmar> No, once is plenty, thanks
16:04 <@Dagmar> There will not be a second time without hardware in place to facilitate easy murdering I mean easy cooperation with law enforcement
16:04 <@Dagmar> A $50 Huwei phone and some time on Ting
16:05 <@Dagmar> The main problem is the type of bike I ride weighs very little
16:06 <@Dagmar> ...and clearly the cops don't take it seriously since my VIN still doesn't come up as stolen
16:06 <@Dagmar> Ther'es going to be _words_ about that
16:06 <@Dagmar> It doesn't do any good to have a VIN database for stolen vehicles if they take an age to update it
16:07 <@Dagmar> ...which means we're down to handling things _my_ way and I can be _very_ creative.
16:07 <@Dagmar> I've added the VIN and licence number to my Google and Facebook posts and just repeated the same on Craigslist
16:07 <@Dagmar> Between the three of those, the VIN should start coming up on GOogle in a day or two more
16:09 <@Dagmar> If it means I have to install an anti-theft measure that triggers a scuttler in the steering, well, that's probably legal.
16:10 <@Dagmar> In the meantime I'm going to bide my time and work on tricking out the car
16:11 <@Dagmar> It will get an anti-theft measure when it gets a dual-din Android stereo
16:11 <@Dagmar> ...and I'll be nice.
16:11 <@Dagmar> It will warn the occupants.
16:11 <@Dagmar> "ATTENTION: YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE."
16:11 <@Dagmar> heh
16:12 <@Dagmar> With the right breakout board could I make the brakes lock?  Yes!
16:12 <@shapr> only requires an ODBII port plugin
16:12 <@Dagmar> I was thinking more along the lines of a direct patch to the brakes
16:15 <@Dagmar> Someone might think to check the OBD port
16:15 <@Dagmar> I'll have to look into whether or not other alarm systems do that
16:15 <@Dagmar> I should also actually see if I have theft insurance on the car.
16:15 < aestetix_> wilpig_: is this your gf? http://imgur.com/xYI0eN4
16:16 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: alarm systems don't normally check the odb port or the bus controlling the breaks/etc
16:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> its fairly 'easy' to fuzz some input to figure out which signal to send to slow the car then stop it
16:17 < RangerZ|Laptop> there were a couple papers on this back right before the "omg your car can get hacked"  hit the news
16:17 <@oddball> shapr: Yep... which is why I'm careful to not leave the bluetooth ODBII reader plugged into my car when I'm not actively using it.
16:18 <@Dagmar> Slow the car?
16:18 <@Dagmar> Heh.
16:19 < RangerZ|Laptop> Dagmar: I'm saying if they are driving it, and you want to send a 'kill signal' to the car
16:19 <@oddball> Dagmar: slow the car, slam on the brakes, rapid acceleration... whatever is controlled by the computer is yours to fuck with.
16:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah I was thinking about specifically just locking up the brakes.
16:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> personally... I like the 'full turn right' ... full turn left
16:20 <@oddball> Yep... causing the engine to just fucking shut down is an option.
16:20 <@Dagmar> That's true.
16:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> just knock them back and forth in the car for a good 30seconds
16:20 <@Dagmar> Whipping the wheel back and forth is definitely an option, but that might endanger somewone
16:20 <@oddball> oops, off to Naienko's dad's place.  Later.
16:20 < RangerZ|Laptop> what you need is lidar on the car
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> then you could drive it to the police
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> 'lock the doors and play an audio clip of the joker doing it to the batman
16:21 < RangerZ|Laptop> I think there is enough mark hammill joker sounds out there... that you'd be able to make a nice track
16:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> hook it up to PC racing controller
16:22 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
16:22 <@Dagmar> I just need the car back.
16:22 <@Dagmar> Creating a Jigsaw-style bait car is super-villain territory.
16:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> so?
16:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> make your car into a short batmobile
16:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL
16:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> but yeah.. more of a wild idea... than practical at all
16:27 <@Dagmar> I'm going to add a "blinky light" before the weekend is over.
17:49 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzm9UG93ttE#t=8
17:49 <@GateKeeper> Title: E D - 209 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:28 <@Dagmar> One of those would work
18:28 < aestetix_> wilpig_: found anothr picture of your gf: https://i.imgur.com/O8ZaNoe.jpg
18:28 < RangerZ|Laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0NWwLRKw38 lol...
18:28 <@GateKeeper> Title: Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog vs. IGN - Comic Con 2014 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:29 < RangerZ|Laptop> apparently triumph is getting a show on Adult Swim
18:30 <@ShadowHntr> oh god :P
18:30 <@ShadowHntr> sorry, he got old after about 20 minutes
18:37 < RangerZ|Laptop> just bought a http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002R9HQLI/ref=pe_385040_121528360_TE_dp_1 and I'll be getting it monday, I'll let you all know how good it is... for 50$, I just couldn't make something as good from galv. steel pipes/etc and it have as many degrees of articulation on both arms
18:38 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vVblGlIMgw <-- robotic fear machine
18:38 <@GateKeeper> Title: Inside Adam Savages Cave: Awesome Robot Spider! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:44 < RangerZ|Laptop> LOL it has xbox 360 controller sticks
18:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> just imagine sending one of those in to wake up a person with arachnophobia
18:50 <@Dagmar> Of course
18:50 <@Dagmar> Hence, "robotic fear machine"
18:50 < RangerZ|Laptop> no one in 615 has a truck anymore do they?
18:52 < RangerZ|Laptop> going and buying a new desk, and I don't know if it'll fit in my car :/
18:57 < RangerZ|Laptop> nvm... it'll fit, I guess I didn't realize how wide the trunk entrance on my car was
19:02 <@wilpig_> hehe
19:02 <@ShadowHntr> my stepmom has one, but we're 2 hrs from BNA
19:02 <@wilpig_> that spider is pretty cool looking
19:23 < RangerZ|Laptop> so I have a rather flamebait question... but I honestly have the question... What is the "issue" between "atheists" and "feminists"
19:24 < RangerZ|Laptop> I keep seeing mention of it, and I don't see any _inherit_ issues that should arise between the two _non-competing_ groups
19:26 < RangerZ|Laptop> or is that the 'issue' right there... they have the same user base, and are fighting for feedback/views/e-penis size(e-vagina size)
19:42 < aestetix_> RangerZ|Laptop: just listened to the first hour of the Pikketty book
19:48 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I've never noticed anything, but I suspeect if there is a problem it's because the vocal atheists have learned to reject bullshit and bad argumentation a million different ways... and the feminists... well... a lot of them genuinely refuse to see how misandrous they are.
19:50 < aestetix_> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/27/opinion/sunday/high-time-marijuana-legalization.html
19:55 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I find vocal atheists just as annoying as vocal christians
19:56 < aestetix_> Or the kind who pop up when you're dealing with something (like a wedding or funeral) and say "just making sure you know there's no god"
20:01 < RangerZ|Laptop> aestetix_: yeah, thats just an asshole like any other, just being a dick at the wrong time
20:02 < RangerZ|Laptop> a true atheist should know that the person gets comfort from their belief in the afterlife... and then approach them 'after' the grieving period is over
20:03 < RangerZ|Laptop> people just aren't political or Machiavellian enough to approach the topic at the 'right times'
20:04 <@Dagmar> I've never seen an atheist say something like that
20:04 <@Dagmar> THen again, they're not terribly stupid
20:04 <@Dagmar> I am not a stranger you approach with lame information
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20:28 < aestetix_> Dagmar: I have been approached like that.
20:28 < aestetix_> I wasn't even talking about "god" or anything.
20:28 < aestetix_> The idiot brought it up. It was really annoying.
20:33 <@Dagmar> Just gotta turn around and explain to them quietly that what they're doing is douchebaggery and you're in no mood to hear their blater
20:33 <@Dagmar> er blather
20:51 <@Dagmar> Oh!
20:51 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: WTF is with these people... am I mistaken or is the rear tire on these a really bad idea.  http://nashville.en.craigslist.org/mcd/4544822692.html
20:51 <@GateKeeper> Title: 2014 CUSTOM RUCKUS w STRETCHED FRAME clone (at nashville.en.craigslist.org)
20:57 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.en.craigslist.org/mcy/4588864042.html <-- not bad, but 150cc
20:57 <@GateKeeper> Title: 150 cc Scooter Nice (at nashville.en.craigslist.org)
20:57 <@Dagmar> A shame they're not smart enough to mention the make/model
21:26 < aestetix_> ok so
21:26 < aestetix_> in the south people are religious, right?
21:26 < aestetix_> are they also informed religious?
21:26 < aestetix_> In the bay everyone is either non-practicing or atheist, but they are mostly idiots and uninformed
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22:10 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: depends on the area. but generally I think most people are ill informed
22:20 < aestetix_> wilpig_: penis
22:28 < aestetix_> ok the new wierd al song is hilarious
22:28 < aestetix_> "word crimes"
22:33 <@Dagmar> Dude, faith doesn't need knowledge around here.
22:33 <@Dagmar> It barely needs hygiene.
22:33 < aestetix_> I just watched "Blurred LInes"
22:34 < aestetix_> I do not understand it
22:34 < aestetix_> looking at the wikipedia page it seems I am glad I missed the drama here
22:38 <@wilpig_> what wikipedia page?
22:38 < aestetix_> for Blurred lines
22:39 <@wilpig_> it has one?
22:40 < RangerZ> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381502542/robotech-academy i somehow don't think they will make it
22:40 <@GateKeeper> Title: Robotech Academy by Harmony Gold Productions Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
22:40 < RangerZ> firstly... this is the FIRST i'd ever heard of it
22:41 < RangerZ> secondly... Macross story line is so much better than Robotech, lol
22:44 <@wilpig_> aestetix_: just watch and enjoy.  http://www.vevo.com/watch/robin-thicke/blurred-lines-unrated-version/USUV71300526
22:44 <@GateKeeper> Title: Blurred Lines (Unrated Version) - Robin Thicke - Vevo (at www.vevo.com)
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23:06 < RangerZ> aestetix_: good news... the "Cuddly newer version of the human centipede" is coming out, directed and written by Kevin Smith
23:06 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you and NotLarry will enjoy this one too, rate it for yourself... "Tusk" coming out soon, actually
23:13 <@Dagmar> I saw somethign about it being a movie
23:13 <@wilpig_> most everything by kevin smith is good
23:14 <@wilpig_> http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/07/26/heres-the-trailer-for-tusk-kevin-smiths-new-horror-movie/
23:16 <@wilpig_> looks good to me
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23:24 < RangerZ> i'm not a horror fan at all, and it actually looks interesting to me
23:38 <@Dagmar> Let see...
23:43 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN_do0yX1Q8 GO TN... you're #3
23:43 <@GateKeeper> Title: Is Your State On The List Of The Most Corrupt? Find Out! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:58 <@Dagmar> Oh.  The coke fiend show
23:58 <@Dagmar> Mind you this guy did at one time have a local show on channel 5
23:59 <@Dagmar> ...and then he got arrested having a cocaine blowout
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